Get kidnapped once: Shame on you Get kidnapped twice: Shame on the writer Go through a training arc to stop getting kidnapped only to get kidnapped a third time AND someone is hurt/killed trying to save you: You are officially a liability.
Have you heard the tale of Blue Angel the Useless? She is a duelist from the planet Yugioh VRains and she is said to be the ultimate culmination of the female supporting lead character in Shonen anime, a character formula the Mangaka Lords have been trying to perfect for decades: 1) She begins the series described as one of the most famous and amazing superstars of said world and one of couple best duelists in the entire online realm the setting takes place in. 2) Her first duel is against the Shonen protagonist-kun which is a bad sign already. To make matters worse, the generic bad guy organization brainwashes her and gives her better cards and all around makes her better, because her deck is considered garbage by their sophisticated edgelord standards. Needless to say, despite the "improvements" she loses handily when her one trick is busted by the Wise Protagonist-kun, breaking her entire deck in the process. 3) While moping about this incident, she gets kidnapped by the same evil organization of "relatable" Shonen edgelords and put to sleep in a big tower. The Great Protagonist-kun must ascend said tower and battle edgelord organization of hackers on his way up. Despite what was just described, he clearly states multiple times he doesn't give a shit about the useless girl and her cooties and is only doing the tower gauntlet to beat every mean haxor in Yugioh online. The last duel of this sub-quest is against Blue Angel's brother, who has dueled maybe once or twice before and he puts up way better fight against Handsome Protagonist-kun than his superstar hotshot sister with Satsui no Hado enhancements did. 4) After deciding she's been very useless for two entire arcs, Blue Angel boosts her deck and decides to suck less. She even wins a duel against a useless jobber who is also a girl, rendering Blue Angel's main disadvantage inert and letting her come out on top in the duel. 5) She then goes on a gauntlet together with Awesome Protagonist-kun to save Yugioh Online and runs into Antagonist-san's right-hand man. The two engage in a battle of ideals and after 1546 times that second rate bad guy sticks out his tongue like a cool edgelord character he easily beats the main female lead, forcing Amazing Protagonist-kun to backtrack and have to win her duel for her as well as defeat the main bad guy of the arc. Despite playing a children's card game, Blue Angel somehow manages to fly up 40 feet into the air and faceplant, nearly killing herself after losing as well. 6) After the obligatory season and opening change, Blue Angel goes through offscreen training and changes her gimmick (that's literally a thing, gimmicks are literally a thing and characters can turn "heel" and "face" like f***ing pro-wrestlers) into Blue Girl. She also heavily revamps her deck only to lose the first duel she participates in after her training arc to stop sucking so much and gets sidelined for the rest of the season. 7) Realizing she's goddamn useless, Blue Girl obtains the main power-up of the series - an AI that belonged to her childhood friend and sets out to battle alongside the Unbeatable Protagonist-kun to save her friend who is kidnapped and in a coma (because of course). She proceeds to lose the duel against the guy holding her hostage who wasn't even in his final form (literally he goes through multiple forms and battles the Indomitable Protagonist-kun like 5 times in that season and Blue Maiden (she underwent another gimmick change after losing last time) lost to his 3rd iteration out of five and got sidelined for the rest of the season. Forgot to mention she switches her deck out completely this season because she needed to market new cards but she forgot to win a single duel to show her cards off in the first place. 8) Realizing how goddamn trash she is, she cheers on the Unstoppable Protagonist-kun from the sidelines as he does her job for her and concludes her character arc for her during the rest of the excellently written season. P.S. PEOPLE ACTUALLY LIKE THIS SHOW AND THINK IT'S ONE OF THE BEST YUGIOH SHOWS!
Hey. In fairness, Hinata got kidnapped/captures several times, and a few peeps have outright died because of it. Her Uncle, and her Cousin in particular as standout examples. It really is how the writing is handled/portrayed. Hinata still best girl.
Worse still, Kishimoto claims he tried to write Sakura’s feelings for Sasgay “as realistic as possible” but girls still sent him letters complaining about this bullshit.
@@li-limandragon9287 It was realistic, and that was part of the problem. Young girls don't want to be told "BUT HE'S HOT THOUGH" isn't a valid reason to be obsessively in love with someone.
waj9876 It’s realistic only if you factor in Sakura being 12 years old in part 1. Unless Sakura has Hybristophilia she *should’ve* realistically stopped loving Sasuke in Part 2 when he was going to either Chidori her face or slit her throat. Kishimoto is an idiot to think any relationship could possibly work after that and sends a really terrible message to girls in general.
waj9876 By itself Sakura’s obsessively shallow crush isn’t the worst thing in the world. What IS the worst thing in the world is that three years later and after sasuke becomes a full blown terrorist she still hasn’t grown out of it. So much so that she even later has a child with him and sasuke fucks off for another 12 years but she convinces herself that this is was the right decision. That’s now kind of the worst.
Thrilla Whale Can’t forget how Sakura has plaster her own face on photo of Karin just so she can have a picture together with Sasuke. It’s one of the most fucked of relationships in all fiction, Kishimoto could’ve been merciful and given Sakura a decent husband or kept her single as recompense, but nooo she isn’t allowed to have character development.
@@djnosleeves85 Yeah, only Woolie described it completely wrong. Sakura's plan was "Confess to Naruto, so he stops following Sasuke for my sake and i will go and kill Sasuske, or more likely die trying" Still a dumb plan, but not as dumb as the thing Woolie was describing.
@@mongooseunleashed In a way it was actual good story of "I don't want two people i care about killing each other, especially Naruto that is actually doing good", but i'm super emotional so this very flawed plan is the best i can do. Execution probably wasn't that great, but at least it made more sense when the headcannon nonsense reasons Woolie came up with.
@@AceKuper Actually no he didn't. He said: Whether or not she was lying to him or herself (which it was both honestly), she is still terrible for even trying to pull that bullshit on Naruto. It was terribly manipulative of her.
God, I can't wait for Woolie to learn that Orochimaru just gets to hang out in the Leaf. Like, no big deal, he's just our Friendly Neighborhood Dr Mengele.
I have been waiting for that moment for soooo long. Like dude killed 2 Kages and bombed the village with snake kaiju...... But since he helped a little bit at the end of the ninja war he gets a free pass.
@@bkzomen1 When Chichi reminded Goku she loved him, Goku asked her to marry him on the spot. When Hinata *saved* Naruto's fucking life, Naruto forgot about it until later, to the point of flirting with *Sakura* to his *Dad.* That's an easy point in Goku's favor. Also, before you @me, I don't watch Super or Boruto. Both sequels fucking suck.
@@bearandthebull2372I doubt it. Obito no longer needed his eye drops to see after awakening his Sharingan. And I'm pretty sure, hashiramas cells woulda been too busy healing a half flattened body, rather than focus on (at the time) shit like eyesight. And Obito is still healing when his Sharingan is off, and his vision becomes clear.
bijuu-dama, the tailed beast bomb, is a literal nuke analog and nagato was planning to use the ten-tails as his instigator for a ninja-era Mutually Assured Destruction plan. so, yeah, naruto is VERY LITERALLY a walking nuke, and since kurama is unsealed at the end of the story, if kurama ever gets mad enough, he can totally just launch off a city-killer without naruto's input.
@@fightingmedialounge519 no, he can't, not without entering his inner space and dueling kurama for dominance again. that's the downside of being a jinchuriki with an unlocked beast, while it offers you more power, the beast gains more freedom and control. with most of the other beasts, that's not a problem because they're pretty calm, but with kurama and shukaku as ill-tempered as they are, they're more likely to just lash out at random. just look at naruto having to speak to kurama to calm him down after one of the shin clones in boruto stabbed naruto. there was nothing physically stopping kurama from lashing out, it was just naruto keeping him calm that stopped a rampage.
@@Yal_Rathol except yes he can. This was shown when he locked him back up after getting his chakara and again when kurama was talking about how naruto couldn't stop war. The reason he didn't against the shin clone was because it was unnecessary.
@@fightingmedialounge519 you're talking about when he entered the inner space and dueled kurama, if i recall the sequence of events correctly. the point is that he can't do it on a whim, at any time.
Naruto - "I want to become the hokage and become accepted by the village." Sasuke - "I want to get revenge for the murder of my clan and family." Sakura - "I want to hook up with Sasuke because he's hot."
The thing about Sakura is at the very START of Shippuden, she had a while there where she was no longer as focused on Sasuke and she took the time to get to know Naruto and the struggles he goes through as a Jinchuuriki, she even got protective of him when Sai tried to rile Naruto up after they first met. She had a really good slow build that made you think "Oh fuck she may actually become a much better character who is focused on protecting the people that are still in her life." Sasuke stopped mattering, only Naruto was Gung Ho about it and she was like "I'm worried about you chasing him" This is actually shit that was happening in early Shippuden. AND THEN, right after the Pain arc where Konoha gets nuked and Naruto becomes the village hero, RIGHT AFTER, one of the cloud ninja say to Sakura "What is Sasuke to you" I kid you not, she suddenly has a complete breakdown and in that single page her entire character dies. From this point on, all of her motivation changes into the dumbest fucking nonsense ever with "fake" switching sides to Sasuke and her false confession to Naruto claiming they can settle down and forget Sasuke as though Naruto is dumb enough to buy that. The moment that breakdown happened, what little good will as a character she had built, was just utterly invalidated and deleted. It was unbelievable and I am still so mad about Kishimoto doing that to her.
Kishi wanted to her be kind of annoying and represent the cruelty Leaf Village has towards to Naruto, but fucked up and made a waste of character. The worst part is during Part 2 Sakura is a better character when Sasuke is nowhere near her... her literal motivation makes Sakura a worse character. Tsunade is everything Sakura should be, but isn't.
She wasn't being protective of Naruto with Sai, she was protective of Sasuke, who Sai was rightfully badmouthing. She was still dick crazy over Sasuke even at the beginning of "Shipuuden", which is why she froze from arousal when seeing him again after all these years when they got to Oro's hideout, where he first tried to kill her.
The doctor Manhattan thing is even worse, since with the actual blue dong, he can just be in two places at once and split his attention equally. Naruto very clearly has a real one, and bunch of fake clones. The clones are noticeably lower in quality too, so you know he was prioritising his job as more important than his kids. If he'd gone home and left a bunch of clones in the office, nobody would have complained. Naruto made the concious decision that this paperwork demanded his personal attention, and his son's birthday did not.
Honestly getting to that point in the series where its revealed Naruto keeps not physically showing up to shit with his family is when I put Boruto down. I didn't last long into the series lol
On the characters with a body count getting redeemed, it reminds me of one from an old FE game where he was like "I comitted so many atrocities, I should kill myself to repay the debt". And the protagonist is "You're not getting the easy way out! You're gonna help us save lives in order to compensate the ones you took."
@@CNightmare072 The difference with dimitri is that he didn't suddenly start attacking innocents,and his sole reason wasn't "My brother was secretly the coolest,so let me destroy the one thing he gave his life for".
"Sakura is a perfect character, layered as a thousand-year onion with more dimensions than a computer can count up to, her story is a true Shakesperean tragedy on par with that which has sculptured our understanding of literature and culture as a whole. It's just that Kishimoto wrote her entirely differently to what she is, which is to say, completely opposite to what I've just described" ~ Sakura fandom
That part honestly made me laugh my ass off and went "That plan was so obvious that Naruto, THE DUMBASS, Saw through it IMMEDIATELY! That's HILARIOUS."
@@ShadowWolfRising Hilarious indeed. In the end, she wasn't allowed to be the smart one, or the wise one, or the compassionate one of the Team 7 trio. Truly pathetic.
Reminder: Sarada, Sasuke and Sakara's daughter, spent most of her life not knowing her father so that when she went out on her own to look for him he *mistook his own daughter for an enemy ninja AND ALMOST KILLED HER HIS OWN DAUGHTER!!*
Also there's a "running gag" where Sasuke purposely refuses to give Sakura (his fucking wife) any physical affection such as kisses when she wants it... what the hell is wrong with you Kishimoto.
reminder, sakura and sasuke are such bad parents that sarada wasn't convinced she was related to EITHER OF THEM until her sharingan awoke. naruto might be a pretty bad dad, but at least his kids know he's their father and at least they've spent enough time together that they all know what each other look like.
At least Naruto had an excuse "If I can't save Sasuke, how can I be a Hokage?" so it was a way to test his savior qualities too. Sakura is just "I love him, the rest doesn't matter".
@@machine1685 Hokage are meant to be the strongest of all the shinobi in the village. Both in will and physicality. So saving Sasuke is a personal thing that proves Naruto's will to not give up on somebody. One could argue that him beating Pain pretty much did that already, but saving Sasuke is a lot less "im doing this for everyone else" for Naruto. More, "I'm doing this for me" I suppose.
@@Willowposting When you put that way I can understand that. Naruto beating Pain proves his physicality (I mean, before the war arc but thats neither here or there) and not giving up on Sasuke proves his will. I can see that train of thought. Thanks.
Not much an excuse when he could also ask himself “Can I put my own emotions aside for the greater good of my people and village? If I refuse to let go of one personal connection when it is an active threat to the people I wish to someday lead, do I really deserve to lead them in the first place? How can anyone in the village willingly follow a man who would throw their lives away just for a chance to rekindle an old friendship?”
Reminder that Sakura IN-UNIVERSE exists and is part of Team 7 *only* to serve as a foil to encourage Sasuke and Naruto to become rivals. Thanks, Danzo.
@@ZhadoxFlamez I think its mentioned he pushed to have sasuke and naruto under kakashi as a check on both of them, kakashi to mentor and keep sasuke in check, and sasuke's developing of a sharingan keeping naruto in check. could be remembering wrong, its was one of those extra anime scenes so its probably not actually canon.
I used to think her having perfect management of her chakra would would be her thing but when the other 2 are just dump chakra with no worries of management
Just here to remind people that they should ignore anything the Sakura and Sasuke fanboys say. Remember that the Sakura fanboys went into ape shit hard denial of the ending for almost two years straight (I think secretly they still might be going) to the point that the Sonic fanbase was disappointed in them. As for the Sasuke fanboys, they will excuse every bad thing any Uchiha does by claiming "but they were sad though so it's understandable".
“THIS IS A FAKE ENDING! THE REAL ENDING WILL COME OUT SOON! FAKE LEAKS”. I can’t believe that’s real...but it is. I was there on the day it happened. The Hall of Devastation is perfect.
Plague did a good video on villains where he mentions a character called Nox who everyone just knew as an evil murderer who rampaged and killed tons of people. In reality you find out he's trying to gather enough energy to rewind time far enough to fix all of his mistakes and undo everythiing. The heroes never find this out and just view him as a purely evil psycho. I thought that was a really neat touch.
Nod was technically right, All he had to do was keep going and after guiding people to live amongst the stars, kill *TRILLIONS* of people instead, But after his soul was crushed I guess it’s a moot point
Nox is what all well written villains should strive to be, if you the viewer kinda wants them to win then you've got yourself a good wonderful antagonist. I'd put Netflix Castlevainia’s Dracula in that category too.
Ikr, I heard people go on about how her feelings become genuine when she sits awkwardly by his bedside in the hospital which is total BS. It’s also feels false later when Sakura fucking nose bleeds later over emo on emo action like Master Roshi. She has literally has no reason to like Sasuke beyond him being kinda hot.
1:10 There's a distinction between a shitty character and the author *only* when the author intends for the character to be shitty and it works. But if a character is shitty and it's unintentional, Pat's 100% correct. In that case, the writer failed super hard.
I don't understand why Sakura is written so inconsistently(showing most of her bad traits, her awesome moments being so far in between most people thinks she didn't do anything, her promises to get stronger aren't kept until Kishimoto needs them to be(aka he couldn't think of a way for naruto or kekashi to save the day at the moment), and ect.
It his ignorance on Kurama that's really painful for me. He did bad things because he's sad and lonely. No Woolie he did it because the people his father died believing in perverted his teachings and constantly fought and murdered each other so much that they used him and his siblings as weapons. Leaving out the fact he also felt every negative emotion within miles all the time. I'm not saying Naruto is perfect far far from it but I understand Kurama I can comprehend why he was like that.
Nah his dislike of sasuke too, his dislike of the writing, his love of lee, his respect for itachi, his jokes on the ninja magic etc woolie's not 200% correct but he's not any more wrong than anyone who sees a villain murder half a village even without the sharigan and goes. "He has to atone in some way." His jokes are no more than just that. He's not literally going "He does this because sad, there swing." it's no more shooting the shit with friends like you or I would XD
I feel incredibly vindicated hearing that Pat and Woolie agree with me on the notion that that poor girl in Jurassic World got it the worst of ANYONE in those movies for no reason at all! She did nothing to deserve getting swallowed ALIVE. That's the literal worst way one could get eaten by dinosaur. The stupid, ACTUALLY LITERALLY EVIL, dinosaur gets drowned or its neck broken before it gets eaten. FUCK that movie.
@@harlannguyen4048 Okay, sure. But that's not the character on display. Saying there's deleted footage of her kicking a puppy or whatever doesn't change the absolute brutality of her death. Unless the deleted footage shows her letting the LITERAL EVIL DINOSAUR out of it's cage while screaming "Yes! Kill everyone! Especially those two brats I was forced to watch by my boss!" There's just no justifying how awful it is to watch her get brutalized for a full minute.
Ahh phooey, Eddie Carr was a damn hero in The Lost World and his reward was being torn in half by two T-rex. Don't nobody care about that fodder chick.
The moment that made me go "Fuck Kishimoto and Sakura" was in the last few chapters Sakura had a chapter dedicated to her where she talked about how much she's grown, had a big panel where she protected Naruto and Sasuke from an attack, and standing proud and in front of them... Only for the next page have them save her and she returns to being useless.
@@Yal_Rathol He literally achieves immortality, which was his goal the whole time. The real reason he's able to go 'free' is because he's basically a walking trillion ninja-dollar asset that can do anything you ask him to, and he'll go above and beyond with the product.
@@Valanway and that excuses his crimes against humanity, which he continues to perpetrate? particularly since karin has taken over one of his labs and has access to his research notes?
I feel it is because he's going through the same I went years ago, dropping the show when the filler became unbearable only to return via word of mouth and see how it all came rolling down from there
The problem is, Sakura is so poorly written as a character you _can't_ criticize her as one. That's more than she deserves. Kishimoto has openly stated he's not good at writing romance, and romance is her entire character. She's deadass not enough of a character to be judged, even harshly. As boring as it is to just say author's bad therefor character bad, that's just the irreparable fact of the matter. Edit: On Pat asking why the Shadow Clones were banned, we don't really know. We can infer that because it splits your chakra evenly with each new clone, and a certain amount of chakra is necessary to keep living, it's possible you'd eventually clone yourself to death. Either that or the memory accumulation part of it would turn your brain into liquid shit if done too much.
Just because kishimoto made kurenai a useless pregnant widow,and had a character tell her that she needed to stay safe ONLY to make babies,doesn't mean he's sexist.
@Jay It was not. The Second Hokage (the objectively best one) invented it. Also, if you count the anime's canonicity, Darui can do it. Does that make sense? No, and that's why you never count the anime.
@@bearandthebull2372 I really don't think he's sexist as much as he's hilariously incompetent. Sure, basically every female character gets shafted in one way or the other, but he hardly does the dudes any more justice. He conceptualized a lot of really interesting characters, and utterly shit the bed in terms of implementing them.
@Jay Hashirama gave each of the budding hidden villages basically nukes in the bijuu, which they then proceeded to use with extreme prejudice while culturally institutionalizing ostracizing the people containing them. If that's not a melon move, I don't know what is.
Fun fact: Naruto's whiskers let him sense Thottery. That's why he didn't fall for Sakura's scheme... Well, the fact she was absurd and unconvincing might have had something to do with it, as well.
I remember a fanfic crossover with Naruto and Justice league, Batman gives Sakura the dating within the team leads to disaster conversation. It has some effect on her. Some. Still better than Canon. Edit: Also, later in the fic Sakura has a small conversation with Harley Quinn. The story pulls a really good not so different moment between the two. Even Sakura realizes this herself. The fic is called Connecting the Dots for those interested.
Beside Naruto She was the only person able to recognize a white Zetsu transformed into a member of the shinobi alliance, she kept Naruto alive when he got the tailed beasts extracted, punching Kaguya so she couldn't escape from being sealed,...
VenomFuryX these all felt like she was shoved into these scenes to keep her relevant. No matter how good these scenes are (and it’s debatable). She never could escape the bad writing that created her character in the first place. A shallow teen with boy problems.
Oh god I remember that "confession" And Naruto calls her out on it saying "Yea, no, your lying." but it was of the context of Naruto's upbringing being so fucked that when someone tells him hes loved, his instinct is to go "Yea no, that can't be true." Doesn't help that its Sakura.
oh my god I can't believe my childhood was DBZ and Naruto instead of Avatar. I'm glad I marathoned the fuck out of avatar before reading your comment, because it's so damn _true_
I like how Sarada latches onto Naruto and treats him like father she never got. She's the only character who points out how fucking ungrateful Boruto is when it comes to parents.
We need EyePatchWolf to go back to Woolie and make him watch even more HxH so we can have the opposite of this where Pat gushes about HxH and Woolie just nods and goes Yeeeeaaaah!
I feel like that series of woolie watching HxH could have worked if he talked about more than one episode per... episode. That way it didnt feel like as much of a waste of a time slot.
I want Woolie to just give Pat weekly reports of the Naruto story as the LPs go on. Specifically things like Kisame being a real ass Shark, Itachi playing 4D Chess with the ninja world even after he died, and daddy taking half of the big bad fox to the grave.
If I was Kishi I would've had Sakura remain single at the end knowing her feelings impacted her skills as a ninja and she becomes like Tsuande. But nope.
@@li-limandragon9287 yes! Totally agree. Either that or she ends up with one of the many other side characters for a total wtf shes with him/her moment.
And when sai comes back to really tell naruto about there plan to kill sasuke, naruto has an actual panic attack and passes out at the thought of sasuke dying. At this point he knows sasuke has apparently captured and killed another jinchuriki, which when it was Gaara he was ready to rip there heads off, but when sasuke has seemingly done it he’s begging for him to be forgiven.
I forgot I was watching this earlier so when I clicked on the video it started with Woolie saying "Guess what? I love you" and pat getting all shocked and excited. Thought this was going somewhere different.
Remember girls if that guy doesn't like you and actively tries multiple times to kill you, just keep insisting you love him and following after him for years, and you'll wear him down to where he will eventually marry you.
Sakura has two cool moments, the fight where she cuts her hair and nearly dies defending Sasuke and Naruto and her Three Sannin moment against the 10 tails. In both of those moments, she is IMMEDIATELY overshadowed by other characters.
Also the Sasori fight, saving Kankuro, Hinata, and Naruto's lives(basically brought him back to life), and got recognized by Shizune and the first hokage as surpassing Tsunade.
@@SailorMewMew100 In all of those moments the spotlight is immediately stolen by another character, Naruto literally gains the ability to just save a persons life by touching them for a second which invalidates her even more.
@@SailorMewMew100 I wouldn't count the bringing Naruto back to life part too hard, because I'm semi sure that the healing actually did nothing and it was all Ninja God in that moment.
@@jacobsmith4428 She kept his heart beating long enough for Ninja god to bring him back to life, her actual attempt at saving him by getting the other half of the 9-tails inside of him failed.
@@en4135 If Naruto as Ninja Jesus can save Gai from crumbling to literal ash, I'm somewhat certain Ninja God wouldn't be defeated by a heart not pumping.
Actual deep lore: the shadow clone thing was banned because it's both OP and it drains way too fucking much ninja mana making it a death trap for young aspiring ninjas. It's so stupidly OP that Naruto literally brute forces his way to becoming a God. Plague did a whole fucking video on it obviously but it's infuriating that the premise of Naruto was that working hard and believing in yourself can overcome all obstacles. Yet Naruto is literally the least qualified asshole but because he's a chosen one descendant of literal ninja Christ with an actual nuke in his gut and forbidden magic he can rise to the upper echelons of society.
Shiki ain't become hokage because he helps the "King", he had the foresight to know Naruto was going to need the smarter person on his corner to make the right decisions.
Why be the smarter person that "helps" then just be the smart person in charge? Naruto hasn't really shown any competency in being a Hokage other than power so what good is he on a desk?
@@luckytiger4779 Because the Hokage so far have always been the strongest guy around. It's not a position built on competence, it's a position based on power
@@luckytiger4779 Having a figurehead everyone trusts. Having the big hero of the village/world tell you he has a plan is reassuring; having some nobody tell it instead, people ignore it. To use something current at the risk of getting too political, Trump draws all the attention to himself, partly due to straight name recognition, the rest being a giant meme generator. This allows Pence to actually get shit done behind the scenes. Now, I don't know if that's actually true, but the comparison is still unfortunately apt to Prez Naruto and VP Shiki.
Sometimes I forget canon Sakura is trash tier and isn't the confidant self sufficient power house fun punch girl that drops Sasuke like a bad habit and marries Ino instead that lives inside my head.
That would honestly be pretty interesting. We see more of those two together than we see Sakura with Sasuke. It wouldn't be hard to believe that two life long friends/rivals started out fighting over a boy but grew up and realized they didn't really like him. It also wouldn't be hard to believe that they could fall for each other. Wow, that is way better than the cannon.
@Jay I'm not saying that they would 'turn gay out of spite', just that there was more potential for story with them if it turned out their crush wasn't real at all.
@Jay "I think Ino and Sakura would have been a more interesting pairing." "OH SO YOU THINK JIRAIYA AND OROCHIMARU SHOULD HAVE ASS FUCKED EACH THEN, HUH!?"
*Exactly* Kishimoto can’t claim that he made Sakura’s feelings “realistic” when she’s had more conversations with a dog than the guy she apparently loves.
Li-Li Mandragon you know the worst part? She hasn’t changed. Adult Sakura is still just as submissive and shallow as she was in the first episode. She still waiting for Sasuke to come back and return her feelings for him. And its still just as pathetic.
Same can be said for majority of the romances in Naruto even naruto and hinata feel pretty underwhelming outside the pain fight and Nejis death. Some of the characters didn't even meet through the story and ended up together.
My only defense for Sakura at all (she's seriously terrible) is that she is a much better character when Sasuke isn't involved in the story/being talked about at all. Sakura saving Kankuro/doing her medical ninja stuff was good, Sakura helping defeat Sasori was good, but the problem is that 99% of her character revolves around Sasuke, and he seriously snubs out any hope or potential of her becoming a better character.
Pat he can’t handle the mental strain, that’s the limiter. He’ll literally fry himself out if he does the Shadow clone jutsu forever. He also can’t continually sustain them forever actively. He’s always physically exhausted from the clones he uses now.
that's an issue of him getting proper restand not burning himself out, there's still nothing wrong with him sending out a few clones a day to practice a technique and have it mastered while doing literally no work.
It’s even funnier when you realize that Sakuras motivation isn’t JUST that she thought that male friend from middle school was hot, but that she thought that boy from middle school /who got suspended and later expelled from school after almost murdering her OTHER close friend TWICE in the span of like a week and then moved away to JOIN THE CULT that just did a terrorism on her hometown and assassinated their president like a month or two prior/ was really hot.
There is actually a reason Jurassic World's baby sitter lady died so hard. Her actress was a semi-big name at the time (had or still has her own TV show) and she was going to be the first woman to die in the movie franchise so she demanded the death to be the most outrageous death the series ever did so far.
And its because of big wet blanket takes like these two chucklefucks that a new precedent was set going forward "ONLY BAD GUYS GET KILLED BY DINOSAURS" and the movies WENT TO SHIT with Chris Pratt using his stupid Star wars force suggestion powers on every carnivore he comes into conflict with. The fact that they even use the term "Villain Dinosaur" is so god damn stupid. Never, NEVER should the phrase "villain dinosaur" be uttered in the context of Jurassic Park, the entire horror appeal of the franchise is the brutality and unfeeling chaos of natures teeth, how ruthless the animal kingdom is and the hubris of man for thinking they could control it.
24:00 Pat, to get you angrier, naruto doesn't address that until over half way into the story. He gets the power in chapter 1,doesn't find out he can remember everything until chapter like 300
and it takes Kakashi to even conceive that the idea is possible - a feat that Kakashi is proud of... as if it isn't common knowledge. :P EDIT: Replace "common knowledge" with "a thought anyone could come up with if I put an iota of creative consideration towards the idea of shadow clones."
@@Hitorio Most people don't try it because it's only useful when used in conjunction with Multi-shadow clone, which is forbidden for a reason, because it'll either just kill the user by using up all their chakra, or it'll drain them enough to knock them out, making them worthless in a fight or for recon. Only Uzimaki-clan or jonin+ with a ton of chakra can even make it work effectively, and for all but Naruto and co. it has major diminishing returns so there's not much of a point in trying
@@Valanway It only takes one shadow clone to utilize the effect. It can be used to give you 200% efficiency at something that doesn't require you to keep spawning clones (like academic reading). One Shadow Clone divides your chakra in half, so it's not that taxing to use for this purpose. Kishimoto assuming no one besides Kakashi would even have this IDEA is what's silly. If Kishimoto thinking his jutsu mechanics through metaphorically = fighting game developer making a fighting game: players would be breaking his game and doing all types of infinites and glitches because he didn't think about these "what if" scenarios.
Hold up... If Naruto can learn things by functionally hyperthreading the multi-core system that is him and his literal THOUSANDS of perfect clones, how is he still SOOOOO DUUUUUUMB!?
He has to keep that chakra ready in case it's needed for an emergency (mostly fights). Also the more clones the less time they have ever notice that the big clone army moments only last for a minute or two at most?
The5lacker Personality. Also he’s not dumb it’s just “oh, I literally have lifetimes of different knowledge in my head... how do I even remember my name with all these new memories?”. He’d have to constantly keep reading that shit for anything to stick and why do that when you can just get a clone to do it again? Nah, the real dumb shit is the forced family drama for no reason cause we really shouldn’t have Boruto be a series but maybe OVA’s at most to just check in on characters.
Someone needs to tell Woolie that once he's done with the main story he sticks around the show to watch both the epilogue which is everything after The Last until the wedding AND more importantly the adaptations of the Shikamaru and Sasuke novels and how they alongside Orochimaru become the patriots to Naruto's Solidus
I think they've forgotten just how bad the Jurassic World woman get its. She doesnt just get juggled into the mosasaur, the pterodactyls spend a whole minute crushing and drowning her in between the air combo and mosasaur
Remember when Orihime Inoue said that she wanted to be useful to Ichigo and then proceeded to help an enemy against him, and then not be useful at all afterwards
Yeah, but Orihime's powers were always more supportive than offensive, as seen when Yammy easily destroyed Tsubaki with little effort, but at least she tried, and even though she herself knew that she was outclassed, she still stood by Ichigo during his fight with Yhwach. I'd still say she'd a better character than Sakura in that regard, and while she does obsess a little over Ichigo, at least she has believable reasons for liking him.
@@kamikazelemming1552 I think a downside of all supporting characters written by Kubo just aren't useful or powerful enough and have to rely on lucky shots to win the fights that they do win, any battles we see them in, we just know they're going to lose. I still remember "Chad face down on the floor" became a running joke in the fandom.
The worst thing about Sakura that makes her so horribly written, is that her sense of respect is entirely based around strength, she looks down on every character UNTIL she see's how strong they are, suddenly even a creepo like Rock Lee is cool (and don't pretend he doesn't act creepy around Sakura the first few times they meet) when she see's how strong he actually is, because of that she is quite possibly the shallowest heroine in anime history, I haven't seen one that tops her without having redeeming qualities or a understandable backstory, she is truly the Karen queen of anime XD
So im Sakura and I'm in love with a murder and a guy that definitely want to kill my friends and more people.................... guess I should still be in love with him because I was in love with him when I was a kid. But hey there both awful so at least they deserve each other.
And raise his child you had nothing to do with and he will Never help or even say a kind word to you tothe point the the basic grunt is all she lives for.
When I was 12, I was a Sakura STAN. I truly didn't understand how poorly her character was written, and I was a similarly dumb preteen. Years and years later, I realize I only liked Sakura because I was gay lol
Alright, not that I'm judging younger you on taste, but this show had Temari in it. How was Sakura the one to make you peek out the closet, so to speak?
“Naruto’s gonna run that place into the ground!” But Konoha is the most successful and technologically developed then ever before in Boruto, okay Pat. He’s been a pretty decent Hokage. Edit: They also don’t vote for Hokage, there is no democracy. They are appointed by the Daimyō, they’re completely under the boot heal of the elite Pat.
No but shikimaru is "somewhat" smarter. He should automatically be the hokage and fuck over the entire fanbase for 15 years and screw Naruto over on getting the job ! /s Edit: Sacarsim guys. im disagreeing HEAVILY with pat on this
M.C Zandogg He actually does a really decent job. He does what a leader should, and delegate to the people below him, aka Shikamaru. Shikamaru doesn’t really have personality to be the main leader while Naruto has personal ties to every single current Kage and plenty of minor Kages along with his unrealistic can do and see the best out of everyone attitude it makes sense why Naruto is leader.
That's why Shikamaru isn't the Hokage. Naruto is there to be this giant figure head and beacon of hope and power. The leader of this village is a tactical nuke that helped kill a god and blew a hole in the moon. do you wanna fuck with that? Sasuke is his left hand and Shikamaru is his right. another nuke of a human. and then an actual tactical and practical genius who runs things with strategy and skill. The leaf should be untouchable now. (it kinda is, but it has reverse plot armor on it.)
Woolie to my surprise made me realize something. People praise Itachi is this strong and deep character, and he already was fascinating as just a villain, and when he gets to be the hero (Who genocide his family and friends) everyone lived him. But that came at the cost of turning Sasuke crazy for a while. Sasuke had this justified vengeance that you couldn't really argue with. Yeah he tried to kill Naruto, but he was pretty high on his curse powers at the time and Naruto attacked first when he tried to peacefully walk away. And even after time skip he is cold, but it was more professional/I have no time for you so leave or die. But with the Itachi reveal it broke his character.
On the subject of Naruto's tenure as Hokage, the thing people seem to ignore is that on a certain level he KNOWS he's not the absolute best man for the job, but it's the job he's wanted since childhood, and the job he's going to do to the best of his ability. That's why he surrounds himself with the people he personally knows are the best at what they do. That's also why he's never at home; because while he could very well delegate ALL his responsibilities to Shadow Clones, he makes a point of carrying out the most important duties himself. Even the most tedious time-consuming ones, like paperwork. I feel like if Naruto weren't the main character, people would better recognize his dedication.
The thing about Zuko’s redemption arc is that they stripped away everything that made a threat to the heroes and put him a situation where he could’ve just been happy with his uncle in that tea shop. Unlike Sasuke who gets a free pass and a handjob, Zuko earns and builds his redemption.
@@li-limandragon9287 It’s also great that not everyone in the group trusts him immediately. Katana literally corners him in his room and says “I don’t buy your story for a second and if you step a toe out of line I will put you in the ground.”
You can do a redemption-lite for a shitty character who isn't actually an enemy. Have a bunch of bad things happen to them, them have a change of heart and sign up with the main-character's philosophy.
I had no idea Naruto's Shadow Clone jutsu was THAT buff that he can pull a Dr. Manhattan and send copies of himself out to do tasks, and those memories will come back to him as if he did it himself. I'm suddenly envious of that ability.
Gonna put this here outside the thread Its actually really minor what Sasuke did within the naruto world. Compared to the Cloud constantly trying to kidnap little girls from the leaf(Kushina, Hinata), even doing so by violating a peace treaty resulting in the death of an innocent man,(who get butthurt on bee getting taken by Sasuke) The Stone village actively employing the Akatsuki, the terror group everyone gets upset about sasuke joining The Mist's tradition of having children murder one another and Mist kidnapping Rin and turning her into a nuke The Sand's unprovoked attack on the leaf All the fuckers we see Gaara kill who weren't a threat, and his sensei killing the Procter guy All the people its implied Kakashi assassinated when they talk about lightning blade and later his former time in anbu And those are just off the top of my head. Having it implied he killed a few samurai and killing Danzo (who technically became a criminal when he used Shusui's eye, and used to work with Orochimaru while he was a criminal) is like super minor. Never mind comparing it to other series like Vegeta who did NOT atone adequately by the time everyone accepted him. In fact its not even until the Super manga that we get an actual meaningful moment of Vegeta recognizing his past atrocities.
On a related note the fact people can accept Vegeta so easily but get so butthurt over Endeavor being even allowed the CHANCE to TRY and redeem himself is crazy. Genocide? Mass Murder? Terrorism? eh you can redeem yourself Off screen implied abuse? Fuck you, irredeemable!
@@In-The-Zone Vegeta takes the entire series to redeem himself though. On top of that he was raised to be that way in an entire society built around that (OG Broly is best Broly because he actually represents what a typical saiyan would expect from the Legendary Super Saiyan). He's an Anti-Villain (who relapses in the Buu Saga) up until his sacrifice but by then most of the series is over. Vegeta worked more or less because everyone continued to be weary of him but they were just too weak to really do anything about it and the only one who could do something was Goku...whose Goku. Endeavour on the other hand lives in real worldish place so his real worldish crimes are held to real worldish standards
See the mist children thing would be cool to explore, I mean I think had they gone ninja war vs other countries and less magic bs the whole series would have been better
I can understand the "I hate how character was written" argument if it was someone passed on to a new author, or someone who was written one way for a long time and then suddenly switched to some weird errant behavior for no discernible reason.
Regarding the redemptive character arc, pat pretty much nailed it. And another really good example is Zuko in ATLAB where he is unanimously hated by the hero troup. And even when he tries to appeal to them he is immediately shut down. And would've likely stayed that way if he wasnt the ONLY ONE on the entire continent that could teach Aang fire bending! If he wasnt entirely essential to further the hero's journey he would've been thrown off a cliff.
@@krism.6598 Naruto genetics = real world genetics? (Also turns out she got sick when she was young thats why she needs glasses some random itachi style disease).
I feel like the most important things about a redemption arc are remorse and sincerity, and I never felt that Sasuke, in the confines of the Naruto story (haven't seen Boruto), showed enough of those. He changes, sure, but it doesn't look like he really regretted doing the stupid shit he did. It's been a while since I read the manga though.
It’s because Sasuke has always been an introvert ever since he was a kid, and especially after the murder of his entire family by the one person he loved more than anything. He has never been one to show outward displays of emotion nor has he ever felt the need to express his feelings to anyone. So you’re never going to get him bawling his eyes out crying about how sorry he is to everyone. In his own way he does feel remorseful for his actions toward the people he has hurt.
OR, even better, a complete lack of either but you just be so cool that no one cares when you help defeat the final bad guy. Realistically, Viral never actually did anything to redeem himself in TTGL, but no one cares because he's Viral and now he's on the good guys team now.
There are two other things that are needed for redemption: 1: The character in question needs to experience some form of consequence. 2: The Moral Event Horizon remains uncrossed.
I'm going to steal a comment from the sub for this one. Sakura is so incompetent that she managed to give birth to an Uchiha that needs glasses.
That is s so fucking perfect. X'D
Haha holy *shit*
To be fair Obito needed eyedrops.
I spat my tea. God bless you, sir.
Technically she needs glasses cause of a disease she caught as a baby but whatever
Sasuke took Sakura as punishment for everything he did wrong.
Upvote for how ABSOLUTELY RIGHT this comment is.
only to pop one on her and then go for cigs for 12 years
LIVING THE DREAM
When you put it that way, I dont really feel so bad for dead beat dad Naruto anymore...
Hey, she GOT him. Naruto wanted to become Hokage and Sakura wanted Sasuke and SHE GOT HIM. Ino had to settle for Sai, whose basically a silver medal.
Is it really punishment if he just fucks off to do his own thing anyway?
"Yo Sasuke's gotta go! He used to be our boy, but he joined ISIS so he gotta go!"
Get kidnapped once: Shame on you
Get kidnapped twice: Shame on the writer
Go through a training arc to stop getting kidnapped only to get kidnapped a third time AND someone is hurt/killed trying to save you: You are officially a liability.
I feel like that should be an astounding amount of shame on the writer instead but idk
Oh yeah, if the writer doesn't want to invoke that reaction but they do anyway then it's absolutely on them. My bad for not clarifying that.
Have you heard the tale of Blue Angel the Useless? She is a duelist from the planet Yugioh VRains and she is said to be the ultimate culmination of the female supporting lead character in Shonen anime, a character formula the Mangaka Lords have been trying to perfect for decades:
1) She begins the series described as one of the most famous and amazing superstars of said world and one of couple best duelists in the entire online realm the setting takes place in.
2) Her first duel is against the Shonen protagonist-kun which is a bad sign already. To make matters worse, the generic bad guy organization brainwashes her and gives her better cards and all around makes her better, because her deck is considered garbage by their sophisticated edgelord standards. Needless to say, despite the "improvements" she loses handily when her one trick is busted by the Wise Protagonist-kun, breaking her entire deck in the process.
3) While moping about this incident, she gets kidnapped by the same evil organization of "relatable" Shonen edgelords and put to sleep in a big tower. The Great Protagonist-kun must ascend said tower and battle edgelord organization of hackers on his way up. Despite what was just described, he clearly states multiple times he doesn't give a shit about the useless girl and her cooties and is only doing the tower gauntlet to beat every mean haxor in Yugioh online. The last duel of this sub-quest is against Blue Angel's brother, who has dueled maybe once or twice before and he puts up way better fight against Handsome Protagonist-kun than his superstar hotshot sister with Satsui no Hado enhancements did.
4) After deciding she's been very useless for two entire arcs, Blue Angel boosts her deck and decides to suck less. She even wins a duel against a useless jobber who is also a girl, rendering Blue Angel's main disadvantage inert and letting her come out on top in the duel.
5) She then goes on a gauntlet together with Awesome Protagonist-kun to save Yugioh Online and runs into Antagonist-san's right-hand man. The two engage in a battle of ideals and after 1546 times that second rate bad guy sticks out his tongue like a cool edgelord character he easily beats the main female lead, forcing Amazing Protagonist-kun to backtrack and have to win her duel for her as well as defeat the main bad guy of the arc. Despite playing a children's card game, Blue Angel somehow manages to fly up 40 feet into the air and faceplant, nearly killing herself after losing as well.
6) After the obligatory season and opening change, Blue Angel goes through offscreen training and changes her gimmick (that's literally a thing, gimmicks are literally a thing and characters can turn "heel" and "face" like f***ing pro-wrestlers) into Blue Girl. She also heavily revamps her deck only to lose the first duel she participates in after her training arc to stop sucking so much and gets sidelined for the rest of the season.
7) Realizing she's goddamn useless, Blue Girl obtains the main power-up of the series - an AI that belonged to her childhood friend and sets out to battle alongside the Unbeatable Protagonist-kun to save her friend who is kidnapped and in a coma (because of course). She proceeds to lose the duel against the guy holding her hostage who wasn't even in his final form (literally he goes through multiple forms and battles the Indomitable Protagonist-kun like 5 times in that season and Blue Maiden (she underwent another gimmick change after losing last time) lost to his 3rd iteration out of five and got sidelined for the rest of the season. Forgot to mention she switches her deck out completely this season because she needed to market new cards but she forgot to win a single duel to show her cards off in the first place.
8) Realizing how goddamn trash she is, she cheers on the Unstoppable Protagonist-kun from the sidelines as he does her job for her and concludes her character arc for her during the rest of the excellently written season.
P.S. PEOPLE ACTUALLY LIKE THIS SHOW AND THINK IT'S ONE OF THE BEST YUGIOH SHOWS!
Hey. In fairness, Hinata got kidnapped/captures several times, and a few peeps have outright died because of it. Her Uncle, and her Cousin in particular as standout examples. It really is how the writing is handled/portrayed.
Hinata still best girl.
Hey, don't bully Yuna. She only has 82 guardians.
She is literally obsessed with a boy she never talks to just for his looks and that's her whole character.
Worse still, Kishimoto claims he tried to write Sakura’s feelings for Sasgay “as realistic as possible” but girls still sent him letters complaining about this bullshit.
@@li-limandragon9287 It was realistic, and that was part of the problem. Young girls don't want to be told "BUT HE'S HOT THOUGH" isn't a valid reason to be obsessively in love with someone.
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It’s realistic only if you factor in Sakura being 12 years old in part 1. Unless Sakura has Hybristophilia she *should’ve* realistically stopped loving Sasuke in Part 2 when he was going to either Chidori her face or slit her throat.
Kishimoto is an idiot to think any relationship could possibly work after that and sends a really terrible message to girls in general.
waj9876 By itself Sakura’s obsessively shallow crush isn’t the worst thing in the world. What IS the worst thing in the world is that three years later and after sasuke becomes a full blown terrorist she still hasn’t grown out of it. So much so that she even later has a child with him and sasuke fucks off for another 12 years but she convinces herself that this is was the right decision. That’s now kind of the worst.
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Can’t forget how Sakura has plaster her own face on photo of Karin just so she can have a picture together with Sasuke. It’s one of the most fucked of relationships in all fiction, Kishimoto could’ve been merciful and given Sakura a decent husband or kept her single as recompense, but nooo she isn’t allowed to have character development.
Pat's reaction to Sakura's "confession of love" gives me joy.
The fact he didn't know made It more enjoyable 😂
@@djnosleeves85 Yeah, only Woolie described it completely wrong. Sakura's plan was "Confess to Naruto, so he stops following Sasuke for my sake and i will go and kill Sasuske, or more likely die trying" Still a dumb plan, but not as dumb as the thing Woolie was describing.
@@mongooseunleashed In a way it was actual good story of "I don't want two people i care about killing each other, especially Naruto that is actually doing good", but i'm super emotional so this very flawed plan is the best i can do.
Execution probably wasn't that great, but at least it made more sense when the headcannon nonsense reasons Woolie came up with.
@@AceKuper Actually no he didn't. He said: Whether or not she was lying to him or herself (which it was both honestly), she is still terrible for even trying to pull that bullshit on Naruto. It was terribly manipulative of her.
"THE PREBOUND!"
God, I can't wait for Woolie to learn that Orochimaru just gets to hang out in the Leaf. Like, no big deal, he's just our Friendly Neighborhood Dr Mengele.
Still a better parent than sasuke.
I have been waiting for that moment for soooo long. Like dude killed 2 Kages and bombed the village with snake kaiju...... But since he helped a little bit at the end of the ninja war he gets a free pass.
Orochimaru is the ultimate Karma Houdini and i love him.
Well, if he read your comment, he already knows :)
@@DrAiPatch don't forget about those nameless children's bodies he took effectively killing them not to mention the ones he experimented on.
When Hinata saves him, Naruto goes "Damn, time to ignore her until the end of the series."
Right! Wouldn't the first thing he does be like, "hey, i heard what you said, lets talk about it."
Naruto is an idiot
Still ain't beat G9ku in stupid levels tho
@@kido2562 and they elected him as head of the villzge
@@bkzomen1 When Chichi reminded Goku she loved him, Goku asked her to marry him on the spot.
When Hinata *saved* Naruto's fucking life, Naruto forgot about it until later, to the point of flirting with *Sakura* to his *Dad.*
That's an easy point in Goku's favor.
Also, before you @me, I don't watch Super or Boruto. Both sequels fucking suck.
Always remember: Sakura managed to make an Uchiha that needs glasses
Isn't their sharingan separate from normal vision,like the byakugan?
@@bearandthebull2372I doubt it. Obito no longer needed his eye drops to see after awakening his Sharingan. And I'm pretty sure, hashiramas cells woulda been too busy healing a half flattened body, rather than focus on (at the time) shit like eyesight. And Obito is still healing when his Sharingan is off, and his vision becomes clear.
I'm losing my damn mind over Naruto being called "the walking nuke".
bijuu-dama, the tailed beast bomb, is a literal nuke analog and nagato was planning to use the ten-tails as his instigator for a ninja-era Mutually Assured Destruction plan.
so, yeah, naruto is VERY LITERALLY a walking nuke, and since kurama is unsealed at the end of the story, if kurama ever gets mad enough, he can totally just launch off a city-killer without naruto's input.
No, naruto can just lock him back up.
@@fightingmedialounge519 no, he can't, not without entering his inner space and dueling kurama for dominance again. that's the downside of being a jinchuriki with an unlocked beast, while it offers you more power, the beast gains more freedom and control. with most of the other beasts, that's not a problem because they're pretty calm, but with kurama and shukaku as ill-tempered as they are, they're more likely to just lash out at random.
just look at naruto having to speak to kurama to calm him down after one of the shin clones in boruto stabbed naruto. there was nothing physically stopping kurama from lashing out, it was just naruto keeping him calm that stopped a rampage.
@@Yal_Rathol except yes he can. This was shown when he locked him back up after getting his chakara and again when kurama was talking about how naruto couldn't stop war. The reason he didn't against the shin clone was because it was unnecessary.
@@fightingmedialounge519 you're talking about when he entered the inner space and dueled kurama, if i recall the sequence of events correctly. the point is that he can't do it on a whim, at any time.
Sakura is a literal heel. She consistently makes decisions contrary to what the thesis of the protagonist faction represents.
Naruto - "I want to become the hokage and become accepted by the village."
Sasuke - "I want to get revenge for the murder of my clan and family."
Sakura - "I want to hook up with Sasuke because he's hot."
Sakura is MJF
She is worse than you and you know it
The thing about Sakura is at the very START of Shippuden, she had a while there where she was no longer as focused on Sasuke and she took the time to get to know Naruto and the struggles he goes through as a Jinchuuriki, she even got protective of him when Sai tried to rile Naruto up after they first met. She had a really good slow build that made you think "Oh fuck she may actually become a much better character who is focused on protecting the people that are still in her life."
Sasuke stopped mattering, only Naruto was Gung Ho about it and she was like "I'm worried about you chasing him" This is actually shit that was happening in early Shippuden.
AND THEN, right after the Pain arc where Konoha gets nuked and Naruto becomes the village hero, RIGHT AFTER, one of the cloud ninja say to Sakura "What is Sasuke to you" I kid you not, she suddenly has a complete breakdown and in that single page her entire character dies. From this point on, all of her motivation changes into the dumbest fucking nonsense ever with "fake" switching sides to Sasuke and her false confession to Naruto claiming they can settle down and forget Sasuke as though Naruto is dumb enough to buy that.
The moment that breakdown happened, what little good will as a character she had built, was just utterly invalidated and deleted.
It was unbelievable and I am still so mad about Kishimoto doing that to her.
Kishi wanted to her be kind of annoying and represent the cruelty Leaf Village has towards to Naruto, but fucked up and made a waste of character. The worst part is during Part 2 Sakura is a better character when Sasuke is nowhere near her... her literal motivation makes Sakura a worse character. Tsunade is everything Sakura should be, but isn't.
She wasn't being protective of Naruto with Sai, she was protective of Sasuke, who Sai was rightfully badmouthing. She was still dick crazy over Sasuke even at the beginning of "Shipuuden", which is why she froze from arousal when seeing him again after all these years when they got to Oro's hideout, where he first tried to kill her.
To bring up something from a previous conversation with Pat and Woolie, "Arc Nullification."
@@NobleNomad to be fair, Sasuke looked pretty hot on that reveal with the half open robe
When did she have a breakdown? Her character really didn't die yet.
The doctor Manhattan thing is even worse, since with the actual blue dong, he can just be in two places at once and split his attention equally.
Naruto very clearly has a real one, and bunch of fake clones. The clones are noticeably lower in quality too, so you know he was prioritising his job as more important than his kids.
If he'd gone home and left a bunch of clones in the office, nobody would have complained.
Naruto made the concious decision that this paperwork demanded his personal attention, and his son's birthday did not.
Honestly getting to that point in the series where its revealed Naruto keeps not physically showing up to shit with his family is when I put Boruto down. I didn't last long into the series lol
On the characters with a body count getting redeemed, it reminds me of one from an old FE game where he was like "I comitted so many atrocities, I should kill myself to repay the debt".
And the protagonist is "You're not getting the easy way out! You're gonna help us save lives in order to compensate the ones you took."
Dangan Ronper FE has some good cases of “redeemed characters with a body count.” Jaffar & Dimitri are great examples.
Tales of Symphonia does the same (that's the entire crux of the plot) and I still can't believe its a rarity in general japanese storytelling
those were Imperials, they are not people
Dangan Ronper Disgaea 5
@@CNightmare072 The difference with dimitri is that he didn't suddenly start attacking innocents,and his sole reason wasn't "My brother was secretly the coolest,so let me destroy the one thing he gave his life for".
"Sakura is a perfect character, layered as a thousand-year onion with more dimensions than a computer can count up to, her story is a true Shakesperean tragedy on par with that which has sculptured our understanding of literature and culture as a whole. It's just that Kishimoto wrote her entirely differently to what she is, which is to say, completely opposite to what I've just described" ~ Sakura fandom
Noah… *GET THE BOAT*
HAH... this is bad comedy
@@waterking74 This is bad civilization.
@@waterking74 We live in a bad society
DAHAKA, GUARDIAN OF THE TIMELINE a delusional society >:3
I love how after years of being alone Sasuke gives Naruto parenting advice.
Sasuke: You’re Lucky Naruto, you never had any parents
I’m sorry Sasuke, WTF did you just say?
As the Anime Pope says, neglect your kids for years, they will end up the person who saves the world, so get in the fucking Eva, Shinji!
Naruto literally goes, "lol stop lying sakura."
That part honestly made me laugh my ass off and went "That plan was so obvious that Naruto, THE DUMBASS, Saw through it IMMEDIATELY! That's HILARIOUS."
@@ShadowWolfRising Hilarious indeed. In the end, she wasn't allowed to be the smart one, or the wise one, or the compassionate one of the Team 7 trio. Truly pathetic.
@@P0rk_Sinigang Fr. 😂
Reminder: Sarada, Sasuke and Sakara's daughter, spent most of her life not knowing her father so that when she went out on her own to look for him he *mistook his own daughter for an enemy ninja AND ALMOST KILLED HER HIS OWN DAUGHTER!!*
Okay...?
Maybe Sasuke is the one who needs glasses?
Also there's a "running gag" where Sasuke purposely refuses to give Sakura (his fucking wife) any physical affection such as kisses when she wants it... what the hell is wrong with you Kishimoto.
Li-Li Mandragon I’m convinced sasuke only married Sakura cause he felt bad and it’s part of his redemption quest
reminder, sakura and sasuke are such bad parents that sarada wasn't convinced she was related to EITHER OF THEM until her sharingan awoke. naruto might be a pretty bad dad, but at least his kids know he's their father and at least they've spent enough time together that they all know what each other look like.
>Woolie dumping on anything in Naruto
I am HERE FOR THIS.
when are they finally gonna dump on -Homestuck- S.Universe tho'??
@@iller3 Bro, I don't know, but I'll be here for that too.
@ilr
Those fucking trolls man I swear.
Problem Sleuth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Homestuck
@@iller3 bro, if dumping on HS is in the cards I'll be here. I desparetly need some catharsis after 6 years in the cult
@@TimBagels AGREED.
At least Naruto had an excuse "If I can't save Sasuke, how can I be a Hokage?" so it was a way to test his savior qualities too. Sakura is just "I love him, the rest doesn't matter".
Given their ancestors, they're technically brothers...that kissed that one time.
Twice if you count fillers.
I'm still trying to figure out how saving Sasuke corelates to any of the duties and politics around being Hokage.
@@machine1685 Hokage are meant to be the strongest of all the shinobi in the village. Both in will and physicality. So saving Sasuke is a personal thing that proves Naruto's will to not give up on somebody. One could argue that him beating Pain pretty much did that already, but saving Sasuke is a lot less "im doing this for everyone else" for Naruto. More, "I'm doing this for me" I suppose.
@@Willowposting When you put that way I can understand that. Naruto beating Pain proves his physicality (I mean, before the war arc but thats neither here or there) and not giving up on Sasuke proves his will. I can see that train of thought. Thanks.
Not much an excuse when he could also ask himself “Can I put my own emotions aside for the greater good of my people and village? If I refuse to let go of one personal connection when it is an active threat to the people I wish to someday lead, do I really deserve to lead them in the first place? How can anyone in the village willingly follow a man who would throw their lives away just for a chance to rekindle an old friendship?”
Reminder that Sakura IN-UNIVERSE exists and is part of Team 7 *only* to serve as a foil to encourage Sasuke and Naruto to become rivals. Thanks, Danzo.
Wait so Danzo organized Team 7?
@@ZhadoxFlamez I think its mentioned he pushed to have sasuke and naruto under kakashi as a check on both of them, kakashi to mentor and keep sasuke in check, and sasuke's developing of a sharingan keeping naruto in check. could be remembering wrong, its was one of those extra anime scenes so its probably not actually canon.
@@In-The-Zone Is kakashi still Anbu by the beginning of the show?
@@williamgarcia1417 No, he'd been out for at least a few years since he already had a few teams of genin he failed
I used to think her having perfect management of her chakra would would be her thing but when the other 2 are just dump chakra with no worries of management
Everyone except Naruto and Sakura is 100% correct about Sasuke but Naruto is literally God reincarnated and he says Sasuke is cool
Wouldn't say a hundred percent since they don't have the full story.
Just here to remind people that they should ignore anything the Sakura and Sasuke fanboys say.
Remember that the Sakura fanboys went into ape shit hard denial of the ending for almost two years straight (I think secretly they still might be going) to the point that the Sonic fanbase was disappointed in them. As for the Sasuke fanboys, they will excuse every bad thing any Uchiha does by claiming "but they were sad though so it's understandable".
Never forget the Hall of Anal Devestatstion.
...how on earth do you track fanbase reactions to shit? Legit curious.
“THIS IS A FAKE ENDING! THE REAL ENDING WILL COME OUT SOON! FAKE LEAKS”.
I can’t believe that’s real...but it is. I was there on the day it happened. The Hall of Devastation is perfect.
@@DaDMonDCB By being there, mostly.
@@DaDMonDCB All the forums and social media that the discussions take place on.
Plague did a good video on villains where he mentions a character called Nox who everyone just knew as an evil murderer who rampaged and killed tons of people. In reality you find out he's trying to gather enough energy to rewind time far enough to fix all of his mistakes and undo everythiing. The heroes never find this out and just view him as a purely evil psycho. I thought that was a really neat touch.
Funny thing about Nox; he succeeds in turning time back....FIVE MINUTES. Then you watch as his soul dies.
@@shadowreaverrising1753 I thought it was like 20 but yeah it's cool they let him win even for a moment.
A good villan is the hero of their own story. And that sounds like a fucking good villan
Nod was technically right,
All he had to do was keep going and after guiding people to live amongst the stars, kill *TRILLIONS* of people instead,
But after his soul was crushed I guess it’s a moot point
Nox is what all well written villains should strive to be, if you the viewer kinda wants them to win then you've got yourself a good wonderful antagonist. I'd put Netflix Castlevainia’s Dracula in that category too.
The series never really gives Sakura a reason to love Sasuke other than "he's hot".
Ikr, I heard people go on about how her feelings become genuine when she sits awkwardly by his bedside in the hospital which is total BS.
It’s also feels false later when Sakura fucking nose bleeds later over emo on emo action like Master Roshi. She has literally has no reason to like Sasuke beyond him being kinda hot.
1:10 There's a distinction between a shitty character and the author *only* when the author intends for the character to be shitty and it works. But if a character is shitty and it's unintentional, Pat's 100% correct. In that case, the writer failed super hard.
I don't understand why Sakura is written so inconsistently(showing most of her bad traits, her awesome moments being so far in between most people thinks she didn't do anything, her promises to get stronger aren't kept until Kishimoto needs them to be(aka he couldn't think of a way for naruto or kekashi to save the day at the moment), and ect.
You ever make a post that you regret in retrospect, but then it gets too popular and you can’t delete it?
It his ignorance on Kurama that's really painful for me. He did bad things because he's sad and lonely. No Woolie he did it because the people his father died believing in perverted his teachings and constantly fought and murdered each other so much that they used him and his siblings as weapons. Leaving out the fact he also felt every negative emotion within miles all the time. I'm not saying Naruto is perfect far far from it but I understand Kurama I can comprehend why he was like that.
He'll finish it when Kishimoto does first.
@@jacobsmith4428 Kishimoto isn't involved with Naruto anymore. He's already moved on.
@@AlfredoTaken Oh, so that explains why Boruto feels like subpar fanfiction was given an anime.
Nah his dislike of sasuke too, his dislike of the writing, his love of lee, his respect for itachi, his jokes on the ninja magic etc
woolie's not 200% correct but he's not any more wrong than anyone who sees a villain murder half a village even without the sharigan and goes. "He has to atone in some way." His jokes are no more than just that. He's not literally going "He does this because sad, there swing." it's no more shooting the shit with friends like you or I would XD
I feel incredibly vindicated hearing that Pat and Woolie agree with me on the notion that that poor girl in Jurassic World got it the worst of ANYONE in those movies for no reason at all! She did nothing to deserve getting swallowed ALIVE. That's the literal worst way one could get eaten by dinosaur. The stupid, ACTUALLY LITERALLY EVIL, dinosaur gets drowned or its neck broken before it gets eaten.
FUCK that movie.
Apparently, there were deleted footage where that girl in question is depicted to be a scumbag, so seeing her die in such a way is more justified.
@@harlannguyen4048 Okay, sure. But that's not the character on display. Saying there's deleted footage of her kicking a puppy or whatever doesn't change the absolute brutality of her death. Unless the deleted footage shows her letting the LITERAL EVIL DINOSAUR out of it's cage while screaming "Yes! Kill everyone! Especially those two brats I was forced to watch by my boss!" There's just no justifying how awful it is to watch her get brutalized for a full minute.
Ahh phooey, Eddie Carr was a damn hero in The Lost World and his reward was being torn in half by two T-rex. Don't nobody care about that fodder chick.
You call it the worst.
...meanwhile Vore fans be like ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
I need to watch that movie.
The moment that made me go "Fuck Kishimoto and Sakura" was in the last few chapters Sakura had a chapter dedicated to her where she talked about how much she's grown, had a big panel where she protected Naruto and Sasuke from an attack, and standing proud and in front of them... Only for the next page have them save her and she returns to being useless.
Pat: Super murderers get redemption arcs
Orochimaru: *dabs* I regret nothing
he literally regrets nothing, he is WEARING A NEW SKINSUIT IN BORUTO, nobody has stopped him and he's not going to stop until someone stops him!
@@Yal_Rathol He literally achieves immortality, which was his goal the whole time. The real reason he's able to go 'free' is because he's basically a walking trillion ninja-dollar asset that can do anything you ask him to, and he'll go above and beyond with the product.
@@Valanway and that excuses his crimes against humanity, which he continues to perpetrate? particularly since karin has taken over one of his labs and has access to his research notes?
Pat wishes he could be Orochimaru, the ultimate scumbag who gets away with it.
@@Yal_Rathol explanations are not excuses. that's on you.
I love listening to Woolie talk about Naruto lmao
I feel it is because he's going through the same I went years ago, dropping the show when the filler became unbearable only to return via word of mouth and see how it all came rolling down from there
yo hellfire comms. cool to see you here.
The problem is, Sakura is so poorly written as a character you _can't_ criticize her as one. That's more than she deserves. Kishimoto has openly stated he's not good at writing romance, and romance is her entire character. She's deadass not enough of a character to be judged, even harshly. As boring as it is to just say author's bad therefor character bad, that's just the irreparable fact of the matter.
Edit: On Pat asking why the Shadow Clones were banned, we don't really know. We can infer that because it splits your chakra evenly with each new clone, and a certain amount of chakra is necessary to keep living, it's possible you'd eventually clone yourself to death. Either that or the memory accumulation part of it would turn your brain into liquid shit if done too much.
Just because kishimoto made kurenai a useless pregnant widow,and had a character tell her that she needed to stay safe ONLY to make babies,doesn't mean he's sexist.
@Jay It was not. The Second Hokage (the objectively best one) invented it. Also, if you count the anime's canonicity, Darui can do it. Does that make sense? No, and that's why you never count the anime.
@@bearandthebull2372 You're gonna have to explain that one.
@@bearandthebull2372 I really don't think he's sexist as much as he's hilariously incompetent. Sure, basically every female character gets shafted in one way or the other, but he hardly does the dudes any more justice. He conceptualized a lot of really interesting characters, and utterly shit the bed in terms of implementing them.
@Jay Hashirama gave each of the budding hidden villages basically nukes in the bijuu, which they then proceeded to use with extreme prejudice while culturally institutionalizing ostracizing the people containing them. If that's not a melon move, I don't know what is.
Fun fact: Naruto's whiskers let him sense Thottery. That's why he didn't fall for Sakura's scheme...
Well, the fact she was absurd and unconvincing might have had something to do with it, as well.
I remember a fanfic crossover with Naruto and Justice league, Batman gives Sakura the dating within the team leads to disaster conversation. It has some effect on her. Some. Still better than Canon.
Edit: Also, later in the fic Sakura has a small conversation with Harley Quinn. The story pulls a really good not so different moment between the two. Even Sakura realizes this herself. The fic is called Connecting the Dots for those interested.
Sakura’s best moments were against Sasori. Everything went back downhill after that.
True, but she also had some moments during the war
Like throwing herself on one of Madara's spikes ?
Great moment 👌
Beside Naruto She was the only person able to recognize a white Zetsu transformed into a member of the shinobi alliance, she kept Naruto alive when he got the tailed beasts extracted, punching Kaguya so she couldn't escape from being sealed,...
VenomFuryX these all felt like she was shoved into these scenes to keep her relevant. No matter how good these scenes are (and it’s debatable). She never could escape the bad writing that created her character in the first place. A shallow teen with boy problems.
@@dawn2891 but she wasn't completely useless like people say.
Oh god I remember that "confession"
And Naruto calls her out on it saying "Yea, no, your lying." but it was of the context of Naruto's upbringing being so fucked that when someone tells him hes loved, his instinct is to go "Yea no, that can't be true."
Doesn't help that its Sakura.
Prince Zuko is the best-written and handled redemption arc in fiction
oh my god I can't believe my childhood was DBZ and Naruto instead of Avatar.
I'm glad I marathoned the fuck out of avatar before reading your comment, because it's so damn _true_
Fuck yeah.
YES. YES IT IS.
It's funny how the two worst Naruto characters mated and birthed one of the more interesting Boruto Characters
I like how Sarada latches onto Naruto and treats him like father she never got. She's the only character who points out how fucking ungrateful Boruto is when it comes to parents.
Every Uchiha Previously: *I want to destroy the Leaf Village!*
Sarada: I want to become hokage one day and help the village
You’re a good kid Sarada
“Failure breeds success”
Sarada is the Cable of Naruto
Friendly reminder that Dr. snakes is an anagram for Darkness.
We need EyePatchWolf to go back to Woolie and make him watch even more HxH so we can have the opposite of this where Pat gushes about HxH and Woolie just nods and goes Yeeeeaaaah!
I feel like that series of woolie watching HxH could have worked if he talked about more than one episode per... episode. That way it didnt feel like as much of a waste of a time slot.
Or woolie just disagrees.
Honestly if he just watched HxH like he binged Naruto he’d have been done way sooner. This episode by episode shit would burn anyone.
I want Woolie to just give Pat weekly reports of the Naruto story as the LPs go on.
Specifically things like Kisame being a real ass Shark, Itachi playing 4D Chess with the ninja world even after he died, and daddy taking half of the big bad fox to the grave.
"Itachi playing 4D Chess with the ninja world even after he died"
I mean if fucking PALPATINE can, why not?
I love everything about this segment. My god my sides are hurting from the uncontrollable laughter at the truth about sakura horrible character.
If I was Kishi I would've had Sakura remain single at the end knowing her feelings impacted her skills as a ninja and she becomes like Tsuande. But nope.
@@li-limandragon9287 yes! Totally agree. Either that or she ends up with one of the many other side characters for a total wtf shes with him/her moment.
And when sai comes back to really tell naruto about there plan to kill sasuke, naruto has an actual panic attack and passes out at the thought of sasuke dying.
At this point he knows sasuke has apparently captured and killed another jinchuriki, which when it was Gaara he was ready to rip there heads off, but when sasuke has seemingly done it he’s begging for him to be forgiven.
I forgot I was watching this earlier so when I clicked on the video it started with Woolie saying "Guess what? I love you" and pat getting all shocked and excited. Thought this was going somewhere different.
Remember girls if that guy doesn't like you and actively tries multiple times to kill you, just keep insisting you love him and following after him for years, and you'll wear him down to where he will eventually marry you.
"Naruto can do anything"
Shadow Clone Jutsu Gangbang
"And he can S M E L L her *serpentine breath*"
Fucking dead
Sakura has two cool moments, the fight where she cuts her hair and nearly dies defending Sasuke and Naruto and her Three Sannin moment against the 10 tails. In both of those moments, she is IMMEDIATELY overshadowed by other characters.
Also the Sasori fight, saving Kankuro, Hinata, and Naruto's lives(basically brought him back to life), and got recognized by Shizune and the first hokage as surpassing Tsunade.
@@SailorMewMew100 In all of those moments the spotlight is immediately stolen by another character, Naruto literally gains the ability to just save a persons life by touching them for a second which invalidates her even more.
@@SailorMewMew100 I wouldn't count the bringing Naruto back to life part too hard, because I'm semi sure that the healing actually did nothing and it was all Ninja God in that moment.
@@jacobsmith4428 She kept his heart beating long enough for Ninja god to bring him back to life, her actual attempt at saving him by getting the other half of the 9-tails inside of him failed.
@@en4135 If Naruto as Ninja Jesus can save Gai from crumbling to literal ash, I'm somewhat certain Ninja God wouldn't be defeated by a heart not pumping.
Actual deep lore: the shadow clone thing was banned because it's both OP and it drains way too fucking much ninja mana making it a death trap for young aspiring ninjas.
It's so stupidly OP that Naruto literally brute forces his way to becoming a God.
Plague did a whole fucking video on it obviously but it's infuriating that the premise of Naruto was that working hard and believing in yourself can overcome all obstacles. Yet Naruto is literally the least qualified asshole but because he's a chosen one descendant of literal ninja Christ with an actual nuke in his gut and forbidden magic he can rise to the upper echelons of society.
>I'm a Sakura Fan
Foolish to assume there's such a thing as being a "Sakura Fan"
Shiki ain't become hokage because he helps the "King", he had the foresight to know Naruto was going to need the smarter person on his corner to make the right decisions.
Why be the smarter person that "helps" then just be the smart person in charge? Naruto hasn't really shown any competency in being a Hokage other than power so what good is he on a desk?
@@luckytiger4779 Because the Hokage so far have always been the strongest guy around. It's not a position built on competence, it's a position based on power
@@luckytiger4779 Having a figurehead everyone trusts. Having the big hero of the village/world tell you he has a plan is reassuring; having some nobody tell it instead, people ignore it.
To use something current at the risk of getting too political, Trump draws all the attention to himself, partly due to straight name recognition, the rest being a giant meme generator. This allows Pence to actually get shit done behind the scenes. Now, I don't know if that's actually true, but the comparison is still unfortunately apt to Prez Naruto and VP Shiki.
@@luckytiger4779 they forced him to finish school in the end. Also he smartened up enough that it's easy to accept Shiki was his counsel
@@luckytiger4779 plus it's been shown no matter who you are Naruto will do w.e he wants to do.
Sometimes I forget canon Sakura is trash tier and isn't the confidant self sufficient power house fun punch girl that drops Sasuke like a bad habit and marries Ino instead that lives inside my head.
That would honestly be pretty interesting.
We see more of those two together than we see Sakura with Sasuke.
It wouldn't be hard to believe that two life long friends/rivals started out fighting over a boy but grew up and realized they didn't really like him. It also wouldn't be hard to believe that they could fall for each other.
Wow, that is way better than the cannon.
@Jay I'm not saying that they would 'turn gay out of spite', just that there was more potential for story with them if it turned out their crush wasn't real at all.
@Jay "I think Ino and Sakura would have been a more interesting pairing."
"OH SO YOU THINK JIRAIYA AND OROCHIMARU SHOULD HAVE ASS FUCKED EACH THEN, HUH!?"
@@TheAarontheblackmage it's a slippery slope, one day shallow dumb bitches are given depth, and the next two old men are fucking in a field.
The Aaron the Black Mage
Ah, so Jiraiya was Mitsuki’s dad,
It all makes sense now
I can probably count the number of conversations Sakura has had with Sasuke. ON ONE HAND!
I’m pretty sure in their first one, he calls her annoying for shitting on Naruto. Iirc, I think she brought up the whole “no parents” thing
*Exactly* Kishimoto can’t claim that he made Sakura’s feelings “realistic” when she’s had more conversations with a dog than the guy she apparently loves.
Li-Li Mandragon you know the worst part? She hasn’t changed. Adult Sakura is still just as submissive and shallow as she was in the first episode. She still waiting for Sasuke to come back and return her feelings for him. And its still just as pathetic.
Same can be said for majority of the romances in Naruto even naruto and hinata feel pretty underwhelming outside the pain fight and Nejis death. Some of the characters didn't even meet through the story and ended up together.
Raiden2421 like Choji and what’s her name?
When you know you should stop watching an anime:
"None of these characters are developing and are staying the same or regressing which is worse"
My only defense for Sakura at all (she's seriously terrible) is that she is a much better character when Sasuke isn't involved in the story/being talked about at all. Sakura saving Kankuro/doing her medical ninja stuff was good, Sakura helping defeat Sasori was good, but the problem is that 99% of her character revolves around Sasuke, and he seriously snubs out any hope or potential of her becoming a better character.
Pat he can’t handle the mental strain, that’s the limiter. He’ll literally fry himself out if he does the Shadow clone jutsu forever. He also can’t continually sustain them forever actively. He’s always physically exhausted from the clones he uses now.
that's an issue of him getting proper restand not burning himself out, there's still nothing wrong with him sending out a few clones a day to practice a technique and have it mastered while doing literally no work.
It’s even funnier when you realize that Sakuras motivation isn’t JUST that she thought that male friend from middle school was hot, but that she thought that boy from middle school /who got suspended and later expelled from school after almost murdering her OTHER close friend TWICE in the span of like a week and then moved away to JOIN THE CULT that just did a terrorism on her hometown and assassinated their president like a month or two prior/ was really hot.
"this was an enemy baby!" . I dont know why but that mad me laugh for a really long time.
Sakura: I love you...
Naruto: No you don't....
Best moment.
Imagine
Sakura: I love you
Naruto: Sorry too late I love Hinata
God that would be gold.
There is actually a reason Jurassic World's baby sitter lady died so hard. Her actress was a semi-big name at the time (had or still has her own TV show) and she was going to be the first woman to die in the movie franchise so she demanded the death to be the most outrageous death the series ever did so far.
And its because of big wet blanket takes like these two chucklefucks that a new precedent was set going forward "ONLY BAD GUYS GET KILLED BY DINOSAURS" and the movies WENT TO SHIT with Chris Pratt using his stupid Star wars force suggestion powers on every carnivore he comes into conflict with. The fact that they even use the term "Villain Dinosaur" is so god damn stupid. Never, NEVER should the phrase "villain dinosaur" be uttered in the context of Jurassic Park, the entire horror appeal of the franchise is the brutality and unfeeling chaos of natures teeth, how ruthless the animal kingdom is and the hubris of man for thinking they could control it.
24:00 Pat, to get you angrier, naruto doesn't address that until over half way into the story. He gets the power in chapter 1,doesn't find out he can remember everything until chapter like 300
and it takes Kakashi to even conceive that the idea is possible - a feat that Kakashi is proud of... as if it isn't common knowledge. :P
EDIT: Replace "common knowledge" with "a thought anyone could come up with if I put an iota of creative consideration towards the idea of shadow clones."
@@Hitorio Most people don't try it because it's only useful when used in conjunction with Multi-shadow clone, which is forbidden for a reason, because it'll either just kill the user by using up all their chakra, or it'll drain them enough to knock them out, making them worthless in a fight or for recon. Only Uzimaki-clan or jonin+ with a ton of chakra can even make it work effectively, and for all but Naruto and co. it has major diminishing returns so there's not much of a point in trying
@@Valanway It only takes one shadow clone to utilize the effect.
It can be used to give you 200% efficiency at something that doesn't require you to keep spawning clones (like academic reading).
One Shadow Clone divides your chakra in half, so it's not that taxing to use for this purpose.
Kishimoto assuming no one besides Kakashi would even have this IDEA is what's silly.
If Kishimoto thinking his jutsu mechanics through metaphorically = fighting game developer making a fighting game:
players would be breaking his game and doing all types of infinites and glitches because he didn't think about these "what if" scenarios.
I mean, we're never shown that's a thing till Shippuden and honestly people should have told him sooner
@@crazygamer4260 yeah part 2(what is called shuppiden in the anime) was like chapter 300 in the manga.
technically they tried to impeach "Naruto" twice now, and it didn't work BOTH times.
Hold up...
If Naruto can learn things by functionally hyperthreading the multi-core system that is him and his literal THOUSANDS of perfect clones, how is he still SOOOOO DUUUUUUMB!?
He has to keep that chakra ready in case it's needed for an emergency (mostly fights).
Also the more clones the less time they have ever notice that the big clone army moments only last for a minute or two at most?
The5lacker
Personality.
Also he’s not dumb it’s just “oh, I literally have lifetimes of different knowledge in my head... how do I even remember my name with all these new memories?”. He’d have to constantly keep reading that shit for anything to stick and why do that when you can just get a clone to do it again?
Nah, the real dumb shit is the forced family drama for no reason cause we really shouldn’t have Boruto be a series but maybe OVA’s at most to just check in on characters.
The5lacker Goku syndrome
@@CNightmare072 He to be fair to Goku before the Super retcon era he did have literal Brain Damage
@@cyberninjazero5659 kid goku had a excuse.
"Shikamaru shold have become the Hokae cause he's smart"
Shikamaru would have literally turned down the job.
Pat's face when Woolie mentions Sakuras brilliant delivery of her confesion
Someone needs to tell Woolie that once he's done with the main story he sticks around the show to watch both the epilogue which is everything after The Last until the wedding AND more importantly the adaptations of the Shikamaru and Sasuke novels and how they alongside Orochimaru become the patriots to Naruto's Solidus
....Wow fuck Naruto ENTIRELY then.
That is a hell of a title.
I think they've forgotten just how bad the Jurassic World woman get its. She doesnt just get juggled into the mosasaur, the pterodactyls spend a whole minute crushing and drowning her in between the air combo and mosasaur
I just want a fighting game to have that as a stage transition animation.
Remember when Orihime Inoue said that she wanted to be useful to Ichigo and then proceeded to help an enemy against him, and then not be useful at all afterwards
Yeah, but Orihime's powers were always more supportive than offensive, as seen when Yammy easily destroyed Tsubaki with little effort, but at least she tried, and even though she herself knew that she was outclassed, she still stood by Ichigo during his fight with Yhwach. I'd still say she'd a better character than Sakura in that regard, and while she does obsess a little over Ichigo, at least she has believable reasons for liking him.
@@kamikazelemming1552 I think a downside of all supporting characters written by Kubo just aren't useful or powerful enough and have to rely on lucky shots to win the fights that they do win, any battles we see them in, we just know they're going to lose. I still remember "Chad face down on the floor" became a running joke in the fandom.
>Mfw a Sakura fan exists
Nah everyone knows that Sakura fans dont exist, lord Nux said so.
I think she's a bad character and i never liked her, but i don't think she was completely useless.
Exactly.
Don't go on fanfiction. The sheer amount of Sakura fans on there will likely make you lose all faith in humanity.
Have you never heard of the Hall of Anal Devastation?
i'm convinced that her fans are just teenage girls who self insert as her.
Hold the fuck up. Woolie STILL doesn’t understand that Sakura was lying to Naruto to try to save him from having to kill Sasuke?!
The worst thing about Sakura that makes her so horribly written, is that her sense of respect is entirely based around strength, she looks down on every character UNTIL she see's how strong they are, suddenly even a creepo like Rock Lee is cool (and don't pretend he doesn't act creepy around Sakura the first few times they meet) when she see's how strong he actually is, because of that she is quite possibly the shallowest heroine in anime history, I haven't seen one that tops her without having redeeming qualities or a understandable backstory, she is truly the Karen queen of anime XD
So im Sakura and I'm in love with a murder and a guy that definitely want to kill my friends and more people.................... guess I should still be in love with him because I was in love with him when I was a kid. But hey there both awful so at least they deserve each other.
And raise his child you had nothing to do with and he will Never help or even say a kind word to you tothe point the the basic grunt is all she lives for.
Volt Kruger
That plot point became nullified where it turned out Sarada actually is Sakura’s kid… that whole thing didn’t make sense
Holy shit that title had me dyin!
6:41 Pat facepalms for exactly 1 minute from Sakura’s stupidity
When I was 12, I was a Sakura STAN. I truly didn't understand how poorly her character was written, and I was a similarly dumb preteen. Years and years later, I realize I only liked Sakura because I was gay lol
Alright, not that I'm judging younger you on taste, but this show had Temari in it. How was Sakura the one to make you peek out the closet, so to speak?
@@jor4114 that's a GOOD question lol 😂 i just had bad taste
Now talk about more about Gundam Seed, Woolie!
“Naruto’s gonna run that place into the ground!” But Konoha is the most successful and technologically developed then ever before in Boruto, okay Pat. He’s been a pretty decent Hokage.
Edit: They also don’t vote for Hokage, there is no democracy. They are appointed by the Daimyō, they’re completely under the boot heal of the elite Pat.
No but shikimaru is "somewhat" smarter. He should automatically be the hokage and fuck over the entire fanbase for 15 years and screw Naruto over on getting the job ! /s
Edit: Sacarsim guys. im disagreeing HEAVILY with pat on this
You're right but it doesn't make much sense; Naruto doesn't have a mind for administration. The Hokage should've been Shikamaru
M.C Zandogg He actually does a really decent job. He does what a leader should, and delegate to the people below him, aka Shikamaru. Shikamaru doesn’t really have personality to be the main leader while Naruto has personal ties to every single current Kage and plenty of minor Kages along with his unrealistic can do and see the best out of everyone attitude it makes sense why Naruto is leader.
@@Hanja45 now if only people could give bort a chance before aborting his story.
For the whole time i've been watching Pat, i've never heard him say anything positive about the Naruto series.
That's why Shikamaru isn't the Hokage. Naruto is there to be this giant figure head and beacon of hope and power.
The leader of this village is a tactical nuke that helped kill a god and blew a hole in the moon. do you wanna fuck with that?
Sasuke is his left hand and Shikamaru is his right.
another nuke of a human. and then an actual tactical and practical genius who runs things with strategy and skill.
The leaf should be untouchable now. (it kinda is, but it has reverse plot armor on it.)
Woolie to my surprise made me realize something. People praise Itachi is this strong and deep character, and he already was fascinating as just a villain, and when he gets to be the hero (Who genocide his family and friends) everyone lived him. But that came at the cost of turning Sasuke crazy for a while. Sasuke had this justified vengeance that you couldn't really argue with. Yeah he tried to kill Naruto, but he was pretty high on his curse powers at the time and Naruto attacked first when he tried to peacefully walk away. And even after time skip he is cold, but it was more professional/I have no time for you so leave or die. But with the Itachi reveal it broke his character.
On the subject of Naruto's tenure as Hokage, the thing people seem to ignore is that on a certain level he KNOWS he's not the absolute best man for the job, but it's the job he's wanted since childhood, and the job he's going to do to the best of his ability. That's why he surrounds himself with the people he personally knows are the best at what they do. That's also why he's never at home; because while he could very well delegate ALL his responsibilities to Shadow Clones, he makes a point of carrying out the most important duties himself. Even the most tedious time-consuming ones, like paperwork.
I feel like if Naruto weren't the main character, people would better recognize his dedication.
Man if he's mad about Sakura now, the shit with Sasuke and Orochi later is going to blow his mind.
Yeah....sorry.
Wait... wasn’t Orochimaru sealed away inside of Itachi’s Susano’o spirit Sword during the fight between Sasuke and Itachi?
@@stephenuchiha6430 Yeaaaah about that.
@@stephenuchiha6430 curse marks son
12:58 once again Avatar: The Last Airbender stands as the shining example to emulate
The thing about Zuko’s redemption arc is that they stripped away everything that made a threat to the heroes and put him a situation where he could’ve just been happy with his uncle in that tea shop.
Unlike Sasuke who gets a free pass and a handjob, Zuko earns and builds his redemption.
@@li-limandragon9287 It’s also great that not everyone in the group trusts him immediately. Katana literally corners him in his room and says “I don’t buy your story for a second and if you step a toe out of line I will put you in the ground.”
You can do a redemption-lite for a shitty character who isn't actually an enemy.
Have a bunch of bad things happen to them, them have a change of heart and sign up with the main-character's philosophy.
iamnuff1992 Dimitri (Fire Emblem) is a great example
I had no idea Naruto's Shadow Clone jutsu was THAT buff that he can pull a Dr. Manhattan and send copies of himself out to do tasks, and those memories will come back to him as if he did it himself. I'm suddenly envious of that ability.
Itachi did nothing wron- oh yeah, he did it all for Sasuke, scrap that
Itachi should’ve dropped his baby brother into a ditch at first opportunity.
Legit, if Itachi did all that shit for a better character I'd have been so down
Naruto: "GET DA FUCK OUDDA HERE! BEGONE!"
Crazy how both Sakura and Naruto were "Dick Crazy" for Sasuke
Woolie, you are ever on point with insane titles, and I love you for it.
Gonna put this here outside the thread
Its actually really minor what Sasuke did within the naruto world.
Compared to the Cloud constantly trying to kidnap little girls from the leaf(Kushina, Hinata), even doing so by violating a peace treaty resulting in the death of an innocent man,(who get butthurt on bee getting taken by Sasuke)
The Stone village actively employing the Akatsuki, the terror group everyone gets upset about sasuke joining
The Mist's tradition of having children murder one another and Mist kidnapping Rin and turning her into a nuke
The Sand's unprovoked attack on the leaf
All the fuckers we see Gaara kill who weren't a threat, and his sensei killing the Procter guy
All the people its implied Kakashi assassinated when they talk about lightning blade and later his former time in anbu
And those are just off the top of my head. Having it implied he killed a few samurai and killing Danzo (who technically became a criminal when he used Shusui's eye, and used to work with Orochimaru while he was a criminal) is like super minor.
Never mind comparing it to other series like Vegeta who did NOT atone adequately by the time everyone accepted him. In fact its not even until the Super manga that we get an actual meaningful moment of Vegeta recognizing his past atrocities.
On a related note the fact people can accept Vegeta so easily but get so butthurt over Endeavor being even allowed the CHANCE to TRY and redeem himself is crazy.
Genocide? Mass Murder? Terrorism? eh you can redeem yourself
Off screen implied abuse? Fuck you, irredeemable!
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Vegeta takes the entire series to redeem himself though.
On top of that he was raised to be that way in an entire society built around that (OG Broly is best Broly because he actually represents what a typical saiyan would expect from the Legendary Super Saiyan).
He's an Anti-Villain (who relapses in the Buu Saga) up until his sacrifice but by then most of the series is over.
Vegeta worked more or less because everyone continued to be weary of him but they were just too weak to really do anything about it and the only one who could do something was Goku...whose Goku.
Endeavour on the other hand lives in real worldish place so his real worldish crimes are held to real worldish standards
See the mist children thing would be cool to explore, I mean I think had they gone ninja war vs other countries and less magic bs the whole series would have been better
I can understand the "I hate how character was written" argument if it was someone passed on to a new author, or someone who was written one way for a long time and then suddenly switched to some weird errant behavior for no discernible reason.
She's history's greatest monster.
Are we sure about that? There’s also Big the Cat.
Regarding the redemptive character arc, pat pretty much nailed it. And another really good example is Zuko in ATLAB where he is unanimously hated by the hero troup. And even when he tries to appeal to them he is immediately shut down. And would've likely stayed that way if he wasnt the ONLY ONE on the entire continent that could teach Aang fire bending! If he wasnt entirely essential to further the hero's journey he would've been thrown off a cliff.
"Sakura created an uchiha who needs glasses"
Those genes are literally sasukes lol.
Tarfiel Archelone
50% are.
Unless you graduated from the Liquid Snake School of Genetics and Biology.
@@krism.6598 Naruto genetics = real world genetics?
(Also turns out she got sick when she was young thats why she needs glasses some random itachi style disease).
@@tarfielarchelone2674 how stupid are you?
WOOLIE. "THE WALKING NUKE" IS THE BEST.
5:53 I love this description, Naruto to a T in this arc.
I feel like the most important things about a redemption arc are remorse and sincerity, and I never felt that Sasuke, in the confines of the Naruto story (haven't seen Boruto), showed enough of those. He changes, sure, but it doesn't look like he really regretted doing the stupid shit he did. It's been a while since I read the manga though.
The new Boruto segment does, they
spoiler
really embarrass Sasuke by making him relive his teen
It’s because Sasuke has always been an introvert ever since he was a kid, and especially after the murder of his entire family by the one person he loved more than anything. He has never been one to show outward displays of emotion nor has he ever felt the need to express his feelings to anyone. So you’re never going to get him bawling his eyes out crying about how sorry he is to everyone. In his own way he does feel remorseful for his actions toward the people he has hurt.
@@ShardSpyder I think you're mixing up introversion and being a psychopath.
OR, even better, a complete lack of either but you just be so cool that no one cares when you help defeat the final bad guy. Realistically, Viral never actually did anything to redeem himself in TTGL, but no one cares because he's Viral and now he's on the good guys team now.
There are two other things that are needed for redemption:
1: The character in question needs to experience some form of consequence.
2: The Moral Event Horizon remains uncrossed.
In this clip woolie looks like an xbox Kinect wouldn't register him
From how it was explained, shadow clones became forbidden due to it requiring a high amount of chakra to use.
3-5 is enough for most Jonin iirc, any more and they're just liable to fucking ice themselves or take themselves out of a fight.
The most interesting story from naruto was a filler arc where his clones revolted