Why did Qui Gon NEVER teach Obi Wan Lightsaber Forms? 🤨
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- Did you know that Qui Gon Jinn NEVER taught Obi Wan any lightsaber forms?
And this annoyed the young Kenobi to the point where he absolutely hated training with his Master!
But Qui Gon did have a very good reason as to why he didn’t expose his Apprentice to the more advanced practices earlier with the other Padawans!
One day, Obi Wan reached the end of his patience and angrily asked why he wasn’t being taught any lightsaber forms.
But Qui Gon calmly answered him explaining that he wanted to make sure Obi Wan had the basic stances and techniques drilled into his head and mastered.
Cuz he believed that the ground basics were going to be Obi Wan’s greatest ally in battle and serve as a base foundation for future training.
And this is very similar to the situation with Daniel and Mr. Miyagi in the Karate Kid as Daniel gets frustrated that he isn’t being taught Karate the way he wanted to while Mr. Miyagi was intentionally grounding him in the basics even if he couldn’t see it!
So in hindsight, it was all from a certain point of view of how the apprentice saw their progress!
Qui Gon taught Obi Wan the basics of high ground.
Beat me to it 😂
He’s my favorite as I’ve grown up.
@@TrekBoy85OG He was my favorite Jedi when I first watched TPM despite it being my least favorite film when I was a child.
@@hunterkiller1440 Never taught how to wipe
@@cornholio8715 Obi Wan did a good wipe on Anakin, cutting off 3 limbs.
Qui Gon was my favorite character when I was younger
you want any deathsticks
For sure
My first toy lightsaber was Qui Gon’s 😄 He was so cool
He was, is and always will be my favourite.
Mine too, probably because he was the only "true" Jedi of his time (at least according to Legends).
And he become the greatest master of Soresu. One of the most basic yet effective lightsaber forms.
But only, because Qui Gon died.
Obi used, like his master, Ataru.
Until his master died and Obi Wan thinked, that he needed more defense and focused on that.
Yeah I noticed that too. After fighting Darth Maul, Obi wan was much more controlled.@@hasseo195
@@hasseo195the Jedi all trained in multiple forms, Ataru was just the form that qui gon was most skilled in. While Obi Wan was qui gons Padawan there would have been other masters assisting in his training. In comics qui gon actually considering focusing Obi Wans training on the force purely and neglecting Saber combat purely because he believed Obi Wan already had the skill to defeat him in a duel.
@@blackwingdragonmastaat the very least, 2 forms. Shii-Cho or however it's spelled and then whatever else they decide they want to learn after
@@hasseo195thought*
“Remember your basics Zuko; They are your greatest weapons.”
He then defeats General Zhao very well done
Many people don't understand... Basics are basics because they are the most needed, without them You will fail. They go first because they are so important
@@FrostyGerardo-kr7xs
Basics aren't for winning. They are for survival. You can win just being a bruiser, but basics keeps you alive.
Aang: Ive been breathing for hours!! Jeong Jeong: You want to stop breathing?! 😂
I literally have Avatar open in a different tab and am about to watch it
"From my point of view you ARE learning lightsaber forms!"
"WELL THEN YOU ARE LOST!"
He taught him the high ground
The high ground is unbeatable
@@madcircle7311It's beatable
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Kenobi managed to beat the High Ground against both Maul and Grievous.
Kenobi mastered the technique, but he is one of the very few who can counter it.
Agreed 😊
@@WUxze that’s the thing about he obi wan is the master of both the high and the low ground and he is one of the few who can exploit both
And look what Obi-wan became. He's the Goat if you really want to get into it
Out of movie characters certainly. I think Revan, Malgus, or Exar Kun would be a fair matchup (not them definitely winning, even odds either way)
He is the GOAT. Screw Anakin being the chosen one, Obi Wan could have ended his life twice now, thanks to the show. Chosen one, pft.
@evenflow2057 the show ain't canon
Mace Windu is the goat
Nah, the real Goat was. . . YOUR MOTHER LAST NIGHT, TREBEK!
Liam Neeson is a legend. This guy can play anyone and play the role perfectly.
Up until like 2010. Then he just became corny.
Let’s be honest, there really wasn’t much to the “Qui-Gon Jin” character. . .
@@bashbish4564To be fair to him, his wife died. He doesn’t take on any serious roles now as he doesn’t want to tap into the emotions roles like that bring.
He’s got a great resume from before taken onwards. I think he gets a pass here
"First Learn Stance, Then Learn Form. Nature Rule, Kenobi-san, Not Mine."
But did he teach him the Theoretical Youngling Massacre moves?
😂
Remind me again, who came up with the YMMs?
@@_aballa_anakin had to have gotten them from somewhere…
@@julian5699from The Grandmaster of course
I told him they were only THEORETICAL!!!
“From certain point of view” well placed.
He was also teaching Obi-wan patience. Which he needed at that age.
This all comes back around where stances were how obi wan defeated darth maul
He pretended to switch to ataru not even just the stance the first few swings were an exact 1 to 1 of what happened between qui-gon and maul at the end of their fight except obi-wan was purposely drawing out maul's chin check with the lightsaber hilt.
I read this in the book "Master and Apprentice" its a good read and gives more details about not only Obi wan's and his master's relationship but Dooku and Qui gon's as well.
I just read the book like a month ago. Pretty good read.
Have it on audible and love it
Obi-Wan: But I'm not doing those amazing Ataru acrobatics yet, like all the other padawans in my class can do! This is outrageous! It's unfair!
Take a seat.
Obi's thoughts: "I HATECHOO!!!! 🔥😠🔥"
Both of them were my favourite Jedi. And still are. ❤
I would have love to see Liam Neeson reprise that role in some form. It's too late now, of course 😅
"A certain point of view"? Guys! He said it!
So true, Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan are my favorite duo!
Can't have a high ground without a firm foundation
And hear Luke Skywalker learn from Obi-Wan on a short Millennium Falcon flight and a couple visits to Yoda. 😄
This conversation between Obi Wan and Qui Gon comes from the novel Master and Apprentice by Claudia Gray.
Myagi: Danielson, wax on, wax off!
Daniel-san
Nope it’s Danielson. Danielson LaRusso. He wasn’t some poor kid from Jersey. He was a snotty Vermont boy cosplaying as a Jersey loser
"From a certain point of view" AAHHH I see what you did there 😂
“A certain point of view?”
HE TAUGHT THE HIGH GROUND
Show me low ground, Obi-Wan san. Good. Now show me high ground.
These old movies are so good. It's just perfect. 👍
I viewed it as: "If you don't use standard forms, no one can easily counter you"
Qui-Gon had Obi-wan master the basics first because he knew that no building can stand very long without a firm foundation. That’s the mark of an experienced warrior and good teacher.
So Star Wars had some inspirations from The Karate Kid? I dig it
Qui-Gon was so fucking bad ass in the comics and books
Heh, "a certain point of view" 😂😂
Yes, and actually I remember there being something about how Mace took to young Kenobi, but Qui-Gon forbade Mace and the other lightsaber instructors from sharing form seven techniques in part or in whole. I can't remember what part of expanded universe it was, though.
And while it was grudgingly, Mace Windu respected Qui-Gon and Dooku enough to cooperate with that.
Or maybe it was wookieepedia speculation. But I can definitely see why Mace Windu's judgment of Kenobi's character would see him as exceptional--if that's true.
I wish they would make a Qui Gon series like they did with Obi Wan
This mentality is honestly what ended up becoming obi-wan’s fighting style in the end. He doesn’t do anything bombastic but he has all the basics and foundations practiced and mastered to such a clinical degree of precision that he’s almost impossible to defeat. His guard is basically impenetrable and he doesn’t panic or make mistakes, he just waits until you make one.
Clean Mr Miyagi's backyard immediately!! - explained Qui Gon, calmly
NICE comparison!
I've been trying to explain this to my daughter for years.
She's currently an advanced green belt in Taekwondo, but finally understands thanks to this short.👍👍👍👍👍
“What I *taught* you was true… from a certain point of view”
This method of teaching is exactly what my violin teacher did when I was a little kid.
I ended up hating all my lessons, losing interest in the violin, and quitting.
yeh realistically its the most efficient teaching way, but it fails in that its unfun and you dont get to do any cool stuff to keep you motivated to continue. people are not movie characters that a plot demands they push through a few montage scenes. in reality ur doing 100's of lessons and drills grinding out 1000's of hrs of work, not a 2hr movie run time worth of training.
Nice certain point of view reference and great video. 🎉
Don’t think we didn’t catch that reference….it’ll take more than that to sneak a quote past me!
You'd have to get up PRETTY LATE in the afternoon to pull as fast one on me!
recently read master & apprentice and this scene really stuck with me! so good!
Qui Gon is the one of the best Jedi
Qui-Gon Jinn and Uncle Iroh: “You must master the basics”
Qui gong is a legend because if you have the high ground you are safe
“So I was teaching you lightsaber forms, from a certain point of view.”
Straight up Mister Miyagied Obi-wan
Anakin would've thrown like 20 tantrums by the time he realized Qui-Gon's reasoning
Nice tie in with the Danial son reference 👌
Obi’s defense is masterclass. In the clone wars when he fights maul and oppress he was an absolute rock and even broke oppresses leg in the process
To be real here, this is so true in Martial Arts. Foot form is so much more important than a bunch of fancy moves, and much more practical when fighting. You can make up your own form as you go along.
I would love to watch a series about Qui gon training Obi-Wan, there was a lot of drama during this time and it would be neat to see more of the backstory
It makes sense. It’s always good to master the fundamentals of a skill so that you can fully master said skill when you learn it
All great masters their students not only the foundations, But why those foundations are important.
He taught One of the greatest Jedi Masters of all time using this technique. That should be respected.
Master...would you teach me the ways of the force?
Quai-Gon: Ok, go wax those droids.
Obi : I don't like how you teach !
Qui gon: have you seen the karate kid, young grasshopper ?
😂😂😂
It's important to know "the ground" basics, it may help you in the most important fights of your life later on
1000 days of practice for discipline. 10,000 days of practice for mastery.
- Miyamoto Musashi -
Mr. Miyagi: UP! DOWN! UP! DOWN!
In the phantom menace I missed this aspect of qui gon gin. It never felt like he was teaching obi wan Kenobi anything in that movie.
In the novelizations Mace credits Obi Wan with being The master of the basic defensive stance Soresu, form III. He also points out that Grievous was most likely defeated by most masters on the council but his worst odds were against Obi Wan since he had totally and utterly mastered a basic form.
This is basically what sports is like. Even professional athletes sometimes have to have their entire throwing/hitting/running mechanics completely reworked from the ground up. They’ve always gotten by on sheer ability, but then they get in with the big boys and all the things they’re used to getting away with simply don’t work anymore against better, more fundamentally sound players. So they have to relearn how to do everything the correct way.
Qui Gon believes in Obi Wan that Obi Wan can taught himself and Qui Gon want to see their natural basic fighting. 👍👍
Qui Gon was truly a great Jedi
It’s always the ones with the fundamentals and the basics sharpened that turn out to be the greats
"A certain point of view?" 😂
The same frustration as Anakin had.
Obi wan and Anakin were both hot heads …i love them so much
as a martial artist and a teacher of it, i can mostly understand and appreciate what qui gon was trying to do. however, in tae kwon do, the whole entire purpose of its forms are to teach the body to move as one with the basics (and to expose your body to other moves like elbow strikes, chops, etc.). in fact, that’s how its like in a lot of martial arts. however in star wars, their forms are slightly different as they represent different fighting styles technically, so his reasoning makes more sense here.
I have always noticed that Obi Wan had lacked any and all forms of Martial Arts in his swordsmanship. Now I know why.🙏🏼✝️
Obi-Son!!!
Show me, drive the ball.
Show me, chop the wood.
Good. Now show me close the blinds.
I saw a video that says qui gon taught obi wan ataru when he was younger because he was quite hot headed much like anakin and form 4 fit his personality (which is why his kyber crystal is blue not green because he wasnt the humble jedi he was in the films until he was older). However obi wan decided to switch up and study the defensive form 3 after qui gon died because he saw the lack of the defence to the front of the body and it humbled him
Qui Gon wanted to make sure he understood the basics. Obi Wan then became *the* master of Form 3. One of the basics.
I think it worked.
Qui-Gon just wanted to teach Obi-Wan about the high ground
That's how you should be taught, without a solid foundation to build on it takes longer to master something
A very interesting analysis with a very interesting parallel in the Karate Kid (1984)
"A… defensive technique. But effective. Use it if you do not wish to be hit, or if you are facing many opponents with blasters. With a lightsaber blade and enough skill in deflection, it is an excellent offense against blasters, but in other situations, it merely delays the inevitable."
―Kreia
Thats why i review the basics sometimes even though i have been training in martial arts for 6 years the basics are the entire skeleton of any fighting style even if you are experienced its good to begin at step one sometimes to keep your self in tip top shape
Young people want the flash, teachers want the basics.
Wax on, wax off Obi San
Obi-Wan Kenobi, master of Soresu, is officially the Jedi Kid.
"Practice doesn't make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect." ~Ted Buot
Did anyone else instantly think of the High Ground, because that is a basic advantage in any fight
From that encounter with the Maul, they had an excellent team zigzag thing going until they got separated. It would seem that he had every confidence in his apprentice in that life and death fight or else he would have had him stand down. Turns out to be the fight and kill that made him a Knight
Qui Gon learned that from Dooku, the Best lightsaber warrior.
This is why as a Padawan he was able to best Maul. He was above average with actual training and hard work
A great master would teach his students patience first
Patience and knowing to straight wins the battle
And that’s how Obi Wan took the high ground.
Qui Gon helped Obi Wan build a solid foundation so that he could one day stand on higher ground
Ahh, legends content
Sooo, Qui Gon was the most suitable Jedi master of all time? Yeah we knew that bro haha love your video!
You ended with, “from a certain point of view.” I see what you did there lol.
"Show me 'Paint Fence'."
I can’t wait until Disney wises up and make a clone wars/rebels/bad batch style retelling of episodes 1-6 with extreme detail and different points of view. I want to see qui gon finishing obi wans training before episode 1. I want to see obi wan training anakin between episode 1-2.
He saw Obi-Wan studying the forbidden fruit ninja techniques and worried about Obi-Wans desire for severing limbs.
Obi-Wan's ability to change up his stance is how he would later defeat Darth Maul with ease.
Quigon taught obiwan the most important lesson, always get the high ground
Qui-gon: you must perfect the stance of the High ground.
Episode 3 later on
Learning the basic stances and footwork it's the foundation in which all martial arts are based on.