DODGE LIED‼️ Hellcat Charger & Charger Scatpack 392's DO NOT need PREMIUM Gas. WATCH THIS VIDEO!
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- DODGE LIED! Hellcat Charger & Charger Scatpack 392's DO NOT need PREMIUM Gas. WATCH THIS VIDEO! 2020 Dodge Charger Scatpack Widebody Owner has NEVER put PREMIUM GAS in his car EVER! He only uses Regular Gas and the car functions perfectly! Should I be able to use Regular Gas in my Dodge Charger Hellcat then? (MUST WATCH)...
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Done it myself… never had any issues…
Saving 3-4 dollars on a tank of gas for worse gas mileage and the potential for detonation damage? Hard pass
never seen detonation dealerships put 87 in all vehicles
@@Murphys_Law9 I datalog and see knock retard running on 93 occasionally. It’s rare for it to be loud enough to actually hear so without a data logger I wouldn’t be too confident there isn’t any detonation happening especially during the summer months.
I put premium in my Nissan 😂I fell you
Dude bought the wrong car if he is heavily conscious about MPG and counts every dollar at a gas pump. He needs to trade his 6.4 for Toyota Prius.
Bruh. My hondas too. @@OtmbElfam i deliver gasoline for a living its levels to that ishhh please believe me. Amy gas will burn but. Low grade gas will leave your values dirty and cause them to stick. Subsequently decreasing the rate in which the car intakes air and exhaust combustion fumes. Ripper in the Car game for looks. Not performance so yeah🚫😮💨
Anybody with butterfly doors on a muscle car is not to be trusted!
Hater
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Yeah 😞
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Data logs would show he does NOT know what he’s talking about. Timing being pulled and knock correction constant while running 87 on a 93 tuned engine. Just because you don’t “Hear” knock, Does not mean there isn’t constant knock events going on while the engine is under load. I think engineers know more than the average joe with enough money and not enough brains.
I am not too familiar with the Dodge PCM but on my LS6 running low octane lands you in the low octane tables and keeps you there for a while. Most people probably wouldn’t notice but the performance drops off for sure.
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Buying a performance car and cheaping out on gas is like buying a mansion but using candles to light up a room. If you cant afford to use the correct fuel sell your Scat / Cat
Oh shup up lmaoo read the manuel
great way to get poor real quick
Fact😂
@@jackobhargreave7347you'll only get poor putting premium in your cat/scat if you couldnt afford the car in the first place. smh
If the man can buy special made doors for the car, I'm sure he can afford premium if he wanted to.
For the people watching... DON'T PUT REGULAR GAS IN YOUR V8 NOT A RT,392 or HC!!!!
Only the auto R/Ts, SXTs, and GTs take regular 87. All manual transmission R/Ts, scat packs, and hellcats take premium bro gone need a new motor before he reaches 100k miles
I got a RT I can put 87 😮
I blend E85 with 87. Internet claims e85 has over 100 octane rating. I get free fuel from work.
Can you put a 100 octane on v6 challenger?
@@jafp1617 i dont own a v6
DO NOT DO THIS IN YOUR SCAT PACK OR HELLCAT! YOU WILL DAMAGE YOU ENGINE AND LOSE POWER. Cars have knock sensors and will pull timing to protect the engine which is why they won’t hear any knock.
Yep and these fools don't realize they loosing some power to! SmH!
And if you had the car "tuned" 93.is better run car
That is true
@@Mr.FrogClaus used Diablosport inTune i3 Platinum Tuner my car
@@EricHansen-fr3cz Damn!! Digg that!!🦾🦾🦾🦾🦾🦾🦾
It would be best if you used a higher octane-rated fuel. Just because it runs and you don't hear the detonation doesn't mean it's not having knock. I used 87 in my old Chrysler 300C a few times when the manual said to use 89. I remember once having it serviced at the dealership to have a general overlook and fluids changed. They asked me if I ever heard the engine knocking. It confused me until they told me they saw a few knock events on their scan tool. If you are in higher elevations, you can get away with it, which is why they have 85 octane (not to be confused with E85), but the closer you are to sea level, the more you want to get to what the manufacturer specifies. If you drive hard, you should use the higher octane anyway, in my opinion, to avoid the potential of it happening. My Ram has a stock 5.7 Hemi, and it will ping if I floor it which is why I run 89. My grandfather used 87 in it when he was still around with no issues, but then again he didn't drive it like he stole it the way I do... hard to kick the speed habit when you've done it for so long in a 300. 🥴
What’s detention in this sense?
In the 80 and 90... all V8 owners proud to say... regular 87 Dog...
Detonation is when the gas is lit by the spark plugs in the cylinder head to push the piston which rotates the camshaft. @@killerb5305
I’ll stick to the manufacturer suggestion of premium fuel 👍🏾. I like my car and plan on keeping it for a long time.😂
Good man, engineers told us to put 93 not 87 and they are telling us to do so for a reason.
He better start saving that $5 a tank. He's gonna need it. The computer can pull timing but it can't pull stupid out of the front seat.😮😂
The 392 manual says "Use of gasoline with an octane number lower than recommended octane can cause engine failure and may void the New Vehicle Limited Warranty." ... "The use of 91 or higher octane “Premium” gasoline is required in these engines
In my opinion, I rather get the premium since it lasts longer than regular
Yeah I agree bro. That regular gas going to burn quick
it also costs you alot more for the 93 so it should last longer. it would be worse if it burned quicker. E85 is alot cheaper and burns extremely quick
I'm REALLY confused. How do you spend so much money on all kinds of accessory parts, labor, car payments, not to mention insurance but be that cheap on fuel?
Another reason I would never buy a used Scat Pack or Hellcat.
It is probably like the old GM L92 6.2s, where 92 octane was recommended. If you run lower octane, ECM pulls timing and you lose 15-20 hp.
The reason they recommend higher octane fuel is because of power and efficiency, so no you may not hear knock, or have an engine light on but he isn’t running his engine with optimal performance. Higher octane fuel also has more detergents to protect the engine, the little driving you guys just did really doesn’t show anything, if he commonly tracks his car he will for sure experience knock and lower performance under endurance driving.. there’s a reason 100 octane racing fuel makes a difference over 87
People who do not understand how motors and ECU work will do dumb things like this.
Hard pass his car is literally pulling timing I'd hate to be the next owner lol
You are correct, it will run fine on Regular. The PCM compensates for lower octane and adjusts. It may lose a little Horsepower but will run fine.
Not for long
So I know this is wrong. Or there is more to it that he isn't saying. I have a 2021 Charger Scat. I ALWAYS run 93. Since the day the dealer filled it up. My wife borrowed the Scat and thought she was doing me a favor by filling it up. She filled it with 87. I IMMEDIATELY noticed the difference when I started driving. Car ran like S***. I drove 200 miles round trip just to get that gas out and fill with 93.
Should have just added two bottles of octane booster 🤷♂️
I wouldn’t even do it. I don’t drive mine enough to worry about gas prices
As others have mentioned, the car is definately pulling timing which is reducing performance. Just because you don't hear detonation doesn't mean it's not happening. Just because it hasn't blown up yet doesn't mean it's not going to. Anyone who understands octane, detonation, and has looked at a data log wouldn't do this.
Facts I seen ppl who race blow up engines using a low quality gas. I have cars that’s cammed and supercharged. And I can tell the difference in how it idles when using or even mixing 87 in the tank. My old skool vehicles will shut off if I put 87 in them while idling
He didn’t even turn he motor off when filling it up, explains why he thinks 87 is ok to put in this car
Bro you don’t got to turn your car off when you filling up😂😂
For real it’s about zero big deal to leave the vehicle running while fueling 😂😂😂😂
Shoot, I leave my car running nearly every darn time I fill gas in my car, no problems after doing this for years 😅
ECU cries for mercy and reduces ignition timing, dyno that car with 87 in it lol
The load a dyno pulls, it'll probably throw a rod 😂
If ignorance was a person
I would not put regular in the supercharged 6.2…. That’s pushing the envelope a little bit
The computer pulls timing so you won’t hear the knock. You lose power and gas Mileage. On top of that not only is he using 87 he’s using cheap has with no detergent. I use she’ll only in my scat and royal purple synthetic oil. This is why you never buy used performance vehicles as people don’t take care if them
I can 100% tell a difference when I put in 87, it pulls timing especially at midrange and loses some punch. I'll pay the extra $200/year for all the horsies
My wife drives a 2023 Chevy Traverse and has only used 93 octane in her car. Tell dude stop being cheap and put the right fuel in his damn Scat. 🤦🏿♂️
You put regular gas in that Cat if you want to, you will be needing a new engine. Using a lower octane fuel then what it's tuned for is a dangerous game to play, especially in forced air applications.
I don't even fw QT gas but getting UNLEADED from them is wild 😂
You're really misinforming people with this my guy. It's science of combustion and design, all the Hemi's are designed to run off of 9.1+ especially if they have 6-speeds, that's why even a 5.7 with a 6-speed the manual says to use 91+. The only challenger that should be getting anything less than 91+ for optimal is the V6s.
I fog my engine and add seafoam before every winter for storage, always premium synthetic oil, and the highest rated gasoline that i can find. You'll never catch me getting a drop of anything less near that gas tank. This damn car has costed me enough in payments. No point in getting ignorant now to save a few bucks a year. If you're going to be this cheap with a high performance engine, you may as well trade it in for a Toyota.
Long time mechanic here. Felt I needed to add some information here from experience. First of all, I highly suggest you use whatever octane gas your owner’s manual recommends you use. If it says premium only, that means the engine is tuned for premium. Yes the engineers have probably idiot proofed the tune but that doesn’t mean the engine will run just as good on regular nor not be susceptible to any detonation. Secondly, when it says “premium” on the pump, that’s not just some marketing BS, the fuel is actually of a higher quality. You would be shocked to see the difference between the inside of an engine that has only run regular vs premium. Regular fuel is NASTY and will leave your intake ports coated with a thick sticky carbon residue that’s very difficult to clean. A engine that’s only run premium fuel on the other hand will still look new on the inside even after 150,000 miles. I’ve seen a single tank of bad quality fuel wipe out a vehicles fuel pumps and injectors. These are expensive cars, you do not want to be cheeping out on stuff like that, if you’re going to do that, you might as well skip out on oil changes as well.
For anybody that needs a guide per owners manual…..
3.6 (SXT/GT): 87 Octane
5.7 (R/T) auto: 87 Octane
5.7 (R/T) manual: 91-93 Octane
6.4 (Scat Pack/SRT 392): 91-93 Octane
6.2 (Hellcat): 91-93 Octane
5.7 Daytona factory recommends 89 Octane
@@DonInADaytonayup those are different from a regular rt
@@jayygotit_1 🤔 in what ways? I thought it just had a CAI and interior comforts ngl
@Dar my 2015 auto RT manual says 89 recommended 87 OK but don’t drive aggressive. I am tuned and supercharged now anyway so it’s 93 for me. I never put 87 in before the mods it was always 89.
That engine is set up for premium fuel. Premium Fuel Burns, slower, and once you put regular gas in the engine That's supposed to burn slower it causes damage because regular gas burns faster and is meant for none performance vehicle that's not going to generate more heat
I have a 18 challenger SRT 392...and for real if I hadn't read all the responses I probably would've been a cheap ass and put 87 octane in mine...so I appreciate yall input...so for all the cheaply gas savers who own a muscle car pay attention to the comments and less to the video...
No way it's making the same power on 87 octane.
Dude now has a V6.
1:27 What do you do, that other people don't? I put lambo doors on a Dodge.
The computer adjust for the poorer gas, higher octane always gives you more power
we lab tested a bunch of different gas samples from around osoyoos Canada and some of the 94 came back as less than 87. Ethanol free had ethanol in it also. You can never truly know what you are getting at the pump here.
In a high performance engine, would you put in premium or premium ethanol-free gas? I've done both but cannot tell a difference.
Knockout 360 Please don’t do that too your Hellcat.💯💯💯
He won't, this is just for views.
"To" not too.
N/A engines Will run fine on Regular Gas & Mid Grade … it’s The Supercharged and Turbo Charged Engines that Require 93 octane & E85 6.2 Hellcat …. the 5.7 , 6.1 & 6.4 N/A Have Ran Fine I’m a Technician… Detonation Comes From Improper ECU Map Tuning & Fuel/ Air Ratio Incorrect Fuel injectors and Not Enough Fuel Pressure (Fuel Pump ) to The Injectors…Adding Power Modifiers before Reinforcing the Engine (Building) (SRT 6.4 Hemi) Up 5.7 Hemi and 6.1 Hemi’s are The Best Bet To Build… if you Got Deep Pockets Get The 426 Helliphant
Once them lifters get the hemi tick it’s a wrap. I’ll stick to mid grade or premium in my 5.7
The regular 5.7 can take regular gas just fine without issue. They are made for that. The owner manual even says it is acceptable but mid grade is recommended (at least in the rams, but it’s the same engine as an r/t so I don’t see why it’d be different). Also, the lifter/cam shaft issues are caused by oil not the gas used, which is why you shouldn’t idle them once the high idle passes. I saw a video from a mechanic saying swapping to a hellcat oil pump may help it be *less* of a worry for the 5.7 since it feeds more oil every cycle than the standard ones do.
@@psd.3144yup hellcat oil pump or a melling oil pump
@@psd.3144 I’ll still stick with premium 🤷🏽♂️
U can get away with 89 in a rt unless its the manual challenger
You won't hear or feel the knock but you'll definitely see it on a data log..along with the timing being pulled..ask me how I know 🤣
That’s crazy bro, great video
He didn’t tell you he had octane boost in the tank before hand so it levels out 😂😂
Buddy can keep putting 87 in his sh*t, I’ll stick with my higher octane fuels, it’s the long run that get ya
Yeeeaaabhh. No. I messed up one time and damn near lost my shyte
Put octane boost in instantly after!
If the owners manual says premium fuel recommended , then yes 87-89 octane, but if it says premium fuel required 91-93 octane is a must.
I was showing an older friend of mine this video to get his take and he just shook his head and said "He'll learn the hard way."
Plot twist he added a bottle on octane booster
You 100% need 91 octane. Don't listen to this guy
Ima be honest guys please put premium in here if you have a scat it may work for this guy but not for everyone
You should of went to the hp page to see if it was a difference in hp
Bruh! His car is name ripper he's trying to kill it☠️.
You may not remember but I told you awhile back that when I bought my 2018 Challenger 392 Shaker Scat Pack that my dealer said I could run regular gas in my Scat and that is all i have run. I have a little over 60,000 thousand miles on it and have never had any problems, the dealer always checks the car when they change the oil and no problem. My 6.4 gets 21 mpg all day long around town and 25 to 26 mpg on the highway. Now i also have a 2020 Ram pickup with a 6.4 L engine but unfortunately it doesn't get as good gas mileage and i also only run regular gas in that also. Now there another guy in my area that has a 6.4 L Challenger and he says his Challenger doesn't get very good gas mileage, at least that what he says. I would like to know what kind of mileage other people are getting with there 6.4 ?.
Computer adjust for the lower octane, you will just have little less power 😮 older cars with no computer will knock
I used to think about it but I had a German before the scat so the premium never bothered me except for when it was over $5.00 😂
I had a rdx I didn’t kno it needed premium at first but when I found out it needed premium and I started running it. I could definitely tell the difference in the power it was making in the way it responded. I’m driving Benz now a GL 63 and I refuse to put anything less than premium. I got the truck for power so I want the power.😂
Tell me you can’t afford a muscle car without telling me you can’t afford a muscle car. I own a RT and even I wouldn’t put 87. If that’s coming from a RT owner then your definitely not ready for a scat
Warranty voided. Engine gon knock
This why I said most these people be imposters.
If they were to actually know the build of their car instead of just buying it, then they would know that the few dollars he saving in gas, is gonna equal thousands when he has to repair his engine.
Certain gases are recommended because of combustion ratios.
If your car don’t need premium do not put premium, your wasting your money.
If your car needs premium use premium.
My last Mercedes took premium as most of them do, yes there were some people who only did regular and had no issue, there were others who got the knock and came out of pocket thousands in repairs. It’s not like putting diesel in your tank, in most cases it’s not gonna be a automatic failure, but doesn’t mean that it can start knocking at anytime.
Why take the chance.
What happens is the ECM/ECU recalibrates the timing for the lower octane. My 2018 Mustang GT, My twin turbo BMW does it, most modern cars are capable of doing so. Do you all remember when they had gas shortage when you could only get 87? My cars ran and didn’t knock but this what happened: the gas burned out almost twice as fast and power was bit less. I believe if Ripper check compares zero to sixty times he will see a difference between premium and regular.
Your definetly right, To add a little food for thought; the higher octane burns at a slower rate than the lower octane fuels. Yes, the premium takes longer to consume; that's why it makes car owners think that the premium fuel lasts longer and yields better fuel economy.
Also If CAR Diablosport inTune Tuner 93 Octane
I have a 392 Daytona even the manual says 91 octane only but we dont have 91 in Houston so 93 it is. Im not even doing that dumb ish.
I put regular on my scat until like 8k miles when it was a lease, after purchasing I started using premium, i never felt any difference in power or engine knocking , at the end of the day it’s only like $4 or $5 more than regular and i think its worth it
Its a lease pal, if you owned the car you would see a couple thousand miles later your would out of a engine and left with the loan and the burden of buying a new car or engine
NOOOOOOO bruhhh that limbo door gotta go😂
Have you ever had “shift to Park then desired gear issue” all regular maintenance has been done. 2021 scat
Smh 🤦🏿♂️ I been using premium and gone always use premium
I always owned hondas and use 93. On the rare occasions id throw in regular just to see if it would make a difference and the regular would burn faster. Now i have a 22 ram rebel. And still only 93 i wouldnt experiment with putting cheaper gas in the ram.
It's just going to Drink Gas like crazy
Only put regular if you're going to sell the car in 1-2 years. 🤣🤣🤣 Which most people do.
dealerships put 87 in and they top it off when you buy the car and they give you a "free tank of gas" lol.
Aint even think about that! 😂
Well he might be fine running on that straight pump gas for now but he will lose HP and he may not get as good of gas mileage. But one thing is for sure he will have to have injectors changed out sooner than anyone else would who runs non ethanol. But if you are a person who doesn’t plan to keep the car long term and you don’t race it then why would you care if you gum up the works. Probably going to trade it in or sell it out right in another year or so.
I always tried to put 93 in mine… of course it’s OK but the motor is gonna pull timing.
Idc what he does , I’ll never put 87 in my 392
Quickest way to Knock ya timing chain
Nah regular gas burns even faster I’ll stick to premium
I ain't riskin' it.
Yea you cant always hear knock lol. It will pull timing most times way before you hear it. So that thing has probably pulled timing massively.
87 gas on a performance car is wild 😂
@Knockout360 do not try this lol especially for a super charged engine 6.2 is very much built different from a 6.4! I work at the dealership and this usually fails long term. And by the time its fails, powertrain warranty is expired.
Nah...Nah..
Have you ever heard about Knocking, You'll never use regular gas again....for high performance car, E93 is must not optional for last longer engine.
I see why his engine doesn’t sound healthy. He probably runs cheap oil too
Yoooo that is crazy brother 😮
I have to scats challenger an charger been putting 87 for that last 4 years never had a problem drove one to NY from Florida for a week and drove the other to Texas from Florida and still running strong
What are you the Mopar police you got to pop the hood to check this is 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I’d be more mad Dodge lied about ‘24 being the last year or how the concept was gonna look 😡smh 💯
That’s a LIE !! I accidentally pumped 2 gal of 87 by accident and then put just 3 gal of premium in my 18 r/t 392 and towards the end my car lost all power but would still run until I pumped more premium to flush out the rest of the 87
Never will put regular in my scat
What’s with the Jack the Ripper theme, cheese ball
The RT manual say you can use 87. Literally.
My brother delivers gas to the station and he told me when the regular tank side is full and they got more they put and mix the left over regular in with the premium. Gas stations that stay busy don't really have this issue but the ones that don't.. well the more you know lol
cross dropping gas is some nasty work
That’s wild I haule fuel and that’s grounds for being fired asap there’s always alil cross drop but definitely not like that
@hemidreamz1620 he says they get permission to do it, but it's not too much to really dilute it
These car's engines are very sensitive. They have knock sensors and can alter their compression ratios to run on low octane fuel.
But you're going to see lower mpg and risk damaging the engine. NO WAY BRO!
To each their own, but I wouldn't do it…not never.
Dealers do it all the time…
Shhhyyyyyyt. Head gaskets gonna be sounding like a bag of nickels sooner or later
Gas station near me sells off brand 84 octane rated gas, works fine in 5.7
Ripper wildin! Hell nah😂😂😂😂😂
Ive owned an automatic challenger RT 5.7 hemi for 4 yrs now and all i put in it is 89 since day 1. It runs like a champ.
An auto rt only requires 87. So you shouldn't have any issue
Run 93 octane in your 5.7, and you'll see an even bigger difference. And NEVER run 87 in your HEMI.