Could Meleys have Defeated Vhagar If.... Size vs Speed Dragons
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
- So, in the books, In the first leg of the Green’s campaign, Criston Cole marched out of King's Landing with a formidable force that consisted of 100 knights, 500 men-at-arms, and three times as many sellswords, totaling around 2,400 men. By the time they reached Duskendale, the army's strength approached 3,000. Later they took a turn northwest and headed to Rook’s rest instead of Harrenhal. There they laid siege on the stronghold of house Staunton, which was the closest sworn house to Rhaenyra in Dragonstone. At Rook's Rest, Rhaenys Targaryen, the Queen Who Never Was, arrived alone with her dragon, Meleys, the Red Queen, to aid Lord Staunton. Criston Cole, anticipating this, had his archers and scorpions ready to attack Meleys. However, the dragon emerged largely unscathed from their assault and retaliated by burning Criston's soldiers with dragonfire.
Now, going to what actually happened in the series, So, in the episode, Criston Cole did the same military maneuvering, emerging from King’s Landing with a significant force albeit lesser in number and swelling in size as the greens marched on to Duskendale. By the time they laid siege in Rook’s rest, the knight of House Staunton estimated the force to number around 1400 or 1500 at the least which means, the real numbers could be twice as much with the soldiers behind the treeline are to be counted. So, yes, they laid siege and then after a while Rhaenys on top of Meleys arrived and burned the invading force on the field. But, instead of both Aegon and Aemond on top of Sunfyre and Vhagar appearing simultaneously, it was different, It was Aegon on Sunfyre that came on to the scene first and engaged in battle with Meleys. The red queen was significantly larger and more powerful than the young golden dragon, dominating the fight. Then Vhagar showed up and after Sunfyre went down crashing, it became a one on one fight between the red and green beast. 
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It still puzzles me how a gigantic dragon keeps ambushing smaller and faster dragons.
because she didn't get that big by being dumb
the mossy green colour would definitely help.
Due to Rhaenys and Meleys flying off in the opposite direction to where Vhagar started to take off again. Let alont the smoke, fog, and clouds overhead. Rhaenys tried too look for Aemond and Vhagar on the ground but couldn't find them so she tried to head home. Vhagar has the experience and knows the best way to kill something is when they lest expect it. So she used the large cliffside to her advantage to gain a sneak attack.
Uses her surroundings. The storm and the cliff edge. Kinda self explanatory no?
Battle experince imho, Vhagar is like a champion gladiator fighting rookies.
That sh** hit me when Meleys looked back at princess Rhaenys before they fell out the sky
You are not alone 😢
Meleys and Rhaenys bond is so deep, they understand each other,.. notice at dragon pit when Rhaenys tell Meleys (another battle again, old girl) Meleys looked back at her, I SWEAR!~!!!! You can watch a clip on that! Meleys understands her rider so much! Such a waste. We wont be seeing this 2 forever tsk
@@clintoyclintoy9025 no, he definitely is not..
I think, it depended on Rhaenys, that they lost. She decided to fly away when Vhagar fell on the ground, instead of attacking her. From that position, Meleys also just simply could have killed Aemond with dragonfire. Anyway the death of Rhaenys and Meleys just really hurt me. :(
Yeah Rhaenys hesitated. She should have committed to going for the kill or bailing, but the time she lost as she tried to choose between the two allowed Vhagar to use the cloud of dust and smoke to get out of there.
Not to mention, a dragon of that size would take a longer time to ascend to the air thus the perfect time to strike
the writers did that bs so they could emphasize Vhagar on the ground. SPECTACLE over reasonable belief. Rhaenys cooking them with a suicide would have been epic and made the most sense.
Rhaenys? More like the writers decided to show off Vhagar's ability to step on two men at once.
the writers purposefully avoided that so they could make Vhagar seem OP and show off the catastrophe to the ground troops. Also to make Aemond scarier than he is. Such silly reductive writing tbh
It's all down to Rhaenys hesitation. Rhaenys should have fled or gone for the kill straight after downing Vhagar. It seems Rhaenys character is that of hesitation and it hasn't served her well. She hesitated to incinerate the greens at the coronation, then failed to eliminate Vhagar when Daemon asked her to join him and finally found her demise second guessing her decision to attack. Poor choices
From the way she's been counseling Rhaenyra you could tell she has no intention in being a Kinslayer. That's where all the hesitations come from.
@@thedigitalbash1506absolutely. But this is war. Do or die.
when vhagar fell, there is no logical explanation why Rhaenys did not go for the kill, or even dracarys Aemond
My thoughts exactly
Meleys was injured and was obscured by the smoke, you can see with the slight “limp” in Meleys briefly after + that’s exactly what she attempted to do just didn’t do it fast enough.
She just had the weight of vhagar crashing down with her.
@@SivEndzeitMay be the visibility was the problem
The explanation is that she was still fighting a much bigger dragon and simple dragon fire would not kill vhagar so what was she suppose to do apart from losing her advantage by going on the ground with vhagar 🙄
@@JuniorSmith-zw7pdwhy bother with vhagar? Just burning aemond would be more than enough. Grounded means vhagars head will be down while aemond will be clearly vulnerable for a dracarys. Burn him from a safe distance and fly away. If suicidal maybe even bite vhagars upper neck or eye area.
Killing the rider alone is much more tactical
your gonna love seeing battle above god's eye.
More tactical but is also more difficult to pull off
Idk man
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Tessarion did not stop fighting even after Daeron was killed
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Yes she absolutely could have. She bodied Vhagar. If Rhaenys had flown down to attack Vhagar while she was down Meleys could have killed her
Lol no
That's what i was thinking because it was so obvious that she had the ability to just attack while she was grounded. Then it was so stupid of her to fly over the cliff; it's like you're one of the best dragon riders with lots of battle knowledge but you're stupid enough to leave yourself open from below.
@@Just-Ignore-It_88she literally threw Vhagar into the dirt, almost gutted her and came out unharmed
@@Just-Ignore-It_88 ?
@@Just-Ignore-It_88 did you even watch the show? Or even read the books?
Meleys could have easily won if rehnys just kept tailing vhaghar just like she did with sunfyre , like jets in a dog fight ...stay above vhaghar keep burning aemond and target her wings ....as meleys is more nimble even if vhaghar were to try to get close she could have evaded .... Even at last she should have tried to take height so that she can spot vhaghar .... And above else as she managed to put vhaghar on the ground she should have kept an eye .... There is no way she expected her to be injured just because of a crash.... I feel bad for meleys man.. ......
Meleys fought two dragons and had been burning the Green army. She was exhausted; a 1v1 battle would definitely clip a win in her favour.
Yeah that part makes no sense. Meleys should have been able to come back and burn Vhagar before the grandma dragon could take off again.
@@TrungNguyen-mq4qk Thought the same. As soon as Vhagar was on the ground, Meleys would have enough time to burn Aemond and with this makes Vhagar riderless.
Also I need to say, @XsDeLyCaN is right. Staying above Vhagar would have been the key. I'm still a little confused how you can loose the track of such a big creature, there was not enough smoke to loose just a big dragon if you stay focused the whole time. And Dragons have eve better eyes then humans.
The first attack should have been Meleys getting above Vhagar. Yes Vhagar successful attacked both times from being under the other dragon as an ambush, but most flying birds of prey attack from above because you can easily look down or grab things UNDER you, but not above. Meleys could have easily getting above Vhagar and so evading getting bitten by her in the first attack. Also ambushing from above is very possible as well. As example in Avatar with toruk.
I think they will use that as reason why Vhagar looses in her last battle
Killing Vhagar may have not be possible for Meleys, but making her riderless and with this taking her to the neutral side, would have been possible
She could've done something while Vhagar was on the Ground, but that would've harmed more people on the ground, her people(tho she could've harmed them earlier, idk. I think that may be the logic. Tho I could be wrong when I have to rationalize a Nana Vhagar sneak attack
@@SonderDAzeX that's one of the main points the man in the field were with the greens laying siege it would have been even better.... Most the people of the rooks rest ( blacks side ) were in the castle or on the walls not in the field...
How can you lose sight of a jumbo jet??????
Actually Vhagar has the ability to turn into an ant size dragon and become undetectable
The castle is on the edge of a cliff over looking the sea. Vhagar was below the cliff out of site. The timing was the most unrealistic thing about it.
@@Sephiroth1550yeah unless the big iguana was clinging on to the cliff side it was way to perfect of a timing
The moment Vhagar crashed into the ground. Meleys rider could have had her burn Aemond alive on the spot.
Eve Best said that Rhaenys was targeting the Dragons, not the rider, tho it's kinda like, well if you're in the air and your dragon gets Murked the rider's gonna fall too and potentially die(Exacty Like Rhaenys did). Perhaps she just wanted to injure the dragons????
@@SonderDAzeX maybe but best way to end the fight all together is to kill the rider
@@SonderDAzeXshe hesitated?? God damm it thats why they died. Had she fought with the intent to kill both rider and dragon she couldve killed aemond and survived :( . Makes her death even sadder as she was close to killing aemond
@@kimberlyplatt2382 not really, I'd expect the dragon to react to their rider being Dracarys especially in combat. Dracarys-ing Aemond would make Vhagar more unpredictable and completely out of ones command.
@@jeffreysamson5938 what do u mean hesitated? When she turned around and told Meleys "Angos"?
The way Vhagar ambushed Meleys was kind of senseless. A slow giant dragon is somehow behind a small keep waiting for the fastest dragon to pass by. It would require an explosive takeoff from Vhagar that seems physically impossible. We have seen multiple times how hard it is for Vhagar to take off.
Vhagar is like a trex
Those dinosaurs were huge and somewhat fast but they where silent predators who moved slowly , ambushed prey and attacked quick
From scientists analysis of trex footprints they didnt make much sound when they moved either
Similar with Vhagar
Vhagar glides more in the air and is very quiet that way too
Its how she kills Luce in season 1
@@shippendales8543 Exactly! Always the same move by the showrunners.
Yea it's so dumb. Vhagar dosent do any sneak attacks other than when he kills arryax but they were high in the clouds so that's much more sensible. In the books that's the only instance. I think it was stupid Herr. As if vhagar needs sneak attacks....
@@shippendales8543comparing vhagar to a t Rex is laughable. Vhagar was bigger than storms ends walls but somehow hides behind rooks rest....while moving here slow as to time a sneak attack. It's just laughable to see anyone acting like this is plausible. She was just taken to the ground. Took a good minute to get flying again. Somehow hides....and then times a sneak attack on the fastest dragon ....
The storm and the cliff edge. Kinda self explanatory no?
In all honesty vaghar should have broken her wings with that fall
Or legs easily
In all honestly none of the dragons should be able to fly.
thank you! finally someone else notices this so it's not just me... Meleys had the upper hand until the writers remembered that in the books she dies so they made that bs sneak attack from Vhagar work
@@lukadzidic8211 in all honesty without any plot armour in this fight she would die even faster. Logically a dragon like vhagar would obliterate Meleys 90% of the time.
@@Bro-dot- not really vaghar is strong yes but also way too big and slow in the sky clash Meleys didn’t force vaghar into any directions by using force but outmaneuvered her using vaghars own vast weight to change the direction of the clash
I think Meleys could of given Vhagar a good fight with a good possibility of winning do to how fast she is, you can see how slow Vhagar is, the ONLY reason she lost was of course Vhagar's surprise attack which I was actually surprised that happened, especially given Vhagars HUGE size and not see that coming for you???, that fight was hard to watch how Meley's died :(.
When vhagar was grounded meleys couldve burned aemond or went in for vhahars upper neck area..... her death is even sadder now as meleys couldve ended the war and survived 2 dragons !!!!!
Size doesnt matter when you are flat on your back- but then again if Melys killed Vhagar, that would have pretty much ended the dance , and we all dont want that
When Vhagar crashed onto the ground, Meleys could have done a sharp turn and laid fire to Aemon. Concluding that Vhagar would have been emotionally disconnected and now riderless at that point, therefore having less of an incline to continue the fight for the greens. Meleys was definitely a formidable fighter. Rhaenys and The Red Queen Meleys were my favorite from the very beginning in the show.
How can meleys not sense vhegar coming up to bite her??? I hate when shit doesn’t make sense.
meager writers do this shit,. remember GoT season 6-8? LOL it was a joke
The same way Sunfyre didn’t notice Meleys striking from below.
@GLitiatc0 That make more sense because meleys is known for her speed and is a more experienced dragon and has an experienced dragon rider, compared to the juvenile sunfyre with the fool aegon as the dragon rider
@@mr.commonsense6645 by that point Meleys was tired and injured from her clash with Vhagar. She looked longingly at Rhaenys who was also tired herself before the two were ambushed less than a minute later
Despite Vaghar being the biggest thing on Earth, she is surprisingly good at hiding!
doesnt sum up. I guess the writers are too dumb to know density and kind of matters
4:18 half the size?!?!?!? She was 1/3 on the screen when they both were falling down
It’s a good discussion but when GRRM mentions half the size it means half the length just like presented in the video based on mass yes vhagar is 5 to 8 times the size of meleys. And yet you can see the length difference between the two dragons from the shot below when soldiers are looking up the sky.
How Rhaenys feels about kin (at least how the show writers portray her) maybe why she didn't rain down fire on Aemond, when Meleys was able to stay in the air and Vhagar wasn't. The look Meleys gives before they turn back.
Meleys never stood a chance of beating Vhagar in a 1v1.
So many people aren't understanding what happened in this fight. Meleys didn't knock vhagar down, it's actually the exact opposite. Vhagar was the one who brought the fight down to the ground
As vhagar and meleys flew towards each other, Vhagar grabbed Meleys by the leg and broke it, then began dragging meleys down to the ground. Vhagar knew meleys wouldn't be able to take flight again with a broken leg, which would've made her a sitting duck.
As they got closer to the ground Vhagar had to release meleys leg so she could start slowing her own descent rate, thus cushioning her landing.
Meleys almost touched the ground, but she had just enough time/altitude to flap her wings to create lift and save herself from impact with the ground.
You contradict yourself.
"Vhagar broke Meleys leg knowing Meleys wouldn't be able to take flight again"
"but Meleys had just enough time/altitude to flap her wings to create lift and save herself from impact"
So what you're saying is that Meleys did have a chance, because Meleys did take off after the fall. Nothing you said really made sense, because Vhagar released Meleys when Meleys clawed her abdomen, only reason Meleys died in the show is b/c Rhaenys had a lapse of tactical thought and went back to the battlefield instead of just going back home. I am not talking about booklore in this comment, strictly what happened in the show.
@@notablebias Meleys didnt impact the ground, she managed to stay aloft after vhagar released her.
@@kylemma33 "Meleys didn't impact the ground." That is exactly what I said, so Meleys did have a chance is what you're saying. Meleys didn't hit the ground. The only reason Meleys died is because they went back into the fight. That is what my argument was about.
She couldve killed the entire green at S1, lesson learned, kill your enemy while you have the upper hand.
Nah, she can have that. She be written as KinSlayer through filth.
I'm not sure there was a better all around fighting dragon (based on the show versions so far) than Meleys. That being said I think they should have kept it more like the books, bc the Vhagar unrealistic ambush attacks will get old fast. If vhagar attacked from above while Sunfyre and Meleys were locked up it would just make a ton more sense.
Meleys looked big/strong enough to kill or inflict heavy damage to Vhagar IMO, but I don't think the eagle attack from a head on merge would be the ideal way either. It would be easy for her to get in a trail position and not allow Vhagar to attack her face up.
It will be interesting how they do the fight w/ Caraxes, bc unlike Meleys, show version Caraxes doesn't look to have the head/jaw size to really inflict damage on Vhagars giant neck. Show Caraxes looks like he weighs much less than Meleys w/ less muscular strength. Much smaller jaws too. They should have made him a good bit bigger IMO.
The only reason why I like this alternative fight between Meleys and Vhagar was because it was just that an actual fight. In the book Meleys doesn't even get the opportunity to take on Vhagar just literally drops down on her and instantly pretty much kills her... if you want to get technical either outcome was a sneak attack on Vhagars part. But in the tv series Meleys get to show just how bad ass she is even knocking Vhagar off balance and causing her to crash!!!!
Seriously man, how can you say that Ambush was unrealistic? I mean, the unrealistic part was that Rhaenys allowed to Vhagar sneak up on them by simply leaving the battle field.
The show is better as melys actually got a chance to fight vhagar
@@sudemglaibasumatary6050 Ambushing is just a theme to make things easier in films. Same can be said with how Sunfyre lost track of Meleys after their merge...sure the fire was in the way, but only in movies/shows do people "lose track" of the "bad guy" that is a threat to their life.
Vhagar was dominate that whole entire fight. Vhagar was the one that grabbed Meleys. Vhagar was the one who did the most significant fire damage and melee damage to both rider and Dragon. People think that Meleys won the fight when Vhagar went crashing towards the ground. Which is just dead wrong. You have to take into count the size difference between them. It's much eaiser for a dragon half the size to be able to regain flight from such a position. Vhagar is the one to push Meleys away before she hit the ground to save herself and Aemond. If Meleys was in control she would of kept hold of Vhagar's feet so Vhagar couldn't turn and fall on her back killing Aemond and hurting herself. In a free fall, let alone a spinning freefall where two dragons are entangled and fighting. It's hard for Vhagar to regain flight. The only chance is if Meleys quickly turned back around when Vhagar hit the ground to try and get the advantage. But either Aemond or Vhagar could of seen her do this and Vhagar could of turned around in time. There's a reason that Daemon and Caraxes had to commit suicide to kill Aemond and Vhagar.
Finally someone that makes sense. These smaller dragons have no chance one on one to win without themselves being mortally wounded themselves. In the short span Vhagar and Caraxes locked together, Vhagar ripped his wing off and spilled his guts.
There are many ways for Vhagar to kill the other dragons, but the other dragons can only win recklessly.
I think a lot of people are pretending too hard to be experts on dragon on dragon combat. Even ignoring that they have minds and wills of their own and that they're not mindless beasts or fighter jets, by the time Meleys had thrown Vhagar to the ground she was tired and injured. Her leg was fucked (which would make it near impossible to grapple and, seeing as shes still a living thing, would mean she was in a LOT of pain) and one of her spines had been ripped off, which clearly hurt. Meleys was in pain, injured, and tired. That look she gave Rhaenys while they were flying made that clear, and they'd already suffered some of Vhagar's fire.
Now could Meleys have gotten above Vhagar before they clashed? Maybe. Shes faster, but Vhagar was over twice the size with more combat experience. She and Aemond would either try to match her ascent, or (what i would do) they'd dive lower before rising towards Meleys to still meet her head on. Which is more likely especially considering how much Vhagar likes her "from down under" approach. Going under Vhagar in their initial encounter where the larger dragon can't grab Meleys with her jaws as easily was the right move the more i think about it, as the only way they were getting on top of Vhagar is if she was distracted or static. She may be slower, but Vhagar is pretty clearly not slow despite her size and age.
Now when Meleys threw Vhagar to the ground as already clarified, she was exhausted, injured, and chances are she was terrified. She just came out of one fight and immediately entered another with a dragon much larger than her. Had she and Rhaenys turned back in time though they could have killed Aemond. Or if they had even continued to fly away from the battlefield. But what everyone also seems to ignore is that it would have taken very little time for Vhagar to run to the cliff and dive down, as she was already starting to do the moment she hit the ground because staying grounded was a death sentence and she knew it. So Meleys didnt have much time TO turn back and get Vhagar in the first place, or rather to get Aemond on her back. Had Meleys not fought Sunfyre previously, had she been fresh and her blood roaring, then it's likely that she would have been in the mindset to immediately turn back on Vhagar in time and go for Aemond, as would Rhaenys who was likely already tired of bloodshed.
But in the end, Rhaenys isn't a cold and unfeeling person, and Meleys isn't a mindless monster. They feel. They think. And that was their undoing. Had Rhaenys and Meleys been more like Daemon and Ceraxes in their temperament, this would be Aemonds end. Possibly Vhagars as well. But they're not. It's what made Rhaenys a better person at the end of the day and Meleys reputed as a queen, and not a brute.
As unfortunate as that may be for everyone else after this fight.
Excellent argument 🍷
good argument finally, but how did vagar go so fast to the cliff?
"and Meleys reputed as a queen, and not a brute" Bars man.
@@adrianoss.bougas3720 She ran and swooped down, she got up almost immediately after she crashed.
When you say it like that, it really wouldn't have made sense for Meleys to kill both of them alone, that would have killed the whole Vhagar hype quickly. But they should have made it either like it was in the book or a little bit more logical, these underside stealth attacks are getting ridiculous atm, it was so out of character stupid for Rhaenys to fly so low not having sight of Vhagar. Also if Vhagar died here it would have been the end of the dance and that's impossible atm. I really thought they'd make more of that gash Meleys inflicted to Vhagar's belly and then have it play an effect in Vhagar's future fights, namely with Caraxes who could maybe exploit that wound or something in order to gain something of an upper hand. Though as someone else mentioned before, I think the only chance Caraxes has is a swoop from above directly at the rider and top of Vhagar's head because they made his head so small in the show I really see no other way for him to kill her.
i dont know about vhagar but she could have easiy roasted aemond after vhagar fell to the ground. stupid decison to fly away at that moment instead of attacking.
No she couldn't the dragon was not taking any orders after barely missing its death its just not a realistic thought to not take a break fighting a much bigger opponent
It was like the fight between Oberyn and The Mountain but with Dragons!!!
Haha yeah
Oberyn died to his hubris, Maeleys died b/c her rider was conflicted with the players in the match.
I am waiting for Caraxes to avenge the red queen meleys 😭
I don't know how and if Meleys could of won but what I know for sure it's that is bad writing that sneak attack of Vhaghar who ended the fight. I mean it's impossible not to see a dragon as big as a Boeing 747 let's be serious...
You should watch the episode again. There is a cliff behind the castle and the shot with meleys behind the cliff was done on purpose.
and hiding behind a tiny castle to then explosively take off😂
😂Bigger, I supposed.
I agree with you, but no one was so finicky when battle of the bastards aired. It has way more dumb things than this episode (sansa not telling jon about the knights of the vale, that arrive without being seen/heard by anyone...) but still it was acclaimed as "WoOoow BeSt fight Eveerrrr". I think this dragon fight is overall very well written and directed, with only a small problem at the end that is the stupidity of rhenys and the ability of vhagar to "disappear and reappear". But I really don't get this uneven treatment beetween GOT and HOTD
She's like a rex that ambushes from the sky 😂
after killing the king she could have just fly back and report, they didn't know there were 2 dragons let alone Vhagar
I agree Meleys could have absolutely killed Vhagar if Rhaenys didn’t go there as basically a suicide mission 😭 when Vhagar fell to the ground Rhaenys should have had Meleys immediately ascend into the air and dive bomb them when Aemond rose back into the sky looking for them. That way Meleys would have been on Vhagars back, killed Aemond, AND had had free reign to do as much damage as possible while forcing Vhagar to hit the ground hard without giving her time to right herself in the air, thus killing her.
Vhagar is huge and experienced in warfare sure, but she’s also old and SLOW. Meleys, while not as young as the young dragons the other Targaryens have save Daemon, is still relatively in her prime dragon wise and is smaller and thus faster. I have no flipping idea why none of the riders deploy proper fighting tactics 😭
its ridiculous how a godzilla sized dragon can perform an ambush
Yet Godzilla does it as well, lol
godzilla does it in the first movie, ambus without a sound lol
I feel like if she could get above vhagar and slam down on her back and possibly crushing Aemond it would have been over
Based on lore, Meleys is faster and arguably more vicious than Vhagar. Could have easily beat her by outpacing and striking, but we have to follow the books.
Exactly!! Can you please tell the people in the argument with 60 replies the same thing because they are pretty literate and are yapping about random things.
@@chocolatemilk10101 vaghar is more expirienced that is why she sneak attacks also when they went head on vaghar decided to go on top of melys and grab her by the foot that shows vaghar fought dragons before
and no she could not DEFEAT VAGHAR SIZE MATTER A LOT SAME GOES FOR melys fighting sunfyre
@@chocolatemilk10101 you are the one yapping nonsense
@@chocolatemilk10101Vhagar is pretty much the apex of the dragons... Like a rex that ambushes out from nowhere in flight. 😂
No, she could barely harm Vhaegar. Aemond had a clear plan and copied what Rhaenys did to Aegon.
Could Meleys defeat Vhagar 1 on 1? Yes definately. The match up is absolutely still in Vhagar's favour, but Meleys would not be defencless.
This battle actually highlights one of Vhagar's most crippling weaknesses. If she falls from the sky, she'll take much longer to get back up than other dragons. Now of course, if both dragons were on the ground, Vhagar would crush pretty much any of the one on one (Except maybe Vermithor) but if the other is in the sky, Vhagar is at a massive disadvantage. We've seen many times, Vhagar needs quite the running start in order to take off, and when she does, she's not nimble at all. Her size, weight and age do have their advantages, but they also has severe disadvantages.
When Meleys and Vhagar first collided, neither was able to land a fatal blow, and when they broke apart, Meleys was able to stop herself from hitting the ground, but Vhagar couldn't. Had Rhaenys immediately turned back around, she probably could have swooped down and killed definately Aemond and maybe Vhagar. I think what happened is that she was, rightfully, terrified of Vhagar, and once they were apart, she and Meleys immidately retreated. Then after a moment of thought, she turned back around to fight. Notice how Rhaenys was focused on the ground as she flew. She must have thought, or hoped, Vhagar was still on the ground. But then, it only took one good hit to end the fight. That's Vhagar's biggest strength. She only needs one solid hit to kill pretty much any other dragon (again, except maybe Vermithor).
So again, I do think the fight is definately in Vhagar's favour, but also yes, Meleys could defeat Vhagar 1 on 1, just not every time.
Vaghar is apparently "the greatest power in the realm" but she only wins by surprise attack 🤔?
Just a note that a lot of the images you're showing while mentioning Vhagar are actually Vermithor~
It’s hard for some people not to be biased and it shows when people favor Meleys over Vhagar. Meleys had no chance to win, even if she was my favorite of the two. The only victory that could be had from her and Rhaenys is if they killed Aemond, which would actually be plausible; but they weren’t killing Vhagar.
When you see the two dragons lock together it is Meleys that is burnt, battered and injured with her grappling leg, which is seen held close to her body after she flies off. Vhagar on the other hand shrugged off the fall and without a beat raced off in anger. If you rinse and repeat the process it would be Meleys that would succumb to injury.
And even if Meleys did bite into Vhagar on the neck she would have died herself. Not a spoiler but it’s made very clear that should a dragon latch onto a larger one on the neck it’s then vulnerable to being clawed and and torn apart, especially when you factor in the size disparity.
BROOOO
The Red Queen would have ripped-apart Granny's belly over-time just like you saw when she maimed her belly the first time.
Granny+Aemond realized Granny could not afford another head-on faceoff against the Red Queen and decided to sneak up on her.
Moreover, the fire damage was mutual to both sides.
@@musiclover9518 would have my ass , vhagar was way larger and way more experienced and skilled , and she won , logical result , stop dreaming with your would have , and could have 😏
@@musiclover9518 I agree:3
@musiclover9518 Those little scratches did nothing. Yall are delulu.
@@Aaron_Guest yeah. We just watched a delulu version of Granny doing 180° agonising head turn just after the Red Queen "scratched Granny's itchy belly" right???
OR maybe your Delulu eyes just watched it on your 90s granny tv 📺 with your 480p quality pirated download.
Wonder what Vhagar eats since she has a big stomach and needs bigger prey. Some sort of big mammal like elephants to keep her going.
Scary thought but I think Vhagar’s fast despite her size is because compared to Old Valyrian higher noble families the Targaryens’ dragons are still “small”
It amazes me how no one has noticed Meleys' right leg was fucked..
Yep, and that vhagar got up almost immediately. It’s just their hindsight.
Size does not matter and caraxes fight vs vhagar will prove it. Position, timing to hit critical points and experience of the rider, thats it. Sure both dragons will die, but that is proof that size is not everything. Disappointing how Vhagar does appear out of nowhere with good speed and being so big and catches maleys. Makes no sense to catch fastest dragon like that.
Maylese is what's considered a "horse" dragon and vhagar is a "trex" dragon which means that maylese is a lot faster and more maneuverable than vhagar which is proven when vhagar had a hard time reaching maylese and when maylese slammed vhagar to the ground and flew away while almost hitting the ground. It's also stated in the books that maylese is able to kill vhagar but it was the riders fault (rhaenys) that maylese was killed since she fell into an obvious trap which she should've realized since she has a LOT of experience. And it's not like the greens wouldn't gain other dragons later in the war and they still have dream fyre the 3rd biggest dragon. So YES maylese would have killed vhagar if rhaenys didn't overlook the obvious trap. Also i just argued with 6 people and they all rambled on about how size is the only factor in dragon fights... then when i told them to try and argue they just said that they would ignore me even though i just wanted to have an actuall argument.
(Sorry for the long paragraph)
Then when they tried to argue they started making up things that i supposedly said and when i listed real evidence over, and over, and over, again they just said the same things and admitted to looking up facts and i stated things without looking up anything because unlike them i actually read the books and know what happens during the war and they had the audacity to say that people who were helping me; were actually arguing on their side.
I don’t think Meyles is a horse breed dragon I feel like she’s more of the trex breed, she has the horns and the feel of one but her head is a little slim kinda like syrax but not quite, to me she’s a mix of a horse breed and trex
@@bolteli4739 true but she is the fastest dragon so maybe she inherited more of the horse genes than trex since she isn't as nimble as other dragons but much faster.
@@chocolatemilk10101 yea maybe, I wish they’d put out a chart saying what every breed all the dragons are
@@bolteli4739 yeah but it also brings the community together to try and figure it out🤔
@@chocolatemilk10101 true true
Rhaenys should have got got Meleys to breathe fire on Vhagar's back when she was down. With luck she could have burned Aemond alive and the Greens would have lost Vhagar.
Perhaps, I wonder how that would've affected Vhagar tho.
@@SonderDAzeX I doubt a single fire breath would kill Vhagar, it might give her a nasty burn but she should live.
@@hannibalsmyth6779 No, no . thats not what I meant, What I mean is the Emotional reaction from Vhagar(If any) of Meleys burning/Killing Aemond. I know Dragons are heat resistant the more they age but i dont think that necessarily Nerfs Vhagar, If anything it may be more detrimental.
@@SonderDAzeX Well this actually happened in Fire & Blood. I won't spoil it but what may happen is that the dragon would go berserk, so in this case Vhagar may have attacked the Greens.
@@hannibalsmyth6779 The greens or Meleys on the Battlefield?
Meleys could have definitely escaped to fight another day. Meleys was worn out before Vagar got involved
it was the fault of the rider. Missed the chance when the oppurtunity was there. And when she shouldve went away after the missed oppurtunity she decided to go for it again and exposed herself heavily on top of that, shit pissed me off
Meleys is clearly superior in battle, she could've won for sure, just like a falcon sometimes attacks and takes down birds much bigger than itself. They did her dirty, even though the CGI was amazing.
Meleys and Rhaenys died because their tactics kinda sucked. Their mistakes includes:
Approaching from altitiude instead of treetop height. They would have been visible later if they had been at tree top height.
Approached perpendicular to the target army instead of parallel. The result was burning a section of the army rather then the full length.
Spent too long burning the army and didn't check for enemy dragons. Had they noticed Sunfyre earlier they could have gained altitude for an advantage in the fight.
Not using altitude in general. Being higher would be a big advantage as you can trade altitude for speed and attack the enemy from above where their claws can't reach.
Egressing from the fight at low altitude. Had they gone higher they would have seen Vhagar coming and could have avoided or mitigated the attack.
Not to mention sending Meleys alone was pretty dumb. Even Jace and Vermax or Baela and Moondancer on lookout would have made a big differnce as they can warn Meleys and Rhaneys when the Greens approach and harass them with quick diving attacks. They weren't sent because they are apparently inexperience but what better way to gain experience then sortieing with an experienced dragon and rider. Not to mention that with the loss of Meleys and Rhaneys they will likely have to fly into battle since the Blacks don't have many other options
I noticed Meleys has a distinct tactic where she would bite to take hold of the enemy dragon then rake its belly/chest with claws of its hind legs. Did it with Sunfyre and Vhagar.
Yeah yeah just like Vhagar biting the neck of her opponent. Each dragon has its own fighting strategy.
To all yall clowns talking bout speed and agility, where was this with Vhagar vs Luke??? or Balerion vs Quicksilver.
Stop the cap.
And Vermithor vs Seasmoke.
Vhagar vs Arrax at least was in the clouds so you can make a decent argument that the sneak attack was somewhat plausible. But this scene? There's absolutely no argument that can explain it and make any sense whatsoever
@@HakaiKaien There was a huge cliff much bigger than Vhagar along the entire coastline and also a castle, a huge cloud of smoke and ashes rose when Vhagar fell and that hid her, and add that Rhaenys and Meleys went in the opposite direction to take a breathe before looking for Aemond and Vhagar.
Taking all that into account, the surprise attack makes sense.
Besides, if it were Aemond who rode Meleys and Rhaenys to Vhagar, no one would complain about that, it's just a cope.
@@edgarrojas5060 And how does one turn their back completely and let a dragon the size of castle hide there and not even take a look behind? How does one fall for their own trick? Because Meleys used the castle and the cliff exactly in the same manner before Vhagar did. And what are the odds that Vhagar just happened to pop out behind the castle at that time? Also Meleys had no reaction whatsoever even though she had a solid second of full visibility on Vhagar. She did not even flinch in that instance.
How does this make any sense?
We all knew that Meleys was going to die in this fight but not in this bullshit scenario. If they didn't want to recreate the scene from the books, there were tons of other ways to kill Meleys that would have been believable and more surprising.
The Red Queen would have ripped-apart Granny's belly over-time just like we saw when she maimed her belly the first time.
Granny+Aemond realized Granny could not afford another head-on faceoff against the Red Queen and decided to sneak up on her.
that's what a t rex will do if ever fought with a smaller dino like a raptor he would sneak attack is how nature works my guy also do you think visenya didnt train vaghar be so sneaky
She didn't rip her stomach. She pinch clawed her upper torso (chest). Plus it seems like the dragons leak a oil substance when their chest bursts so Meleys could of breathed fire on Vhagar chest and would of caused serious damage.
@@Just-Ignore-It_88 one bite by vaghar and melys is dead do you really think a less expirience dragon like melys can somehow avoid vaghar's expirienced battle tactics
@@DarklotusDD2 Dont care whoever the yell else does it. It definitely IS a coward move🤷♀
@@musiclover9518 well its how nature works nature can be a coward maybe go watch more documentaries you will understand
Do u think meleys still wanted to fight back after vhagars fall!l? When u rewatched the episode meleys looked back to rhaeneys like “don’t U think thats enough”? But rhaneys wanted to go back and obviously dragons can’t disobey their riders 😢
Meleys was an absolute monster. Rhaenys was just stupid and emotional. She could have won the war by herself TWICE. Either burn the greens when you gad the chance or gang up on Vhagar with Daemon. She chose to do neither and that majestic beast died for nothing
The fact Vhagar was able to make it to the cliff side to ambush Vhagar makes it pretty clear that Vhagar was quickly able to recover. Meleys wasn’t going to be able to make this unheard of perfect attack while Vhagar was on the ground. The ground is the worst place to engage a large dragon as it now doesn’t have to worry about falling, it can just grab you and thrash about, which is what we will eventually see if the show follows the book
Why do they never go for raking attacks of the wings of the larger dragons? Come from behind above or below and just run those giant claws over the outer edge of this wings. Make them slow as hell and then try to shoot the rider while they can’t catch up with you.
Or like set Vhagars wings on fire shes so much bigger and slower it should of been harder for her dodge Meleys flames
@@JCleary2009the fire ain’t going to do much with a 100 year age difference disadvantage.
Meleys raking Vhagar’s wings is much more viable
The wing tear using the wings outer claws is a solid strategy. Especially for a dragon like meleys who can swoop down fast.
It starts at 5:25. Thanks.
In an open field, Rhaenys/Meleys wins 4 out of 10 times she 1 vs 1s Vhagar IMO.
Exactly what I've been saying, there's just a surprising amount of people who are willing to excuse lazy writing / directing that leads to contrived deaths, no reason for Rhaenys to shut off her brain a la artillery outside Winterfell since she could attacked Vhagar right in front of her or have flown higher after resting to avoid blind spots, you can see Vhagar from the International Space Station, & this was after the Last Jedi / Clark Griswold comedy of errors that led to Lucerys dying instead of Aemond being a stronger character as in the book, like when I was growing up we all knew that we had to be careful with all kinds of animals, never mind ones with big teeth that were more than 10x our size (that also breathe fire), so it is really implausible that Aemond would have just not realized that Vhagar could do whatever she wanted if something caught her eye, Viserys definitely told his son what he told his daughter Rhaenyra on-screen about the illusion of controlling the dragons
Again, contrived deaths are for GoT Seasons 4-8, not HotD
If Vhagar has no direct means of ambush and Meleys kept slamming her against the ground down to exhaustion then definitely
Of course Meleys could but the strategy was all wrong. She would need to be like a falcon and dive bomb vhagar from higher altitude; climb high and go after the large wings.
Rhaenys just didn’t use her head tried to rush Vhagar head on.
The writers are giving unfair advantage to Vhagar. She's massive and ofcourse uses ambush and stealth, but as experienced as Meleys was, she'd know this and fly higher. Also, there's no way Vhagar could fly and hide around the beach and exactly time Meleys' neck to fly upwards.
Meleys could've clawed or bit Vhagars eyes off for a start flying from above and behind. But that's okay. Because these tactics is exactly how Vhagar goes down facing the most agile and bloodthirsty dragon.
This case is like when someone says that Batman or Toji Zenin (Jujutsu Kaisen anime) beat any character in their respective universes if they have a strategy and prior preparation and does exactly what the fans want they to do, but in the end it doesn’t turn out that way, in every battle there are conditions that can benefit to one or another fighter, and in this case the conditions were in favor of Vhagar.
And if you say that it was because Rhaenys and Meleys didn’t attack Aemond and Vhagar from behind while they were on the ground, then yes they did 6:00 At that moment when Vhagar falls Meleys breathes fire towards Vhagar's back and retreats momentarily to take a breath before continuing because in case you didn't notice, she had a broken leg, she was tired and disoriented from the fight just like Rhaenys, while Vhagar and Aemond were in better condition, so even if they had collided head-on again Vhagar would have defeated Meleys, and I don’t deny that the Red Queen had a chance against Vhagar but in this case it wasn’t like that.
Well if the battle where held on open fiel or open see Meleys had thee advantage of speed and Osteoderms (the Ankylosaurus skins) the plan would be use the Speed to hurt multiple times the massive Vhaegar, because a direct confrontation, Vhaegar had the size and power
You made some good points. Didn't think about that. From what I've seen dragons aren't nearly as capable while grounded. Rhaynes could've flown her down for some serious damage maybe crippling a wing.
im confused how the big heavy dragons can ambush the fast ones idk how
A detail i love is how meleys vs sunfire goes, you can really see how intelligent and nimble meleys is (and rhaenis)
Aegon is just "Drakarys" which in a dragon combat we sew is not that big of a deal, while Rhaenis is just "Attack Meleys", and meleys in a second avoid the dragon breath and demolish the unexperienced sunfyre.
Meleys probably was the strongest dragon in the dance offensively, but durability/endurance were not her best, and we sew the result...
Such a beautiful episode
Actually, this was basically a Mountain vs Oberin fight, where esitation lost both.
Actually her defense was quite impressive, she had a very solid & robust build, shorter & thicker neck covered in spikes and bone plates which withstood Vhagar's extreme bite force for a few moments before breaking.
Definitely not offensively. As Vhagar is capable of burning even smaller dragons as well as biting them off. However Meleys is definitely the most skilled and agile dragon.
Agree with other people here. Attack like a fighter pilot (before long range missiles) or bird of prey, get above and behind with the sun over your shoulder and take out Aemond with fire. Vhagar probably flies back to Kings Landing and it's game over for the Greens. Rhaenys and Meleys can fry the rest of the troops, kill Cole and Aegon and the throne is Rhaenyra's for the taking.
The size of Vhagar... they can also let Vhagar be seen on the ground, stuggling with its size still... while Meley turns around going for the kill, at the same time Vhagar saw Meley rush down then adjust his body to counters her... then let size win the battle. Vhagar ambush is just so GoT S8.
Rhaenys was my favorite character legit. And I loved the design of her dragon. But she’s now had 2 instances where she makes the absolutely WRONG choice. The first one was when she didn’t turn all of the greens in one spot last season. And her choice to not just run back to rhaenyra. She had successfully wounded sunfyre a lot. Instead she chose to stay and fight when she knew she had no chance. Even if her plan was to wound vagar it still would have been better to retreat. Now because of her choices they have one less dragon on their side.
Meleys has to be the coolest looking dragon of the lot.
I get the feeling that with their scouts they would of seen Vhagar from a mile away.. And seeing that he wasn't seen (For some reason, perhaps traveling at night?) they only sent one Dragon out.. Being so damn close to Dragonstone, it probably would of been wise to send at least 2 dragons (Or 3). Like lets be real here, if Vhagar comes for Dragonstone.. there's not much they can do at this point. Like Seamoke has no rider/The non riderless dragons won't get involved/would likely hide or ignore it.. So it would only really be Syrax/Jases dragons and Moondancer.. Not sure they could take down Vhagar.
Meleys bigger weak spot was her rider, Rhaenys was to soft.
Without a doubt meleys vould have won, she destroyed sunfyre, and had the experience and bond with her dragon far more then aemond, if she hadn't of flown close to the ground like an idiot, kept her height advantage and not allowed vhagar to suprise attack her then yes meleys could have won
Rhaenys and Meleys didnt burn Vhagar and Aemond after crashing down maybe because Rhaenys nearly passed out after Meleys had a tight turn fight with Vhagar so Meleys instinctively flew away to protect her
Remember, there is a jump cut after Vhagar crashed so we domt know how much time has passed!
It's somewhat uncharacteristic for Rhaenys to charge back to Vhagar recklessly after surviving their first clash and felled Sunfyre.
I found the dragon fight in this episode so disappointing and Rhaenys felt kind of incompetent. The second she started flying low to the ground I knew exactly what would happen. If they truly need to keep the Vhagar ambushing trope here’s how I personally would have done it. Don’t reveal Vhagar and Aemond are there. Rhaenys has no idea of their presence and neither does the audience. When Rhaenys first arrives you can hear the sound of horns blowing but you have no idea what it means. Instead the main battle is be between Sunfyre and Meleys. It not completely one sided, but they have a few squabbles and it’s clear Aegon is outmatched, but because of his frustration, stubbornness and drunkenness he doesn’t back down. During the final confrontation Meleys is on top of Sunfyre clawing at her belly. Aegon on the verge of defeat looks up at the sky and sees Vhagar approaching from above. He yells to Aemond thinking he’s saved, but also alerts Rhaenys to their presence, giving meleys enough time to let go of Sunfyre and turn around to face Vhagar as she dive bombs them. (Note: Vhagar could also breath fire here maybe so Aegon gets burned and it feels visually looks more like a betrayal from Aemond. But I think the main betrayal should be Aemond’s lack of interfering right away. This way Cole is really the only one who knows what Aemond did. Even the viewer is not fully aware of what happened. Aegon and Sunfyre would still be severely injured from the fall as well as from the fight with Meleys just with maybe less burns). Vhagar and Meleys then fall from the sky much like the show. Meleys claws at Vhagar as they drop and injures her a bit, but overall it’s futile. Vhagar having the momentum and being on top thrusts Meleys and Rhaenys to the ground killing them. You can then end the episode two different ways: End it immediately after Rhaenys and Meleys fall to the ground maybe with a final victorious roar from Vhagar standing on top of them then cut to black. Or like in the show have that final shot of Aegon on the ground and Aemond about to grab his sword to finish him off until Cole arrives (Aemond could also just pick up the crown if you want to keep the betrayal a secret while also foreshadowing him taking over). I think it would be a better idea to leave the reveal of the original plan and Aemond’s betrayal to either the next episode or later on in the series as this would create a sort of cliff hanger and have viewers try and comprehend what just happened before watching the next episode. Maybe Cole could explain what the plan was to Alicent while also revealing to the audience what happened. Instead of being a completely vague douche like he was in the show. Or maybe the reveal of the full plan isn’t until much later on in the series and we don’t know that Aemond betrayed his brother to take the thrown. Cole is the only one aware of this so it could be a great mental dilemma and character development for him as he has loyalty for Aegon (being his hand) and for Aemond (being his friend of some sort). Meanwhile he’s sleeping with Alicent so things are just even more awkward lmao. Honestly really like this idea might make an animatic of it at some point. Sorry if there’s any misspellings and grammar mistakes I thought this all up in like 20 minutes and I really don’t feel like writing an essay about it. Though seeing the length now it looks like I did anyways mb
Meleys looked injured after that grapple with vhagar and even if she was more agile she lost a lot of stamina fighting two dragons. Vhagar just tanked the damage and ran off for her sneak kill
Meleys is agile, swift, has more endurance in battle. She danced with Vhagar, and with the help of Rhaenys knew when to release herself in order to body Vhagar. At that point a swift turn by Rhaenys and a “Dracarys” to Aemond could have rendered Vhagar disoriented and the lethal claws of Meleys could have been put to work. It’s clear that Vhagar has her own advantage, she’s a huntress now, she’s too large to dance, so she ambushes. She’s bigger and once her jaws locks, it’s basically game over. So yes, in a solid 1v1 dance with Meleys constantly keeping an eye on Vhagar in battle, it’s likely Vhagar will lose. Rhaenys made a fatal mistake in taking her eye off of Vhagar. She placed herself in a position to be ambushed. I will add that Meleys will suffer, leg injuries as the strength of Vhagar will prevail in pulling her in a dance, but the swift reactions, turns and twists by Meleys would secure her a victory.
Experience = Vhagar
Rider = Meleys
Flame = Vhagar
Claws = Meleys
Dancing = Meleys
Endurance = Meleys
Jaws = Vhagar
Speed = Meleys
One you aren’t thinking like Meleys or Rhaenys, you are thinking like you in hindsight.
Smartest thing for meleys to have done eas fly straight up and gain altitude over the crash sight of vhagar after vhagar hit the ground. Then she couldve looking back to see what vhagar reaction was. And she couldve pulled a suprise dive attack from above on vhagar
To be honest I wish the fight was more intense. It was a great scene and perhaps one of the best dragon fights on scene till now, but these dragons need few more minutes to show off their skills. Here, the fight was simple, bigger dragons won. I wish to see super speed of Meleys, that she could have dodged few attacks from Vhagar. In this fight Meleys simply chose death when running face to face with Vhagar, it's a suicide mission and an experienced rider as Rhaenys would never do in a battle. Aemond, though a great sword fighter, should have showed lack of experience in his first battle. I think the producer tried to make the fight like this, for less budget rendering?
For the people saying vhgar won by sneakck attack meleys what's wrong with that all predator sneak up on their prey better question why wouldn't vhgar sneak attack meleys meleys is faster more agile and strong enough to kill her why wouldn't vhgar use all her trick to win because if she lose she dies
George was speaking at a convention somewhere promoting the book Fire and Blood and said during its adult life no other Dragon could take down Vhagar alone yet in the actual text it says "perhaps against Vhagar alone" Meleys would have had a chance. And given how people keep saying the text cannot be trusted I guess George answered your question at that convention
Yeah even then those words are no confirmation. A chance is not a guarantee victory. A chance could be like 10%
Caraxes takes down Vhagar. But that's not the point. George at least gave us a good and believable reason for Meleys' death. Vhagar disappearing and reappearing undetectable in this scene would have been impossible for a dragon of that size while on the ground
@@HakaiKaien Caraxes takes down Vhagar?..yeah but Daemon had to sacrifice his own life to do so
I don't understand how Vhagar was able to hide behind the castle and fly up and catch Meleys if she's always shown needing a running start to take flight.
The video explained perfectly how it couldve gone. Meleys could've actually survived wounded. But crippling both sunfyre AND vhagar when she was grounded. But she missed the chance. :( i kept screaming the eagle swoop like she did the first time she was introduced or burning aemond when vhagar was grounded. She couldve ended the war then and there :( damn this makes her death even sadder. She couldve survived too unlike caraxes albeit wounded.
She should just fly back to dragonstone and get reiforcement or fly around Vhagar and keep the distance until it gets tired and then trying to burn Aemond or going for the neck, starting with a frontal attack against a much bigger dragon was suicide.
If i were in Rhaenys's place i should have burned Aemond and Vhagar when they fell down
Ok but if Meleys dived down on Vaghar from above and tore her wing membrane with her claws and pull at the back of her neck with her teeth she could have killed Vaghar by letting her fall. We saw how easily she tore through the chest of sunfyre and Vaghar alike so there’s no reason that wouldn’t work either.
Idc that the show drew this out compared to the book - I love that she pwn’d them both but as Eve Best said, her goal was to incapacitate her nephews, NOT kill them, and they went for the kill…
Compared the size of Melis neckspikes and Vagar teeth. The one place that Vagar don't want to bite is the red Queens neck, heck!
Meleys was my favorite dragon, character, etc. Just such plot armor that the mountain sized Vhagar could ambush smaller, more nimble dragons.
At least in the books, there was a good and plausible reason for Meleys' death. This scene however makes no sense at all
she miscalculated thinking aemond will spare her just as she did in dragonpit. if Rhaenys had killed Aegon when sunfryre was down and waited for vhagar down below or scadooole back to driftmark maybe they could be alive
It would have been more logical if Meley's was the one who ambushed Vhagar then Vhagar body slams Meleys to the ground. Consistent to the dragons' characteristics.
Sunfyre got done dirty
Vhagar - The dragon with a gizzard.
Like everyone is saying, stay on Vhagar when she was down. Dracarys on the chance it will torch Aemond. Then when Vhagar starts trying to fly get some of the gash action on one or both wings.
I thought it was kinda sad how melays died. The moment they flew over the castle i was like " no way they are gonna died like that aswell"
I think the adrenaline fueled Vhagar in the take off; along the hesitation of the Princess lead to the Queen's death
100%
Vhagar loves ambushing the enemies
Sunfire became the SUN"fire"
let's be real and logic; the series is trying to sell us vhagar as the most powerfull dragon on this period of time. the thrut: she's not, she's just big. she es slow, not agile, and bc of the biggnes, can be targeted easily.
could've meleys and caraxes take on 1v1 with vhagar?: YES. could've they won: YES. even the younger dragons like vermax or moondancer could've stand a chance against this big monsters, with a good strategy and keeping the upper position, easily could've they won.