lol for a while when I was just getting into MMA I would mistake them too until I saw them together on the stage. Was confused af, but now its just funny looking back
Mike Jackson intentionally made a mockery of the fight, and I understand that it was bad for the paying audience. But Jackson demonstrated that CM Punk was absolutely not fit to be in there. Jackson exposed Dana White and Punk's trainers. They made a mockery of the sport by allowing Punk to be in there, and Jackson proved it. No wonder White was pissed.
You're wrong. Because CM Punk has always been a great fighter and yet assholes like Joe Rogan and you are fucking biased. Because all Mike Jackson was doing is backing up the whole time because he can't fight from the striking game standing up.
@@leomdk939 Maybe. But even good fighters stand a chance of getting rocked right out of the gate. How many good fighters get taken down and tickled for minutes on end?
Wrestling can take a difficult toll on your body, constantly being slammed on your back and near your neck. Botching moves are extremely painful, and a single mistake in the ring could be fatal. Also punk hasn't had hardly no time to train for an actual UFC environment. Where most have trained all their lives and decided they were going to be a fighter from an early age Cm punk has only had about a year of training under his belt
@@cardsfighter2 2 years of training when your 38 isn't even close to enough time for the UFC. Your seriously discrediting the UFC if you think it takes just 2 years to get in and be efficient.
thats how people make business man... try to look back on how much cash they get off 203. it was so huge and even real pro wrestlers tune in at bars to see his ass got knocked the f out. cant deny the market strategies of dana!
@@bullfknhead It was a great business move on Dana's part, but it was shitty of him to say that Jackson was the one that make a joke out of the sport when he was the one that signed a joke publicity fighter like Punk. If you book a shitty fight for the publicity, dont be shocked when the fight turns out shitty. Punk had no business in the octagon and Jackson humiliated him for it. I din't see anything wrong with that. Punk and Dana got what they deserved.
I agree 100% -- Dana is a POS & both Joe & Dana need ot get off the Andro-Gel before they get 4th stage Prostate Cancer b/c that's the side effects --- Dana puts a guy in the Cage who can NOT fight in a PPV slot & Jackson of course Jackson is gonna think Dana Douche Bag wants him to carry this tomato can for awhile
"Don't make a joke of the sport"... THEY SIGNED THIS MAN. THEY MADE A JOKE OF THE SPORT, Mike Jackson should have finished him but they shouldn't have signed Punk at all.
@@SwayNoir wwe is so big, it was always worth a shot to make a quick buck outta them and tbf it worked for his debut, he supposedly doubled ufc's ppv rate for ufc 203, if he'd actually been decent it would have been praised as a bold move
@@ishmael802 you're absolutely right. Dana should never have done it in the first place. I get it that it puts eyes and money on his product, but it makes the UFC look so unprofessional.
@Felipe Gomes McGregor has experience in boxing and to the average person, even above average, would be no easy opponent so I'd count it on Mayweather's record.
I strongly believe that that is why he chose to train with Duke Roufus. He wanted to make his gimmick legit, so he went with a kickboxing specialist. Punk strikes me as the kind of guy who's decisions are driven by ego. When he was "feuding" with Brock Lesnar in WWE, Lesnar made fun of him for wearing hand wraps and basically being a weekend warrior. Even though it was scripted, I think it would legitimately hurt Punk's pride to hear that. And I think that partly influenced his decision to go into MMA
@@MrCyberboobs not to mention he got his ass kicked alot back stage for start legit beef with other wrestlers whove actually been in real life fights before not just pro wrestling fights
Doesn't really matter how good of a fighter punk is , he's suffer a lot of Injuries in WWE, each injury is a weak point that other fighters can exploit, he could be extremely good at Muy Tai and it would not matter because of the injuries. At least he has heart I give him that.
@LibsDrawingMuseum I confused logan and jake, logan was the more athletic out of the two. But potential is potential, jake knocked out nate robinson, someone who was actually a pro in the nba and with natural athletic talent before he started boxing.
Isn't Punk nearly 40? If he were in his 20's, then he would be able to get away with a lack of polish or skill because he would be able to take more hits and he would have quicker reactions. At his age, he would have to be a savant at the sport to compete.
Probably thought his "straight edge" life style would give him the edge to catch up with his lack of athletic skill. (straight egde life style to him just means he doesn't drink or do drugs)
It’s not his age that’s the problem, it’s that he has ZERO athletic talent and obviously has never been in a actual fight in his life. Even with his career in WWE, he really wasn’t a great athlete. As Joe Rogen said here, you can take a guy who has done track or something and they would do better than Punk, because they’re a REAL athlete, even if the guy you pulled was the same age as Punk. I give him credit that he put on some amazing matches, but that wasn’t because of his athleticism, it was because he and whoever he was working with (best example probably being John Cena) knew how to work the crowd and play to their strengths and hide their weaknesses. It’s quite frankly exactly what Hulk Hogan did to make his matches so entertaining (look at his match with Andre the Giant at Wrestlemania 3 for example, by no means a “mat classic,” but because Hogan knew how to make Andre look good even though he was actually suffering and knew how to sell his ass off, that match was 100x than it probably should have been). The difference is though that people at least know that’s how Hogan worked, most people will still tell you Hogan was actually a shitty in ring wrestler. Where as people actually seem to think that Punk was a “legit” wrestler, even putting him in a category of other wrestlers who were legit athletes in their lives like Shawn Michaels. He wasn’t, he was NEVER much of a athlete, hell he started out as a typical backyard wrestling kid, not though sports like football or actual wrestling.
CM punk should have this amateur MMA fight before going to UFC to see if he can do it. Batista did that once, but turned pretty bad so he didnt proceed to MMA anymore.
Kacen Nix He won, but he wasn't consistent in the fight, pretty sure he didn't like his performance and stop, CM Punk should have done the same, I like him but he really sucked at UFC
@@crowns9966 that's the right way to do it. It didn't recieve mucb coverage when it happened so Batista was able to move on without much scrutiny and it did no damage to his image as a wrestler, unlike Punk.
Batista may not have a sport backround but he was a night club bouncer and a lifeguard which means he really knows how to fight and handle things right a really a tough guy in real also he has a strong physiche thanks to his bodybuilding fitness backround im sure he would atleast went 5-0 if he had fought the same level of opponent as vince lucero.
@@alejandrocisneros7442 people are just like that. i would take phil brooks than connor mcgregor anyday. phil isn't an asshole when on interviews. he talks and tells stories just like a regular person and you won't see a hint of smugness when he is in public.
Remember is all about the money at the end, if it was entertainment they would have never allowed a guy with no experience like Punk go there, I like his pro wrestling career but damn did he sucked in UFC
Respect for trying, but Joe made a good comparison a few weeks ago. You don't let an inexperienced climber go up the last several hundred feet of Everest by himself without oxygen. The same rule applies here. It's just stupid and dangerous. Jackson showed Punk mercy, tbh. He could've knocked Punk into the next dimension in Round 2 on many occasions. Some people say he was showboating. I just think Jackson (another inexperienced fighter) didn't want to permanently damage Punk. Imagine if Punk went against a real UFC fighter. HOLY SHIT.
WarlordRising Jackson didn't show mercy he played around too much if he would of tkod him finished him rather than gone all 3 rounds is better bc he's not getting damaged all 3 rounds so I don't agree with your statement. Jackson is a fool and that's why Dana fired him he acted cocky instead of finishing the fight everyone knows punk can't fight so why drag the fight? Complete opposite of what you're saying.
To be fair Pascal, even Gall was brought in to the UFC a bit early just for the purpose of fighting Punk. He probably could have done with getting some more experience in lesser promotions before signing with the UFC. Most new fighters in the UFC have at the very least 5 pro fights but it's normally more like 10+. Mickey had 1 before he fought Mike Jackson and Punk, which don't even really count. The guy is basically 2-1. He has a load of potential but he needs experience.
@@willsmith8927 tbf to him there's no shame in knowing that you've reached a point in a career and you know you cant keep going, you likely arent going to be the number 1, so its time to pivot and start anew while you've got the time and energy to really make a go of it
CM Punk tried to do what Brock Lesnar did. Thing is Brock Lesnar is a god damn freak of natural. Punk, is not. I don't even watch UFC, and Punks fights have been so bad that even I had to check out his first loss. The guy should give it up. He's no Brock Lesnar, he's no Bobby Lashley, CM Punk just can't handle MMA.
Justin Lynch lol you’re right at first... but Brock is shit I mean don’t get me wrong he can probably beat me but he can’t compete in the UFC just watch him and Overeem, rua, mir these guys all beat the shit out of him. And I’m not talking about Brock steroids lesnar. He just got disrespected when he didn’t
There IS a history or PROF wrestling and MMA switching people since the beginning - Ken Shamrock, Tank Abbot, ext ext, but they mostly come from MMA to WRESTLING not in this case, the other way around
+Jaurae Holman brock could "probably" beat you up? nah he can beat you up 100 of 100 times. brock really only got beat up by cain and overeem, he beat the shit out of mir and defeated shane carwin to name a few...
no im not jordan first off he beat mir when he was off peds when he wasn’t who won? Also do you even know me Ik myself I probably couldn’t beat Brock lesnar but by the way you are stroking him I bet I could beat the shit out of you. Brock is athletic, he is big and strong but he isn’t a good fighter when he meets good fighters he gets rocked he only beat two old men and a newbie talent and guess what he didn’t do it off his own gains. Good to know you don’t know your fav fighter can’t fight without peds
Yeah but see thats just it no one is even focusing on the fact that dana himself before even signing him hated the fact of cm punk wanting to join he never wanted to sign him so heres the real quiestion why the hell would dana do something he dosent want to do. Oh sure let me sign cm punk to ufc i dont want to at all what so ever but ill do it anyway great idea dana
Chris Smith dana sighned brock he was a wwe star yes i know he had a backround when punk didnt but still if danas wrong for taking the gamble on punk he wrong for taking the gamble on brock
I was hoping someone would mention this. How can Dana White make a comment saying the winning fighter will never fight in the UFC again. Dana is the one who put a killer in the ring with an unskilled fighter. The guy who one showed compassion for another person and could very well have thought that he would be in trouble if the fight went too short. Maybe he was thinking the whole time that clearly he's supposed to put on a show. Why would this fight be in a PPV for a 10 sec KO
@@gamesmovienation3516 because of projected revenue. Plus if Dana does hate him he can book him with guys that will fuck him up. All the while he rakes in the cash. That's just good business sense.
Their point about CM Punk was not just that he is too inexperienced or too amateur for the UFC. Their point is that his development over these last few years as a competitive martial artist has been incredibly unimpressive. Not only did he come into MMA with no experience, he has been very slow to progress. Probably due to his age and coddled training. Many people can train diligently for 4 years and look very good, Punk is not one of those people. This is not about UFC level vs amateur level, Mike Jackson is an amateur and he looked like Anderson Silva out there. This is not his thing, he would have never been a great fighter. Even low level mixed martial arts promotions would make him look bad. This isn't about the UFC being too high level, this is about CM being bad at MMA after so much high level training. Dude needs to stop.
Alchemistic Academician and no mike jackson looked like another amatuer who needs to go back to his day job as well. the only comparison id make to anderson about him is that they both are full of them selves and are fucking idiots.
Alchemistic Academician cut that four years in half, he had an undiagnosed herniated disc which required last minute surgery right before the Gall fight. That would obviously hamper development.
17seventySIX Thank you. That's what I've been saying. It looks like the guy sucks, and his team is telling him "good job". Stop with that, "Oh, he has the best team bla bla", because I don't think they did a good job.
17seventySIX nooooo, its the fact that UFC paid him tons of cash and in turn Punk is paying his coaches a ton. Soooo, id take that gig if Punk came to me.
Yah confidence is so overrated. The great ones go in scared shitless cause their trainers have beat them down and told them how good they really are. Billy you're probably gonna lose cause you're shit, but give him he'll kid . GTFO
Never seen JDF fight but he probably wouldn't have owned Punk as bad as Mickey Gall did. Shame too b/c The Green Ranger def would've sold more tix than Gall. Wasted money there.
@@NookTommy well 71 folks agree with me & the fact that Punk even tried & got his ass kicked AND got paid a hella LOT MORE then his opponents that makes him a winner too.
@@lonestarr1707 im not saying he's a loser either but that dont mean he is a winner. he got what he deserved. self entitled juvenile bitch who thinks highly of himself got his ass handed to him. i would have applauded his efforts had he been a more humble dude.
I feel Joe is unfairly being dissed because of him praising Ronda's striking back then. I'm not as much as an avid watcher of UFC anymore unlike before, but back then, I remember that when the women's division was just starting out and Ronda was being hyped as a dominant champion, a lot of folks thought she was a complete fighter and she did seem like it. Her striking was not seen as impressive but people thought that it was decent enough to compete in high level mma. After all, she did get wins with KO punches too, and she deceptively looked decent with her stand-up earlier in her career because of her opponents. So Joe praising Ronda's striking at that time doesn't really sound that absurd, unlike it is now with hindsight. But then her loss to Holm came which really exposed how crappy Ronda's striking is. People then realized that Ronda's striking back then just looked decent because she never fought against an excellent striker before until her loss to Holm.
Ironically, Punk's utter failure in UFC just makes me realize how damn good he is in wrestling, that despite having zero athletic ability he managed to get millions of people to buy into him, meanwhile legit guys like Shelton Benjamin or Jake Hager who would wrestle circles around him just never could break through to that next level.
Shelton Benjamin and Jake Hager would have been in the UFC if UFC popped off 10 years before it actually did. Kurt Angle would be a UFC legend if he started 10 years later than he did. Just unfortunate UFC lost a lot of great wrestlers to WWE because of timing.
thats the reasonn why this mike dude shoulda gone ahead and ended it clean and quick, watchin him spar the whole fight milking it was embarassing and he denies showboating tho lol. like cmon dude your fighting an old cm punk. Hope dana is serious ab booting his ass.
What pisses me off is no one denounces Dana directly. Dana decided to throw Punk right into big spotlight fights ahead of actual deserving fighters. It’s Dana who only cares about money and attention. Dana has so many parallels to Vince McMahon it’s ridiculous. They both are greedy, egomaniacal, and selfish. They both will screw over deserving and talented fighters/wrestlers on an emotional whim. And they both have lost the plot to what matters in their product. Oh, and neither will ever step down until they are dead regardless of how much they are harming their product.
You can't just jump into MMA and expect to beat these guys that have been training at it for years, unless you have something extraordinary like Lesnar's size and amateur wrestling background, and even then, he got caught in a heel hook by Frank Mir right out of the gate and had to really go back and get enough training to have some basic defense. Punk is a really good example of what would happen to most pro wrestlers, and it's not a knock on them, but it's pretty arrogant to think you can walk into another profession and do it as well as the guys who have devoted years to it.
I can't say I I know anything about mma or ufc but punk always seemed like a very overconfident guy to me, maybe he let his hype from the WWE go to his head, I don't know but wwe and ufc isn't something you can compare with each other. I have no idea how true this is but most punk fans back in the day, at least some that I spoke with talked about how the guy had a solid mma background and how he did brazilian ju jitsu but if that's the case how come he's failing so miserably in the UFC? I just don't get it.
I think one other problem is that professional wrestling is too much away from mma nowadays. When the guys wanted to protect kayfabe, they must be real tough guys to beat anyone thats want to pick a fight against them. Like all the 90s shoot style uwfi guys or the guys from new japan in the 70s 80s 90s like antonio inoki, minoru suzuki etc. dont forget all the real hooker like karl gotch or lou thesz. That would be the only guys who had a chance when they would do mma training but nowaydays when everything ia wrestling is so phoney and only had spots after spots you no longer need do be a legit catch as catch can wrestler or shooter.
On Punk's WWE DVD, even one of his trainers calls the guy a non-athlete with "lead in his ass". He could structure a compelling 30-minute in-ring story, and sell it on the mic, but an athlete he was not.
@@Nile15rush_fj I created a Joe Rogan drinking game were whenever he says "Whoa" "that's interesting" "Jamie" or "dmt" I take a drink. I'm usually loaded before noon. This quarantine thing sucks.
Well when Joe said that Rhonda did look amazing and was then checked. It's not like she's untalented. Cm punk never won and was defeated terribly twice. He has Merritt to say this. People can be wrong about things. We can't see into the future.
@@balancer182 a "pipe bomb" that was scripted, agreed upon and coordinated with management before airing live, yet morons still think its a legit shoot.
I don't know that I'd be quite that hard on Punk. Clearly, his UFC run probably should never have been attempted, but he was a guy pushing 40, with a significant history of injuries and miles on his body basically starting from scratch attempting to fight on a pro level. You'd have to be an exceptional talent not to fail under those circumstances, and if anyone's at fault it's UFC for basically allow him to do a fantasy camp. I can't fault Punk for seizing the opportunity to try something he had an interest in when it fell into his lap. The guy's a happily retired multi-millionaire who's had the opportunity to chase down a couple dreams in his time. We should all be so lucky.
You said it yourself, he was given that opportunity just because he is famous and rich. Thousands of talented young fighters will never have it. Why shouldn't people describe what they saw, and speak the truth, which is Punk lacked talent and was a joke of a fighter? I don't see how this contradicts any of what you said. He chased a dream and was proved absolutely short for it.
Only one making a joke of the sport is Dana White. He took a guy who had ZERO fighting experience and talent and put him against a guy who could’ve killed him if he wanted. Not only that he made that fight one of the main events on a PPV and he’s upset with Jackson for toying with Punk. Gfy Dana
UltimateWarrior206 I think that contributed greatly to mma fans not liking punk. He was already somewhat of a celebrity with his wwe stuff and because of that Dana put him a ppv at the beginning of his career when he really wasn’t that good. Should’ve ignored his status outside the cage and let his performance determine the attention he gets.
Pretty much there are pro wrestlers out there if you put them in the cage would rip mother fuckers apart but Punk he ain't even a pro wrestler he is a stuntman in tights that played one on TV
I like CM Punk but c'mon, that fight was beyond awful, 2 years later and he looks even worst than mickey gall fight, how the fuck is that even possible?
Vincent Gaspar Punk didn't go three rounds. He was gassed after the first. His opponent toyed with him for three rounds. There's a difference. I mean, his opponent literally tickled him at one point.
Vincent Gaspar he only "survived" because his opponent let him. He could have finished Punk off on multiple occasions but didnt, either through inexperience or trying to make an example of him.
I remember the announcers on wwe would talk about CM punks bjj background his Muay Thai background and when he went into the UFC and displayed absolutely nothing of it 😂
He was seven when he did that then was 39 during his UFC fights. He is decades removed from knowing how to fight there are pro wrestlers that can fight Brock Lesnar,Minoru Suzuki, Shibata,Jack Swagger,Jack Galahar, Kurt Angle, Aliester Black,El berto del Rio, bobby Lashely, Dan Seven, Ken Shamrock, William Regal, Antonio Inoki, Shinsuke Nakamura, Shayna Baszler, and even Butter Bean a man with the name Butter Bean who was an actual pro wrestler could kill CM Punk...... CM Punk ain't one of them. Im a fan of CM punks work in ROH and WWE but he should have been training for two years before he ever thought about fighting. Plus even in the WWE he experienced legit pain he even shat himself on an episode of smackdown he does not have a threshold for pain not can he fight. But don't let him as a poor representative for pro wrestling make you hate the sport instead think of the names of Ken Shamrock,Dan Seven and Minoru Suzuki.
He gave it a shot, and I respect him a lot for that. But yeah, he's never going to be anywhere close to a contender in any legitimate fighting promotion.
I think his problem was that in the WWE they train to make sure they don't hurt each other too much. Going from that to a world where people have been training to hurt people would be a difficult transition for anyone
Just because Brock and that have won MMA matches doesn't mean it's not hard. I'm just saying it must not be that easy making that transition between the two
Been around boxers and the successful ones have a fire inside of them, you can see it im their eyes, Punk never had that, even if he had trained when young, he still would not have been a successful fighter in my opinion
No. He was trained to be a fighter, he trained for 4 years for it. That's exactly the problem. He was trained for by high level trainers and he looked like possibly one of the worst fighters to ever step into an octagon.
Rogan is usually pretty objective when it comes to MMA, but he had this weird obsession with Ronda that made him believe she was WAY better than she actually was. Her grappling is definitely on point, but that's not enough to beat 99% of men her size ESPECIALLY not men who are also professional fighters.
Even any random man on the street would easily beat her just by weight and strength advantage. If Rondas true striking skills were that awful against other females, imagine what a fully grown man would had done to her.
nope. any professional male fighter her size? yes. but if you were to take some random dude off the street that matched her size she'd demolish them, you dudes ain't being smart
Even in his wwe documentary (years before UFC), they comment on his lack of his athleticism. He always had his critics of being a "sloppy wrestler" from fans that liked the technical aspects of wrestling. I'm not sure how he thought he was going to over come that at 39yrs old.
Reason over Dogma dude had a beer belly in WWE and his arms werent even ripped. Wrestling just doesnt require those weird movements one would have to do when in a fight. Wrestling is way to choreographed and you just dnt develop fast twitch muscles required in fighting. Plus, Punk is an old ass white dude. Hahaha
I never liekd Punk at WWE exactly for taht, all his fans said he was the best...but he was sloppy as f*ck far from being the best...tell me how is he going to go back to WWE with his false gimmick "best in the world"...more now than ever....lol
STEVEN rana Batista did compete for MMA but the dude is just too slow and his opponent wasn’t even on that caliber of being known as a decent fighter either
Lesnar first went to football and was super competitive in the first place so something that physical makes sense for him. Lashley was a pure walking wall of muscle, like Lesnar before him, who was competitive enough to want to fight full contact. Hager was the person who was willing to go for the biggest target in the room. Batista tried it, found out he was too slow for most fights and wisely left to pursue what he was essentially doing under McMahon, that is acting. What's the difference between those men and Punk? They were willing (eager even) to be as physically demanding as they could against the toughest opponent they could find, especially when the serialized soap opera they performed on insisted they follow the script they didn't want to follow. Punk doesn't have that same drive, he wants to be an entertainer. That's admirable, but the other guy usually isn't concerned with putting on a show; he's concerned with putting you out.
I understand that he lost both his fights, im not even saying he's a good fighter. I just made the comment cause any video were you see Joe Rogan talk about him he's just shitting all over him.
@Maribor Forest apparently he's very self righteous about the whole straight edge thing. There's numerous shoot interviews with wrestlers who know him saying he can be a dickhead.
@@wce05308 You mean like Randy Orton or Hornswoggle? They're full of shit. The only time I found he was a jerk was the Hockey story Jericho told about him.
@@extraterrestrialhorse9722 and there was him burying Ryback for like no f****** reason. And all of WWE. Even though WWE did deserve it. does show you kind of how he sees things, and how his character is. But being from the same Chicagoland area he is, I get it. I just understand his mindset.
if i decide, with zero experience, to become a stuntman and throw my ass off a building for a scene, mess myself up, disrespect the industry for being so amateur yet getting such a prominent spot in a movie, and somehow be so bad that I get another stuntman whodoes his job just fine fired in the process, its all good cause people should respect the fact I tried?
CM Punk honestly ruined his reputation. Not just being so bad at MMA and not belonging in UFC but probably even with his WWE fellow fans as well. Think about it. Alot of the UFC fighters retire around the age hes jumping into the Octagon at. The guy is old, slow, has no physical talent and isn't even in fighting shape. After that fight with Mickey Gall he was better off going back to WWE because his tough guy shit there was scripted, and paid. You can't expect that shit to work in the real fighting world. Give it up Punk. Give it up.
cm punk ruined his reputation by making over $1 million for 2 fights. ($500K each, plus a sighing bonus, plus pay-per-view on the second fight, plus reebok sponsorship).
@A Lakonophile to be fair, that's the entire point of WWE. If you don't have the ability to suspend disbelief, it's best to stay away from fiction in general.
@A Lakonophile honestly, if they had booked him right I might have disagreed. But his WWE title reign involved him not getting into Mania's main event despite being champion and towards the end it just became the shield carrying him before he jobbed twice to a part timer. CM Punk already have was kind of unbelievable as a top guy but take money in the bank 2011 for instance. They came so close to making him a legitimate guy and they squandered it. He doesn't have the raw talent or look to do it without good booking like say Cena.
Damn imagine CM Punk just scrolling RUclips and this pops up in his recommended cos he loves Joe Rogan and he's like oh maybe it's just clickbait and they actually have some constructive criticism for me. Then they just fucking shred you. Guarantee he cried in the shower
MMA fighters train for years and start out earlier in life. Not after being in WWE for 10+ years, being an entertainer, but no real wrestling background. Brock was a national champion wrestler. And as Rogan said, you take football players, they would do better. And they have, ex-football players have gone into MMA.
Wouldn’t have made a difference. Most champion level fighters were all-state level high school athletes and were boxing/wrestling from the time they hit puberty. Youre not going to make it to the NFL/NBA/MLB if you start in your 20’s
Kwism Wanna tell me one of the sports Jones played in high school?? Not to mention, Jones is a freak athlete. Something Punk is obviously not. I guarantee there are some top level high school teams where Punk wouldn’t make the cut.
Cole S criticism should not be on Mike Jackson either... What was he supposed to do... Damage the punk? 🤔 Fair play.. he exercises restraint, he sees it as it is, entertainment, and won... Dana just don't want the damage to fall on him and the UFC...
That is not the argument Clary, Dana knew that he was giving a huge contract to someone with no fighting skill, no exceptional physical attribute and that never fought in his life.
"His second fight should not be in the UFC" - Dana White post cm punk vs Micky gall. "Cm punk sells pay per views Overeem doesn't that's why overeem is in fight pass" Dana white pre cm punk vs mike Jackson "This fight should have been on fight pass" Dana white post Cm punk vs Mike Jackson. Let's hope McGregor, Lesnar or Rousey is back soon UFC is nothing without them and as much as I don't care for their fights, wiyout them fighting we'll probably see Justin Bieber or Kanye West or Katy Perry "competing" next. UFC is more and more like wwe every event. A money grabbing circus more than a sport. I wish it could be the best fighting the best and none of these circus sideshows and cringeworthy fake feuds and antics.
@@lawrencesaavedra758 yep and people are blind sheeps there's a reason why they are creators of everything. Also cell phones and laptops people used for commenting.
I find it incomprehensible that CM didnt improve one iota from his previous fight. How is that possible? Its almost as though he had LESS knowledge of basic fight moves than his other PPV fight. And how does Duke Rufus not tell him, "Hey CM, listen...I know youre looking at a payday but I dont think you should go out there & fight, you dont look fight-worthy." It literally looked as though he had just been thrown into the ring w/o one day of prior fight experience. But, I also gotta say, big heart...he could have quit at some point but he took a good whooping & didnt whine.
As a pro wrestling fan, the thing with CM Punk was he - unlike a few others - wasn't a great athlete and never had been. On top of that he didn't have much a collegiate background in wrestling either. Add to that being 39 and well, he was doomed from the start. He was a great pro wrestler/performer though and really should've stuck to that. I admire the fact he tried MMA though, rather than live forever with "What If".
Oh so you're one of those dudes who said "CM Punk got heart. Respect." Cm punk trained under duke roufus, with woodley who was ready to be his training partner. And still managed to be bad. Why cant everyone just shit on him instead of saying "Respect for cm punk for trying it".
@@FetaCheezyAlfredo nah, these wwe fans who believe any wwe wrestlers can fight in ufc are definitely in the wrong here. Just because lesnar did it, they thought anyone can. Brock lesnar was one hell of a legit wrestler, not the scripted one. He might used steroids but he was on a different level. And cm punk? Have you seen his fights? He should've start his mma career in a parking lot mma bout, because he simply sucks. Seriously, why was he even granted the second fight? Anyone older than 10 yo kid knew he's not built for this
@@mcaesario im sorry to burst your bubble but alot of wwe wrestlers do it and they can actually pull it off the last to do it is jake hager dave batista also did and he is a movie star now they are still athlethes with legit fighting backgrounds for most of them its just punk never was
Hi Way I'm not disagreeing with that. But because of that and his large audience, he has a responsibility to call things down the line, rather than allowing prejudices to come through.
Thing about Punk is even in wrestling, he wasn't that great he was more a PERSONALITY.. That's why the fans loved him I know tons of other wwe guys that could do mma, but he was never that athletic to begin with
HunterWD, you’re just another example of a CM Punk who still strokes that dude’s ego. Miranda Summerset is RIGHT. He WASN’T that great of a athlete even in WWE. All of his really good matches, for example his Money in the Bank matche with John Cena, were great because he and Cena as well knew how to play to the crowd. His matches were good because they told an good story, not because Punk showcased amazing athleticism. I promise you there is not ONE CM Punk match that’s considered good purely because of his athlete abilities, you cannot show me one. You cannot name one wrestling move CM Punk did that look like it took a lot of athlete ability either, hell honestly speaking, I was embarrassed for him every time he did that Macho Man Randy Savage elbow drop, it looked so bad, requires ZERO athleticism to drop an elbow that looked that bad, trust me, I’ve seen little fat kids play drop an elbow that looked as good as what he did. All of his best matches were because of the story being told and his ability to connect with the audience. No different than Hulk Hogan really, but even Hogan’s most diehard fans don’t go around trying to make it sound like Hogan was this “legit” wrestler, where as CM Punk’s obnoxious fan base DO try to make Punk sound like he is, well...sorry, he’s NOT. CM Punk was a good entertainer, NOT a great athlete.
I'm a CM Punk fan and I believe everything he's saying I loved CM Punk's work in WWE but once he left and went to UFC it was all down hill with CM Punk.
It was always evident he (CM PUNK) never had the physical ability in the WWE. He got over with his superb mic skills, ring psychology and pipe-bombs. He just never had the talent to wow you with his awful elbow drop or ring dives, or the physique to impress anyone. Nonetheless, the fans supported him and his ego got too big and he quit on all of us. He deserved to be humbled in the UFC
He's a shit fighter but he was one of the indies best in ring workers, he put on 2 or 3 matches that were rated 5* by Dave Meltzer, tons were rated 4*+.
@@sataniccyanide6976 Yeah, but you don't actually need athletic talent to put on a good wrestling match Shelton Benjamin is a freak athlete, and he is solid in the ring, but has never put on a 5 star quality match A good match is more about "telling a story"
Honestly, when Joe is talking about athletes that could do a better job - mate, loads of WWE guys could have done better than Punk. Even when Punk had legit fights with other wrestlers he came off worse. I love Punk, but that dude ain't no tough guy.
I didn't say WWE bud. I know Teddy Hart beat him up when they were on the indies. I am sure there is at least one other but I can't think off the top off my head. Maybe it was just the one and I imagined the other one, ha.
Really difficult to excel in more than one field, especially when the fields aren't related. I imagine Rogan is right about competitive sports like football and track being much more useful in UFC preparation than a performing sport like wrestling. Punk wasn't able to make the competitive fighting transition near as well as Lashley or Lesnar. But then again, Lesnar didn't have that much success with football, although I hear that was due to injury. If he did he would have excelled in three things and that's super difficult. Apparently wrestler Kazuchika Okada in New Japan has a track and field background that has served him VERY well in wrestling. His vertical leap on those dropkicks is amazing. Best in the business. Do the things wrestlers do count as athletic even though there's no real competition? I would say yes, but Rogan appears to say no. Falling off a ladder without hurting yourself too bad seems athletic to me, and I know CM Punk did that.
Well I mean both Lashley and Lesnar were legit athletes back in college. Lesnar obv was a great wrestler and on practice squad in the NFL. Lashley was also a wrestler and in the army at one point, so that's some combat experience I'm guessing. CM Punk is nowehere near either of them in terms of natural athletic ability. But yeah I agree, wrestlers are essentially stuntmen. Even something as simple as balancing on the top ropes requires you to be "athletic" to me
Joe is talking about combat athleticism. Acrobatics don't translate to real fighting. Sure it's fine in fake wrestling but without a collegiate level background in wrestling you're not a athlete when it comes to mma. You can teach a gymnast or ballet dancer to do fake wrestling but they aren't anywhere near a athletic level when it comes to real wrestling or mma.
Punk is a performer. One of the greatest performers in his field. But it's a whole different ball game. Like asking someone who acts as a special forces member, to go out and be a special forces member with only 1 year of training. No chance. If punk had 5 years of consistent pro training under his belt, sure maybe. But dana basically signed a big name amateur fighter. Arguably not even amateur, just a hobbyist/enthusiast. They would have done better by having Punk as a promoter, interviewer, and ringside.
TheKestevon that’s why he wasn’t pushed. He had to put himself over with his mic skills and work rate. Vince and triple H were forced to push him cus he put himself over.
When Joe start with " he's a nice guy" you know whats coming.
Lol no different than when a girl says it.
He’s not even a nice guy
J D1 stfu
@@Batman-gw6th pmsl
J D1 XD
Joe "don't believe in yourself" Rogan
Remember when he told Brendan Schaub that he sucked to his face?
LOL
Gerrold Lloyd yeah I remember it every waking moment of my life
in the context of relying on believing in yourself to win a mma fight, yeah dont do that
Sam Aviles self believe with out reason is delusion and punk was fucking delusional.
After watching MMA today I’ve learnt that Dana white and joe rogan are 2 different people!. Mind blown!.
lol for a while when I was just getting into MMA I would mistake them too until I saw them together on the stage. Was confused af, but now its just funny looking back
lmfao i used to confuse them alot years ago
Yea their bald head and short height
Exactly!!
Same me!!
@@spidergoblin. Dana isn't really short though. 5'11 according to wiki. That's taller than the average american.
Imagine you're so bad that your opponent gets fired for not finishing you
Well I don't make millions even if I suck,so I will not mock him over social media
@@Sir_Killsalot punk made millions for sucking
@@Sir_Killsalot Lol, how cute. Go & marry him then, you mark 🥴
@@musadays8083 I am into women, if you don't believe, you can ask your mom.😃
@@Sir_Killsalot Lol, "my mom?" That's weak. Then again i'm pretty sure my mom doesn't dig soyboys like yourself so... 🥴
The only guy who could’ve went from the WWE to MMA besides Lesnar and succeeded was kurt angle
LASHELY!
Shanmukh Sagi I always thought Kurt was an Olympic wrestler
Shanmukh Sagi just googled he medaled in freestyle wrestling
Shelton benjamin
Bobby lashley has a 15-2-0 record in mma
CM Punk ain't made for UFC just like Ronda Rousey ain't made for WWE.
Bro for reals
@@daviboy7765 They're too odd where their to, they don't fit lol.
@@daviboy7765 you're supid, I didn't say they weren't fit I said they don't fit. Like they don't fit in where they're at 🙄
They should trade places.
Celine Martin LMAO you a hater, Ronda is doing better than most people expected her to do in WWE.
When you skip the Tutorials then you head straight to online
@@Dalen120 the fuck u on about😂
@@Dalen120 is not
@@Dalen120 multiple people can have the same thought bro.
More like playing the campaign on story mode and then playing ranked
@@Dalen120 absolutely.
Mike Jackson intentionally made a mockery of the fight, and I understand that it was bad for the paying audience. But Jackson demonstrated that CM Punk was absolutely not fit to be in there. Jackson exposed Dana White and Punk's trainers. They made a mockery of the sport by allowing Punk to be in there, and Jackson proved it. No wonder White was pissed.
You're wrong. Because CM Punk has always been a great fighter and yet assholes like Joe Rogan and you are fucking biased. Because all Mike Jackson was doing is backing up the whole time because he can't fight from the striking game standing up.
@@thisismybrutality5061 Found the CM Punk mark.
Yeah, but he also could have made that point by just finishing Punk as quickly as possible.
@@leomdk939 Maybe. But even good fighters stand a chance of getting rocked right out of the gate. How many good fighters get taken down and tickled for minutes on end?
@@thisismybrutality5061 you must be smoking crack
I think Punk is just 15 years late to start fighting especially in the UFC
Agreed
Wrestling can take a difficult toll on your body, constantly being slammed on your back and near your neck. Botching moves are extremely painful, and a single mistake in the ring could be fatal. Also punk hasn't had hardly no time to train for an actual UFC environment. Where most have trained all their lives and decided they were going to be a fighter from an early age Cm punk has only had about a year of training under his belt
@@jamesbudd3096 he had enough time and the right trainers to look competent. He just ain't got it.
@@cardsfighter2 2 years of training when your 38 isn't even close to enough time for the UFC. Your seriously discrediting the UFC if you think it takes just 2 years to get in and be efficient.
@@jamesbudd3096 yes please take me to the part of my fucking comment where I mentioned the word efficient.
i love how they defend Dana for being upset how that fighter toyed with CM in the ring, but Dana was the guy that let CM into the ufc.
thats how people make business man... try to look back on how much cash they get off 203. it was so huge and even real pro wrestlers tune in at bars to see his ass got knocked the f out. cant deny the market strategies of dana!
@@bullfknhead It was a great business move on Dana's part, but it was shitty of him to say that Jackson was the one that make a joke out of the sport when he was the one that signed a joke publicity fighter like Punk. If you book a shitty fight for the publicity, dont be shocked when the fight turns out shitty. Punk had no business in the octagon and Jackson humiliated him for it. I din't see anything wrong with that. Punk and Dana got what they deserved.
fair, although Sakuraba came from professional wrestling. Sometimes you gotta give people a chance, just didnt work out this time
I agree 100% -- Dana is a POS & both Joe & Dana need ot get off the Andro-Gel before they get 4th stage Prostate Cancer b/c that's the side effects --- Dana puts a guy in the Cage who can NOT fight in a PPV slot & Jackson of course Jackson is gonna think Dana Douche Bag wants him to carry this tomato can for awhile
@@OmegaVestoLord cm punk trained for less than 2 years if I remember correctly
I just want to know the end of the equation on Joe's shirt.
5:46
🙂
Frowny face + archery= happy face simple math
= DMT
It's the answer to life
You never want people to start talking about you with "he's a nice guy".
LESNAR LIVED ON A FCKIN FARM LIFTING TRACTOR TIRES. CM Punk lifts up AJ Lee
We all lifted up Aj Lee lol
Kill Will Lesnar is an animal! Same with Goldberg. Especially in their prime.
16 year old Brock probably destroys Punk lol
I can lift aj only with my finger lol
@@user-cx9gq2ud6t 10 year old
"Don't make a joke of the sport"... THEY SIGNED THIS MAN. THEY MADE A JOKE OF THE SPORT, Mike Jackson should have finished him but they shouldn't have signed Punk at all.
That's what he was talking about
Yeah but tbf the last wrestler signed by the ufc from wwe ended up heavyweight champ, it was worth a shot to make some quick money from the wwe fans
@@busta960 last wrestler they signed from WWE actually had a legit wrestling background and was a decorated athlete. CM Punk was and had nothing.
@@SwayNoir wwe is so big, it was always worth a shot to make a quick buck outta them and tbf it worked for his debut, he supposedly doubled ufc's ppv rate for ufc 203, if he'd actually been decent it would have been praised as a bold move
Plus Randy Couture spanked Tito Ortiz ass when they fought but Randy didn't get kicked out of the UFC
CM Punk is a tool, but you're wearing a monster energy hat backwards. Soooo.
man wear logo hat me angry 😡
Monster
Monster probably paying the dude. I'd wear a tampon hat if they paid me.
merces47letifer what does his hat have to do with it moron?
You'd rather he wore it forwards or not wear it at all? You understand he's getting paid to wear it right? That's how sponsorship works...
"Don't make a mockery of the sport"
You do realize that Dana White signed CM Punk, right?
He did mention that. But Mike Jackson should have murdered CM Punk. Now CM thinks he had a chance
@@ishmael802 you're absolutely right. Dana should never have done it in the first place. I get it that it puts eyes and money on his product, but it makes the UFC look so unprofessional.
@Felipe Gomes McGregor has experience in boxing and to the average person, even above average, would be no easy opponent so I'd count it on Mayweather's record.
Exactly.
He did but not for people to take it easy on him. You wanted to be there? Good luck.
Lol and punk was considered to have a "Muy Thai" background in WWE.
I strongly believe that that is why he chose to train with Duke Roufus. He wanted to make his gimmick legit, so he went with a kickboxing specialist.
Punk strikes me as the kind of guy who's decisions are driven by ego. When he was "feuding" with Brock Lesnar in WWE, Lesnar made fun of him for wearing hand wraps and basically being a weekend warrior. Even though it was scripted, I think it would legitimately hurt Punk's pride to hear that. And I think that partly influenced his decision to go into MMA
@@MrCyberboobs not to mention he got his ass kicked alot back stage for start legit beef with other wrestlers whove actually been in real life fights before not just pro wrestling fights
He had that persona when he first got to Wwe and couldn't throw a kick to save his life
Doesn't really matter how good of a fighter punk is , he's suffer a lot of Injuries in WWE, each injury is a weak point that other fighters can exploit, he could be extremely good at Muy Tai and it would not matter because of the injuries. At least he has heart I give him that.
SuperJohn12354 muy tai? Bro, cmon, you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about and you sound super uneducated.
Edge looks younger
Edit: back a year later and he still looks like Edge
Toxic Gaming i think that's Curt Hawkins bro...
LOOOOL
510 braceface I think its Edge Hawkins
holy shit I thought the exact same thing lol
YOOOO!
This is clearly setting up for the ultimate wrestling match between Punk and Rogan.
😂
Joe Rogan: “CM Punk has no chance. This is what I do, I analyse fighters.”
Also Joe Rogan: “Jake Paul could beat Professional Boxers.”
LMAO...Rogan is unreal
Well he ain't lying 🤷
Joe Rogan is a fucking idiot really, I actually come to watch his guests, not him ..
Joe also said Ronda Rousey could've beat 50% of the men in the bantamweight division lol
@LibsDrawingMuseum I confused logan and jake, logan was the more athletic out of the two. But potential is potential, jake knocked out nate robinson, someone who was actually a pro in the nba and with natural athletic talent before he started boxing.
Isn't Punk nearly 40? If he were in his 20's, then he would be able to get away with a lack of polish or skill because he would be able to take more hits and he would have quicker reactions. At his age, he would have to be a savant at the sport to compete.
Probably thought his "straight edge" life style would give him the edge to catch up with his lack of athletic skill. (straight egde life style to him just means he doesn't drink or do drugs)
Thersites Historian he just sucks as an athlete
Age doesn't determine how a person fights. 50 year olds are still killing it trust I'm in this world and 39 is nothing
It’s not his age that’s the problem, it’s that he has ZERO athletic talent and obviously has never been in a actual fight in his life. Even with his career in WWE, he really wasn’t a great athlete. As Joe Rogen said here, you can take a guy who has done track or something and they would do better than Punk, because they’re a REAL athlete, even if the guy you pulled was the same age as Punk. I give him credit that he put on some amazing matches, but that wasn’t because of his athleticism, it was because he and whoever he was working with (best example probably being John Cena) knew how to work the crowd and play to their strengths and hide their weaknesses. It’s quite frankly exactly what Hulk Hogan did to make his matches so entertaining (look at his match with Andre the Giant at Wrestlemania 3 for example, by no means a “mat classic,” but because Hogan knew how to make Andre look good even though he was actually suffering and knew how to sell his ass off, that match was 100x than it probably should have been). The difference is though that people at least know that’s how Hogan worked, most people will still tell you Hogan was actually a shitty in ring wrestler. Where as people actually seem to think that Punk was a “legit” wrestler, even putting him in a category of other wrestlers who were legit athletes in their lives like Shawn Michaels. He wasn’t, he was NEVER much of a athlete, hell he started out as a typical backyard wrestling kid, not though sports like football or actual wrestling.
@@CodyTwoHottie he's done alcohol with WWE hall of famers
CM punk should have this amateur MMA fight before going to UFC to see if he can do it.
Batista did that once, but turned pretty bad so he didnt proceed to MMA anymore.
I thought Batista won his first fight tho
Kacen Nix He won, but he wasn't consistent in the fight, pretty sure he didn't like his performance and stop, CM Punk should have done the same, I like him but he really sucked at UFC
@@crowns9966 well explained
@@crowns9966 that's the right way to do it. It didn't recieve mucb coverage when it happened so Batista was able to move on without much scrutiny and it did no damage to his image as a wrestler, unlike Punk.
Batista may not have a sport backround but he was a night club bouncer and a lifeguard which means he really knows how to fight and handle things right a really a tough guy in real also he has a strong physiche thanks to his bodybuilding fitness backround im sure he would atleast went 5-0 if he had fought the same level of opponent as vince lucero.
Punk is a great example of buying into your own hype in a predetermined business.
Unfortunately Bret Hart was like that too... actually a few wrestlers are back then. I'm not sure about now. I don't watch WWE anymore
Punk probably had yes men around him telling him he was doing “great”.
@@sonofage Bret hart was awesome.....
I think he just wanted to try it. I don’t think he was over there expecting to be a two division champion.
@@alejandrocisneros7442 people are just like that. i would take phil brooks than connor mcgregor anyday. phil isn't an asshole when on interviews. he talks and tells stories just like a regular person and you won't see a hint of smugness when he is in public.
A 39 year old after 15 years of wrestling wear and tear on the body to then go to ufc it was wrong from the beginning.
What about Brock lesnar
@@saurabhyadav9905 and severns, and putter, and ...basically anyone that's done it.
@@saurabhyadav9905 Brock Lesnar is just built differently.
What about funaki ,suzuki, sakurabai, shemrock, alberto del rio, fujita, josh barrett ?
@@saurabhyadav9905 Lesnar is a beast, and he only did a few years in WWE before UFC.
Joe move your microphone I wanna know what sad face plus archer equals
IKR!
I searched "sad face and bow shirt", Google got my back!
It's just a happy face
There are two types of people in this world. 1)Those that can extrapolate from missing data.
5:24 its a happy face
@@aspire4more Nice com....
So ridiculous Punk was allowed to fight in UFC.
Brad Gaines right dana white the only dumbass here
Where there's money, there's a way
Remember is all about the money at the end, if it was entertainment they would have never allowed a guy with no experience like Punk go there, I like his pro wrestling career but damn did he sucked in UFC
Col Friday yeah true also punk just went to get ass handles to him for a couple thousand lol
Brad Gaines he’s mostly signed cause for ratings, Dana White screwed up for signing him
Respect for trying, but Joe made a good comparison a few weeks ago. You don't let an inexperienced climber go up the last several hundred feet of Everest by himself without oxygen. The same rule applies here. It's just stupid and dangerous.
Jackson showed Punk mercy, tbh. He could've knocked Punk into the next dimension in Round 2 on many occasions. Some people say he was showboating. I just think Jackson (another inexperienced fighter) didn't want to permanently damage Punk. Imagine if Punk went against a real UFC fighter. HOLY SHIT.
WarlordRising Jackson didn't show mercy he played around too much if he would of tkod him finished him rather than gone all 3 rounds is better bc he's not getting damaged all 3 rounds so I don't agree with your statement. Jackson is a fool and that's why Dana fired him he acted cocky instead of finishing the fight everyone knows punk can't fight so why drag the fight? Complete opposite of what you're saying.
WarlordRising gall is a real ufc fighter🤷🏻♂️
To be fair Pascal, even Gall was brought in to the UFC a bit early just for the purpose of fighting Punk. He probably could have done with getting some more experience in lesser promotions before signing with the UFC. Most new fighters in the UFC have at the very least 5 pro fights but it's normally more like 10+. Mickey had 1 before he fought Mike Jackson and Punk, which don't even really count. The guy is basically 2-1. He has a load of potential but he needs experience.
Funny cause i watched Everest the movie today
Pascal Luchs I was gonna say, he already has fought a real UFC fighter.
“Don’t believe in yourself” - Joe Rogan
he is right
that way belive in
Yeah I remember that he tolled Schaub that he sucked
@@willsmith8927 he wasn't wrong
@@theoneandjabroni3002 yeah i like him but in some point he’s a bum
@@willsmith8927 tbf to him there's no shame in knowing that you've reached a point in a career and you know you cant keep going, you likely arent going to be the number 1, so its time to pivot and start anew while you've got the time and energy to really make a go of it
CM Punk tried to do what Brock Lesnar did.
Thing is Brock Lesnar is a god damn freak of natural. Punk, is not.
I don't even watch UFC, and Punks fights have been so bad that even I had to check out his first loss. The guy should give it up. He's no Brock Lesnar, he's no Bobby Lashley, CM Punk just can't handle MMA.
Justin Lynch lol you’re right at first... but Brock is shit I mean don’t get me wrong he can probably beat me but he can’t compete in the UFC just watch him and Overeem, rua, mir these guys all beat the shit out of him. And I’m not talking about Brock steroids lesnar. He just got disrespected when he didn’t
There IS a history or PROF wrestling and MMA switching people since the beginning - Ken Shamrock, Tank Abbot, ext ext, but they mostly come from MMA to WRESTLING not in this case, the other way around
+Jaurae Holman brock could "probably" beat you up? nah he can beat you up 100 of 100 times. brock really only got beat up by cain and overeem, he beat the shit out of mir and defeated shane carwin to name a few...
no im not jordan first off he beat mir when he was off peds when he wasn’t who won? Also do you even know me Ik myself I probably couldn’t beat Brock lesnar but by the way you are stroking him I bet I could beat the shit out of you. Brock is athletic, he is big and strong but he isn’t a good fighter when he meets good fighters he gets rocked he only beat two old men and a newbie talent and guess what he didn’t do it off his own gains. Good to know you don’t know your fav fighter can’t fight without peds
Lashley and lesnar are respected amateur wrestlers while punk has no background of combat sport. It has nothing to do with size
Dana signed him, he insulted the sport
Yeah but see thats just it no one is even focusing on the fact that dana himself before even signing him hated the fact of cm punk wanting to join he never wanted to sign him so heres the real quiestion why the hell would dana do something he dosent want to do. Oh sure let me sign cm punk to ufc i dont want to at all what so ever but ill do it anyway great idea dana
Chris Smith dana sighned brock he was a wwe star yes i know he had a backround when punk didnt but still if danas wrong for taking the gamble on punk he wrong for taking the gamble on brock
I was hoping someone would mention this. How can Dana White make a comment saying the winning fighter will never fight in the UFC again. Dana is the one who put a killer in the ring with an unskilled fighter. The guy who one showed compassion for another person and could very well have thought that he would be in trouble if the fight went too short. Maybe he was thinking the whole time that clearly he's supposed to put on a show. Why would this fight be in a PPV for a 10 sec KO
Exactly how is he gonna get mad at Mike for making a mockery of a clown?
@@gamesmovienation3516 because of projected revenue. Plus if Dana does hate him he can book him with guys that will fuck him up. All the while he rakes in the cash. That's just good business sense.
Their point about CM Punk was not just that he is too inexperienced or too amateur for the UFC. Their point is that his development over these last few years as a competitive martial artist has been incredibly unimpressive. Not only did he come into MMA with no experience, he has been very slow to progress. Probably due to his age and coddled training. Many people can train diligently for 4 years and look very good, Punk is not one of those people.
This is not about UFC level vs amateur level, Mike Jackson is an amateur and he looked like Anderson Silva out there. This is not his thing, he would have never been a great fighter. Even low level mixed martial arts promotions would make him look bad. This isn't about the UFC being too high level, this is about CM being bad at MMA after so much high level training. Dude needs to stop.
Alchemistic Academician and no mike jackson looked like another amatuer who needs to go back to his day job as well. the only comparison id make to anderson about him is that they both are full of them selves and are fucking idiots.
Duke Roufus was his coach...
Amen
Alchemistic Academician cut that four years in half, he had an undiagnosed herniated disc which required last minute surgery right before the Gall fight. That would obviously hamper development.
As a gigantic CM Punk fan... I will concede to you, very well said.
“Don’t believe in yourself” - Joe Rogan 😂
His coaches are to blame for giving him a false sense of belief.
17seventySIX Thank you. That's what I've been saying. It looks like the guy sucks, and his team is telling him "good job". Stop with that, "Oh, he has the best team bla bla", because I don't think they did a good job.
17seventySIX nooooo, its the fact that UFC paid him tons of cash and in turn Punk is paying his coaches a ton. Soooo, id take that gig if Punk came to me.
Yah confidence is so overrated. The great ones go in scared shitless cause their trainers have beat them down and told them how good they really are. Billy you're probably gonna lose cause you're shit, but give him he'll kid . GTFO
They had believed in him.
Why didn't he run in a few amateur fights before turning to the UFC. I guess cos of age, and cos of ego. This is pretty sad really.
CM Punk is so bad he literally lost to a man named Michael Jackson.. HEEEEEE HEEEEEE
YellowPercocets hccftyyyhhyyyhyyhtyygthffhucugu
LMAOOOOO. Heeeeee heeeeeee! *with the crotch grab*
@Gus Bus I got em
He literally got tickled against his will against someone named Michael Jackson
U r right, I think he's a lot more richer from wwe tho. I think it's gonna be one of those debates that hell have with himself
I really wanted to see the green ranger from Power Rangers versus CM Punk
He challeneged him back in 2011. Now, I can see why CM Punk declined..........
You mean Tommy? I forgot his real name but he's actually had some real fights.
Never seen JDF fight but he probably wouldn't have owned Punk as bad as Mickey Gall did. Shame too b/c The Green Ranger def would've sold more tix than Gall. Wasted money there.
I have never been an MMA fan... I would pay for that PPV.
Jason David Frank would have MURDERED Punk! 😆
CM Punk bangs AJ Lee so he's a winner 🏆
She prolly pegs him
banging AJ Lee doesnt make you a winner. not every man wanna hit that
@@NookTommy well 71 folks agree with me & the fact that Punk even tried & got his ass kicked AND got paid a hella LOT MORE then his opponents that makes him a winner too.
@@lonestarr1707 im not saying he's a loser either but that dont mean he is a winner. he got what he deserved. self entitled juvenile bitch who thinks highly of himself got his ass handed to him. i would have applauded his efforts had he been a more humble dude.
@@NookTommy so I'm guessing u enjoyed Ronda get her ass kicked twice than
Remember when Joe was super praising Ronda's "striking" & saying it looked awesome and scary?
Phenomenal 2112 I mean it was that’s why she started out 12-0 and basically made the women’s division in the UFC
Hi Way she didn't become 12-0 because of her striking bro.
Head movement.... head movement....heaaaad movement
Hi Way bahahahaha no, it was her judo and throws. That's it, my three year old niece can box better than Ronda
I feel Joe is unfairly being dissed because of him praising Ronda's striking back then. I'm not as much as an avid watcher of UFC anymore unlike before, but back then, I remember that when the women's division was just starting out and Ronda was being hyped as a dominant champion, a lot of folks thought she was a complete fighter and she did seem like it. Her striking was not seen as impressive but people thought that it was decent enough to compete in high level mma. After all, she did get wins with KO punches too, and she deceptively looked decent with her stand-up earlier in her career because of her opponents. So Joe praising Ronda's striking at that time doesn't really sound that absurd, unlike it is now with hindsight. But then her loss to Holm came which really exposed how crappy Ronda's striking is. People then realized that Ronda's striking back then just looked decent because she never fought against an excellent striker before until her loss to Holm.
“He tickled him .. HE TICKLED HIM DURING THE FIGHT”
😂 😆 😆
i got hard
That's pretty gay. Next he'll be slipping his hand up the leg hole of the other guys trunks
Its the Wwe in him
Lmfao. This fucking thread. 😭😆
He deserves to be humiliated for what he did to jeff hardy. I know wwe is scripted but i still fucking hate cm punk.
1:50 Dana made a joke of the sport by bringing in CM Punk
Correct... Dis is ALL Dana's fault... he is lashing out against Jackson just because he is so pissed at himself
He probably thought CM Punk would kick ass like Brock Lesnar.... NOPE! LOL
Gregory Michaels he brought him in so they make the price tag bigger for the UFC. This was before he actually fought.
Nsf Reporting
Don't talk about my uncle like that bro the man has ideas. Not every idea is gonna be gold
Punk made a joke of Dana white by picking up that fat check
He looks like Edge. Watching him I only remembered Edge's WWE intro lol
Ironically, Punk's utter failure in UFC just makes me realize how damn good he is in wrestling, that despite having zero athletic ability he managed to get millions of people to buy into him, meanwhile legit guys like Shelton Benjamin or Jake Hager who would wrestle circles around him just never could break through to that next level.
Because Punk could talk on the mic. That is the most important thing in wwe. It's what made Austin, The Rock so popular.
@@dang2320 don’t ever disrespect Austin and the rock ever again
@@albertsotomayor5432 I not trying to disrespect them. But that's the truth.
@@albertsotomayor5432 He didn't disrespect them whats wrong with you
Shelton Benjamin and Jake Hager would have been in the UFC if UFC popped off 10 years before it actually did. Kurt Angle would be a UFC legend if he started 10 years later than he did.
Just unfortunate UFC lost a lot of great wrestlers to WWE because of timing.
CM PUNK IS 39 years old thats a bit late to start doing high level mixed martial arts!
Exactly, a 25 or 30 year old would be in his prime....he is 39 and at the end of competitive fighting against younger, more experienced fighters.
Bennewman11
Absolutely! At 40, one is the same any longer. It's proven.
Plus when you can't even win bar fights!!!
thats the reasonn why this mike dude shoulda gone ahead and ended it clean and quick, watchin him spar the whole fight milking it was embarassing and he denies showboating tho lol. like cmon dude your fighting an old cm punk. Hope dana is serious ab booting his ass.
Yoel who fought that night was 41. CM Punk is just untalented. He not a real Athlete and would never be.
What pisses me off is no one denounces Dana directly. Dana decided to throw Punk right into big spotlight fights ahead of actual deserving fighters. It’s Dana who only cares about money and attention. Dana has so many parallels to Vince McMahon it’s ridiculous. They both are greedy, egomaniacal, and selfish. They both will screw over deserving and talented fighters/wrestlers on an emotional whim. And they both have lost the plot to what matters in their product. Oh, and neither will ever step down until they are dead regardless of how much they are harming their product.
Imagine being so bad that not only did you get fired, but you got your opponent fired for not finishing you.
McMohon family especially Paul Levesque loves this interview very much.
Gabriel Ambo grow up bro
Brock Lesnar Alpha Male Brock is a joke... no good without roids grow up
@@everyonewasstealingmynamea919 Take your own advice.
Calling yourself brock lesnar alpha male is beta as fuck
I think triple h would beat punk in a real life fight
Watching CM Punk fighting is like listening to Tyron Woodley Rap
Watching CM Punk fighting is like listening to Rap.
John Watts is blatantly racist
Or watching Floyd Mayweather try to read a Dr. Seuss book
@LlamaKing98
Rap is the biggest genre in the world right now has been for a while...and there’s absolutely nothing you can do abt it
@really dude Why you being so butthurt and racist all because one guy doesn't like rap? Everyone has their own preference.
You can't just jump into MMA and expect to beat these guys that have been training at it for years, unless you have something extraordinary like Lesnar's size and amateur wrestling background, and even then, he got caught in a heel hook by Frank Mir right out of the gate and had to really go back and get enough training to have some basic defense. Punk is a really good example of what would happen to most pro wrestlers, and it's not a knock on them, but it's pretty arrogant to think you can walk into another profession and do it as well as the guys who have devoted years to it.
I can't say I I know anything about mma or ufc but punk always seemed like a very overconfident guy to me, maybe he let his hype from the WWE go to his head, I don't know but wwe and ufc isn't something you can compare with each other. I have no idea how true this is but most punk fans back in the day, at least some that I spoke with talked about how the guy had a solid mma background and how he did brazilian ju jitsu but if that's the case how come he's failing so miserably in the UFC? I just don't get it.
Not to mention Lesnar got smoked by top guys, only ever really beating the lower tier of the heavyweight division.
Lesnar only lost to Mir due to a bad ref call, had a more competent referee been in there, Brock would’ve won by TKO
Beat Couture, Mir (could have been twice) and an undefeated Carwin at the time. Lesnar did pretty well.
I think one other problem is that professional wrestling is too much away from mma nowadays. When the guys wanted to protect kayfabe, they must be real tough guys to beat anyone thats want to pick a fight against them. Like all the 90s shoot style uwfi guys or the guys from new japan in the 70s 80s 90s like antonio inoki, minoru suzuki etc. dont forget all the real hooker like karl gotch or lou thesz. That would be the only guys who had a chance when they would do mma training but nowaydays when everything ia wrestling is so phoney and only had spots after spots you no longer need do be a legit catch as catch can wrestler or shooter.
On Punk's WWE DVD, even one of his trainers calls the guy a non-athlete with "lead in his ass". He could structure a compelling 30-minute in-ring story, and sell it on the mic, but an athlete he was not.
^^^^he was even shit on the mic lets be real.
@@gorkskoal9315 lol you must be delusional
@@gorkskoal9315 cm punk was the best on the mic wtf are u saying
Him constantly bragging about his BJJ training was a red flag. Turns out he’s barely even ranked.
@@Thief20 no way
Joe "all these people in quarantine are making me the most watched person in my market and my views are beating cable TV." Rogan
So true man. I don't even watch JRE I'm just a casual fan but I'm here watching all his podcasts back2 back
@@Nile15rush_fj I created a Joe Rogan drinking game were whenever he says "Whoa" "that's interesting" "Jamie" or "dmt" I take a drink. I'm usually loaded before noon. This quarantine thing sucks.
I love Joe, but it’s hard to take his opinion seriously. He once said Ronda could starch Floyd Mayweather. The DMT is getting to him.
Retro Fighter was that before we found out how good Floyd is at fighting women?
Retro Fighter Rhonda couldn’t even defeat top women competition when it showed up
He will have the option of whoever he's sat there at the time.
Well when Joe said that Rhonda did look amazing and was then checked. It's not like she's untalented. Cm punk never won and was defeated terribly twice. He has Merritt to say this. People can be wrong about things. We can't see into the future.
@@yomamuglyhaha3196 but he said she'd beat Floyd you have no argument 😂
Quote from Punk's wrestling trainer in the DVD: "He had lead in his ass, doing a leapfrog wasn't easy for him".
CM Punk's fighting ability matches Joe's comedic ability.
He is untalented lol
not really Joe is funny
About as good as Brendan Schaub. 😂
@@Looking-greateven Brendan was way better than cm punk, two completely different levels.
i think dana was pissed at the guy for exposing White's cash grab,
Usually the case
Good call.. Facts
Everybody including Punk knew what this was.
I think you hit the nail on the head there
Truth right here. Dana is exploiting the fighters.
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And CM Punk has blocked Joe Rogan
No surprise. Someone who likes to drop "truth pipe bombs" can't handle a taste of his own medicine.
@@balancer182 a "pipe bomb" that was scripted, agreed upon and coordinated with management before airing live, yet morons still think its a legit shoot.
Publius Ventidius Bassus No shit kid. No one is going to let someone on an expiring contract go out and air their dirty laundry on live tv
@@publiusventidiusbassus1232
It was scripted
@@Мустафаиракский-я8ш it was not. That's why his mic got cut off, specifically at the bulling campaign
I don't know that I'd be quite that hard on Punk. Clearly, his UFC run probably should never have been attempted, but he was a guy pushing 40, with a significant history of injuries and miles on his body basically starting from scratch attempting to fight on a pro level. You'd have to be an exceptional talent not to fail under those circumstances, and if anyone's at fault it's UFC for basically allow him to do a fantasy camp. I can't fault Punk for seizing the opportunity to try something he had an interest in when it fell into his lap. The guy's a happily retired multi-millionaire who's had the opportunity to chase down a couple dreams in his time. We should all be so lucky.
You said it yourself, he was given that opportunity just because he is famous and rich. Thousands of talented young fighters will never have it. Why shouldn't people describe what they saw, and speak the truth, which is Punk lacked talent and was a joke of a fighter? I don't see how this contradicts any of what you said. He chased a dream and was proved absolutely short for it.
Only one making a joke of the sport is Dana White. He took a guy who had ZERO fighting experience and talent and put him against a guy who could’ve killed him if he wanted. Not only that he made that fight one of the main events on a PPV and he’s upset with Jackson for toying with Punk. Gfy Dana
It was about money. Selling tickets on the cm punk name
UltimateWarrior206 I think that contributed greatly to mma fans not liking punk. He was already somewhat of a celebrity with his wwe stuff and because of that Dana put him a ppv at the beginning of his career when he really wasn’t that good. Should’ve ignored his status outside the cage and let his performance determine the attention he gets.
Pretty much there are pro wrestlers out there if you put them in the cage would rip mother fuckers apart but Punk he ain't even a pro wrestler he is a stuntman in tights that played one on TV
@Jim Cornette haha true
I like CM Punk but c'mon, that fight was beyond awful, 2 years later and he looks even worst than mickey gall fight, how the fuck is that even possible?
Vincent Gaspar Punk didn't go three rounds. He was gassed after the first. His opponent toyed with him for three rounds. There's a difference. I mean, his opponent literally tickled him at one point.
Vincent Gaspar he only "survived" because his opponent let him. He could have finished Punk off on multiple occasions but didnt, either through inexperience or trying to make an example of him.
NomnomJawsnomnom That example cost him his job he should have finished the fight earlier
He lacks talent, he might have the heart, but man, the talent!
How did he look worse?? He got Destroyed in seconds against Mickey...
Apparently, Duke Roufus never told CM Punk that a kick is supposed to be a hip explosion.
I remember the announcers on wwe would talk about CM punks bjj background his Muay Thai background and when he went into the UFC and displayed absolutely nothing of it 😂
Ugotme killin bro🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
He was seven when he did that then was 39 during his UFC fights. He is decades removed from knowing how to fight there are pro wrestlers that can fight Brock Lesnar,Minoru Suzuki, Shibata,Jack Swagger,Jack Galahar, Kurt Angle, Aliester Black,El berto del Rio, bobby Lashely, Dan Seven, Ken Shamrock, William Regal, Antonio Inoki, Shinsuke Nakamura, Shayna Baszler, and even Butter Bean a man with the name Butter Bean who was an actual pro wrestler could kill CM Punk...... CM Punk ain't one of them. Im a fan of CM punks work in ROH and WWE but he should have been training for two years before he ever thought about fighting. Plus even in the WWE he experienced legit pain he even shat himself on an episode of smackdown he does not have a threshold for pain not can he fight. But don't let him as a poor representative for pro wrestling make you hate the sport instead think of the names of Ken Shamrock,Dan Seven and Minoru Suzuki.
The fans also said that. That's when you should know that fanboys are full of it and never trust anything from the Internet.
just because the announcer say it does not mean it is true
@@fidellanga4022 jack gallagher is a fucking pipsqueek dude lmfao fuck outta here
Get Punk on the show!
He doesn’t do media like that. It just wouldn’t benefit him the way it does most of his guests
He just got done with a lawsuit... bc of a podcast
Makaveli Soldier Punk has a bad taste about media, plus after he got fired from UFC I won’t be surprised if he goes ghost for a while
Yeah that’ll never happen
No.
CM Punk is charismatic and entertaining but he really should stop kidding himself on the octagon.
Not gonna respond to inane questions, other than he has several millions of fans across the globe for a reason.
He gave it a shot, and I respect him a lot for that. But yeah, he's never going to be anywhere close to a contender in any legitimate fighting promotion.
@Brock Lesnar Alpha Male Real alpha right here 😂
Brock Lesnar Alpha Male You always come up as an asshole, you don't like WWE I get it, pussy fans are in every industry dude
@Brock Lesnar Alpha Male Lol! Exactly! Fuck CM Punk delusional fans!
I think his problem was that in the WWE they train to make sure they don't hurt each other too much. Going from that to a world where people have been training to hurt people would be a difficult transition for anyone
Just because Brock and that have won MMA matches doesn't mean it's not hard.
I'm just saying it must not be that easy making that transition between the two
Been around boxers and the successful ones have a fire inside of them, you can see it im their eyes, Punk never had that, even if he had trained when young, he still would not have been a successful fighter in my opinion
@@phonicEDDIE Only reason Brock won was because of matchups and his wrestling. Brock fucking sucks but he got some big fucking balls
One trained to be killers
OtherS trained to be victims
CM Punk is an actor, plain and simple. He's trained on putting on a show. That's it. That's all.
Cm punk is gay
No. He was trained to be a fighter, he trained for 4 years for it. That's exactly the problem. He was trained for by high level trainers and he looked like possibly one of the worst fighters to ever step into an octagon.
@@amogussex9921 he froze and he knew this shit ain’t scripted lol
As a WWE guy, while he isn't my favorite, he does put on one hell of a show
5:25 " I understand what im talking about" coming from the person who said ronda could beat men in the UFC lol
Rogan is usually pretty objective when it comes to MMA, but he had this weird obsession with Ronda that made him believe she was WAY better than she actually was. Her grappling is definitely on point, but that's not enough to beat 99% of men her size ESPECIALLY not men who are also professional fighters.
Even any random man on the street would easily beat her just by weight and strength advantage. If Rondas true striking skills were that awful against other females, imagine what a fully grown man would had done to her.
agreed. Unless they were really small, but yes any man her size or larger would beat her easily with just a few punches.
nope. any professional male fighter her size? yes. but if you were to take some random dude off the street that matched her size she'd demolish them, you dudes ain't being smart
Ronda could beat punk
Even in his wwe documentary (years before UFC), they comment on his lack of his athleticism.
He always had his critics of being a "sloppy wrestler" from fans that liked the technical aspects of wrestling.
I'm not sure how he thought he was going to over come that at 39yrs old.
yes he never was athletic , but he looks much better recently then he did years ago .
Reason over Dogma dude had a beer belly in WWE and his arms werent even ripped. Wrestling just doesnt require those weird movements one would have to do when in a fight. Wrestling is way to choreographed and you just dnt develop fast twitch muscles required in fighting. Plus, Punk is an old ass white dude. Hahaha
Like Triple H said he's a skinny fat fuck
I never liekd Punk at WWE exactly for taht, all his fans said he was the best...but he was sloppy as f*ck far from being the best...tell me how is he going to go back to WWE with his false gimmick "best in the world"...more now than ever....lol
oBlizkin Punk was ripped in 2005 and then went back to being small
Google CM Punk ripped
Let me name some successful WWE fighters who crossed over to MMA: Brock Lesnar, Bobby Lashley, Jack Hager
And batista
Jake Hager is fighting bums
STEVEN rana Batista did compete for MMA but the dude is just too slow and his opponent wasn’t even on that caliber of being known as a decent fighter either
Lesnar first went to football and was super competitive in the first place so something that physical makes sense for him. Lashley was a pure walking wall of muscle, like Lesnar before him, who was competitive enough to want to fight full contact. Hager was the person who was willing to go for the biggest target in the room. Batista tried it, found out he was too slow for most fights and wisely left to pursue what he was essentially doing under McMahon, that is acting.
What's the difference between those men and Punk? They were willing (eager even) to be as physically demanding as they could against the toughest opponent they could find, especially when the serialized soap opera they performed on insisted they follow the script they didn't want to follow. Punk doesn't have that same drive, he wants to be an entertainer. That's admirable, but the other guy usually isn't concerned with putting on a show; he's concerned with putting you out.
@@Rana-ob3bk Batista wasn't good at it. He won the only fight he almost lost because his opponent wasn't very good either.
These all fights of CM Punk shows that how tough CM Punk is in his real life 😂😂😂😂
It’s not because he lost at UFC that he won’t be able to beat most people on the streets !
"I am UFC" - CM Punk (0-2)
Joe "Shit on CM Punk anytime someone mentions him" Rogan lol ( I guess saying something makes everyone mad )
How else can you talk about him in an MMA context???
I understand that he lost both his fights, im not even saying he's a good fighter. I just made the comment cause any video were you see Joe Rogan talk about him he's just shitting all over him.
EvilHellBoy1999: Joe "telling the truth on Punk without caring what u pro wrestling fans think" Rogan
Hey man I said he's not a good fighter what do else do you want from me lol
Sorry CM Punk fanboy, he's garbage
CM Punk is a hard worker - and he's a 10 star jerk in real life.
Agreed!
@Maribor Forest apparently he's forgotten his original fans from the indie days.
@Maribor Forest apparently he's very self righteous about the whole straight edge thing. There's numerous shoot interviews with wrestlers who know him saying he can be a dickhead.
@@wce05308 You mean like Randy Orton or Hornswoggle? They're full of shit. The only time I found he was a jerk was the Hockey story Jericho told about him.
@@extraterrestrialhorse9722 and there was him burying Ryback for like no f****** reason. And all of WWE. Even though WWE did deserve it. does show you kind of how he sees things, and how his character is. But being from the same Chicagoland area he is, I get it. I just understand his mindset.
He might not be successful at mma but one thing is he has cojones stepping into the octagon and giving it a shot which I respect him for .
if i decide, with zero experience, to become a stuntman and throw my ass off a building for a scene, mess myself up, disrespect the industry for being so amateur yet getting such a prominent spot in a movie, and somehow be so bad that I get another stuntman whodoes his job just fine fired in the process, its all good cause people should respect the fact I tried?
@@theoneandjabroni3002 do it become a stuntman
@@Tburk97 fuck it im in, look for me in the next fast and furious
It was an embarrassing spectacle. CM barely even knew how to throw a punch!
CM Punk honestly ruined his reputation. Not just being so bad at MMA and not belonging in UFC but probably even with his WWE fellow fans as well. Think about it. Alot of the UFC fighters retire around the age hes jumping into the Octagon at. The guy is old, slow, has no physical talent and isn't even in fighting shape. After that fight with Mickey Gall he was better off going back to WWE because his tough guy shit there was scripted, and paid. You can't expect that shit to work in the real fighting world. Give it up Punk. Give it up.
Cm punk claims he is a black belt how he fought did not show that he was I think someone is lying
Punk belongs in wwe not UFC even in wwe he sucked his promos we're good but his wrestling skills sucked compared to Daniel Bryan
cm punk ruined his reputation by making over $1 million for 2 fights. ($500K each, plus a sighing bonus, plus pay-per-view on the second fight, plus reebok sponsorship).
You just repeated everything they said in the video
@@rockysworld4872 he's never said hes a black belt wtf😂😂😂😂
Late to this, but CM Punk can work a wrestling match like no other, but UFC is just raw athleticism
@A Lakonophile he good he's no flair or sting or anyone whose not from the worst year in wwe in the last year
@A Lakonophile he never beat Lesnar though.
@A Lakonophile to be fair, that's the entire point of WWE. If you don't have the ability to suspend disbelief, it's best to stay away from fiction in general.
@A Lakonophile yeah, that's not really a counterargument to what I said but I agree.
@A Lakonophile honestly, if they had booked him right I might have disagreed. But his WWE title reign involved him not getting into Mania's main event despite being champion and towards the end it just became the shield carrying him before he jobbed twice to a part timer.
CM Punk already have was kind of unbelievable as a top guy but take money in the bank 2011 for instance. They came so close to making him a legitimate guy and they squandered it. He doesn't have the raw talent or look to do it without good booking like say Cena.
“Believe in yourself kids”😂😂😂
joe ''everyone has a monster ground game'' rogan
Damn imagine CM Punk just scrolling RUclips and this pops up in his recommended cos he loves Joe Rogan and he's like oh maybe it's just clickbait and they actually have some constructive criticism for me. Then they just fucking shred you. Guarantee he cried in the shower
Hahahahahhahahahaha love it
That's a nice theory, but, I think CM Punk blocked Joe Rogan on twitter lol.
@No More American Idiots no I’m European.. and you ? From a third world country in which nobody wants to live i guess ?
@@Billy.J wtf
MMA fighters train for years and start out earlier in life. Not after being in WWE for 10+ years, being an entertainer, but no real wrestling background. Brock was a national champion wrestler. And as Rogan said, you take football players, they would do better. And they have, ex-football players have gone into MMA.
I'm quite sure Mike Jackson got paid off to stretch that fight...
Punk should've started his mma career young like his early 20s. Not late 30s or early 40s.
Nick Kennedy if he did that he would’ve not made money like he does
J GonPull true
Wouldn’t have made a difference. Most champion level fighters were all-state level high school athletes and were boxing/wrestling from the time they hit puberty.
Youre not going to make it to the NFL/NBA/MLB if you start in your 20’s
StuUngar tell that to john jones
Kwism Wanna tell me one of the sports Jones played in high school??
Not to mention, Jones is a freak athlete. Something Punk is obviously not. I guarantee there are some top level high school teams where Punk wouldn’t make the cut.
Criticism should be on Dana White not CM Punk
Cole S criticism should not be on Mike Jackson either... What was he supposed to do... Damage the punk? 🤔 Fair play.. he exercises restraint, he sees it as it is, entertainment, and won... Dana just don't want the damage to fall on him and the UFC...
Dana gave a guy a chance to accomplish his goal. Dana saved the UFC. He created some of the best stars in the sport, and he loves fighting.
That is not the argument Clary, Dana knew that he was giving a huge contract to someone with no fighting skill, no exceptional physical attribute and that never fought in his life.
"His second fight should not be in the UFC" - Dana White post cm punk vs Micky gall.
"Cm punk sells pay per views Overeem doesn't that's why overeem is in fight pass" Dana white pre cm punk vs mike Jackson
"This fight should have been on fight pass" Dana white post Cm punk vs Mike Jackson.
Let's hope McGregor, Lesnar or Rousey is back soon UFC is nothing without them and as much as I don't care for their fights, wiyout them fighting we'll probably see Justin Bieber or Kanye West or Katy Perry "competing" next.
UFC is more and more like wwe every event. A money grabbing circus more than a sport. I wish it could be the best fighting the best and none of these circus sideshows and cringeworthy fake feuds and antics.
Paul Alexander It is all on jackson he made the UFC look like a fucking joke you dont show mercy in the UFC in the ufc's eyes you finish them.
Joe “we’re gonna have a LAN party” Rogan
Joshua banas don’t forget he felt the need to explain that it stands for local area network hahaha
CM going into UFC is like A engineer changing his stream to medical 😂
LMAOOOOO
So Bill Gates.
That's possible as long as you have enough money and time to study. But studying doesn't require athletic skills which are limited by one's body.
Engineers build the tools that the medical professionals use .
@@lawrencesaavedra758 yep and people are blind sheeps there's a reason why they are creators of everything. Also cell phones and laptops people used for commenting.
I find it incomprehensible that CM didnt improve one iota from his previous fight. How is that possible? Its almost as though he had LESS knowledge of basic fight moves than his other PPV fight. And how does Duke Rufus not tell him, "Hey CM, listen...I know youre looking at a payday but I dont think you should go out there & fight, you dont look fight-worthy." It literally looked as though he had just been thrown into the ring w/o one day of prior fight experience. But, I also gotta say, big heart...he could have quit at some point but he took a good whooping & didnt whine.
@Nana the supercalifragilisticexpialidocious you wouldn't take an ass whoopin for 1 million?
I won't do that if i were cm punk, it will hurt my image and losing more opportunity to get more money in a long run.
As a pro wrestling fan, the thing with CM Punk was he - unlike a few others - wasn't a great athlete and never had been.
On top of that he didn't have much a collegiate background in wrestling either.
Add to that being 39 and well, he was doomed from the start.
He was a great pro wrestler/performer though and really should've stuck to that.
I admire the fact he tried MMA though, rather than live forever with "What If".
Oh so you're one of those dudes who said "CM Punk got heart. Respect."
Cm punk trained under duke roufus, with woodley who was ready to be his training partner. And still managed to be bad.
Why cant everyone just shit on him instead of saying "Respect for cm punk for trying it".
@@mcaesario Relax bro, all he said was he personally admired him for trying.
@@FetaCheezyAlfredo nah, these wwe fans who believe any wwe wrestlers can fight in ufc are definitely in the wrong here. Just because lesnar did it, they thought anyone can. Brock lesnar was one hell of a legit wrestler, not the scripted one. He might used steroids but he was on a different level.
And cm punk? Have you seen his fights? He should've start his mma career in a parking lot mma bout, because he simply sucks. Seriously, why was he even granted the second fight? Anyone older than 10 yo kid knew he's not built for this
@@mcaesario your fun at parties
@@mcaesario im sorry to burst your bubble but alot of wwe wrestlers do it and they can actually pull it off
the last to do it is jake hager dave batista also did and he is a movie star now
they are still athlethes with legit fighting backgrounds for most of them its just punk never was
30 years from now Joe will still be talking trash about Punk on his podcast
Kobe Wan Kenobi 30 years from now joe will be dead from all the steroids
Its not trash its truth, Punk was that terrible its embarrassing.
As he should be
Big Hoss I don't see why he would be on steroids
Connor McCartney well he is, he's very open about it
CM doing mma is like Shawn Michaels doing mma.
😂😂
I love Joe but sometimes he thinks too much of himself. He's the same guy who talked about ronda,s striking expertise by just watching her hit pads.
Making a comment while watching a video doesn't mean that that video is one he's commenting on....just saying.
He said she can beat 50% of the mens welterweight division. The guy really needs to stop taking drugs.
I mean Joe Rogan has more knowledge on the sport than all of you combined
Hi Way I'm not disagreeing with that. But because of that and his large audience, he has a responsibility to call things down the line, rather than allowing prejudices to come through.
Hi Way He does, and he is also good striker but you have to admit that he said some ridiculous shit over the years.
Thing about Punk is even in wrestling, he wasn't that great he was more a PERSONALITY.. That's why the fans loved him I know tons of other wwe guys that could do mma, but he was never that athletic to begin with
bee boo That's just something that vince fed his character
Hes 37 or 40 also wwe is a tough sport with shiton of injuries
@@Miuranger1 it is, very hard
HunterWD, you’re just another example of a CM Punk who still strokes that dude’s ego. Miranda Summerset is RIGHT. He WASN’T that great of a athlete even in WWE. All of his really good matches, for example his Money in the Bank matche with John Cena, were great because he and Cena as well knew how to play to the crowd. His matches were good because they told an good story, not because Punk showcased amazing athleticism. I promise you there is not ONE CM Punk match that’s considered good purely because of his athlete abilities, you cannot show me one. You cannot name one wrestling move CM Punk did that look like it took a lot of athlete ability either, hell honestly speaking, I was embarrassed for him every time he did that Macho Man Randy Savage elbow drop, it looked so bad, requires ZERO athleticism to drop an elbow that looked that bad, trust me, I’ve seen little fat kids play drop an elbow that looked as good as what he did. All of his best matches were because of the story being told and his ability to connect with the audience. No different than Hulk Hogan really, but even Hogan’s most diehard fans don’t go around trying to make it sound like Hogan was this “legit” wrestler, where as CM Punk’s obnoxious fan base DO try to make Punk sound like he is, well...sorry, he’s NOT. CM Punk was a good entertainer, NOT a great athlete.
Watch his match with Samoa Joe in ROH
"Cm came in basically as raw natural talent"
-anthony pettis before punk fought his first fight
I'm a CM Punk fan and I believe everything he's saying I loved CM Punk's work in WWE but once he left and went to UFC it was all down hill with CM Punk.
It was always evident he (CM PUNK) never had the physical ability in the WWE. He got over with his superb mic skills, ring psychology and pipe-bombs. He just never had the talent to wow you with his awful elbow drop or ring dives, or the physique to impress anyone. Nonetheless, the fans supported him and his ego got too big and he quit on all of us. He deserved to be humbled in the UFC
He's a shit fighter but he was one of the indies best in ring workers, he put on 2 or 3 matches that were rated 5* by Dave Meltzer, tons were rated 4*+.
@@sataniccyanide6976 Yeah, but you don't actually need athletic talent to put on a good wrestling match
Shelton Benjamin is a freak athlete, and he is solid in the ring, but has never put on a 5 star quality match
A good match is more about "telling a story"
Honestly, when Joe is talking about athletes that could do a better job - mate, loads of WWE guys could have done better than Punk. Even when Punk had legit fights with other wrestlers he came off worse. I love Punk, but that dude ain't no tough guy.
sheriffkimbo He sure thinks he’s tough, though. He needs to stop eating twinkees all day
Who did punk have legit fights with in wwe?
I didn't say WWE bud. I know Teddy Hart beat him up when they were on the indies. I am sure there is at least one other but I can't think off the top off my head. Maybe it was just the one and I imagined the other one, ha.
sheriffkimbo wow cool. I never knew about the teddy hart thing.
sheriffkimbo That's why he got fired
Joe “always adjusting my mic” Rogan
And his opinion
Joe "No hey hey hey hey hey hey" Rogan.
Really difficult to excel in more than one field, especially when the fields aren't related. I imagine Rogan is right about competitive sports like football and track being much more useful in UFC preparation than a performing sport like wrestling. Punk wasn't able to make the competitive fighting transition near as well as Lashley or Lesnar. But then again, Lesnar didn't have that much success with football, although I hear that was due to injury. If he did he would have excelled in three things and that's super difficult.
Apparently wrestler Kazuchika Okada in New Japan has a track and field background that has served him VERY well in wrestling. His vertical leap on those dropkicks is amazing. Best in the business. Do the things wrestlers do count as athletic even though there's no real competition? I would say yes, but Rogan appears to say no. Falling off a ladder without hurting yourself too bad seems athletic to me, and I know CM Punk did that.
Well I mean both Lashley and Lesnar were legit athletes back in college. Lesnar obv was a great wrestler and on practice squad in the NFL. Lashley was also a wrestler and in the army at one point, so that's some combat experience I'm guessing. CM Punk is nowehere near either of them in terms of natural athletic ability.
But yeah I agree, wrestlers are essentially stuntmen. Even something as simple as balancing on the top ropes requires you to be "athletic" to me
Lashley and Lesnar have legit collegiate records. Brock is a 2x NCAA.
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Joe is talking about combat athleticism. Acrobatics don't translate to real fighting. Sure it's fine in fake wrestling but without a collegiate level background in wrestling you're not a athlete when it comes to mma. You can teach a gymnast or ballet dancer to do fake wrestling but they aren't anywhere near a athletic level when it comes to real wrestling or mma.
Punk is a performer. One of the greatest performers in his field. But it's a whole different ball game. Like asking someone who acts as a special forces member, to go out and be a special forces member with only 1 year of training. No chance. If punk had 5 years of consistent pro training under his belt, sure maybe.
But dana basically signed a big name amateur fighter. Arguably not even amateur, just a hobbyist/enthusiast.
They would have done better by having Punk as a promoter, interviewer, and ringside.
He has no talent and wasnt even incredibly in shape when he was in the WWE.
Atleast he is not a bum like you, whose ass got regularly kicked by own father.
He looks like a guy who never hit gym in his entire life.
TheKestevon that’s why he wasn’t pushed. He had to put himself over with his mic skills and work rate. Vince and triple H were forced to push him cus he put himself over.
Eric B you don’t have to be in perfect shape as a wrestler. Look at Seth Rollins or Rey Mysterio for example.
Danny 906 wtf you on about? Seth Rollins has a good physique and Rey Misterio looks better than he has looked since 2009
Ronda can beat Floyd. Joe "i understand what i'm talking" Rogan
ayub46 joe "we need a council of elders" rogan
She would break his fucking arm, he'd have no idea how to deal with anything Ronda could throw at him and would get fucking destored
One punch and she would sleep like a baby
Ronda would literally kill Floyd in MMA. Joe is right on that one.
Ronda Olympic judo then years of training MMA floyd doesn’t even weigh a lot.. in ufc ye Ronda probily would beat floyd
1:39 LOL wait... He tickled his opponent??? Cmon, that's KINDA funny haha.
I think so also.
Yeah he didn't make a joke of the sport he made a joke of the guy he was fighting
Punk Calling Gall a can crusher is one of the funniest thing I've ever heard 😁