Much of my life is spent in desktop Lightroom Classic editing RAW images. There is WAY more information in a RAW image to play with than a .jpg, so much so that your options often seem limitless. I haven't worked with a RAW image out of my new Samsung S24 Ultra, but am certain that it will be the same. I'm not really interested in what the initial RAW image looks like right out of the camera ... only in what I can make it look like by editing it in Lightroom Classic. Thanks for the good video.
In my experience, PRO mode looks much more natural than the overprocessed photos from AUTO or ExperRAW modes. PRO mode does not oversaturate and it especially does not do all that crazy oversharpening which Samsungs are notorious for. (I know you can set up less sharpening in Camera Assist but the difference is very small, IMO). In other words, photos from PRO mode are not eye=catchy but they are natural. And that is what I like about them. But PRO mode has one big disadvantage. And it is very very limited dynamic range. It probably does not do any HDR so highlights are often overblown and shadows are too dark. So it cannot be used for high contrast scenes.
Nice review ... I would love to see you add Pro mode to your next comparison. I'll definitely keep and use my phone in Auto mode ... I would rather it take it right (most of the time) the first time than try and save it later in editing.
I would really appreciate a comparison between pro mode and expert raw, for low light, I mean real low loghr light night sky, I think pro mode is still better, more room for editing and less processing
I agree with Daniel. It all depends on what you are doing, which will dictate whether you use RAW or Auto. Although I will say, that considering that RAW is basically compared to a digital negative, in my opinion it's good to be shooting both RAW and JPEG. Because while yes it uses more space, how do you know whether or not you want to edit said photo down the track? Good to have options.
With important shots, I almost only use ExpertRaw on my Base S23 now. I have no knowledge of photo editing, but simply applying a pre-downloaded profile in Lightroom or adjusting a few sliders produces results that surpass what the main camera can achieve. It takes an extra minute or two, but it's worth it to me. I dislike the auto mode processing and you can't edit those pictures in the same way.
I can't understand why you didn't show what you did in Lightroom at every single picture you've choosed. If you just turned down the exposure you haven't merely touched LR's possibilities...
True, the lightroom test is irrelevant if ya dont show your lightroom process of what youre tapping into. I know its highlights, whites, exposure, and clarity
Well this pretty much mirrors my findings, Samsung have some work do to. For the price of this phone I did expect better camera performance and it seems to be software / processing is the problem with it, especially the 'raw' which isn't really raw! Looks like my trusty SONY A65 DSLR will still be coming on holidays with me. And looks like you are on the southern gold coast, hard to take a bad photo there on a sunny day.....yet the phone managed to!
On S23 Ultra Expert RAW is much better when working on it in LR mobile, but the JPGs are basically very good from scratch. Depends if you want to edit or not. As with any camera RAW has to be edited, no surprise so your examples are useless if you take RAW out of cam.
Only from 3rd party apps, you don't get uncrossed raw anymore from Samsung stock app since early 2023.
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Thx for the video. One thing I don't understand. You can also modify the highlights, shadows of a photo taken with the auto mode. Why use expert RAW then? thx!
@@techwithbenefits Are you sure? Check it, with ProMode this is definitely not the case. Also a Mult HDR DNG taken with Lightroom has much more to offer than an ExpertRAW DNG.
from my heavy experience with hundreds of photos with expert raw vs auto is : 1. expert raw misses the shot ,, terrible shutter lag for moving subjects vs instant freeze on auto mode ,, try it on a walking subject auto vs expert raw , on auto its freezes it with fast shutter while on expert the subject has gone ! so its mainly for static non moving subjects. 2. second thing at lowlight or mid to low light heavy noise reduction applies that when zooming into your photo its looks like oil painting.
i hope Samsung can push the limit of scene optimizer from only color/light editing to also changes shutter times .. same as honor doing on Motion sensing capture mode when the phone detect the subject moving it increase shutter speed to freeze it ,, Samsung can apply that to scene optimizer rather than lifting the shadows and adding colours.. ,, hear me Samsung play with shutter speed & iso too ... I don't have time to go to pro to play with parameters and by the time i do that the moment is gone.
I don't use any photo apps for images because they have a very digital effect and produce overly sharp images. Instead, I capture a prof video as needed and then use the capture button located at the bottom left to save a jpg from it. Trust me, I have achieved better results for images this way than with the photo modes. Does anyone else use the camera this way?
If you are not a photographer nor photo editing inclined person... Why would anyone even try using Expert Raw. I know you need to make content... But to me the comparison makes no sense unless you know what you are doing/like editing. If you want to make this type of video make a colab with a photographer and it'll be much richer. (my 2 cents)
I did have a collaboration planned for this, however, due to timings and scheduling it just didn't work out, so went for it myself. The idea is more about the processing of expert raw vs the processing of auto mode though
Taking shot with expert raw is better because you have access Togo back and edit what you want. The expert raw gives you more details Auto mode just captures what it decides on it own😂😂😂
ExpertRAW turned into a big disappointment. I did the same tests on S23. ExpertRAW is much more inconsistent than Auto, tendency more overexposure with characteristics like higher gamma value. Last year the zoom was even worse than with standard auto, I.e. too much oversharpening. Then Samsung messed up RAW format, which infact now is a preprocessed JPEG in DNG container only. Absolutely useless in Astro mode since about a year. Conclusion: ExpertRAW is unreliable and a mess. Looks like both apps are maintained by different teams. Samsung should be ashamed of this mess. If I a have a one-time chance to take a foto, then sure I won't choose ExpertRAW but stock cam app in auto mode. If only there were an option for more natural colours.
@@techwithbenefits Bigger file just means less compression, not necessary more image data. In ProMode you get nothing if you compare it with the jpg in dng+jpg mode. Samsung just puts a JPG in the DNG container since 2023.
@@donnawetter1513lol dude. Proraw is the one that saves a shitty jpg in dng container. Pro mode can save real raw pictures. Never compared the two by yourself, right? Watch less sponsored bullshit from "big" youtubers.
@@Dicktopus What is Proraw? No sorry ProMode is broken since the S22U with 2023 firmware. Of course I did the comparisons. Did you? I wish big youtubers would cover this and pressure Samsung to bring real raw back.
Hey there, young man! I'm old too, but I've used auto on cameras forever and got the results I've been looking for. If not, I edit them and 99% of the time, I improve the photo. Watching this video nearly gave me a headache 😂. I'm sticking with auto until I find a scene that I know will be problematic and then I'll use E.R. Like people with heavy backlighting or in a shadowy setting outdoors. Gotta say, Daniel knows Samsung cameras inside & out!
You're not being stupid, and you're never ever too old to learn a new skill. There are a lot of RUclips videos that can help you, so why not give it a go
This expert raw thing is a big fail from the start. The raw files aren't raw at all, the images are worse than in auto mode. It saves a bad, over sharpened, over denoised jpg to dng container. Fail.
I'm surprised that Auto mode is a lot better than Expert raw. I hope s25u will reduce the amount of processing on expert raw without compromising HDR and steering away from AI.
Thanks for your detailed review Daniel. I've done extensive side by side testing of Auto Mode and Expert RAW as well. Mostly during the day photos and I've had mixed results as well. The only mode I will currently use Expert RAW on is with the standard lens set to 24MP using -.3EV exposure compensation. I get my best results that way. The color science of Auto Mode is often a bit better but for me the resolution and the lack of over sharpening that the auto mode does makes using ExpertRAW worthwhile. I'm also just using the .jpg files and not the .dng RAW files. I didn't see enough of a difference in editing to warrant saving both files. I wish Samsung would improve their processing algorithms for the auto mode in 50MP and 200MP resolution. They are way off the standard 12MP auto images in exposure and color science. They are sometimes almost unusable and that's why I'm using ExpertRAW in 24MP.
Expert raw has been weird on this phone. I've been a long time user & expert raw is acting very different than previous phones. I've also had issues with raw photos from expert raw in lightroom. It's taking all the issues you are seeing to the max
Yeah expert raw photos are so hard to work with especially with masking in lightroom. It always puts an orange tinge on photos that pro mode doesn't have.
It's much more than just that. If you have Samsung members search "s24 ultra expert raw" and my post should be the first one that comes up. There's pictures of what's happening. Just from importing the colors are pushed far right & severely overexposed. This is unlike anything I've experienced & I've been using expert raw & light room since the s22u
The only issue with expert raw is the post processing, which takes away from the whole premise of a raw photo. This is why I personally prefer pro raw over expert raw.
Expert RAW was to be the competition of apple prores. But it so needs refinement. Especially that you can't shoot Log video with it...Samsung needs to put in the work.... If it can shoot in HDR10, maybe there is a way to shoot Log by retaining details in highlights and shadows but tone down the saturation, because HDR10 looks super bright saturated and overexposed
In the s23 I noticed that at least in 12mp using expert raw the photos come out with colors closer to what I see, whereas in normal mode the colors are more saturated
First this video was kinda misleading. Because if you don't or aren't going to edit the photos then there is no need to take a raw photo period. To act as if this would be a good point and shoot app. Is absurd right?! Raw is always going to be lacking in processing because the goal is just to capture a flat image in the first place and then you the user to edit the images to your own personal taste!!! Expert raw as I've stated before is for editing not at all point and shoot. The app is not the best because it's limited to the amount of information or lack thereof of the sensors and blah blah blah. As I'm writing this. Maybe you were actually doing something different. You kinda made the point without going into the purpose of the app. Ingenious. Great video. Have a great day on purpose. You deserve it.
The thing about ExpertRAW is there is some element of point and shoot about it because it has its own processing algorithm as it is computational RAW. Lots of people last year definitely preferred the processing from ExpertRAW in certain situations. But yes my point was that auto mode serves majority of people and ExpertRAW is great for people who wish to tweak and edit later.
Expert RAW. Import into Lightroom App. One of the fastest way I found to shoot pro pictures on the move. Can even add watermark right from app. Upload to social media. Amazing apps.
In ExpertRAW you should probably play around with exposure compensation manually. Then you would get better exposed photos without the need to postprocess them. But anyway, ExpertRAW still does too heavy HDR and too heavy oversharpening. The pictures do not look natural. I wish Samsung allowed some more customization of the HDR effect and oversharpening (the limited adjustments in Camera Assists have zero or too little effect)...
Honestly I am disappointed that samsung processes the raw files at all because it just means less control in lightroom including not being able to use enhance denoise. But I suppose Samsung denoises automatically 🤔
On paper: computational raw vs one shot raw. In reality you only get raw from 3rd party apps since Samsung broke raw support during the S22U lifecycle in the end of 2022.
ExpertRAW uses mult image stacking and computational photography to produce RAW images. Pro Mode is unprocessed and just the data and settings you feed it!
@@techwithbenefits ProMode should be unprocessed but it's not with Samsung, it is already de-mosaiced and just a JPG with no more headroom in Shadow and light recovery as the JPG.
thanks for the video very interesting research Otherwise I agree with what is said: - Samsung no longer produces real RAW, a shame for an app dedicated to professionals Let them do it in their basic pro mode ok, but not with Expert Raw! it is a delusion - too many options everywhere with the companion overlay, that by force, we have to spend hours looking for who is doing what - bugs here and there, not reliable - lots of blur - there is smoothing everywhere as soon as the brightness drops - take at night in manual mode, the results are horrible just by changing the exposure time, the colors drift, bleed even with the BL and ISO blocked and from my personal point of view, what's new since the S21 / 22u? What have we really gained in 4 generations? I no longer understand Samsung developers, no wonder many switch to Gcam....or other smartphones
I thought expert raw looks more natural but it looks heavily HDR even though i turned it off already. Raw shouldn't be processed image but it the opposite. Pro mode looks so much better
if you know how to edit and understand raw files a raw file will be easier to edit and give a better result every time a jpg on the s23 is maybe 9mb the dng raw file can be 75mb plus. there's a lot more data to work with in a dng file, which in your video are unprocessed files
I thought that was the idea with raw. The camera/phone does make any processing decision. Almost like a photo negative that leaves it as shot and you do all the decisions post.
Samsung has awful sharpening. Softer in auto is just a trick. It softens an already processed picture. The sharpening in Raw is worse! When you open Lightroom, it is standard on 50. Expert raw is nor read raw, it is also processed a lot. Now you can indeed put the sharpening from 50 to zero. But then the sharpening is still present. Almost same amount as auto. But even if sharpening is too much, it looks a bit more natural. For people who wants the best, pro mode seems the wat to go. But it is opposite. Much more noise in picture, and there simple tweaking is impossible. Must really know Lightroom well, especially how to reduce noise and THAT is for experts
The boring Samsung fanboy, talking about this rehashed S21 Ultra, with ancient camera sensors that even mid range phones can beat. Hahahahhahahahha. Smart people get Vivo X100 Pro, Oppo Find X7 Ultra, Xiaomi 14 Ultra, not this overpriced garbage rehashed by Samsung.
Much of my life is spent in desktop Lightroom Classic editing RAW images. There is WAY more information in a RAW image to play with than a .jpg, so much so that your options often seem limitless. I haven't worked with a RAW image out of my new Samsung S24 Ultra, but am certain that it will be the same. I'm not really interested in what the initial RAW image looks like right out of the camera ... only in what I can make it look like by editing it in Lightroom Classic. Thanks for the good video.
Exprer raw is not actually raw tho. It's just the jpg in a dng container. To get actual raw you need to use pro mode on the stock camera app
@RandomUser-tj3mg I think Pro mode Raws are the same deal though no?
Yes, Daniel, would love to see a Pro Mode comparison. Thanks for attention to detail!
In my experience, PRO mode looks much more natural than the overprocessed photos from AUTO or ExperRAW modes. PRO mode does not oversaturate and it especially does not do all that crazy oversharpening which Samsungs are notorious for. (I know you can set up less sharpening in Camera Assist but the difference is very small, IMO). In other words, photos from PRO mode are not eye=catchy but they are natural. And that is what I like about them.
But PRO mode has one big disadvantage. And it is very very limited dynamic range. It probably does not do any HDR so highlights are often overblown and shadows are too dark. So it cannot be used for high contrast scenes.
Nice review ... I would love to see you add Pro mode to your next comparison. I'll definitely keep and use my phone in Auto mode ... I would rather it take it right (most of the time) the first time than try and save it later in editing.
quick tip to fix high resolution contrast; turn off adaptive pixel, and turn off scene optimizer and its fixed
I would really appreciate a comparison between pro mode and expert raw, for low light, I mean real low loghr light night sky, I think pro mode is still better, more room for editing and less processing
What about regular pro mode vs expert raw? That would be confusing
I agree with Daniel. It all depends on what you are doing, which will dictate whether you use RAW or Auto. Although I will say, that considering that RAW is basically compared to a digital negative, in my opinion it's good to be shooting both RAW and JPEG. Because while yes it uses more space, how do you know whether or not you want to edit said photo down the track? Good to have options.
With important shots, I almost only use ExpertRaw on my Base S23 now. I have no knowledge of photo editing, but simply applying a pre-downloaded profile in Lightroom or adjusting a few sliders produces results that surpass what the main camera can achieve. It takes an extra minute or two, but it's worth it to me. I dislike the auto mode processing and you can't edit those pictures in the same way.
Just got the expert raw update, looking forward to your video. 😊😊😊
Expert Raw editing is great 💯
Thanks for a great review. The raw photo wins every time. I’m sure that the majority would be happy with auto mode though.
Yes, do a pro mode edit, too, please. It depends on the situation, time etc.
I can't understand why you didn't show what you did in Lightroom at every single picture you've choosed. If you just turned down the exposure you haven't merely touched LR's possibilities...
True, the lightroom test is irrelevant if ya dont show your lightroom process of what youre tapping into.
I know its highlights, whites, exposure, and clarity
Do another retest after July update which they promise to fix a lot of the camera issue
Well this pretty much mirrors my findings, Samsung have some work do to. For the price of this phone I did expect better camera performance and it seems to be software / processing is the problem with it, especially the 'raw' which isn't really raw! Looks like my trusty SONY A65 DSLR will still be coming on holidays with me.
And looks like you are on the southern gold coast, hard to take a bad photo there on a sunny day.....yet the phone managed to!
On S23 Ultra Expert RAW is much better when working on it in LR mobile, but the JPGs are basically very good from scratch.
Depends if you want to edit or not.
As with any camera RAW has to be edited, no surprise so your examples are useless if you take RAW out of cam.
Do not set the Scene Optimizer on,on your Samsung phones. It ruins your photos most of the time than it makes it fine
@AppleReviews it's good in some scenarios like pet photos but it can be bad sometimes
In your opinion only!
No, I love scene optimiser 😅
Is there not supposed to be an Expert Raw update ( April ) to enhance the firmware update from a few days ago (~ March 28 - 29)?
There is yes. I've got the April update, but expertRAW is still on the previous version as of now
RAW better than EXPERT Raw. The expert raw automatically process the image after the image is taken which defeats the purpose
Only from 3rd party apps, you don't get uncrossed raw anymore from Samsung stock app since early 2023.
Thx for the video. One thing I don't understand. You can also modify the highlights, shadows of a photo taken with the auto mode. Why use expert RAW then? thx!
If it would be real raw you would have more headroom in a DNG compared to a JPG to do that, sadly that's not the case with the Samsung stock app.
The ExpertRAW app provides a .dng file which has more data and information compared to a standard .jpeg file
@@techwithbenefits Are you sure? Check it, with ProMode this is definitely not the case. Also a Mult HDR DNG taken with Lightroom has much more to offer than an ExpertRAW DNG.
@@techwithbenefits More data does not necessary equal more information.
I use pro mode instead of expert raw. Expert raw jus processes things very bright.
from my heavy experience with hundreds of photos with expert raw vs auto is :
1. expert raw misses the shot ,, terrible shutter lag for moving subjects vs instant freeze on auto mode ,, try it on a walking subject auto vs expert raw , on auto its freezes it with fast shutter while on expert the subject has gone !
so its mainly for static non moving subjects.
2. second thing at lowlight or mid to low light heavy noise reduction applies that when zooming into your photo its looks like oil painting.
i hope Samsung can push the limit of scene optimizer from only color/light editing to also changes shutter times .. same as honor doing on Motion sensing capture mode when the phone detect the subject moving it increase shutter speed to freeze it ,, Samsung can apply that to scene optimizer rather than lifting the shadows and adding colours.. ,, hear me Samsung play with shutter speed & iso too ... I don't have time to go to pro to play with parameters and by the time i do that the moment is gone.
I don't use any photo apps for images because they have a very digital effect and produce overly sharp images. Instead, I capture a prof video as needed and then use the capture button located at the bottom left to save a jpg from it. Trust me, I have achieved better results for images this way than with the photo modes. Does anyone else use the camera this way?
Pro mode vs Expert Raw, pls...!
I much prefer the Auto snaps.
If you are not a photographer nor photo editing inclined person... Why would anyone even try using Expert Raw. I know you need to make content... But to me the comparison makes no sense unless you know what you are doing/like editing. If you want to make this type of video make a colab with a photographer and it'll be much richer. (my 2 cents)
I did have a collaboration planned for this, however, due to timings and scheduling it just didn't work out, so went for it myself.
The idea is more about the processing of expert raw vs the processing of auto mode though
This is what I don't like about samsung. Even the raw photos are processed and enhanced.
Expert Raw is completely broken 🤦🏽♂️
The normal Pro Mode is too much better than Expert Raw and is real Raw.
in time my opinion... Auto Mode is edited by AI... ExpertRaw is to be edited by human....
Taking shot with expert raw is better because you have access Togo back and edit what you want.
The expert raw gives you more details
Auto mode just captures what it decides on it own😂😂😂
That's right! They serve different purposes for sure
ExpertRAW turned into a big disappointment. I did the same tests on S23. ExpertRAW is much more inconsistent than Auto, tendency more overexposure with characteristics like higher gamma value. Last year the zoom was even worse than with standard auto, I.e. too much oversharpening. Then Samsung messed up RAW format, which infact now is a preprocessed JPEG in DNG container only. Absolutely useless in Astro mode since about a year.
Conclusion: ExpertRAW is unreliable and a mess. Looks like both apps are maintained by different teams. Samsung should be ashamed of this mess. If I a have a one-time chance to take a foto, then sure I won't choose ExpertRAW but stock cam app in auto mode. If only there were an option for more natural colours.
As with ProMode, those files are not really RAW, you will have no additional headroom in highlight and shadow recovery compared to the jpg.
You definitely do get more headroom! It has much more data and a much bigger file size
@@techwithbenefits Bigger file just means less compression, not necessary more image data. In ProMode you get nothing if you compare it with the jpg in dng+jpg mode. Samsung just puts a JPG in the DNG container since 2023.
@@donnawetter1513lol dude. Proraw is the one that saves a shitty jpg in dng container. Pro mode can save real raw pictures. Never compared the two by yourself, right? Watch less sponsored bullshit from "big" youtubers.
@@Dicktopus What is Proraw? No sorry ProMode is broken since the S22U with 2023 firmware. Of course I did the comparisons. Did you? I wish big youtubers would cover this and pressure Samsung to bring real raw back.
I hope I'm not being stupid. But not everyone has the knowledge or ability to change different photos or methods of photography. I am Elderly
Hey there, young man! I'm old too, but I've used auto on cameras forever and got the results I've been looking for. If not, I edit them and 99% of the time, I improve the photo. Watching this video nearly gave me a headache 😂. I'm sticking with auto until I find a scene that I know will be problematic and then I'll use E.R. Like people with heavy backlighting or in a shadowy setting outdoors. Gotta say, Daniel knows Samsung cameras inside & out!
You're not being stupid, and you're never ever too old to learn a new skill. There are a lot of RUclips videos that can help you, so why not give it a go
RAW is a gimmick on most phones, nothing more than a storage hog.
This expert raw thing is a big fail from the start. The raw files aren't raw at all, the images are worse than in auto mode. It saves a bad, over sharpened, over denoised jpg to dng container. Fail.
I'm surprised that Auto mode is a lot better than Expert raw. I hope s25u will reduce the amount of processing on expert raw without compromising HDR and steering away from AI.
What is the connection between S series and an app?
Expert raw is not supposed to look good. It's supposed to retain as much information so it can look better post processing in like Light Room.
Thanks for your detailed review Daniel. I've done extensive side by side testing of Auto Mode and Expert RAW as well. Mostly during the day photos and I've had mixed results as well. The only mode I will currently use Expert RAW on is with the standard lens set to 24MP using -.3EV exposure compensation. I get my best results that way. The color science of Auto Mode is often a bit better but for me the resolution and the lack of over sharpening that the auto mode does makes using ExpertRAW worthwhile. I'm also just using the .jpg files and not the .dng RAW files. I didn't see enough of a difference in editing to warrant saving both files. I wish Samsung would improve their processing algorithms for the auto mode in 50MP and 200MP resolution. They are way off the standard 12MP auto images in exposure and color science. They are sometimes almost unusable and that's why I'm using ExpertRAW in 24MP.
Expert raw has been weird on this phone. I've been a long time user & expert raw is acting very different than previous phones. I've also had issues with raw photos from expert raw in lightroom. It's taking all the issues you are seeing to the max
Yeah expert raw photos are so hard to work with especially with masking in lightroom. It always puts an orange tinge on photos that pro mode doesn't have.
It's much more than just that. If you have Samsung members search "s24 ultra expert raw" and my post should be the first one that comes up. There's pictures of what's happening. Just from importing the colors are pushed far right & severely overexposed. This is unlike anything I've experienced & I've been using expert raw & light room since the s22u
It's been weird since it was released. :D
It has been super weird. I don't recall it being this hit and miss on S23 Ultra
@@techwithbenefits I was better on the S23U but really bad on the S22U.
Sadly you didnt tweek the jpg ... with something like snapseed ...
The only issue with expert raw is the post processing, which takes away from the whole premise of a raw photo. This is why I personally prefer pro raw over expert raw.
Expert RAW was to be the competition of apple prores. But it so needs refinement. Especially that you can't shoot Log video with it...Samsung needs to put in the work....
If it can shoot in HDR10, maybe there is a way to shoot Log by retaining details in highlights and shadows but tone down the saturation, because HDR10 looks super bright saturated and overexposed
In the s23 I noticed that at least in 12mp using expert raw the photos come out with colors closer to what I see, whereas in normal mode the colors are more saturated
First this video was kinda misleading. Because if you don't or aren't going to edit the photos then there is no need to take a raw photo period. To act as if this would be a good point and shoot app. Is absurd right?! Raw is always going to be lacking in processing because the goal is just to capture a flat image in the first place and then you the user to edit the images to your own personal taste!!! Expert raw as I've stated before is for editing not at all point and shoot. The app is not the best because it's limited to the amount of information or lack thereof of the sensors and blah blah blah. As I'm writing this. Maybe you were actually doing something different. You kinda made the point without going into the purpose of the app. Ingenious. Great video. Have a great day on purpose. You deserve it.
The thing about ExpertRAW is there is some element of point and shoot about it because it has its own processing algorithm as it is computational RAW. Lots of people last year definitely preferred the processing from ExpertRAW in certain situations.
But yes my point was that auto mode serves majority of people and ExpertRAW is great for people who wish to tweak and edit later.
Did you get that "magic" update to fix that expired camera hardware on the S24 Ultra? We are almost in April hahahahahhahahahahaha
Oh yes, Samsungs ol “it’ll be fixed with a future update” promise that still, to this day hasn’t happened!
Expert RAW. Import into Lightroom App. One of the fastest way I found to shoot pro pictures on the move. Can even add watermark right from app. Upload to social media. Amazing apps.
I'm happy that the auto mode "won the fight".. as a normal user i don't have patience to use ExpertRaw!
The thing is... the ExpertRAW produce no RAW...at least on my S24U
You'll need to go into expertRAW settings and turn on the raw copy!
@@techwithbenefits Just because the files is named dng does not mean it's raw inside. ExpertRAW stores it as JPG XL ProMode as plain jpg.
I find myself getting better results on the 24U using Pro mode vs Expert Raw. The 23U Expert raw processing seemed a lot better
auto mode is the best :D
Thank you. I'll be looking forward to your review of the Pro mode.
In ExpertRAW you should probably play around with exposure compensation manually. Then you would get better exposed photos without the need to postprocess them.
But anyway, ExpertRAW still does too heavy HDR and too heavy oversharpening. The pictures do not look natural. I wish Samsung allowed some more customization of the HDR effect and oversharpening (the limited adjustments in Camera Assists have zero or too little effect)...
I think samsung users should learn how to take great photos from pro mode. But where to find the photography school!!?
I use expert raw and pro mode only in scenarios when there's problem with lighting and If I have lot of time to play around with expert raws !
Honestly I am disappointed that samsung processes the raw files at all because it just means less control in lightroom including not being able to use enhance denoise. But I suppose Samsung denoises automatically 🤔
Will you make a video with the others capabillities of the expert raw such as nd filters, multiple exposures etc with examples?
Yes I plan on making that video very soon!
Hi there,
what is the difference between expert raw and pro mode ?
On paper: computational raw vs one shot raw. In reality you only get raw from 3rd party apps since Samsung broke raw support during the S22U lifecycle in the end of 2022.
ExpertRAW uses mult image stacking and computational photography to produce RAW images. Pro Mode is unprocessed and just the data and settings you feed it!
@@techwithbenefits ProMode should be unprocessed but it's not with Samsung, it is already de-mosaiced and just a JPG with no more headroom in Shadow and light recovery as the JPG.
thanks for the video
very interesting research
Otherwise I agree with what is said:
- Samsung no longer produces real RAW, a shame for an app dedicated to professionals
Let them do it in their basic pro mode ok, but not with Expert Raw! it is a delusion
- too many options everywhere with the companion overlay,
that by force, we have to spend hours looking for who is doing what
- bugs here and there, not reliable
- lots of blur
- there is smoothing everywhere as soon as the brightness drops
- take at night in manual mode, the results are horrible
just by changing the exposure time, the colors drift, bleed
even with the BL and ISO blocked
and from my personal point of view, what's new since the S21 / 22u?
What have we really gained in 4 generations?
I no longer understand Samsung developers, no wonder many switch to Gcam....or other smartphones
I prefer the standard RAW over the Expert RAW simply because of how much the over sharpening is done
I thought expert raw looks more natural but it looks heavily HDR even though i turned it off already. Raw shouldn't be processed image but it the opposite. Pro mode looks so much better
if you know how to edit and understand raw files a raw file will be easier to edit and give a better result every time a jpg on the s23 is maybe 9mb the dng raw file can be 75mb plus. there's a lot more data to work with in a dng file, which in your video are unprocessed files
Image 2 of the tree has a halo in the expert RAW mode. I have seen a similar halo on some of my photos with a hard edge.
I thought that was the idea with raw. The camera/phone does make any processing decision. Almost like a photo negative that leaves it as shot and you do all the decisions post.
One thing I hate about samsung camera is that it is too grainy in low light. Even using expert raw
Cant wait for a comparison of Pro Photo Mode
Great content well presented.
Best thing to do is get a pixel 8 pro, colour and processing is miles better, why I had to leave my s23 ultra back to the pixel lineups
Nah. I'm a Samsung RUclipsr and prefer the Samsung products
Samsung has awful sharpening. Softer in auto is just a trick. It softens an already processed picture.
The sharpening in Raw is worse! When you open Lightroom, it is standard on 50. Expert raw is nor read raw, it is also processed a lot.
Now you can indeed put the sharpening from 50 to zero. But then the sharpening is still present. Almost same amount as auto. But even if sharpening is too much, it looks a bit more natural.
For people who wants the best, pro mode seems the wat to go. But it is opposite. Much more noise in picture, and there simple tweaking is impossible. Must really know Lightroom well, especially how to reduce noise and THAT is for experts
ProMode RAW is fake too, you get not more highlight and shadow recovery as in the jpg. For real raw you need a 3rd party app.
The boring Samsung fanboy, talking about this rehashed S21 Ultra, with ancient camera sensors that even mid range phones can beat. Hahahahhahahahha. Smart people get Vivo X100 Pro, Oppo Find X7 Ultra, Xiaomi 14 Ultra, not this overpriced garbage rehashed by Samsung.
Why are you here? Must have a boring life to go around commenting on videos you don't like. Maybe get a hobby mate