The 260, 289 and 302 were all slight increases from the original "Windsor" block that debuted in 1962, a 221 cubic inch engine. In 1968, the deck was raised to accommodate the longer stroke of the 351, and the 351 also has larger main journals than the 302. The 302 was also a 28.8 oz imbalance engine until 1983 model year cars, when 50 imbalance because standard on 302 engines. The 351 Windsor also came standard with roller cams beginning 1994, to only last until 1997. 302 lived untill 2001 in the Explorer.
Dang you mean to tell me the 351 is bigger than the 302?? Thanks man we would of never guessed. let me an neuro mustang do the schooling please and thank you... Don't forget to subscribe!!! Tell you mother , brother, and cousin too get the whole family to subscribe and like our foxbody taking y'all fools to school videos
Good video man, i got a little coupe with a 351 out of an e350 van with aluminum heads etc.... and when i mash the gas she leaves outa thar pretty gooood
??? Don't the 351 come with larger head bolt then the 302 . The are in the same location as the 302 . Why woukd you drill out the bolt side ? I'm confused.
@@Spad68 Your must be confused. He means the head bolt holes on 302 are 7/16th. The factory 351 head bolts are 1/2". He's saying you gotta drill out GT40 and stock 302 heads to fit the head bolts or studs FOR a 351 if you use them.
A trick I found when converting a fox body to a 351 order the oil pan pickup tube distributor and bracketed needed for a 89 crown Victoria police package it all drops right in a fox body
Nice video! I have a few things to add: Oil pan, oil pumps and windage trays also won’t interchange. The 351w dizzie is not only longer but more importantly the oil pump drive shaft is physically larger, meaning the hex drive is larger, so that isn’t interchangeable either. While camshafts can interchange it is important to note that a cam for a 302 won’t run the same in a 351. You can run a larger, ie longer duration cam in a 351, all things being the same, than you can in a 302. This can be advantageous if torque down low is important to you. Main journal bearings are larger so the bottom end is different and that’s important to know as well. The block is 75 pounds heavier so there might be a need to change strut springs out for heavier ones if you swap to 351. IMHO the 351 is far better for the strength of the bottom end than for the 50 cubes greater displacement. More headroom for higher power, it also longevity if not built too stout or horsed to hard at the track.
Also the timing cover will interchange between both engines. Motor mounts will also fit both. Thank you for the information you have provided, great channel.
Also, also, for my upper radiator hose, I had hood clearence issues with the factory hose and I ran an AutoZone radiator hose part no. D71626. (Saved that for future cause God it was hard to find a hose that worked... Lol)
For my street 1985 GT. I got my 351w to fit under the stock hood by using vert mounts, Pro Comp dual plane (Weiand Stealth knock-off), Holley with no spacer, stock dual snorkel air cleaner and cutting the brace out from the center part of the hood. I also have a couple washers between the hinges and the hood.
@@Neomustangs I know, I have the Super Victor 351W on mine, with a spacer to clear the rails, and a low profile Eldebrock elbow. Perfect but I have a 2.5" cowl. I put my buddies 90mm big tall unit on there and cracked the paint on my hood. No biggie, hood is cracked elsewhere, stupid old fiberglass. You know, they used to make an aluminum cowl hood for these cars, should have picked one up back in the day.
@@Neomustangs I'm glad im not the only one. I have 351W in a 89 GT. It looks like it was just thrown in there so I gotta go over there work. How much more power does the 351 have over the 302?
Crane Cams sold a conversion kit that came with the hold down spider and proper lifters and dogbones. The drivers side power steering and a/c brackets don't line up. I made a bracket to use them. Only issue is the battery tray now touches. Ford made a conversion bracket. I bought offset bushings for the rack and used convertible style engine mounts. I used the distributor from the lightning and put the right gear on it.
83-89 Crown Vic police cars had an optional 351. It's got the front mount pan, pickup, and a stock 4bbl intake. They do pop up in a pick a part once in a while. If you see a dark blue box Crown vic with dog dish hubcaps take a peek. If you're on a no budget rat rod build you save a few bucks.
I was thinking same thing. I just bought a 86 Vert and it is going to be 351. Already found a buddy with a 351 willing to part with it. Already on a stand and complete top to bottom.
Off the top of my head, in addition to what you mentioned, the heads from a 302 wont work unless you machine out the head bolt holes to accommodate the larger bolts the 351 requires. The crank is larger in the 351 also and wont swap over.
Great Video Man! Like to add Head bolts (351 1/2inch and 302 7/16s) are different. Plus lot of ford 302 heads will need to be drilled out to accept the bigger head bolts.
@@Neomustangs Oh thanks a lot man for checking it out. I'm still learning a lot of stuff but love these FoxBodys. My channel is a bit more corny/vlog style at times but I'm having fun.
Original accessory brackets can be used but the steel plate which hold the a/c compressor will need to be replaced by a 351w specific which is available from ford racing.
@@frogman7874 I have A/C????? The A/C Pump bolts to the power steering bracket via for bolts, the plate is just a brace and is overkill, un-needed weight, and in the way....
Some of the '95 351w came with a roller cam. I recently did a 351w swap on a 84 bronco ii and used a 351w out of a '95 f150. so to keep from having to purchase retro-fit roller lifters you can salvage one of those engine and just purchase a new cam.
I'm doing the same thing in New Zealand with a 1991 Fairlane (Australian made) and having all the same issues as a 351w foxbody swap. Great info and keep all the great content flowing. :)
I didn't scroll through comments to see if it was mentioned, but the oil pans are different as well. I'm running a 357W in my Fox. And I can attest to the tight fit of the headers. Not a lot of room. Additionally, even with a carburetor and convertible motor mounts, there is very little clearance under a stock hood with an air cleaner.
Never knew about your channel and that you guys were in NEO, I’m actually heading to Ashtabula tomorrow to pick myself up a 351w roller engine for my fox! Hope to see y’all around sometime!
just found a really good deal on a complete running 351 locally for $300 and was gonna jump on it, that's how I came across this video. It's not a FE block but I'm gonna convert. I was wondering what's all involved as far as what I can use and this vid helped alot. I just got a set of new to me aluminum heads (302) to use and a set of longtubes. I know I can make the heads work I'm just hoping the headers are still useful. I have a completely empty engine bay right now because I was shaving, filling and adding scott rod panels.
I'm old school.i like my carburated motors..my car in 1985 mustang...and I just bought myself a 1977 ford f 150 with the 351 Windsor...I'm hoping I can get some headers to fit the truck.....it hasn't arrived at my house yet...
Dude,can't believe this was that long ago.i just acquired a time capsule 91 lx with actual leather interior, 39k documented miles..problem is,it's the 4cyl..8 plug mill auto with the weeeeek rr.
I’m in the middle of a 427 build. One thing to know is going to a 408W using stock 351W block not an issue but a 427 means an even longer stroke so if you want a 427 generally better to go to Dart or Boss block. If you have existing turbo or supercharger From your 302 based motor you’ll need different brackets to mount to the 351W blocks it’s not direct swap. Depending on your rotating assembly the 351W could be either 28oz -or- 0 oz balancer Oil pick up and oil pump (and shaft) are different than 302 as well so Budget for new oiling system. Most Budget way to do swap is get a running motor and throw a turbo or SC on it. Otherwise plan on spending some coin
I have a question for you, you briefly touched on roller cams. I'm a bit confused, I bought a 1995 351W roller engine on eBay (F4TE casting), but haven't started tearing into it yet. You said you have to drill the two holes for the dog bone bracket; but if the engine is a factory roller engine, shouldn't that be done from the factory? If not, how are the roller lifters held in place from the factory on these? Thanks! Your videos have been immensely helpful with planning my project, absolutely subscribed to your channel!
late 1993 to 1997 f-150 to f-250 and vans and comerical flete all had f4t3 roller 351w engine and there are alot in junkyards, so there are plenty of F4TE 351w roller engines avilable ,thats where i got mine 827hp 760tq turbo motor.
Just make sure you have the block checked at the cam bearings...notorious for cracking from the factory! www.corral.net/threads/must-read-psa-for-windsor-roller-block-guys.1352369/
Even in a carb 302 setup if your going for performance, using a phonlic spacer, performer RPM type intake and a diecent sized air cleaner you will still need a small cowl hood. Most people out there slap on Victor Jr intakes which make the fitment issue worse. Main reason cowl hoods were popular back in the day were that EFI to carb swaps were very popular and for a performance/race oriented carb induction, the stock hood wouldn't due. That being the case for a 302, a taller 351 with a diecent street/strip carb build fitting under the stock hood is very unlikely.
I put a 460 in my fox. I used a Nascar lower air cleaner. It dropped the air cleaner all the way around the carburetor. Under a 3.5" cowl. Car was quick. But dosent matter its not a 351.
Hey buddy!! I kn it's been a minute since you did this video, but what size was the drill bit n threader size did you use for the 351 Dog bone you drilled n tapped? I'm getting ready to build my 10th Mustang. I thout I was out of the pony's for yr's n the more I seen, the more I wanted another n I went n got a 89 coupe turtle back. Had some goodies on it but I am wanting to do a 351 stroker this time n I am goin with a novi 2000 with a Css blow thru carb, the 347 I built was very strong for a NA car on a stock block. Thanks for all the video's buddy! I will have to play catch up on all the one's you have done.
Going to need a new transmission too. All that torque is going to break it lol! I just got my swap kinda done for now...stock 302 with ball drive Paxton to 393 Lightning roller stroker...never looking back as the 351 block is so much stronger. You really don't have a choice with the 302 unless you step up to Dart/Boss if you want to go north of 550. I know, I know people have had them live but I have seen stock 351W shortblocks make 1000 hp. Not pushing mine north of 650-700 but just saying...
Stock sn95 front drive and timing cover waterpump bolt up without the need of the ford racing adapter brackets for the fox but the ac lines and bulkhead connector at the compressor are different for the sn Energy suspension mounts I believe are the aftermarket equivalent to the shorter oem convertible engine mounts. Various efi intakes naturally have different heights but with gt40 and cobras I believe being the shortest with using a stock hood and possibly kmember spacers
If you use sn95 front accessory brackets you need to use a sn95 timing cover as well because they are a different width than the foxbody. If you use the foxbody timing cover and sn95 brackets your waterpump will not be aligned with the rest of the accessories.
I used the solid drop motor mounts and a solid transmission mount. Works good. I need to lower my front sway bar too. The pan is REAL CLOSE, without the drop mounts it probably would be better. I was trying to fit it all under the stock hood. However the Victor Jr intake, phenolic spacer, and Holley 750 still didn't. I take the hood off when it has an air filter on it. My plan is a Spectre carb hat, build a 4" fenderwell cold air intake, and cut the hood to clear the carb hat.
Yeah, if you're not running PS then it's not a problem, and I might could have trimmed it,but I didn't feel comfortable with trimming it and it being that close to the battery. But whatever works for who's ever car it is! That's what makes this game fun, building it your way.
@@nathancurtis2112 I agree. The PS pump i used i had to modify the ford racing relocation pump bracket set (replaces AC spot) to make 351 work but it wasnt a big deal.
What bout t5? I have a 95 gt that I’m currently doing a 351 swap on I have about everything I need but haven’t getting the crank pulley/ damper and flywheels yet due to being unsure on that to get exactly
Pretty sure you are correct about the 351W roller coming out in 94. On the roller lifter 302 blocks, the lifter bores are taller than the non-roller. If you use the dog bones on a non roller 302 block, the lifters can rotate and wipe out your cam. Not sure if this is the same for a non-roller 351. So, I would be hesitant to to run anything other than link bar lifters in any non roller block. Thunderhead289 explains it in this video: ruclips.net/video/fukZI8CIG6g/видео.html. Skip to about 8:25 to see it.
I'm finishing up a 351W build in my 88 fox. I have an Edelbrock super victor intake with an Edelbrock intake elbow (overall height is 7.75") EFI application. Would you happen to know what size I would need for a cowl hood? I'm using stock k member at the moment. I did some measuring and it look like I would need a 4" cowl. I want to double check because I don't want to get anything that is too big if I can avoid it.
Advice on starters? Thats the last piece I need to figure out. I have a 351w with a 157 tooth flywheel and a T5 (for now ha) and can't seem to figure out what starter ill need..
Dude..im so glad I came across your channel and so far the content has been really helpful and actually I have a 86 double eye fox that I'm building a 30 over 351c from a 70's block and wondering about the fitment of it as in will I run into alot of problems. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
@@jamesdelavan9573 thanks...I know that in Alabama and we tend to call them both "4-eyed " and "Double eye'd" but it's 1 in the same IMO. I've owned 8 over the years..but Thanks for the info 👍🏽
Just did a sbf Boss 427 crate swap. My main concern was keeping stock hood. Well, that did not happen. Had to go Cobra r hood and that only clears throttle body by 1/4 inch. ( Has to be a way to get it down to at least a 2 inch cowl. Went trickflow R intake. Thinking maybe I should of went carb style efi.
I know the 5.8L is larger and more powerful, but I didn't there were that many differences internally. I might swap that with the 302 (non-HO, because the Mustang had the better HO version) out of my 1989 LTD Crown Victoria LX to bypass the so-called 500hp limit, plus the police counterparts did have that, but I don't know if the 351 is EFI or not.
I was curious... Yeah nope... I'd say a stroker crank is the cheaper easier way to add 45ci... This is the kinda stuff that swayed me to GM 5.0 to 5.7 or even 6.6 is direct bolt zero changes not this mess of mods. Thanks for the heads up lol.
Can a 351w fit a stock Foxbody🐎 K-member? Or does it fit different depending the year of the engine? I heard certain engines have a problem with oil pan.
Older foxes like my 83 had a much larger diameter brake booster which will interfere with engine clearence. Have to use the smaller newer ones, and if it's like my 83 was, you'll have to clearence the strut tower for the newer one as it's longer overall and doesn't have that spot clearenced for it like the newer foxes.
@@sbf_fox2434 idk what year they changed it, or if you had the same booster mine originally had, but my car had a huge pancake booster. It was much flatter than the newer boosters but much larger in diameter. I had a tubular k member and solid drop mounts and stock mustang efi valve covers still wouldn't clear the brake booster. I have pictures of the ENTIRE process on my phone from when I did it. I like to do progress albums of my cars😁
Turbo for sure and it doesn't make boost all the time like a Supercharger. Easier on the crank. Out of the hole a Supercharger will make power sooner, but once the Turbo builds boost you will fly by the Supercharged car.
I have a 351w 2 barrel engine im going to rebuild and stroke it as well maybe a turbo maybe 2. I'm looking for a 88 to 89 gt hatch auto roller so I can build my ultimate sleeper for a roller I'm only gonna pay 500 for roller because 10plus years ago my dad bought a running and driving 88 gt auto hatch for 100 but I know times change but my price is firm so lmk what yall find no manual I prefer to stay on gas while others shift doesn't mean I cant drive one just dont want one
You can run yr 302 camshaft in a 351 but ya have to run yr 302 firing order I've done it in non ecm apps is that how you use same ecm 302-351 in yours neo or do you just reroute yr injection harness ??I didn't see this in any other comments ?thx neo ✌️
Man, great vid. Definitely helped. Do you have experience converting a stock 302 to a BOSS 302? I swapped a stock 302 into my 65’ mustang coupe. Wanting to put a BOSS 302 block in. Know anyone who’s done this conversion?
@@Neomustangs Grabbed a new BOSS 302 block, SCAT 347 striker kit, stage 2 cam, AFR 195cc heads/58cc combustion chamber, 90mm Trick Flow intake, and a ton other stuff. Assembling the bottom end next week... will lyk how it goes. 🤙🏽
Ok so I have a question I've got a 91 s10 with a 302 out of a 91 f150 I've put gt40 pro heads on it long tube headers tsp ready to run distributor flame thrower coil 1100 cfm demon carb tsp high rise intake. I'm still running the stock internals and cam the stock auto trans out of the 91 f150 could u tell me if there is any thing I need to change building a grudge drag truck any info will be grateful
What are you running for your computer? I've read the a9l will work but will cause the 351 to run super lean. I pulled my 351 out of a 89 f250, I pulled the computer and harness from that truck. Would that work ? Or would I be better off buying a new computer?
What about fitment issues with k members? I am going to try and use a Griggs racing but is there k members that fit better or are a complete headache compared to others? Or should I just stick to stock k member
I LOVE Fords, but they have always made it very difficult to upgrade engines, swap engines especially modified engines to other vehicles. You need to have a Ford degree, that's how complicated it can get. This is why the general masses have always flocked to GM. Most everything interchangeable, It still doesn't make me a GM fan, I love my FORDS, and it takes a lot more work to modify a Ford motor, so many things you need to know, nothing is a given like on GMs. But if you can strive to achieve the knowledge you need to put together a magnificent Ford engine. I believe it will be a satisfying and worthwhile task.
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The 260, 289 and 302 were all slight increases from the original "Windsor" block that debuted in 1962, a 221 cubic inch engine. In 1968, the deck was raised to accommodate the longer stroke of the 351, and the 351 also has larger main journals than the 302. The 302 was also a 28.8 oz imbalance engine until 1983 model year cars, when 50 imbalance because standard on 302 engines. The 351 Windsor also came standard with roller cams beginning 1994, to only last until 1997. 302 lived untill 2001 in the Explorer.
Dang you mean to tell me the 351 is bigger than the 302?? Thanks man we would of never guessed. let me an neuro mustang do the schooling please and thank you... Don't forget to subscribe!!! Tell you mother , brother, and cousin too get the whole family to subscribe and like our foxbody taking y'all fools to school videos
Good video man, i got a little coupe with a 351 out of an e350 van with aluminum heads etc.... and when i mash the gas she leaves outa thar pretty gooood
Very nice!
351W specific Headers are recommended.
302 W heads can be used on 351W but the 302 head bolt opening will require drilling to 1/2 inch bolt.
Right
??? Don't the 351 come with larger head bolt then the 302 . The are in the same location as the 302 . Why woukd you drill out the bolt side ? I'm confused.
@@Spad68 Your must be confused. He means the head bolt holes on 302 are 7/16th. The factory 351 head bolts are 1/2". He's saying you gotta drill out GT40 and stock 302 heads to fit the head bolts or studs FOR a 351 if you use them.
@@Neomustangs OK. Lol
After rereading his post . That's what I figured it was .
Thank you sr.
Yw !
A trick I found when converting a fox body to a 351 order the oil pan pickup tube distributor and bracketed needed for a 89 crown Victoria police package it all drops right in a fox body
You always have a video for everything I need! I decided to 351w swap my fox lol
Nice video! I have a few things to add:
Oil pan, oil pumps and windage trays also won’t interchange. The 351w dizzie is not only longer but more importantly the oil pump drive shaft is physically larger, meaning the hex drive is larger, so that isn’t interchangeable either.
While camshafts can interchange it is important to note that a cam for a 302 won’t run the same in a 351. You can run a larger, ie longer duration cam in a 351, all things being the same, than you can in a 302. This can be advantageous if torque down low is important to you.
Main journal bearings are larger so the bottom end is different and that’s important to know as well. The block is 75 pounds heavier so there might be a need to change strut springs out for heavier ones if you swap to 351. IMHO the 351 is far better for the strength of the bottom end than for the 50 cubes greater displacement. More headroom for higher power, it also longevity if not built too stout or horsed to hard at the track.
Crown vic salvage
Subbed.. binge watching your videos. Building my first fox and you're filled with knowledge. Awesome work!
Thanks ! And wLevine!
^ same here have my first fox body and still new to it all lots of info
Also the timing cover will interchange between both engines. Motor mounts will also fit both. Thank you for the information you have provided, great channel.
Ya I focused the most on stuff that didn’t. There’s a lot of it
Awesome channel subscribes about a year ago. Long time fox body owner I have three. Love all the content you do Keep up the great work brother
Awesome! Thank you!
Thanks guy, we'll keep em coming,!
That is freaking awesome , can't wait to do more upgrades on mine , put on hold for last 20 years ,to many kids lol
I get it !
Your car is the reason why I'm converting to a 351 with a on3 turbo, keep putting up videos, if you have parts for sale let me know lol
Ok man and thx
Also, also, for my upper radiator hose, I had hood clearence issues with the factory hose and I ran an AutoZone radiator hose part no. D71626. (Saved that for future cause God it was hard to find a hose that worked... Lol)
Thanks for sharing
@@Neomustangs np😁
Thanks for making this, I was mulling over the idea of a 351 too. Seems a little more involved than I thought.
Its pretty involved. It hought same thing when i first started.. then i was like ugh
Nothing that money can’t fix :)
@@dk2190 or time, I am just finishing a LS swap with my son into his 88 Iroc, so ready to upgrade a foxbody now.
I think you're doing a great job with the channel man !!! We'd probably be best buddies if we were in the same state lol cheers man🍻🍻🍻🍻
That would be cool
Yea, Y'all look like y'all would make a good couple...
Lol always a dick face in the bunch 🤣!!
I would love to meet you i live in ohio hope to run in to you soon ive been working on a 92 fox body my self
Don’t nobody wanna be friends with someone named Hitman. 👻
For my street 1985 GT. I got my 351w to fit under the stock hood by using vert mounts, Pro Comp dual plane (Weiand Stealth knock-off), Holley with no spacer, stock dual snorkel air cleaner and cutting the brace out from the center part of the hood. I also have a couple washers between the hinges and the hood.
Ya the carb 351 isn’t all that hard. This efi intake I use is about as bad as it comes lol
@@Neomustangs I know, I have the Super Victor 351W on mine, with a spacer to clear the rails, and a low profile Eldebrock elbow. Perfect but I have a 2.5" cowl. I put my buddies 90mm big tall unit on there and cracked the paint on my hood. No biggie, hood is cracked elsewhere, stupid old fiberglass.
You know, they used to make an aluminum cowl hood for these cars, should have picked one up back in the day.
@@Neomustangs I'm glad im not the only one. I have 351W in a 89 GT. It looks like it was just thrown in there so I gotta go over there work. How much more power does the 351 have over the 302?
@@osoblizz7937 Stock they have about the same, 351W makes more torque. But Heads Cam Intake makes a bid difference and makes more that an HCI 5.0
Crane Cams sold a conversion kit that came with the hold down spider and proper lifters and dogbones. The drivers side power steering and a/c brackets don't line up. I made a bracket to use them. Only issue is the battery tray now touches. Ford made a conversion bracket. I bought offset bushings for the rack and used convertible style engine mounts. I used the distributor from the lightning and put the right gear on it.
Nice thanks terry
83-89 Crown Vic police cars had an optional 351. It's got the front mount pan, pickup, and a stock 4bbl intake. They do pop up in a pick a part once in a while. If you see a dark blue box Crown vic with dog dish hubcaps take a peek. If you're on a no budget rat rod build you save a few bucks.
Thx
Bro, as always you are right on time!! I just got a 351 and I’m looking at what I need to do. Thanks for for this and keep up the great work!!
Thanks! Will do!
I was thinking same thing. I just bought a 86 Vert and it is going to be 351. Already found a buddy with a 351 willing to part with it. Already on a stand and complete top to bottom.
Off the top of my head, in addition to what you mentioned, the heads from a 302 wont work unless you machine out the head bolt holes to accommodate the larger bolts the 351 requires. The crank is larger in the 351 also and wont swap over.
Yes
Bought my Drop top summer time . Red . White . 342. Holbrook. It’s super powerful for street . Smokes the tires at 65 roll . No need for 351. In fox .
When you make 600 there is
Great Video Man! Like to add Head bolts (351 1/2inch and 302 7/16s) are different. Plus lot of ford 302 heads will need to be drilled out to accept the bigger head bolts.
Right
The stock hood is probably the biggest issue for me as I really like the stock hood look. Thanks for making this vid.
Yw man. I actually started watching yoru channel lately! That coupe SSP build very interested!
@@Neomustangs Oh thanks a lot man for checking it out. I'm still learning a lot of stuff but love these FoxBodys. My channel is a bit more corny/vlog style at times but I'm having fun.
@@justinatkinson5265 LOL, yup that's pretty much my personality 😁
@@justinatkinson5265 LOL no problem man. Have a great night!
Oh and for a distributor, I used a distributor for a 1989 f150 351w(just make sure to change the distributor gear for a hardened gear)
nice!
@@Neomustangs thx😁
@@Miss__Victoria Yes sirrrr
Original accessory brackets can be used but the steel plate which hold the a/c compressor will need to be replaced by a 351w specific which is available from ford racing.
I never run that plate, 302 or 351. It's over kill and in the way when adjusting timing.
Expo
True . But for the people who want the a/c they will be happy to know their is a bracket for them. Hard core guys no need for this bracket.
@@frogman7874 I have A/C????? The A/C Pump bolts to the power steering bracket via for bolts, the plate is just a brace and is overkill, un-needed weight, and in the way....
@@Miss__Victoria Dang you could have saved me 45 bucks a while back lol....
@@robertelmo7736 lol
Some of the '95 351w came with a roller cam. I recently did a 351w swap on a 84 bronco ii and used a 351w out of a '95 f150. so to keep from having to purchase retro-fit roller lifters you can salvage one of those engine and just purchase a new cam.
Thats right.
I'm doing the same thing in New Zealand with a 1991 Fairlane (Australian made) and having all the same issues as a 351w foxbody swap. Great info and keep all the great content flowing. :)
Thanks for sharing
Did you end up swapping it
Good overall video. Definitely enough information for someone deciding on the swap.
THank you !
I didn't scroll through comments to see if it was mentioned, but the oil pans are different as well.
I'm running a 357W in my Fox. And I can attest to the tight fit of the headers. Not a lot of room.
Additionally, even with a carburetor and convertible motor mounts, there is very little clearance under a stock hood with an air cleaner.
Yes 👍
Never knew about your channel and that you guys were in NEO, I’m actually heading to Ashtabula tomorrow to pick myself up a 351w roller engine for my fox! Hope to see y’all around sometime!
Good luck!! Where did you get it from? LOL
I have a 351 in my blue coupe. I had to get a 4” cowl. I love your cars brother
Thx man !
@ ALEX
a 2” cowl won’t work?
just found a really good deal on a complete running 351 locally for $300 and was gonna jump on it, that's how I came across this video. It's not a FE block but I'm gonna convert. I was wondering what's all involved as far as what I can use and this vid helped alot. I just got a set of new to me aluminum heads (302) to use and a set of longtubes. I know I can make the heads work I'm just hoping the headers are still useful. I have a completely empty engine bay right now because I was shaving, filling and adding scott rod panels.
Nice! theres a lot to it. more than people think.
You’re awesome!! First time viewer and I greatly appreciate your channel and the info, thank you!!
Welcome!
Good tip to lower your 351W a bit is k-member spacers. Different manufacturers sell different thicknesses of spacers. Team Z maximum Motorsport’s etc.
Good tip!
Maximum motorsports also offer k member spacers !
luis puentes
Yes they do part number MMKM-20 $69.99
I'm old school.i like my carburated motors..my car in 1985 mustang...and I just bought myself a 1977 ford f 150 with the 351 Windsor...I'm hoping I can get some headers to fit the truck.....it hasn't arrived at my house yet...
Nice!
I put a 351w with a c-6 transmission from a Lincoln Versailles in my foxbody.Tons of power&torque.
C6 is heavy but strong.
@@Neomustangs Direct fit and indeed strong took lots of abuse from me
Great informative video. I don't know much about engines but you were able to explain and breakdown to be understandable. 👍🏾
Thank you!
Dude,can't believe this was that long ago.i just acquired a time capsule 91 lx with actual leather interior, 39k documented miles..problem is,it's the 4cyl..8 plug mill auto with the weeeeek rr.
Nice man!
I’m in the middle of a 427 build. One thing to know is going to a 408W using stock 351W block not an issue but a 427 means an even longer stroke so if you want a 427 generally better to go to Dart or Boss block.
If you have existing turbo or supercharger From your 302 based motor you’ll need different brackets to mount to the 351W blocks it’s not direct swap.
Depending on your rotating assembly the 351W could be either 28oz -or- 0 oz balancer
Oil pick up and oil pump (and shaft) are different than 302 as well so Budget for new oiling system.
Most Budget way to do swap is get a running motor and throw a turbo or SC on it. Otherwise plan on spending some coin
Thx for the info!!!!
I have a question for you, you briefly touched on roller cams. I'm a bit confused, I bought a 1995 351W roller engine on eBay (F4TE casting), but haven't started tearing into it yet. You said you have to drill the two holes for the dog bone bracket; but if the engine is a factory roller engine, shouldn't that be done from the factory? If not, how are the roller lifters held in place from the factory on these?
Thanks! Your videos have been immensely helpful with planning my project, absolutely subscribed to your channel!
F4te is already set up for roller yes
@@Neomustangs Awesome, that's great to hear. Thanks for the response brother!
late 1993 to 1997 f-150 to f-250 and vans and comerical flete all had f4t3 roller 351w engine and there are alot in junkyards, so there are plenty of F4TE 351w roller engines avilable ,thats where i got mine 827hp 760tq turbo motor.
THx for info.
Just make sure you have the block checked at the cam bearings...notorious for cracking from the factory!
www.corral.net/threads/must-read-psa-for-windsor-roller-block-guys.1352369/
What’s your combo turbo man? What kind of car is it?
Good info thank you , definitely helped clear up any doubts 👍
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for the info! Love the channel
Thanks for watching!
Even in a carb 302 setup if your going for performance, using a phonlic spacer, performer RPM type intake and a diecent sized air cleaner you will still need a small cowl hood. Most people out there slap on Victor Jr intakes which make the fitment issue worse. Main reason cowl hoods were popular back in the day were that EFI to carb swaps were very popular and for a performance/race oriented carb induction, the stock hood wouldn't due. That being the case for a 302, a taller 351 with a diecent street/strip carb build fitting under the stock hood is very unlikely.
Yep I agree
Yep I agree
Got it! But MY choices for the 90 gt convertible ( 150K leaky rear main) are 5.0, 351W, and '70 351C 4V. Hmmm.
Great video with good info, please make more informational videos
More to come!
@@Neomustangs good deal as i am about to start a Windsor swap soon
Kaufmann Engineering So Cal has affordable kits for 351w 351c 429 460.. tons of room
Dam should get a Cleveland. I had a Cleveland and I would tap the gas and 100 instantly
I put a 460 in my fox. I used a Nascar lower air cleaner. It dropped the air cleaner all the way around the carburetor. Under a 3.5" cowl. Car was quick. But dosent matter its not a 351.
Wow 460?
@@Neomustangs yes it was a motorsports svo 460 from the Ford racing catalog. 550hp version.
I've owned 3 mustangs all foxes and the first thing I do is yank the 302 and in goes a early 70s blocked 351w
Hey buddy!! I kn it's been a minute since you did this video, but what size was the drill bit n threader size did you use for the 351 Dog bone you drilled n tapped? I'm getting ready to build my 10th Mustang. I thout I was out of the pony's for yr's n the more I seen, the more I wanted another n I went n got a 89 coupe turtle back. Had some goodies on it but I am wanting to do a 351 stroker this time n I am goin with a novi 2000 with a Css blow thru carb, the 347 I built was very strong for a NA car on a stock block. Thanks for all the video's buddy! I will have to play catch up on all the one's you have done.
Just an fyi 93 to 97 351w engines are roller.. im putting together a 93 Windsor right now its an fe
That’s right. F4TE..
Love the video and info too btw great info!!!!
Going to need a new transmission too. All that torque is going to break it lol!
I just got my swap kinda done for now...stock 302 with ball drive Paxton to 393 Lightning roller stroker...never looking back as the 351 block is so much stronger. You really don't have a choice with the 302 unless you step up to Dart/Boss if you want to go north of 550. I know, I know people have had them live but I have seen stock 351W shortblocks make 1000 hp. Not pushing mine north of 650-700 but just saying...
i agree completely.
Stock sn95 front drive and timing cover waterpump bolt up without the need of the ford racing adapter brackets for the fox but the ac lines and bulkhead connector at the compressor are different for the sn
Energy suspension mounts I believe are the aftermarket equivalent to the shorter oem convertible engine mounts.
Various efi intakes naturally have different heights but with gt40 and cobras I believe being the shortest with using a stock hood and possibly kmember spacers
Yes your correct
If you use sn95 front accessory brackets you need to use a sn95 timing cover as well because they are a different width than the foxbody. If you use the foxbody timing cover and sn95 brackets your waterpump will not be aligned with the rest of the accessories.
Thanks for the video. Good stuff
Yes sir
Thanks for the short and to the point video. What is your thought on drop solid motor mounts and k member spacers?
I like it. I couldnt use it on one of my cars.. rack was in teh way!?
I used the solid drop motor mounts and a solid transmission mount. Works good. I need to lower my front sway bar too. The pan is REAL CLOSE, without the drop mounts it probably would be better. I was trying to fit it all under the stock hood. However the Victor Jr intake, phenolic spacer, and Holley 750 still didn't. I take the hood off when it has an air filter on it. My plan is a Spectre carb hat, build a 4" fenderwell cold air intake, and cut the hood to clear the carb hat.
Another good video, naturally!😉
Ty
Also if you use stock accessory brackets, you have to relocate the battery. The power steering pump lands where the battery tray sits.
I used the stock ones on my black car.. didnt have to move battery. I did use the relocation kit for PS in place of AC tho.
I didn't have to relocate it but had to do some trimming.
Yeah, if you're not running PS then it's not a problem, and I might could have trimmed it,but I didn't feel comfortable with trimming it and it being that close to the battery. But whatever works for who's ever car it is! That's what makes this game fun, building it your way.
@@terrycarter8929 yes
@@nathancurtis2112 I agree. The PS pump i used i had to modify the ford racing relocation pump bracket set (replaces AC spot) to make 351 work but it wasnt a big deal.
What bout t5? I have a 95 gt that I’m currently doing a 351 swap on I have about everything I need but haven’t getting the crank pulley/ damper and flywheels yet due to being unsure on that to get exactly
Saleen mustang had 351w in the fox body back in the days with a supercharger on it 351 w are tall Deck 289 blocks
Ah yes.
S351 those things were fast too
Thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
No problem Dan. Wish there was a way to just chat w you
It’s all good. Hit me up on Facebook or messenger
Pretty sure you are correct about the 351W roller coming out in 94. On the roller lifter 302 blocks, the lifter bores are taller than the non-roller. If you use the dog bones on a non roller 302 block, the lifters can rotate and wipe out your cam. Not sure if this is the same for a non-roller 351. So, I would be hesitant to to run anything other than link bar lifters in any non roller block. Thunderhead289 explains it in this video: ruclips.net/video/fukZI8CIG6g/видео.html. Skip to about 8:25 to see it.
thx
I'm finishing up a 351W build in my 88 fox. I have an Edelbrock super victor intake with an Edelbrock intake elbow (overall height is 7.75") EFI application. Would you happen to know what size I would need for a cowl hood? I'm using stock k member at the moment. I did some measuring and it look like I would need a 4" cowl. I want to double check because I don't want to get anything that is too big if I can avoid it.
Advice on starters? Thats the last piece I need to figure out. I have a 351w with a 157 tooth flywheel and a T5 (for now ha) and can't seem to figure out what starter ill need..
What fly wheel?
Dude..im so glad I came across your channel and so far the content has been really helpful and actually I have a 86 double eye fox that I'm building a 30 over 351c from a 70's block and wondering about the fitment of it as in will I run into alot of problems. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
It’s covered pretty well in video and in comments. Lots chimed in to help complete the video. And thanks ! For sub!
Sorry, but it's called a 4 eyed mustang not double eye.
@@jamesdelavan9573 thanks...I know that in Alabama and we tend to call them both "4-eyed " and "Double eye'd" but it's 1 in the same IMO. I've owned 8 over the years..but Thanks for the info 👍🏽
Just did a sbf Boss 427 crate swap. My main concern was keeping stock hood.
Well, that did not happen. Had to go Cobra r hood and that only clears throttle body by 1/4 inch. (
Has to be a way to get it down to at least a 2 inch cowl. Went trickflow R intake.
Thinking maybe I should of went carb style efi.
Ya clearance isssues are the devil
I thought I saw an order video talking about doing a stroker in the 351w after you bent a rod? Was that the plan or future content?
Its one of the cars yes. THeres actually 3 cars i do here on tube channel. Soon to be 4 different ones.
Awesome info 👌🔥🔥
Thank you 🙌
I know the 5.8L is larger and more powerful, but I didn't there were that many differences internally. I might swap that with the 302 (non-HO, because the Mustang had the better HO version) out of my 1989 LTD Crown Victoria LX to bypass the so-called 500hp limit, plus the police counterparts did have that, but I don't know if the 351 is EFI or not.
Ya 351 is the big brother of the 302 sbf for sure. However never really came with fancy forged parts really or cams
GREAT INFO !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for watching!
Good info👍
Thanks 👍
Great knowledge!
Ty !
dyno dyno dyno neo . i want to see that that new motor light off, wewwwwwweeeeeeeeeee.
You have a suprise coming!
I want to know what heads and CR slownate is using on his 427. That notch is Bad A
@@dk2190 Ill do a video
Been there done that 377 cu stroker in 1993 Cobra 15 years 😁
Lol
@@Neomustangs thanks bud. 😁
Rock on bro. Send it!!
I was curious... Yeah nope... I'd say a stroker crank is the cheaper easier way to add 45ci... This is the kinda stuff that swayed me to GM 5.0 to 5.7 or even 6.6 is direct bolt zero changes not this mess of mods. Thanks for the heads up lol.
Great point!
You can drop a 460 bbf no problem in a fox body. Not a problem did it many times in mid 80s
79-85 mustang 302s were 28oz balance they changed to 50oz balance 302s in 86’.
Yep
Can a 351w fit a stock Foxbody🐎 K-member? Or does it fit different depending the year of the engine? I heard certain engines have a problem with oil pan.
"When referring to deck height, we're talking about how tall the deck is" yes water is wet
Yes. How tall the deck is on the engine. 8.2 is 302. 9.4 is 351
@@Neomustangs I just thought it was funny like the saying, you tell its that way because of how it is
Older foxes like my 83 had a much larger diameter brake booster which will interfere with engine clearence. Have to use the smaller newer ones, and if it's like my 83 was, you'll have to clearence the strut tower for the newer one as it's longer overall and doesn't have that spot clearenced for it like the newer foxes.
Thx!
The stock booster worked fine on my 85 GT. I am running vert mounts and stock 85 GT valve covers.
@@sbf_fox2434 idk what year they changed it, or if you had the same booster mine originally had, but my car had a huge pancake booster. It was much flatter than the newer boosters but much larger in diameter. I had a tubular k member and solid drop mounts and stock mustang efi valve covers still wouldn't clear the brake booster. I have pictures of the ENTIRE process on my phone from when I did it. I like to do progress albums of my cars😁
I got hydroboost off a Lincoln mark series. 1983 I think?
@@terrycarter8929 that's cool, didn't know hydroboost went back that far in the years
You could just stroke the 302 to 347. Keep everything from the 302, if you wish, and fitment in the Fox body wouldn’t be a problem.
Sure but block strength and longevity are superior with a 351
I did a 347 with 351w heads and you can see the difference in heads
Nice ?
Looking at doing this swap with a 95 351 out of a lightning. What balancer did you use and do the stock 5 liter alt and power steering brackets work ?
Is the bell housing bolt pattern and everything to do with the clutch alignment the same?
So you drove the tubro and supercharger what you like better and what gave you more power just adding it .
Turbo
Turbo for sure and it doesn't make boost all the time like a Supercharger. Easier on the crank. Out of the hole a Supercharger will make power sooner, but once the Turbo builds boost you will fly by the Supercharged car.
great info
So im issuing this without having read the comments, if you us 351w swap headers it will locate the collector where it will hit the stock h pipe
Yes that is correct
I have a 351w 2 barrel engine im going to rebuild and stroke it as well maybe a turbo maybe 2. I'm looking for a 88 to 89 gt hatch auto roller so I can build my ultimate sleeper for a roller I'm only gonna pay 500 for roller because 10plus years ago my dad bought a running and driving 88 gt auto hatch for 100 but I know times change but my price is firm so lmk what yall find no manual I prefer to stay on gas while others shift doesn't mean I cant drive one just dont want one
Ah I get it.
You can run yr 302 camshaft in a 351 but ya have to run yr 302 firing order I've done it in non ecm apps is that how you use same ecm 302-351 in yours neo or do you just reroute yr injection harness ??I didn't see this in any other comments ?thx neo ✌️
Pretty sure i mentioned it.
If your fox was 302 instead of 351 what would be the power difference between the 2. Thanks
Its definately a difference but more strength than anything.
Man, great vid. Definitely helped. Do you have experience converting a stock 302 to a BOSS 302? I swapped a stock 302 into my 65’ mustang coupe. Wanting to put a BOSS 302 block in. Know anyone who’s done this conversion?
Boss 302 is usually an aftermarket thing now. Unless you have an old OLD boss one.
@@Neomustangs Grabbed a new BOSS 302 block, SCAT 347 striker kit, stage 2 cam, AFR 195cc heads/58cc combustion chamber, 90mm Trick Flow intake, and a ton other stuff. Assembling the bottom end next week... will lyk how it goes. 🤙🏽
Off topic but where is the best place to have a ECM repaired. Or do you have a spare A9P laying around?
I do, but there is a place on ebay that does an exchanged for like 200? its pretty legit business.
Thank you. You dont happen to know the name or seller?
What's you thought on a combination of filling a block main girdle and a oil valley girdle
Depends on HP level? Its not worth it less you trying to achieve somethign astronomical.
@@Neomustangs was trying to shoot for 800
@@Neomustangs oh what's the belt pulley and bracket setup
Very informative.
Thx joe.
Ok so I have a question I've got a 91 s10 with a 302 out of a 91 f150 I've put gt40 pro heads on it long tube headers tsp ready to run distributor flame thrower coil 1100 cfm demon carb tsp high rise intake. I'm still running the stock internals and cam the stock auto trans out of the 91 f150 could u tell me if there is any thing I need to change building a grudge drag truck any info will be grateful
Wrong channel bud, we're talking about building and swapping motors in foxbody aka ford's not chevrolet trucks aka junk
Would you trust the 351w block more than a 302 when it comes to splitting in high hp?
Yes
So it would be about the same if you have everything for a 302 to get a better 302 block.
No
What are you running for your computer? I've read the a9l will work but will cause the 351 to run super lean. I pulled my 351 out of a 89 f250, I pulled the computer and harness from that truck. Would that work ? Or would I be better off buying a new computer?
A9L
What about fitment issues with k members? I am going to try and use a Griggs racing but is there k members that fit better or are a complete headache compared to others? Or should I just stick to stock k member
Give it a shot. Never heard of it
I LOVE Fords, but they have always made it very difficult to upgrade engines, swap engines especially modified engines to other vehicles. You need to have a Ford degree, that's how complicated it can get. This is why the general masses have always flocked to GM. Most everything interchangeable, It still doesn't make me a GM fan, I love my FORDS, and it takes a lot more work to modify a Ford motor, so many things you need to know, nothing is a given like on GMs. But if you can strive to achieve the knowledge you need to put together a magnificent Ford engine. I believe it will be a satisfying and worthwhile task.