I just got an m70 for a very good price. I like the concept of carrying gear on the jacket and the lumpy shape of the jacket with all those pockets helps to break up the silhouette of the human form. I like MTP and I appreciate the durability of poly cotton but it doesn't feel as good as the older fabrics and comfort is important. I wear the MTP if it's raining or windy but much prefer my old DPM smock. I just love wearing it. I love the pockets, I love the way it fit's, the material is comfy on bare arms. I have not put the m70 through its paces yet but for me the acid test is cutting and stacking firewood or driving the tractor. It has to feel right for the job. If it keeps me cosy without feeling prickly or sweaty, it's the right jacket.
Great video Alan, thanks for sharing. Army surplus is heavy and can be cumbersome ( arctic military sleeping bag ) But like you said about the MTP, it's had millions spent on development. If its good enough for our boys, it's certainly good enough for me.
In the woods DPM is definitely king but as you say the MTP works pretty well too. Most of my gear is MTP but recently bought a DPM bivvi bag and after using that in the woods I do think it has the edge over MTP in that environment. I won't be buying all DPM though as I am up on the hills as well as hiding away in woodland so it works best for what I use it for.
Because I live in an area that is used for training specials and know what to look for, you would be amazed at the abilities of the classified camo those guys use. But even then if the modulation isn't dialed in perfectly, you will see a grey ghost shadow walking across the paddock ! Instead of looking at the camo, your looking through it. But you won't see that kit available in army surplus anytime soon. MTP works well in Oz.
That's one of the problems with doing these type of videos. Hide the jacket etc properly and the would be nothing to film. Make it easy to film and people say the camo don't work. 😂👍
I always thought that the change from DPM to MPT was due to the changing theatres of war, but it's heartening to see how effective MPT is even if it is counterintuitive. I think in the years to come it will be the cheapest most easily available surplus gear, so I'm pleased it's effective! I've always been a fan of Canadian camo patterns, past and present, my father's hunting jacket is an old (over 40 years old!) Canadian military jacket, it's tough, warm and very effective. It makes my British DPM jacket feel flimsy by comparison!
@@jim-bob-outdoors me too, wardrobes getting full of great gear, Flecktarn is still my favourite, maybe a poll your viewers to let us all know their favourites maybe, thanks.
I'm afraid I'm a big fan of dpm, admittedly it's getting difficult to get more modern materials in that pattern. That said I might have a play with some dylon and a dpm jacket
@@jim-bob-outdoors A softie jacket? If so haha Genuinely though I meant like maybe theyll develop a smock with an mtp pattern on one side and a desert or a more urban colouration for the other as the likely theatre of war has changed.....maybe incorporate some molle loops on smock to add local foliage where needed. 🤔 ......or for us civvies to attach various bits and bobs too.
I think the darker one worked better in the first 2 positions because it looked like a shaded area, in the shady position the darker one had a too well defined outline whereas the lighter one looked more like dappled light.
Interesting comparison there JB . Can be surprising what pattern works well in certain spots . As you say , got to position the camo well to get the most out of it . Take it easy bud 👍
Love these comparison tests you do. Think i will always lean towards dpm personally.i do have mtp gear,basha,smock etc,think ill try olive dye on the mtp smock see how that turns out. Cheers Alan all the best.
I am a big fan of colour changing camo. Everyone's area is a bit different, so why not just do a bit of fine tuning. Mate of mine has dyed his MTP and it looks like plain olive but with a shadow pattern. Very cool. 👍
@@ivormoraywildcamper2447 Dylon is the one I normally use. You can get it in the shops or online. Just take the lid off and put it in the washer with the jacket etc and do a normal wash.
Take 1 - invisible, Take 2 - visible but you have to be looking, MTP better. Take 3, again you have to look - the MTP was better. Horses for courses though, what would the same test look like in October? I think the DPM and MTP have a role in the modern European theatre. Both could be issued in lighter and darker versions of course. Good stuff Allan, hope things are improving for you. In my day we went dark for DRC and Guyana and previously DPM for British service.
I changed my mind about the MTP when I started working with the cadets. Actually observing it being used it was way better than I expected. Works well in open fields as well, if keeping low.
Great vid, both worked well. But like you I'm a DPM fan. Although genuine issue DPM is getting harder to find. And still can't bring myself round to the idea of the mossy oak stuff. 🤣 🤣 Although there's and idea for a comparison, mossy oak vs DPM vs MTP and your homemade one. 🤔 Take care matey.
Fair experiment, still prefer dpm, but going to try and dye some mtp , see what happens, cool video, good health and safe travels my friend, cheers craig 🙏🌿
One thing to keep in mind is MTP is polycotton, which won't dye quite as well as DPM which was usually cotton. I'll need to do some experiments myself to see what dyes work best.
The first issue DPM was very light (though darker than MTP) DPM got very dark and Brown heavy towards the end, making it unsuitable to anything other than woodland IMO.
@@jim-bob-outdoors The 'Junglies' were usually extremely bright colours by comparison, they needed to be when soaked with sweat or water temperate DPM looks almost black. Loved my jungle combats, best combat uniform ever issued up to recently, although they were a bit 'melty' if you got too close to a fire.
Everytime you field-test the MTP camo', Allan, I'll sit here and think, "Nah, no chance, it's going to get found out.". Well, 'hey presto', it scores well again! However, as always, you already know what I'm going to say next, mate..."Flecktarn for the win!"... :) .
I just got an m70 for a very good price. I like the concept of carrying gear on the jacket and the lumpy shape of the jacket with all those pockets helps to break up the silhouette of the human form.
I like MTP and I appreciate the durability of poly cotton but it doesn't feel as good as the older fabrics and comfort is important.
I wear the MTP if it's raining or windy but much prefer my old DPM smock. I just love wearing it.
I love the pockets, I love the way it fit's, the material is comfy on bare arms. I have not put the m70 through its paces yet but for me the acid test is cutting and stacking firewood or driving the tractor. It has to feel right for the job. If it keeps me cosy without feeling prickly or sweaty, it's the right jacket.
M70 is a great jacket. 👍
Great video Alan, thanks for sharing. Army surplus is heavy and can be cumbersome ( arctic military sleeping bag ) But like you said about the MTP, it's had millions spent on development. If its good enough for our boys, it's certainly good enough for me.
I was using the GorTex rain jacket for the test. Nice and light, cheap but works well. 👍
In the woods DPM is definitely king but as you say the MTP works pretty well too. Most of my gear is MTP but recently bought a DPM bivvi bag and after using that in the woods I do think it has the edge over MTP in that environment. I won't be buying all DPM though as I am up on the hills as well as hiding away in woodland so it works best for what I use it for.
Yes DPM is good. Not quite as versatile as the MTP though. Still love my DPM stuff though. 👍
Because I live in an area that is used for training specials and know what to look for, you would be amazed at the abilities of the classified camo those guys use.
But even then if the modulation isn't dialed in perfectly, you will see a grey ghost shadow walking across the paddock !
Instead of looking at the camo, your looking through it.
But you won't see that kit available in army surplus anytime soon.
MTP works well in Oz.
That's one of the problems with doing these type of videos. Hide the jacket etc properly and the would be nothing to film. Make it easy to film and people say the camo don't work. 😂👍
I always thought that the change from DPM to MPT was due to the changing theatres of war, but it's heartening to see how effective MPT is even if it is counterintuitive. I think in the years to come it will be the cheapest most easily available surplus gear, so I'm pleased it's effective! I've always been a fan of Canadian camo patterns, past and present, my father's hunting jacket is an old (over 40 years old!) Canadian military jacket, it's tough, warm and very effective. It makes my British DPM jacket feel flimsy by comparison!
I like the Canadian Cadpat, I believe they were the 1st to do a digital pattern. Something else I need to add to the collection. 👍
@@jim-bob-outdoors me too, wardrobes getting full of great gear, Flecktarn is still my favourite, maybe a poll your viewers to let us all know their favourites maybe, thanks.
I'm afraid I'm a big fan of dpm, admittedly it's getting difficult to get more modern materials in that pattern. That said I might have a play with some dylon and a dpm jacket
I like changing the colours sometimes. Makes it unique.
Maybe a reversible smock will be the next step Alan?
Although load bearing may be interesting to incorporate mate.
I do have an British army jacket that is reversible. Plain green one side, tan the other. Too warm for it at the moment though.
@@jim-bob-outdoors A softie jacket? If so haha
Genuinely though I meant like maybe theyll develop a smock with an mtp pattern on one side and a desert or a more urban colouration for the other as the likely theatre of war has changed.....maybe incorporate some molle loops on smock to add local foliage where needed. 🤔
......or for us civvies to attach various bits and bobs too.
@@theronin365 Its not a bad idea. 🤔🤔
Good video Allan. Always enjoy your camo testing vids. Very true how light can affect the effectiveness of any camo. 👍
Thanks for watching Ben. Just watched you pop-up video. 😁
The desert dpm dyed with dylon olive green looks pretty good too I did my smock and a pair of combats
I did my desert dpm with brown dye. Given it a nice shadow pattern.
I think the darker one worked better in the first 2 positions because it looked like a shaded area, in the shady position the darker one had a too well defined outline whereas the lighter one looked more like dappled light.
Yes I agree, every area is different.
I would have liked to have seen the Swiss camo before dyeing as a comparison as well.
I did do a test when I 1st got it. 👍ruclips.net/video/4HgyXUhtUw4/видео.html
Interesting comparison there JB . Can be surprising what pattern works well in certain spots . As you say , got to position the camo well to get the most out of it . Take it easy bud 👍
Thanks for watching my friend.
Love these comparison tests you do.
Think i will always lean towards dpm personally.i do have mtp gear,basha,smock etc,think ill try olive dye on the mtp smock see how that turns out.
Cheers Alan all the best.
I am a big fan of colour changing camo. Everyone's area is a bit different, so why not just do a bit of fine tuning. Mate of mine has dyed his MTP and it looks like plain olive but with a shadow pattern. Very cool. 👍
@@jim-bob-outdoors got to be worth a shot👍.
Do you know what the name of the dye thats used?cheers.
@@ivormoraywildcamper2447 Dylon is the one I normally use. You can get it in the shops or online. Just take the lid off and put it in the washer with the jacket etc and do a normal wash.
@@jim-bob-outdoors thanks Alan,ill give that a go.cheers.
Take 1 - invisible, Take 2 - visible but you have to be looking, MTP better. Take 3, again you have to look - the MTP was better. Horses for courses though, what would the same test look like in October? I think the DPM and MTP have a role in the modern European theatre. Both could be issued in lighter and darker versions of course. Good stuff Allan, hope things are improving for you. In my day we went dark for DRC and Guyana and previously DPM for British service.
I changed my mind about the MTP when I started working with the cadets. Actually observing it being used it was way better than I expected. Works well in open fields as well, if keeping low.
Great vid, both worked well. But like you I'm a DPM fan. Although genuine issue DPM is getting harder to find. And still can't bring myself round to the idea of the mossy oak stuff. 🤣 🤣 Although there's and idea for a comparison, mossy oak vs DPM vs MTP and your homemade one. 🤔 Take care matey.
I am with you on the "Real tree" stuff. I like the look of it but not convinced yet.
Fair experiment, still prefer dpm, but going to try and dye some mtp , see what happens, cool video, good health and safe travels my friend, cheers craig 🙏🌿
Mtp looks good with a green over wash. You get like a Olive drab with a shadow pattern.
One thing to keep in mind is MTP is polycotton, which won't dye quite as well as DPM which was usually cotton. I'll need to do some experiments myself to see what dyes work best.
@@skywardsoul1178 good point. 👍👍
Nice review and vid. Wishing you a wonderful day
Thanks for the visit. 👍
The first issue DPM was very light (though darker than MTP) DPM got very dark and Brown heavy towards the end, making it unsuitable to anything other than woodland IMO.
Yes, dark woodland only really. The lighter DPM was also used in jungle settings.
@@jim-bob-outdoors The 'Junglies' were usually extremely bright colours by comparison, they needed to be when soaked with sweat or water temperate DPM looks almost black. Loved my jungle combats, best combat uniform ever issued up to recently, although they were a bit 'melty' if you got too close to a fire.
mtp was made for sun ,, both are equal in the right location, and in my opinion any camo is better than none . god bless
Very true Lee.
Everytime you field-test the MTP camo', Allan, I'll sit here and think, "Nah, no chance, it's going to get found out.". Well, 'hey presto', it scores well again! However, as always, you already know what I'm going to say next, mate..."Flecktarn for the win!"... :) .
Its way better than people think. I think the Flecktarn would of been too dark for this test location. Still love it though.
@@jim-bob-outdoors Yep, I think you might be right, mate. I was surprised the way the 'DPM' faired in a 'less light' scenario.
Your lucky you don’t lose the buggers
That would of been a pain. 😁