Too much!? Wtf dude is an all star! He could really help a contending team get over the hump. One first round pick is nothing! A contending team wont even get a top 15 pick...
Ignoring all context like him being one of the worst finishing big men and one of the worst shooters in the league for the past 3 years. Plays 0 defense, 34 years old and on a 41m/2y contract.
how is asking for a first round pick " borderline delusional" ? they didn't say its unconditional, heck it could be a late first. do you want a late 2nd pick instead? what is the backfire? we keep vooch for one more year for 20 mil. and maybe trade him again for a team looking to shed a salary as now he is expiring? Is it really that bad compared to a late 2nd round pick?
@@swaymcthunder1219 we don't even have a draft pick and it's one thing if it's at least top 20 but the bulls are not lucky/good enough to snag a nikola jokic in any given draft
@anthonychristianson411 we do have a draft pick this year, if we stay in the bottom ten. To me, keeping a top ten draft pick this year is more valuable than picks in the future. To not trade him just cuz you can't get a late 1st imo is far more damage than trading him away for 2nd rounders. Keeping the pick this year should be the main priority right now. Teams aren't going to just give away 1sts like they were 3 years ago. The new CBA is brutal, players on rookie deals is even more valuable now.
No they're not. We aren't taking scraps from a contender for Vuc. How bad does said contender want to win? Salary filler and a couple of 2nd round picks? No thank you. Come correct or go kick rocks. Come correct or watch the playoffs from home without a winning center. Bye bye losers....keep your precious pick. And the Bulls were never asking four 1st round picks for AC. That's ridiculous. Vooch is worth a 1st or viable young player assets that fit our rebuild. Anything less will not suffice. We'll keep Vuc....don't need table scraps.
I agree they shouldn't settle for garbage, but holding onto to Vooch to see his value decline or even lose him for nothing in two years isn't any better. And yes, the Bulls were asking for 4 first round picks
Bulls overvalue their players. Is Vuc an all-star? Are the Bulls going anywhere with Vuc as a core player? They better take what they can get and make better decisions in the future.
@@QuietStormP They can start making better decisions now. Bulls gave up a lot to get Vuc in the first place and he's currently performing at a high level. A level that at the center position teams don't get for 20m a season. Bulls need to stand firm. If a team wants Vooch its one with an immediate window to winning and they're in need of big help. No reason to "take what they can get for him." They can do that next season when he's on expiring deal, or keep him to play center through 25-26 and let him walk. He is not the kind of player to take "anything we can get for." His position is specialized, he's playing very well, and he's on a friendly deal. Bulls need value back for their investment and the current product. No scraps accepted. A GOOD pick and salary guys is not too much to ask. Or lesser "picks" and a young player or two with higher upside. If we can't get that? The trade ain't worth it. And that goes both ways, apparently. Who wants him, why, and how badly?
Great vid but I tend to disagree vooch is having a career year as a bull I don’t feel like the bulls should sell low on there talent they did that with demar and got pretty much nothing I’m not mad at there high asking price
Who are these sources? I always find trade talk funny because the truth is that nobody knows anything substantial until just before a trade actually happens.
Hellz, No! Do you realize how hard it is to find a 20 and 10 center? In the Chicago Bulls history they've only had Artis Gilmore, Pau Gasol, and Joakim Noah who were worth a damn. As long as Vooch is ball'n he stays!
@ecobean3440 Why he should stay? So that Bulls can keep winning 35-41 games per season and play some play-in games? If Bulls would be a better team overall, yes you keep Vooch, but we are too far from top.
@@atsk3281 How many games do you think the Bulls will win without Vooch? Besides, who knows if the Bulls will win 35-40 games? There's a lot of regular season left. What if the rook Matas Buzelis blows up the 2nd half of the season. How much better will the Bulls be then? What if Lonzo Ball stays healthy as his mins increase? How much better can Julian Phillips be? The Bulls need vets as they develop the young guns. They need players who know how the league works. If the Bulls end up with a top 10 draft pick they can trade Vooch over the summer. But they'll have to give up their top 8 draft pick to SA next year.
Voochie Coochie is playing like an all star this season. A first round pick or promising young aspects are the least we should get back in a trade. How often do 2nd round picks amount to anything at all? Most times, they don’t even convert to something nearly as valuable as Vooch when he was playing BAD, let alone his production right now.
@swaymcthunder1219 stop acting like defense matters in this league. Defense has never and will never take priority over great offense in this league. People like melo and James harden get max deals. People like alex caruso don't. Any offense he has more than makes up for his lack of defense
@Al3x0325 those are wings. Teams care about defense from the center position. Plus vooch has never beeen the type of scorer as those guys. If they didn't, guys like boban would get mins and Okafor would be in the league. Teams don't value slow footed big men who can't protect the rim. It has been that way for awhile now, this is nothing new. If defense didn't matter from the center position, then gobert wouldn't be getting paid what he is.
@swaymcthunder1219 vuc is quite literally the 3rd most offensively skilled center in the nba. There are literally 2 centers that are more complete offensive players top to bottom. Jokic and embiid. There is not a single other center that has vuc combination of footwork. Outside shooting. Midrange shooting. Post moves. Rebounding. Passing. Etc. Not to mention his efficiency and the fact that he doesn't miss games. All that and you're complaining he's not an elite defender. Doesn't matter.
@Al3x0325 funny how vooch goes from being untradable and terrible about 3 months ago to the 3rd best offensive center in the league. I like Vooch, I have been one of the few that has defended him constantly on this channel. I don't care that he isn't an elite defender. He is a huge liability on that end. He is legit one of the worst defensive centers in the league. You might not think it matters at all, but it does to guys building teams. KAT, AD, Wemby, Sabonis, Sengun (just off the top of my head) are all guys imo are more skilled offensively than Vooch too.
Vooch is 100% worth a 1st round pick. Elite Floor spacing big men are game changers and are rare. Plus he's a good passer, great rebounder and good offensive player all around. I think he's worth a young player and a 1st round pick.
Bulls NEED a young center in return not a random 1st round. Ayton's value is at an all time low. We should capitilize! Trade Vuc, jevon carter & duarte for Ayton & Rayan Rupert & 2 2nd rounds (or 1 top 10 protected 1st round)
@atsk3281 Clingan is great, but he's a project. He is a great defender, but he could learn so much from Vuc offensively. Vuc is a low maintenance star that, despite being 34, has played over 70 games in each of the last 4 seasons (Ayton has played over 60 games once in the last 4 seasons).For a 20 & 10 guy, vuc has a great contract he expires in 2 seasons when Blazers will be more able to compete. He is also a veteran who's a great example. He's a respected multi all star, a great professional, and could really help a young team with no culture or respected veterans to develop. Carter would also be a solid piece for them, he's also a great professional who just didn't get a role in the bulls due to the rising of white & ayo.
@atsk3281 How is that not a great deal for Portland? Ayton has clearly not worked out...He doesn't fit their timeline. They clearly drafter his replacement and he's got a headache of a contract, one of the worst in the nba for how he's performing.
@ciccio40105 Blazers have Clingan and Williams III for a backup. Why do they need Vooch and would give away a pick to get him? I don't think that Ayton's contract is that bad or long to do it.
We want a 1st for Vucevic, Worth a 1st for Vucevic and the only team with Value for the Bulls is The New Orleans Pelicans swaping Ingram and their Milwaukee first. Packaging Carter & Duarte! This way we get a pick this year, and lose enough to keep our own pick sense Ingram will be out to the End of all-star weekend. That’s two 1st rd picks and a 2nd this year… We gain leverage this way! Anyone who doesn’t agree with this should read this twice👍 Pelicans a Playoff team with Vucevic and with Health and they need a center and we need what they can offer.
@@BullsCentral2 firsts & a 2nd in this years draft… and Brandon Ingram… While staying 900K under the Tax,.. and The Pelicans need a Vucevic more than any other team. And they have the players that fit his output. You have no idea how to create a better outcome than that. That’s a well-rounded approach. Do better research.
Bro, you just said the Bulls should trade for Brandon Ingram as if that solves anything when you have to pay him next year and is a DeMar DeRozan redundancy, and then you tell me to do better research….lol ok
@BullsCentral So it doesn’t solve anything because we have to PAY HIM? The $ isn’t the issue… needing a dominant option @ PF, averaging 25/5 & 6 against every team in the Eastern conference is the issue. Not having enough DEPTH TO BENCH COBY is the issue. If you’re worried about paying him $36m you worried about the wrong thing. Resigning Lonzo could be $14m less that’s an additional $14m beyond B.I. Current $36m! Giddey is worth a 4/$60m that’ll still leave us $11m under the Tax considering THT & Craig which im sure we would agree to re-sign THT for that 3rd string rotation. Maybe leaving us with $8m. Just enough to get a Draft pick and a young 7-footer… all without going in the Tax… but getting B.I. Before the season ends, will provide useful proof if it’s worth going in the tax this summer IF need-be… it’s about Strategy! Giddey, Lavine, Williams, Ingram. Simple math.
I seriously doubt the Bulls will make any significant trades. Zach, Zo, and Vooch will remain past the deadline. The Bulls will have to give up their top draft pick this summer or next summer. Either way they will keep the team in tact and build onto what they have.
I don’t think so mannnn we been getting the back end of shitty trades for decades we always got players past there prime years AK stand on that business for Vuc we need a first round pick and whatever else we get
This gives me the vibe that even after what all those shitty decisions(the Zach to Portland one being especially freaking despicable😡)have led to, they still haven’t woken up and realized the error of their ways. Tired of this.
I doubt we'd get a first but we'll see idk if I'm a team I ain't giving up a first for an expensive old big man like he's playing like an all star and he should get a first but I can see the bulls not getting a first tbh
Bro theres no way ppl are still hating on the Caruso trade like I get it we should've got some seconds but josh giddey is tuff and established and LITERALLY SO YOUNG like y'all are too harsh on him I loved the trade the moment it came through, did I want some seconds yes, was I happy about getting Giddey absolutely
Too much!? Wtf dude is an all star! He could really help a contending team get over the hump. One first round pick is nothing! A contending team wont even get a top 15 pick...
Asking late pick for a 21,10 and 3 guy who is shooting 58,47 and 85 is fair imo.
Agreed, a frp isn't unreasonable ask especially considering some trades going down the past couple seasons
Ignoring all context like him being one of the worst finishing big men and one of the worst shooters in the league for the past 3 years. Plays 0 defense, 34 years old and on a 41m/2y contract.
how is asking for a first round pick " borderline delusional" ? they didn't say its unconditional, heck it could be a late first. do you want a late 2nd pick instead? what is the backfire? we keep vooch for one more year for 20 mil. and maybe trade him again for a team looking to shed a salary as now he is expiring? Is it really that bad compared to a late 2nd round pick?
The backfire is very clear if we don't trade him. We lose our draft pick in what looks to be one of the best drafts in quite some time.
@@swaymcthunder1219 we don't even have a draft pick and it's one thing if it's at least top 20 but the bulls are not lucky/good enough to snag a nikola jokic in any given draft
@anthonychristianson411 we do have a draft pick this year, if we stay in the bottom ten. To me, keeping a top ten draft pick this year is more valuable than picks in the future. To not trade him just cuz you can't get a late 1st imo is far more damage than trading him away for 2nd rounders. Keeping the pick this year should be the main priority right now. Teams aren't going to just give away 1sts like they were 3 years ago. The new CBA is brutal, players on rookie deals is even more valuable now.
No they're not. We aren't taking scraps from a contender for Vuc. How bad does said contender want to win? Salary filler and a couple of 2nd round picks? No thank you. Come correct or go kick rocks. Come correct or watch the playoffs from home without a winning center. Bye bye losers....keep your precious pick. And the Bulls were never asking four 1st round picks for AC. That's ridiculous. Vooch is worth a 1st or viable young player assets that fit our rebuild. Anything less will not suffice. We'll keep Vuc....don't need table scraps.
I agree they shouldn't settle for garbage, but holding onto to Vooch to see his value decline or even lose him for nothing in two years isn't any better. And yes, the Bulls were asking for 4 first round picks
Bulls overvalue their players. Is Vuc an all-star? Are the Bulls going anywhere with Vuc as a core player? They better take what they can get and make better decisions in the future.
@@QuietStormP They can start making better decisions now. Bulls gave up a lot to get Vuc in the first place and he's currently performing at a high level. A level that at the center position teams don't get for 20m a season. Bulls need to stand firm. If a team wants Vooch its one with an immediate window to winning and they're in need of big help. No reason to "take what they can get for him." They can do that next season when he's on expiring deal, or keep him to play center through 25-26 and let him walk. He is not the kind of player to take "anything we can get for." His position is specialized, he's playing very well, and he's on a friendly deal. Bulls need value back for their investment and the current product. No scraps accepted. A GOOD pick and salary guys is not too much to ask. Or lesser "picks" and a young player or two with higher upside. If we can't get that? The trade ain't worth it. And that goes both ways, apparently. Who wants him, why, and how badly?
@@QuietStormP vuc is clearly playing like an allstar lol
@@QuietStormPvuc wasn't a bad decision in the slightest.
That's more than fair for a veteran center average in 21 points 10 rebounds
Great vid but I tend to disagree vooch is having a career year as a bull I don’t feel like the bulls should sell low on there talent they did that with demar and got pretty much nothing I’m not mad at there high asking price
Who are these sources? I always find trade talk funny because the truth is that nobody knows anything substantial until just before a trade actually happens.
I do agree actually....it's all speculative until something actually happens. Just give talking heads something to talk about
No, they are not. He's worth everything they are asking for, and possibly more. He is the Bulls best player this season.
I need at least 5 first round picks for him. Lol
First round pick (i would assume it would be 20-30 range) is right asking price for Vooch!
Hellz, No! Do you realize how hard it is to find a 20 and 10 center? In the Chicago Bulls history they've only had Artis Gilmore, Pau Gasol, and Joakim Noah who were worth a damn. As long as Vooch is ball'n he stays!
@ecobean3440 Why he should stay? So that Bulls can keep winning 35-41 games per season and play some play-in games? If Bulls would be a better team overall, yes you keep Vooch, but we are too far from top.
@@atsk3281 How many games do you think the Bulls will win without Vooch? Besides, who knows if the Bulls will win 35-40 games? There's a lot of regular season left.
What if the rook Matas Buzelis blows up the 2nd half of the season. How much better will the Bulls be then? What if Lonzo Ball stays healthy as his mins increase?
How much better can Julian Phillips be?
The Bulls need vets as they develop the young guns. They need players who know how the league works.
If the Bulls end up with a top 10 draft pick they can trade Vooch over the summer. But they'll have to give up their top 8 draft pick to SA next year.
@@atsk3281 Ingram already in route.
Voochie Coochie is playing like an all star this season. A first round pick or promising young aspects are the least we should get back in a trade. How often do 2nd round picks amount to anything at all? Most times, they don’t even convert to something nearly as valuable as Vooch when he was playing BAD, let alone his production right now.
With vucs numbers theres nothing delusional about asking for a 1st round pick.
Teams are very well aware of how bad he is on defense. Especially from the center position. Teams aren't going to give a 1st for him.
@swaymcthunder1219 stop acting like defense matters in this league. Defense has never and will never take priority over great offense in this league. People like melo and James harden get max deals. People like alex caruso don't. Any offense he has more than makes up for his lack of defense
@Al3x0325 those are wings. Teams care about defense from the center position. Plus vooch has never beeen the type of scorer as those guys. If they didn't, guys like boban would get mins and Okafor would be in the league. Teams don't value slow footed big men who can't protect the rim. It has been that way for awhile now, this is nothing new. If defense didn't matter from the center position, then gobert wouldn't be getting paid what he is.
@swaymcthunder1219 vuc is quite literally the 3rd most offensively skilled center in the nba. There are literally 2 centers that are more complete offensive players top to bottom. Jokic and embiid. There is not a single other center that has vuc combination of footwork. Outside shooting. Midrange shooting. Post moves. Rebounding. Passing. Etc. Not to mention his efficiency and the fact that he doesn't miss games. All that and you're complaining he's not an elite defender. Doesn't matter.
@Al3x0325 funny how vooch goes from being untradable and terrible about 3 months ago to the 3rd best offensive center in the league. I like Vooch, I have been one of the few that has defended him constantly on this channel. I don't care that he isn't an elite defender. He is a huge liability on that end. He is legit one of the worst defensive centers in the league. You might not think it matters at all, but it does to guys building teams. KAT, AD, Wemby, Sabonis, Sengun (just off the top of my head) are all guys imo are more skilled offensively than Vooch too.
Maybe if the Bulls had a decent GM, they could get a first rounder for Vuc
Vooch is 100% worth a 1st round pick. Elite Floor spacing big men are game changers and are rare. Plus he's a good passer, great rebounder and good offensive player all around. I think he's worth a young player and a 1st round pick.
A late first is not to much to ask. Now if we wanted a pick from hornets. I understand. But for a late first. He is worth that
Bulls NEED a young center in return not a random 1st round. Ayton's value is at an all time low. We should capitilize! Trade Vuc, jevon carter & duarte for Ayton & Rayan Rupert & 2 2nd rounds (or 1 top 10 protected 1st round)
For Blazers Vooch make zero sense. It have to be three team trade If you want Ayton, in my opinion.
@atsk3281 Clingan is great, but he's a project. He is a great defender, but he could learn so much from Vuc offensively. Vuc is a low maintenance star that, despite being 34, has played over 70 games in each of the last 4 seasons (Ayton has played over 60 games once in the last 4 seasons).For a 20 & 10 guy, vuc has a great contract he expires in 2 seasons when Blazers will be more able to compete. He is also a veteran who's a great example. He's a respected multi all star, a great professional, and could really help a young team with no culture or respected veterans to develop. Carter would also be a solid piece for them, he's also a great professional who just didn't get a role in the bulls due to the rising of white & ayo.
@atsk3281 How is that not a great deal for Portland? Ayton has clearly not worked out...He doesn't fit their timeline. They clearly drafter his replacement and he's got a headache of a contract, one of the worst in the nba for how he's performing.
Pelicans only!
@ciccio40105 Blazers have Clingan and Williams III for a backup. Why do they need Vooch and would give away a pick to get him? I don't think that Ayton's contract is that bad or long to do it.
Paul Reed was just waived by the pistons I think he would be a good addition for the bulls
I liked him coming out of college. He's developed a jumper since then.
I think a mid/late first round pick for bro is pretty fair, he's balling. Good video man
We want a 1st for Vucevic, Worth a 1st for Vucevic and the only team with Value for the Bulls is The New Orleans Pelicans swaping Ingram and their Milwaukee first. Packaging Carter & Duarte! This way we get a pick this year, and lose enough to keep our own pick sense Ingram will be out to the End of all-star weekend. That’s two 1st rd picks and a 2nd this year… We gain leverage this way! Anyone who doesn’t agree with this should read this twice👍 Pelicans a Playoff team with Vucevic and with Health and they need a center and we need what they can offer.
My resolutions? What are you even saying. And no, I don't agree so won't read it twice
@@BullsCentral2 firsts & a 2nd in this years draft… and Brandon Ingram… While staying 900K under the Tax,.. and The Pelicans need a Vucevic more than any other team. And they have the players that fit his output. You have no idea how to create a better outcome than that. That’s a well-rounded approach. Do better research.
Bro, you just said the Bulls should trade for Brandon Ingram as if that solves anything when you have to pay him next year and is a DeMar DeRozan redundancy, and then you tell me to do better research….lol ok
@BullsCentral So it doesn’t solve anything because we have to PAY HIM? The $ isn’t the issue… needing a dominant option @ PF, averaging 25/5 & 6 against every team in the Eastern conference is the issue. Not having enough DEPTH TO BENCH COBY is the issue. If you’re worried about paying him $36m you worried about the wrong thing. Resigning Lonzo could be $14m less that’s an additional $14m beyond B.I. Current $36m! Giddey is worth a 4/$60m that’ll still leave us $11m under the Tax considering THT & Craig which im sure we would agree to re-sign THT for that 3rd string rotation. Maybe leaving us with $8m. Just enough to get a Draft pick and a young 7-footer… all without going in the Tax… but getting B.I. Before the season ends, will provide useful proof if it’s worth going in the tax this summer IF need-be… it’s about Strategy! Giddey, Lavine, Williams, Ingram. Simple math.
Do you think the Grizzlies would part with GG Jackson and Marcus Smart plus 2025 1st round pick for Vooch and Torrey Craig?
Definitely not, that's too much for Vooch
@ I’m thinking the same so I would be willing to eliminate the 1st round pick and just take GG and Smart. Money should work.
I seriously doubt the Bulls will make any significant trades. Zach, Zo, and Vooch will remain past the deadline. The Bulls will have to give up their top draft pick this summer or next summer. Either way they will keep the team in tact and build onto what they have.
A first round pick is fine. It doesn’t have to be unprotected. You can get a protected 1st back
I don’t think so mannnn we been getting the back end of shitty trades for decades we always got players past there prime years AK stand on that business for Vuc we need a first round pick and whatever else we get
They aren't seeking too much, it's the intrested that are being too stingy. He is worth a 1st and a young a piece at the very least.
Can we really trust AKME to do it right? What they passed on could make this team better. Even with BILLY DONOVAN as head coach.
This gives me the vibe that even after what all those shitty decisions(the Zach to Portland one being especially freaking despicable😡)have led to, they still haven’t woken up and realized the error of their ways. Tired of this.
Bulls send Vucevic to the Warriors for Looney, Anderson and Waters +1 round pick.....Done Deal
I doubt we'd get a first but we'll see idk if I'm a team I ain't giving up a first for an expensive old big man like he's playing like an all star and he should get a first but I can see the bulls not getting a first tbh
No they are not, if they can’t get an expiring contract and at least one first round pick, pass on it.
Bro theres no way ppl are still hating on the Caruso trade like I get it we should've got some seconds but josh giddey is tuff and established and LITERALLY SO YOUNG like y'all are too harsh on him I loved the trade the moment it came through, did I want some seconds yes, was I happy about getting Giddey absolutely
So you even watch the games, or do you just check the stats. There is a reason why Billy refuses to play him in crunch time. He is a huge liability.
@@swaymcthunder1219 His ceiling is high
If the bulls trade Zach and Vooch for nothing but 2nd round picks. I’ll stop watching the team. And I watched some super bad teams
I question
Trade vucevic for a good wing big young or vet 1st or 2 second picks with a big or wing like cam Thomas or Johnson
U have no personality
Lavine+Vucevic - Gobert+Divincenzo
Absolute garbage trade, Timberwolves would need to attach 2 first round picks
Divincenzo is averaging like 8ppg shooting 35%. Gobert barely averages 10 &10 and his defense is only getting worse
It should be Trade Vuc, jevon carter & duarte for Portland's Ayton & Rayan Rupert & 2 2nd rounds (or 1 top 10 protected 1st round)
V u c and Lonzo for JULIUS randle