Contradictions collapse is what I imagine Metallica should have become if they had progressed their "And Justice For All" songwriting style instead of putting out the black album and simplifying their sound
@@ethann9433 That's what they would sound like if cliff was still in the band. Hell I even think Metallica would have written all meshuggah songs. And jens Kidman, fredrik thordendal, and Thomas Hawke wouldn't have been known. Metallica would be a heavy band if cliff never died.
Haha yeah I never realized how much Meshuggah fans didn't enjoy it as much as their other work until I seen this videos comments. I personally love Contradictions Collapse with the None ep songs on it more than all of the other albums. First time I heard the album those 4 songs weren't on it which made a difference for me.
Violent sleep of reason over Koloss? Eh. Violent sleep of reason over catch 33? Um. Violent sleep of reason over c sphere? Lol Violent sleep of reason over ozben? Lmfao
For me, it has to be: 1) Destroy Erase Improve 2) Violent Sleep of Reason 3) obZen 4) Chaosphere 5) Koloss 6) Nothing 7) Contradictions Collapse 8) Catch 33 (feels so aimless and bloated... Sorry)
8- Contradictions Collapse 7- Koloss 6- None 5- The Violent Sleep of Reason 4- Nothing 3- Obzen 2- Destroy Erase Improve 1- Chaosphere 5 to 1 are all amazing albums. I swapped None with Catch 33 because None is the release on which Meshuggah introduce the sound that defined them until Nothing. Also because Catch 33 and "I" feature programmed drums instead of Tomas "playing" so I discarded them for that reason because Haake's drumming is a crucial part of that band's sound. Started listening to Meshuggah in 1999.
FWIW, the programmed drums are still recorded by Haake. He only programmed them because he couldn't learn the songs fast enough to finish the record on time. He plays those songs perfectly live nowadays
I was huge Meshuggah fan when Chaosphere came out but got burnt out on the style somewhere in the mid 2000's. I'd still put Chaosphere in my top 10 all time favorite metal albums though. 6/ Contradictions Collapse 5/ Catch 33 4/ Obzen 3/ Destroy Erase Improve 2/ Nothing 1/ Chaosphere
My list would be 1. Obzen 2. Koloss 3. Catch Thirtythree 4. Chaosphere 5. Destroy Erase Improve 6. The Violent Sleep of Reason 7. Nothing 8. Contradictions Collapse
Chaosphere should be at least at number 3. Anyway here is my top: 1. Destroy erase improve 2. Chaosphere 3.Nothing 4. Obzen 5. The violent sleep of reason 6. Catch 33 7. Koloss 8. Contradictions Collapse
1. Koloss 2. Re-Nothing 3. ObZen 4. Destroy Erase Improve 5. Chaosphere 6. Catch 33 7. Violent Sleep Of Reason 8. Contradictions Collapse Shout out to their single I, my favorite Meshuggah song!!! And the e.p. None. Killer shit that'll melt your face!!!! Shit, even Rare Trax is killer!!
8) The Violent Sleep Of Reason - despite having one of their greatest compositions in Clockworks, along with a couple of other decent tracks, the album sounds Soooo by the numbers when it comes to their previous releases, that I find it insultingly bland. 7) Contradiction Collapse - only because I havent listened to the album as much, and am not much of a thrash fan. However I do think that it was definitely a great debut with an interesting approach to the thrash sound, which made the genre sound quite fresh. 6) Obzen - Yeah, it has Bleed, and a number of other great songs, but for some reason its not an album I have a desire to revisit, and Im actually not sure if Ive ever listened to it in one go. 5) Koloss - It has some of their grooviest material which sounds deceptively simple, but has details that just make them something more than what can be seen on face value. 4) Destroy Erase Improve - I have not listened to this album as much as I should, but just based on what I remember it has some of their most creative ideas ever, especially melodically because their mix of thrash and jazz fusion influences really shine through out of all of their releases, and I do wish that they come back to something a bit more like this with future releases. 3) Nothing - I have Nothing much to add to this, except that I definitely prefer the 2006 re-recorded album, but all in all most of the tracks are awesome in how mind bending the grooves are. 2) Chaosphere - Everybody talking about Bleed when it comes to Haakes drumming, But forgetting what a Mindfuck New Millennium Cyanide Christ is... or for that matter the entire album in itself. Probably their harshest and most abrasive sounding record theyve done. Also, as a fan of nu-metal, the second half of Corridor of Chameleons is one of the greatest nu-metal grooves done by a non nu-metal band, period. 1) Catch 33 - One of my all time fave albums, and imo Meshuggahs magnum opus. Its perfect from start to finish, with their bleakest, heaviest and industrially depressing sound theyve ever achieved, as well as their most creative musically since Destroy Erase Improve, imo. An album which you put on and only stop listening when its done.
My list is close to yours but I would swap destroy Erase improve with nothing, and Obzen with Chaosphere. Nothing's a good album but it was a transition record for them. It was the bridge between their old and new sound, and I think the albums that came after nothing were a definite improvement over it. And I don't dislike Chaosphere, I just think it didn't really do anything that different from destroy Erase improve. It's basically just DEI 2.0. I always rank DEI above it because it was more influential in retrospect
@@ethann9433 First of all, thanks for chiming in, and I respect your opinion. The thing is, if anything then I think that Chaosphere was more influential than DEI, because most of whom have since ripped them off havent achieved Anything much more than what was released on Chaosphere (and to some extent, Nothing as well). There are only a couple of bands, imo, that actually took the influence, and made out of it something of their own, like Textures, Car Bomb, Deftones in their 2010 and 2012 albums, Tesseract and Animals as Leaders (who actually could be argued to be equally influenced by DEI as the rest), to name some. Also, Nothing being called a ''transitional'' album is not something I would consider a valid argument, because imo Every album of theirs has transitioned into somewhat new territory - with the exception of The Violent Sleep of Reason, of course. With that said, once more nothing but respect about your opinion, and I guess we certainly agree about one thing - Catch 33 is a masterpiece.
Meshuggah releases, ranked: 1. Destroy Erase Improve 2. Chaosphere 3. I 4. Obzen 5. None 6. The Violent Sleep of Reason 7. Nothing 8. Catch 33 9. Contradictions Collapse 10. Koloss Had to include the "I" and "None" ep's considering how great I think they are! I heard that None has been re-released which includes "Aztec Two-Step", a track that for some bizarre reason was left off the Contradtions Collapse/None c.d.
I agree. Their EPs are actually quite good, especially The True Human Design there they have some hilarious versions of Futile Bread Machine, the electronic madness that is Quant's Quantastical Quantasm, and then Rare trax with Ayahuasca Experience etc. I is a beast, there's a guy that did a cover of the whole song, crazy stuff.
Greetings from Meshuggahs hometown of Umeå. Maybe you can do a review of another Umeå-band, Cult of luna, who released a new album a few months ago. (its really good) Also please consider doing a Rank em all: best swedish bands. Hope you had a great xmas and happy new year!
My list in order 1. Koloss Honorable mention: Sol Niger Within 2. Catch 33 3. Immutable 4.Destroy Erase Improve 5. Chaosphere 6. Nothing (both) 7. Contradictions Collapse 8. Obzen 9. The Violent Vleep of Reason
Nothing will always be THE most Meshuggah album the begining of what's to come in extreme metal: the Tunings, the playing, the production..just everything Nothing is Everything
Agree. I actually don't consider Meshuggah as djent. I think that djent bands are the derivative of Meshuggah, and Meshuggah themselfs are a beast of their own. Also, most djent bands actually have a quite predictive and uninnovative rhythm pattern and rely solely on riffs, whereas Meshuggah has amazing solos too.
8-contradiction collapse. 7-koloss 6-Chaosphere 5-Destroy erase improve 4-Obzen 3-Catch 33(absolute masterpiece!!!) 2-The violent sleep of reason(a shocking considered their age top 10 of the decade!!!) 1-Nothing(a Groundbreaking album!!!essencial!!!)
Contradiction Collapse is not that bad honestly. What kills it for me personally in Jens vocal style. Just sounds too garage band singer. But I get it, Jens was not gonna be the monster sounding frontman right away when he was just starting out. Itd be cool as an instrumental as well
1. Obzen is perfect 2. Catch 33 is perfect too but the drums are programmed 3. Nothing is has the best grooves but also a couple so-so chugalug songs near the end (nebulous, obsidian and spasm ) 4. Chaosphere is the most abrasive, cold, off-timed, off-putting album for metal normies, and i love it. ive listened to it the most. all the songs are great and its a fast heavy listen. but objectively the above 3 are superior 5. Koloss is great too. has one of the most soulful beautiful outro tracks. it has a very crisp sound and production, maybe too much so. It also has the best cover artwork of all their albums 🔥 6. Destroy Erase Improve has terrible cover artwork, but is the first “djent” album ever and starts off with one of their best songs ever with the best breakdown ever( future breed machine). this is their last album that had songs with melody and a hint of thrash. Sublevels is a stellar fuckin song and sadly will be the very last song with melody and clean singing from this band. Frederik Thordendals Special Defects picks up where this style of Meshuggah left off🔥 7. the Violent Sleep of Reason has the second best cover artwork. it has lots of sludgy dark chuggy songs. ever songs lyrics are great of course, but some of the songs are too chuggy. still a banger though 8. Contradictions Collapse sounds like Metallica with a hint of Alice in Chains-type grunge, lots of time changes with a jazzy very talented drummer. theres even a six string proto- djenty riff or two in a couple different songs. this is what Metallica should’ve sounded like after and justice for all. they wouldve had to kick out Lars though lol all these albums get played at least once a month for me👍👍 Honorable mentions: the “I” ep 🔥 a 20 minute long song and Frederik Thordendals Special Defects- Sol Niger Within 👍👍🔥🔥🔥🔥- your not a fan of “djent” until you listen to its creator’s solo project album. its like a Destroy Erase Improve part two, mixed with Pink floyd/Tool. the darkness within!
@@hectorvegasduque2234 I know. Hence the Big Lebowski reference. A lot of people love obzen and for good reason. I love it too. The things they have done on Koloss and TVSOR from a musicians standpoint are far more inventive than on any of their other records. It's just that the things and tweaks they have been coming up with are far less obvious than bleed or Dancers.
My ranking of Meshuggah albums from BEST to WORST: 1. ObZen (10/10) 2. Violent Sleep of Reason (9.5/10) 3. Nothing (9/10) 4. Destroy Erase Improve (8.5/10) 5. Chaosphere (8/10) 6. Catch Thirtythree (8/10) 7. Koloss (7.5/10) 8. Contradictions Collapse (7/10) Hey CKN, you think you can do a Rank ‘Em All on Sabaton, next? Or maybe Soilwork?
1. obZen - Killer songs such as Combustion, Electric Red, Bleed & Dancers. Production is great and this album feels uniquely cold and grey just like the artwork. 2. Catch 33 - Mindbending ride showing Meshuggah at it's creative peak. 3. Chaosphere - Wildest Meshuggah album to listen. This is probably their tightest paggage and the sound is just impressive and harsh. 4. Koloss - This feels amusingly like a "commercial" Meshuggah album. I just love most of the songs here, like The Hurt..., Break Those Bones & Swarm. Not as exciting album as a whole compared to the top 3. 5. Destroy Erase Improve - Great songs and lots of creativity. However couple tracks feel a bit weak and the album just as a whole doesn't have the same groove as the later ones. 6. Violent Sleep of Reason - best sounding Meshuggah album but unfortunately apart from Clockworks, the songwriting is just boring. This album does everything right on paper but lacks all the big moments that stick to your memory and make you want to listen to it again. 7. Nothing - Some cool songs, but lots of stuff that I don't like that much. Overall the sludginess of this album is a bit too much to diggest at one go. Original album sounds too harsh and thin, the re-issue sounds too polished and lifeless. 8. Contradictions Collapse - I like Erroneus Manipulation and Cadaverous Mastication but overall I'm not into this jazzy prog thrash.
Everyone always forgets fear factory meshuggah perfected djent. All journalists reviewers forget earliest as soul of a new machine arise above oppression and especially demanufacture new breed ect. I guess innovators always slip through the cracks. Fear factory forever.
Soul of a new machine and contradictions collapse came out in the same year, as well as destroy Erase improve and Demanufacture. They were both really important in the formation of djent, they're equal in my eyes. One isn't objectively better than the other
Demanufacture was industrial metal and unique but i wouldnt say djenty at all. Meshuggah’s Destroy Erase Improve was solely the first djent album ever. Fear Factory was a great band and put on 🔥shows though 🤘🏻
8 - Contradictions Collapse 7 - Catch Thirtythree 6 - Koloss 5 - Destroy Erase Improve 4 - ObZen 3 - Violent Sleep of Reason 2 - Nothing 1 - Chaosphere My opinion, doubt anyone will agree with number 1 but the pure CHAOS is just unbelievable and I purely believe it’s their most complex album other than Nothing and Catch 33 but more musically than lyrically. I mean Concatenation is just categorical chaos and has the weirdest solo that for some reason just works. An album that's close to my heart
8. Koloss- Not because it's bad, but the others just stand higher . 7. Contradictions Collapse- Amazing album, the one that started it all. The progy fusion solos are a must-listen, and some of the best Frederic has ever written. 6. The Violent Sleep of Reason- I WORSHIP the tone and production of this album. I hope they never stop using real amps again. 5. Chaosphere- Although they started the "djent" style with Destroy Erase Improve, this one has even more emphasis on the riffs, and those are some killer riffs, some of them my all time favorites . 4. obZen- Probably the most savage album they ever made. The tone, the songs, the themes, absolute monstrosity. Contains the best song they ever made- Dancers of a discordant system 3. Destroy Erase Improve- The one that made them what they are, if Contradictions Collapse was the conception, Destroy was the birth . 2. Catch Thirtythree - Actually the last one I really got into, but when I finally did... Holly shit, I'll never view music in the same way. This album is a variation on theme (or a few), just like the did in classical, but has a more rhythmical focus. The songs are just insane, riffs are more than brutal, and the innovation in songwriting is seconded only by Destroy Erase Improve. 1. Nothing- This is like Master of puppets for Metallica, or The Number of the Beast for Maiden, not the first, or not the root of everything, but the CLASSIC one, the one that got it all and a loud . Disclaimer! The first four are honestly interchangeable depending on my mood. I actually like their whole discography. EDIT: This is actually my ranking based on the enjoyment I get from listening, I really can't rank by any other parameter, it just wouldn't be fair.
1. Catch thirty three 2. Obzen 3. I 4. Destroy Erase Improve 5. The violent sleep of reason 6. Nothing 7. Koloss 8. Chaosphere 9. Contradictions collapse overall I prefer the evolution they took with the EP "I" and almost everything after it above almost everything before, with some exceptions song-wise. The drumming and the bass drive, the vocals, the guitar-tones, the rhythmic creativity and the soloing got better with every album, leading to the exceptional and most outstanding track from their latest album, "Clockworks".
Metal was week in the 90’s? Im only 28 but ive never heard that and dont understand that at all. To me the 90’s is some of the most revolutionary metal there is. I think some of those would go on to perfect themselves past the 90’s but it came from the 90’s.
I met Meshuggah at Ozzfest they are down to earth very humble guys that appreciate their fans
I never met them live but in the interviews you can tell they are very humble and not take themself too seriously, are very funny too.
If you know Darkane, these guys are super friendly lol
Contradictions Collapse is one of the most underrated in metal.
It's an incredible thrash album.
Contradictions collapse is what I imagine Metallica should have become if they had progressed their "And Justice For All" songwriting style instead of putting out the black album and simplifying their sound
@@ethann9433 That's what they would sound like if cliff was still in the band. Hell I even think Metallica would have written all meshuggah songs. And jens Kidman, fredrik thordendal, and Thomas Hawke wouldn't have been known. Metallica would be a heavy band if cliff never died.
@@ethann9433 Well meshuggah's demo already sounds like and justice for all but a bit advanced.
Cool thing about Meshuggah, everyone's ranking is different, but CC is usually always at the bottom lol.
Haha yeah I never realized how much Meshuggah fans didn't enjoy it as much as their other work until I seen this videos comments. I personally love Contradictions Collapse with the None ep songs on it more than all of the other albums. First time I heard the album those 4 songs weren't on it which made a difference for me.
@@JesusDelgado_1 Damn! Yeah, the None EP is fantastic, but CC on its own doesn't stand out too much for me apart from lyrics and a handful of riffs.
@@PCamron90 its probably my fav or 2nd fav album from them
It's my number 2. It's raw and thrashy vocals in first album are the best and is a true thrash album.
Not for me. Nothing is at the bottom.
My ranking of Meshuggah records from BEST to WORST:
1. Chaosphere (10/10)
2. Nothing (10/10)
3. ObZen (9/10)
4. Destroy Erase Improve (9/10)
5. Violent Sleep of Reason (8/10)
6. Koloss (8/10)
7. Catch Thirty-Three (8/10)
8. Contradictions Collapse (7/10)
Violent sleep of reason over Koloss? Eh. Violent sleep of reason over catch 33? Um.
Violent sleep of reason over c sphere? Lol
Violent sleep of reason over ozben? Lmfao
Koloss is underrated in my opinion. Violent Sleep is one of their worst.
1. Contradictions Collapse
2. Destroy Erase Improve
3. Koloss
4. Nothing
5. Obzen
6. Chaosphere
7. Catch Thirty Three
I haven't heard The Violent Sleep of Reason yet unfortunately.
Rank Em All - Pantera
1. Nothing
2. Koloss
3. Chaosphere
4. Destroy Erase Improve
5. Obzen
6. Catch Thirty-Three
7. Violent Sleep of Reason
8. Contradictions Collapse
If I would’ve clicked this notification any faster, this would’ve been a live stream.
Nothing was a groundbreaking record IMHO
Also, my top
8. Contradictions Collapse
7. Koloss
6. The Violent Sleep of Reason
5. ObZen
4. Chaosphere
3. Nothing
2. Catch Thirty Three
1. Destroy Erase Improve
Legendary Mumble Rapper Ozzy Osborne sure was
1. Destroy Erase Improve
2. ObZen
3. The Violent Sleep of Reason
4. Nothing
5.: Catch 33
6. Chaosphere
7. Koloss
8. Contradictions Collapse
Top 3 for sure!
For me, it has to be:
1) Destroy Erase Improve
2) Violent Sleep of Reason
3) obZen
4) Chaosphere
5) Koloss
6) Nothing
7) Contradictions Collapse
8) Catch 33 (feels so aimless and bloated... Sorry)
8- Contradictions Collapse
7- Koloss
6- None
5- The Violent Sleep of Reason
4- Nothing
3- Obzen
2- Destroy Erase Improve
1- Chaosphere
5 to 1 are all amazing albums.
I swapped None with Catch 33 because None is the release on which Meshuggah introduce the sound that defined them until Nothing. Also because Catch 33 and "I" feature programmed drums instead of Tomas "playing" so I discarded them for that reason because Haake's drumming is a crucial part of that band's sound. Started listening to Meshuggah in 1999.
FWIW, the programmed drums are still recorded by Haake. He only programmed them because he couldn't learn the songs fast enough to finish the record on time. He plays those songs perfectly live nowadays
Godfucking damn i love meshuggah. Good to see them on the channel.
Koloss is one of their best records imo 🤘🤘. Great band all around!
I was huge Meshuggah fan when Chaosphere came out but got burnt out on the style somewhere in the mid 2000's. I'd still put Chaosphere in my top 10 all time favorite metal albums though.
6/ Contradictions Collapse
5/ Catch 33
4/ Obzen
3/ Destroy Erase Improve
2/ Nothing
1/ Chaosphere
My list would be
1. Obzen
2. Koloss
3. Catch Thirtythree
4. Chaosphere
5. Destroy Erase Improve
6. The Violent Sleep of Reason
7. Nothing
8. Contradictions Collapse
1. ObZen
2. Nothing
3. Catch 33
4. Chaosphere
5. Destroy Erase Improve
6. Violent Sleep of Reason
7. Koloss
8. Contradictions Collapse
Chris M I see that nodak flag you got there
I can't believe how low people have Contradictions. It's an incredible album, way ahead of its time. Easily top 3 for me.
1. Catch 33 >>>>>
2. The "I" EP
3. Obzen
4. Nothing
5. Everything else
Catch 33 top, damn. I would put it in second closely behind Chaosphere. It hits hard tho
Agreed
Chaosphere should be at least at number 3. Anyway here is my top:
1. Destroy erase improve
2. Chaosphere
3.Nothing
4. Obzen
5. The violent sleep of reason
6. Catch 33
7. Koloss
8. Contradictions Collapse
1. Koloss
2. Re-Nothing
3. ObZen
4. Destroy Erase Improve
5. Chaosphere
6. Catch 33
7. Violent Sleep Of Reason
8. Contradictions Collapse
Shout out to their single I, my favorite Meshuggah song!!! And the e.p. None. Killer shit that'll melt your face!!!! Shit, even Rare Trax is killer!!
Rank Rm All :Alice in Chains
1. Catch Thirtythree
2. Destroy Erase Improve
3. Koloss
4. obZen
5. Chaosphere
6. Nothing
7. The Violent Sleep of Reason
8. Contradictions Collapse
8) The Violent Sleep Of Reason - despite having one of their greatest compositions in Clockworks, along with a couple of other decent tracks, the album sounds Soooo by the numbers when it comes to their previous releases, that I find it insultingly bland.
7) Contradiction Collapse - only because I havent listened to the album as much, and am not much of a thrash fan. However I do think that it was definitely a great debut with an interesting approach to the thrash sound, which made the genre sound quite fresh.
6) Obzen - Yeah, it has Bleed, and a number of other great songs, but for some reason its not an album I have a desire to revisit, and Im actually not sure if Ive ever listened to it in one go.
5) Koloss - It has some of their grooviest material which sounds deceptively simple, but has details that just make them something more than what can be seen on face value.
4) Destroy Erase Improve - I have not listened to this album as much as I should, but just based on what I remember it has some of their most creative ideas ever, especially melodically because their mix of thrash and jazz fusion influences really shine through out of all of their releases, and I do wish that they come back to something a bit more like this with future releases.
3) Nothing - I have Nothing much to add to this, except that I definitely prefer the 2006 re-recorded album, but all in all most of the tracks are awesome in how mind bending the grooves are.
2) Chaosphere - Everybody talking about Bleed when it comes to Haakes drumming, But forgetting what a Mindfuck New Millennium Cyanide Christ is... or for that matter the entire album in itself. Probably their harshest and most abrasive sounding record theyve done. Also, as a fan of nu-metal, the second half of Corridor of Chameleons is one of the greatest nu-metal grooves done by a non nu-metal band, period.
1) Catch 33 - One of my all time fave albums, and imo Meshuggahs magnum opus. Its perfect from start to finish, with their bleakest, heaviest and industrially depressing sound theyve ever achieved, as well as their most creative musically since Destroy Erase Improve, imo. An album which you put on and only stop listening when its done.
* thrash
@@THEshaggyrogers
Huh?
@@THEshaggyrogers oh, got it.
My list is close to yours but I would swap destroy Erase improve with nothing, and Obzen with Chaosphere. Nothing's a good album but it was a transition record for them. It was the bridge between their old and new sound, and I think the albums that came after nothing were a definite improvement over it. And I don't dislike Chaosphere, I just think it didn't really do anything that different from destroy Erase improve. It's basically just DEI 2.0. I always rank DEI above it because it was more influential in retrospect
@@ethann9433 First of all, thanks for chiming in, and I respect your opinion.
The thing is, if anything then I think that Chaosphere was more influential than DEI, because most of whom have since ripped them off havent achieved Anything much more than what was released on Chaosphere (and to some extent, Nothing as well). There are only a couple of bands, imo, that actually took the influence, and made out of it something of their own, like Textures, Car Bomb, Deftones in their 2010 and 2012 albums, Tesseract and Animals as Leaders (who actually could be argued to be equally influenced by DEI as the rest), to name some.
Also, Nothing being called a ''transitional'' album is not something I would consider a valid argument, because imo Every album of theirs has transitioned into somewhat new territory - with the exception of The Violent Sleep of Reason, of course.
With that said, once more nothing but respect about your opinion, and I guess we certainly agree about one thing - Catch 33 is a masterpiece.
1. Chaosphere
1. obZen
2. Destroy Erase Improve
3. Chaosphere
4. Nothing
5. Koloss
6. Catch Thirtythree
7. The Violent Sleep of Reason
8. Contradictions Collapse
Was lucky enough to see Meshugga open for Tool back in the day, amazing show. Obzen is number one for me. But hey, different strokes.
Meshuggah releases, ranked:
1. Destroy Erase Improve
2. Chaosphere
3. I
4. Obzen
5. None
6. The Violent Sleep of Reason
7. Nothing
8. Catch 33
9. Contradictions Collapse
10. Koloss
Had to include the "I" and "None" ep's considering how great I think they are! I heard that None has been re-released which includes "Aztec Two-Step", a track that for some bizarre reason was left off the Contradtions Collapse/None c.d.
I agree. Their EPs are actually quite good, especially The True Human Design there they have some hilarious versions of Futile Bread Machine, the electronic madness that is Quant's Quantastical Quantasm, and then Rare trax with Ayahuasca Experience etc. I is a beast, there's a guy that did a cover of the whole song, crazy stuff.
I like their first record the best.
mine goes
1: Nothing
2: Chaosphere
3: Catch 33
4: Destroy Erase Improve
5: Obzen
6: Violent Sleep of Reason
7:Contradictions Collapse
8: Koloss
8 - Contradictions Collapse
7 - The Violent Sleep Of Reason
6 - Destroy Erase Improve
5 - Chaosphere
4 - Koloss
3 - Nothing
2 - Catch 33
1 - obZen
Greetings from Meshuggahs hometown of Umeå. Maybe you can do a review of another Umeå-band, Cult of luna, who released a new album a few months ago. (its really good)
Also please consider doing a Rank em all: best swedish bands. Hope you had a great xmas and happy new year!
My list in order
1. Koloss
Honorable mention: Sol Niger Within
2. Catch 33
3. Immutable
4.Destroy Erase Improve
5. Chaosphere
6. Nothing (both)
7. Contradictions Collapse
8. Obzen
9. The Violent Vleep of Reason
For me Catch Thirtythree is #1. The screams at the end of Sum stir something in my soul..
Yannick Dehuminization is out of this world “One syllable, one vowel... AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaahhhhhh”
100% agree. Second one Obzen is for me.
Rank em all Paradise lost!!
Please do a Rush Rank Em All. :)
I love how varied the ranking in the comments are. Hell yeah
Nothing will always be THE most Meshuggah album
the begining of what's to come in extreme metal: the Tunings, the playing, the production..just everything
Nothing is Everything
Ranked - Nile
Please!
#1 In Their Darkened Shrines.
1. Koloss
2. Obzen
3. Violent sleep of reason
4. Chaosphere
5. Destroy erase improve
Destroy erase improve is my personal favorite
It was their flagship album until the release of Obzen
5- Catch 33
4- Chaosphere
3- Destroy Erase Improve
2- Obzen
1- Nothing
1. Chaosphere 2. Koloss 3. Obzen 4. Catch 33 5. Distory Erase Improve 6. Nothing 7. The Violent Sleep of Reason 8. Contradictions Collapse
1. I (ep)
2. Obzen
3. Nothing
4. Chaosphere
5. Destroy Erase Improve
6. Catch Thirty-Three
7. Contradictions Collapse
8. Koloss
9. Violent Sleep of Reason
Can you do a ranking of dark tranquillity or morbid angel?
8. Contradictions Collapse
7. Catch 33
6. Nothing
5. Destroy Erase Improve
4. Violent Sleep Of Reason
3. Koloss
2. Chaosphere
1. Obzen
1. Chaosphere
2. Violent sleep of reason
3. Obzen
4. Destroy Erase Improve
5. Catch 33
6. Nothing
7. Koloss
8. Contradictions collapse
I liked when Meshuggah was not associated with Djent....
Agree. I actually don't consider Meshuggah as djent. I think that djent bands are the derivative of Meshuggah, and Meshuggah themselfs are a beast of their own. Also, most djent bands actually have a quite predictive and uninnovative rhythm pattern and rely solely on riffs, whereas Meshuggah has amazing solos too.
Gotta love the Shugg
1. Obzen
2. Koloss
3. Nothing
4. Catch thirty three
5. Chaosphere
6. Destroy erase improve
7. The violent sleep of reason
8. Immutable
9. Contradictions collapse
8-contradiction collapse.
7-koloss
6-Chaosphere
5-Destroy erase improve
4-Obzen
3-Catch 33(absolute masterpiece!!!)
2-The violent sleep of reason(a shocking considered their age top 10 of the decade!!!)
1-Nothing(a Groundbreaking album!!!essencial!!!)
Contradiction Collapse is not that bad honestly. What kills it for me personally in Jens vocal style. Just sounds too garage band singer. But I get it, Jens was not gonna be the monster sounding frontman right away when he was just starting out. Itd be cool as an instrumental as well
1. Obzen
2. Nothing
3. Koloss
4. Destroy Erase Improve
5. Chaosphere
1. Obzen is perfect
2. Catch 33 is perfect too but the drums are programmed
3. Nothing is has the best grooves but also a couple so-so chugalug songs near the end (nebulous, obsidian and spasm )
4. Chaosphere is the most abrasive, cold, off-timed, off-putting album for metal normies, and i love it. ive listened to it the most. all the songs are great and its a fast heavy listen. but objectively the above 3 are superior
5. Koloss is great too. has one of the most soulful beautiful outro tracks. it has a very crisp sound and production, maybe too much so. It also has the best cover artwork of all their albums 🔥
6. Destroy Erase Improve has terrible cover artwork, but is the first “djent” album ever and starts off with one of their best songs ever with the best breakdown ever( future breed machine). this is their last album that had songs with melody and a hint of thrash. Sublevels is a stellar fuckin song and sadly will be the very last song with melody and clean singing from this band. Frederik Thordendals Special Defects picks up where this style of Meshuggah left off🔥
7. the Violent Sleep of Reason has the second best cover artwork. it has lots of sludgy dark chuggy songs. ever songs lyrics are great of course, but some of the songs are too chuggy. still a banger though
8. Contradictions Collapse sounds like Metallica with a hint of Alice in Chains-type grunge, lots of time changes with a jazzy very talented drummer. theres even a six string proto- djenty riff or two in a couple different songs. this is what Metallica should’ve sounded like after and justice for all. they wouldve had to kick out Lars though lol
all these albums get played at least once a month for me👍👍
Honorable mentions: the “I” ep 🔥 a 20
minute long song
and Frederik Thordendals Special Defects- Sol Niger Within 👍👍🔥🔥🔥🔥- your not a fan of “djent” until you listen to its creator’s solo project album. its like a Destroy Erase Improve part two, mixed with Pink floyd/Tool. the darkness within!
For me, Meshuggah improves with each record. So I rank them chronologically.
☝️☝️
That was until obzen imo
@@hectorvegasduque2234 that's just like your opinion man
@@drumkidstu that's way I said imo 🤣
@@hectorvegasduque2234 I know. Hence the Big Lebowski reference. A lot of people love obzen and for good reason. I love it too. The things they have done on Koloss and TVSOR from a musicians standpoint are far more inventive than on any of their other records. It's just that the things and tweaks they have been coming up with are far less obvious than bleed or Dancers.
My Rankings:
1. ObZen
2. Chaosphere
3. Nothing
4. Immutable
5. Catch 33
6. DEI
7. Koloss
8. Violent Sleep
9. Contradictions
1. koloss
2. obzen
3. nothing
4. catch 33
5. destroy erase improve
6. chaosphere
7. violent sleep of reason
8. contradictions collide
1. ObZen
2. Destroy Erase Improve - Chaosphere
3. Nothing
4. Violent Sleep of Reason
5. Koloss
6. Other
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My Top:
1. Destroy Erase Improove
2. Chaosphere
3. Kollos
4. ObzEn
5. The Violent Sleep Of Reason
6. Nothing
7. Contradictions Collapse
8. Catch 33
Do an album ranking on Cannibal Corpse, CKN. I would love to see that!
#1 Bloodthirst
#2 Kill
#3 Gore Obsessed
#4 Tomb of the Mutilated
#5 The Wretched Spawn
Too tired to think about the rest right now. Haha.
My ranking of Meshuggah albums from BEST to WORST:
1. ObZen (10/10)
2. Violent Sleep of Reason (9.5/10)
3. Nothing (9/10)
4. Destroy Erase Improve (8.5/10)
5. Chaosphere (8/10)
6. Catch Thirtythree (8/10)
7. Koloss (7.5/10)
8. Contradictions Collapse (7/10)
Hey CKN, you think you can do a Rank ‘Em All on Sabaton, next? Or maybe Soilwork?
Im sorry but Koloss at second to last is just a crime
1. Chaosphere
2. Obzen
3. DEI
4. VSOR
5. Koloss
6. Contradictions Collapse
7. Nothing
8. Catch 33
Koloss is the shit. Top 3
1. Catch 33
2. ObZen
3. Koloss
4. Nothing
5. Chaosphere
6. The Violent Sleep of Reason
8. Contradictions Collapse
7. The Violent Sleep of Reason
6. Catch Thirty-Three
5. Destroy Erase Improve
4. Chaosphere
3. Nothing
2. Koloss
1. obZen
But that's just me
1. obZen - Killer songs such as Combustion, Electric Red, Bleed & Dancers. Production is great and this album feels uniquely cold and grey just like the artwork.
2. Catch 33 - Mindbending ride showing Meshuggah at it's creative peak.
3. Chaosphere - Wildest Meshuggah album to listen. This is probably their tightest paggage and the sound is just impressive and harsh.
4. Koloss - This feels amusingly like a "commercial" Meshuggah album. I just love most of the songs here, like The Hurt..., Break Those Bones & Swarm. Not as exciting album as a whole compared to the top 3.
5. Destroy Erase Improve - Great songs and lots of creativity. However couple tracks feel a bit weak and the album just as a whole doesn't have the same groove as the later ones.
6. Violent Sleep of Reason - best sounding Meshuggah album but unfortunately apart from Clockworks, the songwriting is just boring. This album does everything right on paper but lacks all the big moments that stick to your memory and make you want to listen to it again.
7. Nothing - Some cool songs, but lots of stuff that I don't like that much. Overall the sludginess of this album is a bit too much to diggest at one go. Original album sounds too harsh and thin, the re-issue sounds too polished and lifeless.
8. Contradictions Collapse - I like Erroneus Manipulation and Cadaverous Mastication but overall I'm not into this jazzy prog thrash.
I agree with catch 33 in second. That album blew my mind
Chaosphere is my personal favorite
Same
Everyone always forgets fear factory meshuggah perfected djent. All journalists reviewers forget earliest as soul of a new machine arise above oppression and especially demanufacture new breed ect. I guess innovators always slip through the cracks. Fear factory forever.
Soul of a new machine and contradictions collapse came out in the same year, as well as destroy Erase improve and Demanufacture. They were both really important in the formation of djent, they're equal in my eyes. One isn't objectively better than the other
@@ethann9433 True that bro
Demanufacture was industrial metal and unique but i wouldnt say djenty at all. Meshuggah’s Destroy Erase Improve was solely the first djent album ever.
Fear Factory was a great band and put on 🔥shows though 🤘🏻
I can't believe everyone in the comments are putting koloss so low, that album is a masterpiece imo.
It's so underrated. Most think of it as their worst. I prefer Koloss over obZen
8. contradictions collapse
7. the violent sleep of reason
6. koloss
5. catch 33
4. obzen
3. chaosphere
2. destroy.erase.improve
1. nothing
8. Catch thirty three
7. Contradictions collapse
6. Obzen
5. Nothing
4. Koloss
3. The violent sleep of reason
2. Chaosphere
1. Destroy Erase Improve
Nothing is my favorite by far
Surely something must be your favourite?
flawless December 🙌🎄🎆
1 nothing
2 chaosphere
3 destroy erase improve
4 obzen
5 catch33
6 violent sleep of reason
7 koloss
8 contradictions collapse
Rank em all Judas Priest and Bolt Thrower would be good CKN!
8 - Contradictions Collapse
7 - Catch Thirtythree
6 - Koloss
5 - Destroy Erase Improve
4 - ObZen
3 - Violent Sleep of Reason
2 - Nothing
1 - Chaosphere
My opinion, doubt anyone will agree with number 1 but the pure CHAOS is just unbelievable and I purely believe it’s their most complex album other than Nothing and Catch 33 but more musically than lyrically. I mean Concatenation is just categorical chaos and has the weirdest solo that for some reason just works. An album that's close to my heart
8. Koloss- Not because it's bad, but the others just stand higher
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7. Contradictions Collapse- Amazing album, the one that started it all. The progy fusion solos are a must-listen, and some of the best Frederic has ever written.
6. The Violent Sleep of Reason- I WORSHIP the tone and production of this album. I hope they never stop using real amps again.
5. Chaosphere- Although they started the "djent" style with Destroy Erase Improve, this one has even more emphasis on the riffs, and those are some killer riffs, some of them my all time favorites
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4. obZen- Probably the most savage album they ever made. The tone, the songs, the themes, absolute monstrosity. Contains the best song they ever made- Dancers of a discordant system
3. Destroy Erase Improve- The one that made them what they are, if Contradictions Collapse was the conception, Destroy was the birth
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2. Catch Thirtythree
- Actually the last one I really got into, but when I finally did... Holly shit, I'll never view music in the same way. This album is a variation on theme (or a few), just like the did in classical, but has a more rhythmical focus. The songs are just insane, riffs are more than brutal, and the innovation in songwriting is seconded only by Destroy Erase Improve.
1. Nothing- This is like Master of puppets for Metallica, or The Number of the Beast for Maiden, not the first, or not the root of everything, but the CLASSIC one, the one that got it all and a loud
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Disclaimer! The first four are honestly interchangeable depending on my mood. I actually like their whole discography.
EDIT: This is actually my ranking based on the enjoyment I get from listening, I really can't rank by any other parameter, it just wouldn't be fair.
Yo, None is also really awesome too, I like that a little more than DEI but I think None, Chaosphere, and DEI are the best
Katatonia ranked would be interesting.
1. Catch Thirty-three 10/10
2. ObZen 9.7/10
3. Nothing 9/10
4. Chaosphere 8/10
5. Destroy, Erase, Improve 7/10
6. The Violent sleep of Reason 6/10
7. Koloss 6/10
8. Contradictions Collapse 6/10
I can handle Koloss being number 7, that's fine... but obZen only at number 5?? Nahhhh.
My top 3 is
1.chaosphere
2.catch 33
3.violent sleep of reason
1. Catch thirty three
2. Obzen
3. I
4. Destroy Erase Improve
5. The violent sleep of reason
6. Nothing
7. Koloss
8. Chaosphere
9. Contradictions collapse
overall I prefer the evolution they took with the EP "I" and almost everything after it above almost everything before, with some exceptions song-wise. The drumming and the bass drive, the vocals, the guitar-tones, the rhythmic creativity and the soloing got better with every album, leading to the exceptional and most outstanding track from their latest album, "Clockworks".
Took a couple listens for Violent Sleep of Reason. Now I love that album
I almost thought you were Scotty Kilmer
My top three albums:
Koloss
Nothing
Destroy, Erase, Improve
Forth would be:
ObZen
I personally have koloss at the top, I fckn love all the the songs on that album
Now do a video rating the albums of Darkane.
8. Contradictions collapse
7. Chaosphere
6. Koloss
5. Destroy erase improve
4. The violent sleep of reason
3. Obzen
2. Catch 33
1. Nothing
Metal was week in the 90’s? Im only 28 but ive never heard that and dont understand that at all. To me the 90’s is some of the most revolutionary metal there is. I think some of those would go on to perfect themselves past the 90’s but it came from the 90’s.
I Love Catch 33
Only one on this list that I agree with his contradictions collapse
Im failing to understand why The Violent Sleep Of Reason is ranked so low. That album is sick as fuck.
Meshuggah, Tool, and Blut Aus Nord: Holy Trilogy.
1. ObZen
2. Nothing
3. The Violent Sleep of Reason
4. Koloss
5. Catch Thirty-Three
6. Chaosphere
7. Destroy Erase Improve
8. Contradictions Collapse
You need to do Anthrax!
Koloss is one of my FAVORITES, every track.
i pretty much rank them from the earlier the better