I personally think the show does an exceptional job capturing the intense emotions and expressions of the dragon riders, and the soldiers around. What do you think? Let’s discuss in the comments below!
Yes I agree but I think Vhagar is too large for an ambush attack on Meleys as she surprised from behind the castle. So maybe it was a little off. But still the show did great.
I hated the idea of that ambush attack, like everyone pointed out Vagar is toooo big for that , I couldn't understand how vagar got to the battleground undetected, but thinking about it I'm sure Aemond knows vagar better than anyone knows their dragon. I believe Vagar swam from kingslanding to the southern part off rooks rest and crawled her way in and hid in the forest , maybe that why no one knew she was there . However he's supposedly anticipated he will be seen from above so if a dragon rider comes from the East I think Amond hide further southwest, that's what made him undetectable. On another note I loved how meleys went straight for Vagars abdominal area and she clawed ather trying to take the big MF down . The book says vagar came from above and the show she came from beneath. I think if treachery had to play the part vagar should have been beneath the surface of the water and Aemond on a raft broken and thorn stranded and whilst swooping down to eat him Vagar appears and mauled her throat. Causing her to crash in the water .
Remember fire and blood are written by maesters years after the events. Some of the details will get lost in time, George has said the tv show is the truer version of the events that took place because he wrote fire and blood with false or half painted details.
@@Excitegaming0but the show have things which are not in the books and it avoided some important details the book had The show is run by a black fan obviously, it will be biased anyways
@Excitegaming0 George never said the show was the truer version, it's opposite, he said the adaptation often changes things and that writers and showrunners think they can do a better job than the book writers which is often wrong
For the first dragon battle it was a good fight.Sunfyre looked cool as a dragon and I like how they showed the personalities of the dragons. Rhaenys and meleys were badass/sad in just the right amount. The only problem I had was vhagar keeps one shotting dragons from blind spots. How do you let a flying castle get in your blind spot. I refuse to believe an experienced rider and dragon combo like rhaenys and meleys would be dumb enough to fly over that castle when they can’t put eyes on the giant flying dinosaur they just fought 2 seconds ago. Writers did the 2 queens dirty on that one.
Nevermind that Vhaegar’s ambush would be almost impossible. 1) Vhaegar, the largest dragon, hiding behind the “tiny” castle of Rook’s rest doesn’t make sense. 2) when Vhaegar comes up, you see her hiding spot, which should not have been large enough to shield her from Rhaenys. 3) Vhaegar was moving quickly enough to ambush Meleys, the fastest dragon, and Rhaenys, probably the most experienced rider. Which means Vhaegar and Aemond had to perfectly time: getting away, hiding from view, Meleys flying over the castle, then being in perfect movement to strike *upwards*. Safe to say I’m dissatisfied with the show.
I love how Vhagar used her iconic teleportation spell to appear exactly where she needed to be to deliver the killing blow with no indication or buildup.
That is more frightening and intense in the heat of battle, there is an old massive dragon, like a large snake has acquired a skill, concealing it's sound, coiling out of sight. Then it strike is a sure kill your not off guard or taking it lightly.
Yeah really. I mean it showed that Vhagar takes a bit to get in the air anyway, but she made it up in the air and perfectly flew from the castle cliff to get Meleys.
Also, that the only experienced fighter between the three (Rhaenys) wasn't aware of the oldest trick in the book, of hiding your dragon behind the castle 🤣
She went out like an idiot, as soon as she saw Vhagar she should have disengaged and retreated back to Dragonstone, instead she got herself killed for no tactical gain, Rooks Rest fell to the Greens and Rhaenyra is down an advisor/diplomat and a second Dragonrider
@@bannedaccount540that’s what I’m saying as soon as the golden dragon fell with the king she should’ve left and reported back. Cuz her death was literally meaningless
@@irvinledezma8213 it's clearly explained in this short. Vhagar surprised pummelled her from above and didn't really had the chance like she did in the show. The show made Rhaenys heroic but the book version was quick and direct. They couldn't change the outcome either because the story would literally change.
@@bannedaccount540 I agree she should've retreated but in the end although she died, damage was done to the king so the greens still take a loss, if not a bigger L than the blacks imho.
Like yeah shes big but that gives her a speed advantage over MOST other dragons due to her lift and wingspan, she was also in a fight with another dragon dude 🤦♂️ Did it same way jets ambush each other in the modern day or ANYTHING for that matter ? By not being seen on approach 😂
I think it was just as good or better than the books. Very similar to the books with some changes like we don't know how Aegon got there and Aemond with the sneak attack is similar.
Huh? The book is pretty clear, they fought at once. So simply they went 2v1 and in a Yolo attempt Rhaenys tried to kill Aegon but was in turn thorn to pieces by Vhagar. It is pretty clear on what happened, the ambush was on the two dragons appearing, not in hiding behind castles.
@@jmra99And it makes more sense, Aegon being the bait, Aemond the net. Even if I were Rhaenys and I knew it's trap, I'd still go for it too, Aegon is too valuable as a target to be ignore, and worth throwing my life to take his.
The book makes more sense, in the show there is no reason to stick around after aegon goes down. Even if you lose rooks rest almond ca t be everywhere. If he stays there kings landing is exposed. If he goes to kings landing there will be no dragon protecting rooks rest and you just take it back. Then you can gang up on aemond instead of praying you can beat his dragon 1v1. In the book she has no opportunity to flee so she goes out like a badass
@@hanyu_dada if they jump you out the back instead of Aegon going by himself obviously she would have no chance to leave cause it's 2 dragons attacking but it was 1 & she was doing great only a few injuries than vhagar burns Aegon she should have left for dragonstone tell everyone what happened plan something with rhaenyra deamon to 3 vs 1 vhagar & the war is over
@@pitoseavy4523yeah it surely wouldve worked :( sunfyre was down only vhagar and tessarion. Hell put even the dragon seeds in and boom vhagar and aemond will be done for .
I can't get Vhagar attacking Meleys like that Meleys is the 4th largest dragon old and experienced Enough and especially the fastest dragon ever Its like a plot hole How can a Slowest and heaviest dragon could attack the fastest dragon?
@@itsmerohi3760That’s why I like the book version better. In the book meleys can’t escape due to the suddenness of the attack and due to it being a two versus one. The show isn’t bad but this battle felt more logical in the book.
@@itsmerohi3760 tbf meleys was all fucked up with a broken leg and flying off balance in the last scene but u guys gotta pay atention and you'd rather whine
Meleys fought ferociously, despite being one against the 2 large dragons.And if you are on the same page Meleys had the upper hand in dealing with vhagar face to face until she got murdered by vhagar's ambush attack.
Her job was to defend Rooksrest. And I think she also felt she had to do something as what Daemon said to her must have stuck.so she wanted to do as much damage to the army and Vhagar
its also dumb of the show to make Vhagar, a dragon that seems to take a full airport lenght to get off ground to sneak attack experienced and way more agile rider and dragon.I personally Didnt like it
I would only change one thing about Rook's Rest: Aegon's involvement. In the show, they made it look like he wasn't ever supposed to be there, while in the book, it is an ambush planned by Criston and it's based specifically on the fact that Meleys, while still alone, had a chance to take Vhagar alone and win, as she was arguably the fastest rider of her time (moondancer would've followed tho change my mind) This wasn't possible however with 2 dragons going at Meleys at once, hence Aegon's presence being inevitable, because Helaena was incapacitated by grief and Daeron was away to Oldtown. That's just my thoughts!! The rest was pretty neat and well filmed and edited.
If you take it as the books being written as propaganda for the Greens, they would want it to seem like his involvement was on purpose, to seem less incompetent on everyone’s part.
I really like this change, because the books are written as historical text, with bias towards the greens. So it makes sense that history would remember the battle as if Cole and Aemond had planned for Aegon to show up, even though it’s possible the events could have unfolded just as they did in the show, and were simply recorded with bias and lack of context.
@diofromava yes but it also takes away from Rhaenys kinda. implying that vhagar (who although strong, is slow as hell), is just enough for meleys when she has rhaenys as a rider with much more experience than aemond. it is literally said that rhaenys is powerful enough to take vhagar alone, and another dragon HAD to be present for it to be an ambush and an assured victory. aegon's part in this battle was necessary. instead they made rhaenys look like she was 1) dying for nothing (the king had already been put down for all she knows); 2) SURE she was going to die? book!rhaenys only realized it as soon as she saw sunfyre and vhagar together bffr, my girl would be on the dance floor in like 2 secs ready to fuck that big granny up. plus, i understand the book is built on biases and basically grasping at straws from both the point of view of the maesters and mushroom, but there is a difference between filling these types of gaps and completely rewriting a character as a fool with no irredeemable qualities. that is just what i think! they should've left aegon and sunfyre as a necessary asset and they should've left rhaenys be as strong and as confident in her strength as she is in the books.
@@butter7790 I agree, changing Cole and Aemond’s plan to exclude Aegon does kind of take away from Rhaenys and her experience with Meleys. However, I think it doesn’t necessarily rewrite her character. She was faring well, and it seemed like multiple times she could’ve chosen to disengage and save herself and her dragon, but I think Rhaenys was thinking in that moment that she has lived a full life and if anyone is going to make the sacrifice play, it ought to be her. I do wish Vhagar wouldn’t have sneak attacked her though, doesn’t really make sense that the biggest living creature in the world’s main tactic is stealth lol
@@butter7790 Did you mean Aegon was rewritten as a fool? Because I can agree with you there. There doesn’t seem to be any reason to support Aegon in the show. He is constantly shown to be a bad person, although it is intriguing to watch his mental state decline as he continues to allow the war to be waged without his input. Jealousy and insecurity are portrayed well, at least.
I like how they did this for the screen and I WAS somehow disappointed but I was still happy to see the encounter happen even though it’s nothing like the book
I acc think the show version is better in reflection - Aegon wasn’t supposed to be there so he almost ruined the plan, Meleys dealt with him how you’d expect a hardened dragon/rider to deal with a rookie, Aemond hesitance a clear indication he wanted to see his brother die in battle so he can take the throne organically, even at the end of the battle it’s unclear if Aemond goes to to finish Aegon off or not - besides all, the fact Meleys gave Vhagar a run for her money 1v1 makes the outcome of the battle above the gods eye more plausible - lastly, the histories would portray Aegon as a gallant king who went to battle and helped defeat Meleys when we saw reality was nothing like that (which is cool)
Thing is, the show version is the more accurate version of the battle. In the books, both narrators are biased to a side. The book is a recollection of the events and I think they do an incredible job of showing how eye witness accounts perceive such a battle differently. So I dont see it as two different versions. The show is how it happens, the books are how it was remembered.
Tbh I was expecting more on the show. Dragons are so slow. Vhagar is like a school bus going 10mph in the sky. If this was accurate she wouldn’t have been a force in the sky at all. Just fly away from her. Also, giving this large school bus a sneak attack stealth ninja-like ability is silly, too.
The Battle of Rook's Rest was iconic, legendary and far more better than the book version!! Hats off to the entire crew, especially to the writers, you did one heck of a job in breaking hearts!! And R.I.P Rhaenys Targaryen, The Queen Who Never Was!!!
I think both are great ways to get to point B meleys and aegon off the board. Its obvious the show wanted to establish vhagar as unbeatable while the book hints Rhaenys had a chance if not for sunfyre dividing her focus. It just makes the battle over the gods eye going to be 10x more satisfying
@@lukadzidic8211 no but I imagine that will follow fire and blood closely, Aemond will go on a tear after being pissed he missed daemon at harrenhall and burn the Riverlands killing 40-60k people and were gunna hate him at so much that when he sees dark sister up close well go crazy
Sounds better actually instead of the Princess turning around multiple times to get her & her dragon killed. Sounds like I’m the books she was just out bested
After this battle.. Daemon and Aemond became stalemate. Reason: Daemon didn't want to meet Aemond in 1v1 and Aemond didn't want to meet 1v2 . So neither met others until the D day because blacks had no choice but for Daemon to take matters in his own hands knowing the possible fate.
If daemon had been around instead of on his psychedelic trip in harrenhall, maybe some of the stuff that went down could have been avoided as the greens wouldn't be so brazen in their attempts to draw out black dragons with the attack. Yes holding the cursed keep is strategic, but daemon should have just gone through the river lands to gather the host instead of waiting for them to come meet him. Send each force to harrenhall as they pledge support and then send the army forth to stop Cole's host from advancing so easily, as that would free daemon up to stay mobile and support the war effort.
They adapted the story for aegon character evolution following his disvussion with aemond and alicent. Very smart adaptation with the same outcome in the end
The show did an amazing job with the battle. I really enjoyed it and have rewatched it a bunch. With that said, I do wish we had seen more of Sunfyre vs Meleys before Vhagar showed up. And the sneak attack by Vhagar, again. I would have preferred the book method of all 3 plummeting to the ground as one.
I like the slight changes to what happened from the books, like we’re seeing what really happened, obviously the history books would wanna hide that aemond purposefully tried to kill the his brother, the king, and that aegon being there wasn’t part of the plan and so in the books sunfyre and vhagar attack together
I'm tired of this show they make Aegon look like clown 🤡 in the books. People are scared of him. The only way they can make his character redemable is if the burns make him mad and he becomes brutal. I currently prefer the book much more than the show.
I thought they did a far better job strategically with the battle. Meleyes and Sunfyre clash…Vhagar shows up and attacks both. Fueled by Aemonds disdain . Sunfyre goes down. Meleyes retreats till Rhaenys realizes she has to confront Vhagar. We get a good round 2. Then the conclusion…however, the small gripe I have is how easily Vhagar slipped out of sight so easily…still it was a fun battle…
It was great. I could have done without Aemond turning on Aegon, but it was an interesting twist. I just hate Aemond now for what he did to Sunfyre when he could have helped. DO NOT touch our golden boy. As long as they keep sunfyres comeback arch, all will be well.
We have more dragons than the greens, lets send one alone into an obvious ambush that we all think is a strange thing to do, but fuck it. Ah, also, send the best one of us to let em fuck us better! What can go wrong.
If I predict well, Caraxes will lure Vhaegar into thinking the ambush is done and dusted. Once Vhaegar attacks, Caraxes will be ready to dodge the sneak attack making the battle fair for the TV viewers. After all, she's killing many dragons and many want to see her down or maybe fight the Cannibal or Vermithor.
I Loved the Live action version more because it explains how the big green monster Vhagar was able to not be injured in the fight she surprise attacked the Red queen Watching Aegon get cooked was Awesome Watching one of the most bad ass dragons fall to her death was Hard to watch I Love the design of Sun fire she looked SO beautiful
@ChalupaBatman1 that's hard to say, Glaurung didn't have wings but was quite big in size when fully grown, if vhagar would fight in the ground then glaurung would easily win, considering it's an actual dragon with 4 arms and not only 2 wings
I watched with a watching party of 10 people. and so many in my group wondered why she turned back and attacked. I had to remind them. That was not her prince that was killed. THAT WAS HER GRANDSON. She loved them boys. She might not have felt in her heart as close as she did or does for her granddaughters. But them boys she loved. They did not choose how they where brought into the word. But they called her grandmother and she seen this making up for choice not to burn the greens. I say choice. cause it was not a mistake. it was not her war to start. But she does feel guilt. if she took the brunt for burning the greens. her grandson would still be here.
Vhagar is the ruthless experienced dragon. Because Aegon in the movie is too clown so Vhagar has to use the sneak peak technique to end the fight in an awkward way 😂 😂
The book has its pros and so did the show. With the show it gave us a glimpse into the bond between dragon and dragon rider. Rhaenys and Meleys, with Aegon snd Sunfire. Also the show showed us Rhaenys and Meleys was whoopin Aegon and Sunfire ass. The book told us that Vhagar and Sunfire basically ganged up on Meleys. The books were great but I definitely enjoyed the visuals
Cannot get over why they would risk going with one dragon when they know Vhagar has already killed one of their dragons earlier, logically they should have gone to Rook's Rest in force. It's like the writer set up the perfect scenario for Meleys to die.
Having more dragons than the other side and not using them all is stupid. They should have attcked wherever Amond was with every dragon they had straight away.
Sunfire’s not badass. Was it a pretty dragon? Yes. Good in battle at some point with a better rider? Probably. But nothing about that dragon on-screen was close to ‘badass’. Come now. Melys reduced it to falling ruble, quickly.
Short answer: yes Kind of similar to the coronations scene, rhaenys choice makes it worse and kind of unrealistic. They had clashed with vhaegar and lost, but were already able to flee. aegon was out, there was no real reason to go back.
I thought Rook’s Rest was excellent on TV; my only two issues is the Vhagar teleportation ambush trick for the second time in a row (especially behind a small castle?) and Meleys was nerfed a bit as in the books she held it down 1 vs 2
Vhagar cheated in both Books- Vhagas literally had to fall on Meleys when the later had her jaws locked around Sunfyre. Show- Vhagar got slammed, ran, hid behind the castle and sneak attacked. Meleys could've have beaten Vhagar but Rhaeneys' hesitation to be a kin slayer and urge to die (caz of her childrens death & husband's infidelity) brought her death.Still Rhaeneys fought valiantly 2v1, killed hundreds of soldiers, crippled Aegon and died a dragonrider's death.
I just hate how in the show she went back to fight even tho sunfyre was down…. Realistically she should have left right away with the fastest dragon to harrenhal or dragon stone.
Great explanation between the army they don't have and dragons they do. Cole made a great decision to expect a dragon!! Is the person who made this 12?
The issue I have is that some of the characters are not represented as they are in the books for the sake of the streaming show. I am in favor of staying as true to the book as possible. Otherwise, it isn’t the same story and that is what is supposed to be represented. The battle of Rooks Rest was close enough to the book to be acceptable. I do appreciate how Rhaenys died compared to the book given it was abrupt while in the show it was more poignant.
The thing is tho GRRM has said that the book is a recount of the maesters from that time so it isn’t accurate. The whole idea with the show is that it tells the true events of the Dance of Dragons, hence why B&C was different and less violent as the maesters likely exaggerated it to make the Blacks looks worse
Aemond screwing Aegon made much more sense. I expected the show to do that, and the brothel scene only reinforced my suspicions. I also think the dragons fight was much more consistent this way.
I acc think the show version is better in reflection - Aegon wasn’t supposed to be there so he almost ruined the plan, Meleys dealt with him how you’d expect a hardened dragon/rider to deal with a rookie, Aemond hesitance a clear indication he wanted to see his brother die in battle so he can take the throne organically, even at the end of the battle it’s unclear if Aemond goes to to finish Aegon off or not - besides all, the fact Meleys gave Vhagar a run for her money 1v1 makes the outcome of the battle above the gods eye more plausible - lastly, the histories would portray Aegon as a gallant king who went to battle and helped defeat Meleys when we saw reality was nothing like that (which is cool)
I personally think the show does an exceptional job capturing the intense emotions and expressions of the dragon riders, and the soldiers around. What do you think? Let’s discuss in the comments below!
Yes I agree but I think Vhagar is too large for an ambush attack on Meleys as she surprised from behind the castle. So maybe it was a little off. But still the show did great.
@introvertedProgrammer that's exactly what I took from that. I can't c Vhagars size being hidden behind that castle.
Exacly. That's no way a dragon as big as a castle always win by a surprise attack
@@introvertedProgrammer Yeah we already saw that happen twice now....... largest dragon in the realm does two ambush attacks xD
I hated the idea of that ambush attack, like everyone pointed out Vagar is toooo big for that , I couldn't understand how vagar got to the battleground undetected, but thinking about it I'm sure Aemond knows vagar better than anyone knows their dragon. I believe Vagar swam from kingslanding to the southern part off rooks rest and crawled her way in and hid in the forest , maybe that why no one knew she was there . However he's supposedly anticipated he will be seen from above so if a dragon rider comes from the East I think Amond hide further southwest, that's what made him undetectable. On another note I loved how meleys went straight for Vagars abdominal area and she clawed ather trying to take the big MF down . The book says vagar came from above and the show she came from beneath. I think if treachery had to play the part vagar should have been beneath the surface of the water and Aemond on a raft broken and thorn stranded and whilst swooping down to eat him Vagar appears and mauled her throat. Causing her to crash in the water .
Meleys was a deadly dragon. Its so sad that she had no help 😢
Absolutely, Meleys was formidable. It’s truly tragic she fought alone. What an intense moment!
I agree she really shouldn't have gone alone . I think it's safe to assume that it will take two dragons to take down vahgar
And I noticed that Vhagar loves to sneak attack. If it wasnt for her size meleys can put her down since she’s old (180) and slow 😥😥😥😥
@eddejawatts1125 lol it won't.
@@r.gvandaele9652the whole purpose of the sneak attack is because she is slow, it's all about understanding your strengths and how to use them.
Getting ambushed by Vhagar is like getting your purse snatched by a London bus.
Pahahah
Best comment I've read in weeks 😂
They actually extended this fight. Wow
Remember fire and blood are written by maesters years after the events. Some of the details will get lost in time, George has said the tv show is the truer version of the events that took place because he wrote fire and blood with false or half painted details.
@@Excitegaming0 so aegon never flew on sunfyre after his coronation, aegon had only one son. Truer version my a**
@@Excitegaming0but the show have things which are not in the books and it avoided some important details the book had
The show is run by a black fan obviously, it will be biased anyways
@Excitegaming0 George never said the show was the truer version, it's opposite, he said the adaptation often changes things and that writers and showrunners think they can do a better job than the book writers which is often wrong
I expect them too with all of them. Especially the much anticipated. The fight in the book lasts for like 1 clash
For the first dragon battle it was a good fight.Sunfyre looked cool as a dragon and I like how they showed the personalities of the dragons. Rhaenys and meleys were badass/sad in just the right amount. The only problem I had was vhagar keeps one shotting dragons from blind spots. How do you let a flying castle get in your blind spot. I refuse to believe an experienced rider and dragon combo like rhaenys and meleys would be dumb enough to fly over that castle when they can’t put eyes on the giant flying dinosaur they just fought 2 seconds ago. Writers did the 2 queens dirty on that one.
Such a good point.
Nevermind that Vhaegar’s ambush would be almost impossible. 1) Vhaegar, the largest dragon, hiding behind the “tiny” castle of Rook’s rest doesn’t make sense. 2) when Vhaegar comes up, you see her hiding spot, which should not have been large enough to shield her from Rhaenys. 3) Vhaegar was moving quickly enough to ambush Meleys, the fastest dragon, and Rhaenys, probably the most experienced rider. Which means Vhaegar and Aemond had to perfectly time: getting away, hiding from view, Meleys flying over the castle, then being in perfect movement to strike *upwards*.
Safe to say I’m dissatisfied with the show.
@@prophetchosen862That's what I was thinking. In the Storm's End scene Vhaegar was literally like Godzilla, how tf can it hide like that?
Meleys was the Fastest Dragon, and it was weird how it could get ambushed by Vhaegar out of nowhere
Vaghar doesnt even need to hide, she has enough strength, but all we see vaghar doing is ambushing other dragons.
I love how Vhagar used her iconic teleportation spell to appear exactly where she needed to be to deliver the killing blow with no indication or buildup.
That is more frightening and intense in the heat of battle, there is an old massive dragon, like a large snake has acquired a skill, concealing it's sound, coiling out of sight. Then it strike is a sure kill your not off guard or taking it lightly.
Yeah really. I mean it showed that Vhagar takes a bit to get in the air anyway, but she made it up in the air and perfectly flew from the castle cliff to get Meleys.
Yeah but its clear that it was able to take advantage of all the smoke and fumes near to the ground to be able to surprise Meleys
Also, that the only experienced fighter between the three (Rhaenys) wasn't aware of the oldest trick in the book, of hiding your dragon behind the castle 🤣
@@HG0488 Aemond had experience killing his cousin and his dragon at that point.
Rhanys died happy knowing her dragon's dead body will at least kill some smallfolk once more
My dude, good one.
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Come on, dude really? You green supporters are just as petty and cruel as your fav characters
Reading it was one thing, seeing come to life was a work of art.
i liked it better when reading
Yes ❤
Vhagar gave me goosebumps. As she should
i agree. however i wish they had done the book version as it was more gruesome and chaotic
Yeah but Rhaenys went out like a savage GANGSTA!
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She went out like an idiot, as soon as she saw Vhagar she should have disengaged and retreated back to Dragonstone, instead she got herself killed for no tactical gain, Rooks Rest fell to the Greens and Rhaenyra is down an advisor/diplomat and a second Dragonrider
@@bannedaccount540that’s what I’m saying as soon as the golden dragon fell with the king she should’ve left and reported back. Cuz her death was literally meaningless
@@irvinledezma8213 it's clearly explained in this short. Vhagar surprised pummelled her from above and didn't really had the chance like she did in the show. The show made Rhaenys heroic but the book version was quick and direct. They couldn't change the outcome either because the story would literally change.
@@bannedaccount540 I agree she should've retreated but in the end although she died, damage was done to the king so the greens still take a loss, if not a bigger L than the blacks imho.
@@DMES-wp2fjNo other dragon can match to the speed of Meleys especially old and heavy dragon like Vhagar
I loved the episode but how the fuck a 150m dragon can ambush?
Exactly! With a perfectly timed ‘blind’ bite? It would have been more realistic coming over the top, through some clouds.
Vhagar too experienced bro
second time no less, first time from cloud and now from bush, he's like a stealthy boing 747
Like yeah shes big but that gives her a speed advantage over MOST other dragons due to her lift and wingspan, she was also in a fight with another dragon dude 🤦♂️
Did it same way jets ambush each other in the modern day or ANYTHING for that matter ? By not being seen on approach 😂
Facts regardless of experience no way Vhagar can conceal herself behind on that castle. She seems to have the same fking size at Storms End castle
I think it was just as good or better than the books. Very similar to the books with some changes like we don't know how Aegon got there and Aemond with the sneak attack is similar.
Great point! The show does a good job adapting the books with a few twists. The changes keep it interesting.
Huh? The book is pretty clear, they fought at once. So simply they went 2v1 and in a Yolo attempt Rhaenys tried to kill Aegon but was in turn thorn to pieces by Vhagar.
It is pretty clear on what happened, the ambush was on the two dragons appearing, not in hiding behind castles.
@@jmra99And it makes more sense, Aegon being the bait, Aemond the net. Even if I were Rhaenys and I knew it's trap, I'd still go for it too, Aegon is too valuable as a target to be ignore, and worth throwing my life to take his.
@@DaaThroneI disagree, Meleys and/or Rhaenys would have seen where Vhagar was going to from above.
@@jmra99 and that was by the account of the storyteller which has biases to their own agendas. So the point stand the show adaptation is good.
I mean it will always be better than a dragon hiding behind a castle smaller than her body, to then sneak attack a way faster dragon than her.
There was a cliff behind the castle. We literally see it when rhaenys turns back around to fight vhagar.
The book makes more sense, in the show there is no reason to stick around after aegon goes down. Even if you lose rooks rest almond ca t be everywhere. If he stays there kings landing is exposed. If he goes to kings landing there will be no dragon protecting rooks rest and you just take it back. Then you can gang up on aemond instead of praying you can beat his dragon 1v1. In the book she has no opportunity to flee so she goes out like a badass
idk about that, in the books she saw a 2vs1 and decided to go for it anyway
@@hanyu_dada but they jumped her at the same time! She had no chance of escape, unlike the show
@@hanyu_dada if they jump you out the back instead of Aegon going by himself obviously she would have no chance to leave cause it's 2 dragons attacking but it was 1 & she was doing great only a few injuries than vhagar burns Aegon she should have left for dragonstone tell everyone what happened plan something with rhaenyra deamon to 3 vs 1 vhagar & the war is over
@pitoseavy4523 thank you! Someone with some common sense lol 😆
@@pitoseavy4523yeah it surely wouldve worked :( sunfyre was down only vhagar and tessarion. Hell put even the dragon seeds in and boom vhagar and aemond will be done for .
Imagine caraxes just swooping in and wrapping up vhagar as they were falling saving the queen that never was 😢
Caraxes will have his time to shine
@@RicardoVargas-dy9tf yup
Witch Rivers is getting her talons into Daemon…. lol he sleeps with her.
@@crystalmorse3094 why the fuck are you spoiling it for people
Caraxus is not much in front of Vageur, But maybe if Vermithor showed up, he will surely have a chance
how many times is Vhagar gonna give this "surprise" attack? literally killed two dragons in the same manner?? 😂
I can't get Vhagar attacking Meleys like that
Meleys is the 4th largest dragon old and experienced Enough and especially the fastest dragon ever
Its like a plot hole
How can a Slowest and heaviest dragon could attack the fastest dragon?
@@itsmerohi3760That’s why I like the book version better. In the book meleys can’t escape due to the suddenness of the attack and due to it being a two versus one. The show isn’t bad but this battle felt more logical in the book.
@@itsmerohi3760 cause it is a plothole
@@ethanmaddy8992 the show is kinda bad in the second season though
@@itsmerohi3760 tbf meleys was all fucked up with a broken leg and flying off balance in the last scene but u guys gotta pay atention and you'd rather whine
Meleys fought ferociously, despite being one against the 2 large dragons.And if you are on the same page Meleys had the upper hand in dealing with vhagar face to face until she got murdered by vhagar's ambush attack.
She could have fleed after hurting sunfire but she choose to fight
That’s the show version ,in the books she couldn’t simply flee
@@Meme-pv7tnin the books she had the fastest dragon and knew both enemies were in the sky and chose to engage even though she was outnumbered
@@bmkeesee i know she put a really good fight in the books but she couldn’t just run away from them like what they did in the show
And when she turned to fight again, we all knew it's time to say goodbye.
Her job was to defend Rooksrest.
And I think she also felt she had to do something as what Daemon said to her must have stuck.so she wanted to do as much damage to the army and Vhagar
Vhagar doing Sneak attacks is basically her knowing she can no longer fly toe to toe with the other dragons knowing her age and size...
its also dumb of the show to make Vhagar, a dragon that seems to take a full airport lenght to get off ground to sneak attack experienced and way more agile rider and dragon.I personally Didnt like it
@@felipeporto5835agreed
@@felipeporto5835 maybe it's better if they ended up in vhagar camouflage in forest
@@felipeporto5835Exactly, that's lime crashing someone on bike with tank and calling it stealth
@@felipeporto5835 meleys was fucke up tbh, you can see her with a broken leg and flying off balance
I would only change one thing about Rook's Rest: Aegon's involvement. In the show, they made it look like he wasn't ever supposed to be there, while in the book, it is an ambush planned by Criston and it's based specifically on the fact that Meleys, while still alone, had a chance to take Vhagar alone and win, as she was arguably the fastest rider of her time (moondancer would've followed tho change my mind) This wasn't possible however with 2 dragons going at Meleys at once, hence Aegon's presence being inevitable, because Helaena was incapacitated by grief and Daeron was away to Oldtown.
That's just my thoughts!! The rest was pretty neat and well filmed and edited.
If you take it as the books being written as propaganda for the Greens, they would want it to seem like his involvement was on purpose, to seem less incompetent on everyone’s part.
I really like this change, because the books are written as historical text, with bias towards the greens. So it makes sense that history would remember the battle as if Cole and Aemond had planned for Aegon to show up, even though it’s possible the events could have unfolded just as they did in the show, and were simply recorded with bias and lack of context.
@diofromava yes but it also takes away from Rhaenys kinda. implying that vhagar (who although strong, is slow as hell), is just enough for meleys when she has rhaenys as a rider with much more experience than aemond. it is literally said that rhaenys is powerful enough to take vhagar alone, and another dragon HAD to be present for it to be an ambush and an assured victory. aegon's part in this battle was necessary. instead they made rhaenys look like she was 1) dying for nothing (the king had already been put down for all she knows); 2) SURE she was going to die? book!rhaenys only realized it as soon as she saw sunfyre and vhagar together bffr, my girl would be on the dance floor in like 2 secs ready to fuck that big granny up.
plus, i understand the book is built on biases and basically grasping at straws from both the point of view of the maesters and mushroom, but there is a difference between filling these types of gaps and completely rewriting a character as a fool with no irredeemable qualities. that is just what i think! they should've left aegon and sunfyre as a necessary asset and they should've left rhaenys be as strong and as confident in her strength as she is in the books.
@@butter7790 I agree, changing Cole and Aemond’s plan to exclude Aegon does kind of take away from Rhaenys and her experience with Meleys. However, I think it doesn’t necessarily rewrite her character. She was faring well, and it seemed like multiple times she could’ve chosen to disengage and save herself and her dragon, but I think Rhaenys was thinking in that moment that she has lived a full life and if anyone is going to make the sacrifice play, it ought to be her. I do wish Vhagar wouldn’t have sneak attacked her though, doesn’t really make sense that the biggest living creature in the world’s main tactic is stealth lol
@@butter7790 Did you mean Aegon was rewritten as a fool? Because I can agree with you there. There doesn’t seem to be any reason to support Aegon in the show. He is constantly shown to be a bad person, although it is intriguing to watch his mental state decline as he continues to allow the war to be waged without his input. Jealousy and insecurity are portrayed well, at least.
I like how they did this for the screen and I WAS somehow disappointed but I was still happy to see the encounter happen even though it’s nothing like the book
Whats so different.
@@immortal5626 in the book it is described definitely on how the battle went down and the video describes it as it went down in the book
The way it was described it wasn’t like you said it was nothing like the books a bit different but not too far off
I acc think the show version is better in reflection - Aegon wasn’t supposed to be there so he almost ruined the plan, Meleys dealt with him how you’d expect a hardened dragon/rider to deal with a rookie, Aemond hesitance a clear indication he wanted to see his brother die in battle so he can take the throne organically, even at the end of the battle it’s unclear if Aemond goes to to finish Aegon off or not - besides all, the fact Meleys gave Vhagar a run for her money 1v1 makes the outcome of the battle above the gods eye more plausible - lastly, the histories would portray Aegon as a gallant king who went to battle and helped defeat Meleys when we saw reality was nothing like that (which is cool)
Thing is, the show version is the more accurate version of the battle. In the books, both narrators are biased to a side. The book is a recollection of the events and I think they do an incredible job of showing how eye witness accounts perceive such a battle differently.
So I dont see it as two different versions. The show is how it happens, the books are how it was remembered.
Meleys claws are savage
Tbh I was expecting more on the show. Dragons are so slow. Vhagar is like a school bus going 10mph in the sky. If this was accurate she wouldn’t have been a force in the sky at all. Just fly away from her. Also, giving this large school bus a sneak attack stealth ninja-like ability is silly, too.
Agreed!
Cope nerd
You beautifully explained it 😂👍🏻
How would we know whether you’re being honest or not?
The dragon just looks slow just like how watching a plane on the sky looks slow.
Thank you for not spoiling the show!
The Battle of Rook's Rest was iconic, legendary and far more better than the book version!! Hats off to the entire crew, especially to the writers, you did one heck of a job in breaking hearts!! And R.I.P Rhaenys Targaryen, The Queen Who Never Was!!!
I think both are great ways to get to point B meleys and aegon off the board. Its obvious the show wanted to establish vhagar as unbeatable while the book hints Rhaenys had a chance if not for sunfyre dividing her focus.
It just makes the battle over the gods eye going to be 10x more satisfying
it's not going to be satisfying if Vhagar ambushes Caraxes as well
@@lukadzidic8211 no but I imagine that will follow fire and blood closely, Aemond will go on a tear after being pissed he missed daemon at harrenhall and burn the Riverlands killing 40-60k people and were gunna hate him at so much that when he sees dark sister up close well go crazy
How is Godzilla capable of a SNEAK attack!
It's still a great scene! 👌
They should've made a scene or two with them shooting at meleys, especially when he said it's not a surprise, book version slightly better
Sounds better actually instead of the Princess turning around multiple times to get her & her dragon killed. Sounds like I’m the books she was just out bested
Paying my respects for the Queen that never was.
Was looking forward to seeing it on tv
After this battle..
Daemon and Aemond became stalemate.
Reason: Daemon didn't want to meet Aemond in 1v1 and Aemond didn't want to meet 1v2 . So neither met others until the D day because blacks had no choice but for Daemon to take matters in his own hands knowing the possible fate.
Vhagar being way more massive and not taking fall damage at all 🤯
imagine caraxes and meleys as a pair. they would have smomed the both quick
Considering they were the two fastest dragons at the time and had the most battle exp besides Vhagar they absolutely would have fucked sunfyre
If daemon had been around instead of on his psychedelic trip in harrenhall, maybe some of the stuff that went down could have been avoided as the greens wouldn't be so brazen in their attempts to draw out black dragons with the attack. Yes holding the cursed keep is strategic, but daemon should have just gone through the river lands to gather the host instead of waiting for them to come meet him. Send each force to harrenhall as they pledge support and then send the army forth to stop Cole's host from advancing so easily, as that would free daemon up to stay mobile and support the war effort.
They adapted the story for aegon character evolution following his disvussion with aemond and alicent. Very smart adaptation with the same outcome in the end
She brought a knife to a nuke fight.
The show did an amazing job with the battle. I really enjoyed it and have rewatched it a bunch. With that said, I do wish we had seen more of Sunfyre vs Meleys before Vhagar showed up. And the sneak attack by Vhagar, again. I would have preferred the book method of all 3 plummeting to the ground as one.
Wasn’t it that both dragons once concurred the world together at one point.
I like the slight changes to what happened from the books, like we’re seeing what really happened, obviously the history books would wanna hide that aemond purposefully tried to kill the his brother, the king, and that aegon being there wasn’t part of the plan and so in the books sunfyre and vhagar attack together
The soldiers of this time in Westeros must nails for breakfast considering they face down dragons without hesitation
Meleys and Rhaenys both died a true warriors death. No retreat, no surrender. Kept fighting until they drew their last breath.
I saw another video and people were crying that Meyles could have easily got away and not had to go back in. I laughed.
Imagine if Daemon was there..Season ended
I'm tired of this show they make Aegon look like clown 🤡 in the books. People are scared of him. The only way they can make his character redemable is if the burns make him mad and he becomes brutal. I currently prefer the book much more than the show.
Same
I thought they did a far better job strategically with the battle.
Meleyes and Sunfyre clash…Vhagar shows up and attacks both. Fueled by Aemonds disdain . Sunfyre goes down. Meleyes retreats till Rhaenys realizes she has to confront Vhagar. We get a good round 2. Then the conclusion…however, the small gripe I have is how easily Vhagar slipped out of sight so easily…still it was a fun battle…
Just remember folks: no matter what happens from here on out, you will hate the ending.
I love when vermithor charge on vhagar or silverwing
It was great. I could have done without Aemond turning on Aegon, but it was an interesting twist. I just hate Aemond now for what he did to Sunfyre when he could have helped. DO NOT touch our golden boy. As long as they keep sunfyres comeback arch, all will be well.
Surprised she didn't go for the smallfolk again 😅
Wish the battle scene was longer
The shows version was excellent. Soldiers gear was good, it looked spectacular and it was entertaining
Meleys and Caraxes would’ve worked those young bucks.
We have more dragons than the greens, lets send one alone into an obvious ambush that we all think is a strange thing to do, but fuck it. Ah, also, send the best one of us to let em fuck us better!
What can go wrong.
Could've easily been a decoy to lure the dragons away from the main base tho too. Cant put all your dragons in one basket. Hindsight is 20/20
Meleys fans should thank the show directors for giving her a more heroic death than the book did 😂😂😂😂
The show did not give justice to the book version.
I remember the time when GoT betrayals used to be subtle.
If I predict well, Caraxes will lure Vhaegar into thinking the ambush is done and dusted. Once Vhaegar attacks, Caraxes will be ready to dodge the sneak attack making the battle fair for the TV viewers. After all, she's killing many dragons and many want to see her down or maybe fight the Cannibal or Vermithor.
Dont know if its better, but it definitely makes more sense then what happened in the show.
I Loved the Live action version more because it explains how the big green monster Vhagar was able to not be injured in the fight she surprise attacked the Red queen Watching Aegon get cooked was Awesome Watching one of the most bad ass dragons fall to her death was Hard to watch I Love the design of Sun fire she looked SO beautiful
In the books Rhaenys fought both Aegon and Aemon at the same time.
She managed to almost kill Aegon and hurt Vaghar before she was burn to death.
Going by the book is way more expensive for them 🤣 even though it's was more badass 😎
When will Ancalagon the Black make an appearance?
that's from the silmarillion but if he did appear, they wouldn't have a chance
@JoaoSantos-cx7st Thanks my guy, I was just being silly, and I would have to agree with you. What do you think Glaurung would fair against Vhagar?
@ChalupaBatman1 that's hard to say, Glaurung didn't have wings but was quite big in size when fully grown, if vhagar would fight in the ground then glaurung would easily win, considering it's an actual dragon with 4 arms and not only 2 wings
@@JoaoSantos-cx7st I think they'd be friends
I think if Daemon and Jace were there with their dragons this could’ve ended the war
I watched with a watching party of 10 people. and so many in my group wondered why she turned back and attacked. I had to remind them. That was not her prince that was killed. THAT WAS HER GRANDSON. She loved them boys. She might not have felt in her heart as close as she did or does for her granddaughters. But them boys she loved. They did not choose how they where brought into the word. But they called her grandmother and she seen this making up for choice not to burn the greens. I say choice. cause it was not a mistake. it was not her war to start. But she does feel guilt. if she took the brunt for burning the greens. her grandson would still be here.
If you mean Aegon then no. That is her first cousin's son.
@witchking2063 she means lucerys
Vhagar is the ruthless experienced dragon. Because Aegon in the movie is too clown so Vhagar has to use the sneak peak technique to end the fight in an awkward way 😂 😂
The book has its pros and so did the show. With the show it gave us a glimpse into the bond between dragon and dragon rider. Rhaenys and Meleys, with Aegon snd Sunfire. Also the show showed us Rhaenys and Meleys was whoopin Aegon and Sunfire ass. The book told us that Vhagar and Sunfire basically ganged up on Meleys. The books were great but I definitely enjoyed the visuals
I'm normally a book snob,but the extended fight in the show was good.
Very beautiful voice and narration ❤
Vhagar is a fkn menace
I wish they made it like in the books then. Imagine if there is actually 3 dragons spinning making it look like their sigil.
If only Syrax and caraxes joined with Meleys
Daemon was right about killing Vhagar with the help of Meleys and Caraxes in the beginning...
Grandma got run over by a dragon.
Cannot get over why they would risk going with one dragon when they know Vhagar has already killed one of their dragons earlier, logically they should have gone to Rook's Rest in force.
It's like the writer set up the perfect scenario for Meleys to die.
I didn’t like that they had Aemond attack and blast Sunfyre. In the books the brothers worked together to bring down the Red Queen.
The show did a great job. Maybe even better than the book.
Having more dragons than the other side and not using them all is stupid. They should have attcked wherever Amond was with every dragon they had straight away.
Vhagar and Sunfyre are badass dragons
Sunfire’s not badass. Was it a pretty dragon? Yes. Good in battle at some point with a better rider? Probably. But nothing about that dragon on-screen was close to ‘badass’. Come now. Melys reduced it to falling ruble, quickly.
@@m.williams4971Not badass? Sunfyre the only dragon in Westeros that survive three dragon battles
rhaenys and meleys were great brave fighters, the black's big mistake was being reckless in letting her fight alone without support.
I think in the books, Baela and Moondancer came but it's already too late.
I really loved the scene and nothing was too illogical so it's a bingo unlike last episodes shitshow
Minus Vhagar hiding just out of frame lol
Rhaenys, arguably the most evil person in HOTD goes down! Yay!
Meleys is so brave
All hail King Aemond the rightful ruler of the seven kingdoms
Short answer: yes
Kind of similar to the coronations scene, rhaenys choice makes it worse and kind of unrealistic. They had clashed with vhaegar and lost, but were already able to flee. aegon was out, there was no real reason to go back.
The books did it better. They need to do the books justice of they want to win over the book readers.
it took 9 days for them to reply to Lord Staunton BTW.
The show is doing a good job, I liked it alot
I thought Rook’s Rest was excellent on TV; my only two issues is the Vhagar teleportation ambush trick for the second time in a row (especially behind a small castle?) and Meleys was nerfed a bit as in the books she held it down 1 vs 2
My only problem is Vhagar is so slow it would seem just super easy to come from above and take out the rider
Vhagar cheated in both
Books- Vhagas literally had to fall on Meleys when the later had her jaws locked around Sunfyre.
Show- Vhagar got slammed, ran, hid behind the castle and sneak attacked.
Meleys could've have beaten Vhagar but Rhaeneys' hesitation to be a kin slayer and urge to die (caz of her childrens death & husband's infidelity) brought her death.Still Rhaeneys fought valiantly 2v1, killed hundreds of soldiers, crippled Aegon and died a dragonrider's death.
I just hate how in the show she went back to fight even tho sunfyre was down…. Realistically she should have left right away with the fastest dragon to harrenhal or dragon stone.
I think this is one of the few times where it was done better in the show.
The show did it way better. The end of the fight was beautiful when Rhaenys and Meleys met eyes knowing death was near.
Imho, series version is better since the battle was longer and more dramatic since they made Aemond look like he killed Aegon
Yeah, no gleeful cry from Rhaenyes or stones falling🤷🏼♂️. 🤓😎✌🏼
Tbh am not disappointed with what the tv show is doing. 👍
Great explanation between the army they don't have and dragons they do. Cole made a great decision to expect a dragon!! Is the person who made this 12?
The issue I have is that some of the characters are not represented as they are in the books for the sake of the streaming show. I am in favor of staying as true to the book as possible. Otherwise, it isn’t the same story and that is what is supposed to be represented.
The battle of Rooks Rest was close enough to the book to be acceptable. I do appreciate how Rhaenys died compared to the book given it was abrupt while in the show it was more poignant.
The thing is tho GRRM has said that the book is a recount of the maesters from that time so it isn’t accurate. The whole idea with the show is that it tells the true events of the Dance of Dragons, hence why B&C was different and less violent as the maesters likely exaggerated it to make the Blacks looks worse
@@agentsushi5689and who decides that show is more accurate? They are biased towards team black for obvious reasons.
Aemond screwing Aegon made much more sense. I expected the show to do that, and the brothel scene only reinforced my suspicions. I also think the dragons fight was much more consistent this way.
I acc think the show version is better in reflection - Aegon wasn’t supposed to be there so he almost ruined the plan, Meleys dealt with him how you’d expect a hardened dragon/rider to deal with a rookie, Aemond hesitance a clear indication he wanted to see his brother die in battle so he can take the throne organically, even at the end of the battle it’s unclear if Aemond goes to to finish Aegon off or not - besides all, the fact Meleys gave Vhagar a run for her money 1v1 makes the outcome of the battle above the gods eye more plausible - lastly, the histories would portray Aegon as a gallant king who went to battle and helped defeat Meleys when we saw reality was nothing like that (which is cool)