thank you, for showing us the inside of an typical air-ozone generator. i also use chinese parts of ozone generators but to desinfekt and clear water. ozone is very interesting an powerful
Well the package has arrived, a 60mg/h digital timer ozone generator. It jas different guts then in this vid (stacked white plates). The first thing I checked: Earth connection. Well that's not present at all. Should I connect the earth to the metal case? Most video's tell you to do so, but I also heard that some devices are designed without earth on purpose.
Nice video. Too bad you have so few comments. I think you did a good job. I've been wanting my own ozone generator for a long time for several reasons. I'd like to bubble ozone through water to purify it, and I'd like to see how well it works at keeping bugs out of places. On ebay you can find some pretty cheap ozone generators that are just a transformer and ceramic plates. There's a company that apparently does this with a number of these generators, and mounts the plates inside fans to generate large amounts of ozone. They are about $25 and up a set for a 7 oz per hour (so they claim) ozone production. If you happen to know a better source of just the transformers, let me know. I suppose a person could just use glass, and put metal on both sides. I even looked into winding my own transformers, but I know so little about them, and what is the best combination of voltage output, watts, frequency, etc, I figured I just start by buying some cheapie china transformers. Any suggestions as to what would produce the best corona, resulting in the most ozone? For the transformers, what is the best voltage output, power, etc, and for the plates, what is the best to use? screen? wire? is thinner better? are some materials better than others? Is a larger or smaller gap between the metals better? Are some insulators better than others, or is it just a matter of using something that does not easily burn through? Thanks again for the good video. I tried making ozone using a micowave oven. I disconnected the power in wires from the microwave generator and used a mayonnaise jar with copper wire wrapped around it, and a big wad of copper wire stuffed inside it, but nothing happened that I could see. Maybe I had too much metal, or the microwave didn't generate enough voltage.
The high voltage transformers are notoriously difficult to make yourself so it's better to buy them. The ceramic ozone plates are a very optimised design and very cheap on ebay now, so it's actually cheaper overall to buy your bits on ebay. The generation of the corona relies on the alternating of the high voltage polarity, and the more often that happens the more corona is produced, which is why the high output units use high frequency supplies. Be ultra careful with microwave oven circuitry. It can end your life with a single pop like an insect killer. The voltage output is too low for easy ozone generation and would have to be taken directly from the transformer without the rest of the rectifying and smoothing circuitry. But seriously, just don't use the microwave transformer. The electronic ozone generator supplies tend to be current limited so they are less dangerous, but can still cause a fire if the outputs arc.
bigclivedotcom Thank you for your helpful comments. I think I will probably follow your advise on the ozone generator and the microwave. How about your comments on another subject: a colloidal silver/other-metals generator. Do you have any knowledge on that subject? I bought a book written by Robert Langlois on wire EDMs, that I thought I could adapt to generate metal colloids, but the parts list is old, and doesn't match parts I could find.
Very interesting how those are made. So exactly how much voltage, current & frequency are you talking about on this unit then? The transformer doesn't really look all that big. Thanks, Tom.
Even O3 is pretty much toxic in high enough concentrations. When you have a lot of static go off somewhere, and you get that weird electricity smell? That's a very small concentration of ozone, and the reason you detect it so easily is because the human sense of smell has gotten very good at detecting things that are not very good for you.
+The Insufferable Tool ok got leaking sewer pipe under house, three cigerett smokers with three big smelly muts, house is so noxious to me that it burns my sinuses just walking in the door to visit. what quanity of ozone is needed to steralize the damp crawl space 4 bed rooms living and den and the attic and garage.
Not quite, you get both ozone and nitric oxide. The really worrisome part is that it forms nitric acid when you add moisture. Like in your mouth and lungs.
Sir I have 2 Unovair ozone units , the 1000 and the 5000 and although both worked fine for me. BOTH fried new bulbs when I tried to replace. What should the voltage to the bulbs be ? also they are 4 pin bases and there is 2 ways to plug tube into base, is there a way to plug them in backwards ? Thank You
I have a laser driver that's around 17,500 volts I mention this would work pretty good for such a device. The thing is I have an ozone generator that something went wrong with it's just it cheap A2Z ozone generator but I need it for my lab work it's scrubs bacteria out of a chamber that I use. I also have a medical grade ozone generator that I do not want to sacrifice for this purpose. I don't even want to open it up to inspect it it's very important to me. I wonder if I took the 17000 driver some nichrome wire and some stainless wire and used a test tube to recreate the tube if this would work. Does it need to be under vacuum do you know? I may be able to figure that out as well. I'm a machine this so I can make a custom one-way valve too attached to the open end that allows for vacuuming the tube out. Of course if this is not necessary I will not bother with that aspect. I really need to rebuild that ozone generator seems to be such a waste to toss it out if I can repair it I just hate that! If you have any thoughts that may help me through this problem I would be very grateful for your input
The make handheld detectors for liquid and gas, but they would cost more than the generator. Easiest to use your (or someone else's) senses of smell. I worked w/ a guy on an ozone disinfection system for purified water system. Ukrainian guy I worked w/ swore he knew exactly what ozone smelled like because the Soviets used to make them stand in front of UV lights at school in the winter.
It sounds like a Chinese description of a water cooled ozone generator tube. Where the high power ozone generators are used they can generate a lot of heat, so water cooling is often used to cool the assembly.
Be careful measuring it, as it is usually high frequency and may cause meter damage. If the connections to the tubes interior and exterior mesh are good then a purple glow should appear on them in a very dark room if the power supply is working.
+danz409 I ran across an old ozone generator at an antique store once. Evidently they were sold in the 40s & 50s as a snake-oil miracle cure for pretty much anything that ails you. It was a big gas-discharge tube, like a neon sign tube, folded back on itself a bunch of times. And yeah, it pumped out the ozone! Also, you got a nice, memorable zap from it if you got your hands anywhere near the tube while it was on. Hard to believe something like that could ever be considered 'safe' in any capacity.
+Shmeh Fleh One type of ozone generator used two tubes zig-zagging against each other. They were each connected to a transformer terminal and the corona discharge occurred between the tubes.
I remember the tubes were parallel to each other, and they glowed in alternating rows of pink and dark purple when the unit was on, if that makes any sense. I do know I would've bought the sucker in a heartbeat, if they weren't asking 500 bucks for it!
Make sure your ozone is built like Tesla's, using Cold Plasma which has cathode/anode glass tubes with noble gases. Many on the market are the cheap versions using corona discharge which has metal and wears out, and also creates toxins. These are no good for your home or for water.
Butch Randolph If you are using it for your home purposes, I think the cheaper one's might do it. Just make sure to air your house out thoroughly. The Cold Plasma Tesla versions are for medical purposes which require extreme purity. I do not know where you can get plans to build it. You'll need to google it.
ozone doesn't just oxidize smells in the air... it oxidizes everything in the air. it's like vaporizing weak bleach and then breathing it. and yes, it bleaches your lungs too. this is why it's considered one of the most important air contaminants, and places like deserts, where ozone gets produced commonly at ground level just from heating rocks in the sun, often have ozone concentrations listed in the local papers. same ozone you hear about forming the ozone layer... but the difference is that the ozone layer is up in the stratosphere, and serves an important function in absorbing UV light (UV will break the O3 back into O2 and single O atoms). ozone that is formed at low levels in the atmosphere is just a pollutant. what things like this should really do is keep the ozone localized inside the box by using filters or UV before the air exits. but AFAIK, none of them do.
+Bogdan M It is just slightly. You will perceive headache before any significant damage is done, and it has an obvious smell, so it's not too dangerous. It's certainly prudent not to be inside when you have ozone generator running, and it's also prudent to air out or wait for a while before you stay in the room for more than a few seconds. After a few hours, the ozone will certainly find some organic matter to oxidise or will recombine back into regular oxygen. Whether one really needs one... meh, i don't know. I suppose it will kill off some furniture resident bacteria and cause particulate matter in the air to set on the walls, where it can be wiped off easily. As a precaution, when my sick dog died and before we got a new one, we blasted all the rooms with powerful quartz UV lamps on a timer which also generated lots of ozone. Probably a good thing. Obviously we stayed out during the procedure.
"It is just slightly." no, it is a very strong oxidizer. it's about the same level as sodium hypochlorite (bleach). it's why it's listed as a major air pollutant in all areas where it gets commonly (and naturally) produced at ground level. these cheap ass ozone producers like the one featured here don't really produce enough to do much. maybe if you were in an enclosed small space with it for hours and hours... but professional ones actually don't release ozone INTO the air at all. the ozone is produced in, and stays in, the box you pass the air through.
the generator gets very hot and burns out - a little fan will not help because you got no heat sink - i have had 2 burn out in several months also they grow a crystalline substance all over then the wires short out creating a bad fire hazard - Chinese cheep design JUNK
The problem with Sanyo's Aqua Washing Machine is that it mixes several new unproven technologies (ex: water reusage, no-detergent, ultra-sonic, ozone ...). It is too risky from the perspective of a standard consumer. For instance, consider this much simpler equipment: - one simple basket sealed with clothes inside (no water and not so dirty) - one ozone generator of high concentration In this simple case, do you think it is possible to clean the clothes?
Problem with ozone is that it degrades all materials, not just dirt and bacteria. Plastics based material become brittle, colour components break down. Thus ozone is possibly best for odour management only.
I have a German one. It's able to read your comment, and it commented sarcastically, "Ha, ha, zat's werry fanny. You mast haf wörked on zat joke really hard."
As a non native english speaker, i like hearing your voice, and how clear each word was pronounciated ... (sorry for my bad grammar) ...
You did perfectly well enough!
Oridecon Bling-Bling dude you speak English better than most natives
Great grammer!
thank you, for showing us the inside of an typical air-ozone generator. i also use chinese parts of ozone generators but to desinfekt and clear water. ozone is very interesting an powerful
Well the package has arrived, a 60mg/h digital timer ozone generator. It jas different guts then in this vid (stacked white plates).
The first thing I checked: Earth connection. Well that's not present at all. Should I connect the earth to the metal case? Most video's tell you to do so, but I also heard that some devices are designed without earth on purpose.
You sounded like god talking to me in a tunnel.
🤣
sounds like you are reporting an alien artifact you found in a derelict tunnel on Mars back to home base. Wow, I watch too much a Sci-fi. :)
The Dollar Guy yeah man he said its Chinese 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Simple Design. I love it.
Nice video. Too bad you have so few comments. I think you did a good job. I've been wanting my own ozone generator for a long time for several reasons. I'd like to bubble ozone through water to purify it, and I'd like to see how well it works at keeping bugs out of places.
On ebay you can find some pretty cheap ozone generators that are just a transformer and ceramic plates. There's a company that apparently does this with a number of these generators, and mounts the plates inside fans to generate large amounts of ozone. They are about $25 and up a set for a 7 oz per hour (so they claim) ozone production.
If you happen to know a better source of just the transformers, let me know. I suppose a person could just use glass, and put metal on both sides.
I even looked into winding my own transformers, but I know so little about them, and what is the best combination of voltage output, watts, frequency, etc, I figured I just start by buying some cheapie china transformers.
Any suggestions as to what would produce the best corona, resulting in the most ozone? For the transformers, what is the best voltage output, power, etc, and for the plates, what is the best to use? screen? wire? is thinner better? are some materials better than others? Is a larger or smaller gap between the metals better? Are some insulators better than others, or is it just a matter of using something that does not easily burn through?
Thanks again for the good video.
I tried making ozone using a micowave oven. I disconnected the power in wires from the microwave generator and used a mayonnaise jar with copper wire wrapped around it, and a big wad of copper wire stuffed inside it, but nothing happened that I could see. Maybe I had too much metal, or the microwave didn't generate enough voltage.
The high voltage transformers are notoriously difficult to make yourself so it's better to buy them. The ceramic ozone plates are a very optimised design and very cheap on ebay now, so it's actually cheaper overall to buy your bits on ebay. The generation of the corona relies on the alternating of the high voltage polarity, and the more often that happens the more corona is produced, which is why the high output units use high frequency supplies.
Be ultra careful with microwave oven circuitry. It can end your life with a single pop like an insect killer. The voltage output is too low for easy ozone generation and would have to be taken directly from the transformer without the rest of the rectifying and smoothing circuitry. But seriously, just don't use the microwave transformer. The electronic ozone generator supplies tend to be current limited so they are less dangerous, but can still cause a fire if the outputs arc.
bigclivedotcom
Thank you for your helpful comments. I think I will probably follow your advise on the ozone generator and the microwave.
How about your comments on another subject: a colloidal silver/other-metals generator. Do you have any knowledge on that subject? I bought a book written by Robert Langlois on wire EDMs, that I thought I could adapt to generate metal colloids, but the parts list is old, and doesn't match parts I could find.
I have bad hearing and could hear him fine and found the video interesting and most informative! thanks for the upload. cheers!
Excellent explanation of the system. Great video.
So they are actually blowing air through the secondary transformer of a Tesla arrangement?
why not turn the thing on ?
And then what?
Very interesting how those are made. So exactly how much voltage, current & frequency are you talking about on this unit then? The transformer doesn't really look all that big. Thanks, Tom.
Hai my friend gokul shared link for this channel
good info..but I could only understand about 1/2...sounded like U R talking in a speaker phone inside a tunnel....
I was filming it in a stairwell for the illumination and trying to be quiet enough not to disturb people.
You need to buy a CHINESE mic......great performance, cheap, practical and great value for money.
Do you know what the mg/h is? Is 12-Volt dc?
If you dont feed it with pure oxygen dont you get nitrous oxides instead of ozone?
+Morkvonork You will get NO/NO2 if you feed it standard air, pretty much.
Even O3 is pretty much toxic in high enough concentrations. When you have a lot of static go off somewhere, and you get that weird electricity smell? That's a very small concentration of ozone, and the reason you detect it so easily is because the human sense of smell has gotten very good at detecting things that are not very good for you.
+The Insufferable Tool ok got leaking sewer pipe under house, three cigerett smokers with three big smelly muts,
house is so noxious to me that it burns my sinuses just walking in the door to visit.
what quanity of ozone is needed to steralize the damp crawl space
4 bed rooms
living and den and the attic and garage.
Lots.
Not quite, you get both ozone and nitric oxide. The really worrisome part is that it forms nitric acid when you add moisture. Like in your mouth and lungs.
Thanks for the feedback
I've seen other units with tubing and a small air pump do you think it would be possible to use this as an oxygen source for a torch
It would still be mixed with air and so wouldn't ignite.
I've seen people use oxygen concentrators (breathing aids) alongside lpg with good results.
Sir I have 2 Unovair ozone units , the 1000 and the 5000 and although both worked fine for me. BOTH fried new bulbs when I tried to replace.
What should the voltage to the bulbs be ? also they are 4 pin bases and there is 2 ways to plug tube into base, is there a way to plug them in backwards ?
Thank You
Sorry Clive you sent me here with your newest video on this :).
gizzymoee me too! I think the echo actually makes his voice sound just amazing. Would pay good money to hear him read a book. Ear candy!
Sounds like Clive when he’s on stage ;)
gizzymoee on stage?
He does the lighting of stages, but I was referring to the echo you get when stood on stage in a large hall. Similar sound effect.
I have a laser driver that's around 17,500 volts I mention this would work pretty good for such a device. The thing is I have an ozone generator that something went wrong with it's just it cheap A2Z ozone generator but I need it for my lab work it's scrubs bacteria out of a chamber that I use. I also have a medical grade ozone generator that I do not want to sacrifice for this purpose. I don't even want to open it up to inspect it it's very important to me. I wonder if I took the 17000 driver some nichrome wire and some stainless wire and used a test tube to recreate the tube if this would work. Does it need to be under vacuum do you know? I may be able to figure that out as well. I'm a machine this so I can make a custom one-way valve too attached to the open end that allows for vacuuming the tube out. Of course if this is not necessary I will not bother with that aspect.
I really need to rebuild that ozone generator seems to be such a waste to toss it out if I can repair it I just hate that! If you have any thoughts that may help me through this problem I would be very grateful for your input
So is active oxygen same as ozone?
Sometimes it gets called that.
Stainless steel wire mesh vs. ceramic plates; what is best for desinfection/removing smell in my car/RV/home?
A fire.
Interesting video, thanks
Is there a way to measure how much ozone gives?
The make handheld detectors for liquid and gas, but they would cost more than the generator. Easiest to use your (or someone else's) senses of smell. I worked w/ a guy on an ozone disinfection system for purified water system. Ukrainian guy I worked w/ swore he knew exactly what ozone smelled like because the Soviets used to make them stand in front of UV lights at school in the winter.
@@Quincy8Boy I feel the ozone but I don't estimate the amount .
isn't UVC lamps more efficient way? Chinese now use aluminium mesh.
I think the ceramic ozone plates are the most efficient.
Is that circuit AC or DC ? I mean that corona tube works with hight voltage AC or DC. I will be really thankful if you responce
High voltage and high frequency AC. DC wouldn't work.
How does a Discharge Water Cooling Enamel Ozone Generator tube work?
It sounds like a Chinese description of a water cooled ozone generator tube. Where the high power ozone generators are used they can generate a lot of heat, so water cooling is often used to cool the assembly.
That's the video you were talking about
great video. thank you.
What (gas) is inside of glass tube?
None in this one. But some seem to use argon to couple to the outside mesh. In this case there's just mesh inside and out.
Do (with precautions) or don't use at all?
Just make sure the ozone has time to deplete before occupying the cleaned area. It's not good to breathe high levels continuously.
What voltage is lead in to the tube?
Probably about 4kV.
Could you measure?
Our gives about 1kV and I think it's broken
Be careful measuring it, as it is usually high frequency and may cause meter damage.
If the connections to the tubes interior and exterior mesh are good then a purple glow should appear on them in a very dark room if the power supply is working.
so what is this used for?
Odour removal and sterilisation.
ok. that makes since. iv always understood breathing ozone was bad for you. thought there was some sort of medical use.
+danz409 I ran across an old ozone generator at an antique store once. Evidently they were sold in the 40s & 50s as a snake-oil miracle cure for pretty much anything that ails you. It was a big gas-discharge tube, like a neon sign tube, folded back on itself a bunch of times. And yeah, it pumped out the ozone! Also, you got a nice, memorable zap from it if you got your hands anywhere near the tube while it was on. Hard to believe something like that could ever be considered 'safe' in any capacity.
+Shmeh Fleh One type of ozone generator used two tubes zig-zagging against each other. They were each connected to a transformer terminal and the corona discharge occurred between the tubes.
I remember the tubes were parallel to each other, and they glowed in alternating rows of pink and dark purple when the unit was on, if that makes any sense. I do know I would've bought the sucker in a heartbeat, if they weren't asking 500 bucks for it!
If the voice would have been clear n loud. Felt like it's muffled.
Make sure your ozone is built like Tesla's, using Cold Plasma which has cathode/anode glass tubes with noble gases. Many on the market are the cheap versions using corona discharge which has metal and wears out, and also creates toxins. These are no good for your home or for water.
Butch Randolph Currently they are very expensive... A few thousand or more. Used in hospitals right now.
Butch Randolph If you are using it for your home purposes, I think the cheaper one's might do it. Just make sure to air your house out thoroughly. The Cold Plasma Tesla versions are for medical purposes which require extreme purity. I do not know where you can get plans to build it. You'll need to google it.
+healthjunkie1 Which toxins does it make?
Actually Tesla’s invention was a corona discharge ozone generator.
But can't you use a second glass tube to protect the inner metal rod from the ozone?
im smelling ozone through youtube. smelly
Is that a Sunon fan in there?
Aren't we all fans of Sunon?
don't breath ozone for too long - your voice will become this weird :-P
hi. does it work for bed bugs? cheers
I doubt it.
u got your finger over the microfone hole of your video recording device my friend
Are you saying a capacitor in a series rivet? (0:25)
A capacitor in series with it.
@@bigclivedotcom correct me if I'm wrong, but this capacitor in series is for electric input stability? Or does it do other purpose?
ozone doesn't just oxidize smells in the air... it oxidizes everything in the air. it's like vaporizing weak bleach and then breathing it. and yes, it bleaches your lungs too. this is why it's considered one of the most important air contaminants, and places like deserts, where ozone gets produced commonly at ground level just from heating rocks in the sun, often have ozone concentrations listed in the local papers.
same ozone you hear about forming the ozone layer... but the difference is that the ozone layer is up in the stratosphere, and serves an important function in absorbing UV light (UV will break the O3 back into O2 and single O atoms). ozone that is formed at low levels in the atmosphere is just a pollutant.
what things like this should really do is keep the ozone localized inside the box by using filters or UV before the air exits. but AFAIK, none of them do.
You reminded me I wanted to build a uv air steriliser, thanks
isn't ozone toxic ??
+Bogdan M It is just slightly. You will perceive headache before any significant damage is done, and it has an obvious smell, so it's not too dangerous. It's certainly prudent not to be inside when you have ozone generator running, and it's also prudent to air out or wait for a while before you stay in the room for more than a few seconds. After a few hours, the ozone will certainly find some organic matter to oxidise or will recombine back into regular oxygen.
Whether one really needs one... meh, i don't know. I suppose it will kill off some furniture resident bacteria and cause particulate matter in the air to set on the walls, where it can be wiped off easily.
As a precaution, when my sick dog died and before we got a new one, we blasted all the rooms with powerful quartz UV lamps on a timer which also generated lots of ozone. Probably a good thing. Obviously we stayed out during the procedure.
"It is just slightly."
no, it is a very strong oxidizer. it's about the same level as sodium hypochlorite (bleach).
it's why it's listed as a major air pollutant in all areas where it gets commonly (and naturally) produced at ground level.
these cheap ass ozone producers like the one featured here don't really produce enough to do much. maybe if you were in an enclosed small space with it for hours and hours... but professional ones actually don't release ozone INTO the air at all. the ozone is produced in, and stays in, the box you pass the air through.
who else here from big clive? original comment
SpacePills1
I am. I kind of like the echo of the stair well.
is the baby sleep?
My neighbors were. I redid this video properly.
He said Corona. He know about corona before 6 year ego
Turn it on!
No!
where is sound
the generator gets very hot and burns out - a little fan will not help because you got no heat sink - i have had 2 burn out in several months also they grow a crystalline substance all over then the wires short out creating a bad fire hazard - Chinese cheep design JUNK
Is it possible to dry clean personal clothes with ozone?
There is a Japanese washing machine that uses ozone. It can tumble the clothing dry for freshening it up, or use it with water for deeper cleaning.
> "There is a Japanese washing machine that uses ozone."
Is it the model bellow?
web-japan.org/trends/science/sci060313.html
Yes, that looks like it. Some commercial laundry equipment uses ozone too.
The problem with Sanyo's Aqua Washing Machine is that it mixes several new unproven technologies (ex: water reusage, no-detergent, ultra-sonic, ozone ...). It is too risky from the perspective of a standard consumer.
For instance, consider this much simpler equipment:
- one simple basket sealed with clothes inside (no water and not so dirty)
- one ozone generator of high concentration
In this simple case, do you think it is possible to clean the clothes?
Problem with ozone is that it degrades all materials, not just dirt and bacteria. Plastics based material become brittle, colour components break down. Thus ozone is possibly best for odour management only.
Why are you whispering?
I have a Japanese version, its yellow and has two slots 😁
I have a German one. It's able to read your comment, and it commented sarcastically, "Ha, ha, zat's werry fanny. You mast haf wörked on zat joke really hard."
Anvilshock mein namne iz weiner von wienerschnitzel and i come from ze deutchland
i have one and is bad smell like fish market
Corona tube... 😱😱😱
He said: "corona"
It’s a concept in the field of physics
That's a bit imprecise calling it Corona, more correctly would be to call it silent discharge (after Siemens) or dielectric barrier discharge (DBD)
सड़ियल विडियो
Q... .
Speak up please!
Hold on a minute...... Is this guy speaking English??? Cause I can barely understand a word he's sayin'....... Just Sayin'.
Nothin like checking your audio before you post. Can't hear a word u said. What a waste.
Can hear him fine.
+Kim Jong-Il WTF? explain!
+Kim Jong-Il u b stupid.
this for water?
No. It's for air.
what the name for water?