Leeseo & the dangers of debuting as a young k-pop idol
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if an older male idol cried like that, kpop stans would say "omg he's so cute." a young female idol does this and she's a "pick me," "acts like a baby," "fake and cringe," and "attention seeking." the double standards 💀
@@serafinahart4012 if the male idol was the maknae like Lesseo, they will be getting nothing but prise, calling him cute and babysitting him
The double standard is persistent in kpop and very obvious if you look through the comments..
Double standards are a real issue in k-pop but let's be honest here, male idols would get just as much hate for that cringy moment. That being said, Leeseo doesn't deserve that hate
@@user-nf7rd7tw5f except they would not receive this level of backlash, I’ve been a kpop fan for 4 years now and I have NEVER seen any male idol be this hated for such ridiculous things but you know what I’ve seen? I’ve seen the aespa girls, the backpink girls, Irene, Wonyoung and now Leeseo. So don’t even TRY to make it seem like it’s the same cause it’s not.
@@serafinahart4012 well for example if jungkook did that there would be so many edits with aegyo looking filters
one the issues i have with minors in kpop is that's kids don't have room to be kids people are constantly expecting them to act older. she's 15 i would've cried if i won a huge award and even some adults would. i feel terrible for her and i really hope that she doesn't let the hate get to her.
This is why I am happy EUNCHAE acts like a kid still, maknaest Maknae
@@Ha-young_is_Just_Too_Fine Eunchae acts her age and doesn't appear to be faking it, that's just how she is. Leeseo, on the other hand, acts like a toddler. She tries so hard to be like a baby in front of the camera which comes off as ingenuine.
@@reyses1x2 loads of kpop idols acts younger than they do. Name your bias or ult group and I'll be able to find a video of them acting like a kid. Trust me. Also it's not that serious. It might make you cringe but people don't have to talk about it. You can just ignore it and move on. It's better than hating on a minor.
@@exceptionallydistinctivedi481 Idols having instances of acting like a baby similar to doing aegyo isn't the problem here. Leeseo tries to make it her persona probably because she thinks that's how maknaes of an idol group should be.
but i mean most 15 yr olds dont act like leeseo. they dont go around talking in a baby voice and pouting all the time. its a bit cringe but yeah she shouldnt get hate for it which is y they should stop debuting minors.
she won a literal DAESANG. The korean equivalent of a grammy basically. The GROWN people making fun of her could never ever reach even half that level of success and never will.
when I was fifteen I made dumb choices and I didn't have millions of people saying shit because if I did, I literally would not be here today. why are people so obsessed with policing children? we are literally creating broken adults, and it pissed me off when fans get shocked if idols hurt themselves or worse.
i feel like a difference might be the fact that eunchaes unnies are quite a bit older than her and in their twenties, treating her with more patience and babying her a bit lol, and stans recognise the age difference and immediately treat her more childlike too, but with ive all the members at debut were fairly young, gaeul only just having turned 19 and the rest being around 17 years old, thus they wouldnt have babied leeseo that much. plus, the members were acting fairly mature (as wony and yujin had been in the industry for years at that point) leaving stans to think leeseo should act that way too.
You can see in gazes of fimmies they absolutely adore Eunchae, sometimes Chaewon rebuffs Kazuha too but never Eunchae,Sakura is her figurative mom, so we in fandom treat her with utmost care and adore her too like she is too adorable to be even spoken harshly too, writing mean comments is beyond humanity that's how maknaes should be treated always, they are the sunshine of the group.
ppl j have a very different image of ive as some pristine group that should always be perfect and treat them like they're much older than they are which is rly upsetting because they r all rly young
False! Eunchae is not as hated because she acts her age and not like a toddler. Keeping this "baby" persona solely because you're the group's maknae comes off as ingenuine. Leeseo tries too hard to be a maknae.
@@reyses1x2 you are clearly the person this video is about
@@aanchalyadav1733 I'm merely stating why people treat both idols differently despite both being maknaes of similar age
im the same age as leeseo and I bias her, I personally found her speech to be very sweet, seeing her come to tears and say her fandom name is very heartwarming to me. I didn't even find it "cringy" until I went to Twitter and found everyone clowning her. it hurts me so bad
i think that was the first time i saw her cry. it's sad that the one time she showed vulnerability on cam she's laughed at and mocked.
but when other's do the same thing, they get praised and sympathised by those same people who mock her for doing so
Diveuuuuu
@@dprdenny who is mocking her that was so funny😭
@@hehe-fl6vm you literally mocked her.
It’s insane how part of the public has zero to no consideration for younger idols. When companies are debuting people that young they know damn well what they are subjecting them too, and that’s honestly scary. They are basically not allowed to be kids, and it’s incredibly damaging for their mental health.
At least, where I find some solace and hope is when they have at least the support of other members of their groups. I have in mind Eunchae, I’m relieved to know she has older members in Le SSERA like Sakura and Chaewon to offer her emotional support and probably give her some life advices.
Idol life is incredibly hard, and I just hope for the best for them
Leeseo is allowed to be a teenager, a kid even, but acting like a toddler? That's just annoying.
@@reyses1x2 i don't follow with IVE but in what instance does Leeseo act like a toddler?
@@dprdenny It's not just an instance but a whole persona
@@reyses1x2 so ? Is it a reason to bully her ? Make a whole trend based on making fun of her ? Both Kyujin or Eunchae for example have done aegyo but I don’t see people harassing them for it. It’s not bc people find it annoying that they have to mock her for breathing. You don’t like it just scroll
@@reyses1x2 like y’all made fun of her for crying when she won a huge award, she can’t be emotional now ?
Isn't it crazy how people are so fast at attacking idols when they show some emotion at a sensitive moment or when they're having fun and being their genuine self, but then when these same idols become more careful with the way they act because of the baclash they've recieved, they still get attacked for "being too self conscious on cameras" and "focusing on their image" 🤨
Like pick a side pls 🤦🏽♀
this is literally what wonyoung went through :( and now people are saying "we miss izone wonyoung" shut up!!!!
@@legallyyblonde yup and i feel that Leeseo will be pushed down the same path 😔
I 10000% agree that minors shouldn't debut or at the VERY LEAST 17 year olds (really should be 18 but I'll concede a year). Which is the main reason I'm not supporting New Jeans rn, financially at least. Don't get me wrong I love the girls, their music and their talents but I just don't want to contribute to and let Hybe know I'm condoning them having a 14 year old girl singing about her 'cookie' on stage.
PSA STANS - don't say you're against minors debuting and then go buy their albums, merch, and concert tickets bc you're just telling and allowing the labels to continue to debut more minors.
This!!! Sm ppl j say "but they've debuted now" but u speak w ur money when u support them
Wait til you find out about Classy. Girls are so young they still need baby milk lmao.
@@abc-dv7fs EXACTLY!! Like by no means do I wanna crush children's dreams and have their group fail but the only reason we're in this mess and labels are debuting 13 year olds is because ya'll made the last 14 year old rich and famous and this season's it girl with your money and support. SO STOP THE CYCLE!
exaclty...they hate idols debuting but continue to go to their concerts.
Yes, I don’t get it. They will call grown men “my baby” “he’s so cute” “ he’s such a baby🥹”
But when an actually minor female idol acts her age, all hell breaks loose
Edit: as soon as a minor female idol does the same thing some of these grown men be doing it’s a problem
Leeseo doens't act her age, Eunchea does. Leeseo tries so hard to be a toddler, which she isn't.
@@reyses1x2 who talked about Eunchae in this comment
@@imaslave4u.. I'm giving an example of an idol who acts her age. Eunchae is fitting since she was also mentioned in the video.
@@reyses1x2 make your own comment cuz nobody really cares?.
@@reyses1x2 So what? She's 15... And how was she even being a toddler? I'm seeing you hate on her on almost every comment lmao
thank you so much for talking about this leeseo "issue", people are so hypocritical saying minors shouldn't debut but then proceed to treat them so badly...
I mean im not defending anyone here but even If people treated her better she still shouldn't debut she so young and should be enjoying her youth (childhood at this point )
@@Simsim-wl2wn I think what OP meant is that yes minors shouldn’t debut (due to the working conditions etc) bc of the harshness of fans but they go ahead and bully those minors. They preach anti bullying but bully those minors themselves
@@andreabangu6607 it's hypocritical and I just laugh whenever someone toxic says/agrees to that. Then they sh!t on them later on💀
About the prank, if you watched the whole video, you'd know that the staff were purposly creating a tense environment for the prank, the editor of 1, 2, 3 IVE said that that was the first time the IVE members have seen the staff being rude and tense to each other. That must have been scary so her being too scared to help since the scary pd was around is not surprising at all.
Also I hate these pranks, they usally just give the members stress, look at how Liz was crying, she must have been so stressed or scared. The princess prank was fun but the cake one wasn't.
Edit: I wanted to say that your video is good, I just think the backstory ads a perspective most people haven't seen or heard
Maknaes should always be protected even across fandoms,I am not saying don't protect other members but the youngest especially below 18 shouldn't face this kind of scrutiny,I remember once Yeri opened up and talked about her scrutiny ( the hate she faced after Jonghyun's passing was unreal),also Yuna why are people so obsessed with every small action of her dissecting it, not even Yeji or Ryujin go through it, I hope it doesn't happen with Eunchae ( haven't seen a overly scrutinizing comments abt her hope it stays that way).
People across fandoms should stop dragging youngest members of each group, like we all are grown ups (not all ), let's not be that person who hates kids of k-pop groups, have some self respect and move on or ignore if you don't like someone's persona or performance.
I think the biggest one for Eunchae was her having acne 😭 as if those netizen don't have one pimp on thier face once upon a time
@@Blueming_345 yeah saw once a short about it could barely see it, how was it worth to report about that too on her back 🥲
Truth! Young teens have no business being an idol. I don’t think fans realize that being an idol is HARD WORK, not play. They assume just because they are smiling and winking while performing that it isn’t stressful and difficult. And then there’s all the scrutiny by toxic fans. It was so sad when aespa said in an interview that they were really hurt by all the negative comments they got when they debuted. Imagine a 15 year old getting that abuse. Not right
The thing is the older I get, the worse and the more concerning the issue of young idols debuting becomes, not because they're debuting when they are younger than me but because you find people that are genuinely creepy towards these literal children and hate on them like it's nothing. Leeseo is only just under 4 months older than me and trust me, my mental health wouldn't be able to deal with what she is dealing with, I wish the best for her and that she is kept safe and the hate only becomes less for this poor girl. She really doesn't deserve it. Young idols should not be debuting in this industry because this industry is built for adults NOT children.
Seeing people her age trying to defend how they’re not a child and know better than others think are…wrong. We have all been there. We thought we knew everything because, at that point, we did know the most that we had known! But then, you age, look back and realise you really genuinely were immature emotionally. You are until at least your mid twenties, and even past then you’re still learning and gaining perspective. Even a few years can change the way you think, feel and act hugely- I know 15 y/o me and 18 y/o me were completely different people who dealt with inconveniences and emotions completely differently. This child certainly cannot deal with her emotions fully yet and should not be put in this position of being constantly attacked, as we know every single idol is. Companies and fans know that every single idol gets absolutely scrutinised and spat on, and that children cannot and should not handle this. She should not have debuted, no one under the age of 18 should.
But just because someone debuted younger doesn't mean they deserve to get hated on and bullied. The same people who say we need to be kind to minors (of other groups) are the ones hating her. Like you'll see grown ass men lying on the floor and crying for winning a music show but does anyone call them cringe? Nope. The double standard is obvious.
The 'b' sound in how it's pronounced in Korea.
@@amuna3870 lad never did I ever say they deserved it. Not a single person deserves to get hate, no matter their age. It’s hard for anyone to deal with, all I am saying is at 35 you’re going to be better equipped mentally to deal with people online talking about you than you are when you’re a literally child. In a perfect, ideal world people would think like us and not insult strangers in the way that many people do idols. However, we do not live in that, so the best we can do/wish for is to keep children out of an industry where that is inevitable. Also, I am absolutely fully aware of the double standards for men and women in kpop (and just in life, generally) and think it is disgusting.
@@eeaw6031 yeah but idols won't be waiting till 35 to debut. I'm someone who got an opportunity at a young age and my parents supported me. Granted my field isn't related to showbiz but I'm glad I happened to be really lucky and that doesn't happen often.
So I genuinely emphatise with idols like Leeseo because opportunities don't wait for you. Jungkook debuted at 15. If he wasn't allowed to debut back then because of his age, wouldn't he have really regretted it? Swift debuted at 16. And the list goes on.
So when I see people hating on a minor for silly reasons the best I could do is chew them out. If you really don't like someone just ignore them. You don't like them being cringey just ignore it. Wouldn't that make life easier? When people just focus on their faves
@@amuna3870 but the idol industry is work, like any other. You should not enter it underage, for obvious reasons. Also don’t act oblivious to how companies literally just allow all sorts of shit to go on no matter the moral compass they pretend to have. They allow and even often encourage the sexualisation of these children as well as overworking them. The entertainment industry is known for being highly toxic and that will not change- almost ever child star turned out a mess and/or has warned against it. Idols are property, they are a product and they are treated as such. As an adult you can consent to that if you please, knowing full well what you’re really truly getting yourself into. You know you’re putting yourself on a platform where you are judged for every move, where you will inevitably be bullied, where you’re used to sell things and you are something a company will use to make money until you’re nothing and can be thrown away. That’s the reality of kpop and much of the entertainment industry. As a child you do NOT understand that and cannot consent to it. No one else should be allowed to consent that for another person. My argument stands fully that you should be minimum 18 to debut. Just become some young idols are success stories does not mean it was right. Look how many have mental issues from being treated the way they are, a child is far more open to develop problems and react to them worse compared to an adult. The only way in which it makes sense to debut a child is in a monetary sense, and that is in no WAY moral.
it's not just the idol industry. There's Hollywood, sports, music industry etc. A lot of pop stars who are famous today got their break as kids through Disney. Justin Bieber was young when he debuted.
Similarly athletes go through brutal training as kids. Sometimes it feels inhuman to subject kids to that sort of intensity. So should we ban that as well?
I'm not trying to justify debuting younger. I'm saying that this exists in a lot of fields. So if we're boycotting it has to be for all of that. I don't think that's possible at all.
This is why I am SO freaking scared for the 11 year old debuting soon…
11 😨 who is it ???
@@hxneymoonave Kim Rayul is her name. She was one of the winners of AfreecaTV’s survival show “UPTOYOU” and she’s gonna debut with four other girls who are a lot older than her. The oldest is a girl named Yooya who is 25. I’m scared about what sort of concept they’ll do….
@@HOLLYNOELLOBO oh wow that’s concerning. i can’t believe her parents would allow their child to go into such a horrible industry so young, esp with ppl double her age. thanks for the info btw !
I had to stop the video when you mentioned Sulli, she was my favorite kpop idol and my role model growing up. Seeing young idols getting hate breaks my heart and I'm scared and mad that people are still bullying and hating idols relentlessly for no reason even after what happened to Sulli and countless other idols.
Very well said!
In general I think fans have to be more aware of how their small "jokes" become a lot less funny and much more harmful when they're part of thousands of similar posts that target the idol in question. it's easy not to feel guilty for the way the idol is impacted, after all you're just one person making a post, and yet it very much adds to the problem. As they say, "the individual snowflake doesn't feel responsible for the avalanche".
I think one of the best parts of Le Sserafim is watching Eunchae just... BEING A KID. like, the staff don't get angry at her, the members allow her to be childish and do silly things, she herself looks very comfortable being silly and liking things that people would see as a 'character flaw' otherwise, and she looks like she's just having the time of her life tbh. Leeseo has so much more pressure and gets so much hate which is hilarious (read: terrible) considering we all KNEW debuting a minor that young was a bad idea, and it feels like the same people promoting that idols shouldn't debut young are also giving people like leeseo completely unrealistic standards to follow as an idol now.
I'm 2 years older than leeseo it's such sad for younger idols basically 06 07 and 08 liners have to experience all the hate and backlash and it's now getting sad I'm turning 18 in September and ps stop debuting minors
Kpoppers will go “well it’s their choice to debut!!” “They wanted this, stop being jealous” “idols have been debuting like this since 1st gen, shut up” like hello?? do these K-pop stans realise that minors CANT consent for godsake?! This is why parents are needed to make decisions for their kids. I don’t think you would let your child move out at 11 and live on their own?? Normalising idols debuting young will only end up with infants debuting.
If we boycott these groups with minors debuting maybe we will end up somewhere, start a petition too. I’ve been boycotting NewJeans since their debut but saying that will probably lead me to 500 comments about me being a Terrible person. And I’m not able to live with the fact that 500 people hate me 🫡
They are using those to justify their bad behavior. In their minds being a celebrity means you're automatically asking for cyber bullying.
@ሪኢም omg same I'm boycotting any group w members currently under 16 I find it disappointing when kpop stans say minors shouldn't debut but continue to support them, I feel weird stanning minors knowing the harm
@@abc-dv7fs same. I like NJ’s music but I can’t really enjoy the songs knowing that a middle schooler is in the group.
@@NLK75 exactly, I love their ditto MV and the message it sends but with minors? No…
Also, everybody is talking about these companies debuting such young people but what I want to know is WHERE ARE THEIR PARENTS??? Excuse me, but what are these parents doing??? They are the FIRST in line to allow this to happen to these kids.
your editing is so clean, I loved the intro here. also really appreciate what you had to say about sulli. i'm in my 20s and seeing the effects of the industry on minors is one of my least favorite aspects of kpop. they genuinely have no place debuting when knetizens are as ignorant as they are.
Idk why you belive only knetizens are ignorant lol
People don't actually consider what they are doing as a problem, they just wanna hate & project there feelings on a 15 yo for not right reason. One day these types of situations will end up with the wrong ending and yall will be the ones to blame
their feelings*
The cake video is so gross, the fact that people are questioning her entire character and upbringing by ONE incident says more about them than her. It was a prank where she believed she had to film something using that cake that now was ruined. Imagine being a child in front of cameras and surrounded by figures of authority and something wrong happens and it involves you too, MANY of us would have ran out of there. She even said later in the video that it was so scary for her. Even Liz cried after the prank, so even she as a 20 y/o was scared. And don’t get me started on the crying, she was obviously emotional, just because she didn’t have full blow tears streaming down her face it does not mean she didn’t feel anything and acted fake. Other idols especially male do the most cringe and ridiculous things and all the female fans hating on Leeseo lose their sh*t. The double standard is insane.
Liz cried, but the fear and tension didn't stop her from being a good person.
Liz is 18 not 20
Kpop idols are just getting younger and younger too...Have you seen the apparent ages of YG's new girl group??? 😭
It’s crazy. I hope it’s not true that they are all 13 and 15 year olds
Also the age gap with the members… imagine training long and hard and finally set to debut at 20, with a 13 year old… also the fact that no one is calling out the 7 year old age gap? I would be weirded out if I had to take care of my members because they’re that young. When they’re supposed to be my co workers….
It’s borderline child labour yet there are no laws about it.. other than minors can’t work until 10 pm.. ridiculous if you ask me
kpop fans obsession with perfection is so annoying
what doesn’t help is a lot of k-pop fans are now the same age as these idols too, so they think it’s justifiable because “they would never be this cringey.” it’s children fighting children at this point 💀
Regardless of any amount of effort, no one can understand someone else in any situation. It's not just about being emotional because of winning the award. It's about the harsh training, controversies, hate and basically everything Leeseo went throught over the past years. It's basically impossible to imagine being her. That's why people have to at least think before typing anything.
I hope Leeseo and all young idols and not only are getting the love and support they deserve❤️
And btw, I am around Leeseo's age, and I truly feel that whoever is in charge of debuting these young idols should start caring about their well-being.
also, the majority of people (jungkook from bts included) who debuted as such a young age, stated that it's like they "stopped growing" at the age of debut, like some sort of mental process (that for now seems irreversible for the majority of people who are still in the industry) happens in order to protect yourself from all the hate and instability this job gives you.
at the end it's still a job, an overwhelming and overworked job, even, and children shouldn't be allowed to be there just because some crazy parents agreed to put them through that hell
im gonna be honest, i had no idea who the idol who cried like that was when i first came across the audio. i just saw some tiktoks and thought “aw thats funny, shes cute” and some we indeed pretty funny and unrelated to leeseo. then i started to see all this hate towards a literal kid over crying??? i dont even get whats so atrocious about the clip, its just an overwhelmed girl lost for words.
i hope she has someone to tell her its okay to not always be perfect and that to have these vulnerable moments its only human.
as a fearnot i'm happy that eunchae gets to be a kid while also being an idol i wish more teenage idols got to be kids while still living their dreams esp the ones who debut as young as leeseo i think it is possible to prevent a minor idol's mental health from draining but honestly it's still not fool proof bc that means no social media which they'll very likely want to use bc of fans but as long as they still have older members to rely on that can (hopefully) keep them off i think it's fine for the current generation of already debuted minors to stay but i'd still rather companies wait until their trainees are adults bc even with no social media and older members to guide them the idol industry is still rough
Bro when some adult cries at an award show people dont hate. What the hell is wrong with her crying. She is happy that she won it and that makes people cry sometimes.
Honestly as someone who supports younger people debuting in K-pop (not like 15-10 year olds ofc I’m not that stupid 😬), Leeseo has always kind of… worried me? I mean, I’m the _same age as Leeseo_ with a birthday difference of *_Exactly one day_* sooo I guess in a way our close birthday makes me feel like I might understand her a lot?? Idk it’s weird and hard to explain but just knowing that Leeseo was gonna be in IVE was a real mix of emotions.
Obviously Leeseo and I aren’t the same person, but I can only imagine the things I would be thinking if I was debuting in her shoes… being a 14 year old in such a competitive environment; I would probably feel extremely pressured to do absolutely perfect work!! Ofc I’m very proud of everything Leeseo has accomplished in IVE and how well she’s been doing, but knowing that basically *_every K-pop Stan_* in the industry has their eyes set on slandering her fellow member Wonyoung, I had a feeling that Leeseo and her other members would get the same treatment as well.
I wanted to be wrong so badly but seeing the hate that Wonyoung and Leeseo have been getting just for lip-syncing “Strawberry Moon” on stage makes me realize just how terribly right I was 😢 The poor girl has quite literally done *_nothing_* wrong to receive this amount of hate and yet antis keep finding reason after reason to bash her! It’s the only reason I dislike having children in K-pop.
And I don’t blame it on kids like Leeseo, or those kids’ parents, not even on the company *(well a little on the company actually-).* I blame this on the industry itself, for being so unnecessarily aggressive and competitive about absolutely *_everything!_*
If K-pop and it’s Stans weren’t so fixated on their faves being the best and fighting over the stupid numbers, and instead focused on what the industry is for: FRICKING ENTERTAINMENT, I feel like kids in K-pop wouldn’t have to suffer this much. Sure the busy schedules would still be a lot, but if there wasn’t such a constant need to deliver the best every single time I feel like even that wouldn’t be so hard for the idols.
Maybe it’s just a wishful thinking rant I’m having but I genuinely think that kids like Leeseo wouldn’t be so bashed and slandered if the industry wasn’t so fixated on the idea of perfection. She’d probably still even get to just enjoy her youth if people accepted that she’s just a child who is skilled enough to live her dreams and not some lifeless doll for people to judge her flaws…….
Edit: and another thing I saw someone comment about that I wanted to add; If you’re gonna debut a child, AT LEAST PROVIDE SOME FORM OF CARE FOR THEM. They’re still children with developing brains and they need to know how to handle things in this industry healthily. So that’s why I said it’s a little on the companies for not giving idols the necessary tools needed to keep them healthy during their schedules
What you said about Sulli brought me to tears. That's a really beautiful message to carry out. We need people to keep raising awareness for these idols. Idols deserve to be safe in their own minds, too many have left us too soon ... These idols SUFFER so much in every possible way because of the fans and the industry
Spot on! Thanks for this - you’re so well spoken.
Honestly I can lowkey imagine Lesseo growing up the way Wony did constantly at the edge of hate and pressure and that led Wonyoung to acting the way she does lesseo seems like a sweet little girl and I hope she doesn’t grow up the way Wonyoung did I mean yeah they way she cried was cringe but like why hate her for that and calling her pick me is a little too much.
I’m so grateful that there are people talking about this. Being an idol doesn’t mean you are not human or can’t get hurt. Is it really that hard to understand?
I hated the staff prank and public's reaction. they completly disregarded the fact she was like 14yo during that time, the staff is hired to help n comfort her not the other way around. they also didn't care she was confused/embarrased (since thats how teens are) but most of the ppl that criticized her were never pranked on camera and with every single problem they encounter would just call their mom. they act as if she's a souless monster that can only copy other ppl, meanwhile shes just a child that has someone to look up in her group.(let's ignore the fact that if she were to clean up the mess the staff made she would probably mess up her look n it had to be redo by another staff member).
ppl expect her to act 24yo not the age she is and ofc u can say "but she knew what she was doing getting into kpop in the first place" nah dude, I thought I knew what I was doing at 14 but I didn't. no 20+yo individual would be like "yeah nothing has changed about me since I was 14yo"
do better ppl.
I didn't even know this was happening. SM is scary bro. I thought it was cute and understandable since she's 15 and overwhelmed with emotion over winning awards. She's a kid and even if she isn't she's allowed to be overwhelmed, she won an award with her members!
I hate idols younger than 18 debuting, and it honestly makes me sad that some many people spend their childhoods training for a job that is just as scary and stressful as it is luxurious and fulfilling, if not more.
Before I watch the video, It still breaks my heart every time I see people calling Lesso rude and snobbish for avoiding the situation in a fake scenario where a staff member dropped a cake.
That was funny but they were people who were thinking that because Liv and Rei did a better job at maintaining their composure, Lesso has “no excuse.”
Lesso wasn’t just “This is below me.” That child was panicking. Teenagers all have different maturity levels.
She could have at least helped her, no? That's thtypicalal response a sensible person woulgivedo to a coworker who had an accident in front of them.
I hope she learns to regulate her watchtime on netizens comments and actually focusing on fans that care about her and love her. I have been increasingly worried of her as she was pushed a lot into the public alongside Wonyoung because she's already getting her fair share of unnecessary hate. I wish people remembered that she's still a kid and like with Eunchae, would let her be the teenager she is and enjoy her youth. Overall I think a lot of the hate comes from IVE being successful and people being mad about it as they try to constantly look for Anything that would make the girls look bad.
I usually stream all my kpop music on yt, spotify, or deezer. But I even though I ENJOY New Jeans, I never stream their music [legally] because of the Min Heejin issue. I am deeply uncomfortable with the idea of minors debuting because my sisters are around their age. And imagining them going through what Leeseo and other minors experience is so sad to me.
Usually, I can overlook this (Itzy, Le Ssera, IVE), but the way Min Heejin handled the issue was disgusting tbh. I refuse to give her my money hahahahahahah.
Anyways, the hate on Leeseo is crazy. AFAIK the only "sin" she truly committed was the lip syncing with Wonyoung. But lip sync is hardly a moral failing so idk why people treat her as if she's the next JefferD@hmer. The anonymity of the internet has truly made us comfortable with hurting other people.
I’m a grown ass woman but I feel emotions very intensely and would definitely be teary and choked up! She probably had a flood of 50 different emotions hit in that one second and the human body does not know how to deal with that. People are not robots… some some are so cruel
she's just a child.. im so worried for her
it’s so annoying. and what’s crazy is that most people do awkward things around her age. yet when you see a young teen do something you think is slightly cringe, you decide to mock her in the hundreds thousands.
When I saw that video for the first time, I just thought in my mind "well, that's a little bit awkward". But I wasn't aware that Leeseo is just 15🤨 I forgot that there are already so many minors in the industry. Companies really should not debute young idols, Korean music industry is too cruel, I think, we all, as kpop fans, can already say many reasons to prove this
ur insight and delivery of this topic are so impressive and clear, you clearly are so knowledgeable of this topic and your editing style is top tier like that alone had me subscribed immediately. another amazing email with a topic that seems oddly taboo in the community. but ur straight job facts and view on this situation is such a breath of fresh air… thank you thank you thank you
These days people really thinks when you turn 14 or 15 you are a grown adult. Like I argued with someone regarding this issue and that person said that leeseo is really dumb! She is grown up so how can she act like that. Then I was like grown up? She's 15! Then that person said in some countries the age of consent is 14 so no one is a baby anymore neither a child when they are 13 or 14! Like seriously! I can't with these people.
all the 14 year olds thinking you know better, no you don't. you'll realise that when you'll be 18, and realise again when you're 20 that you didn't know that well when you were 18 either. leeseo is gonna be the one who is gonna cringe the most when she sees her clip in few years.
it's funny how I see male idols reacting to their cringe old days videos and never see such a huge outrage. but when a female idol does sh1t, its over for her. as a bg stan myself, I denied this double standards for years and I've finally realised it. the world has beef with pretty feminine young girls for everything they do.
being a kpop stan for a long time now, im now seeing IVE, especially wonyoung and leeseo get hate over things which I thought were completely normal in kpop. I mean, why are stans being triggered over wonyoung eating cutely? why are people being triggered over leeseo acting cute? 😒 smh. tbh, I always cringed at idols eating stuffing food in their faces like a child, but it was the first time I saw that other kpop stans found it absolutely offensive rather than cute. kpop stans are acting like they discovered some new sh1t as if babying a 15 year old maknae wasn't a thing since kpop existed. like if you think wonyoung's behaviour is a pick me then how are you handling Lisa acting like a cat?
Thank you i love you 💕
One more thing I will add South Korea and Japan really like their idols debuting young bar some exceptions that's the only way you explain the hype of New Jeans from the very onset of debut, they literally just now broke two melon records ( becoming first group since GG to replace own number one album on melon with their next album and first group ever in history with IVE to have two singles in top 10 of melon for more than 20 weeks), how can you not expect other companies to notice this and not do same, it's become a winning formula and debuting young idols is not going to stop.
Regardless of age or gender ,just don't be nasty to people in general.
That's a start!
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Oh and I really enjoyed the live show last night, hope you do another one next month ,Nabi Core
Love the outro ❤😂
OMG I LOVE THIS VIDEO! THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS❤
Very important message
Just don't understand people that hate idols in general. Most of them don't even make any money, every aspect of their lives are controlled down to the food they eat, and are criticized for any little thing, even stuff they have nothing to do with.
Pleaseee the things I did and said when I was that age, would haunt me severely if I was someone in the public eye
i think one of the biggest reasons ive are hated is bc they're an easy target. if u say lesserafim or newjeans sucks ppl would not hesitate to ratio u, but with other ggs - like ive alongside others atleast 30% of ppl will agree. i think this is one of the main reasons on the difference in treatment of leeseo & eunchae. i also think another difference is that despite having almost the same exact concept (mature elegant models), lesserafim have a lot of viral clips of them stuffing themselves w/ food, goofing around with each other, posting photos together which makes them relatable therefore ppl treat them like ACTUAL HUMANS WITH FEELINGS! & ive doesn't necessarily have that - or better yet, their clips don't go viral like lesserafim's does which feeds into the "co-workers" "fifth harmony" narrative.
It's crazy cus there's too many people that say "you're just jealous cos she is successful" or "she's talented and worked just as hard as anyone else" whenever somebody calls out how genuinely messed up it could be for a minor to dabue heck look at what's happening to newjeans the ceo is a littarl creep and when she go exposed of having paedophilic related posters she said "it was a gift I got a long time ago"
And you know what the fans did? Nothing but defend that bullcrap that ceo even got an award at mama there's more but I'll be here all day
I have been in film industry since 5 yo, and I know how all this can affect on just a kid. I am 18 and still have problems and issues with all the love and criticism(hate) I got. But the fact that kpop minor idols get 100 time more of all that is so sad, I hope they will enjoy their dream life more that focusing on opinions and comments❤
Not related but ur intro was soo cool!! and aesthetically pleasing! and same goes to ur editing/layout and clips u used throughout the vid, it was just satisfying to watch for some reason lol
Thank you
Not me closing and opening the RUclips app 3 times thinking the black screen was a bug 😭💀 (it happened before)
PLSSSSS YOURE NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO THOUGHT THAT
i just wanna say thank you for making this video. i think you’re one of the first content creators ive seen actually defend leeseo from the hate she’s been receiving. after watching her breakdown at ives fancon last week we know she’s definitely seen the awful things people have been saying about her. it hurt so much seeing leeseo feel like she can’t even be vulnerable with us because she knows people will make fun of her for it. i wish we had more people like u defending her
Lol so people don’t want her to debut because she’s a child but when she acts like a child she’s too old for that? Yeah right.
4:26 THIS is why i'm scared for NewJeans
I can't imagine being a kpop idol at that age. I was so self conscious at that age and felt like everyone was judging me. I can't imagine that kind of fear coming true, especially being part of an industry as ruthless as kpop.
Thank you for making the comparison to Sulli. She was so precious. I remember seeing the constant criticism thrown her way and thinking "if something happens to her, kpop bullies have no one to blame but themselves."
You'd try to defend her, but it's hard to counteract such a tirade of hatred, negativity, and judgment. I just hope awareness and backlash against blatant mistreatment /misogyny grows. We don't need to lose anyone else.
People keep bullying her on tiktok when she’s literally just a kid. And even if she wasn’t a minor, they’re still being too harsh like ok embarrassing moments happen but why bully her for it? She’s literally an idol and she is going to try to be cute and appeal to the crowd and if it screws up ok that happens and it’s fine, they shouldn’t berate her and essentially say how she’s embarrassing and she should be kicked out the group for that or she’s cringe like wtf? She’s 15, she’s learning to grow, and cringe moments happen but we shouldn’t hate on people for that, especially when they are literally kids still learning about the world around them and developing their mental state. And it’s disgusting how most of the hate is coming from FULL GROWN adults, like??? Grown ass people bullying a minor online just cause she said something a bit embarrassing?? And then people saying she wasn’t even crying, many clips before and after that SHOW she was crying, she’s a kid and she’s already achieving so much, of course she is gonna cry, why would she even need to fake it? It’s so annoying and it’s so horrible how they’re just bullying this girl who has worked extremely hard to get to where she is and just because of one or two embarrassing moments, people find that to be a good enough reason to invalidate everything else about her. I get why hybe and starship debuted these really young idols (hyerin, leeseo, eunchae, so on), it’s cause they’re really fucking talented and they mind find it to be a waste to wait for them to be adults in order for them to debut. And also, most likely the idols themselves really wanted this because it’s a dream of theirs and they don’t mind sacrificing their childhood if they get to follow their dreams, ok I get that. I do think though there really should be a minimum age requirement however, because with how it’s looking, they’re debuting idols younger and younger. Look at YG, their upcoming group baby monster has a 13 year old girl. Like that’s insane, and even if she herself wanted this, I still think there really should be a minimum. Sure start training at 13 if you want, but debuting at 13??? For me I believe 16-17 being the minimum age requirement seems bearable and ok, still minors but they have less to miss out on childhood wise, and they probably have developed a bit more thick skin by then. But, I do think it’s always best to just not debut minors in general. Knowing kpop companies though, they can’t do that, so at least a minimum would be good. Being an idol is a job, and there are many jobs that have minimum age requirements, so being an idol should be no different. If you can’t have a full time job at some store when you’re 13, you shouldn’t be able to be an idol at such a young age either. Again, not like the companies will blacklist minors, and I do think that it wouldn’t be good to completely blacklist them because again they can start training at 15 and debut at 18-19, but also the fact that they might feel discouraged knowing that they can’t debut when they want to, so from a company perspective I get why they debut minors. From an ethical perspective, it’s just wrong itself. I’m the VERY least they should have support resources for them, ways to filter out hate or inappropriate comments, an age minimum, and not give provocative/sexual outfits to minors, nor provocative/sexual choreography (jyp with tzuyu 😕). They should at least do the BARE minimum if they’re so adamant about debuting minors, but I’m not seeing a lot of these companies doing that which is really enforcing the idea of just not debuting them at all because if they can’t even protect them properly and adjust ethically to them, then they shouldn’t be debuting them at all. That’s just my two cents on it, but like I’m really glad there are people agreeing that this hate towards leeseo is unjustified and harsh, and as well the issue with debuting minors being a big one that companies should really figure out and at least do the bare minimum.
it’s a predatory industry and it seems idols are debuting younger and younger every year 😢 companies should provide mental health support for idols, esp younger ones who haven’t developed yet and may not be strong enough for all the crazy criticism. Yes they chose to become idols, but that doesn’t mean they chose to be scrutinized for everything they do 🥲
yes this honestly if you’re gonna debut a child _the least you can do_ is provide the necessary support needed to keep them safe and healthy.
It's weird how the same people that will baby a grown adult are also the first ones to criticize an actual child when they do childish things. So, what is it? Are idols cute little babies that deserve no harm, or do they need to grow up and act maturely?
I'm so sick & tired of the whole name calling towards teenage female idols. I've seen it's mostly the maknaes of these 4th gen ggs that are constantly getting harassed and bullied and for what? For singing another idol's song? For crying over your group's first big award? For eating a damn freaking strawberry? How is any of what I just mentioned "pick me behavior" or "clout chasing" or "fake"? These girls aren't allowed to do ANYTHING without being criticized. It's so pathetic. How can you feign worry for the same child you spend day & night bullying? I would say I hope people's mentality changes & they realize all this negativity plays a big role in the detriment to these idols mental health but when have kpop fans truly cared about an idol's wellbeing? Idols will sadly continue to be expected to be perfect. To always be in a good mood, to always give their 100% and if they mess up or break down, they deserve harsh words thrown at them.
I think Won Young is the example for debutting at a young age, in IZ*ONE she is the center, but there are many other visual members in her group with the same popularity, it's a healthy competition, plus she does not get the most lines in IZ*ONE songs.
However, in IVE her popularity outweigh the other members (even Yujin), and she has to carry the responsibility of being "prettiest girl" of IVE, constantly shooting commercials, performing at music stages, MC-ing, etc. basically being the main income of the group. This such busy schedule has affected both her health and her skills as an idol, I feel like her vocal skill is actually worse than when she was in IZ*ONE. From being a cute and pretty maknae to being a glamorous adult woman has put a lot of pressure on WY, she's visibly less cheerful now than her IZ*ONE time, she's too busy now to even spend time regularly with IVE. Jmo, i fell like she put on this mask of not showing her true emotions every time on stage and public events to deal with the critcism.
For the case of Leeseo, I dont think she received that much negativity initially, but the problem is that she's in IVE, a group who's going to receive more crticism in the future if they continue to be this popular. Starship's treatment doesnt make this any better, somehow they decided to debut a young idol who hasn't matured her skill, and push Leeseo (together with WY and Yujin) to have more lines instead of the members with more stable vocal like Liz and Rei💀💀. And I doubt that Leeseo would has the same popularity as WY, but if one day she changed her image, not this cute young maknae but someone else (like Sulli and WY), she would be bashed nonetheless, and i'm afraid the damage would get accumulated from year to year that if one day we realize that she's not ok, it's kinda too late.
People hating a young girl for this kind of things makes me sad
this is already bad and now yge is debuting all minors with the youngest being born in 2009 SHES 13 just barely hit puberty and debuting i cant even imagine that and imjust a year older than her. Nabi i would like to see your thoughts on baby monster of YGE
THISSS I really like what you said in 2:30 to 2:45
sadly leeseo is always dressed up as a woman and seems older than her age (idk about you, but i always tend to forget she's only 14) and she's in a group with a more mature concept, while eunchae (despite having some features that still make her seem older) is in a group with a youthful concept and members that always point out the fact that she's a minor.
since i don't follow their vlogs i don't know if ive members do the same, but since the attention is always so hooked on wonyoung and partially on yujin people wouldn't really notice it even if they did that.
lesserafim’s concept is NAWT youthful
on top of that, this is not a minor job to do. I can imagine that many young idols will hate their job in a few years and regret their career choice. Maybe they quite school or barely pass it because they cannot study or have to skip school due to events, tours etc. and have limited career choices in the future if they decide to quite.
the double standards for IVE and other kpop groups is so unreal
an overwhelmed child cried… big deal, i would cry too at my big age, what’s wrong with that?
I miss Sulli and Hara sm
i literally saw a tiktok saying she's a "grown woman"
this is another issue ppl have nowadays too. they try to make teens seem a lot older than they are too. i literally got into an argument w somebody for saying this about her before too. 🤦♀️
Honestly while the companies need to stop debuting children the parents should prevent their children from even pursuing being idol
Love the karaoke at the end 😭💖
mistakes arent allowed to kpoppies anymore.
i think being a trainee at a young age is already really damaging, let alone debuting
one big foul is also that former seniors have pointed out the many predators and groomers that exist in the industry, it is extremely dangerous to even be a trainee
Ik this is unrelated but Yeri was called a pickme and sent death threats because she cried at Jeongyeons funeral like… 😬
ppl were hating on her for this ?? WHY ?? the way she said it was just funny to me. 😭 nothing to hate on somebody for. especially not a kid.
sulli’s part got me tearing
i hate when people get mad when companies debut idols so young but then when they do something ‘cringey’ or ‘unperfect’ they hate on them like a punching bag and it hurts me sm
you spilled!!!!
I'm literally so done with people getting debuted so long. Not only must it suck for the idol because of everyone else's immaturity, but also, that's so young to have basically a full time job.
I feel horrible for Leeseo. Some of my favorite groups have members under 16, or did when they debuted. Leeseo is my bias wreaker in IVE, and it disgusts me when I see full grown adults making fun of anyone (cough wonyoung), much less a literal child. I wish there where better laws regarding the music industry in not only Korea, but also the world. As we've seen with Loona as well, they have these young idols signing these contracts (their parents too) just excited about their dream, not digging into the legal work and negotiating. It's not a good situation. So yeah. Even though I can't imagine some of my favorite groups without the members who debuted below sixteen (tri.be, loona, ive, le sserafim, etc)
I wish it would stop. Because the world isn't safe for these kids. I really hope that not only Leeseo, but all the members have the people they need and the personal strength to walk these things off, remember that these are people hiding behind a screen, and just to continue being their real, authentic (or screen) selves living (and hopefully thriving as well) their dream
1:43 finally someone pronouncing her name the right way. Some will pronounce it leeso
Idk about your tiktok algorithm, but in my fyp, there's like a ton of vids hating on Leeseo, calling her crying fake and how she have a bad attitude... Because of the cake prank... And then compares her to Somi... And how they sat they would've helped the staff. Yup, it's a lot
my tiktok fyp is the same exact way. that’s a big reason why i made this video. after seeing people comparing her to somi when those two situations are totally unlike each other, i was so done.
I feel like every single member of ive are being hated for petty reasons
As a 20+yo fan who got into kpop when girls were just a bit older when debuting, it's so sad to see how people are treating Leeseo. Unfortunately, these are the perils of debuting as a minor, the internet is ruthless and don't care how old you are. Even you tubers who do vlogs and are younger get massive hate. It's so sad to see. I hope this won't become a trend
First... she getting covid, second she can't attend her graduation because of that,and thirdly... the massive train hate to this minor girl are still going on and the fact people do that to satisfy themselves towards this girl. Srsly KPop worlds have a huge risk for a minors out there , I hope Leeseo can manage her mental health very well cuz ik she's a strong girl 💗 I also hoping for starshit to taking some any action with this kind of think
이서.. 💗🥺
people not wanting minors to debuet because of the hate they might face yet its the same people who hte on her
I also feel like the hate train for Ive is bigger than other groups brought up like lsfm and so leeseo gets worse treatment than other younger idols ):