Tom Prince - Is Heavier really Better? 3 Posing Videos + Interview
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- Опубликовано: 14 янв 2018
- It's not always the case but so many times we hear, "That bodybuilder looked better when they turned pro." A person's frame can only hold so much muscle before it starts to distort in some way. This is not a diss on Tom but the mind set that weight gain equals improvement.
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The first video of him posing was absolutely incredible!
Worst poser I've ever seen though.
His 1996 was his best year and shape, cutting to edge..dry.. and more speration
Honestly, I like pro BBuilders physique better at the NPC. When they become pro and they take their drug regime to the next level, their physiques look low quality. Protruded abdomen, no longer have that dry look, some even look like they've age by a decade. I rather be 225 dry then to be 255 with a stomach looking like I'm holding tons of water.
Very True! Many, many times you Hear...He looked better when he won his pro card. Many feel pressured to get bigger & ruin their lines & separation. Thx 4 watching & commenting!.
There are SO MANY examples of what you wrote. Flex Wheeler looked AMAZING around 220-230 & when he got in the 240's plus in 1999-2000 he looked like he had oil in some places & didn't have the detail or aesthetics he did at the lighter weights. Flex liked his 99 look & thought he should of beat Coleman at the 99 Grand Prix. I've seen backstage footage of Coleman & Flex pumping up backstage from that show & Flex is dreaming if he thought he was close to Coleman. Flex looked smooth in comparison when they were backstage next to each other. Coleman looked like an Alien...more impressive than the 2003 backstage footage for sure. I'll get some free time & make a video on it.
@@KCDarin Flex looked unbelievable at the 1999 English Grand Prix. I also thought he looked amazing at the 1993 Arnold Classic. I'm not too sure which physique I prefer. He also looked good at the 1993 Ironman Invitational which was one week before the Arnold Classic.
Tom: bigger isn’t always better.
Big Ramy: hold my dumbell.
Unfortunately for Tom his kidneys blew out
Big Ramy got smaller to win their slappy......
He looked he’s best in the first video clip
Agreed,rip to the bones
B Lt he looks better BIGGER
@@vanguard4065 No. He doesn't. Bigger just means more bloated, and with a bigger gut. The big gut ruins everything!!
The first clip he looks incredible, his only real flaw was he had a shallow back. As for the other 2 clips he looks softer, less dry and his gut has blown.
His first physique is totally sliced and diced. Loved it. It's mind boggling
Tom Prince is one of my all time faves! I do prefer him from 96-01 though. Even in 01 he was starting to look too big. But he trained at Gold's Venice and was surrounded by some of the most massive and best bodybuilders on the planet at that time so I'm sure he had no choice, but to think big, bigger, biggest. But he sure looked great at the 96 nationals. So did Fletcher and even Titus looked his best ever too at the show.
He was amazing full and dry. One of many true roid warriors. RIP.
La primera versión de Tom....la mejor sin duda. Como suele pasar a muchos bb en sus carreras. RIP
His 96 physique would dominate the pro ranks today. Man this guy had awesome genetics
Excellent point. He was harder an granier, and would have beaten Brandon Curry easily. Growth, insulin, ruins many physiques. Look at his belly button, it gets bigger and bigger...
So what you are actually saying is that the gene pool has in fact receded, yes? Because that would seem to be your suggestion based on the fact that you are championing his ability to dominate the pro ranks today!
Firstly, the gene pool has widened and will continue to do so courtesy of evolution. And secondly, he would simply not dominate todays pro ranks, he had glaring weaknesses back then and they would only be magnified today. Brandon Curry is not the best bodybuilder alive today, that is clear, but he is the owner of an upper body that is still Olympia standard, and by that I mean top three. Tom Prince had good legs and excellent hamstrings....but they did not compensate for the deficiencies in his upper body. He was never an Olympia contender in the 90s and he certainly wouldn't have been today.
@@truthsayerq7264 I think the general point that I'm trying to make is that in the early to mid-nineties the overall competition was better. Tom Prince is an amateur here, and could easily compete with today's pros. Look at the amateur circuit now at the national level, there is no comparison. Again, I think the use of insulin and the overuse of growth hormone has caused many adverse effects over the years. As for Brandon Curry, he was my pick to win this year, and I was rooting for him. That said, I watched a recent interview with Dorian Yates and he commended Brandon on his win, but said his physique wouldn't have been enough to win in the nineties. The competition was too exemplary. So to your point, the "gene pool" hasn't receded, but the overall competition has.
@@izzythomas848 this is due to hgher nbumber of pro cards distributed. Same gene pool combined with more pro cards implies that lower level athletes will compete as pro, thus dumping the general level. In addition, this implies also that, compared to 90's, nowadays elite level Bodybuilders don't compete in many shows, they simply try to get their mr. olympia pass, and once they got it start Mr. O preparation (AC is an exception because of his prize).
LoL Brandon curry is the worst Mr olimpia winner of all time imo esp from 1980 on an he's got chicken legs
The evolution of his bellybutton.
His 96 physique makes Phil Heath and the rest of the top guys over the last decade look 6-8 weeks out.
Not even close, Phil’s conditioning is as good as this almost every time.
Haha no it's not. His 2011 look was his best by far. There are alot of times that he was not as peeled as this 100%
It's prob deceptive to u bc Phil has alot more muscle
I have maintained this for a very long time 1996 Tom Prince was THE most pleasing on stage physique of all time IMHO ! To me, personally, Flex Wheeler of 1993 Ironman is the 2nd best to 1996 Tom Prince !!!!
I agree with your point but I think the problem is, is the there are always a few guys at the top spot who CAN retain their shape AND be massive. All the guys placing below them know deep down that they can't beat them unless somehow they can come in with the same shape only bigger. And then they're hooked. Until nowadays maybe where there's classic and 212.
Tom looked better than most of today's pros. The 1990s were bodybuilding best decade. YES IT IS
By far his best look was at 233lbs. Looked awful by 2001-2002.
I feel that even Tom May have sacrifice quality. I don't think it was due to his getting bigger although I can see people's points. I always thought it was a known fact that his kidneys were failing him probably a little bit before he realized it. I'm not a doctor I'm not an expert but him holding water not getting in condition and having certain issues that he described and other interviews are definitely issues of kidney problems. It's an also known fact that his Guru or coach Chad Nichols was a very big advocate of diuretics and more diuretics. On top of the bodybuilding Lifestyle on top of the dehydration and let's face it in extreme guy like Chad who is built some of the most extreme and unreal physiques we've ever seen but still extreme. I'm a huge fan of Tom Prince more of an NPC competitor than a pro. Same with Craig Titus same with a lot of the bodybuilders. It meant something to become a pro not that it doesn't today but there's a lot more of them to water down a little bit. Back then to earn your pro card meant a lot more than it does today.
Just the sickest hamstrings I ever saw. Ever
I agree with your description.
Ronnie Coleman, Tom Prince, both great examples of how crisp they looked when they just turned pro.
Ronnie claim and I believe him that he was natty when he turned pro. I even think he did a couple pro shows still natural.thats how freaky he was
Wow! Incredible muscularity and detail.
everybody has a "sweet spot" body weight where looks their best , depending on his frame size mostly
Flex Wheeler looked his best at 216-218 lb in 93 and looked darn good in 97-98 at 224-229lb. But in 99 tried to come in at 240s and looked soft as hell next to Ronnie.
Levrone looked his best in 245 lb or so, he tried coming in mid 250s 96-99 and he placed 4th everytime at the Olympia
Ronnie looked his best below 250 lb also, dunno why he kept getting bigger after 99 where he didnt need it.He lost his condition and the waist.
Agree 100% my fav. Look of Ronnie Coleman was 98-99 not his bigge looks jay cutler when he was smaller.thats just an example but I agree at a certain point it throws off ur midsection an flow
Besides the distended abs,Tom had a very competitive Pro physique.Great video D.C.!
Thx Kong...I'll start posting again soon!!
Awesome. RIP
Unreal Physique
argualy the best hams
1:42-2:01 Flex Magazine (12/1996). At Met-Rx Gym in Costa Mesa, California.
300lbs Jurassic park monster on the loose!!
In last video he looks like today's gen of bodybuilders
Very good back double bicept. Pure power physique.
Big tom❤.....
The Great Tom Prince. RIP Iron Brother.
1996. He was awesome
Incredible shape
Tom..il medico,ex nuotatore divenuto bodybuilder👍
GH works!!
1996 he looked the best very underrated BB
What is name thia music at the 3 min?
He looked as if he was melting away! 96 he looked best for sure 💯💯
His 90's physique infarction more pleasing and fuller in all the right areas, the waist is nice and tight.
One of my favorites. A great guy with a freaky physique which could have gone far if it wasn't for his kidney issues.
Or could have gotten nowhere if he hadn’t pushed his kidneys to the limit 🤷🏻♂️
i still dont know how Craig Titus beat this???? he looked like a school boy infront of Tom
Craig had slightly better condition but that should not have been enough. Tom looked awesome in that show. There could have been some politics at play because I think Craig had lost close the year before & maybe the judges were scared he had an automatic backstage if he didn't win. Yea, Tom got the shaft in my opinion. He did get a nice deal right after that show though. $85,000 was worth a lot more than now.
Simple Craigslist more complete. Quality. Tom Prince was always bigger
KC Darin I think Toms frequent trips to the after parties of the New York pro and other events he attended which were basically g4p were not accepted at the time either so his placement reflected this at times. But a world class physique non the less. 👌
Politics!
Because back then Craig Titus was evenly proportioned and way better condition. Craig Titus was probably one of the best images of all time. I think you destroy his body with drugs and enhancements took everything way too far as a professional. Conference was never able to bring that conditioning and he blames his kidneys. Yes his kidneys failed and he has a disease that he speaks about on a recent interview. Check it out it's brand-new from a show like a month ago.
How did the camera quality get progressively worse though ? 🤦♂️
I guess some individuals can't stop and somewhere it makes sense you wanna progress and lookin at the competition you want to be bigger than before, that is automatism. People, individuals have it with cars, with a lot of things its a natural thing to go further and then you don't realise it's going the wrong direction. Shawn Ray didn't go that way, i think, but you have got to be strong and accept your own borders.
I've had a few times of automatism when recording albums for a couple of bands. (95% of bands would let me do my thing & that's the reason they hired me.. usually because they had heard a demo or album I had recorded for someone else. I would always give the client what they wanted EVEN if I knew it sounded better before they insisted on pushing this & that higher & harder. This particular bands album sounded pretty good but I have demos, where they just let me set everything up & no pressure. Their demos for their album sound amazing & not just pretty good. I never let them listen to those demos again after the 1st time because for 2 albums they pushed me to make their album sound worse. I would get to that sweet spot in mixing where it sounded awesome & one person would insist on more highs in the guitar; another more compression on the bass & the drummer telling to turn the snare up louder. They sold a lot of CD's despite that but they could have been masterpieces instead of very good albums. I'm not going to name the band but I saw them open up for Yngwie Malmsteen & they blew Malmsteen & their band away. OF course Malmsteen was this amazing guitar player but so was the one for the band I recorded. A few years later, I put out an album of my own with help of a few friends & It sounded great. It wasn't long until more people heard it & although my music isn't metal; I like certain songs in metal & can record any style. I started getting a lot of Hard Rock, metal & Hip Hop artists hitting me up. This is a long comment but I'm reminiscing in comment. One 16 year old black kid used to come in & I almost charged him nothing & would teach him how to do it himself. The other day; that kid who is now 15 years older was announced as an Emmy Award winning Hip Hop artist & my jaw just dropped. I used one of his 1st recordings in one of my videos. Part of it anyway. Pretty Cool!! At 2:30 seconds in 2006 ruclips.net/video/JkPeq5XRjQU/видео.html
Conditioning went down hill and started to get a bit of the belly, completely lost that tight waist. Looked Olympia quality in the first clip.
Apparently destroyed his joints lifting heavy, said he spent the first hour at the gym just warming up to cope with the pain.
RIP Tom
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Back in the days ie 80s and 90s, it was almost a common practice that the guy who was runner up the year prior would win the following year. Unless you were Matt Mendenhall. That guy must hav placed 2nd in the NPC at least 3-4 times. He never turned pro. In 1995 Phil Hernon cam out of no where and beat Craig Titus. I agree that Tom Prince should have won. He had some of the best combined mass, hardness and conditioning that I have ever seen till this date. He was known for having some of the best hamstrings ever. Super hang!!
96 was amazing, big downfall chasing more size!!
While I agree Tom looked his best lighter, he didn't "age" well either. I understand why he felt he needed to be bigger, and at 235 lbs shredded as he was in the beginning of the video, he would've been dwarfed by guys like Nassar, Jay, and Ronnie. So I get why he felt he needed to be 255 lbs. He just didn't have the genetics / body structure to carry that much weight and still look "good".
He had the best physique earlier but still had crazy back acne, and already had that weird sunken in face thing that Dorian and Palumbo have after years of roids. And I think it's weird too that these guys whole goal is to get big muscles and win these contests in a speedo, but they all seem to spend 5 minutes on a posing routine.
He looked very impressive in both better in the forst
96 version all the way. Paper thin skin, rock hard muscle, solid mass in "x" shape. Mass at expense of shape/conditioning always bloats these dudes.
Die Haare sind ab , und der Bauch dicker ! Seine Form hat sich verformt 😊💪💪😝😝
sehe ich auch so. im ersten clip war er noch sehr ästhetisch..aber was soll man auch machen. um relevant zu bleiben, muss man sowas halt in kauf nehmen..
For stage no but if you like to be big yes
It is like Dorian except better chest delts arms
Name songs!
1996 the best
Beast!!!!!!
Yes he was and he was very smart Except when it came to taking Advil. Too much advil or ibuprophen will kill your kidneys. My roomate was taking butt loads of Ibuprophen & I hadn't seen him in a few days...then I saw his face looked like a big watermelon & from the knee down he was so swollen he had droplets of blood going down both legs because his skin was starting to rip. We put him on a scale and he was 40 pounds over what he usually weighs. I told him what to do & told him if he didn't lose at least 15 pounds in 24 hours he was going to the hospital. He lost 20 in 24 hrs. & the other 20 the next 2 days but his kidneys were close to failing. Some over the counter stuff is very dangerous if over used. Yates worst health scare was internal bleeding from something similar not the PED's he was taking. He talks about it in part 2 of his inter view with John Hansen. Thx 4 Watching
He was absolutely awesome. But I think sometimes guys need to forget about what the scale says or what the other guy weighs on stage and concentrate on what the mirror is saying about your physique. He may have just been a little off in that 2002 show, but then again he seemed to be able to nail a sensational looking physique when he was down closer to 240. He was great though. Ive seen much much much worse attempts at guys fucking up their physiques because they tried to push their weight/size too far.
Agree again. Paul Dillett weighed 263 at the 1993 Ironman & his taper and lats spread out similar to Arnold. He went up to 275 for the 1996 Ironman & although impressive his back wasn't as good and his flair of his lats didn't come out like when he weighed 263. His midsection also got thicker at 275. He was incredibly impressive in 93. Even his back shots got pretty good response from the audience. I found it hard to believe Vince Taylor beat him in that show; although Vince was a very good bodybuilder. I'll be doing a video of that show soon.(The 1993 Ironman) Possibly my next one.
Yeah I agree but back in those days bern Bigger was the only thing body builders knew, just they had to get bigger.it didnt matter at what costs
Tom had it all to be a mr olympia...
1996 version,hands down.
thats a silly question? the 1996 first video politics aside would of beaten dorian yates in the 96 olympia no buts about it ????
Tom like so many , no matter how gifted , were on the edge looking down at the new world , a yawning ominous chasm between reality and their dreams, "the size game was on". It could not be helped, and so Tom went down that road and of course ruined his physique like his cohort at the time big Craig, both looked their best as amateurs!
Agree.
Its a shame with bigger is better mentality of bodybuilding that ruins many physiques.
Remember same with UKs JD Dowado.
Smallest on stage when he got his pro card, but looked fantastic and actually not unlike the early Tom Prince.
Played the size game and lost both his condition and lines.
It's happened to so many pros...even Heath the last 2 years. I've got a video of JD from 2002. I'll check out his earlier physique. Heath maxed out in 2103. He was huge for his frame but since 2014 he's struggled with not having distention. Dennis James recently said he made a mistake chasing size & wished he'd chased shape and condition. JD 2002 Link ruclips.net/video/v2Wn1PELYwk/видео.html
Thanks for link KC.
Yeah look for JD winning then EFBB British to get his pro card. He had come up from light heavies the previous year and looked great as he was.
Sadly the quest for size nearly always takes over, as you say even with Heath.
Thats what I liked about one of my fav physiques Charles Clairemont.
He let his classic lines and aesthetics do the talking.
@@mikeramgopal3912 It took me a while to find the footage. They have some 1992 Footage where he is in green trunks but he didn't look in great condition. It's starts at 3:10 & he looks WAY better. He has a very short torso which isn't bad for bodybuilding but it makes stomach distention easier to get. Kai Greene has a short torso & so did Samir Bannout. I noticed as he got bigger he struggled with it in pictures I was looking through. It wasn't too bad in that 2002 video, although it's there but some pictures really showed it. He looks great in this video link. I didn't realize he was that good way back then. Here's the Link.. At 3:10 ruclips.net/video/j1BQU31ottg/видео.html
@@KCDarin I was at the 1992 Britain when JD won the show. I've still got some amazing pictures as I was close to the stage. He looked amazing that day. I think if he had competed the year after then he would have placed well at some pro shows. He just seemed to leave it a little too long and the guys got bigger and the judges started to reward size over symmetry.
Tom literally kept the same posing routine for 6 years.... he didn’t have time to ‘refine’ that as well?
Yeah, good point!!
Esse chape do tom era escultural.os de hoje não chegam aos pés
Heavier and heavier till you die young…
Flex Lewis is kind of reminiscent of him imo
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Fuller and drier than Dorian at his best in the first vid IMO
1996 aesthetic as fu#@, 2001 bubble gut as fu#@, and 2002 bubble bubble gut as hell
His posing did not help. Always off balanced, like a female gymnast on the balance beam.
He also allowed his ab muscles to relax and distend. It is not just the poses since the judges will notice his distended gut during the transitions as he goes from pose A to pose B.
Mr O
Yes he looked better lighter but when posing on an olympia stage in the 90s with the likes of Dillet, Yates, Ruhl, Nasser..... he would of disappeared in the lineup. The only choice was to go up. He just couldn't maintain the conditioning at the higher weight.
With bigger back and glutes definitely 1996.
He was awkward poser! He couldn’t wait to get off stage. Think he was uncomfortable contest timez
So many of the guys around that time didn't put much into posing or getting coached on stage presentation...He was a terrible poser
Looked way better at 96 USA. If u want to see an even better example look at the years Mike Mazaratto turned pro cant remember if it was USA or Nationals, I think it was the Nationals. He never looked better than the contest he turned pro. All his pro performances pale in comparison to what he looked like at his
last amateur show.
Too bad his career was cut short from pain killers
That umbilical hernia cost him some places.
wtf that bloated gut later
Greamerz 😂😂🤫
He was working then with chad the belly builder nichols
20 more pounds of fat on his midsection
Oh he definitely got way bigger. You can see in the squad's is back in his chest. Even his hamstrings. Which were insane by the way. He just lacked conditioning whether it was a kidney issue or rebound on the diuretics what it whatever the case was I've heard different versions in different stories he was never able to bring the conditioning ever even when he won his Pro card he wasn't in condition
not good point of view but i thing lighter he is better
No,in 1996 looks more better
Yes, And I found the magazine that has that photo shoot in it with Craig Titus. I didn't know if I had lost it moving about a year & a half ago. That is my all time favorite look of Tom's in that 1st footage plus the photoshoot. He looked good turning pro but just more POP to his poses.Some could be the lighting. Best he looked as a pro is that NOC footage. I do believe him about the advil. I had a friend take a lot of PED's & he was fine then he started taking a buttload of Ibuprofen & his kidneys almost quit. He was so swollen with water his skin on his shins (front of calves started to split open. He lost 45 pounds of water in 3 days. Crazy!
great genetics.. the only flaw i can see is his slightly long torso..
That back acne, though....
Nevertheless, he still got better back and arms than any other todays pro bodybuilders
The bigger he got the worse he looked.
1996 is way better
No guts
He can’t hold a pose due to all the clenbuteral
Heavier heart n kidneys arent better
My god he couldn't pose for shit 😂😂
LETS CLEAR UP SOMETHING RIGHT AWAY. THIS GUY IS DEAD.
If your serious, you may be thinking of Paul Demayo who also had massive legs like Tom Prince. Tom had/has kidney issues but downsized & runs a Rental Living Company with his wife the last I heard. Paul Demayo got hooked on Heroin & got a hold of a bad batch that killed several people in his area. Guys, Stay away from drugs & if you get injured don't take opioid pain medication. Most injuries you can get through with over the counter stuff. It's super addicting & VERY hard to get off once your body becomes tolerant too it. (It's great for someone who is dying or terminally ill but even if you crack a vertebrae; tell the doctor you can do without it.)
Hes not dead he lives with no kidney getting dialysis 3 days a week. He has a blood disorder which killed his kidneys. After he quit bodybuilding he got a transplant and again it killed his kidney on no drugs whatsoever. If you have a condition, which most guys do, the drugs can cause serious problems. It's the same thing you hear on all prescription drug commercials on tv. All drugs can kill you if your not the right person.
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