You mean his comment on divorce? Apply that on buildings: There should be no emergency exits unless you oppose the whole concept of living in buildings.
Everything is shorter than Jordan Peterson. He finds a couple of people who thinks he's "smart" and now he feels obligated to take three hours to say "I like ketchup." Dude is in love with the sound of his own voice. He's one of those people who should never be encouraged, because they can't handle it.
@@BaronVonQuiplyDidn't JP say something like learn to become a monster (or dangerous?) and learn to control it? Seems like some people skip the second part or mix up control and hide.
@@jochenkraus7016 The "I'm a barely contained monster" mindset sounds exactly like something that would appeal to the JP/Tate/12yo/my-41-year-old-friend demographic (I'm not kidding about that last one). As would being a wizard.
Like instead of being there for his wife when she was sick he got himself addicted to benzos. And then instead of getting off them himself. He goes into a dangerous coma for months, while his wife is recovering from cancer surgery. And it's not like a sick woman is cleaning his house and cooking his meals. Like men are supposed to be strong and stoic. And women are supposed to be in a kitchen and not even look at other men. But he is a cry baby, his wife is definitely not able to cook and clean, and also was a massage therapist. And supposedly she fostered loads of kids, but Jordy never talks about him having fostered kids. (Must be her thing only) It all just doesn't look to me like perfect examples of masculinity and femininity, and nuclear family, and marriage.
Because he is? And sometimes actually starts crying. I wonder how much he pushes himself into that as manipulation tactics and how much is him not being well.
@@godsire6217 No crybullies are people who claim victim status then use that to justify bullying others. Peterson says that's toxic and it's healthier to take control of your life and not be a victim. Also, ever notice how it's fair game to make fun of a man for crying, but it's toxic masculinity if they don't cry?
@@jochenkraus7016 As I get older I find that the secret to forgetting something is to stuff as much information into your head as you can. When I was 10 my brain was a file cabinet (we didn't have google yet, but a search engine metaphor is more accurate), but today when I relay a piece of information to someone, it's not rare for me to mention that I'm not sure how I know the fact, or for me to even give several options as to what the correct value is because I may be conflating data sheerly due to the mountains of information buzzing around my head. Case in point, I remember vaguely what Peterson's dream was about and why we shouldn't go there, but the details are lost in the cloud and as long as I don't expend much mental energy on the topic I won't recall (not fully voluntary though, I have recalled things against my will because the topic stuck in my head until decoded/decompressed from hazy storage).
Favorite part of this video is when Jake heard Peterson say that men were indentured servants and Jake immediately got caught up in the euphoria of being anti capitalist that it took him a few seconds to realize Peterson was actually saying "divorce bad because men have to pay child support" 😂
"women get unhappy faster because they're not as strong and therefore men are more dangerous to them" so men are the problem for being violent, unpredictable weirdos then? got it. "women are also primarily responsible for infants so they have a reason to be more nervous" so the problem is still men (not taking equal responsibility for their kids)? got it. like, I don't even disagree. if we assume that women are more prone to things like nervousness then I might also suggest these two factors. the problem is the framing. he thinks women ending relationships because "oh they're just -irrational- afraid", whereas I think that there's nothing wrong with them ending these relationships if they are making them unhappy. also: "divorce is expensive so one or both of you will be poor after" ...okay? So make divorce as cheap as possible then? Or is he talking about wealth redistribution from one partner to the other? Which is usually done when one of those partners is the primary caregiver of the kids (and therefore needs more money because kids are expensive) and/or needs extra support because they're disabled or will have a worse economic potential on their own?
He also said, at some point, that men would only agree to rape being an actual crime against women, if instead it was defined as a crime against the men in women's lives or as a "property crime" (saying women are men's property). So, what he's saying is....men are awful and only care about seeking justice for crimes against women, when they have a stake in it?
I had no idea that Jordan was so needy, but that statement is _incredibly_ telling. Why the hell would you want to be around your partner all the time? How about some space for yourself? And that's completely ignoring the fact that people just have other obligations then spending time with him. What, should she not work either because that's time she's not spending with him? Should she not have her own friend group? Should she not go out for errands without him? Should she go to work with _him_ so that she can sit there gormlessly holding his hand while he earns the big bucks?
@@SilverDragonJay It sounds insane, but that is probably actually what he wants. Like with Steven Crowder refusing to let his wife take the car to buy groceries
I remember the days when I was watching Peterson's stuff, and I just have to wonder what was going through my head at the time. Because I watch his recent stuff, and he's genuinely psychotic. I don't know how I agreed with him on things years ago, and it's kind of disappointing. But that was also around the time where I was lacking a friend group, and really kind of aimless, so a lot of his stuff just resonated. But now that I have those things, and wider perspective on the world as a whole, literally nothing he says makes any reasonable sense. I've never been a relationship, but I've helped my friends in theirs, and I'm currently 4 for 4 on those, so I'm okay at it, and everything he says just drips with horrible ideas--for men and women.
First thing is that until recently, he came across quite well put together compared to now. Emphasis on "came across" and "compared to now". Maybe the self help things resonated. My impression is that this got him many fans that defended him later. Another thing is rethoric. He strings things together like there's a logical link or just makes claims that might be true or not. Ben Shapiro also does that. Then he's a psychologist so he probably knows a thing or two about that, including manipulation.
The only person I knew who watched Jordan Peterson is my partner's former roommate who was found to have been emotionally and sexually abusive to a mutual friend when she was in a relationship with that man. He later got a dog that he would be emotionally distant to (though he did feed her and walk her) and would shut it out of his bedroom. He then began writing manifestos about my bf and emailing them to him. He was a fucking psycho and really broke that mutual friend down for years
Right wing talking heads as a rule get worse and worse, because they get extreme backlash from their audience if they ever express that there's a line they won't cross.
Don’t be too hard on yourself. It’s normal to adopt some information and disregard other information. JP has always been crap I think we can all agree he is so much worse now compared to “the days” you watched. Overall I think it’s very positive and healthy to move on from something if it no longer resonates.
I wouldn't be too hard on yourself. A lot of the stuff he went on about in the past was either some truths that were intermingled with BS, or things that unless you were a professional of psychology yourself, how could you be expected to know any different? When he talks about things like serotonin and lobsters and mental health patients...well, he's a psychologist talking about psychology so it's only natural that you'd think he knows what he's talking about! Remember that its also okay to grow over time as a person and change your mind!!
Him taking a pot shot at Marvel movies reminds me of Hbomberguy's video from years ago laughing at men who insist that women fighting is the most unrealistic thing about movies with aliens, physical gods, super suits and whatnot. Nothing's changed after all this time; intimidated sexists still gripe about women kicking ass even though they haven't had an arbitrary amount of training prior, when nobody ever questions men in the same situation (Tony Stark soloing a terrorist base after months of imprisonment, anyone?).
12:50 Agencies regularly check in on adopted kids, so it's no wonder why abuse would be reported more in step-familes. It took five years, and a sui attempt, before anything was done about the abuse I suffered from my biological father, despite my mother making reports.
I've seen boys younger than 15 consuming this toxic sludge and reiterating those exact talking points. They don't even seem to understand what they're saying as trashy redpill ideology settles into their subconscious. It's really concerning, honestly.
I remember when I first started dating my wife, and I would describe how we hardly every argue or fight, my friends' and family's (at the time) would reaction be to tell me that there is something wrong with our relationship. I've been with her for over 8 years and we still hardly ever argue, at most we would have disagreements, and she is still the best friend I ever made. According to Jordan Peterson, there is something VERY wrong with my relationship. We live in a very ill society 😂
My parents getting divorced was great for everyone, including them. I was 13 when their 15 year marriage ended and I remember thinking "finally." They continued to co-parent on eventually friendly terms and grew a lot from the experience, my dad especially going from abusive and closed minded to caring and introspective over the years. Both parents found amazing partners and are living great lives, they've also been very supportive in my recovery from addiction and mental health issues (5 months clean from fent with no desire to go back, going to therapy and making real progress for once, even going back to school to be a programmer/developer at 25.) Anyway my point is that as much as my life has been a mess it and the lives of my parents could have been so much worse if my parents were forced to stay together. Divorce is difficult but it's not a bad thing. It's necessary, some things aren't meant to last and fighting that inevitability only hurts you and those around you.
I'm so glad we officially no longer have to even pretend to take this guy seriously when he's pontificating on his supposed psychological """insight."""
I wish more people would pay attention to female country singers. Because like; the male songs yeah always seem to be "muh house, muh truck, muh country" etc etc but then you get to the female side and there are just... so many songs about abusive spouses dying under mysterious circumstances. Or trad wives getting bored of their stifling controlled lives and divorcing and getting on with their lives. It's like a whole different beast in some regards.
I was with my husband for 15 years before we married. We filed for a Domestic Partnership first, but once the state stopped recognizing those, we got married. It was purely for legal, and financial reasons.
So he's just yet again come up with an elaborate and convoluted way of showing the world that there's something else he has no idea what he's talking about? He's like a Jack of all trades when it comes to how many topics he'll rattle on about while having little to no knowledge about
He's using Canadian statistics to an audience that's mostly not Canadian. Canada did less direct genocide as early American settlers did, but they did do a whole lot of cultural genocide in the form of taking kids from certain populations who Catholics didn't see as being fit to parent. That system was never really abolished as it was carved apart, much like Segregation in the US getting carved out and replaced with socio-economic status. So, I'd guess there's probably some problems still plaguing Canada uniquely for this much like American "systemic racism" being a product of the timing on targeting socio-economic status.
@@gusmonster59 I know. I assumed that was a given among people in left-leaning channels. I'm American so I prefer Canadians to do the finger-wagging on that one.
I wonder (admittedly, based on nothing) if people who report super high proportions of positive to negative interactions just tend to have a background where you’re supposed to push negativity down and be grateful for what you have, even if it’s little? Or they’re just insecure? So say, a man might tell himself that the wife not yelling at him when he comes home from work is a “positive” interaction, but doesn’t report the regular yelling as negative because “that’s just how she is, you know”. At some point the denial will break you and you end up leaving the relationship, even though you had nothing but positive things to say about it while you were in it. But again, I’m a dumb dumb and that’s just guessing.
Well women are dumb and they have to be put in their place. So supposed dude having disobedient wife that needs to be beaten to obey is not a negative reaction. It's part of the duty of being a husband. Or something like that, wouldn't know I love my partner and would never hurt him.
That's a pretty good thought, I was wondering if was possibly about love bombing. Like the negative interactions are horrific but then the abuser with over compensate for it with lots of "love" and "affection". That is what actually leads to the resentment that Peterson described
there is some research that shows that yes, people won't report 'bad' things if they aren't aware they're bad. Men don't report experiencing SA or partner abuse cuz often they're not told they CAN or SHOULD fight for better/ Similarly, the best way to help someone realize they're being abused is to slowly point out where things could be better and let them come to their own conclusions
I've never heard someone say "I'm really glad my parents who hated each other stayed together and forced themselves to perform the motions and rituals of marriage for my sake. It really gave me a healthy and happy start in life."
We have a non psychologist keyboard doctor explaining the theories of thoughts that a psychologist, experts who receive degrees for study of the mind, is explaining. By the way, that part about women experiencing more emotions, is not anecdotal but well research based facts. That is a strength and a weakness for women; ability to connect with other human being more better for instance is a strength, however, noticing more details in particular the negatives naturally leaves one open to negative thoughts. If you're some world celebrated human brains inner working specialist by all means let us know. The topic of why humans, men and womens, behaviour is so complex that good and webmd is not enough.
15:10 the word is Affirmative! AKA Assertive. As a graduating Catholic HS senior on the last day of class in 1999, my religion/health/ethics class teacher administered an oral assertiveness psychometric test to the 15 boys & 15 girls ages 17-18, of whom 29 were Catholics & I was atheist. The scale was 0 to 400 points, with scores < 200 indicating a predominantly passive personality type, & > 200 a predominantly assertive, scores above 300 were labelled "aggressive" and nearing 400 were called "extremely aggressive", in contrast to
8:33 as someone who has kids and is divorced it doesn't have to be that hard. The divorce took about 6 months and cost about $1000, nowhere close to JP's numbers lol. Plus my ex and I coparent smoothly and both of our current partners are involved and wonderful with our kids. We created our own village and our kids are much better for it
is 8 billion people on this planet like, high enough of a number that we can stop using blanket statements and making generalizaions about people according to their gender, marital status, or literally any other descriptor? its so tired
Yeah lets not listen to a world renowned psycologist who has access to clinical data, but lets listen to millenials with a wokeism degree, nice. Actual BS
Jordy: "don't you dare have children, woman! Don't you dare have friends, or parents, or a job. Every second of your attention not given to me is unacceptable because I am a petulant man-child!" 😂 I need my psychology advice from Jordy P. about as much as I need my political campaigning advice from Ron de Santis, or my legal advice from Rudy Giuliani.
conflict is just a misalignment of interests. it doesn't necesserily mean verbal or physical agression. yes, if you want to go to wendys she wants to go to mcdonalds it is a conflict. and if you avoid resolving ccnflicts by consistently surrendering your own position it shows no self respect. and if you dont respect yourself your partner won't respect you either. and if your partner doesn't respect you that relationship is doomed.
As Jake was talking about how biological families abuse their kids more and the social stigma around reporting your birth parents to cops or any person of "authority" teacher, etc. Yeah, it's difficult, first off you need to understand that what's being done to you is abuse, that's the first hurdle, abusive parents normalize abuse, kids who are abused don't know they are being abused unless we teach kids that the things they've been normalized to are in fact instances of abuse. Secondly, when it comes to actually following through, the issue quickly becomes apparent, where am I (the kid) going to go after I report the parents for abuse? Either with other family (which maybe just as abusive if not more so) or foster care, which again suffers from the same issues as going with other family. It's all so geared against kids with their bio parents from getting away from abuse. Kids who've already for whatever reason are no longer with their bio parents have less issues with reporting abuse when it occurs, they've already been bounced around at least a few times. Edit: All this was really to say that while I was abused by my bio parents in various ways, I never reported it because I was more worried about ending up with worse.
Another question? Just wondering do you have children? Are you married? Have you experienced divorce? ….. because I have experienced all these things and I do not regret them or take back my choices - however - in my experience nothing about going though this was what I expected or anticipated and I made my choices to learn the lessons to follow the path of the ring pass not - so be it - I don’t believe one should judge another for the paths they must take to learn what we came here to learn to be better and grow on.
after millenia of being able to survive only in tight familial groups, claiming that marriege is some ultimate form of happiness seem like a tremendous COPE!
I'm reminded of the time Ted Cruz cited a public school teacher's sarcastic joke about getting an extra $1.50 in pay after the 8th wave of corporate handouts and billionaire-only tax cuts. I don't think he's so dumb that he took it seriously, I think he thinks we're all so dumb that we would. And when it comes to his voters, he is correct.
I am a woman and a mother and I have found more peace and innerstanding from Jordan Peterson than I have found from you cancelling him - where in actuality he is empowering and you are judging and demeaning him because he is challenging your innerstanding of the feminine and masculine duality that is present in all forms of what matter(is) - I suggest you check yourself before you wreck your cells
JP is genuinely one of the slimiest and most arrogant people I've ever encountered in my life. I look down on him completely and utterly. That said, he's not a misogynist, unless you define misogyny as an insufficient recognition of women's agency and responsibility, i.e. benevolent sexism. If anything, he might be a misandrist.
No, he's definitely a misogynist. He always says women are chaotic and irrational and men are the wise ones who should be trusted. He really sees women as second class citizens.
Judging by this video, you must have a phd of some sort or ? Have you achieved anything in life ? What makes you think your opinion outweighs his ? If i was in your spot, i would just stay quiet, learn and listen…
That's an appeal to authority. Someone isn't automatically right just because they claim to be an expert. The man is currently at risk to losing his license my guy. Even the court system thinks he's a lunatic.
Shorter Jordan Peterson: Staying in abusive relationships is good for you and your kids. Trust me on this.
You mean his comment on divorce?
Apply that on buildings: There should be no emergency exits unless you oppose the whole concept of living in buildings.
Everything is shorter than Jordan Peterson. He finds a couple of people who thinks he's "smart" and now he feels obligated to take three hours to say "I like ketchup." Dude is in love with the sound of his own voice. He's one of those people who should never be encouraged, because they can't handle it.
@@nunyabidness4220 he probably likes the smell of his own farts too. Maybe that's why his eyes are so often watery.
Right! Because staying makes it a 50/50 shot o working out or being murdered! Pretty great odds of working it out, right?
Sounds like he's doing the word salad version of the "ENDURE".
My step dad tested very low for neuroticism (sp?) while hitting us repeatedly on the face and body. No emotion- man was stoic af.
Jordan Peterson : Women are just too emotional and succumb to negative emotions easily.
Also Jordan Peterson: Is Jordan Peterson.
Men just don't understand that anger is an emotion.
@@user-th1pv6ks5o Fear as well. I see a lot of fear and anger among the "I'm not emotional" people. Probably more fear than anything though.
@@BaronVonQuiplyDidn't JP say something like learn to become a monster (or dangerous?) and learn to control it? Seems like some people skip the second part or mix up control and hide.
@@jochenkraus7016 The "I'm a barely contained monster" mindset sounds exactly like something that would appeal to the JP/Tate/12yo/my-41-year-old-friend demographic (I'm not kidding about that last one). As would being a wizard.
Like instead of being there for his wife when she was sick he got himself addicted to benzos.
And then instead of getting off them himself. He goes into a dangerous coma for months, while his wife is recovering from cancer surgery.
And it's not like a sick woman is cleaning his house and cooking his meals.
Like men are supposed to be strong and stoic. And women are supposed to be in a kitchen and not even look at other men.
But he is a cry baby, his wife is definitely not able to cook and clean, and also was a massage therapist.
And supposedly she fostered loads of kids, but Jordy never talks about him having fostered kids. (Must be her thing only)
It all just doesn't look to me like perfect examples of masculinity and femininity, and nuclear family, and marriage.
I tried to write a really dumb comment about how women ruin everything, but it just sounded like something JP would say seriously.
Why does Jordan Petersson always sound like he's about to start crying any second?
Because he is? And sometimes actually starts crying.
I wonder how much he pushes himself into that as manipulation tactics and how much is him not being well.
Because people who do that shit are cry-bullies.
@@godsire6217 No crybullies are people who claim victim status then use that to justify bullying others. Peterson says that's toxic and it's healthier to take control of your life and not be a victim.
Also, ever notice how it's fair game to make fun of a man for crying, but it's toxic masculinity if they don't cry?
@@alexanderm2702 are you stupid on purpose
@@alexanderm2702 It's okay for men to cry during a movie. That movie is
*The Good The Bad and The Ugly.*
Looks like Jordan Peterson has mommy issues. Almost every red pilled dudebro has it.
Grandmother issues as well, going by his past unsolicited statements...
@@BaronVonQuiplyI hope I get that out of my head one day. You both reminded me of that disturbing sh-t, thanks for nothing.
@@jochenkraus7016 As I get older I find that the secret to forgetting something is to stuff as much information into your head as you can. When I was 10 my brain was a file cabinet (we didn't have google yet, but a search engine metaphor is more accurate), but today when I relay a piece of information to someone, it's not rare for me to mention that I'm not sure how I know the fact, or for me to even give several options as to what the correct value is because I may be conflating data sheerly due to the mountains of information buzzing around my head. Case in point, I remember vaguely what Peterson's dream was about and why we shouldn't go there, but the details are lost in the cloud and as long as I don't expend much mental energy on the topic I won't recall (not fully voluntary though, I have recalled things against my will because the topic stuck in my head until decoded/decompressed from hazy storage).
Aaaaand feminists are well adjusted and normal I suppose lol
Aaaaand feminists are well adjusted and normal I suppose lol
Favorite part of this video is when Jake heard Peterson say that men were indentured servants and Jake immediately got caught up in the euphoria of being anti capitalist that it took him a few seconds to realize Peterson was actually saying "divorce bad because men have to pay child support" 😂
"women get unhappy faster because they're not as strong and therefore men are more dangerous to them"
so men are the problem for being violent, unpredictable weirdos then? got it.
"women are also primarily responsible for infants so they have a reason to be more nervous"
so the problem is still men (not taking equal responsibility for their kids)? got it.
like, I don't even disagree. if we assume that women are more prone to things like nervousness then I might also suggest these two factors. the problem is the framing. he thinks women ending relationships because "oh they're just -irrational- afraid", whereas I think that there's nothing wrong with them ending these relationships if they are making them unhappy.
also: "divorce is expensive so one or both of you will be poor after" ...okay? So make divorce as cheap as possible then? Or is he talking about wealth redistribution from one partner to the other? Which is usually done when one of those partners is the primary caregiver of the kids (and therefore needs more money because kids are expensive) and/or needs extra support because they're disabled or will have a worse economic potential on their own?
He also said, at some point, that men would only agree to rape being an actual crime against women, if instead it was defined as a crime against the men in women's lives or as a "property crime" (saying women are men's property). So, what he's saying is....men are awful and only care about seeking justice for crimes against women, when they have a stake in it?
What planet do you live on?
"Every second they spends with their child is a second they don't spend with you"
Jordan Peterson explaining why NEETs make the best partners
I had no idea that Jordan was so needy, but that statement is _incredibly_ telling. Why the hell would you want to be around your partner all the time? How about some space for yourself?
And that's completely ignoring the fact that people just have other obligations then spending time with him. What, should she not work either because that's time she's not spending with him? Should she not have her own friend group? Should she not go out for errands without him? Should she go to work with _him_ so that she can sit there gormlessly holding his hand while he earns the big bucks?
@@SilverDragonJay It sounds insane, but that is probably actually what he wants. Like with Steven Crowder refusing to let his wife take the car to buy groceries
I remember the days when I was watching Peterson's stuff, and I just have to wonder what was going through my head at the time. Because I watch his recent stuff, and he's genuinely psychotic. I don't know how I agreed with him on things years ago, and it's kind of disappointing. But that was also around the time where I was lacking a friend group, and really kind of aimless, so a lot of his stuff just resonated. But now that I have those things, and wider perspective on the world as a whole, literally nothing he says makes any reasonable sense. I've never been a relationship, but I've helped my friends in theirs, and I'm currently 4 for 4 on those, so I'm okay at it, and everything he says just drips with horrible ideas--for men and women.
First thing is that until recently, he came across quite well put together compared to now. Emphasis on "came across" and "compared to now".
Maybe the self help things resonated. My impression is that this got him many fans that defended him later.
Another thing is rethoric. He strings things together like there's a logical link or just makes claims that might be true or not. Ben Shapiro also does that.
Then he's a psychologist so he probably knows a thing or two about that, including manipulation.
The only person I knew who watched Jordan Peterson is my partner's former roommate who was found to have been emotionally and sexually abusive to a mutual friend when she was in a relationship with that man. He later got a dog that he would be emotionally distant to (though he did feed her and walk her) and would shut it out of his bedroom. He then began writing manifestos about my bf and emailing them to him. He was a fucking psycho and really broke that mutual friend down for years
Right wing talking heads as a rule get worse and worse, because they get extreme backlash from their audience if they ever express that there's a line they won't cross.
Don’t be too hard on yourself. It’s normal to adopt some information and disregard other information. JP has always been crap I think we can all agree he is so much worse now compared to “the days” you watched. Overall I think it’s very positive and healthy to move on from something if it no longer resonates.
I wouldn't be too hard on yourself. A lot of the stuff he went on about in the past was either some truths that were intermingled with BS, or things that unless you were a professional of psychology yourself, how could you be expected to know any different?
When he talks about things like serotonin and lobsters and mental health patients...well, he's a psychologist talking about psychology so it's only natural that you'd think he knows what he's talking about!
Remember that its also okay to grow over time as a person and change your mind!!
The letter "B" in the name Jordan B Peterson stands for "Benzos". 😂
Him taking a pot shot at Marvel movies reminds me of Hbomberguy's video from years ago laughing at men who insist that women fighting is the most unrealistic thing about movies with aliens, physical gods, super suits and whatnot. Nothing's changed after all this time; intimidated sexists still gripe about women kicking ass even though they haven't had an arbitrary amount of training prior, when nobody ever questions men in the same situation (Tony Stark soloing a terrorist base after months of imprisonment, anyone?).
12:50 Agencies regularly check in on adopted kids, so it's no wonder why abuse would be reported more in step-familes. It took five years, and a sui attempt, before anything was done about the abuse I suffered from my biological father, despite my mother making reports.
When Jordan Peterson says the research says step parents are worse.
Does he mean research? Or does he mean in Disney films he’s seen?
"You're worth less on the [sexual] market place"
JFC, these are adults talking like this....
I've seen boys younger than 15 consuming this toxic sludge and reiterating those exact talking points. They don't even seem to understand what they're saying as trashy redpill ideology settles into their subconscious. It's really concerning, honestly.
One of my professors used this misogynist as a positive reference and role model once, safe to say the class content was audio vomit.
I remember when I first started dating my wife, and I would describe how we hardly every argue or fight, my friends' and family's (at the time) would reaction be to tell me that there is something wrong with our relationship.
I've been with her for over 8 years and we still hardly ever argue, at most we would have disagreements, and she is still the best friend I ever made. According to Jordan Peterson, there is something VERY wrong with my relationship. We live in a very ill society 😂
Jake: what’s the cost of leaving the back door open, chat? ;)
Me, suddenly very stressed: someone will steal my bike
My parents getting divorced was great for everyone, including them. I was 13 when their 15 year marriage ended and I remember thinking "finally." They continued to co-parent on eventually friendly terms and grew a lot from the experience, my dad especially going from abusive and closed minded to caring and introspective over the years. Both parents found amazing partners and are living great lives, they've also been very supportive in my recovery from addiction and mental health issues (5 months clean from fent with no desire to go back, going to therapy and making real progress for once, even going back to school to be a programmer/developer at 25.)
Anyway my point is that as much as my life has been a mess it and the lives of my parents could have been so much worse if my parents were forced to stay together. Divorce is difficult but it's not a bad thing. It's necessary, some things aren't meant to last and fighting that inevitability only hurts you and those around you.
I'm so glad we officially no longer have to even pretend to take this guy seriously when he's pontificating on his supposed psychological """insight."""
I wish more people would pay attention to female country singers. Because like; the male songs yeah always seem to be "muh house, muh truck, muh country" etc etc but then you get to the female side and there are just... so many songs about abusive spouses dying under mysterious circumstances. Or trad wives getting bored of their stifling controlled lives and divorcing and getting on with their lives. It's like a whole different beast in some regards.
Ahhh so you support spousal murder. How very progressive of you to dress up your hate and discrimination as "woke" lol
I was with my husband for 15 years before we married. We filed for a Domestic Partnership first, but once the state stopped recognizing those, we got married. It was purely for legal, and financial reasons.
So he's just yet again come up with an elaborate and convoluted way of showing the world that there's something else he has no idea what he's talking about? He's like a Jack of all trades when it comes to how many topics he'll rattle on about while having little to no knowledge about
Jordan B Peterson, world's most famous jackass of all trades.
He's using Canadian statistics to an audience that's mostly not Canadian. Canada did less direct genocide as early American settlers did, but they did do a whole lot of cultural genocide in the form of taking kids from certain populations who Catholics didn't see as being fit to parent. That system was never really abolished as it was carved apart, much like Segregation in the US getting carved out and replaced with socio-economic status. So, I'd guess there's probably some problems still plaguing Canada uniquely for this much like American "systemic racism" being a product of the timing on targeting socio-economic status.
Just say what they did - they took indigenous children from their parents and put them in religious schools where they were beaten and often starved.
@@gusmonster59 I know. I assumed that was a given among people in left-leaning channels. I'm American so I prefer Canadians to do the finger-wagging on that one.
Now Peterson is promoting Nick Fuentes. Yes. JP despises women.
Sociopaths listen to JP and go "guess I'm alright". All he does is justify and rationalize being a horrible person.
If you can justify and rationalize it without being delusional, you're not a bad person you're a realist.
I wonder (admittedly, based on nothing) if people who report super high proportions of positive to negative interactions just tend to have a background where you’re supposed to push negativity down and be grateful for what you have, even if it’s little? Or they’re just insecure? So say, a man might tell himself that the wife not yelling at him when he comes home from work is a “positive” interaction, but doesn’t report the regular yelling as negative because “that’s just how she is, you know”. At some point the denial will break you and you end up leaving the relationship, even though you had nothing but positive things to say about it while you were in it. But again, I’m a dumb dumb and that’s just guessing.
Well women are dumb and they have to be put in their place.
So supposed dude having disobedient wife that needs to be beaten to obey is not a negative reaction. It's part of the duty of being a husband.
Or something like that, wouldn't know I love my partner and would never hurt him.
That's a pretty good thought, I was wondering if was possibly about love bombing. Like the negative interactions are horrific but then the abuser with over compensate for it with lots of "love" and "affection". That is what actually leads to the resentment that Peterson described
there is some research that shows that yes, people won't report 'bad' things if they aren't aware they're bad. Men don't report experiencing SA or partner abuse cuz often they're not told they CAN or SHOULD fight for better/ Similarly, the best way to help someone realize they're being abused is to slowly point out where things could be better and let them come to their own conclusions
Jordan Peterson is right. So, let's end the institution of marriage.
I've never heard someone say "I'm really glad my parents who hated each other stayed together and forced themselves to perform the motions and rituals of marriage for my sake. It really gave me a healthy and happy start in life."
i like your cob horns XD How this man has a wife and kids tho is madness lmao i feel bad for both.
We have a non psychologist keyboard doctor explaining the theories of thoughts that a psychologist, experts who receive degrees for study of the mind, is explaining.
By the way, that part about women experiencing more emotions, is not anecdotal but well research based facts. That is a strength and a weakness for women; ability to connect with other human being more better for instance is a strength, however, noticing more details in particular the negatives naturally leaves one open to negative thoughts.
If you're some world celebrated human brains inner working specialist by all means let us know. The topic of why humans, men and womens, behaviour is so complex that good and webmd is not enough.
15:10 the word is Affirmative! AKA Assertive.
As a graduating Catholic HS senior on the last day of class in 1999, my religion/health/ethics class teacher administered an oral assertiveness psychometric test to the 15 boys & 15 girls ages 17-18, of whom 29 were Catholics & I was atheist. The scale was 0 to 400 points, with scores < 200 indicating a predominantly passive personality type, & > 200 a predominantly assertive, scores above 300 were labelled "aggressive" and nearing 400 were called "extremely aggressive", in contrast to
I genuinely laughed out loud at "Why is that?... Men tend to be poor partners, and women are allowed to divorce people."
8:33 as someone who has kids and is divorced it doesn't have to be that hard. The divorce took about 6 months and cost about $1000, nowhere close to JP's numbers lol. Plus my ex and I coparent smoothly and both of our current partners are involved and wonderful with our kids. We created our own village and our kids are much better for it
is 8 billion people on this planet like, high enough of a number that we can stop using blanket statements and making generalizaions about people according to their gender, marital status, or literally any other descriptor?
its so tired
Yeah lets not listen to a world renowned psycologist who has access to clinical data, but lets listen to millenials with a wokeism degree, nice. Actual BS
Ive had disagreements with my husband and i would still call them "positive interactions" communication can turn a bad feeling into a good one
Jordy: "don't you dare have children, woman! Don't you dare have friends, or parents, or a job. Every second of your attention not given to me is unacceptable because I am a petulant man-child!" 😂
I need my psychology advice from Jordy P. about as much as I need my political campaigning advice from Ron de Santis, or my legal advice from Rudy Giuliani.
Jake self help book when!?
one must imagine marriage happy...
It's amazing how much worse Peterson has gotten since the good ole' days of reviewing his "12 Rules for Life" travesty of a book.
conflict is just a misalignment of interests.
it doesn't necesserily mean verbal or physical agression.
yes, if you want to go to wendys she wants to go to mcdonalds it is a conflict.
and if you avoid resolving ccnflicts by consistently surrendering your own position it shows no self respect.
and if you dont respect yourself your partner won't respect you either.
and if your partner doesn't respect you that relationship is doomed.
As Jake was talking about how biological families abuse their kids more and the social stigma around reporting your birth parents to cops or any person of "authority" teacher, etc.
Yeah, it's difficult, first off you need to understand that what's being done to you is abuse, that's the first hurdle, abusive parents normalize abuse, kids who are abused don't know they are being abused unless we teach kids that the things they've been normalized to are in fact instances of abuse.
Secondly, when it comes to actually following through, the issue quickly becomes apparent, where am I (the kid) going to go after I report the parents for abuse? Either with other family (which maybe just as abusive if not more so) or foster care, which again suffers from the same issues as going with other family.
It's all so geared against kids with their bio parents from getting away from abuse.
Kids who've already for whatever reason are no longer with their bio parents have less issues with reporting abuse when it occurs, they've already been bounced around at least a few times.
Edit: All this was really to say that while I was abused by my bio parents in various ways, I never reported it because I was more worried about ending up with worse.
Uh, that's supposed to be news?
Another question? Just wondering do you have children? Are you married? Have you experienced divorce? ….. because I have experienced all these things and I do not regret them or take back my choices - however - in my experience nothing about going though this was what I expected or anticipated and I made my choices to learn the lessons to follow the path of the ring pass not - so be it - I don’t believe one should judge another for the paths they must take to learn what we came here to learn to be better and grow on.
dude im trying to listen to what JP says but you're interrupting the whole time judging every word he says. Makes me very neurotic.
She's not going to sleep with you bro
are you for real now or are you just pretending not to understand what he means by 'conflict'?
Why shouldnt jake doa selfhelp book or blog.
Maybe cause he has no solutions, just "other people are to blame, you're perfect just as you are"
@@alexanderm2702 I pity you because you're dumb
Peterson keeps referring to studies but there is never a link.
after millenia of being able to survive only in tight familial groups, claiming that marriege is some ultimate form of happiness seem like a tremendous COPE!
Women ruin everything. It's just a fact.
And because this is the internet, someone will take this comment seriously and agree with it.
I'm reminded of the time Ted Cruz cited a public school teacher's sarcastic joke about getting an extra $1.50 in pay after the 8th wave of corporate handouts and billionaire-only tax cuts. I don't think he's so dumb that he took it seriously, I think he thinks we're all so dumb that we would. And when it comes to his voters, he is correct.
Well, it's true. I try everyday to make sure I ruin everything. 😏
@@gusmonster59 I forgive you. Just don't do it agai-
... you just did it again, didn't you.
Man, did someone picked you yet?
I am a woman and a mother and I have found more peace and innerstanding from Jordan Peterson than I have found from you cancelling him - where in actuality he is empowering and you are judging and demeaning him because he is challenging your innerstanding of the feminine and masculine duality that is present in all forms of what matter(is) - I suggest you check yourself before you wreck your cells
How are you going to judge him based off a video not made by him?
By listening to the things he says in the video?
JP is genuinely one of the slimiest and most arrogant people I've ever encountered in my life. I look down on him completely and utterly.
That said, he's not a misogynist, unless you define misogyny as an insufficient recognition of women's agency and responsibility, i.e. benevolent sexism. If anything, he might be a misandrist.
He promoted Enforced Monogamy while defending an Incel murderer.
No, he's definitely a misogynist. He always says women are chaotic and irrational and men are the wise ones who should be trusted. He really sees women as second class citizens.
Ok, pal
Judging by this video, you must have a phd of some sort or ? Have you achieved anything in life ? What makes you think your opinion outweighs his ? If i was in your spot, i would just stay quiet, learn and listen…
Your fragile excuse for masculinity is showing.
That's an appeal to authority. Someone isn't automatically right just because they claim to be an expert. The man is currently at risk to losing his license my guy.
Even the court system thinks he's a lunatic.