Love your content mate, I think you have the best Diablo lore content out there and I hope your channel explodes. As for the class, I think a light-based class will come in the expansion after VoH, but I would be surprised if it was a paladin.
It is so weird to me that Paladin isn't considered an essential class, like the Barbarian, Rogue, and Sorcerer is. Like, in this medieval fantasy world overrun with demons, they didn't think that a knight-like holy warrior was fitting enough for it to be a staple? None of the base classes even really fit the 'heavy armor' archetype
@@loatheburger while dark in aesthetic and class abilities, the narrative role necros serve is more neutral/indifferent as their mission is to maintain the balance, typically the player necro is more towards light like the D2 Necro Xul and the D4 Wanderer Necro. The spirit born will also technically be a light based class with their connection to the spirit realm and Ysevete and Akarat. I get what you mean regardless though.
devs avoiding the Paladin because he is a beacon of light, a warrior, a healer, a hero.. There shall be no Holy class in this God forsaken game. Only Cringe is allowed.
I played through D4 at launch and it was okay I guess. But I didn't want to invest in a toon that wasnt' a paladin. I'm one of those die hard paladin or darknight guys and almost exclusively play those types of classes in any mmo's or rpg's I play. Since D4 didn't have one, I stopped. I keep hoping they will bring that class back in some form, but looks like I'm going to continue waiting
I think that Tyreal turning human, then dying, then we see Lorath at his grave, might hint that his chances of coming back are... not great at this point.
@@djelectric we have no evidence Tyreal is dead at this point; also, I can’t imagine blizzard would kill him offscreen considering he’s been such an integral character since D2.
@@KeithRHuff Blizzard did worse than killing a respectable character off-screen by now. Tyreal was turned into a human, and the grave with the Horadrim symbol that Lorath has visited cannot logically belong to anyone else, Especially after the close relationship they used to have. Sorry.
The reasoning of why we don't an established area for a Holy class is fine, but it just seams they are purposefully keeping classes such as Paladin away as a marketing tool for more paid DLC. Paladin's have always been popular characters, in Diablo. There is no reason that they couldn't have made a Rogue Paladin for the game.
The Monk...I mean Spiritborn was someone's pet idea. In their desperation to re-invent the wheel, they didn't use the Witchdoctor that comes from Nahantu or any other classes that already exisited.
They could have literally fit any class in the expac. The class doesn't need to come from there as long as you have a story reason to have that class be part of the expac. It's not like spiritborn was a thing that existed before either.
Personally I would love if they didn't even think about Diablo 5 and continued with Diablo 4 and did expansion after expansion, adding parts of the world old and new as well as classes, old and new. I would really want to see us eventually facing Diablo again. With a stacked roster of characters and a giant world to explore, I can see myself playing this game for a very long time.
Going "unique" instead of classic is such a plague nowadays when people think they can do better than the proven previous success. It wouldn't even be an issue if we weren't starved for new content. We get to eat once every 15 months then i don't want to eat "unique" but here we are with a 2.0 witch doctor. By the way, "unique" is the next best thing you can call something that you can't actually call "good".
Reason why there is no Paladin class in the Vessel of Hatred? Simple. D4 dev team wanted to create something completely new regardless if it has aspects of the monk and witch doctor and did not want to be tied down to the paladin's tool kit even tho it would make complete sense and be the perfect reason why the paladins have returned. They wanted the freedom of creation and so now we have the Spirit born. After seeing they're presentation on it. I am sold on it. Looks good. But i want Paladins too. Make sense lorewise. Don't know why they couldn't have introduced two classes. POE is kicking their ass inside out with an abundance of content while still working on POE 2. No competition.
PoE isn't kicking their ass at all, PoE is for the hardcore group, Diablo is a more simplistic take on arpg's and therefore more accessible to a wider audience.
Paladin is a certain cash grab for the 2nd expansion :) Blizzard knows what they are doing if speaking about money, not so sure about making good games anymore though.
After the events of Diablo 3, the High Heavens closed themselves off to all realms as well. The cult of Inarius was able to pray to him and be blessed by him since he was a holy entity in Snctuary. Assuming his redemption is coming in Vessel of Hatred, it'll unlock the Paladin/Crusader/Priest/Cleric whatever in the next expansion. Because even with everything you said the High Heavens gates are still closed, pretty sure that means to prayers also.
New here, enjoyed that! Paladin has always been my fantasy/main in games from wow, Diablo and even dark souls. Always wondered if they could spice it up with a priest (my alt) - so glad you mentioned that 🤞🤞 haha
Welcome and thank you for the kind words! I played a Priest for a while in WoW and a Pally on Baldurs Gate 3 and FFXIV - I feel your pain. I always go with miracle builds in Dark Souls/ Elden Ring too
When they kept saying that they wanted a class that came from the region, I was thinking to myself that’s where the paladin originated as well so that argument didn’t make too much sense to me
There's no paladin because ''rod'' fergusson is in charge. He absolutely does NOT care about what people want. He was never Diablo fan nor player. He ruined Gears of War and came to ruin Diablo as well.
No, we do not want an holy class, we certainly don't want a god damn crusader like they gave us in diablo 3 just so we would shut up for a while. What we want is a PALADIN. it's been more than 20 years...
@maximecaron1969 ..... I'm confused by your statement. The Paladin is a Holy Class that specializes in Auras. So yes. We do want a Holy Class. The Paladin.
Nice theory, but in my opinion wrong. 1. There were paladins during events of D2, when Westmarch already existed. 2. There are crusaders in D4. We met them in Hawezar. I think that next time we wil visit Khanduras and that's the place where we will get templar from order rebuilded by Kormac from D3. Why? 1. It is time to go back home, to Tristram. 2. I can't find any class other than rouge that fits to this region. 3. I know that templars orginaly are more connected with Westmarch, but > order was corupted and Kormac was going to fix/rebuild > Kormac was a part of team with Haedrig who fits the most for the new ruler of Khanduras. That make sense that those two would work together > We met templar for the first time in Tristram, in Horadim Catherdral. It would be good narration to use it as new place for order. > I think that this could be even idea of Tyrael, who was also a part of the team and creator of original Horardrims connected with Tristram. It make sense that while creating New Horardrim order this time he could think about kind of backup. In the end, he was the "new aspect of wisdom". - Last thing thing, is a question about divine power. I think that maybe High Haevens closed it gates, but it doesn't mean that somebody couldn't sneak out like Tyrael in the past to help humanity. Don't forget he was not the only one who was voting for save humanity. There was also archangel of hope - Auriel. And becouse of events of D1, D2 and D3 what's the better place to continue his legacy by his angelic friend?
We’ll get Paladin for the 2nd expansion, when we finally face Diablo. As much as the lore gets explained here, Blizzard will need something to close the Diablo 4 with good sales, so yeah.
I do wonder if we will see store classes. Even if Paladin won't appear ingame through expansions maybe as a payed dlc class like Necromancer was for Diablo 3. Blood knight from Immortal has been hinted to maybe appear as folk asked for it D4. Or like WoW allied races we get 1 class from start like spiritborn a second class i unlocked as expansion get new content? If spiritborn is coming as we seen it will,it seem Blizzard is willing to make more "fantastical" creatures/classes so I think like others they saving Paladin for once we reach heaven and we get a holy/angelic inclined class. Cleric class invoking power from higher planes? Personally I would have loved a more gritty darker less comical looking Witch Doctor,hard now with spiritborn I guess. But as said above Necro still arrived in D3 even though Witch Doctor existed as summoner class. So maybe one day as a store class.
The Paladin was disbanded officially because after Marshal Cartas was ultimately corrupted the church thought that all Paladins are tainted. The Crusaders are now the new Paladins for most of the untainted Paladins joined them while others joined the Guards of Westmarch.
I was a Auradin main in D2. And I was always welcome in every group. I miss that play style in both D3 and D4. Crusaders were weak sauce in comparison.
Well, Angels we will never have. They are basically gods. Look at Inarius, he created the whole world alongside Lilith. It would completely go against lore to allow thousands of players to be Angels. If there were thousands of Angels walking around Sanctuary, there would be no demons. Literally. Even the three greater evils would be very careful. Now Valkyrie might be cool.
“Instead” implies there was ever a chance of this releasing. Blizzard has been open and adamant about communicating it wasn’t gonna happen and they wanted something new and fresh. 😊
If they don’t bring the Paladin back next expansion then I would assume it still be a light class. Personally I think a Zakarum inquisitor would be a solid new class if they wanted to replace the sword and board paladin. Or perhaps it won’t even be Zakarum but the Cathedral of Light and to be honest could make sense as you mentioned former followers joining the ranks of the hero’s. There is also a rogue set that is inspired by the Zakarum and looks pretty dope.
The lack of a heavy armor sword/board light bearing class is definitely felt. I remember an interview with Rod Ferguson where he said he knew the fans want a paladin/crusader badly. Lets hope that turns into something
@@loatheburger I would much prefer that than another light class variant as a replacement for sure. The Zakarum still have a foothold in Sanctuary so it would be ideal for them to bring it back. Not crusader/Templar but the Paladin itself. Funny though because I know VERY little of the Amazon aside from the homeland she returned to after D2. Sanctuary could definitely use them and they just kind of disappeared unless there is some post lore from D2 that I’ve missed. Wonder if the Amazon’s make a comeback.
Why Spiritborn was chosen instead: DEI. Let's be real they could brought back a ton of classes people would've been far more excited for but the industry loves their DEI stuff. The class looks cool ,I'm not mad or being like "FUCK DEI I'M SKIPPING THIS EXPAC REEEEEEE" but my bet would be on that. Would've loved assassin, amazon or paladin back a lot more. I'm assuming they might do paladin when the high heavens are reopened for some reason.
Great point on the DEI. I do think Spiritborn is a badass class and fills in the Martial Artist subtype like the Monk did in D3 and Assassin in D2 - as a sword & board lover (Paladin in BG3 and FFXIV), I do miss it
The industry doesnt love DEI. Microsoft just canned their DEI team after buying all the studios they did and many companies will follow suit. Chinese companies have already told them off. Sweetbabyinc doesnt represent industry as a whole.
@@notyaboi2781 They got rid of 1 DEI team and one studio/company doing that doesn't mean "The industry doesn't love DEI" and it also doesn't mean DEI won't be a problem for a bit longer. People have started pushing back recently but games are long to make and these DEI consultants are often hired due to the funding devs/publishers get from certain governments. These funds come with strings attached like having to hire DEI consultants. Also with the shit Blizzard got in like 3 years ago they've been pushing more DEI stuff to gain moral points back. As for the Chinese companies, they know most of their revenue is from China/Asia, they know what sells there and it's not diversity and inclusivity lol As for another thing you said "Sweetbabyinc doesn't represent the industry as a whole": Guess what, Microsoft and the devs of Black Myth Wukong don't represent the whole industry either. I think the major pushback from gamers might make DEI disappear but for now let's not act like that fight is won already.
They didn't make paladins because they are a joke at class balancing and are scared to death to even attempt to make auras something 4 pallys can't party and stack to out perform any other group by a mile
Somehow we need to get them to give us a Valkyrie class. A combination of Crusader/Paladin and Amazon. There's already so many cool shield and spear abilities in the various Diablo games.
Hello sir, I wondered if you had any intro to the lore videos for Diablo? I love the way you break down the series, but know precious little about what you speak of.
@@loatheburger absolutely, your videos seem to be deep dives into specific aspects, do you have a starting point for someone who knows absolutely nothing about Diablo lore?
Not yet! But that’s a great idea - a nutshell video of what happened specifically in the games. I do want to put together a much longer ‘entire timeline of the Diablo series’ but that will be farther down the road
That's alot of fancy lore stuff that most players don't care about. The real reason the business reason is, it is an expansion seller. There is 4 archetypes that are a staple to the Diablo brand "Mage", "Warrior", "Rogue" and "Light" (paladin/crusader). Can you imagine a Diablo release without the "Mage" and "Warrior" Archetypes? There would be a riot. So instead of giving players access to the "Light" archetype, they chose to be tone deaf and give us some homebrewed hybrid monk/druid class that literally no one asked for. No one gives crap about the lore, it's the playstyle and fantasy people care about.
@@loatheburger That wasn't directed at your channel, you just happened to popup on my feed and I vented. We know the real reason we don't have a "paladin" type the rest is just fluff. Keep doing you I was just projecting.
@@Alacod19fair enough. Yeah a Light archetype is sorely missing - most likely due to DEI decisions they chose Spiritborn. I dont mind if they do something new in the future - but that archetype is sorely missing, especially when you have a dark class like Necro in the game
I was kinda hoping they would have given us the witch doctor we actually should have gotten in D3. I think the spirit born is more of an updated monk. And I’m still hoping for a new paladin!
Blizz introduced Spiritborn because holy class doesn't fit jugnle theme, but it fits next expanshion. BTW...we already seen on their art a figure with angelic wings standing on top and surrounded by other classes, so yeah, smth class like this probably will be in next expanshion. Anyway, thanks for the vid, it was interesting to listen!
I doubt the Cathedral of light is going to have anything to do with our Hero, if you look as some of the Murals in the Fractured Peaks the Cathedral of Light and Zakarum actively fight and kill each other. I believe the differences between the two Religious groups are as different as Arian modalists and Trinitarians (Orthodox Christianity).
Same - there’s room for one. The Demonhunter used sentry turrets and cluster arrows which are more engineer/tinkerer focused. Maybe it can be a heavy gunner-type class with a 2 handed melee spec option? Just spitballing
You can make up any excuse you want for why a paladin class STILL hasn't been introduced to D4. BUT you can use the same lore to introduce them as well. I really and honestly believe that Blizzard has been avoiding or removing any "religious" elements from their games and that is why D4 is STILL missing a Paladin or even a Cleric class. This is also the reason why D4 lacks a soul. It is an empty game. Souless.
Dude if we don’t get playable Knights Penitent before the end of VoH can we all please agree to riot? Also I’d like to see what the Angel Hadriel has been up to!
You... you haven't found Carthas yet in D4? That's your paladin. THE paladin from D2. He took Sankekur's body, infected by Mephisto's hatred to someplace, I forgot where exactly, to safeguard it with other paladins.
I do have a series in the backlog planned to talk about where the specific player characters are as opposed to speaking generally about their class/order
@@phantombigboss8429 well there r vampire knight penitent in some areas ... i would like to see some break free from the control ... i don think it will have conflict with the lore
Blizzard remade a beautiful game with d4 off the backbone of the OG.... but their creative teams are complete garbage and cant hold up the pace. Welcome to 2024. This is the new way of the world.
Paladins are no more, they were a split from Knights of Westmarch and Grand Marshall Elyas was their last leader. The Crusader should be the holy class in the second expansion of Diablo IV.
Why no paladins? Because paladin dont live in jungle? New class is: witch doctor... Or no, new class is spiritborn. But spiritborn=witch doctor and witch doctor=spiritborn, but i dont lost time with this bad game. Its only fun for me how blizz try save D4. :)
We don’t have a Crusader. We don’t have a Paladin. We don’t have a Templar. Bro we don’t even have a KNIGHT. IN A FANTASY GAME! Just a bunch of unwashed weirdos.
Spiritborn ... another mix other classes :/ this is just sad! stuffed with spectacular animations, it will slightly outshine the other characters, a bad idea in my opinion... I feel like everyone will be spiritborn soon :D
Yeah agreed - alot of streamers who played it recently stated it’s the most polished class. We haven’t heard much about what changes we’re going to see to the other classes come Vessel of Hatred - curious to see what they come up with
The crusaders didn't help the paladins they literally killed most of them because they were corrupt. Go read johanna's story from when the crusader was added in RoS. Speaking of Johanna, there is a quest to go get her armor for her squire (who then becomes the new johanna) in diablo 4. That means at the very least there is still one crusader around. I also feel like sayibh that the westmarch knights are paladins is a bit of a stretch. Even if they were, it would be a massively watered down version just like all of the Christianity branches today. I don't know if they were the last ones, but we also came across the paladin spirits inside the tomb of Sankekur. So d2 wasnt exactly the last time we saw them either. Even more so if we take your thoughts about the knights of westmarch being paladins.
Ill have to look into the Paladin piece as I thought the order that traveled west ended up settling as knight guards in Westmarch I made a video about Johanna in D4 here: ruclips.net/video/6NE3MNWuxuQ/видео.htmlsi=1ZHveDIjno8ZtCNK
I don't realy care that much of an ''holy'' class , more so i would love sword and board class. knight , warrior , royal guard .. name is irrelevant realy. but the true thorn class with some serious healing/mitigation would be cool and fresh for group play, having tank / mob controller , or trash killer but durable to tank bosses.
Yes me too! I always go sword + board in RPGs - whether that’s FFXIV, BG3, Elden Ring, Last Epoch, WoW, etc. Love the weight of attacks and especially shield-slam type abilities
Knights Penitent, they’re gritty, heavy, sword/spear and shield. A dash of light wielding thrown in, that’s the go man. Doesn’t need hammers flying around, although maybe just a few…
Personally, I always found the paladin type classes boring in their game play and they were the least played characters in their games that I played. On another note, the developers have already said there would be no paladin class back around the time they were announcing the original D4 character types, so the disappointment about them not being in the Vessel of Hatred is strange to me. Obviously we all have different opinions and I am in the minority, but I'd rather them give us something new, refreshing, and interesting than rehash a class type that has already been done multiple times.
very simple....this is a marketing move...They will give paladin when they feel that game is not making enough money at the market after being destroyed by POE2 ;)
The reason we wont get a paladin has to do probably with DEI influence. Paladin concept art was related with the christian faith. Holy shield was ispired by the crusades. Another reason might be something that they answered a few days ago. They said they wanted to do something new so they would not be limited by the guidlines of an archetype. In my oppinion this is a pr explenation and behind their decision is the fact that the new expansion at its core has the new class and they didnt want to risk making a paladin, failing to deliver and get any sort of backlash to their sales.
Answer is simple: Woke You have basically realm: Nahantu. The ending -ntu is basically more common in African languages. You add freaking GORILLA as spirit animal. But still you create realm that resembles more mayan/aztec realm. And those civilizations lived in south america. Ding ding ding. There are no gorillas in south america. So what you got is forced DE-I bullshit forced on Kehjistan. Cause Kehjistan was allready in lore and was more like mayan/aztec style area/jungle. But what they wanted to actually do is make DE-I woke story with new DE-I woke zone (Don't be surprised there still probably is woke) But they were forced to put it at Kehjistan due lore issues.
I agree with your logic on that in full, but I think it’s worth mentioning I think there were probably Gorillas in the Kurast area since we had Gorilla Demons in A3 D2 despite them not existing in irl South America.
i personally hope we don't get a paladin/crusader/templar. a pure holy class at least right now just seems kinda meh... i would much rather see some new shield knight class that utilizes both holy and demonic spells/abilities. we see that angels like inarius can be a little bad, and demons like lilith can be kindaaaa good, so it would be fun to see a new shield knight class trying to keep balance with holy and demonic powers. i'm sure they can make some new religion in some part of sanctuary that this could easily fit in
Love your content mate, I think you have the best Diablo lore content out there and I hope your channel explodes. As for the class, I think a light-based class will come in the expansion after VoH, but I would be surprised if it was a paladin.
Thank you for the kind words man!
It is so weird to me that Paladin isn't considered an essential class, like the Barbarian, Rogue, and Sorcerer is. Like, in this medieval fantasy world overrun with demons, they didn't think that a knight-like holy warrior was fitting enough for it to be a staple? None of the base classes even really fit the 'heavy armor' archetype
Yeah it definitely is an essential archetype. The fact there's no light-based classes is strange, given you have a dark-based necromancer
@@loatheburger while dark in aesthetic and class abilities, the narrative role necros serve is more neutral/indifferent as their mission is to maintain the balance, typically the player necro is more towards light like the D2 Necro Xul and the D4 Wanderer Necro. The spirit born will also technically be a light based class with their connection to the spirit realm and Ysevete and Akarat. I get what you mean regardless though.
not a single class has heavy armor
devs avoiding the Paladin because he is a beacon of light, a warrior, a healer, a hero.. There shall be no Holy class in this God forsaken game. Only Cringe is allowed.
The question that's been keeping me awake at night, tossing and turning, boiling in my own sweat - "Where Is The Paladin"?
You may sleep well now 😂
I have no idea either, but it's going to be another 90💲💵.
He dead, dead... now the Crusader could still be out there, but he'd be old AF and probably dead too now.
Paladin will be next, the commuity demand is insane XD
At this point I’ll be happy if it’s even just a knight class. Game Needs a sword and board class. Not just Magic user number 37.
I haven't played Diablo since 2014. If Paladin is a class, I will 100% buy the game.
I played through D4 at launch and it was okay I guess. But I didn't want to invest in a toon that wasnt' a paladin. I'm one of those die hard paladin or darknight guys and almost exclusively play those types of classes in any mmo's or rpg's I play. Since D4 didn't have one, I stopped. I keep hoping they will bring that class back in some form, but looks like I'm going to continue waiting
I suspect that whenever Tyreal comes back, we’ll get a holy class.
I doubt he will I dont think the devs like paladins.
@@darthrevan2081 So they should be purged too.
In fact, all Blizzard should be purged.
I think that Tyreal turning human, then dying, then we see Lorath at his grave, might hint that his chances of coming back are... not great at this point.
@@djelectric we have no evidence Tyreal is dead at this point; also, I can’t imagine blizzard would kill him offscreen considering he’s been such an integral character since D2.
@@KeithRHuff Blizzard did worse than killing a respectable character off-screen by now. Tyreal was turned into a human, and the grave with the Horadrim symbol that Lorath has visited cannot logically belong to anyone else, Especially after the close relationship they used to have. Sorry.
The game just doesn’t feel whole without a holy class…
Completely agreed
Hehe doesnt feel Wholy
I’m not playing the game before they add the Paladin, if they don’t they don’t get my money 👍🏻
Whatever will they do 😂
and i bet when they get the Paladin, he will look like a trans man, and there wont be Zeal it will just be hammers and FOH all day
@@Adamismmyname007couyon you mind runnin that bullsht on outta here
@@TheCannibalLlamayou know he’s right though
The reasoning of why we don't an established area for a Holy class is fine, but it just seams they are purposefully keeping classes such as Paladin away as a marketing tool for more paid DLC. Paladin's have always been popular characters, in Diablo. There is no reason that they couldn't have made a Rogue Paladin for the game.
Yeah I think you’re right honestly. It’s probably why they saved the Crusader for Diablo 3’s expansion - a sexy class to sell it
@@loatheburger I could very well could be wrong; I jut find it harder to give them the benefit of the doubt these days.
Its weird how immortal gets more class love than IV is
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The Monk...I mean Spiritborn was someone's pet idea. In their desperation to re-invent the wheel, they didn't use the Witchdoctor that comes from Nahantu or any other classes that already exisited.
They could have literally fit any class in the expac. The class doesn't need to come from there as long as you have a story reason to have that class be part of the expac. It's not like spiritborn was a thing that existed before either.
The whole game feels like them trying to re-invent the wheel
I just want a caster light based class. 😭
Personally I would love if they didn't even think about Diablo 5 and continued with Diablo 4 and did expansion after expansion, adding parts of the world old and new as well as classes, old and new. I would really want to see us eventually facing Diablo again. With a stacked roster of characters and a giant world to explore, I can see myself playing this game for a very long time.
Going "unique" instead of classic is such a plague nowadays when people think they can do better than the proven previous success. It wouldn't even be an issue if we weren't starved for new content. We get to eat once every 15 months then i don't want to eat "unique" but here we are with a 2.0 witch doctor. By the way, "unique" is the next best thing you can call something that you can't actually call "good".
Reason why there is no Paladin class in the Vessel of Hatred? Simple. D4 dev team wanted to create something completely new regardless if it has aspects of the monk and witch doctor and did not want to be tied down to the paladin's tool kit even tho it would make complete sense and be the perfect reason why the paladins have returned. They wanted the freedom of creation and so now we have the Spirit born. After seeing they're presentation on it. I am sold on it. Looks good. But i want Paladins too. Make sense lorewise. Don't know why they couldn't have introduced two classes. POE is kicking their ass inside out with an abundance of content while still working on POE 2. No competition.
PoE isn't kicking their ass at all, PoE is for the hardcore group, Diablo is a more simplistic take on arpg's and therefore more accessible to a wider audience.
Completely agreed until the last two sentences, very similar yet very different games…
Paladin is a certain cash grab for the 2nd expansion :) Blizzard knows what they are doing if speaking about money, not so sure about making good games anymore though.
After the events of Diablo 3, the High Heavens closed themselves off to all realms as well. The cult of Inarius was able to pray to him and be blessed by him since he was a holy entity in Snctuary. Assuming his redemption is coming in Vessel of Hatred, it'll unlock the Paladin/Crusader/Priest/Cleric whatever in the next expansion. Because even with everything you said the High Heavens gates are still closed, pretty sure that means to prayers also.
New here, enjoyed that!
Paladin has always been my fantasy/main in games from wow, Diablo and even dark souls.
Always wondered if they could spice it up with a priest (my alt) - so glad you mentioned that 🤞🤞 haha
Welcome and thank you for the kind words! I played a Priest for a while in WoW and a Pally on Baldurs Gate 3 and FFXIV - I feel your pain. I always go with miracle builds in Dark Souls/ Elden Ring too
When they kept saying that they wanted a class that came from the region, I was thinking to myself that’s where the paladin originated as well so that argument didn’t make too much sense to me
There's no paladin because ''rod'' fergusson is in charge.
He absolutely does NOT care about what people want.
He was never Diablo fan nor player. He ruined Gears of War and came to ruin Diablo as well.
I really dislike that guy
Hopefully we get a holy class and Diablo next year!
No, we do not want an holy class, we certainly don't want a god damn crusader like they gave us in diablo 3 just so we would shut up for a while. What we want is a PALADIN. it's been more than 20 years...
@maximecaron1969 ..... I'm confused by your statement. The Paladin is a Holy Class that specializes in Auras. So yes. We do want a Holy Class. The Paladin.
@@salesiteisina7098 I would be fine with all holy types, even a priest/ranged holy class.
Probably...
What's the difference between a Crusader and a Paladin?@@maximecaron1969
Nice theory, but in my opinion wrong.
1. There were paladins during events of D2, when Westmarch already existed.
2. There are crusaders in D4. We met them in Hawezar.
I think that next time we wil visit Khanduras and that's the place where we will get templar from order rebuilded by Kormac from D3. Why?
1. It is time to go back home, to Tristram.
2. I can't find any class other than rouge that fits to this region.
3. I know that templars orginaly are more connected with Westmarch, but
> order was corupted and Kormac was going to fix/rebuild
> Kormac was a part of team with Haedrig who fits the most for the new ruler of Khanduras. That make sense that those two would work together
> We met templar for the first time in Tristram, in Horadim Catherdral. It would be good narration to use it as new place for order.
> I think that this could be even idea of Tyrael, who was also a part of the team and creator of original Horardrims connected with Tristram. It make sense that while creating New Horardrim order this time he could think about kind of backup. In the end, he was the "new aspect of wisdom".
- Last thing thing, is a question about divine power. I think that maybe High Haevens closed it gates, but it doesn't mean that somebody couldn't sneak out like Tyrael in the past to help humanity. Don't forget he was not the only one who was voting for save humanity. There was also archangel of hope - Auriel. And becouse of events of D1, D2 and D3 what's the better place to continue his legacy by his angelic friend?
This lore is dead to the new blizzard. New blizzard only cares about DEI making a game for a modern audience.
We’ll get Paladin for the 2nd expansion, when we finally face Diablo. As much as the lore gets explained here, Blizzard will need something to close the Diablo 4 with good sales, so yeah.
Yup I’m fully aware of the business motives behind it all - I just think Diablo has some of the richest lore in gaming and love talking about it
Either Paladin class or 5 class rework and polish to catch up to the quality and polish of the spirit born class
Yeah I am curious to see what the improvements for existing classes will be in Vessel of Hatred
I do wonder if we will see store classes. Even if Paladin won't appear ingame through expansions maybe as a payed dlc class like Necromancer was for Diablo 3.
Blood knight from Immortal has been hinted to maybe appear as folk asked for it D4.
Or like WoW allied races we get 1 class from start like spiritborn a second class i unlocked as expansion get new content?
If spiritborn is coming as we seen it will,it seem Blizzard is willing to make more "fantastical" creatures/classes so I think like others they saving Paladin for once we reach heaven and we get a holy/angelic inclined class.
Cleric class invoking power from higher planes?
Personally I would have loved a more gritty darker less comical looking Witch Doctor,hard now with spiritborn I guess.
But as said above Necro still arrived in D3 even though Witch Doctor existed as summoner class.
So maybe one day as a store class.
The Paladin was disbanded officially because after Marshal Cartas was ultimately corrupted the church thought that all Paladins are tainted. The Crusaders are now the new Paladins for most of the untainted Paladins joined them while others joined the Guards of Westmarch.
Thanks for the context!
@@loatheburger you're welcome :) by the way Marshal Cartas was the Paladin in Diablo 2
There could be wandering paladins or knights, or fallen angels like Tyrael who have fallen but aren't evil per se.
@@Tletna This could be very well the case too.
I was a Auradin main in D2. And I was always welcome in every group. I miss that play style in both D3 and D4. Crusaders were weak sauce in comparison.
instead of the old classes like paladin i would want an angel or a valkyire with holy magic and amazing gameplay
Well, Angels we will never have. They are basically gods. Look at Inarius, he created the whole world alongside Lilith. It would completely go against lore to allow thousands of players to be Angels. If there were thousands of Angels walking around Sanctuary, there would be no demons. Literally. Even the three greater evils would be very careful.
Now Valkyrie might be cool.
if there's no paladin i hope theyre reconsidering making a Inquisitor class
That would be sweet. Like a combination of a demon hunter and paladin would be pretty epic.
Introduced to crush the Triune cult under the iron boot of the light!
I'm happy that they did something different...
People just want the class but not aware of the lore. I’m happy with the direction they’re going. Fresh story to tell and new enemies to face.
Same, I'm glad they made a new class. I want somthing new rather than somthing we had before.
Drink that blizzard Kool aid
I am glad they made a new class but I was expecting and wanting a shield bearer holy class tbh, but I liked spiritborn so far no complaining here
Thank you Blizzard for the free advertisement to play POE and POE2 over your garbage overpriced dlc.
I personally want holy class paladin/priest/crusader.
“Instead” implies there was ever a chance of this releasing. Blizzard has been open and adamant about communicating it wasn’t gonna happen and they wanted something new and fresh. 😊
I just want a sword and board class 🥲
The way you pronounce Travincal should be illegal but then again it could also be the correct way.
🤣 oh trust me the comments let me know. It’s apparently ‘Tra-vin-call’
If they don’t bring the Paladin back next expansion then I would assume it still be a light class. Personally I think a Zakarum inquisitor would be a solid new class if they wanted to replace the sword and board paladin. Or perhaps it won’t even be Zakarum but the Cathedral of Light and to be honest could make sense as you mentioned former followers joining the ranks of the hero’s. There is also a rogue set that is inspired by the Zakarum and looks pretty dope.
The lack of a heavy armor sword/board light bearing class is definitely felt. I remember an interview with Rod Ferguson where he said he knew the fans want a paladin/crusader badly. Lets hope that turns into something
@@loatheburger I would much prefer that than another light class variant as a replacement for sure. The Zakarum still have a foothold in Sanctuary so it would be ideal for them to bring it back. Not crusader/Templar but the Paladin itself. Funny though because I know VERY little of the Amazon aside from the homeland she returned to after D2. Sanctuary could definitely use them and they just kind of disappeared unless there is some post lore from D2 that I’ve missed. Wonder if the Amazon’s make a comeback.
Why Spiritborn was chosen instead: DEI. Let's be real they could brought back a ton of classes people would've been far more excited for but the industry loves their DEI stuff. The class looks cool ,I'm not mad or being like "FUCK DEI I'M SKIPPING THIS EXPAC REEEEEEE" but my bet would be on that. Would've loved assassin, amazon or paladin back a lot more.
I'm assuming they might do paladin when the high heavens are reopened for some reason.
Great point on the DEI. I do think Spiritborn is a badass class and fills in the Martial Artist subtype like the Monk did in D3 and Assassin in D2 - as a sword & board lover (Paladin in BG3 and FFXIV), I do miss it
The industry doesnt love DEI. Microsoft just canned their DEI team after buying all the studios they did and many companies will follow suit. Chinese companies have already told them off. Sweetbabyinc doesnt represent industry as a whole.
@@notyaboi2781 They got rid of 1 DEI team and one studio/company doing that doesn't mean "The industry doesn't love DEI" and it also doesn't mean DEI won't be a problem for a bit longer. People have started pushing back recently but games are long to make and these DEI consultants are often hired due to the funding devs/publishers get from certain governments. These funds come with strings attached like having to hire DEI consultants. Also with the shit Blizzard got in like 3 years ago they've been pushing more DEI stuff to gain moral points back.
As for the Chinese companies, they know most of their revenue is from China/Asia, they know what sells there and it's not diversity and inclusivity lol
As for another thing you said "Sweetbabyinc doesn't represent the industry as a whole": Guess what, Microsoft and the devs of Black Myth Wukong don't represent the whole industry either.
I think the major pushback from gamers might make DEI disappear but for now let's not act like that fight is won already.
WOKE DEI = dead pala 😒
They didn't make paladins because they are a joke at class balancing and are scared to death to even attempt to make auras something 4 pallys can't party and stack to out perform any other group by a mile
Somehow we need to get them to give us a Valkyrie class. A combination of Crusader/Paladin and Amazon. There's already so many cool shield and spear abilities in the various Diablo games.
Hello sir, I wondered if you had any intro to the lore videos for Diablo? I love the way you break down the series, but know precious little about what you speak of.
Thank you sir! Glad you’re enjoying the content. Can you expand on what you mean?
@@loatheburger absolutely, your videos seem to be deep dives into specific aspects, do you have a starting point for someone who knows absolutely nothing about Diablo lore?
Not yet! But that’s a great idea - a nutshell video of what happened specifically in the games. I do want to put together a much longer ‘entire timeline of the Diablo series’ but that will be farther down the road
@@loatheburger absolutely, you have a great way of explaining things, that I personally think would make for a fantastic getting started video.
I will release a Diablo Nutshell/Getting Started video prior to VOH’s release :). Thanks for the suggestion
That's alot of fancy lore stuff that most players don't care about. The real reason the business reason is, it is an expansion seller. There is 4 archetypes that are a staple to the Diablo brand "Mage", "Warrior", "Rogue" and "Light" (paladin/crusader). Can you imagine a Diablo release without the "Mage" and "Warrior" Archetypes? There would be a riot. So instead of giving players access to the "Light" archetype, they chose to be tone deaf and give us some homebrewed hybrid monk/druid class that literally no one asked for. No one gives crap about the lore, it's the playstyle and fantasy people care about.
This entire channel is lore based - YOU dont give a crap about the lore.
@@loatheburger That wasn't directed at your channel, you just happened to popup on my feed and I vented. We know the real reason we don't have a "paladin" type the rest is just fluff. Keep doing you I was just projecting.
@@Alacod19fair enough. Yeah a Light archetype is sorely missing - most likely due to DEI decisions they chose Spiritborn. I dont mind if they do something new in the future - but that archetype is sorely missing, especially when you have a dark class like Necro in the game
I didn't really like the crusader. It felt like a watered down paladin. Paladin is way cooler IMO
They aren’t down with anything holy. Period.
Wouldn't mind the holy knight archetype filled by a Templar class as we've played Paladin and Crusader already. But I do love me Pallys.
Love your Sammy's cameo!!
Thanks! Finn says hello
I was kinda hoping they would have given us the witch doctor we actually should have gotten in D3. I think the spirit born is more of an updated monk. And I’m still hoping for a new paladin!
Yes Witch Doctor and Monk were tied for my favorite classes in Diablo 3. I miss my Fetish Sycophants
I always rolled paladin in d1
@@Csnooblet I do the same in D2. lol
same lol
There was a paladin in d1? Thought it was warrior rogue sorcerer monk
I think you are confusing your Diablos
Paladin wasn't introduced until Diablo 2
Also notice how paladin is considered “Holy” and DEI is allergic too all those things.
Yeah you aren’t wrong - but at the same time you can say the whole world of Diablo isn’t DEI since the entire concept is sacrilegious
really i am shocked that still no holy based class in game . i mean we will have methisto in expansion propably diablo too and still no light class?
You should know by now where the paladin is....behind another 80$ paywall 🤣🤣
Blizz introduced Spiritborn because holy class doesn't fit jugnle theme, but it fits next expanshion.
BTW...we already seen on their art a figure with angelic wings standing on top and surrounded by other classes, so yeah, smth class like this probably will be in next expanshion.
Anyway, thanks for the vid, it was interesting to listen!
Make Paladins great again !
HOPE
I doubt the Cathedral of light is going to have anything to do with our Hero, if you look as some of the Murals in the Fractured Peaks the Cathedral of Light and Zakarum actively fight and kill each other. I believe the differences between the two Religious groups are as different as Arian modalists and Trinitarians (Orthodox Christianity).
I'm hoping for a gadgets focused class
Same - there’s room for one. The Demonhunter used sentry turrets and cluster arrows which are more engineer/tinkerer focused. Maybe it can be a heavy gunner-type class with a 2 handed melee spec option? Just spitballing
My dumb brain thought of a class carrying around an iPad and go pro when i read your comment.
rogue has gadgets.
....Rogue?
Meanwhile I'm blasting Crusader in D3
You can make up any excuse you want for why a paladin class STILL hasn't been introduced to D4. BUT you can use the same lore to introduce them as well. I really and honestly believe that Blizzard has been avoiding or removing any "religious" elements from their games and that is why D4 is STILL missing a Paladin or even a Cleric class. This is also the reason why D4 lacks a soul. It is an empty game. Souless.
Dude if we don’t get playable Knights Penitent before the end of VoH can we all please agree to riot? Also I’d like to see what the Angel Hadriel has been up to!
This has woke DEI written all over it. Paladin class should’ve been first priority and this is just pure laziness.
Instead we have unwashed murder vagrant 1-6. Take your pick.
Spirit born sounds lame af...
Give us every character from diablo 1,2,3, and DI
Where is the Paladin? A question I ask myself in varying situations, more and more these days.
I think a paladin-like class will get it's own expansion. Maybe next year.
Spiritborn rocks
Your Dog 🐕 is a holy class. 🤍
Haha! Finn says hello 🐻❄️
How do you look at the 3D models like that? 2:12
They were in the Season 5 reveal stream that Blizzard did a few weeks back prior to S5 PTR
You... you haven't found Carthas yet in D4? That's your paladin. THE paladin from D2. He took Sankekur's body, infected by Mephisto's hatred to someplace, I forgot where exactly, to safeguard it with other paladins.
I do have a series in the backlog planned to talk about where the specific player characters are as opposed to speaking generally about their class/order
Paladin or crusader will be next...thy need set good skill for character..want defreen skill frm other hero
I prefer a bloodknight/knight penintent ... tap in to the light side or corruption xD
@@johngohchuanheng3417 I would love the Blood Knight to be added but Blizzard is sleeping.
@@phantombigboss8429 well there r vampire knight penitent in some areas ... i would like to see some break free from the control ... i don think it will have conflict with the lore
Fun fact - the Hungarian word "akarat" means "will" in English. A cheeky name choice from Blizzard for a Buddha-like religious leader :)
That is a fun fact! Thanks for sharing
In lore paladin became defunct after the events of Diablo 2
Why no Paladin? Becasue Blizzard is dumb.
D4 (being Live Service) should make two classes per expansion.
Who knows? Maybe in the next 40usd expansion.
Blizzard remade a beautiful game with d4 off the backbone of the OG.... but their creative teams are complete garbage and cant hold up the pace. Welcome to 2024. This is the new way of the world.
He's in the "30$ for one character class DLC" prison.
I hope kormac is still alive and he’ll rise as our holy knight for d4
Paladins are no more, they were a split from Knights of Westmarch and Grand Marshall Elyas was their last leader.
The Crusader should be the holy class in the second expansion of Diablo IV.
I want to play as a demon
Baby Finn 🥰
Why no paladins? Because paladin dont live in jungle? New class is: witch doctor... Or no, new class is spiritborn. But spiritborn=witch doctor and witch doctor=spiritborn, but i dont lost time with this bad game. Its only fun for me how blizz try save D4. :)
Paladin should be in this game a paladin is made for killing demons.
We don’t have a Crusader. We don’t have a Paladin. We don’t have a Templar.
Bro we don’t even have a KNIGHT.
IN A FANTASY GAME!
Just a bunch of unwashed weirdos.
Spiritborn ... another mix other classes :/ this is just sad! stuffed with spectacular animations, it will slightly outshine the other characters, a bad idea in my opinion... I feel like everyone will be spiritborn soon :D
Yeah agreed - alot of streamers who played it recently stated it’s the most polished class. We haven’t heard much about what changes we’re going to see to the other classes come Vessel of Hatred - curious to see what they come up with
I just want the witch dr
The crusaders didn't help the paladins they literally killed most of them because they were corrupt. Go read johanna's story from when the crusader was added in RoS. Speaking of Johanna, there is a quest to go get her armor for her squire (who then becomes the new johanna) in diablo 4. That means at the very least there is still one crusader around.
I also feel like sayibh that the westmarch knights are paladins is a bit of a stretch. Even if they were, it would be a massively watered down version just like all of the Christianity branches today.
I don't know if they were the last ones, but we also came across the paladin spirits inside the tomb of Sankekur. So d2 wasnt exactly the last time we saw them either. Even more so if we take your thoughts about the knights of westmarch being paladins.
Ill have to look into the Paladin piece as I thought the order that traveled west ended up settling as knight guards in Westmarch
I made a video about Johanna in D4 here:
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I don't realy care that much of an ''holy'' class , more so i would love sword and board class. knight , warrior , royal guard .. name is irrelevant realy. but the true thorn class with some serious healing/mitigation would be cool and fresh for group play, having tank / mob controller , or trash killer but durable to tank bosses.
Yes me too! I always go sword + board in RPGs - whether that’s FFXIV, BG3, Elden Ring, Last Epoch, WoW, etc. Love the weight of attacks and especially shield-slam type abilities
Knights Penitent, they’re gritty, heavy, sword/spear and shield. A dash of light wielding thrown in, that’s the go man. Doesn’t need hammers flying around, although maybe just a few…
whats next? they add a whole new class named Guardian
Personally, I always found the paladin type classes boring in their game play and they were the least played characters in their games that I played.
On another note, the developers have already said there would be no paladin class back around the time they were announcing the original D4 character types, so the disappointment about them not being in the Vessel of Hatred is strange to me.
Obviously we all have different opinions and I am in the minority, but I'd rather them give us something new, refreshing, and interesting than rehash a class type that has already been done multiple times.
Forget the paladin/crusader, I WANT THAT DOG!
👍
very simple....this is a marketing move...They will give paladin when they feel that game is not making enough money at the market after being destroyed by POE2 ;)
1:19 thats not how you say Travincal lol
Im trash at pronunciations- ‘Archangel Lazareth’
We kill demons in diablo game
So a holy class is obviously highly wanted
I just buy the sun skin for barb and imagine a holy barbaric paladin 😂
DEI is the reason
The paladins were killed off.It's in the diablo lore
GO WOKE GO BROKE
The reason we wont get a paladin has to do probably with DEI influence. Paladin concept art was related with the christian faith. Holy shield was ispired by the crusades. Another reason might be something that they answered a few days ago. They said they wanted to do something new so they would not be limited by the guidlines of an archetype. In my oppinion this is a pr explenation and behind their decision is the fact that the new expansion at its core has the new class and they didnt want to risk making a paladin, failing to deliver and get any sort of backlash to their sales.
Answer is simple: Woke
You have basically realm: Nahantu. The ending -ntu is basically more common in African languages. You add freaking GORILLA as spirit animal. But still you create realm that resembles more mayan/aztec realm. And those civilizations lived in south america. Ding ding ding. There are no gorillas in south america.
So what you got is forced DE-I bullshit forced on Kehjistan. Cause Kehjistan was allready in lore and was more like mayan/aztec style area/jungle. But what they wanted to actually do is make DE-I woke story with new DE-I woke zone (Don't be surprised there still probably is woke) But they were forced to put it at Kehjistan due lore issues.
Yes WOKE = dead pala
I agree with your logic on that in full, but I think it’s worth mentioning I think there were probably Gorillas in the Kurast area since we had Gorilla Demons in A3 D2 despite them not existing in irl South America.
i personally hope we don't get a paladin/crusader/templar. a pure holy class at least right now just seems kinda meh... i would much rather see some new shield knight class that utilizes both holy and demonic spells/abilities. we see that angels like inarius can be a little bad, and demons like lilith can be kindaaaa good, so it would be fun to see a new shield knight class trying to keep balance with holy and demonic powers. i'm sure they can make some new religion in some part of sanctuary that this could easily fit in