The 4080 Super better be cheaper than $1200. Its not that big of a difference. Really happy the 4070 TI Super will have 16 GB. Great vide ERock! Cant wait to see the new GPU's on the channel
Considering the 3080 10GB was $699 when launched (until GPU mining got hold of it), I would expect no greater than $850 which allows a significant bump for inflation. We are all being conned by these companies coming in really high and then dropping the price to seem cheaper, so yep even $999 feels off to me for the so called value model in the high end.
Crystal Ball suggests that 4070 Ti Super and 4080 Super will have VERY limited availability, and with Chinese New Year coming up I wouldn't expect much availability on them until Q2 (April). (Assuming the rumored prices are right) Nvidia will do rebates to retailers to try and clear old inventory in the channel; so expect the 4070 Ti to drop $100-$150 and the 4080 to be going for $999. Maybe with a good game bundle. AMD will have to react, so expect 7900 XTX prices to drift to $899-$949 and 7900 XT prices to be at around $699-$749
AMD and Nvidia are actually competitiv right now, if 4080 super would be at its msrp as they say in leaks, it would be worth it a little better than 7900xtx and more features
@@mr_oceanic9083 7900XTX at $800 and 4080 Super at $999 will bring balance back to the force. That's more in line with "normal" pricing. Nvidia has always been overpriced and scummy so that's normal.
I upgraded from GTX 1070 to RTX 3070 and then again upgraded to RX 7800XT, just to show the bird to NVidia, they are screwing us, the customer at their own convenience.
A card operating above the 7600 level has to be on the Navi 32 die, and AMD already has two GPUs on Navi 32. Further, a 7600XT would struggle to perform at a level at which 16GB of VRAM would ever be needed, much like the 4060Ti 16GB. And it would hurt sales of the 7700XT. It makes more sense that Navi 32 would be used for a 7700 non-XT and that a 7600XT would have 10 or 12GB of VRAM and be a binned and OC'd Navi 33.
People keep making this assumption based on nVidia's failure on 128 bit bus, but AMD generally isn't having that issue. I agree it won't saturate the full 16gb in most cases, but it'll certainly do better than the 4060 does with 16, being that it can't seem to fully saturate 8 to begin with, and when it does, it's pegged lol. Tech power up seems to confirm the 7600xt will indeed be 16gb @ 128-bit. The 7600 is kind of disappointing. The entire 40 series is a joke, minus the 90, which you have to be vigiliant with, so it doesn't burn. What a mess.
some leaker a month ago did say only the 4070 would continue production after the super launch with the 4070Ti and 4080 discontinued. My guess is the 4070 drops permanently to $500 to compete with the 7800XT and the 4070 Super launches at $600, sandwiching the 7800XT.
@@neon1718 That's why I still have my GTX 1070. I paid 400 for it. 500 puts it outside my comfort zone and I *don't* want a 60 card. If FSR was better, I'd switch to AMD.
I've had a 1070 for way too long. It served me well at 60FPS gaming up until now, it upset me playing on medium settings and it made me even more upset when certain games maxed me at 40 FPS at 1080p medium settings. So i thought it was best to finally upgrade but the bad reception of the 4070 put me off so i waited a bit. Glad i did because the 4070S is defiantly the upgrade i've been waiting for, no more medium settings. Maximum settings 60 FPS at 4k with Ray tracing. Very happy with the purchases so far. (Done on Elden Ring. Nothing like Cyperpunk or anything.)
Looking for something thats about double the performance and at least double the VRAM (3060Ti) so ive been eyeing the PowerColor 7900 XT Hellhound for $749 at micro center. If the 4070 Ti Super can compete with the 7900 XT both performance wise and price wise, that might be what I get. I kinda care about NVENC as I do stream occasionally but its not a big deal if I can use AV1 encoding to stream on YT with AMD.
HEVC is smaller, more efficient, but AV1 is better in general for devices being able to read it. I don't think it makes a huge difference which you use unless you're streaming max bitrates to more than like 3 platforms, you'd basically want a 4090 rig at that point anyway, and maybe a separate one to play on lol... If you're just streaming to YT, you're fine with AMD. Live streams tend to be more CPU intensive than GPU intensive, so a high core count CPU might be a better investment for a streamer, if you didn't already have one.
(Hands on hips) Why are they still making GPUs? Everyone told me they were going all in on AI and screw gamers! Bunch of liars. And I'm hearing RTX 50 is coming soon! What the heck!! 😡
Im very unsure what gpu i shoude get at this point for playing games :( were thinking 4080 super but I hear amd shoude relly good aswell like nvidia dose not seem to be aim at gameing but more ai and thats whats makes me unsure
I would put the patreon shoutout in the middle personally, not sure why anyone would be offended by it at the start, but if you put it right at the end a lot of viewers have already decided the video is finished and have stopped watching it.
Eager to learn more about the 4070ti Super (as dumb as that name is) considering it launches (supposedly) on the 24th of January which happens to be my birthday. I was gonna wait and see on how the Intel Battlemage GPU turns out but that'll likely be coming out later in the year and my 1080ti is on it's last legs and I'm due for an upgrade.
You'd be better off just buying an AMD card if it's for gaming. nVidia has flat out told gamers they don't care about them anymore, and they shouldn't expect price drops, they are going to get progressively worse pricewise for the foreseeable future. AMD does the major console chips anyway, so you're better off in general with optimization in most cases, with AMD. Happy Birthday.
That may be difficult if you're trying to buy new. They intentionally are drawing down old supply so if there is much of non super on sale it won't be for long.
The guy who leaked this on Twitter has a point about "hidden" price cuts - meaning this seems to be a quite significant price drop all across the higher end of the line-up - without Nvidia calling it a price drop. 1000 bucks for the 4080(S) seems much more reasonable and in line with GPU prices of old. Personally, I consider the 4080 the "true" top of the line card anyway because the 4090 is just so insanely priced and the 4080 is a pretty powerful card in its own right. In any case: I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks *this* is what the line-up (and prices) should've looked like at the initial launch. I'm very seriously considering an upgrade if those specs and prices prove correct. The only drawback for me is that my existing 4070 will now take a drop in 2nd hand price so I'll be getting a little less money back when I sell it on to make room for either the 4070 S or 4070 Ti S.
@@ThePalePatriot I never had problem with amd drivers, but... I heard if that if you using AMD's Anti-Lag+ thing, it can triggers Anti-cheat in csgo and apex.
I can't for the life of me figure out who is buying nVidia cards on a general level... it's getting to be a rare ask here. Outside of the few normal bots, I'm kind of surprised anyone's taking offense to your old video lol. Everyone I've talked to that legit seemed to or did have a 4070/ti actually wasn't terribly impressed with it... I was able to talk everyone out of any 70 class this gen that I built for, thankfully. None of them were doing anything but gaming, so AMD wasn't a hard sell. One out of a couple dozen (give or take) went with a 4080. What the heck is with the 4080 "Super"? That's a nothingburger gain, what is it with them skimping or overcharging for VRAM? I swear it's not that special or expensive. EDIT: "4070Ti Super" indeed sounds dumb. lol
the one question I have is what is the best way to go about trying to get a (4080 Super in my case)? amazon at midnight or try to be at my nearest best buy on launch day in the AM. I am building a new PC and the last thing I need is a GPU lol.
Was originally gunning for the the 4070 Super but the 16gb on the 4070 Ti Super has me thinking. The $800 price is tag is painful though. I just wonder how much that 12GB is going to gimp me in a few years at 1440p.
I only care about 1440 gaming, but have a 2070 Super. I was thinking regular 4070 Super was must for me but I REALLY think waiting for 50 Series is the way to go.....
If the 7600xt is just a 16gb version of the 7600 with a higher price tag, it's not exciting, especially jf they just clam shell it to a 128 bit bus like the trash 4060ti. The 7700xt should have been 16gb to begin with. 4070 super needs to be 16gb as well. Hopefully the price is no more than the 4070 was at or the price to performance won't be improving
I dunno... AMD seems to have little trouble with lower bandwidth saturating the VRAM, that seems strictly limited to nVidia in my experience. Anecdotal as that is, it's definitely been repeated quite frequently by others. It's really not that surprising if you think about it, leather man's cards have basically become rushed basement projects that really only exemplify the software. You don't see AMD with 3 and 4 slot GPUs that catch fire (yes, they still are doing that lol)... just saying. All these people cooing about how power consumption matters unless they have an air fryer 4090 (no shot at pros that actually use them for what they are)... it's like pick a side lol. I really wish AMD would just take a chance at the volume over margin economic window Jensen keeps handing them, but I gave up hope of it actually happening like a decade ago.
@@x8jason8x Which is what I can't stand. The gaming market revenue could have been triple what it is now if they had actually decided to release GPUs with proper hardware upgrades at reasonable prices. They are making the most money from their data centre business currently, but it just makes no sense for them to throw away their gaming business like that. Gaming is still their second largest business, and it's cyclical, meaning it can bounce back when the problems it's currently facing hopefully ease off. Nvidia's gaming business currently has a revenue of $9 billion, which is less than the $12.5 billion from last year due to an oversupply of GPUs and GPU sales plummeting. $9 billion is still a ridiculous amount. It can get much more than that if they start taking gaming seriously again. It's not as much as their data centre business, but it's still a lot. It makes absolutely no sense for them to just ditch the gaming market when it's this big, despite it not being as profitable as their AI business. That's the point that people seem to miss. Nvidia has plenty of money to use top end resources for both their AI accelerators and gaming GPUs.
@@Gamer-q7v Ehh the PC gaming market isn't really shrinking. It kind of exploded during the coof, and it's leveling off now, that's true... I went through a real hardcore slow period as a builder in general, but it bounced back for me, personally. No one wants nVidia cards lately at all though, and the few who do that don't need CUDA specifically, I have them get AMD. No returns or regrets yet, especially when they find out their build is coming in way cheaper than they'd initially thought. The real problems will arise as Jensen further distances himself from gamers, and studios begin to shy away from worrying about optimizing for them. Then we'll see if nVidia sticks to their guns and abandons the sector entirely through just not caring at all to deliver value. We already know he treats AIBs like trash, can only mean they're verticalizing it and in housing all production, or ending it entirely.
@@ZackSNetwork LOL! Bruh... the math just from looking at the slide in the video is 1-2%. Why you always just pulling wild things outta nowhere? You straight up saying nVidia's whole gen leap minus the 4090 is gonna be applied to the super when they're doing almost no improvement at all, trying to hawk AD103 that no one wants to buy for 1K. 🤡🤡🤡
sucks to be just learning Stable Diffusion, and having a PCIE 3.0 build. The best lower end GPU for that is the 4060ti 16GB, which is further gimped on PCIE 3.0. The 7600XT is the right amount of VRAM for the larger models, but it lacks the architecture. Not many good upgrade options. A used 3060 12GB might be the best way to go.
Or you know, buying a new platform, instead of a new gpu for an outdated one? Using your current GPU until you can afford a better one? If you were just gaming, sure, get a GPU first... but large data models all benefit from faster PCI speeds.
@@x8jason8x I don't think you understand the limitations of the 4060 series being on x8 lanes. It's 100% a design limitation of those cards, not a limitation of PCIE 3.0. The 4060ti cannot come close to saturating 3.0x16. It's because the cards are made with x8 lanes that they suffer a performance hit on 3.0. And sure, build a new computer with a 4090 solves a lot of problems. I have no idea why you would assume I wasn't using my current GPU to learn SD. I was just lamenting the design flaw of the 4060ti 16GB.
@@BearfootBob "I don't think you understand the limitations of the 4060 series being on x8 lanes." I 100% do, that's why I said it's to be avoided. Also said first money I'd spend if I had only one computer and it was PCIE 3, I'd upgrade my motherboard @1. All ML benefits from modern CPU updates and high core counts. Yes CUDA is also a benefit, but it's meaningless as it can't utilize the faster bus on any card that doesn't have it to begin with. "build a new computer with a 4090 solves a lot of problems. I have no idea why you would assume I wasn't using my current GPU to learn SD. I was just lamenting the design flaw of the 4060ti 16GB." As I see it, the only GPU I named here is the 3090/ti, which has no problem with full saturation and is still a fantastic GPU for most ML stuff, including SD... and will play just fine with PCIE 3... but it also wasn't the point. SD likes a lot of VRAM... and you can get a 3090 for about 600-700. Still... the point of upgrading the motherboard isn't even PCIE 4, it's just having a faster motherboard, so you can actually use a PCIE 4 GPU. That hopefully isn't a 4060ti. Which I'd never suggest anyone buy for anything.
@@x8jason8x Used GPU prices have gone up since last you checked. Low on a 3090 is now $850. I appreciate the response. I think we agree the gimped PCIEx8 GPUs - most commonly sought by people on PCIE 3.0 - are a bad deal. I'm learning a lot with the 2060, and there are still good GPU upgrade options for a PCIE 3.0 system. The main reason I wouldn't recommend upgrading the mobo to people with my system specs is that there is so much untapped potential in what I already have. A used 3060 12GB is probably a better step before a total rebuild, which in the case of the 3090 would also require a PSU upgrade. So a 3090 upgrade would be putting nearly $1,000 into a B450 system, which I think you'd agree would be money better stashed for the next build, cheers.
People all excited for 7600 xt 16gb. Me: I'd rather get the intel arc 770 16gb. Its still there at a competitive price. Oh wait. Its out of stock. Never mind.
I could've gotten the 7900 XTX for $800 but decided against it. 1) I don't need the performance and 2) the power requirements for that card is pretty insane and 3) I still don't trust the drivers for the 7000 series. I've heard way too many bad things. Oh and 4) I need to be financially responsible 😅
My 7800XT is returnable until 1/29. I have one of the $500 models. Not sure if this 4070 super at $600 will be worth the switch or not. I’m currently leaning towards no, it won’t be. However, if reviews show that it really performs at 4070 TI levels for $600….I might be swayed. We shall see.
Lol... they aren't going to kneecap their own cards, and they certainly won't be lowering the prices on anything. Expect them to be the same as the OG cards MSRP or higher. Jensen already has said repeatedly that he's done with gamers, the prices will reflect that.
Bro it won't be on the exact same level as the 4070ti, a overclocked 7800xt is not far off the 4070ti for performance. If you gonna upgrade might as well see what the 4070ti super is looking like.
LOL! That's all nonsense, as assets and VRAM intensity vary from game to game, and most games favor AMD in optimization, being that they're the chip in Xbox and PS. nVidia has to pay to get their name directly on games now, minus the pitiful handful that brag on utilizing RT... which the majority of gamers don't care about anyway. lol
AMD tends you use a little more VRAM then Nvidia. But Nvidia tend to use exatly the same amount more system RAM. What do you think hurts performance the most?
i wonder why all ever wanna compare amd and nvidia? amd is on 4.0 nvidia 5.0 nvidia give best at highend cards amd do everytime best at low and midrange cards
what are you talking about? It looks like you believe AMD is running PCIe4.0 and Nvidia running PCIe5.0. But the only 5.0 Nvidia is running, is PCI 5.0, and that is the 12VHPWR connector. They all run on PCIe4.0 lanes
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The 4080 Super better be cheaper than $1200. Its not that big of a difference. Really happy the 4070 TI Super will have 16 GB. Great vide ERock! Cant wait to see the new GPU's on the channel
If it is $999 I will buy it...otherwise it's gonna be the 4070 ti super with that stupid name
Considering the 3080 10GB was $699 when launched (until GPU mining got hold of it), I would expect no greater than $850 which allows a significant bump for inflation. We are all being conned by these companies coming in really high and then dropping the price to seem cheaper, so yep even $999 feels off to me for the so called value model in the high end.
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@@IIIFrenchyIII 20% less, 4% bump, im buying
@@CuttinInIdaho More like 2% at most but it won't be 20% less. Might get a 4080 for that, but the super's coming in at 1199$ or more.
The 4080 at $999 becomes a solid high end option
And a fantasy. I hope I'm wrong, but gamblers win by playing the odds, not on hope.
@@rangersmith4652 You could already find 4080's for $999 before the holidays.
If it had 20gbs of vram on a 320bit bus that would have been better.
Crystal Ball suggests that 4070 Ti Super and 4080 Super will have VERY limited availability, and with Chinese New Year coming up I wouldn't expect much availability on them until Q2 (April).
(Assuming the rumored prices are right) Nvidia will do rebates to retailers to try and clear old inventory in the channel; so expect the 4070 Ti to drop $100-$150 and the 4080 to be going for $999. Maybe with a good game bundle.
AMD will have to react, so expect 7900 XTX prices to drift to $899-$949 and 7900 XT prices to be at around $699-$749
People forget about Chinese New Year. They stop working for a month. lol
7900XTX for $800 is crazy. Even at $900 that would outsell anything that Nvidia has.
AMD and Nvidia are actually competitiv right now, if 4080 super would be at its msrp as they say in leaks, it would be worth it a little better than 7900xtx and more features
@@mr_oceanic9083 7900XTX at $800 and 4080 Super at $999 will bring balance back to the force. That's more in line with "normal" pricing. Nvidia has always been overpriced and scummy so that's normal.
I upgraded from GTX 1070 to RTX 3070 and then again upgraded to RX 7800XT, just to show the bird to NVidia, they are screwing us, the customer at their own convenience.
A card operating above the 7600 level has to be on the Navi 32 die, and AMD already has two GPUs on Navi 32. Further, a 7600XT would struggle to perform at a level at which 16GB of VRAM would ever be needed, much like the 4060Ti 16GB. And it would hurt sales of the 7700XT. It makes more sense that Navi 32 would be used for a 7700 non-XT and that a 7600XT would have 10 or 12GB of VRAM and be a binned and OC'd Navi 33.
People keep making this assumption based on nVidia's failure on 128 bit bus, but AMD generally isn't having that issue. I agree it won't saturate the full 16gb in most cases, but it'll certainly do better than the 4060 does with 16, being that it can't seem to fully saturate 8 to begin with, and when it does, it's pegged lol. Tech power up seems to confirm the 7600xt will indeed be 16gb @ 128-bit.
The 7600 is kind of disappointing. The entire 40 series is a joke, minus the 90, which you have to be vigiliant with, so it doesn't burn. What a mess.
@@x8jason8x 7600 xt 16gb is just a marketing gimik to say "hey look 16gb even though it doesn't remotely have power to even use it"
Sure. The 4060ti is even worse.
some leaker a month ago did say only the 4070 would continue production after the super launch with the 4070Ti and 4080 discontinued. My guess is the 4070 drops permanently to $500 to compete with the 7800XT and the 4070 Super launches at $600, sandwiching the 7800XT.
I guess I should give up on the 4070 dropping to 400. 500 is still too much.
@@AntonioCunninghamIsn't $500 the MSRP of the two previous 70 series cards
That leak would be "moore's law is dead" And yes. 4070 will continue. New MSRP will be $550. 4070ti is discontinued along with the 4080.
@@neon1718 That's why I still have my GTX 1070. I paid 400 for it. 500 puts it outside my comfort zone and I *don't* want a 60 card.
If FSR was better, I'd switch to AMD.
@@AntonioCunningham considering inflation, a 1070 at $400 in 2016 would cost $502 today.
gib me day 4070 Ti SUPER bebe
I've had a 1070 for way too long. It served me well at 60FPS gaming up until now, it upset me playing on medium settings and it made me even more upset when certain games maxed me at 40 FPS at 1080p medium settings. So i thought it was best to finally upgrade but the bad reception of the 4070 put me off so i waited a bit. Glad i did because the 4070S is defiantly the upgrade i've been waiting for, no more medium settings. Maximum settings 60 FPS at 4k with Ray tracing. Very happy with the purchases so far. (Done on Elden Ring. Nothing like Cyperpunk or anything.)
Looking for something thats about double the performance and at least double the VRAM (3060Ti) so ive been eyeing the PowerColor 7900 XT Hellhound for $749 at micro center. If the 4070 Ti Super can compete with the 7900 XT both performance wise and price wise, that might be what I get. I kinda care about NVENC as I do stream occasionally but its not a big deal if I can use AV1 encoding to stream on YT with AMD.
HEVC is smaller, more efficient, but AV1 is better in general for devices being able to read it. I don't think it makes a huge difference which you use unless you're streaming max bitrates to more than like 3 platforms, you'd basically want a 4090 rig at that point anyway, and maybe a separate one to play on lol... If you're just streaming to YT, you're fine with AMD. Live streams tend to be more CPU intensive than GPU intensive, so a high core count CPU might be a better investment for a streamer, if you didn't already have one.
(Hands on hips) Why are they still making GPUs? Everyone told me they were going all in on AI and screw gamers! Bunch of liars. And I'm hearing RTX 50 is coming soon! What the heck!! 😡
FYI - The dash numbers aren't different die's - only the first 3 numbers represents the die IE: AD103
Cut down, yes sir.
If amd comes out with the 7600 xt 16gb at less than 350 usd, the 4060s and 4060 TIs of the world would become obsolete. imo😁
Im very unsure what gpu i shoude get at this point for playing games :( were thinking 4080 super but I hear amd shoude relly good aswell like nvidia dose not seem to be aim at gameing but more ai and thats whats makes me unsure
I would put the patreon shoutout in the middle personally, not sure why anyone would be offended by it at the start, but if you put it right at the end a lot of viewers have already decided the video is finished and have stopped watching it.
If the 4080 Super is $999.99 it will sell like hotcakes.
nice! I almsot bought a videoc ard today, i'll keep my wallet clsoed for a bit
Eager to learn more about the 4070ti Super (as dumb as that name is) considering it launches (supposedly) on the 24th of January which happens to be my birthday.
I was gonna wait and see on how the Intel Battlemage GPU turns out but that'll likely be coming out later in the year and my 1080ti is on it's last legs and I'm due for an upgrade.
You'd be better off just buying an AMD card if it's for gaming. nVidia has flat out told gamers they don't care about them anymore, and they shouldn't expect price drops, they are going to get progressively worse pricewise for the foreseeable future. AMD does the major console chips anyway, so you're better off in general with optimization in most cases, with AMD. Happy Birthday.
Yes! i can't wait for this to be released! so i can buy the 4080 non super for cheap.
That may be difficult if you're trying to buy new. They intentionally are drawing down old supply so if there is much of non super on sale it won't be for long.
The guy who leaked this on Twitter has a point about "hidden" price cuts - meaning this seems to be a quite significant price drop all across the higher end of the line-up - without Nvidia calling it a price drop. 1000 bucks for the 4080(S) seems much more reasonable and in line with GPU prices of old. Personally, I consider the 4080 the "true" top of the line card anyway because the 4090 is just so insanely priced and the 4080 is a pretty powerful card in its own right. In any case: I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks *this* is what the line-up (and prices) should've looked like at the initial launch. I'm very seriously considering an upgrade if those specs and prices prove correct. The only drawback for me is that my existing 4070 will now take a drop in 2nd hand price so I'll be getting a little less money back when I sell it on to make room for either the 4070 S or 4070 Ti S.
4090 rule, end of story.
RTX 4070 Super for 600€ is still too much.
Why? I am a 1440 gamer, have a 2070 Super and thought it might be a good deal
@@ThePalePatriot RX 7800 XT goes for 500€ + we might get some response from AMD to make it more appealing
@@NoNsToPxs So AMD drivers, etc issues are fixed?
@@ThePalePatriot I never had problem with amd drivers, but... I heard if that if you using AMD's Anti-Lag+ thing, it can triggers Anti-cheat in csgo and apex.
I can't for the life of me figure out who is buying nVidia cards on a general level... it's getting to be a rare ask here. Outside of the few normal bots, I'm kind of surprised anyone's taking offense to your old video lol. Everyone I've talked to that legit seemed to or did have a 4070/ti actually wasn't terribly impressed with it... I was able to talk everyone out of any 70 class this gen that I built for, thankfully. None of them were doing anything but gaming, so AMD wasn't a hard sell. One out of a couple dozen (give or take) went with a 4080.
What the heck is with the 4080 "Super"? That's a nothingburger gain, what is it with them skimping or overcharging for VRAM? I swear it's not that special or expensive.
EDIT: "4070Ti Super" indeed sounds dumb. lol
Could you imagine if the 4070 ti was actually released as a 4080 12GB? Then we would have "4080 16GB Super and 4080 12GB Super"
I am now sad because I built my pc of black friday, all new:
Ryzen 5 7500f
Rx 6700 xt
Ddr5 16 gb Mhz 6000
Gigabyte B650M gaming x ax
the one question I have is what is the best way to go about trying to get a (4080 Super in my case)? amazon at midnight or try to be at my nearest best buy on launch day in the AM. I am building a new PC and the last thing I need is a GPU lol.
wild you said no one was buying the 4070 when that was the only well selling model (besides 4090 obviously)
Was originally gunning for the the 4070 Super but the 16gb on the 4070 Ti Super has me thinking. The $800 price is tag is painful though. I just wonder how much that 12GB is going to gimp me in a few years at 1440p.
I only care about 1440 gaming, but have a 2070 Super. I was thinking regular 4070 Super was must for me but I REALLY think waiting for 50 Series is the way to go.....
yeah it's stupid ..... just get rid of those cards ..... even i don't like it
Should we wait for the next nvidia/amd series cards?
If the 7600xt is just a 16gb version of the 7600 with a higher price tag, it's not exciting, especially jf they just clam shell it to a 128 bit bus like the trash 4060ti. The 7700xt should have been 16gb to begin with.
4070 super needs to be 16gb as well. Hopefully the price is no more than the 4070 was at or the price to performance won't be improving
I dunno... AMD seems to have little trouble with lower bandwidth saturating the VRAM, that seems strictly limited to nVidia in my experience. Anecdotal as that is, it's definitely been repeated quite frequently by others. It's really not that surprising if you think about it, leather man's cards have basically become rushed basement projects that really only exemplify the software. You don't see AMD with 3 and 4 slot GPUs that catch fire (yes, they still are doing that lol)... just saying. All these people cooing about how power consumption matters unless they have an air fryer 4090 (no shot at pros that actually use them for what they are)... it's like pick a side lol.
I really wish AMD would just take a chance at the volume over margin economic window Jensen keeps handing them, but I gave up hope of it actually happening like a decade ago.
If the 4080super is 999 they will get my money.
My too
keep dreaming
@@mrlace4776 See ?
@@Math1eu- it starts at $999 so most likely it'll go over that by just a bit
Yea might wait until feb to buy a new gpu
Why every stupid channel think that new super cards will be cheaper then old ones non super!?
Just got a RTX 4070 ti today and love this thing you don't even need DLSS with it.
I hope there's an RTX 4090 Ti/RTX 4090 Super at a similar price to the MSRP of the 4090.
Nvidia already has the HALO position sewn up, so why would they make a 4090Ti? Oh wait, some people will way $3,000 for it. That would be why.
Man there is no need for a 4090ti. The 4090 has no competition and we are already going to get 50 series GPU’s in early 2025.
There won't be. They're using all the top binned silicon they can for AI hardware.
@@x8jason8x Which is what I can't stand. The gaming market revenue could have been triple what it is now if they had actually decided to release GPUs with proper hardware upgrades at reasonable prices. They are making the most money from their data centre business currently, but it just makes no sense for them to throw away their gaming business like that. Gaming is still their second largest business, and it's cyclical, meaning it can bounce back when the problems it's currently facing hopefully ease off. Nvidia's gaming business currently has a revenue of $9 billion, which is less than the $12.5 billion from last year due to an oversupply of GPUs and GPU sales plummeting. $9 billion is still a ridiculous amount. It can get much more than that if they start taking gaming seriously again. It's not as much as their data centre business, but it's still a lot. It makes absolutely no sense for them to just ditch the gaming market when it's this big, despite it not being as profitable as their AI business. That's the point that people seem to miss. Nvidia has plenty of money to use top end resources for both their AI accelerators and gaming GPUs.
@@Gamer-q7v Ehh the PC gaming market isn't really shrinking. It kind of exploded during the coof, and it's leveling off now, that's true... I went through a real hardcore slow period as a builder in general, but it bounced back for me, personally. No one wants nVidia cards lately at all though, and the few who do that don't need CUDA specifically, I have them get AMD. No returns or regrets yet, especially when they find out their build is coming in way cheaper than they'd initially thought.
The real problems will arise as Jensen further distances himself from gamers, and studios begin to shy away from worrying about optimizing for them. Then we'll see if nVidia sticks to their guns and abandons the sector entirely through just not caring at all to deliver value. We already know he treats AIBs like trash, can only mean they're verticalizing it and in housing all production, or ending it entirely.
I got the 4070 at 520 pretty happy
How much performance do you feel the 4080 supers will be from other manufacturers? Could get better performance out of them or is it capped out.
AIB 4080 Super’s should be %10-%12 faster than the 4080.
@@ZackSNetwork LOL! Bruh... the math just from looking at the slide in the video is 1-2%. Why you always just pulling wild things outta nowhere?
You straight up saying nVidia's whole gen leap minus the 4090 is gonna be applied to the super when they're doing almost no improvement at all, trying to hawk AD103 that no one wants to buy for 1K. 🤡🤡🤡
I'm excited for the 4070 Super!
But it’s still only 12gb 😫
sucks to be just learning Stable Diffusion, and having a PCIE 3.0 build. The best lower end GPU for that is the 4060ti 16GB, which is further gimped on PCIE 3.0. The 7600XT is the right amount of VRAM for the larger models, but it lacks the architecture. Not many good upgrade options. A used 3060 12GB might be the best way to go.
Or you know, buying a new platform, instead of a new gpu for an outdated one? Using your current GPU until you can afford a better one? If you were just gaming, sure, get a GPU first... but large data models all benefit from faster PCI speeds.
At absolute last ditch and platform upgrade is just not tenable, get a used 3090 or 3090ti. AM4 is super cheap these days though.
@@x8jason8x I don't think you understand the limitations of the 4060 series being on x8 lanes. It's 100% a design limitation of those cards, not a limitation of PCIE 3.0. The 4060ti cannot come close to saturating 3.0x16. It's because the cards are made with x8 lanes that they suffer a performance hit on 3.0. And sure, build a new computer with a 4090 solves a lot of problems. I have no idea why you would assume I wasn't using my current GPU to learn SD. I was just lamenting the design flaw of the 4060ti 16GB.
@@BearfootBob "I don't think you understand the limitations of the 4060 series being on x8 lanes."
I 100% do, that's why I said it's to be avoided. Also said first money I'd spend if I had only one computer and it was PCIE 3, I'd upgrade my motherboard @1. All ML benefits from modern CPU updates and high core counts. Yes CUDA is also a benefit, but it's meaningless as it can't utilize the faster bus on any card that doesn't have it to begin with.
"build a new computer with a 4090 solves a lot of problems. I have no idea why you would assume I wasn't using my current GPU to learn SD. I was just lamenting the design flaw of the 4060ti 16GB."
As I see it, the only GPU I named here is the 3090/ti, which has no problem with full saturation and is still a fantastic GPU for most ML stuff, including SD... and will play just fine with PCIE 3... but it also wasn't the point. SD likes a lot of VRAM... and you can get a 3090 for about 600-700. Still... the point of upgrading the motherboard isn't even PCIE 4, it's just having a faster motherboard, so you can actually use a PCIE 4 GPU. That hopefully isn't a 4060ti. Which I'd never suggest anyone buy for anything.
@@x8jason8x Used GPU prices have gone up since last you checked. Low on a 3090 is now $850. I appreciate the response. I think we agree the gimped PCIEx8 GPUs - most commonly sought by people on PCIE 3.0 - are a bad deal. I'm learning a lot with the 2060, and there are still good GPU upgrade options for a PCIE 3.0 system. The main reason I wouldn't recommend upgrading the mobo to people with my system specs is that there is so much untapped potential in what I already have. A used 3060 12GB is probably a better step before a total rebuild, which in the case of the 3090 would also require a PSU upgrade. So a 3090 upgrade would be putting nearly $1,000 into a B450 system, which I think you'd agree would be money better stashed for the next build, cheers.
People all excited for 7600 xt 16gb. Me: I'd rather get the intel arc 770 16gb. Its still there at a competitive price. Oh wait. Its out of stock. Never mind.
OOS where? I just picked up an A770 from Newegg.
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I could've gotten the 7900 XTX for $800 but decided against it. 1) I don't need the performance and 2) the power requirements for that card is pretty insane and 3) I still don't trust the drivers for the 7000 series. I've heard way too many bad things. Oh and 4) I need to be financially responsible 😅
Im skipping these. I want more vram and want faster than a 4090 and dp 2.1 and better power connector.
Can you make a gaming setup rating video?
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only 4070 ti Super worth its crazy 22% up and also Vram for future 12 is enough for next 2 years,but 16 for longer period!4080 is not huge boost!
If you cut those 22% in half, then you are closer to reality. With 4Gb more VRAM and at the same pricepoint as the way overpriced 4070Ti.
My 7800XT is returnable until 1/29. I have one of the $500 models. Not sure if this 4070 super at $600 will be worth the switch or not. I’m currently leaning towards no, it won’t be.
However, if reviews show that it really performs at 4070 TI levels for $600….I might be swayed. We shall see.
you bought it, you keep it.
Lol... they aren't going to kneecap their own cards, and they certainly won't be lowering the prices on anything. Expect them to be the same as the OG cards MSRP or higher. Jensen already has said repeatedly that he's done with gamers, the prices will reflect that.
Bro it won't be on the exact same level as the 4070ti, a overclocked 7800xt is not far off the 4070ti for performance. If you gonna upgrade might as well see what the 4070ti super is looking like.
Nvidia does more with less vram, amd uses way more in the same situation.
It uses less, so this 4070 stuff is pretty darn great. Yeah expensive
LOL! That's all nonsense, as assets and VRAM intensity vary from game to game, and most games favor AMD in optimization, being that they're the chip in Xbox and PS.
nVidia has to pay to get their name directly on games now, minus the pitiful handful that brag on utilizing RT... which the majority of gamers don't care about anyway. lol
AMD tends you use a little more VRAM then Nvidia. But Nvidia tend to use exatly the same amount more system RAM. What do you think hurts performance the most?
i wonder why all ever wanna compare amd and nvidia? amd is on 4.0 nvidia 5.0 nvidia give best at highend cards amd do everytime best at low and midrange cards
what are you talking about? It looks like you believe AMD is running PCIe4.0 and Nvidia running PCIe5.0. But the only 5.0 Nvidia is running, is PCI 5.0, and that is the 12VHPWR connector. They all run on PCIe4.0 lanes
first! let's gooooooo EROCKonTECH!!!
Yes, like assholes, everyone has an opinion.
Sure, and all of them stink, yours being no exception. 😂
@@x8jason8x exactly and right back at you
@@tjstrongbone5373 Didn't offer one. Just pointing out the obvious. 😂