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- A new study done on the Shroud of Turin has found that the purported burial cloth of Jesus is 2,000 years old rather than several hundred years old. This is scandalous, even for some religious people who want religion to be an abstract thing.
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If the shroud is fake, Christ is still resurrected . If the shroud is real, Christ is still resurrected, just left us a relic
Exactly. Even if the shroud turns out to be fake that doesn't disprove Christianity.
What if our Lord left us miracles to help the weak of faith?
@@bullpup33 The reestablishment of Israel is a much more convincing miracle than the shroud is.
@@FinalLugiaGuardian to each his own. Not everyone has the same level of faith, maturity or way of thinking. Jesus came for everyone.
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Christ is real. I grew up catholic, then gave my soul to the world, and came back to Christ. I know he’s real, I don’t even believe, I know with absolute certainty. It all makes sense.
Christ is real, of course. The shroud is a historic fake. The catholic Church never endorsed it.
I was the same - cradle Catholic, lost interest in the faith, but have come home… yes He is real, praise God. 🙏
Exactly how I describe it. I don’t believe anymore, I know. Catholic as well and went full hedonistic until I had to hurt for Him to draw me back and I ve been met with love
Are you saying you left your Catholic faith because of sin and then returned as a Protestant Christian?
Not trying to be offensive - but I’d like to know if you’ve since given Catholicism a fresh review?
Where does the bible say to institute a papalcy?
The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist.
The second greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was trying to convince the world that Jesus doesn't exist.
Yes, there are even some people who believe that Jesus is not a real person from history (IMO this is just an expression of the ubiquitous Daddy Issues in modern society -- God is the ultimate paternal symbol, as well as Trump being a significant paternal symbol... see the correlation to Trump Derangement Syndrome).
The third greatest trick the Devil pulled was convincing the jews that Christ isn’t their Messiah.
And he used the Pharisees and the Babylonian Talmud to do this.
@@SanctifiedLux42boom
@@SanctifiedLux42 And here the truth reveals itself. Jew hatred just knows no bounds. You stole their God and blame them. Just wow.
The 1st was to convince everyone that this is the face of Jesus, Jesus didnot have the curse of the Adam man... Beard. Long hair, moustache. He was 6 2, 33 1/2 when they killed Him, Joseph claim the body, wrapped Him in cloth, out Him in a cave, not buried, rolled a big stone to cover, it was guarded by a Roman soldier, 3 days later He resurrected Himself. Period... So keep on listening to the lies of satan
The Greatest Man in all of history is Jesus: He had no servants, yet they hailed Him as Master.
He held no degrees, yet they revered Him as Teacher.
He dispensed no medicines, yet they sought Him as Healer.
He commanded no armies, yet kings trembled before Him.
He fought no battles with sword or spear, yet He overcame the world.
He dwelt not in a palace, yet they called Him Lord.
He ruled no earthly nations, yet they crowned Him King.
He committed no sin, yet they nailed Him to a cross.
He was laid in a tomb, yet He rose again and lives forevermore.
and He was God
@@flickiiminajHe IS God
Jesus Christ is Lord!
he was probly jailed at nine with all the other mystics/desenters,,,,,,,,,let out at 30,,,,,,,,,,,caused chaos,,,,,,,,,was killed by religious fanatics,,,,,,,,its still like that
@@billyotoole-o1u Lol...."probably"
The shroud is one of those unsolvable mysteries, like how the pyramids were built and why people keep voting Democrat.
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Agreed 10000%!
I love this!
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True haha but pyramids and the shroud are things that I can understand more than voting democrat ;)
I'm an engineer who has designed thermal imaging cameras for many years and I like to do what I call "stupid IR tricks", one of them I refer to as the "shroud of Turin", I take a piece of foam or fabric and wrap my head in it and then take it off and look at it with the thermal camera - the resulting image looks like the shroud's image. Basically, the heat of my face is transferred to the material and remains there for a few minutes. As you say, sort of like a burst of energy. Now how would a Medieval forger know how a burst of energy would transfer from a person's face? My faith doesn't depend on it being real, but my knowledge of energy transfer suggests to me that it is.
Classic God of the gaps. I don’t know, therefore magic.
Not only how would they know that, but why would the image still remain, if as you said it goes away quickly?
@chadb9270 it's a very specific thing to not know, don't you think.
@@chadb9270atheists do the opposite. They start with the presupposition that God isn't real, and then they ask "how?". You'll never get to the right conclusion if you ignore the only truth.
@@chadb9270a higher scientific intelligence than ours,is that hard to grasp.really
Another fact about the image on the Shroud: the photonegative, which would have had to be created by an extremely powerful light source, is only between 5-20 NANOMETERS thick. Our modern lasers are not able to burn such an image onto a fabric such as linen with such precision.
By all modern science and physics, this thing should not exist, let alone be a medieval forgery.
@@mattbernacki9282 I read that the amount of light and energy required to create the image would have equalled thousands of Hiroshimas, which is an awesome thought.
@@Radxcor83that is nonsense. The power of one small a-bomb would have vaporized the cloth.
@@Pablo-gl9dj if it were atomic power, but I said no such thing. I said the amount of light and energy (which is what was required to imprint the image).
@@Radxcor83 wow. Have you any concept of the flash of light grnerated in an atomic detonation. That is only part of the energy released. And this cloth withstood thousands of Hiroshimas?
@@mattbernacki9282 ok how did we start to break science here..
The leading Shroud of Turin expert in the world, Barrie Schwortz, passed away recently. I had the privilege of interviewing him for an hour, two years ago when I was a senior in high school. He wasn’t even a Christian, but was convinced purely on the evidence the shroud is authentic.
Really? Do you have that interview to watch, listen, or read too?
@@LU6TIE Not a chance in hell.
@@juggy-ik7qyJust because you've never done anything interesting with your life doesn't mean others haven't.
@@LU6TIE There are several videos on RUclips that feature Barrie Schwortz discussing the Shroud. A quick search will bring up several options for you. 🙂
@juggy-ik7qy If you're interested, you'll find several videos of Barrie Schwortz discussing the Shroud on RUclips.
I am Russian Orthodox. One priest once told me that Lord is closer to us than our carotid artery. And there is a well-known Orthodox saint Seraphim of Sarov who lived in the 18th century, and who greeted everyone who came to see him with the words: "Christ is Risen, my joy!”
Fellow Orthodox (catechumen still). God Bless, brother.
God bless ☦️
Christ is king!
Christ is in our midst! Do you think the Shroud of Turin might just be the Image of Edessa?
Viva Cristo Rey!
Jesus walked this earth
Lived a sinless life
Died for our sins
And rose on the 3rd day
He is God
He is the messiah
He is my lord savior and God
All praise and glory to the living God Jesus Christ
Christ is King
Jesus is the way the truth and the Life
Follow him and No one else
I concur ✔
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Glory to God
Muslims and Buddhism admit it.
@@MONTALVO-rf6so Satan isn’t a “nice guy”, but pop off I guess.
The good thing about Christianity is that it doesn’t need relics to defend it. It’s the only religion that logically makes sense.
That's what everyone says about their own religion. And all of you are wrong.
@@run4walk ahhh yes there he is, the tiktok atheist
@@run4walkwhat part of the Bible doesn’t make sense to you?
@@run4walk well, if you’re right, you’ll never know. Have fun with that…
Internally and holistically cohesive is what you're getting after. No other religious text is. Critics, like our friend above, have never studied the Word, and it is apparent in their attitude toward Christianity. Remember, the Bible is sharper than any two edged sword, capable of separating bone from marrow. There is no need to cast your pearls to the swine. If he wants to actually learn, he can study for himself.
*Larry Burkett's book on "Giving and Tithing" drew me closer to God and helped my spirituality. 2020 was a year I literally lived it. I cashed in my life savings and gave it all away. My total giving amounted to 40,000 dollars. Everyone thought I was delusional. Today, 1 receive 85,000 dollars every two months. I have a property in Calabasas, CA, and travel a lot. God has promoted me more than once and opened doors for me to live beyond my dreams. God kept to his promises to and for me*
There's wonder working power in following Kingdom principles on giving and tithing. Hallelujah!
But then, how do you get all that in that period of time? What is it you do please, mind sharing?
It is the digital market. That's been the secret to this wealth transfer. A lot of folks in the US and abroad are getting so much from it, God has been good to my household Thank you Jesus
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How can I start this digital market, any guidelines and how can I reach out to her?
Whether or not the shroud is what some claim it to be, Jesus Christ, the Son of God, came, lived a perfect life, died on the cross for our sins, and rose again three days later.
Amen!
Amen!
Amen
Except the story is fiction.
Amen
One of the past studies showed that the shroud had signs that it was hit with massive blasts of UV light and they can’t even figure out what could possibly replicate this in the natural world. It’s truly a unique relic.
Source?
@@thepyramidschemepodcast The 1978 STURP investigation, and later the John Jackson and Paolo DiLazzaro investigations
Was on the Discovery channel I believe! I saw that too.
We can do something similar with modern tech but nothing we do comes out as detailed as the shroud
You romanists really love your relics. You all will be praying to it soon.
“Blessed be he who believes without seeing”
Amem. 💜🙌🤲✝️🥳
😂❤blessed are those who buy our garbage cursed are those who don't right? How do you not understand the psychology at work here?
It just got REAL.
Christ might be real but the fact remains only The Buddha can save your sould from this new age middle eastern hippie who was christ
@@dirkjensen969I’d agree if looking from an atheist viewpoint. If you read the bible tho you’ll see the truth and why you can believe without seeing. If you have any questions please do ask 👍🏻
Jesus saved me!! I’m now a proud Christian!
Saved you from what?
Pride is a sin sister
Be Catholic
@@antikytheramechanism7909Sin. We cannot pay for sin ourselves. That is why Jesus Christ came here and died on the cross. Those who believe in his finished work and that our sins are washed away from us through the blood payment of Christ are granted eternal life. God Bless
@@TimeIllusions7why not?
I was saved only months ago and my life has taken a complete turn since then. Thank Christ
Amen, and good luck to you!!!
Delusional. Lost in fantasy.
@@nadaproblem3023why lost in fantasy? You have a lot of hurt 😞. is it a coincidence that you have over 60,000 miles of blood vessels and somehow that just randomly came from chance? We are made in the image of God. I pray that you turn to Jesus and let him take your pain and hurt away ❤️ you’re very prideful in your ways. I was too…. I drank, I smoked, i had sex. thinking that all that was the answer. It’s not, it leads down a destructive path.
we are not saved until God judges us, this is a very dangerous and prideful mentality
Congratulations welcome to the family!
“Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.”
Hebrews 11:1
Faith is the substance of things hope for and the evidence of things not yet seen.
Now go read the kjb.
faith is believing in things that you are not sure of.
@@Stp-n-r Incorrect
"Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks." - Psalm 137:9
"Then Judah said to Onan, 'Sleep with your brother's wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to raise up offspring for your brother.' But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother's wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the Lord's sight; so the Lord put him to death also." - Genesis 38:8-10
The image on the Shroud is also anatomically perfect. If you know anything about art from the 1300s, you know that they often get the proportions very wrong when depicting human figures. However, the image on the Shroud is PERFECT, and it is a photonegative.
It's perfect because they were drawing a picture of Jacques DeMolay!!!
@@Secondrunnerup613they???
It contains 3 D information
@elijahmccormick3360 whoever manufacturered it n
@edwinmalachy no it doesn't. It's a flat image, picture like which would never happen on a piece of cloth over someone’s face.
Besides Jews didn't use 1 piece of cloth over the whole body. The head was covered by a distinct separate piece of material only. The body and head were covered separately. What the shroud shows is European burial. Not Jewish. It's a fraud
A million dollars was offered to anyone who could replicate the shroud using medieval technology let alone 1st century technology….money is still unclaimed….nor will it ever be claimed!! Praise Jesus !!
BREAKING: Scientists find out thing that we’ve known for centuries
Breaking: the tragedy of your ignorance will haunt you until you cast off the shackles of un wisdom bound upon you by those who rule above.
Breaking: You finally got a single credible person to almost agree with you!
@@smolpener7430Tell me something. How do you explain the phenomenon of that negative photo. Me personally, I don't care about this. But please explain that.
Scientists baffled as that thing humans have known intuitively for thousands of years is actually true ! The hubris of modern men to think we are more intelligent than our ancestors.
@grantgazi4864 I'd rather have the heart of a child than succumb to what you call "wisdom" which actually isn't wisdom at all. If you were wise you'd know no one could create images like that even in the 14th century.
Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.
Amen brother
Amen, here too.
Go to Catholic Church
Read the Bible, then you'll know if you should go to a Catholic Church.
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There are multiple studies why the Shroud is from Antiquity from the Middle East. It even has pollen granulates from spring flowers from Judea.
Absolutely...it is REAL.
THat doesn't date it. That simply suggests it came from that region
@christophertaylor9100 it's dated to have been made approximately 2,000 years ago.
Metatron has a great video on the Shroud of Turin including fairly addressing counter-arguments. The history and evidence of the Shroud (even though it of course isn't 100% conclusive) is creepily and eerily compelling just like a lot of the history and evidence for Christianity....and I love it:)
@@christophertaylor9100 One of those plants went extinct in the 800s so it definitely rules out the medievel forgery hypothesis.
the science is settled. I've followed this from my teens. It IS Jesus, and He left us the Shroud for the atheists and sceptics.
@@DrippyVonBlippy That makes no sense at all. You must be an atheist to make a dumb post like that. 🤦♂
What I have learned from my time as a follower of Christ is atheists generally do not care about evidence. They claim to care, but when you bring up things such as Eucharistic miracles or the Shroud, their brains shut off, and they don't want to talk about it anymore. The evidence is there. It is up to God to change their hearts. All we can do is pray for their eternal salvation.
Faith is belief without evidence
My son is an agnostic. Any time I witnessed, even barely, he would cut me off and say he doesn't know. I could feel him pushing me away. I prayed and prayed. I don't know if this was my idea or God's but I decided to leave him alone. But - as his mama I can't "leave it at that" and I knew I would have difficulty not witnessing to him. He loves to read, so I got him several books - 3 for skeptics, the book "More than a Carpenter", one on finding God in the modern world, and I threw in a book about where is God in pain and suffering. I called him and asked him to come over. I gave him the books and said I will not preach at you anymore but I am giving you these in case you ever get curious, and I am always here if you want to discuss it. " He laughed. That is when I told him "As your mama and a Christian I cannot bear the thought of watching you be thrown into the lake of fire. I figured if you wouldn't believe me, maybe one of the authors could at least get him wondering. He looked at the books, saying he probably wouldn't read them, but by the end of the visit he had picked up Timothy Keller's book "The Reason for God" addressed to skeptics, looked through it and said, yeah I'll check this out. Brought hope to this mama who agonizes over his salvation.
Generally I imagine people who leave comments like this probably struggle to be convincing presenters. Either way, the best way to spread the word of Christ is to embody his love.
Also Marx was rad and a lot of the things you would think to recite in the process of rebuking me was stuff conjured up by rich people to prevent the poors from realizing they were in a class war. That stuff was then woven into the fabric of the American education system.
The shroud of turin had already been proven to be a fake. Not just that, all the shroud would prove is that someone was wrapped in it and not that it was wrapped around Jesus.
@@drawntoview "Now faith is the substance of things to be hoped for, the evidence of things that appear not."
[Hebrews 11:1]
According to St. Paul, Faith is based on evidence, but on things that do not appear to us; they are of a spiritual nature, such as charity, justice, the goodness and existence of God, etc.
A good analogy is this: a man lives behind a dark, opaque curtain. No one has ever seen him, but all who pass by can hear him speak. What he speaks all can hear and understand, and so they are able to know him, despite never seeing him. The man behind the curtain is God, and the people passing by are us. That is what it is to have Faith; to believe what God has revealed on the authority of God revealing, despite not ever seeing Him.
I dont need physical proof to know that Christ is King. I know it in my soul. Praise the Lord!
You know it because your parents told you
@@shrekisthebest707 Nope.
@@emptyarthaus9535 "Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks." - Psalm 137:9
"Then Judah said to Onan, 'Sleep with your brother's wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to raise up offspring for your brother.' But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother's wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the Lord's sight; so the Lord put him to death also." - Genesis 38:8-10
Why do you believe in this rubbish?
You can use this “logic” to justify belief in anything.
@@shrekisthebest707 Go away troll. I'm not interested in arguing with you. It's boring and fruitless.
Christianity just makes sense. It really makes sense when you become a parent.
Especially Deuteronomy 20 and 21
Just remember the authentic austere deadly serious Scriptural Jesus the Christ taught "The Way" not "Christianity" _[Catholicism teaches the latter not Jesus, nor did Jesus tell you to call yourself a little god/"Christian", but disciples etc.]_
Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
Get on the John 3:1-21 Ark by the roads of Mark 1:15, 16:16, Luke 13:1-5, 24:47, Matthew 18:1-3, John 1:12, Acts 2:38, Romans 6:1-23, 10:9, Galatians 1:7-9, 1Corinthians 3:18-23 and parallel verses before it is too late - this day, because the door is closing and most will not escape the coming inescapable global flood of fire storm but a remnant and most so called true disciples of the authentic austere Scriptural Jesus the Christ _[God]_ clearly for now are exactly who the true Jesus referred to in Matthew 7:21-23 and parallel verses if you are not truly part of the John 3:1-21 qualified remnant. Selah.
Delusional
@@WhoWellOksecular spotted
The Roman’s called us atheists.
🔥 He will return soon. This time with fire, NOT water. Praise be to Jesus!
Yeah he is goind to destroy the whole earth, yay . . . er . . .
He will never come as he isn't real. An all loving God would not have created hell and allow his creations to eternally suffer for simply not believing. Narcissistic and terrible God he is. Disgusting.
I’m an Orthodox Christian and this is all very exciting
Άγιος ο θεός, Άγιος ισχυρός, Άγιος αθάνατος, ελέησον ημάς.
@@cinemint yiasou vree… although I don’t want to upset anyone with making Greek as an overwhelming identity of the Orthodox Church.
@@andreaschristakos76 Its not. Im a Scots-German going to an Orthodox parish that is 70% Syrian, Lebanese, & Palestinian.
there is ONLY Christian and non-Christian
@@primuspilushbOrthodox or oriental parish?
Please, Michael, do some more of this kind of podcasts where you talk about our Lord. It's so refreshing, it invigorates my whole being and I feel like a cleansing is going through it, as well as a renewal that makes me lighter and just makes me feel great. Thank you so much for addressing this beautiful subject. :)💙
agreed! i noticed he gets more views on videos about faith too
The most suspicious thing about the Shroud is that its detractors have never wanted to study it closely, even though as a forgery from the Middle Ages it would be among the most spectacular historic artifacts ever, with huge new insights into the capabilities of Medieval people.
It is not a forgery,No forger could be so detailed , down to the exact amount of flagrum lashes and the correct nail placement.The blood flow down the arms too coincides with a crucified man. The patch they tested, in the 70's was from a medieval repair.
I understand what you are saying. I always thought that. I know it is real but even if forgery it is amazing.
@@averageguy2525 OP is not saying that the Shroud is a forgery, they are saying that it's suspicious that detractors, despite _believing_ it's a forgery from the Middle Ages, do not want to study it even though _any_ relic from the Middle Ages, forgery or not, would be historical spectacle. I looked into it though and apparently this cloth has undergone hundreds of thousands of hours of analysis by detractors and supporters alike, (though most seem to be supporters) so OP appears to be at least a little wrong.
I truly believe that The Shroud is the image of Christ because it would be too much of a coincidence for a cloth discovered in the 14th century, which was identified by 14th century scholars as the burial cloth of Christ, to date to the 1st century with modern techniques, however, as far as the evidence you mentioned is concerned, we can't get the "exact amount of flagrum lashes" from a photo negative of the front of someone because during a Roman Scourge, the victim is usually lashed on the back, not the front, also, even if we can definitively prove that this is the burial cloth of a crucified man, that doesn't narrow down _which_ crucified man this was the burial cloth of because more than 100K people were crucified in a similar manner as Christ, so hypothetically, if someone other than Christ were to be crucified and a burial cloth laid over him, the cloth would look like The Shroud and we'd still be having this conversation, none the wiser that this was the image of some other crucified man.
What rock do you live under?
Who’s says that this hasn’t been studied in depth? Especially concerning the so-called detractors?
People will fabricate the craziest ideas on the internet.
The Bible references that Lord Jesus' head cloth was separate from the body cloth (see resurrection story)
Michael, as a fellow Catholic I also find myself stereotypically mesmerized by these relics of salvation! You talking about the faith is you at your best.
I am a Catholic and Jesus is The King of Kings
I am Orthodox and I agree that Jesus is indeed the King of Kings.
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@@Misitheus God Bless You
@@Misitheus Rejecting your Messiah. Repent before its too late
@@MisitheusSaint St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle, be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him we humbly pray; and do thou, O Prince of the Heavenly host, by the power of God, cast into hell Satan and all the evil spirits who prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls.
Amen.
I had a vision of Jesus christ. I prayed I believe in God because of the very existence of creation, I believe in the holy spirit because even though you can't see the wind, you can see it's effect as it moves the leaves on the trees but I asked God if had sent Jesus Christ to die for our sins and this dark tall man sat next to me on a bus. He walked with authority yet humbly, he said thankyou and nodded his head. His voice was powerful yet gentle. The clouds stood still in front of the sun for 20 minutes. My heart for the first time felt at home, I felt like he was my husband and I knew him. I all of a sudden smelt something I can only describe as sweet smelling incense. I could not look at his face as i sat and saw his hands and wrists which were had many scars and big round scars around his hand and wrist area. As I got off the bus he disappeared. As I walked home something in my mind said, that was Jesus. When I got home I looked on the Internet to see if anyone else had the experience and i looked up the face of Jesus, I saw the shroud of turin and it was the same man that was on the bus. It was Jesus Christ. He's alive halalujah. But blessed are those who believe without seeing 🙏
Welcome home! Your experience also reminds me of the miracle of the sun at Fatima. I would really suggest reading into it! God bless ❤
My husband met Jesus and he couldn’t see his face! I’m always so in awe when I hear others have the same experience.
Just like the trans debate. We need to follow the science. Cosmology and evolutionary biology is the way to go. No special pleading
Jesus came to me in a dream one time. In my dream I was crying because of an injury that happened a while back that left me disabled. So I was crying & this man came up to me and said, "You're probably crying because of your injury, huh?" We chatted for a minute and at the end he said something like if you ever have any trouble, you can always come talk to me. And I just felt so safe and comfortable with him.
What an awesome experience the peace of Christ is amazing!
During my conversion to Catholicism, I watched a documentary on the shroud of Turin and there’s so much information it gives to the intense severity of presumably Jesus’s passion which just made my appreciation for what Jesus endured for us, all the greater!!
You should avoid catholicism though. They have lots or false teachings sadly
@@xKiLLzZx1 I’m sorry you feel that way. God Bless!
The catholic church are just jews pretending to be Christians though
@@xKiLLzZx1no, they don’t.
@@xKiLLzZx1you are correct. They are a false cult.
I didn’t know what the shroud of Turin was. I had a dream of a man that had the same exact face. I came across that picture last night and it’s the same exact face. This man was glowing in my dream. His hair white like snow. His eyes were fierce
The hair of His head was white like wool, as white as snow, and His eyes were like a blazing fire. His feet were like polished bronze refined in a furnace, and His voice was like the roar of many waters. Rev 1:14-15
Thats is Jesus Christ, he is calling to you, in revelation thats how he is deacribed.
It's Jesus the Messiah calling out to you sir! He's got a purpose for you
Actually, back in 2008, an Italian team spent five years using the world’s most powerful eximer laser, and could not reproduce the image on a square inch of fabric. They estimate it would take a pulse lasting one *forty billionth* of a second of uv radiation on the order of several billion watts of power. Clearly, obviously supernatural. Cannot be done by modern man. Probably the single most amazing part of the shroud. It broke the carbon bonds of the top layer of the fibrals, turning them into double-bonds.
Journal Article: “Coloring linens with excimer lasers to simulate the body image of the Turin Shroud”
Giuseppe Baldacchini, Paolo Di Lazzaro, Daniele Murra, and Giulio Fanti
Yep. This would explain why the shroud is in such good condition as well. When God rose, He changed the molecular makeup to make it more resilient to degradation forces and fire so it would be preserved.
Why would there be any light? Was there light when Lazurus was raised?
"Blessed are those who have not seen..." Seems this "shroud" would contradict such a statement.
@@bogusphone8000 Lazerus didn't bodily ascend into Heaven. Jesus did. Lazarus was simply brought back to life. Very big difference there. Whatever light shown was because of whatever energy was necessary to take His body into the spiritual realm. Indeed the physical evidence on the Shroud supports this. The experts have stated that the only way that an imprint like that could've been left is if as this energy reaction was occurring the body had to lift up off the ground and pass THROUGH the cloth in an upward manner.
I think you need to read your scripture more carefully blessed are those who have believed and not seen but there is no rebuke for those who see and then believe. The important part is that you believe.
@@ninja3687 The ascension was much later on the mountain. The body stayed in the cold grave until the third day.
Scripture does record that the burial linens were left there in a folded state. Did Christ pass through them. Possibly.
Agreed, faith is the core component, but outside of the Apostles and their contemporaries, who else has seen?
Also, why do none of the eyewitnesses say anything about the shroud except that it was laying in the tomb? Why wouldn't the contemporaries say anything about how it was marked and that they put it somewhere for safe keeping?
@@bogusphone8000 these questions are answered in the Lila Rose podcasts as well as the Pints episode.
"If only I'd known that the bible wasn't just a book of fairytales, I'd have lived my life better."
It's never too late
It's never too late to start now that you know the love of Jesus! Don't look in the rearview mirror, you're not going that way! Hugs!
The Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard.
wouldn't have matter. no one gets eternal life for living a better life.
When there are literal things that happened in history that match what the Bible says 🤔🤔
If you're going to discuss the shroud of Turin you can't forget to include the most important part, which is the fact that the image was projected by what archaeologists and scientists have said is nothing short of a blast of light from the Sun to project a negative of that image on the cloth, which is impossible to reproduce other than it being a divine act from God.
Clearly the image was projected onto the shroud when Jesus Christ resurrected from the dead.
I don’t know how something happened, therefore magic. Got it….. 😂😂😂
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@bullish3584
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No scientific basis for my theory, but I believe the shroud created his photo negative at the moment of resurrection. Jesus is King.
@RemnantDiscipleLazzaro-Rev1217
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It is not your theory, you heard it it before and seemingly might not remember you have, because some years ago, i watched a documentary or few about the shroud with the latest findings at that time, and i recall it was either in those documentaries or perhaps a excerpt of those documentaries where one or two Bible believing scientists were speculating to the effect that when Jesus entered back into His earthly flesh body, there could have been a flash of His light that transformed the body into the glorified body that He was in after resurrecting, the same body that the Apostles witnessed etc, which therefore might explain the shroud's image.
Amen!
Correction: "...nothing short of a blast of light from the SON to project a negative of that image on the cloth..."
@@chadb9270 Right... Well do you have a better explanation for how something like that could have happened 2000 years ago, when we would struggle to do it today? Also we have no other evidence of this happening to a different burial shroud do we? So it seems to be a one off, and it seems to be something people couldnt do back then... Sooo either we have some extremely rare event that happens to coincide with when Jesus lived, OR it could be evidence for the resurrection. I think that the simple answer is that it is evidence for an event that quite a few people wrote about (the resurrection), rather than some unknown, extremely rare, event that just so happened to take place in the same general place and at the same general time as the resurrection....
Hi Michael from a Canadian grandma Christian...around 1979 l bought my first book on The Shroud of Turin. It dealt with the travels of the Shroud through the Centuries. People hid it and people moved it. It's a miracle in itself it survived. The DNA debacle was from cloth of a repaired area. Later the Church of Rome allowed another test and that showed from the First Century or so. I have a few books and DVDS now and there are many RUclips videos on it. The Shroud is also an Xray and a Hologram. The "Man of the Shroud" has 24 teeth!! There are great erudite European scholars of thread, stitching, cloth and weaves, rocks, seeds, pollen and comparison to other ancient shrouds. The blood stains are plentiful on the Shroud and are blood, and it is type AB. NOW dear Michael, there is a cloth in Spain, called the Suderium (sweat cloth) of Oviedo and the blood stains are AB on it and match the stains and blood type of the Shroud. It is said St. Peter took it Spain. It's wonderful...go down the Rabbit hole!! Blessings ❤❤
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Thank you for this lore , very intriguing
"My Lord and my God" - The Apostle Thomas
Amen to that.
Thomas wasn’t calling Jesus, ‘God’. There is only one God, the Father alone, which was affirmed by Christ and the apostles.
@@HighCarbDiabeticV"And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. "
What Bible are you reading? 😂
@@hz3917 Jesus isn’t God. Jesus himself said the only true God is the Father. The apostles affirmed the only true God is the Father. Christ states in Mark the most important commandment of all, the Shema, affirming belief in only one God, Yahweh of the OT. As the Messiah, Jesus is God’s representative on earth. If the father is God and if Jesus is a God, then you have two Gods, you’ve violated the entirety of Scripture.
@@HighCarbDiabeticV VADE RETRO SATANA! Begone Heretic! Your lies and filth are bringing souls to Hell.
No scientific basis for my theory, but I believe the shroud created his photo negative at the moment of resurrection. Jesus is King.
Yes, Jesus is the light of the world.
Yup cuz there was so much energy released before he went to heaven it left an imprint
That’s actually the working theory, it required a ton of energy to create the impression.
“So what’s your scientific basis for this theory?”
- Every atheist after reading this comment.
That’s exactlyyyy how it happened. I have no doubt.
If there’s anything I learned about people is that they can have evidence right in front of their eyes and still remain unconvinced or skeptical
For some people its not a problem of evidence, but their pressupositions.
Evidence of what ? I know that the Earth is a sphere. I can demonstrate it.
But you cannot prove that dead people resurrect. End of the fairy tale.
You can believe in God, but there is no evidence of it, and there never will.
I think it's great that people remain skeptical. So long as they seek the truth, they find Jesus one way or another.
As St Thomas Aquinas said, for those with Faith no explanation is needed, for those without no explanation is possible.
I forget who said it, but one of those famous atheists admitted that if the stars were aligned to say “I am God, and I am real,” they would assume it was either a mental episode or alien technology.
I don't need the shroud to believe in Jesus.
Why do you confuse faith with an artifact of tremendous historic, cultural and scientific value? I don't get people who have to explain that their faith is independent of evidence. Next you are going to tell us that water is wet.
Comments like yours always read like a weak-minded attempt to belittle the shroud and the fascination some have for it, while simultaneously exposing some internal fear or doubt you haven't come to terms with.
@@Rollin_L 👁👄👁
The pints with Aquinas talk on this is life changing
No piece of content has ever strengthened my faith more than that podcast. It’s amazing!
Yes, amazing. One of Matt Fradd's best guests! So convincing.
I saw that one. The first really good one was "The Shroud of Turin 2014 update" - by Dr. Wayne.
You can still find it on RUclips. Life Changing indeed.
@@Jkbawlingsthat talk made me weep. My faith was secured and the overwhelming love I felt from Christ while watching that was so powerful
Amen.
"And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music."
All will be on their knees when HE returns. Either through fear or awe. Hosanna, Hosanna. Blessed is he who enters in the name of the Lord.
love that quote!
My grandma used to have that quote framed on her wall.
Wow!! What a beautiful way to put it . . Thanks for the quote 🙏🏼
People will still reject this, even if proven true. The problem is in the heart, not in the mind.
Jesus couldn't even convert everyone. He showed them miracles and they killed Him for it. He rose from the dead and they killed His people. Those that love God and seek to please God will find God. Those that have ill will may fool their "friends" and people online but God will eventually separate the chaff from the wheat.
@@enchantedhero3847 you guys 👦 literally ignore all evidence your beliefs are fake
@divan_dt if you blindly believe you're better than people who don't trust us-
The psychology is blatant and you completely fall for it. That's why we don't respect believers. Their faith is based on psychological manipulation of toddler minds.
@@divan_dt blindly believing is good 👍 lol
@divan_dt blind belief is goooood lolol
I don't necessarily WANT to live as a Christian. I was dragged kicking and screaming to God's feet. After years and years of fighting it I must confess on a secular level the teachings of the Bible will make for a better happier person, on a spiritual level I cannot deny the existence of God and the son of man.
I actually met one of the guys who helped photograph the shroud. He lives here in Colorado way up in the mountains. My husband and I went to his house for a chat, and I tell ya..... it certainly is all real. He showed us all their findings and it really blew my mind! There is a whole website dedicated to the Holy Shroud with lots of information and photos.
If people decide to reject Christ in this life, It wasn't because they didn't have evidence.
No. We are saved by grace though belief in Jesus. The Bible says that the evidence for God is everywhere - Pslam 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; And the firmament shows His handiwork. (The firmanent is the stars etc). I think it would be more difficult to believe He doesn't exist. I don't understand how people really think, with the intricate detail of the universe, our bodies and how they work, that there is no God? I don't need that proof, I am saved, I put my hope and trust in Him.
It was because they didn't want evidences. They worshipped themselves rather than God.
Because of a piece of cloth? You guys are legit the most gullible people on the planet.
No wonder you've let America fall to liberal degeneracy.
@@Kepi_Keii agree the universe is too intricate to be random. Explain how that gives any indication there was a man named Jesus that rose from the dead and was an actual god? To go from one point to the next takes an astronomical level of mental gymnastics
@@MystoRobotI'm going to assume your IQ isn't actually low enough to assume people that reject the jesus claims automatically reject the idea of god (for those of us that aren't brainwashed, the idea of god is not married to the man called Jesus, so in order to engage here, you have to have the intellectual integrity to admit this).
I don’t think that 13th century men knew how reverse radiation works 😂
They did! How else did they ferry the rocks for Stonehenge, the pyramids, nanmadol and many more places 😂😂😂
@@GloryTouch5 rocks vs digging deep into the earth and starting nuclear fission into a human body. One uses rollers. One uses what they’ve found to be UV light. You tell me how to make a human body glow so bright that it burns an image into linen. Please how did one 2000 years ago do this let alone today.
You dont even know how they built the pyramids calm down.
@@GloryTouch5 I thought you say furry made the Stonehenge pyramids nanmadol. You mean ferry....
@@mrwayne5158 slaves?
Please stop ignoring the FACT that the carbon dating that showed an age of about 700 years, was the date of a PATCH, made of cotton. The shroud is made of linen, not cotton. They dated a patch, not the shroud.
I believe in the Shroud of Turin. They had tested threads from the edges where medieval nuns had repaired/darned some of the unraveling threads. Event horizon.
Threads from multiple locations was examined. Friend of my Dad was on panel. Dated to Templars.
@@LordDustinDeWynd Inaccurate. The original plan was to take samples from three or four different places. However, the Church got cold feet last minute and changed their minds, allowing scientists to take samples from only ONE place on the Shroud. And that place just so happened to be where medieval nuns had done a patchwork job after the Shroud had been damaged in a fire. This is all documented.
@@RollTide1987 I will believe eyewitness live sooner than RUclips "expert".
It's completely no possible because we know that there were 2 different cloth wraps that were wrapped around Him.
John 20:7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.
@@LordDustinDeWynd you lie like your father the devil
My first reaction on reading this: So… they’ve discovered what we’ve known all along … it’s Jesus’ shroud.
Not true.
The notion that religion might not be an abstract concept but a tangible reality is a refreshing perspective. This has deepened my understanding and made me question the narratives I've been familiar with.
Important! They probably took a sample from the edge, which is cloth that was indeed form the middle ages, from when it was burned and repaired.
🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@frontenac5083 The priests who care for the shroud admitted that they only allowed samples to be taken from where the cloth was regularly handled, not any “pristine” areas. These are the same spots that would have required more upkeep from said handling, as well as being the most likely to have burned and replaced, therefore less likely to be original.
@@frontenac5083 The Shroud Is Regularly Confirmed, the ONE study you heard about was confirmed dishonest immediately after you and your media GRIPPED onto it.
@@Wyrnikh the fake study in the 80's was purposely done on a patched area. The Shroud Is Confirmed in studies every 2 years or so.
That's exactly what happened, they only did carbon dating on the corners of the shroud, but the corners of the shroud had been repaired by nuns in the 1600s (the corners were damaged by improper handling over the centuries).
The nuns had a technique called invisible French weave where they could weave new linen fibres together with the old to repair cloth without creating a seam. The samples taken for carbon dating thus had a mixture of material from the first century and the 17th century.
The scientists publicized their results that appeared to show that the cloth was from the 1300s, but they were rather quiet about the fact that the error on that value was unreasonably high (when you take an average of samples from 1650 AD and samples from 33 AD you might get an average in the 1300s but with a huge statistical error). Some of those fellows went on to propel their careers as one of "the great skeptical scientists that disproved the Shroud of Turin."
I absolutely believe this is irrefutable evidence of the moment of Christ’s resurrection.
If that were true, the body would not show bloody, puncture marks ect. Jesus body would be healed and whole again.
Have you not read the bible? Jesus clearly has wounds after his resurrection and allows Thomas to touch them
@@debbiependleton8507 Where in the bible does it say that?
You believe that Jesus resurrected because it's written in the bible, which was written afterwards by believers. Wow. You can't get more stupid than that.
No one wants to be the last kid in class that believes in Santa Claus
I’m Protestant and I love Jesus ❤✝️
By definition, a "protestant" is a follower of Jesus. If you didn't love Jesus, you wouldn't be protestant. Just an observation.
@@daffidavit I know it’s just most people here are catholic.
@daffidavit well he could, he just might be a methodist, lol
@@daffidavitChristian means a follower of Christ, so being a protestant doesnt rlly mean that its right
Anyone that believes the KJVBible is a Protestant. The word is a handle given by the Catholic church.
Just to give a few more pivotal facts. The carbon dating test was faulty to begin with as they only took one sample to test rather than the 6 test samples from top to bottom which was apart of the carbon testing protocols. What's important about the shroud of Turin too is it's on a layer heigh of 4 microns, it contains 3D data on a single layer meaning that if it was a painting over the fabric whilst someone was wrapped in it there would be perspective distortion but given its on a single layer some scientists argued that the shroud lowered into the body as it disappeared within something of a one-millionth of a second, this is also due to the fact that it has x-ray data showing the teeth, bones and nails. It also has signs of bilirubin (chemical released under extreme pain that causes blood to stay red when it dries). Rock pigment and flora samples picked up on the shroud are only exclusive to that area of jerusalem one being a thorned bush where it's leaves essentially was like a cap of thorns. It also has I think it was AB+ blood type (which also correlates to every approved eucharistic miracles where the blood has been tested), there's also a wound between the ribs where the spear was thrust and they can confirm the angle of penetration. one last fact, over the eyes and it's imprinted on the shroud was minted coins of Pontius Pilate that were in circulation during the time period of the crucifixion. I've listened to a lot of talks on it and read the info from the original STURP investigation from the 70's.
Does it even matter? If one has accepted Christ as their lord and savior, the shroud’s authenticity changes nothing. If one doesn’t believe in Christ, they will constantly question the study.
It's for this reason I believe only Jesus has the power to truly enlighten someone. All we can do as God's children is set our brothers and sisters on the right path towards humbling themselves into having that conversation.
Our Faith in the Resurrection is not dependent on the Shroud, but the Shroud has been given as a gift to us to confirm it in physical ways.
Yes it matters.
@@lindaphillips4646 I don’t think so. We aren’t supposed to need material proof of Jesus’s existence. We are supposed to have faith. In our hearts, minds, and souls. If there is physical proof, cool but not necessary.
@@Wake-the-WokeThese signs, these miracles, are necessary for the ones who don't believe yet. God calls for His children, but for some who are more like Thomas the apostle, they need these signs to get to know and follow Christ 🕊🌹🙏 God bless you
I can't really criticize the skeptics because I was one of them, but after just a bit of studying the Shroud, I was amazed and captivated. It holds a truly fascinating and inherently inexplicable Phenomenon.
And the Mormons have gold tablets from god. Making joesph Smith the one true prophet. How can we tell which relic is real???
Jesus looked a lot like Woody Allen, but shorter, along with everyone in those times. The shroud looks like a Slavic man.
It’s 100% real and it’s His burial cloth. It amazes me that people have so little faith that even all the evidence of the Shroud, they still are skeptics. So sad, it’s as if people don’t want it to be real. Praise to You Lord Jesus Christ
John 19: 38 - 41 suggests otherwise.
King of endless glory.
@johnreynoldsjr4157 well, putting his body between 2 sides of a very long strip would also be allowed by those verses..
The very fact that the women wanted to go to the tomb to finish the job of preparing His Body for burial would indicate that the first laying of His Body in the tomb had had to be hurried since the Sabbath, the High Sabbath, was approaching.
It's a lie. The Bible contradicts it in John 20:6-7 "Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie, And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself. "
What was wrapped around His head was separate from what was wrapped around His body.
@@jasonshere The Shroud is more real than you are! The evidence is overwhelming and your head is in the sand.
Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
I was an atheist only 6 years ago and things like the Shroud (signs and wonders) brought me to Christ.
God bless 🕊🌹🙏
Wonderful! Miracles are **SIGNS** that point us to the love and teachings of God - our loving, merciful Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost.
Can you elaborated ❤❤
I'm an atheist now because I've never met a religious person who didn't just want to touch children, and lord their wealth over others.
I once argued with one of your ilk over their belief that they had the divine right to punish their own child... after he struck an infant for crying.
@@smolpener7430 How awful (re: the infant who was struck)! I pray daily for all children, especially those who are abused.
I don't think most Catholics are more horrible than secular people or atheists, however. Think of Catholicism like sheet music. Jesus gave us the right notes to play on the most perfect sheet music. It's up to us to tune our instruments and practice daily so that we can play the music well. Some of us are just starting out, some of us don't practice faithfully, some of us have farther to go than others.
Don't judge Christians by the worst of us (as we would try not to judge other worldviews by their worst examples). Judge us by Christ Himself... and the saints, who took their faith seriously, prayed for help, and became holy. Read stories about the saints and I hope you will be inspired! :) They found something, or more correctly Someone, Who is so full of truth, goodness, beauty, sweetness, mercy, and love, that He is worth giving up all the pleasures in the world for! Two quotes from Saint Augustine of Hippo (North Africa):
"Late have I love you, O beauty so ancient yet ever new! Late
have I loved you! Behold, you were within and I was out abroad,
searching there for you. Deformed, I plunged into the fair forms
that you had made. You were with me, but I was not with you. I
was held back far from you by things, which would not themselves
be if they were not in you. You called, you shouted, and you burst
open my deafness. You flashed, you shone in radiance, and you
drove away my blindness. You breathed forth your fragrance, and I
drew my breath and sighed for you. I tasted, and now I hunger and
thirst. You touched me, and I burned for your peace."
“Thou hast made us for thyself, O Lord, and our heart is restless until it finds its rest in thee.”
May God bless and guide you and your loved ones.
Yup - this has been a miracle in plain sight for many years … great to see Michael discover it now!
Even with the dubious 1988 study, I’ve always said that the Shroud of Turin was the single greatest piece of physical evidence of Jesus’s resurrection, and now, there is absolutely no way to deny it.
If accused of being real, it would not be convicted in a court of law. There is ample reasonable doubt. Even if it was from the first century and even if it could be proved that it was from a crucifixion; that was a common practice of the day. You believe it is real because you want to or because you need to.
@@Flintlock1776Laughably silly. You clearly have good reason to not want it to be true 😂
Why would we NEED to believe in it? That makes no sense. If it is a forgery then those claiming should be able to easily recreate it then so why hasnt that happened yet?@@Flintlock1776
The justice system is deliberately weighted in favor of releasing a guilty person rather than convicting an innocent one , it's not designed to find the truth @@Flintlock1776
@@Flintlock1776barry schwortz is the original photographer. Jewish still. He’s 100% convinced it’s the burial cloth of Jesus. He doesn’t believe Jesus is the messiah. Check out his website
Miracles still happen to this day, and it’s our Savior’s way of letting us know he loves us and is here for us if we just believe in him. I can’t wait for the day he returns. I hope I’m here to see it.
Fifteen years ago I attended a prayer meeting in the small RC Church of Saint Thomas the Apostle, in South Wales, UK. There were only ten people present including the Priest. At the end of the prayers a young lady in our group asked if we could see anything on the Altar? We all looked towards the Altar, and there right around the Crucifix on the Altar, appeared the face of the Shroud of Turin. It something that I will never forget. Later looking at pictures of the Shroud face I noticed a cross of light across the forehead and down the centre of the forehead and nose. And that was also exactly how the face of the Shroud had also aligned with the Crucifix on the Altar. Many old paintings of the face of Christ, show a cross behind his head which also matches the light cross on the face of the Shroud. The Shroud of Turin is one hundred percent authentic.
The reason why it would have an image in it is the light that hit was bright enough to do so.
The Angels at the tomb.
It was permanently marked with the very LIFE FORCE of Jesus Christ.
@@oldyellerschannel4676 Absurd.
@oldyellerschannel4676 remember that before the Crucifixion that Jesus had taken Peter, James, and John up to Mt. Tabor and was transfixed before them to the extent that they were able to bear that Glory.. So that, as the hymn says, when He was crucified, they would understand that His Suffering was voluntary, and would proclaim to the world that He was/is the Radiance of the Father..
His Divinity was hidden in human flesh unless He wanted to reveal It..
That same power resurrected Him and left its evidence..
@@lindaphillips4646 I would state you are almost fully Scripturally correct...
The bright light over the tomb might explain the source of the u.v. light??
Anybody who doesn't believe in the story of Jesus Christ after this has been revealed to the world on top of the thousands of near-death experiences people have had where they have left their bodies descended into hell or ascended to heaven and met with Jesus Christ himself then returned to their body here on Earth is beyond reprieve.
There is zero excuse at this point for the world not believing in the complete story of Jesus Christ.
Wtf are you talking about? There are 1000s of reasons. If you really believe than what you just did in your statement is a sin. Also you would give up all your worldly possessions as Jesus taught but you have internet and a phone and computer so you acting all holier than thou is exactly what Jesus was against. Treat people as you want to be treated not smite people because they don't think like you. Jesus would be embarrassed you use his name.
@@butter7734 not sure who your response is to, but if it's to my comment, your response makes absolutely no sense.
@@butter7734 that's the thing with reading the bible from a perspective of picking it a part to make others look foolish, you interpret things in bad faith... he was clearly attempting to expose the rich man for his insincerity, if you had actually read the scripture instead of regurgitating a bad faith talking point from some other miserable sap, youd have understood this.
The world literally killed Jesus while he lived.
He performed many miracles and yet people back then didn’t believe he was the son of God
You’re so shocked people don’t believe in him today?
You shouldn't need this sort of evidence to believe. Jesus Himself said that if one doesn't believe Moses and the prophets they won't believe even if someone comes back from the dead. Scripture and the Holy Spirit is all that is necessary and all that is able to give faith and life.
"I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, because it is the power of God unto salvation." (Romans 1:16)
How could someone make a photo negative 200 years before photography was invented? Nobody knew what photography was yet
Michael, you should consider interviewing Fr. Robert Spitzer on the Shroud of Turin.
The 1980 study took small samples of the cloth from the upper right corner. The problem? The upper right corner doesn't match the rest of the shroud. The shroud had slight burn damage and nuns repaired the shroud, splicing the 1st century material with materials from not too long after the middle ages. Since carbon dating takes an average of the sample used, a little bit of first century mixed with more material from the future, it would average out somewhere around in the Middle ages.
There is no explanation for the shroud. It cannot be duplicated.
“Fake” is such a loaded word. It is first recorded in 1354, and presented to the public in 1355…okay, so say it was made in 1353 then? HOW DID THEY DO IT? How could they have understood the photographic effect of the material to THE POINT OF USING IT TO CREATE WHAT SEEMS TO BE (if not literally Jesus) ART!? 469 years before the discovery of photography. And 148 years before any affect even remotely similar to genuine photography was “sketched” not described, by Leonardo Da Vinci. It is and should remain an icon, even if it is discovered to be a “fake.” It would still call into question so many other scientific dogmas, if not the construction of the pyramids themselves then atleast the technology levels of ancient cultures and how we belittle their knowledge.
Notice in the comments how you can identify lizards 🦎 easily. they’re not intelligent, they’re extremely rude. They curse a lot like demons and extremely easy to spot and block.
I believe the children of serpents talk was a cue for those in the future,a reminder
@@Rasmajnoon actually for now. Core reversed last year when I was baptized in the Jordan quakes volcanism extreme weather and wars are picking up…polar cell collapse 2027 then Poleflip 2029. NWO 2030….its going to get bad real soon.
How compassionate of you. May your judgment be through
@@grantgazi4864 , I have 144 k righteous friends around the world helping me judge . . Woe to those who remain blind . They have no savior .
Herbrews 13:2
Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.
Good luck
@@grantgazi4864 let them believe what they want. The core reversal has brought severe weather changes, earthquakes volcanism alongside of world upheavals….
ALTHOUGH YOU ARE FULLY AWARE OF
THIS, I WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT AFTER JESUS HAD DELIVERED HIS
PEOPLE OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT, HE DESTROYED THOSE WHO DID NOT
BELIEVE.
- JUDE 1:5
Our Lord took the first selfie!!
Actually His first selfie was in Him as part of the Triune Godhead saying let us make man in our image...also creation declares his glory.
it's a fake...
(John 20:5-7) "And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in. {6} Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie, {7} And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself."
jesus was wrapped in two separate cloths. the con man that made the shroud forgot that detail...
There were many burial cloths of Jesus that were saved by the apostles. Including the face cloth still preserved with the living face of Jesus - the Holy Face of Manoppello in Abruzzo Italy. You can look it up. There is also the Suadium of Oviedo which covered the face of Jesus to catch his blood when he was being taken down from the cross.
Christ is King, lads.
He is indeed!
DOOWAH
He is! Amen.
They were obsessed with kings, crowns and bowing down to the king and stuff back then. Nowadays we see it as megalomania that someone would even desire this of others.
Blessed is he who does not see but has faith
My take on believing it or not, is true faith does not require evidence.
Faith is a modern concept...about 300 years old. Its essentially just someone saying: "just trust me bro". 😂. Basically Martin Luther and John Calvin came along and concluded faith was the foundation for Christianity, basically because they were such bad theologians they couldn't explain via the actual text, why they believe what they believe. Historically, there has always been enough evidence and reason for God, that faith was a very minor part of Christianity. It's meaning has been so corrupted over time, it's meaning has been lost. No one has done more to destroy the original meaning and wisdom found in the Bible than Martin Luther and his progeny, all protestant denominations, especially evangelicals. Luther and his ilk essentially thought: "it really doesn't matter if you can understand a word written in the Bible. Just have faith and interpret its meaning for yourself." Faith without good works is pointless. Faith without understanding and wisdom is simply dangerous. Its the blind leading the blind, but claiming that they can see.
A bad theologian says "faith" when questioned. A good one offers logic, reason, and evidence. Faith removed all wisdom from the Bible.
You need something to base your faith on. Im not saying you must have the shroud. But every christian has the bible and the history of christendom to base their faith on at the very least. Not everyone has an enlightenment or personal revelation. Some people look at the evidence and choose to have faith. Saying true faith requires no evidence doesn't make sense to me.
@@off-meta-michaelI 100% agree, I wanted to say something like that but you said it perfectly.
I'm confused when people say this, and it discredits their own religion. We have faith in Christ, because there is 2000 years of evidence for His Resurrection.
I was an atheist my entire life. It took evidence and a minor miracle to convert my stubborn self.
yes it does, what are you talking about??????
Michael Knowles deleted my previous comment. Essentially faith is a modern concept. Faith fills in the gaps in religion that used to be occupied by wisdom. Faith is for those who cannot truly see or simply cannot understand that there is enough reason and evidence for God without faith. Martin Luther and John Calvin, two of the worst theologians in history, decided faith was the cornerstone of Christianity and you didnt need to actually understand the Bible; you can just interpret it for yourself (incorrectly), and it could basically mean anything you wanted. He was wrong. This concept of faith has only been around about 300 years. All Protestant denominations are derived from these two dunces.
The age matches the linens aged 55-74 AD,
PLUS OR MINUS 50 YEARS. When you include the margin of error, the results are consistent with a linen that was made in 33 AD.
Studying the shroud, and all its proofs, is what brought me to Christ over 20 years ago. At that time the only thing that didn't add up was the carbon dating. But the rest of the evidence was so overwhelming that I believed.
About the 1980s studies, they only did carbon dating on the corners of the shroud, but the corners of the shroud had been repaired by nuns in the 1600s (the corners were damaged by improper handling over the centuries).
The nuns had a technique called invisible French weave where they could weave new linen fibres together with the old to repair cloth in a seamless way. The samples taken for carbon dating thus had a mixture of material from the first century and the 17th century.
The scientists publicized their results that appeared to show that the cloth was from the 1300s, but they were rather quiet about the fact that the error on that value was unreasonably high (when you take an average of samples from 1650 AD and samples from 33 AD you might get an average in the 1300s but with a huge statistical error).
Some of them went on to propel their career as one of "the great skeptical scientists that disproved the Shroud of Turin."
Christ is King. Every knee will bow.
You have to bow down like they made you do to the ancient kings. Today we understand when someone wants you to bow that they are a megalomaniac.
The shroud first showed up in records in Constantinople where it would periodically be displayed by a mechanism that raised it. There are creases on the bottom that confirm this. It was smuggled out before Constantinople fell and ended up in Turin.
It boils down to you either believe in God or you don't. The same with the shroud.
Not true. You don't need to believe the Shroud of Turin is real to know that God sent Jesus to die for our sins and offer us the gift of grace.
@@RUclipsistheworst I agree. Also, if I might add if someone requires things like the shroud to believe then what will happen to their faith if they find out later it wasn’t what they thought?
Not just believe in but on.
It's getting to the point that disbelief in God is a deliberate choice, requiring deliberate dismissal of all the evidence He provides.
There’s actual evidence that the shroud exists, still waiting for that for God.
Thanks! The DNC crap is killing me. I’d rather listen to this. 😀🙏
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People are mad because it proves Christ was white and not black.
Israelites are the European peoples as Christendom was built in Europe, Denmark is Dans Mark Saxon means Isaccs Sons.
R1b haplogroup is found in Europe and is the line of Kings.
Solomon described as having legs like pillars of Ivory and eyes like the pools of Gisbon aka blue.
The Shroud of Turin wasn’t publicly documented until the fourteenth century. However, Orthodoxy had been using it since the resurrection of Christ.
Image of Edessa showed up in the west around the same time and had been well known to the Christian world for a millennia by then.
Maybe it's "Josephus" the Alexandrian satirist then... posing once again. Eleazar/Lazarus wasn't left in one piece. His only "resurrection" was being cannibalized by starving peasants under seige by the Romans. I doubt Titus the "Gardener" would have posed for such a thing despite his role in supplanting the Judean Messianic line. Literally the shroud could depict absolutely any ancient yahoo, but would be funny if it was "Josephus" since he gave us the gospel satire campaign.
Don't know what I am talking about? Start investigating the gospels as satire. These were not texts written nor dictated by any Judean peasants.
@@booksquid856whatever makes you feel good bro
@@rach9466 "Josephus" wouldn't have had gash wounds. Hah! He was wealthy and well taken care of. But yah, it would have been funny for him to have added this one more theatrical thing to his repertoire. Anyway, ountless were crucified by the Romans.
it's a fake...
(John 20:5-7) "And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in. {6} Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie, {7} And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself."
jesus was wrapped in two separate cloths. the con man that made the shroud forgot that detail...
The Shroud of Turin is the single most studied artifact in human history. It has undergone hundreds, if not thousands, of tests and studies. The vast majority point to its authenticity, while a small handful do find reasons to doubt. Faith is not opposed to science, but oftentimes science affirms articles of our faith!
I am not religious. But I’d rather hang out with you guys and vote Trump
What? You don't want to hang out with some trans and shower in the high school girl's locker room? What's wrong with you!
The trouble is that Trump will back Israel to start a war with Iran. And Trump is baking Israel because of these religious nuts.
I presume these are the remaining samples that Ray Rogers (STURP scientist) had before he died and left to Barrie Schwortz (STURP photographer). If so, these samples of a few threads were taken from the same area where the carbon 14 samples were taken. If the threads from the carbon 14 samples were taken from a side strip used to repair the fraying corners of the Shroud by the Poor Clare Nuns in the Middle Ages, then the quality of these threads is no better than the carbon 14 dated samples. Just an observation.
Let’s not forget about St Catherine, her body has never decayed.
I’ve seen her skull. No skin on it dude, her body did decay
No big deal ,she was embalmed ,the great communist Vladimir Lenin didn't decompose either so what's your point
@@ExpiditionWild I’m talking about St Catherine Laboure in France. Her body is on display and is incorrupted.
@@GMurph2336 Also, there are 300 saints whose bodies are incorrupted. Also, Lenin's body has to be maintained since his death and they used plastics to keep skin looking real. Saints have been exumed 100's of years after burial.
Wow. Seriously ? man, get some education.
Here is the problem, People who believe the shroud is real will be tempted to worship it as an idol and give homage to the perceived caretaker or owner of it. The shroud is amazing, but faith built on it is like building a house on sand. Faith must be for Jesus Christ and nothing else or it is idolatry.
Furthermore, it has been proven that the shroud cannot be a "fake". Either it is real or it is a masterpiece of art. It was not passed off as a "fake" or the real deal until after two centuries after its discovery in Turin. There are source documents showing that the shroud was an artwork and that at one time the artist was known, but lost to time. However, it could also have been real. Most of the "science" and claims have come from activists on both sides, so the truth was not the priority.
Even the cross scares me as an idol.
The bible is like the manual for life. I can't live without that book.
The negative image came from LIGHT!!! God's light is SOOOOO BRIGHT, that when he arose, the mixture of the blood stains and light created the negative burned image in the cloth.
Praise to you Lord Jesus Christ
Christ is not a last name it's a title. If you knew where of you spoke you would say Jesus the Christ.
remember that its not about religion, its about relationship. i hope that sinks in
That is not biblical. Jesus founded a church which is the pillar and bulwark of truth. Only the truth sets us free.
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@@mnrsteeljoutafel what did you not understand? Many claim to have a personal relationship with Jesus but are not living in the fullness of truth, only the truth they come up with.
@@mnrsteeljoutafel Saying it's about a relationship, and not a religion is basically the main argument between protestant and catholic. AKA The sola scriptura argument.
You must be a Gnostic. Anyway, Catholicism IS the "personal relationship" with Christ.
All I remember about the shroud of Turin is a guy who went to Italy to prove it was a hoax or fruad but after much research he not only concluded it authentic but he became a christian ..cant remember the guys name but his whole story is on utube...my opinion Jesus is lord and I think he left some items for us to discover
You might be refering to Lee Strobel, who wrote "The Case for Christ", which is based on his findings.
This is crazy. I was literally telling a coworker just last night about the shroud of turin and this “burst of energy” from within. We aren’t allowed to have our phones on us at my job, so i seriously doubt my phone was “listening”. Then i wake up today to see this story. What a coinky-dink!
As he was born, he was resurrected
A virgin birth, he emerged from his mother’s womb, without birth pangs for Blessed Virgin Mary
A resurrected life, he emerged from his burial cloth the same way
Our Catholic faith has so much depth that “where is that in the bible” is like breathing on one lung
Harry Potter is great fiction also. Have you read it??
Jesus is LORD, not Mary. She had birth pangs like anyone else. She had at least 6 other children. Joseph was Mary's husband and NEW her after Jesus's birth. Jesus never told anyone to pray to his Mother after his passing. He is alive and well at the right hand of the FATHER to listen to our prayers and make intercession for us. Our prayers should be times of thanksgiving, blessing and gratitude for what JESUS has provided for us. HE knows what you need before you ask. God has allowed me to see my wife restored from a septic shock coma with no hope in 8 hours, my son was restored in 8 days from severe burns after a refinery explosion, my mother in law was restored to health at 78 from ovarian cancer, diabetes, and congestive heart failure; I was restored from congestive heart failure with a recovery chance of 8% after 2 weeks in a induced coma. I could go on but, the point is MARY is not the one to receive praise. JESUS is the focus of everything we are and can be. HE is the ONE to calm our storms, comfort us, assure us, our GOOD SHEPARD, the BANNER OUR US, our PROVIDER, ..............BLESSED IS HIS NAME. GOD BLESS
@@chadb9270I have. And although Harry Potter does teach some valuable lessons, the wisdom isn't comparable. Read what Jesus said, vs Harry Potter. Or LotR. Or even other mystics and you will find it has no equal. His words make more sense the more you think about them, you don't find holes.
@@chadb9270 Harry Potter as we know it wouldn't exist without the Bible existing as we know it and J.K. Rowling has said as much
It's not faith but religion when you it's a another Gospel thus another Jesus.