Andrew Yang & Bill Maher talk UBI, third parties, & presidential politics
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- Опубликовано: 20 мар 2023
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"we have Primordial brains, Medieval institutions, Godlike technology "
Very accurate!
I don't even want to think about the old leaders running our government!
Really? God like technology? 😂 Yeah ok 👌 We can't heal people from literal books full of diseases, repair extensive physical damage, replace most bodily organs, solve world hunger, etc, etc. I could go on and on writing a novel about how much we can't do. How is that God like?
@@orilion1820 We can. It's just the medieval institutions that hold back that technology because, well, money. It's more profitable to sell medicines than it is to cure a disease. Technology goes where the money is. It is Godlike. Look at your phone. It's magic to someone a hundred years ago. And if having a replacement organ was as profitable as a new phone every year, you can be sure we'd have replacement organ technology right now.
A recipe for nuclear war, Armageddon, end of the world !!
@@orilion1820 Nuclear weapons.
Elisa totally missing the point. We are not going to find 538 heros that will do what she says, including her if she got elected!
Nor is there enough time to find enough of them
She wanted everyone to know the Democratic party was the correct party. I typically lean left, but I don't think the Democratic party is the correct party.
@@terrillmel Yes she's afraid a 3rd party will put her out of a job by holding the 2 oldest parties accountable through competition.
@@reeseville1 mmmm
Yes, there are a couple heroes, and a bunch of do nothings that do what the party tells them to do while everyone refuses to call out any of the actually bad people on their own side.
Hearing his voice again after 2 years reminds me during the Yang Gang era. I really wanted him to run again. We need someone who will address social issues at the ground level.
Exactly
Exactly
All the old people crusade against UBI. They have no problem with us sending billions to other countries every year, not even counting the war, but God forbid we help our own people.
same i will do more than i did last time to get his name out and i did a lot back then
Look up creative society! there is a new person running independently
Still Yang Gang 4 life
Oh yes
Me too we need to do petitions for UBI in every city to get it on a ballot and so Yang could be supported more!
yup. I'm not even from the US and I find his lack of focus on being rewarded with brown points for demonizing the "other side" refreshing.
I like how he went to get fresh data and built a program on that (UBI) while the rest were just actors cosplaying the same play we've seen a million times.
It's a cult.
@@borisyelp5195 no, it's just that some people think the money should go to the people, helping everybody, especially the ones in need instead of the usual corrupt politicians like pelosi/bernie/mcconnel/jordan spending the money based on the ionput of k-street, their campaign managers and the stocks they own. You really need to be in a cult to oppose him.
Elissa proves Andrew Yang's point with her own argument.
Isn't that what all Democrats do?
What she is saying: "Let's not change anything. Let's just try harder and be braver with our present system, so we can get a better result."
@@kamra99a she's really saying: "my career is what matters to me and nothing else"
He is so logical in his approach this is why he was the first candidate (or politician) that I've ever donated money to cause he is going after real problems with simple solutions
Same here. Problem is most people aren't concerned with principles, facts, or logic for the majority of their decision making. Most people have no interest in effectuating change in their environment in much the same way we ignore the fact of getting older. Change happens TO people and then they learn to cope or incorporate cognitive bias to deny reality. Yang's approach pleases thinkers and operators but does a garbage job appealing to base emotions. It frustrates and saddens me. He has no ideology to capture people's hearts. He could be a quality figurehead for classical liberalism. He could stir a call to action by emphasizing traditional family values as a key cornerstone of society and lean on the wildly popular child tax credit as a carrot to get people to the polls. I hate the uniparty too but I just don't see how explaining that the parties are bad for democracy will lead to the dissolution of their power.
He literally sidestepped the UBI question twice in this interview. He says a lot of words without saying anything at all. He's young and charismatic... Aka another Obama statesman
Same!!!!!
@@LegalAutomation No he didn't, Bill referenced UBI twice, but he never asked Andrew anything directly about UBI.
Have fun wasting your money donating to him like you and I did last year He doesn’t care about becoming president if you think he didn’t pocket almost all of the donations he raised your the dummy he’s counting on
I really like Andrew Yang, his logic is pretty amazing, hopefully he will run again and maybe have a shot
Yang, if you read these comments, to help get your point across better, remember that people don't actually know much about most things. Try stating that changing incentives is what will change the system at its core. When most people hear the word incentives, to them it's a side process, a payoff, something that helps people on the fence. It's not realized that it can mean a systematic driver of behavior.
Get out there *ANDREW* and do what you do best, educate everyone how our system is inefficient, and get some more solutions out there for everyone to talk about.
We need universal health care/ with an etiológico, holistic focus. Medicare sucks. Why everyone needs a supplemental and still pay out of pocket for multiple premiums and pay out of pocket when prescribed meds aren’t covered. I had 3 insurances and none of them covered inhalers?! (350-500 a month) US has the worst health outcomes and we’re not paying for results (diagnosis and remedy). We’re paying for expensive premiums and services that can bankrupt you, meanwhile. You’re still sick. Best possible outcomes 🙏✨💕
Very True
Exactly! Me too we need to do petitions for UBI in every city to get it on a ballot and so Yang could be supported more!
He did. I donated a lot and still have a sick Yang tshirt lol. Problem is he got absolutely dismantled because the base of both parties want's sound bites and culture wars.
What do they find so hard to get?
Why is she still talking about third party allowing extremism when the whole point is to get rid of the spoiler effect which allows that?
Bill, on the other hand, seems to just be interested in Andrew taking controversial points, so that he can get his headlines and clickbait. A politician taking a reasonable approach and rooting for America and democracy is just so unthinkable to him that he's just not getting it. The questions he asks: "Why do you care about the Democratic Primary if you're not a Democrat anymore?"; what a dumb question. Well, Bill why do you do long segments on Trump and the Republican Party then?
I think it's pretty clear that this is a partisan exercise to stomp down on the new party before it grows even bigger. If you're paying attention, you'll notice that most of the attacks are coming from the Democratic Party and their affiliates (e.g. MSNBC). Yang called out the way the Democratic Party benefited from the two party system, and exploited the two party system, by supporting extremist Republicans over moderate ones. They are really showing their true colors. I'm supportive of President Biden, but I'm really starting to sour on the Democratic Party.
Yang is right, we need more choices, and while I support President Biden, I agree with Yang that the Democrats should settle their uncertain succession, and I agree that Gov. Whitmer is a strong contender. Real people are worried about the future of America and American Democracy, while Democrats are worried about the future of their own party and power. We need to change the system.
Andrew needs to say more plainly that only a third party can advance a change in the system because otherwise it will be perceived as a partisan issue to benefit one side. And from there, many parties will be possible, requiring cooperation and compromise that can move things forward.
indeed
Exactly! Me too we need to do petitions for UBI in every city to get it on a ballot and so Yang could be supported more!
Because there is no genuine election process. All you are voting on is which corrupt rich ahole sits in the chair.
Sam Altman (cofounder of Open A.I.) is wrapping up a major study on UBI and stated that it will be needed. Yang Gang 2024!
YangGang = Civil, humanitarian, love.
Love baby.. humanity first
and 1st .. UBI.. where is it now ?
America lost a great opportunity to become a sane nation when the existing political system prevented Andrew Yang from becoming the president last time.
Love yang🫶🏾 yang gang 4life
I am so happy to see you back in front of a camera. Such a breath of fresh air!
UBI all the way baby!!! It's the beginning of great beginnings!
Meanwhile Paulin -and others- say never vote third party.
Yang gang!
yang gang
Yanggang all the way
I'm still YangGang. Yang continues to be right. Respect.
Biden should have made Andrew a Cabinet Minister, it was a big mistake he didn't and in fairness, Andrew deserved the opportunity given his performance in the Presidential primary. I love Andrew Yang, he's a decent human being and his ideas need a hearing, but I'm not sure about the third party.
It’s better this way anyway. Andrew is spreading RCV under the radar.
Yang was offered a position but he declined.
@@lukeaustin4465 that’s false. Biden was keen on putting Andrew in a position but they stopped negotiations before he was shortlisted on anything.
Disagree.
Andrew as a free agent will do way more good than not.
Unless he become NYC mayor.
Yang was offered a position - he rejected it in order to pursue the NYC Mayoral Race.
Something else I'd like to bring up is that with our current 2 party system, it thrives on competition, which in turn is hurting us, not helping us. We need a party that's focused on unification and in turn, allows for us to make society BETTER for all.
indeed
Yep!
I don't know that "competition" is the right word. It thrives on divisiveness and using wedge issues to distract people from real socio-economic problems that both parties refuse to fix due to someone lining their pockets. They thrive on a lack of real competition by creating processes that push everyone to play into their false 2 choice system.
@@Xckel13 cooperation is better than competition
@@Xckel13 With cooperation, you work together to create the greatest thing amongst all individuals, competition forces worse outcomes just to one up the other person. Think about this, if microsoft, apple, and linux were one entity, taking the overall openess and customization of windows, the creative and easy interface of macOS, and the security of Linux, we'd get the greatest operating system of all time instead of three decent, yet subpar OSs who try to outdo each other while ignoring the strengths of each one.
Yang plays too nice. Politics is getting filled with fascists.. time to take the gloves off
yeah, he's letting them push him around. He needs to call them out on their hypocrisy for audiences to pay attention or they will just write him off.
Yup.
Totally agree. He (we) could have won 2020 if Andrew was willing to throw some knock out punches at the debates. Rather than starting out so many of his responses with "I agree in principle".. he could have started out a few times with "that makes no sense in today's economy and let me tell you why." This one little switch would have gotten him so much more speaking time, given the YangGang so much more energy and generated so much more support.
We did win Mr. Congeniality but much to my dismay and heartache, lost the race.
I agree, but I'm one of the most aggressive YGer. You need to make space before you can build and therefore, the fake progressives need to be pushed out... "and don't forget your fake socialist propaganda on your way out, Bernie and Bimbo Guevarra!"
As someone from Scotland we used to really look up to the US, like a big brother, now it's as if big brother started smoking crack. I have to say I'm glad the US has someone like Andrew Yang who speaks sense. Just wish he got more exposure.
I agree!
I want him to run again
So she's basically saying to save Democracy we must ensure only one party ever wins!
We will never have a third party until we change our voting system to something like ranked choice voting.
Good to see you out there trudging into the jungle of biased mass media again Andrew-keep it up; you'll get through to more in the silent majority with persistence
But might I also add: please don't forget the avenue of podcasts, which has worked so well for you in the past. I personally watch your Forward-focused podcast. But more specifically, being a guest on others' podcasts is what really propelled your 2020 run initially. You certainly have the ability (with your name recognition) to reach a wider audience with less time going with "major media" appearances. But in order to move beyond the previous message of UBI and your other commonsense policies and towards spreading the ideas around Forward, I think you need to do the hard work and start at the "bottom" again by participating in more longform discussions. That way you can re-form another grassroots movement to propel your ideas to a place that again can no longer be ignored or ridiculed by media pundits. Well, they will still try-but you'll again have the people behind you fighting for our shared ideals of a better civilization.
I just can't understand anyone who continues to support the 2 party system. We've been doing it for how long and it's gotten how much better? Looks like 0 to me.
350mill+ Americans do not comfortably fit into just 2 ideological ideas/parties...
Agreed
The founding fathers were even afraid of a two party system. They knew people would tend to be loyal to party and not country. It's sad that most don't understand how government operates. Really need to take a Political Science course to get a good grasp of how governments operate in other Democratic countries. Our system is flawed if two parties dominate. Thing that makes it worse is we constantly go from one party to the other and back. Which allows nothing to ever get accomplished, because it takes years to implement policies.
😂😂
The one thing both parties have done in a bipartisan manner is to make sure campaign finance and ballot laws make it nearly impossible for a 3rd party to compete. This doesnt even address the media bias issues that will be even more difficult to overcome.
We can end up like Italy and have multiple parties and never get anything done which is actually the best government
What an excellent, smart discussion. Thank you Bill Maher and panelists.
Yang had the perfect opportunity to talk about Ranked Choice Voting as it would have answered the major questions in one blow. RCV is one of the FWD party's big talking points.
Mayer and Slotkin couldn't get ranked choice voting and plurality representation to save their lives.
the issue with not doing ubi is that if people continue to work fulltime without the companies giving back to the workers sufficiently no one will feel secure enough to have children in the future, people can barely think straight these days as it is, our phones have too much information and we're also having to go through life. We're producing a generation of terrible voters and decision makers.
"So, you're for good things and against bad?"
"Yup."
Shock and awe ensues
Yang gang 💙
The way this guy talk's, makes me want to vote for him.
She seems nieve
no, it's in her interest to shoot down on the idea because having a competitive election is not in her interest. She's an incumbent Representative, and is pretty much getting shoehorned into a Senate seat. If RCV passes statewide, she'll have to actually appeal to the voters instead of just the party leaders
Perhaps. But I bet she knows how to spell "naive".
Yang you broke my heart
He is so smart!! What are we waiting for!!! Yang 2024!!!
It seems like she thinks her current senate run gives her more relevant experience than Andrew’s presidential and largest city in America mayoral run. 😆
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
2 races he lost in grand fashion
@@CampingJimmy If by "losing in grand fashion", you mean that he put up a good fight, then sure! Losing in grand fashion in surely better than losing another way and never being heard from again.
@@MarkHWillson He didntr put up a fight though. He was never taken seriously in either race.
@@CampingJimmy Maybe not by you and your circles. Certainly tons of people out there took those candidacies seriously - there is no denying that.
Love these two standing up to each other! Bravo!
Yang should have stood up to the DNC instead of caving in...i was so disappointed in him
Love YANG!! I voted for you & glad I did. I am so horrified with Biden.
Canada has a multiparty system
Mexico has a multiparty system
UK has a multiparty system
France has a multiparty system
Germany has a multiparty system
Japan has a multiparty system
Korea has a multiparty system
Israel has a multiparty system
Australia has a multiparty system
New Zealand has a multiparty system
Taiwan has a multiparty system
Ireland has a multiparty system
None of these countries elected a Trump; America did.
This lady (seating congressperson and running for senate): oh no, we can't have a multiparty system because it will lead to extremism
(we're only 2 years removed from a Trump Presidency and he's running again next year)
Clearly if there's a system that allows extremism, it's America's
I read his book, 'The War on Normal People'. Andrew Yang definitely gets it. I hope one day the World's countries have the sense to elect people like him and what he stands for.
Wow she opened her mouth and got absolutely DESTROYED
She said that by handing over the government to a third party is like handing over to a fascist regime. I think she forgot about the whole checks and balance system.
It's too bad Bill is stuck on policy. Yang explained how leaning into specific policy is detrimental right now and the point was completely missed.
The real change the Forward Party makes is in how it's pushing against party primaries and how it promotes strong candidates regardless of political party, which moves us away from the current system that incentivizes polarization
Yang 2024
I don’t know about the feasibility of UBI or a third party but Andrew is such a genuine, reasonable, thoughtful, and intelligent man that I trust him far more than any other politician.
The real political problem with a guaranteed income isn't the costs, but the benefits.
Poor people won't work for slave wages if they have government benefits.
@@scifirealism5943
In one of the UBI discussions he mentioned that when it almost passed in1969, a Dem politician said "but who will clean our toilets?". The answer is, of course, that the cost of cleaning toilets would rise to its natural free market value based on the unpleasantness of the task.
You can artificially depress wages for the worst jobs with the threat of extreme poverty. Since the same argument applies to the SECOND to worst jobs, you get at least slightly lower cost of labor up to the point where the difference between careers doesn't affect quality of life (studies have shown that this is about $70k in the US but its probably higher now with inflation).
@@dustinsoodak8954 yep.
@@dustinsoodak8954 yes.
@@dustinsoodak8954 yes. democrats opposed the minimum income because it was too stringent and republicans opposed it because it was a guaranteed income for the poor.
The reason for not having robust welfare for poor people is very simple-poor people won't work for slave wages if they have government benefits. If it was truly possible for any poor person to afford healthcare, food, housing, education, etc. out of pocket, without working-which is what rich people can do-then nobody would EVER work in fast food or retail, for minimum wage, with zero benefits or chance for advancement.
You start with a vision and work out the specifics later. He has the vision; a unified country capable of self-correcting.
We need him so bad right now. He could easily win now.
😂😂😂
People are the problem, so let's replace the people with people.
Great idea lady! Why didn't anyone ever think of that!
Is she serious?
These comments are like a breath of fresh air. Thank you for the kind words.
We need this guy as President.
All the old people crusade against UBI. They have no problem with us sending billions to other countries every year, not even counting the war, but God forbid we help our own people.
I actually have alot of hope hearing Andrew speak. I really wish he was our president.
Andrew you are rock keep up. We with you
Still a proud member of the Yang gang.
Poverty levels haven't changed because the METRICS have not changed - the actual buying power and ability to have good food and health care and a home HAVE changed and there are MORE in poverty who are working full time - like our military! Like Teachers !
preach
Conversation that needed to be had
Thanks.
We need more than 2 choices. This lady is stirring fear that some 3rd party will be terrorist.
Yang gets FLUSHED.
Man, I do not regret the money spent on this man’s campaign. First time I’ve ever spent money for anything political and something I truly believe in. Really was hoping for another run but that’s alright.
I always felt like Yang has the ideas, he just need a political advisor on his team who is ruthless and able to get him in the right places.
Man if this guy was president we'd be in a such a better spot lol
It's absolutely impossible to end poverty until we are willing to end war.
Like withdrawing support from Ukraine yes?
🤔 Explain this?
If people are still confused about the party then just keep it simple. Forward Party is about keeping democracy and ending polarization. Two main platforms. 1) Open primaries. 2) Rank choice voting.
Amen!
is Andrew still in favor of UBI?
Yes
@@drsmetal2747 then why isn't on the Forward Party platform?
@@TheeDavidDee In order for it to have a chance at becoming a reality, the system must be fixed. As he said, nothing can get done until then.
At this time, the only platform is change the system by instituting ranked choice voting and open primaries wherever possible. Once that is achieved, the door will be open for many parties. Andrew will run again on same platform as 2020. He is just as committed as before, but sees that nothing can happen until we fix this corrupt system that is getting worse by the minute.
At the speed at which AI is moving a UBI is inevitable.
Great conversation. Mr. Yang has diagnosed a big problem (2 parties is a struggle to the death, while the rest of us are helpless,) but having been burned when 3d party took votes from my favored party, I am afraid of the risk. A third party needs infrastructure, campaign experts, marketers, policy experts, academics, and people who can govern so voters are reassured. It needs a track record, standing. I think Yang is on to something that a big Democratic Presidential primary would be interesting, but scary. The stakes are so high.
Ya that's what I was always taught to believe
BUTTT if anyone can do its Andrew Yang
I'll vote for him!
Three minutes in and you can already tell who’s winning
I noticed a pattern that when people hear Forward party they think it will disrupt the presidential race, when most of its energy is going towards the local level
Yang should have brought up the fourth industrial revolution.
4:44
@@nutmegriot209 not enough
Love Yang
Andrew Yang does say some smart things - even if the 3rd party idea may not work in such a divided US - even though the reality is up to a third of the population may well be moderate, closer to the centre than to the fringes.
His suggestion that Biden should complete his 4 year term having achieved the main goal, and be a bridge to the next generation, and be thanked and respected for doing so, is a very fine idea.
im done with maher
It seems like Bill is struggling to understand when he has lot to deliver. He's one of the few who thinks of the problems thoroughly and bring out possible solutions, they may or may not work, but at least does not let the problems slip under the rug. Bill should invite him to Club Random to devote an hour picking up is brain.
Love seeing Yang on my screen again. Not Left, Not Right, Forward.
I get that ppl get scared when thinking about a NEW, UNKNOWN, third option. I do too. But Yang is one of the few politicians that seem actually knowledgeable, thinking critically, and trying to actually solve problems instead of just navigating the politics game. Just saying
Glad to see the commenters aren't falling for the nonsense coming from her and Bill
Oh, I see now. The US politics is messed up because we have primaries. How logical.
" Andrew Yang 4 President "
3:22 lmao ☠️ “the key to the universe”
Yang gang here !!!
Preach!
She’s in denial of how the system works
He never addressed the initial question of why the FORWARD PARTY doesn’t address UBI and is just general
He’s probably staying away from it, because it burned him. He doesn’t mention it anymore.
watch this great video on RUclips "Why U.S. Corruption Is Here Forever"
Excerpt from The War on Normal People, narrated by Andrew Yang
This was good
My hope, is that Andrew Yang will move forward to the front. He's well-directed & capable. My thought is that the Biden administration should've offered Yang a position, but it didn't. We look forward to his future.
He would be a good President if we could get him back, we also need to put people in Senate and the House that are in his way of thinking or will be voting against him later.. Anyway we could also create petitions in some states to get UBI on Ballots or a Dividends of the GDP with a % rate attached.
Who is paying for these new handouts?
@@CampingJimmy Who paid for the military industrial complex.. What about the 7 Trillion that Congress just now allowed as a budget? What about the money that was given to all the bail outs? Why dont we bail out all Americans?
The problem is Andrews ideas are the smartest ones in the room, and people don't understand them. Only a small handful of people understands what he's talking about.
It seems to me that we really didn't get UBI , what we got was really nothing . Where the trillions of other dollars went , who knows, but not the people.
Ukraine and Israel.
Brave is one thing. Technically competent is a whole other.
Concerned about handing the country over to people without good intentions? Lady, that's what's been happening since time immemorial. Time to climb out from under that rock you've been living under. The status quo has to be disrupted and I'm afraid nothing short of a forceful shove is going to get the job done.
People being so afraid of a third party is the problem you’re so used to the establishment anything that can even be better scares some people 🤦🏿♂️ crazy
The two party system seriously needs to go. It's so dumb when both sides are just two evils. Forced to choose one that isn't shittier for ourselves while they line-up cash in their pockets.
Or don't choose and try to stay away, and still get crap indirectly.
Actually just start petitions in every city for UbI to get it on a ballot that's what happened with legalization of a drug called Marijuana... so why not eliminating poverty all together right now... we just need volunteers to get stuff on the ballots... vote Creative society!
Bill thought it was a take down to say "you're for good things and against bad."
Meanwhile everyone watching is thinking "finally, yes please."
I will campaign for you again in 2024