Jacobo Aviles fuck pay drivers because yeah while some of them like lando can race and do have talent there’s so many higher talented drivers out there that never get the chance or opportunity to prove what they’ve got because some rich C**t pays there where through to a seat or team instead.
One thing I adore Kimi Raikkonen so much: he was very poor, jis family is very poor and they didn't even have an inside toilet in their house. His dad worked as a street cleaner and a taxi driver. Kimi needed to proof himself all the time he got in a car. He was always very much tested. Kimi has also silently donated to poor children's charities.
@@TheNecromancer6666 honestly, I'm pretty sure Hamilton does participate in smaller charities as well, but for other stuff he posts it on his social media... so what? Can't we just agree that there's nothing inherently wrong about raising awareness? Why should he not talk about it? Ya know that when a celebrity endorses a charity, that's worth a lot to the charity! Now you can criticize the way he's doing it, that's your opinion, but I don't understand how Hamilton talking about it is inherently a bad thing. Not to say Kimi is doing smth wrong either, that's just his personality, he doesn't like attention very much. They're both two different people but both do great things to help those less fortunate
@@chickenindabox3169 I get the impression he promotes himself. Not the causes he supports. I am totally agreeing with nearly All his causes, but I think he is not actually engaged in the cause Only in what publicity it gives him. But thats my impression not a fact. I only met the Man once in a business Meeting with AMG and he was very nice. But not engaging.
@@TheNecromancer6666 tbh I can definitely imagine him doing it to promote himself, but in the end it's a mutually beneficial thing, so either way no harm done (although I understand if one would personally think less of him for that). Also you met him? Do you work at AMG or how? That's mad! Sounds like you've got an awesome job
@@TheNecromancer6666 Cut him some slack, I do understand were you come from but with a following that big, promoting a cause is probably as helpful or even way more helpful than just giving money silently to such cause. But its always difficult in these times to see what's done out of which motivations.
99% of drivers in F1 are from really rich families. Even Ayrton Senna’s family were rich, but I don’t think many would have called him a “Pay Driver”...
This is why I think Lewis Hamilton is so insanely fast. The way his dad worked to get him into go karts I think Lewis feels like he almost owes his dad 110% effort every time he steps in a car to repay the opportunity his dad gave him. That’s something most other drivers won’t have.
Ayy See that’s probably very true, when you put that into perspective. Especially through his karting career, it was almost a must that he needed to win races from such a young age so his father could earn his money back and his efforts where worth it all.
The difference between Lando and pay drivers such as Stroll, Latifi and Mazepin is that whilst Landos dad payed for him to get coached and get into karting, it was his talent that got him to his seat. Whereas for the others, there dads just directly payed for there seats.
I wouldn’t call a Stroll PayDriver . He has proved himself . He may not be a Lando/Leclerc/Russel/Hamilton but he sure does deserve his seat in F1. It takes more than just money to win several podiums , Qualify top 3 multiple times . Sometimes I just feel ppl hate him for being rich . That’s just the nature of human . Hate anyone whose more privileged.
That is a true irony. I'll admit, my outlook on it was changed after watching this. It makes sense and I know money makes the system work. You just always want to cheer for the underdog.
I don't think people so much hate pay drivers but rather *bad* pay drivers. You can buy yourself a seat all you want but if you're a no show in it and there's a whole paddock of F2 drivers way more worthy of it than you, and with less financial backing than yourself, that's when people start to be against you. It's kind of like kids of famous actors giving acting a go. Yeah alright your dad bought you a career and your first appearance is a blockbuster but if you're no good then no one wants to watch you.
It’s always been a game of boys with toys. I can imagine most of this is just being envious because a 17 year old is making millions while already growing up crazy rich. It does seem unfair, but to be honest it has been like that in F1 always. Instead of being mad about it people should be more focused on being able to afford to get their own son through a karting and into a F1 career.
I think a "pay driver" is someone who doesn't really deserve to be in the seat and wouldn't have got the seat without the money and aren't /weren't good enough to get the seat on their own like stroll. But people like Lauda, Norris and Perez would've got a seat without most of their money
Tommo F1 i actually don’t think he’s a pay driver, taking aside his talent -which he obviously has as we’ve seen- i’m of the idea he had some help in climbing the f1 mountain, he started very young with races which i suppose is kinda common between drivers at this time and obviously money did much of the work at first. talking about how much he brings to the sport, as you said about some other pay drivers, i think his sponsors bring but not that much. i’m going off topic right now but i think he brings a younger fanbase, so he’s ‘helping’ without money, i just wanted to add this thought of mine lmao.
@@jordishima well yes it does ;) 2 years at that age makes a lot of difference. I just checked their respective height. Max is now 10 cm taller than Lando. When this photo was taken, Lando was 13 and Max 15 years old. It's not so surprising that Max is a "head" taller than Lando. Don't know how you remember yourself at that age, but in a very short period of time, you grow up very fast. And you can see at Max's head that he's starting to become a teenager and you can even "see" the acne coming out ^^
Lando just didn't grow until he was like 15, in other pictures you can see he's also a lot shorter than other people his age at that time. And he was also still growing a bit when he started in f1, he's just a bit of a late bloomer. The picture I'm reffering to was in his karting days where he's standing next to Max Fewtrell (who is the same age as him) and he is a good head shorter, but now he is slightly taller than Max, so it all evened out.
Lando was a top driver at every level. He outshined the other drivers (he has so many karting titles, and in cars, blowing out whoever was in second place). It's not like Mazepin, who barely cracked the top 4 in his championships and still got promoted to the next levels. Lando earned his seat in every single championship he has raced in. Yeah, he had the financial backing, but other drivers get this financial backing through sponsors anyways.
I like Lando because he's a great driver and brings some joy and comedy to the grid. He takes his racing extremely seriously but he also provides fun to the sport when he's not driving. He's not just racing, going home and taking his father's money. He has his own Twitch and RUclips network that he built with friends. He's extremely humble and I think that's amazing with someone as young as him and as successful he has been/will be. His parent's seem like they let him be independent and only give him what he needs and he fills the rest in. Like they gave him the ability to start racing but he took that and ran with it and it became his passion. He then found Twitch and RUclips does that now and streams with his friends.
Went to millfield he’s a top bloke. Apparently he’s english teacher in my brothers class said that he would do well coz he only plays racing games. Who’s laughing now 😂😂
Lando’s a really independent driver and I get the impression that his parents aren’t very involved in his career in the sense that they’re not paying for his career. He’s earth his worth with his talent and skills.
I’d say he’s not a pay driver because yes his parents are minted and backed him all the way but its not like his dads chucking cash at McLaren for the seat, lando is a good driver who scored points, pretty sure one of the paid driver (i cant remember who) didn’t even technically have the requirements to get a super license
@@miss_rosie25 watch some older races Stroll was able to get a podium driving for Williams, and he is very consistent at race point not as checo but he is still good
Andres Perez Zepeda I think the partial hate is because he also replaced Ocon who is pretty much loved in the community which I understand and Ocon is a better driver imo
For starting F1 at 19 with a team with a fairly dominant stats ( including history ) I think that he deserves all of what he earns. He is definitely a upcoming talent Great video as always Tommo!
I think he's proved he deserves his seat. The fact that his dad's a millionaire makes him come off as a privileged person ,yes, but just a watch a few hours of his streams and you'll see that he's not the kind of guy, in fact he seems like a really sweet guy. Lando's kind of awesome.
@@tabaksmozaiekvirus1715 Stroll is looked at differently because he went straight from F3. It's not that he doesn't have talent (although lul qualifying), but since he didn't come out of F2 it screams even more that money got him to F1. If he dominated F2 and got a seat I don't think people would have really cared, or at least nowhere near as much.
@@xrREAL are not he (stroll) competing in kart in a few years also?a jump he did was when he still in f3 and straight to f1,but now he's not that bad,i mean,he score a podium in his rookie season right?(2017)
@@shafwandito4724 It was used as a "part" of the discussion not to say that is the sole piece. If you want to compare though, Verstappen was part of red bull junior program previously so it was natural if he did move up it would be to TR. They wanted to make a driver change and in their stable of drivers Max was their pick to get the call up. Stroll on the other hand was part of ferrari's driver program and then switched to Williams straight from F3. Going from F3 and being moved up in the team you've been developing for is a little different than making that kind of move from a different program. It was never really hidden that Stroll got the seat because of the money his father brought to the team. That's what made the jump more drastic.
Even for me in Karting, I race people that are on 5x the budget and they just pay their way into series' such as Formula Vee, but at a certain point in the motorsport hierarchy, team owners will look and see that "He isn't actually that good" or "He has money and can drive". Motorsport is one of the best sports to watch and to be in, but as you put at the start it has one of the biggest barriers to get to the top. Edit: Changed "I race people on 5x the budget" to "I race people that are on 5x the budget", may be causing some confusion.
Braden Clark In Indy racing Graham Rahal and Marco Andretti tried racing for other teams than their dads but weren't very good. Eventually they could only drive for family teams and haven't done very well either.
So, Lando is definitely more than just a pay driver or a talented driver. He is also an online presence, a meme who embraces the memes, a live streaming pioneer for fellow F1 drivers, and someone who is catering to the social media generation.
There is a slight difference between coming from a family comfortably being able to pay for karting - which is a very expensive hobby - and your family sponsoring or buying an F1 team for you to race in. Still, neither money nor surname can drive a car, and you do need a portion of talent and ability to do well enough to earn the licenses needed to get to the higher ranks of racing. No super license no F1 seat, basically. Yes, there are probably better drivers than Mazepin, Latifi and maybe Stroll who have lost the opportunity due to less funding, I won't disagree to that, but without their funding we might (and would in the case of Stroll) have lost teams on the grid. And that wouldn't have been nice either.
Having an independent company backing your efforts is different than daddy putting his name on the car so his son can be less of a dissapointment to the otherwise successful family.
Lando isnt a pay driver. His father does not bank role or sponsor Mclaren . His wealth did enable Lando to go karting and get into F4 nd F3 . The rest was done by Lando and his ability and Mclaren took him under their wing. How many kids who are good at golf have professional lessons paid by their dad or dads buy bmx for them and take them to competitions . Its the same just less money involved.
Not really. You might need money, but you don't have to buy your seat. Sponsors want to win so they get seen and they make more money. Your sponsor might put money into securing your seat to ensure they make their money, but the teams aren't going to take drivers who can't deliver, and sponsors aren't going to stay with drivers who can't deliver
I do feel bad for Stoffel Vandoorne. Imo Lando was a great choice, just like Carlos. But I do feel like Stoffel could have done better then he did, had he not been in the toxic enviornment with Alonso... He deserves a second chance...
No way he beat Carlos Sainz 11-10 in qualifying and Carlos is no slouch He was going to get 5th in Belgium but retired due to nothing he could help with He was also on track to other solid points hauls but pit-stops cost him It was his first season in F1 so he is inexperienced He won an I-racing IndyCar race on his debut against professional IndyCar champions He won so many junior categories And he is the Meme Lord No one is criticising Lando
For me the issue is less pay drivers and more the idea of how hard it is for a kid from a working class background (like Lewis and Ocon) to make it. The Lances, Landos and Nicoloases of the world had so much money to help them get the best of everything and participate in the best of series. As a result, they became very good drivers. That said, I do think Lando is head and shoulders above the other two. I just wonder how many of the others on the grid came from working class families (maybe Seb? but I doubt many others).
Many people call Sergio a paid driver but Sergio had to sacrifice it all at age 14 to really win his sponsors, he moved alone as a kid to Germany and had to work to live and race to prove his talent which ultimately brought him his big sponsors
@@chubskii Lance is talented too he won back-to-back junior titles including gp3 on his way to F1. You need to have enough superlicence points before anyone can even pay for you to get into F1 and you can't pay for those, you need to win something. he may not be the best qualifier but he's in race performance is good because he consistently gains places. Qualifying pace may be a good indicator of a drivers raw pace but race pace is more important because it shows more of a drivers skills, things like race craft and consistency. Races are won on Sundays not on Saturdays
Getting the podium today should help silence those doubts, having money doesn't necessarily correlate to bad driving. He has had plenty of success at other levels. Regardless super happy for Lando!
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@@zacharyreynolds1600 his mom involved in some of scandals in business/fraud (this is also the main reason why red bull junior programme dropped him besides not really good/just ok result), his father is quite rich
Thank you for making this, I hate all the shit Lance gets when in reality a handful of other drivers on the grid always have just as much money pumped in and financial help from family
Sop Cen 100%.... both are faster drivers who have worked harder for their seats... both are QUALITY DRIVERS, whereas stroll is a danger to others, is slow and only in the sport bc of his dad
Lando has proved everyone this season that he is talented and bloody quick 😂 9 races in and Podiums: 3 Front row: 1 Top 3 quails: 2 Top 5 finishes: 8 Total point streak: 14 2021 point streak: 100% (9) Points: 101 ( more than his entire 2020 stats ) Gap to teammate: 61 points Lando isn’t even far off from the total point Ferrari ( Mclaren’s rivals for 3rd) has scored so far
This is why I have massive respect for Lewis. He came from a working class background to not just get into the sport, but dominate it. That for me is the biggest achievement in F1
Pretty much the only thing that stopped me from even starting Karting when I was younger was money. But it's that money that keeps motorsport alive so I have no qualms if a talented driver pays a bit extra than others to keep racing,
it's funny this was made 3 years ago and fast forward to 2023 Lance's father bought Aston Martin to just to put Lance in the seat and people have already called it as it is. in other news is it me or the more I hear Lando speak in interviews the more I hear his dutch side come out (his mom is from Flanders)
Recent times have proved how essential to the sport pay drivers are, and that many of our favourite teams wouldn’t been in formula 1 without them. Hopefully with this budget cap coming in, in the future years we’ll see a reduction in the amount that drivers have to pay to get a seat
I had no idea Lando's father was worth that much. Still, he is Super talented and his dad doesn't own McLaren or the team... so, all good in my book. :)
Nah, Lando seems pretty sound. Seems to genuinely enjoy the sport and all that comes with. If you follow a lot of his stuff, it's pretty obvious he's in it for the love and passion. Good lad. Look forward to him, max, Albon, Leclerc and Russell all potentially battling in future. There could be very good times ahead for F1 if the regs allow.
Good call. I really look forward to 'the young guys' in the coming seasons (especially after Lewis retires) and seeing who truly shines. There is a pleasant crop of youthful talent in F1 at the moment.
Definitely rooting for Lando, Carlos and McLaren. They are some of the best drivers on the grid. Not just in terms of talent, but also in terms of sportsmanship, light-heartednes, social media presence breathes a new life into the sport that has generally been attributed to being very serious with bitter rivalries.
If lando is then he is the most talented in many years. Every driver has to have a lot of money to go through karting, formula Ford/ Renault, to f3 to F2 and finally to F1. So technically every driver is a pay driver
F in the chat for all the talents out there that never got the same chance to develop as a driver because somebody else with more money was there to take the opportunity instead.
Used to love watching F1 but never really understood it all, got back into watching it recently and love learning about everything through videos like this so thank you 😊
You're spot on, pay drivers will exist as long as there's F1 and this is not a bad thing due to teams and the sport needing funding. However, the fact that guys like Lando, Nicholas or Lance come from such wealthy backgrounds also highlights what drivers from working/middle class (Hamilton, Vettel, Ocon, Kimi) had to overcome thoughout their careers in order to reach F1
We really need to make the distinction between "drivers who paid for a chance to race with money they managed to scrap together" and "My dad is a literal billionaire oligarch and he's paid my way through every series I've ever raced in."
Tommo , you are spot on. Lando when doing a long interview said he was very grateful to his dad for supporting his early career but he never wanted to be a pay driver and wanted to be in F1 on merit and his dad didnt pay anything to Mclaren and as you say Mclaren wanted him on his obvious talent and results.
The question that nobody seems to be able to answer is: are there more talented drivers out there who are being overlooked in favour of paid drivers? *That* is the reason that fans dislike the idea of paid drivers. We want to see the best drivers in F1 cars, period.
There’s a difference between convincing sponsors/racing program of a car companies to fund your racing and get you opportunities, it’s another for your family to directly just send pallets of cash to F1 teams to help them see your “talent”
I think the pay driver aspect comes from the fact that many people who like f1 come from more humble backgrounds and like every f1 fan, we all dream of being a driver, so they might have some sort of resentment towards the money that some drivers have from family.
Fantastic video man! I ACTUALLY liked, favorited and subscribed. I truly couldn’t agree more and appreciate the reminders 1) The quality and accomplishments of the drivers and 2) what really makes Formula 1 tick, and why that’s so special. Bravo!
7:27 this picture omfg. they’re only two years apart in age but the height and appearance difference here is crazy lmaooo. puberty hit them like a truck
I never complain about pay driver, im just sad my dad doesn’t have 2 billion dollars
I'm sad because I don't have a dad and he didn't leave 2 billion dollars for me.
Jacobo Aviles fuck pay drivers because yeah while some of them like lando can race and do have talent there’s so many higher talented drivers out there that never get the chance or opportunity to prove what they’ve got because some rich C**t pays there where through to a seat or team instead.
@@cozzy4447 the sport novadays is so expensive that teams most likely chooses the driver that brings
them more money, just like perez over ocon 2018
Be sad the F1 is all about money
I’m sad I don’t have a dad
One thing I adore Kimi Raikkonen so much: he was very poor, jis family is very poor and they didn't even have an inside toilet in their house. His dad worked as a street cleaner and a taxi driver. Kimi needed to proof himself all the time he got in a car. He was always very much tested. Kimi has also silently donated to poor children's charities.
Can you imagine Hamilton doing anything silently.... Everything He does is just a pretentious Media Circus...
@@TheNecromancer6666 honestly, I'm pretty sure Hamilton does participate in smaller charities as well, but for other stuff he posts it on his social media... so what? Can't we just agree that there's nothing inherently wrong about raising awareness? Why should he not talk about it? Ya know that when a celebrity endorses a charity, that's worth a lot to the charity! Now you can criticize the way he's doing it, that's your opinion, but I don't understand how Hamilton talking about it is inherently a bad thing. Not to say Kimi is doing smth wrong either, that's just his personality, he doesn't like attention very much. They're both two different people but both do great things to help those less fortunate
@@chickenindabox3169 I get the impression he promotes himself. Not the causes he supports. I am totally agreeing with nearly All his causes, but I think he is not actually engaged in the cause Only in what publicity it gives him. But thats my impression not a fact. I only met the Man once in a business Meeting with AMG and he was very nice. But not engaging.
@@TheNecromancer6666 tbh I can definitely imagine him doing it to promote himself, but in the end it's a mutually beneficial thing, so either way no harm done (although I understand if one would personally think less of him for that). Also you met him? Do you work at AMG or how? That's mad! Sounds like you've got an awesome job
@@TheNecromancer6666 Cut him some slack, I do understand were you come from but with a following that big, promoting a cause is probably as helpful or even way more helpful than just giving money silently to such cause. But its always difficult in these times to see what's done out of which motivations.
99% of drivers in F1 are from really rich families. Even Ayrton Senna’s family were rich, but I don’t think many would have called him a “Pay Driver”...
You can't get into racing without a bit of money.
Racing is expensive. Luckily, with sim racing, getting into racing is a bit easier.
0.1% is Lewis Hamilton
@@thoughtfulthoughts4645 Who is the rest 0.9%?
@Adolfo Padilla Ureña yeah ocons family were very poor he said it in f1 dts
This is why I think Lewis Hamilton is so insanely fast. The way his dad worked to get him into go karts I think Lewis feels like he almost owes his dad 110% effort every time he steps in a car to repay the opportunity his dad gave him. That’s something most other drivers won’t have.
Ayy See that’s probably very true, when you put that into perspective. Especially through his karting career, it was almost a must that he needed to win races from such a young age so his father could earn his money back and his efforts where worth it all.
Thanked him by sacking him.
Other drivers had to work hard for their carreer, too. Ocon, Vettel etc..
@@Unclemart99 what? Pls dont spread hoax
@@tankpenguin175 yes
Well he’s a bloody good pay driver if he is one
A bit like Perez I'd say
A bit better than Perez imo
@@ado6520 no where near lmao
AD O6 casual or new....
yo yo as a prospect he will be better than Perez one day
The difference between Lando and pay drivers such as Stroll, Latifi and Mazepin is that whilst Landos dad payed for him to get coached and get into karting, it was his talent that got him to his seat. Whereas for the others, there dads just directly payed for there seats.
Heck stroll bought a whole team… sheez
I wouldn’t call a Stroll PayDriver .
He has proved himself . He may not be a Lando/Leclerc/Russel/Hamilton but he sure does deserve his seat in F1.
It takes more than just money to win several podiums , Qualify top 3 multiple times .
Sometimes I just feel ppl hate him for being rich . That’s just the nature of human . Hate anyone whose more privileged.
@@mrdude9671 racing point literally copied 2019 merc in 2020 thats why he was so good in 2020
@@overlystupid4403 2017 Williams.
@@overlystupid4403 2017 williams
its ironic how this sport started from the elite people who could afford such expensive cars but the fans now hate such rich and paid drivers
That is a true irony. I'll admit, my outlook on it was changed after watching this. It makes sense and I know money makes the system work. You just always want to cheer for the underdog.
I don't think people so much hate pay drivers but rather *bad* pay drivers. You can buy yourself a seat all you want but if you're a no show in it and there's a whole paddock of F2 drivers way more worthy of it than you, and with less financial backing than yourself, that's when people start to be against you.
It's kind of like kids of famous actors giving acting a go. Yeah alright your dad bought you a career and your first appearance is a blockbuster but if you're no good then no one wants to watch you.
It’s always been a game of boys with toys. I can imagine most of this is just being envious because a 17 year old is making millions while already growing up crazy rich. It does seem unfair, but to be honest it has been like that in F1 always. Instead of being mad about it people should be more focused on being able to afford to get their own son through a karting and into a F1 career.
If he hadn’t proven himself to everyone before, the first 2 races of 2021 certainly showed that he’s got it
And now in Austria
@@man3935 I think his performance this weekend will finally shut up a lot of his critics, amazing drive from him
And the fact he's been the most consistent driver this year
Now in monza
And now pole in sochi
if he’s a pay driver, he hell deserves having that seat
Tommo F1 he is as his daddy is rich, but Lando has tremendous talent like your examples niki and checo
I think a "pay driver" is someone who doesn't really deserve to be in the seat and wouldn't have got the seat without the money and aren't /weren't good enough to get the seat on their own like stroll. But people like Lauda, Norris and Perez would've got a seat without most of their money
Tommo F1 i actually don’t think he’s a pay driver, taking aside his talent -which he obviously has as we’ve seen- i’m of the idea he had some help in climbing the f1 mountain, he started very young with races which i suppose is kinda common between drivers at this time and obviously money did much of the work at first. talking about how much he brings to the sport, as you said about some other pay drivers, i think his sponsors bring but not that much. i’m going off topic right now but i think he brings a younger fanbase, so he’s ‘helping’ without money, i just wanted to add this thought of mine lmao.
So does most pay drivers
Damian Chua isn’t a pay driver someone who instead of getting a salary pay the team. I doubt lando pays mclaren for the seat
7:26 I'm so confused by that image of Verstappen and Norris, they look 10 years apart.
I am convinced that it’s fake. It has to be. 2 years does not make that drastic a difference.
@@jordishima well yes it does ;)
2 years at that age makes a lot of difference. I just checked their respective height.
Max is now 10 cm taller than Lando.
When this photo was taken, Lando was 13 and Max 15 years old. It's not so surprising that Max is a "head" taller than Lando.
Don't know how you remember yourself at that age, but in a very short period of time, you grow up very fast.
And you can see at Max's head that he's starting to become a teenager and you can even "see" the acne coming out ^^
Lando just didn't grow until he was like 15, in other pictures you can see he's also a lot shorter than other people his age at that time. And he was also still growing a bit when he started in f1, he's just a bit of a late bloomer.
The picture I'm reffering to was in his karting days where he's standing next to Max Fewtrell (who is the same age as him) and he is a good head shorter, but now he is slightly taller than Max, so it all evened out.
He’s probably going to see this vid
Yes he's probably gonna see it in one of his streams.
Oh is this his burner account???👀
Every F1 driver will lol
I like opinions . He would be seeing good
he's probably going to see this comment
Lando was a top driver at every level. He outshined the other drivers (he has so many karting titles, and in cars, blowing out whoever was in second place). It's not like Mazepin, who barely cracked the top 4 in his championships and still got promoted to the next levels. Lando earned his seat in every single championship he has raced in. Yeah, he had the financial backing, but other drivers get this financial backing through sponsors anyways.
I like Lando because he's a great driver and brings some joy and comedy to the grid. He takes his racing extremely seriously but he also provides fun to the sport when he's not driving. He's not just racing, going home and taking his father's money. He has his own Twitch and RUclips network that he built with friends. He's extremely humble and I think that's amazing with someone as young as him and as successful he has been/will be. His parent's seem like they let him be independent and only give him what he needs and he fills the rest in. Like they gave him the ability to start racing but he took that and ran with it and it became his passion. He then found Twitch and RUclips does that now and streams with his friends.
Lando went to my school and my brother was in his class for 3 years. Apparently all he did was play real racing
Went to millfield he’s a top bloke. Apparently he’s english teacher in my brothers class said that he would do well coz he only plays racing games. Who’s laughing now 😂😂
Huge fan by the way edit your videos so well. Love your videos. Learnt a lot from your channel
I meant *wouldn’t*
Real Racing is a banging game, I played it all the way through high school
@@justadummy8076 real racing 3 bwoah
Lando’s a really independent driver and I get the impression that his parents aren’t very involved in his career in the sense that they’re not paying for his career. He’s earth his worth with his talent and skills.
I imagine that when lando was young his parents helped with his karting dreams
I’d say he’s not a pay driver because yes his parents are minted and backed him all the way but its not like his dads chucking cash at McLaren for the seat, lando is a good driver who scored points, pretty sure one of the paid driver (i cant remember who) didn’t even technically have the requirements to get a super license
I think the driver you’re thinking of is stroll
@@miss_rosie25 Lance has a podium in F1/ front grid start
@@miss_rosie25 watch some older races Stroll was able to get a podium driving for Williams, and he is very consistent at race point not as checo but he is still good
Andres Perez Zepeda I think the partial hate is because he also replaced Ocon who is pretty much loved in the community which I understand and Ocon is a better driver imo
@@andresperezzepeda1990 watch f2 mate. You'll see most of them are better than stroll
who's here after lando got his first podium
Actually me pal
same
He is doing pretty good (only 2 races into the season) and i hope he keeps this form
Me
Yes boisssss mister landolastlap
For starting F1 at 19 with a team with a fairly dominant stats ( including history ) I think that he deserves all of what he earns. He is definitely a upcoming talent
Great video as always Tommo!
I think he's proved he deserves his seat. The fact that his dad's a millionaire makes him come off as a privileged person ,yes, but just a watch a few hours of his streams and you'll see that he's not the kind of guy, in fact he seems like a really sweet guy. Lando's kind of awesome.
before I watched: Kind of. I know just how much his father is worth, his junior career was all paid for, but talent got him to the top for sure.
Same for stroll tbh
@@tabaksmozaiekvirus1715 Stroll is looked at differently because he went straight from F3. It's not that he doesn't have talent (although lul qualifying), but since he didn't come out of F2 it screams even more that money got him to F1. If he dominated F2 and got a seat I don't think people would have really cared, or at least nowhere near as much.
@@xrREAL are not he (stroll) competing in kart in a few years also?a jump he did was when he still in f3 and straight to f1,but now he's not that bad,i mean,he score a podium in his rookie season right?(2017)
@@xrREAL same as Verstappen if you use that logic. Verstappen got picked up straight from F3 by Redbull too without much waiting
@@shafwandito4724 It was used as a "part" of the discussion not to say that is the sole piece. If you want to compare though, Verstappen was part of red bull junior program previously so it was natural if he did move up it would be to TR. They wanted to make a driver change and in their stable of drivers Max was their pick to get the call up. Stroll on the other hand was part of ferrari's driver program and then switched to Williams straight from F3. Going from F3 and being moved up in the team you've been developing for is a little different than making that kind of move from a different program. It was never really hidden that Stroll got the seat because of the money his father brought to the team. That's what made the jump more drastic.
The hard truth is that you can’t get into this sport without your parents being pretty rich.
It's just the truth. I don't know what it has to be bracketed with negativity.
@@default123default2 yeah it's like complaining that not everyone can own a Pagani
Getting sponsors from your home country is not far off the same thing
I mean kimi and alonso did
hamilton? ocon?
Even for me in Karting, I race people that are on 5x the budget and they just pay their way into series' such as Formula Vee, but at a certain point in the motorsport hierarchy, team owners will look and see that "He isn't actually that good" or "He has money and can drive". Motorsport is one of the best sports to watch and to be in, but as you put at the start it has one of the biggest barriers to get to the top.
Edit: Changed "I race people on 5x the budget" to "I race people that are on 5x the budget", may be causing some confusion.
@@TommoMcCluskey No worries bro
Unless he buys the team
Or saves the teams ass financial like Latifi and stroll did for Williams
Hope to see u in a few years then
Braden Clark
In Indy racing Graham Rahal and Marco Andretti tried racing for other teams than their dads but weren't very good.
Eventually they could only drive for family teams and haven't done very well either.
So, Lando is definitely more than just a pay driver or a talented driver.
He is also an online presence, a meme who embraces the memes, a live streaming pioneer for fellow F1 drivers, and someone who is catering to the social media generation.
Money can’t buy talent, so, although lando may have a rich dad, he’s still one hell of a driver
You cant argue thought, that money gets your foot in the door so you can demonstrate your talent.
Also u got to have some talent/potential for a major team to put u in their development program
There is a slight difference between coming from a family comfortably being able to pay for karting - which is a very expensive hobby - and your family sponsoring or buying an F1 team for you to race in. Still, neither money nor surname can drive a car, and you do need a portion of talent and ability to do well enough to earn the licenses needed to get to the higher ranks of racing. No super license no F1 seat, basically.
Yes, there are probably better drivers than Mazepin, Latifi and maybe Stroll who have lost the opportunity due to less funding, I won't disagree to that, but without their funding we might (and would in the case of Stroll) have lost teams on the grid. And that wouldn't have been nice either.
@@iamrocketray Exactly right!!!
@@jxswu3224 Entering their academies usually costs money...
Having an independent company backing your efforts is different than daddy putting his name on the car so his son can be less of a dissapointment to the otherwise successful family.
Adam Norris: *worth £250 million*
Tommo: he's doing alright
Me: feeling solid by being able to buy a can of pringles 😂😂
ME
Retired by 36 years old. What a life.
For real, it’s all about perspective
@@hifriend7581 He won the lottery. Just in a different kind of way. If you think you can retire at 36 on hard work and discipline , you'd be mistaken
Lando isnt a pay driver. His father does not bank role or sponsor Mclaren . His wealth did enable Lando to go karting and get into F4 nd F3 . The rest was done by Lando and his ability and Mclaren took him under their wing. How many kids who are good at golf have professional lessons paid by their dad or dads buy bmx for them and take them to competitions . Its the same just less money involved.
The thing is For every Lauda and Schumacher there’s like 15 Ericcson, Sirotkin Haryantos and so on
Lauda paid so much money to be in F1 he nearly bankrupted his whole family, fortunately it paid off :-)
Legit in order to be an F1 driver, you technically have a to be a pay driver
True
I mean Lewis Hamilton basically got in through connections
@@scarts777 Lewis is the exception not the rule
Not really. You might need money, but you don't have to buy your seat. Sponsors want to win so they get seen and they make more money. Your sponsor might put money into securing your seat to ensure they make their money, but the teams aren't going to take drivers who can't deliver, and sponsors aren't going to stay with drivers who can't deliver
@@StaySqueezy12 nah.
Almost a year later and this video is now completely redundant. Lando really showed everyone that he deserves to be on the grid more than most.
He's a breath of fresh air to McLaren, even if he's a pay driver
True. McLaren needed someone like him after the fairly toxic time they had with Honda and Fernando.
I do feel bad for Stoffel Vandoorne. Imo Lando was a great choice, just like Carlos. But I do feel like Stoffel could have done better then he did, had he not been in the toxic enviornment with Alonso... He deserves a second chance...
I thought lando was a twitch streamer until I watch this vid, thank you tommo
bruh what
No way he beat Carlos Sainz 11-10 in qualifying and Carlos is no slouch
He was going to get 5th in Belgium but retired due to nothing he could help with
He was also on track to other solid points hauls but pit-stops cost him
It was his first season in F1 so he is inexperienced
He won an I-racing IndyCar race on his debut against professional IndyCar champions
He won so many junior categories
And he is the Meme Lord
No one is criticising Lando
"meme lord" nice joke.
Lando only has to improve in races, he is so fast in qualy.
@@kioco_ab he isnt "so fast" he is the same level as his teammate.
Álvarob He was running P5 in Belgium before his engine let go
@@Samylton yep, but the points say that Lando has to improve his skills a bit, for a rookie it was a good season.
Unpopular opinion
Stroll is actually a pretty good driver
Its popular
I mean, stroll is actually pretty good. He might have a bit of rough start, but he's been improving for the last few years.
I'd say he's like, maybe on the high-end of average... Pretty reliable second driver but definitely not World Champion material.
he just have problem with consistency, but his pace is pretty on point
He's decent, great one day but sub-par the next
If he is a pay driver he's definitely the best one
No Perez is
fernando was a pay driver initially lmao
Perez for now, maybe if he lives up to his potential though
@@echx1346 so was Michael Schumacher
Got to be Sergio Perez
For me the issue is less pay drivers and more the idea of how hard it is for a kid from a working class background (like Lewis and Ocon) to make it. The Lances, Landos and Nicoloases of the world had so much money to help them get the best of everything and participate in the best of series. As a result, they became very good drivers. That said, I do think Lando is head and shoulders above the other two. I just wonder how many of the others on the grid came from working class families (maybe Seb? but I doubt many others).
I'll watch Landon watching this in one of his streams
Many people call Sergio a paid driver but Sergio had to sacrifice it all at age 14 to really win his sponsors, he moved alone as a kid to Germany and had to work to live and race to prove his talent which ultimately brought him his big sponsors
4:13 "and minamino... eh he was good at Leipzig" lmao
@@TommoMcCluskey Just like in F1 ....too many Red Bull sponsored teams :P
4:15 he played for Salzburg not Leipzig.
If he’s a pay driver he’s a talented one
Rhyatism better than lance
@@chubskii Lance is talented too he won back-to-back junior titles including gp3 on his way to F1. You need to have enough superlicence points before anyone can even pay for you to get into F1 and you can't pay for those, you need to win something. he may not be the best qualifier but he's in race performance is good because he consistently gains places. Qualifying pace may be a good indicator of a drivers raw pace but race pace is more important because it shows more of a drivers skills, things like race craft and consistency. Races are won on Sundays not on Saturdays
@@ashtonthegamer6033 well, at least he get p3 in quali yesterday
@@ashtonthegamer6033 now lance got a podium again
Getting the podium today should help silence those doubts, having money doesn't necessarily correlate to bad driving. He has had plenty of success at other levels. Regardless super happy for Lando!
Minamino came from Salzburg, not Leipzig. But I get the confusion between the 2 RB teams! 😀
They are all the fucking same literally no identity 😂😂😂
@@cloudstrife7566 lol Toro Rosso before they had to start making their own cars 🤣🤣🤣
They are the same 😒
Rosco Dodger there are not just 2 RB Teams, their is one in the US and one in Brazil. But yeah they dont have any identity
Simple, just say leipzig is redbull version for football, meanwhile salzburg is torro rosso for football😅
Lists “Big teams”. Ferrari: Am i a joke to you
Cameron Tilley deadass
Actually now lmao
🤣
Ferrari the leading name in tractors pride of the fields
I think Lando showed a great amount of skill in his early karting days, and so his dad obviously was willing to pay for it.
6:04 Well I was not expecting to see myself here 😂😂. Just started watching your content and was rather surprised but delighted when me and my gokart randomly appeared in one of your vids! I’ve been binging all your content and it’s all excellent so keep up the good work! Edit: I’m the number 118 Kart
There’s not been a single season of F1 without a pay driver
But the rose tinted brigade will refuse to see that.
Roman Baranovichi hell Lauda and Hunt paid for their seats
Playing devils advocate and asking to find out how did Albon get into the sport?
Zachary Reynolds red bull were desperate
@@zacharyreynolds1600 his mom involved in some of scandals in business/fraud (this is also the main reason why red bull junior programme dropped him besides not really good/just ok result), his father is quite rich
@@zacharyreynolds1600 also he got baking from thailand iirc, that is the reason why he race under thailand flag instead of uk
Who’s here after Lando got a podium in Imola and Monaco? He’s really strong right now.
Thank you for making this, I hate all the shit Lance gets when in reality a handful of other drivers on the grid always have just as much money pumped in and financial help from family
Lance doesn’t deserve his seat
@@louis-tj2pq So would you give that seat to Grosjean or Hulkenberg instead?
Sop Cen 100%.... both are faster drivers who have worked harder for their seats... both are QUALITY DRIVERS, whereas stroll is a danger to others, is slow and only in the sport bc of his dad
@@louis-tj2pq did you even watch the video?
chaleur yes
The fact that this idea was entertained a year ago, and see where Lando is now is astounding
Loving the consistent uploads, thanks Tommo
Lando has proved everyone this season that he is talented and bloody quick 😂
9 races in and
Podiums: 3
Front row: 1
Top 3 quails: 2
Top 5 finishes: 8
Total point streak: 14
2021 point streak: 100% (9)
Points: 101 ( more than his entire 2020 stats )
Gap to teammate: 61 points
Lando isn’t even far off from the total point Ferrari ( Mclaren’s rivals for 3rd) has scored so far
damn, this aged well....cheers
One driver who didn't really have a rich Dad and is there on purely merit is Lews Hamilton.
Ocon?
Seb?
Danni Ricc, and being from Australia even harder to get sponsors
Raikkonen ? Alonso ? Vettel ? Their dads were even 'poorer' than Ham's.
Ash GAMING I was gonna say “Ocon’s family is definitely not rich, not poor, but not far from it”
This is why I have massive respect for Lewis. He came from a working class background to not just get into the sport, but dominate it. That for me is the biggest achievement in F1
Well let's be honest if we had billions we would take the seat in F1 😂😂
Great video, mate! 🏎
Holy crap he nearly has 40k
That's more subs than man city fans
Tommo F1 i subbed at 8-10k I think, you’ve grown in a blink of an eye. Jeebus
@@TommoMcCluskey 70k now
Would be cool to see a vid on how drivers get sponsors in the first place.
Lovely content as always mate.
Pretty much the only thing that stopped me from even starting Karting when I was younger was money. But it's that money that keeps motorsport alive so I have no qualms if a talented driver pays a bit extra than others to keep racing,
It’s very different when it’s your family’s money as opposed to Checo who had to be one of the most talented in Mexico to attract Slim’s money.
The thing with Stroll is I think he came into F1 too early, could have done with a year or two more in the feeder series
Yes in junior racing he had talent, and even ferrari backing
he had a strong junior career and could've developed and flourished had he climbed the ranks, not everyone can be max verstappen
hes the only pay driver on the grid, i dont hate as much. latifi and mazepin aint shit
These are the best videos on F1 on RUclips. Hands down. As Mr. Skinner says you're "serving the aces and it's game, set, match".
it's funny this was made 3 years ago and fast forward to 2023 Lance's father bought Aston Martin to just to put Lance in the seat and people have already called it as it is.
in other news is it me or the more I hear Lando speak in interviews the more I hear his dutch side come out (his mom is from Flanders)
Recent times have proved how essential to the sport pay drivers are, and that many of our favourite teams wouldn’t been in formula 1 without them. Hopefully with this budget cap coming in, in the future years we’ll see a reduction in the amount that drivers have to pay to get a seat
Would really like to see Lando in a great F1 car, to see how he compares to the top guys
I had no idea Lando's father was worth that much. Still, he is Super talented and his dad doesn't own McLaren or the team... so, all good in my book. :)
4:15 At Leipzig he was killin it! *Shows him in his actual clubs shirt, Salzburg*
Nah, Lando seems pretty sound. Seems to genuinely enjoy the sport and all that comes with. If you follow a lot of his stuff, it's pretty obvious he's in it for the love and passion. Good lad. Look forward to him, max, Albon, Leclerc and Russell all potentially battling in future. There could be very good times ahead for F1 if the regs allow.
Good call. I really look forward to 'the young guys' in the coming seasons (especially after Lewis retires) and seeing who truly shines. There is a pleasant crop of youthful talent in F1 at the moment.
Here after his first pole position.
Mate your content is great. Great and plain design, good knowledge from your side and just overall good stuff. Keep it up pal
I am from the future :
Lando won podium Austria 2020
I am further into the future
He took his second podium
He scored p3 in Monaco
Just want say great content videos only getting better and live seeing your channel grow great job :)
Definitely rooting for Lando, Carlos and McLaren. They are some of the best drivers on the grid. Not just in terms of talent, but also in terms of sportsmanship, light-heartednes, social media presence breathes a new life into the sport that has generally been attributed to being very serious with bitter rivalries.
Jabid21 excited to see ricciardo and lando on the same team, meanwhile sainz signs 5 years with midfield Ferrari
If lando is then he is the most talented in many years. Every driver has to have a lot of money to go through karting, formula Ford/ Renault, to f3 to F2 and finally to F1. So technically every driver is a pay driver
dude even if he is one he didn't have to buy a team and damn he is a good driver
F in the chat for all the talents out there that never got the same chance to develop as a driver because somebody else with more money was there to take the opportunity instead.
Used to love watching F1 but never really understood it all, got back into watching it recently and love learning about everything through videos like this so thank you 😊
You're spot on, pay drivers will exist as long as there's F1 and this is not a bad thing due to teams and the sport needing funding. However, the fact that guys like Lando, Nicholas or Lance come from such wealthy backgrounds also highlights what drivers from working/middle class (Hamilton, Vettel, Ocon, Kimi) had to overcome thoughout their careers in order to reach F1
Stories like these makes me appreciate the likes of Raikkonen, Hamilton and Alonso even more!!!
Ocon too
We really need to make the distinction between "drivers who paid for a chance to race with money they managed to scrap together" and "My dad is a literal billionaire oligarch and he's paid my way through every series I've ever raced in."
Another thing is that F1 started from pay drivers back in the 1950s
Tommo , you are spot on. Lando when doing a long interview said he was very grateful to his dad for supporting his early career but he never wanted to be a pay driver and wanted to be in F1 on merit and his dad didnt pay anything to Mclaren and as you say Mclaren wanted him on his obvious talent and results.
Stroll is an f3 champion and managed to put Williams on a podium I rate lance and his talent
The question that nobody seems to be able to answer is: are there more talented drivers out there who are being overlooked in favour of paid drivers? *That* is the reason that fans dislike the idea of paid drivers. We want to see the best drivers in F1 cars, period.
I like how people still call Lance a pay driver when he is the only one on the grid to this day to get a podium in a Williams
Not anymore, up there with Georgie boy, really happy for them both, nice to see tommo on the bright side with his analysis on this one
I wanted to hate on you after reading the title of this video, but you’ve completely changed my perspective. Hats off pal.
I clicked on this as fast as ever
There’s a difference between convincing sponsors/racing program of a car companies to fund your racing and get you opportunities, it’s another for your family to directly just send pallets of cash to F1 teams to help them see your “talent”
this aged well 👀
I think the pay driver aspect comes from the fact that many people who like f1 come from more humble backgrounds and like every f1 fan, we all dream of being a driver, so they might have some sort of resentment towards the money that some drivers have from family.
This aged well
It did age well, he never discounted his skills
Fantastic video man! I ACTUALLY liked, favorited and subscribed. I truly couldn’t agree more and appreciate the reminders 1) The quality and accomplishments of the drivers and 2) what really makes Formula 1 tick, and why that’s so special. Bravo!
Now he is called mr consistent
Tom, keep with this mate - top quality vids and a career in this for sure!
Who’s here after Lando got his second podium ?
7:27 this picture omfg. they’re only two years apart in age but the height and appearance difference here is crazy lmaooo. puberty hit them like a truck
You know he’s gonna drop a sarcastic comment the moment the camera zooms on his face and he amplifies his English accent. Btw, I love your vids!!!!!!
Yeah I love his editing trademarks lol
Tommo F1 Holy shit! Thanks for replying, made my day :’). I sincerely hope that you’re safe and well in these tough times.
Really good video, awesome graphics & explanations. Learnt a lot & enjoyed!
almost all drivers had a rich family, forget worrying about "pay drivers" and shine light on drivers who came from zero like hamilton
Really enjoying the content @tommof1
Still not sold on Stroll as a talent in F1, but you've given me a new perspective on his abilities.
He is crap
I'm going to be honest, even if landos dad paid his way through f1 he is an amazing driver