It was in the first week of Diablo 3s release and had actual dialogue that mentioned the events of Diablo 2. They decided to retcon it for some reason.
Originally, the Barb in D3 was going to be the same as the Barb in D2. Which is why they have the same appearance just older with the white hair. However, they retcon it because the heroes in D3 are Nephilim and canonically the Barb in D2 could not be the Barb in D3 because until the Worldstone got destroyed, Nephilim were not able to be born. Would have been cool though.
My theory is the Viz'Jaqtaar Assassin that killed Isendra the Sorceress was none other than the Diablo 2 Assassin. I also theorized that Natalya an Assassin npc in Act 3 was the canonical version of D2 Assassin itself. In the gossip just before you defeat Mephisto in Act 3, Natalya mentions that her Order send her to the lands of the Barbarians in Mt. Arreat for a "special unknown mission". In the canonical lore the Assassin and the Druid join the other 5 heroes in order to defeat Baal.
Yeah, I also agree that Natalya is the playable assassin, canonically. The fact that you can interact with her while playing as an assassin is just something that can be ignored (kind of like how in D3, you can meet your hirelings in the campaign mode while they're already following you - they have some dialogue like, "hello fellow templar" but then just merge into a single character after the interaction is complete).
After seeing through this and some other videos on youtube, here is the fate of the D2 heroes in conclusion: Happy ending: - Cassia the Amazon - Xul the Necromancer Bad ending - Isendra the Sorceress - Carthas the Paladin Not happy or sad - Natalya the Assasin (later change to Demon Hunter) Not conclusive - Barbarian (either him or the Barb Hirelings in act V IS the D3 Barb) No info - Druid
Also the first druid was the brother of bul khatos, i forget his name. Bul khatos decided martial prowess should be their main focus while his brother decided to aline with nature was more important, so the druids came to be.
It would be interesting if the Sorceresses was killed by the Assassin, as a tragic ending to the two of them that once fight together, as tragic always surrounds the Heroes in the franchise. The developers said at some point that all the seven classes fight against Baal, however not all of them were still alive, we knew that the Sorceresses was death, now we know that the Paladin also didn't make it, I was scared about the Druid's fate. Thanks so much for this video, can't believe it was so long ago of this adventure against the evil forces.
Phil Shenk tweeted on X on Jun 29, 2021 that Natalya was meant to be the "canon" Assassin hero. Phil Shenk was the lead artist of the original Diablo II and the expansion Lord of Destruction. Obviously the plan changed between the releases of Diablo 2 and LoD, but "Natalya" was intended to be the canon Assassin hero character. Canonically, the Assassin and Druid characters did NOT join the heroes and participate in the events of Acts 1 to 4; so, there was a 1-2 year gap between the events of Act 4 and 5. The party of the original five heroes first got together to kill Andariel, pursued the Dark Wanderer and met Natalya along the way but she did not join them. The original five destroyed Mephisto, and then finally hunted down and destroyed the Dark Wanderer as the host of Diablo. Then the party split up and the original five heroes went their separate ways. More than a year later, the original five heroes reunited after Baal had invaded Mount Arreat. THEN, the Assassin (Natalya) met the five heroes again. This time she joined the heroes and Druid joined the original five heroes to defeat Baal. I think that is the canonical version of the story.
Regarding Xul: In Vessel of Hatred u can find the entrance of the necropolis. A fellow necro will tell the player that the doors are closed and that the there are many graves of the most powerfull necros and that many of them died when Malthael did his thing. Maybe a hint that xul died because of the events of RoS and is buried within the necropolis?
During the developments of Diablo 2 classic and Diablo 3, the "canon" name that Blizzard used internally for the Barbarian character was "Kronan", (obviously inspired by "Conan the Barbarian".) The male Barbarian in D2 and D3 was supposed to be the same character, which is why he was much older in D3; but Blizzard scrapped this idea before the D3 public release, (i.e., they did not confirm it was the same Barbarian in D2 and D3, but they did not deny it either.)
That will be one hell of a task. Even Diablo 4 doesn't seem to acknowledge the nephalem's existence, which is weird given that they're pretty much the most powerful being in the universe by the time of ROS ending. You'd imagine they would at least get some praise after they literally saved the world in D3, but they get no praise or even mention - nothing. Weird, right? And they must still be alive, since the nephalem age a lot slower than humans
Diablo 1 and 2 are so much better if you read the books made around them too. Read Legacy of Blood front to back with only food and sleep between. Delving into the world like this and with the theme of that book I really felt what the main character did. The lore in Diablo is really good. Sadly they lost it by Diablo 3 and it just felt a lot more predictable and generic.
Imma just gonna say it.. I think it has been said... But this guy looks like destiny but his parents love him and showered him with love and positivity.
@@loatheburger "the destruction of the worldstone caused a varying degrees of physical changes to the barbarians who were geographically and spiritually attached to it, some experienced a sudden growth of hair follicles"
D3's barb is a nephilim, who couldn't be born before the destruction of the worldstone. When they realized that, they retconned the original concept, that D3's barb is D2's barb.
I did not play D4 simply because they did not include a holy knight character. I didn't play D3 until the crusader was released. I just like the archetype of a holy warrior.
The difference between this and D1's hero's fates is stark in writing quality and intentionality. A reminder that Diablo's developer was never Blizzard, it was Blizzard North, and after they shut down and this franchise was looted by the Blizzard main offices its been all mixed bags and disappointments. What a sad tale of creative and passionate people replaced by corporate lawyers and hack writers
@@loatheburger actually it was Natalya who was the Assassin of D2. It was the reason why when the assassin talked to Natalya the conversation is different from others or to put it simply she almost doesn't talk to herself. 🙂 The reason why she left as an assassin during the events of Diablo 3 is that it was rumored that she was forced to kill her friend the wizard in Diablo 2.
@@bongbongGAMING7878 source? What I could find was just people speculating, and i thought the dialogue with natalya is the same even as an assassin. I know she turned into a Demon Hunter at some point
Unfortunately we don't know much about what happened with the D3 heroes outside of Johanna (Crusader), but I'd be happy to make a video giving more color on who they were and their background
Most agree that the Barbarian from Diablo III is the same one from II, only older, wiser and also the father of Sonya, there is speculation if not certainty that the reason Sonya journeyed to Tristram was at the behest of her father, whom now a senior of his people had to safeguard them while she must also undertake her trials, while also carrying their peoples legacy Xul is also said to on larger Journey across the realm to find more lost lore of Rathma, this fear is something that he share with the Druid, both being keepers of the balance, an in the aftermath of the destruction of the World Stone & now Sanctuary being open up to all manner of threats, they might b involved with other Mages to find a means of safeguarding the barriers, between the realms, perhaps that is what really got the Sorceress killed, this would also bring the likes of the Witch Doctor into the fold, thus marking a path for several of there orders to seek Tristram The Paladin is still on his crusade seeking out those still strong & pure in there resolve of the Light, of Zakkarum, to protect and aid those that needed, its possible he had more then once meet up with Johanna & her master as well as other followers of the Light, to share their stories and re-count what has transpired, it stands to reason that this was what set the Crusader on the path towards Tristram,
Eh, “One Game” is kinda misleading though. Regular D2 was crap. The Expansion is what D2 should’ve always been. Never forget, base Diablo titles have ALWAYS been lame.
@KingBuilder525 I've thought about this more than I should, I get that the evils are in the black soul stone, so their influences wouldn't have been as strong but that chutulu vibe of you can't really win is cool
though it isn't canon, it is fun to think that originally the Barbarian in D2 and D3 was supposed to be the same character.
It was in the first week of Diablo 3s release and had actual dialogue that mentioned the events of Diablo 2. They decided to retcon it for some reason.
It's canon for me. Lol!!!
They couldn’t fit the Turkish Hair Transplant surgery in the lore
Originally, the Barb in D3 was going to be the same as the Barb in D2. Which is why they have the same appearance just older with the white hair. However, they retcon it because the heroes in D3 are Nephilim and canonically the Barb in D2 could not be the Barb in D3 because until the Worldstone got destroyed, Nephilim were not able to be born. Would have been cool though.
I thought this was still Canon! I'm thinking they changed it because d3 introduced body types and they had no lore for a female barb.
I figured the Sorc died to a black soul trying to teleport to throne.
My theory is the Viz'Jaqtaar Assassin that killed Isendra the Sorceress was none other than the Diablo 2 Assassin.
I also theorized that Natalya an Assassin npc in Act 3 was the canonical version of D2 Assassin itself. In the gossip just before you defeat Mephisto in Act 3, Natalya mentions that her Order send her to the lands of the Barbarians in Mt. Arreat for a "special unknown mission". In the canonical lore the Assassin and the Druid join the other 5 heroes in order to defeat Baal.
Yeah, I also agree that Natalya is the playable assassin, canonically. The fact that you can interact with her while playing as an assassin is just something that can be ignored (kind of like how in D3, you can meet your hirelings in the campaign mode while they're already following you - they have some dialogue like, "hello fellow templar" but then just merge into a single character after the interaction is complete).
After seeing through this and some other videos on youtube, here is the fate of the D2 heroes in conclusion:
Happy ending:
- Cassia the Amazon
- Xul the Necromancer
Bad ending
- Isendra the Sorceress
- Carthas the Paladin
Not happy or sad
- Natalya the Assasin (later change to Demon Hunter)
Not conclusive
- Barbarian (either him or the Barb Hirelings in act V IS the D3 Barb)
No info
- Druid
Also the first druid was the brother of bul khatos, i forget his name. Bul khatos decided martial prowess should be their main focus while his brother decided to aline with nature was more important, so the druids came to be.
Yup - I cover that point in the druid section
That was Vasily also known as Fiacla Gear.
It would be interesting if the Sorceresses was killed by the Assassin, as a tragic ending to the two of them that once fight together, as tragic always surrounds the Heroes in the franchise. The developers said at some point that all the seven classes fight against Baal, however not all of them were still alive, we knew that the Sorceresses was death, now we know that the Paladin also didn't make it, I was scared about the Druid's fate.
Thanks so much for this video, can't believe it was so long ago of this adventure against the evil forces.
Phil Shenk tweeted on X on Jun 29, 2021 that Natalya was meant to be the "canon" Assassin hero. Phil Shenk was the lead artist of the original Diablo II and the expansion Lord of Destruction. Obviously the plan changed between the releases of Diablo 2 and LoD, but "Natalya" was intended to be the canon Assassin hero character.
Canonically, the Assassin and Druid characters did NOT join the heroes and participate in the events of Acts 1 to 4; so, there was a 1-2 year gap between the events of Act 4 and 5. The party of the original five heroes first got together to kill Andariel, pursued the Dark Wanderer and met Natalya along the way but she did not join them. The original five destroyed Mephisto, and then finally hunted down and destroyed the Dark Wanderer as the host of Diablo. Then the party split up and the original five heroes went their separate ways.
More than a year later, the original five heroes reunited after Baal had invaded Mount Arreat. THEN, the Assassin (Natalya) met the five heroes again. This time she joined the heroes and Druid joined the original five heroes to defeat Baal. I think that is the canonical version of the story.
Can't focus on the lore with the cuteness of that little puppy playing! ^^
Lol paladin's name is Carthas, They didn't even try.
Thought it sounded familiar
Another awesome vid. keep up the good work!!
Regarding Xul:
In Vessel of Hatred u can find the entrance of the necropolis.
A fellow necro will tell the player that the doors are closed and that the there are many graves of the most powerfull necros and that many of them died when Malthael did his thing.
Maybe a hint that xul died because of the events of RoS and is buried within the necropolis?
Great point! Thanks for the call out
Hell yea! LoatheBurger is back!
During the developments of Diablo 2 classic and Diablo 3, the "canon" name that Blizzard used internally for the Barbarian character was "Kronan", (obviously inspired by "Conan the Barbarian".) The male Barbarian in D2 and D3 was supposed to be the same character, which is why he was much older in D3; but Blizzard scrapped this idea before the D3 public release, (i.e., they did not confirm it was the same Barbarian in D2 and D3, but they did not deny it either.)
Can't wait for the D3 hero Lore video :)
you bet!
That will be one hell of a task. Even Diablo 4 doesn't seem to acknowledge the nephalem's existence, which is weird given that they're pretty much the most powerful being in the universe by the time of ROS ending. You'd imagine they would at least get some praise after they literally saved the world in D3, but they get no praise or even mention - nothing. Weird, right? And they must still be alive, since the nephalem age a lot slower than humans
Being in diablo, immortal is a fate worse than death.
Diablo 1 and 2 are so much better if you read the books made around them too. Read Legacy of Blood front to back with only food and sleep between. Delving into the world like this and with the theme of that book I really felt what the main character did.
The lore in Diablo is really good. Sadly they lost it by Diablo 3 and it just felt a lot more predictable and generic.
Good stuff. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it
Spent my time wandering around and found your videos, very interesting
Now I need Diablo III and IV’s heroes names 😅
Imma just gonna say it.. I think it has been said... But this guy looks like destiny but his parents love him and showered him with love and positivity.
Lol funny thing is Destiny looks almost exactly like my dad when he was young
@@loatheburger enjoying the content ♥️
He’s back! Thought you got sick or something
What are the meteors from the assassin when fighting lillith? At 05:17
Mosaic
The way you say Harrogath bothers me immensely.
That, and the Vizjerei clan.... *Shutters.*
Nice!
Small mistake. Baal didn't destroy the World Stone, he only corrupted it. It was Tyrael who destroyed it.
Yup good call out - I mispoke
Developers confirmed that the D3 male barbarian was supposed to be the D2 barbarian, but the idea was scraped for some reason.
They couldnt justify the hairgrowth in the lore
@@loatheburger "the destruction of the worldstone caused a varying degrees of physical changes to the barbarians who were geographically and spiritually attached to it, some experienced a sudden growth of hair follicles"
It was scrapped for narrative reasons. Having one gender of one class being keyed in to a lot more of what was actually happening wasn’t feasible.
D3's barb is a nephilim, who couldn't be born before the destruction of the worldstone. When they realized that, they retconned the original concept, that D3's barb is D2's barb.
The Assassin is Natalya, as you do no encounter Natalya if you play the Assassin
All this time i thought Diablo 2 and 3 the barb was the same........
This man’s inability to pronounce Harrogath despite it being said several times in game blows my mind.
I did not play D4 simply because they did not include a holy knight character. I didn't play D3 until the crusader was released. I just like the archetype of a holy warrior.
I want the witch doctor and crusader back !
Same! Atleast we’re getting some Witch Doctor powers back in Season 7’s theme
Anyone else think of Ghost Busters when they hear Prime Evil
The difference between this and D1's hero's fates is stark in writing quality and intentionality.
A reminder that Diablo's developer was never Blizzard, it was Blizzard North, and after they shut down and this franchise was looted by the Blizzard main offices its been all mixed bags and disappointments.
What a sad tale of creative and passionate people replaced by corporate lawyers and hack writers
11:49 "Retinue" isn't a name.
We know name of the assassin. Its Natalya she was in act 3 as an npc.
Natalya is AN assassin, not THE assassin from Diablo 2
@@loatheburger actually it was Natalya who was the Assassin of D2. It was the reason why when the assassin talked to Natalya the conversation is different from others or to put it simply she almost doesn't talk to herself. 🙂 The reason why she left as an assassin during the events of Diablo 3 is that it was rumored that she was forced to kill her friend the wizard in Diablo 2.
@loatheburger I'm sure that this is comfirmed.
@@gabrieliwanek1982 Yes it is canon that the assassin was Natalya herself. :)
@@bongbongGAMING7878 source? What I could find was just people speculating, and i thought the dialogue with natalya is the same even as an assassin. I know she turned into a Demon Hunter at some point
For a game series that says almost every name out loud, you are incredibly able to mispronounce almost all of them. That's impressive.
could u do a diablo 3 's Heroes lore?
Unfortunately we don't know much about what happened with the D3 heroes outside of Johanna (Crusader), but I'd be happy to make a video giving more color on who they were and their background
yes please i'd be cool to watch stories about the Nephalem Nazeebo, Valla, Li-ming, Johanna, Kharazim, and Sonya? as a HotS fan 😅
As far as im concerned nothing past D2 is canon since Blizzard North got shut down.
I had the ad&d module of diablo 2.
Who doesnt want a netflix series made?
What's the lore on those two great white beasts behind you, HUH?
So not all of diablo 2 character is tragic life. Not like diablo 1 that all character has tragic ending?
could leah have been a simulacre, her body was never found.
I loved d2😊
They had names already? I'll just be god damned!
Alkor my favorite brewer 😂
Most agree that the Barbarian from Diablo III is the same one from II, only older, wiser and also the father of Sonya, there is speculation if not certainty that the reason Sonya journeyed to Tristram was at the behest of her father, whom now a senior of his people had to safeguard them while she must also undertake her trials, while also carrying their peoples legacy
Xul is also said to on larger Journey across the realm to find more lost lore of Rathma, this fear is something that he share with the Druid, both being keepers of the balance, an in the aftermath of the destruction of the World Stone & now Sanctuary being open up to all manner of threats, they might b involved with other Mages to find a means of safeguarding the barriers, between the realms, perhaps that is what really got the Sorceress killed, this would also bring the likes of the Witch Doctor into the fold, thus marking a path for several of there orders to seek Tristram
The Paladin is still on his crusade seeking out those still strong & pure in there resolve of the Light, of Zakkarum, to protect and aid those that needed, its possible he had more then once meet up with Johanna & her master as well as other followers of the Light, to share their stories and re-count what has transpired, it stands to reason that this was what set the Crusader on the path towards Tristram,
You should branch out and start doing PoE Lore videos..::
They’re coming up soon
Eh, “One Game” is kinda misleading though. Regular D2 was crap. The Expansion is what D2 should’ve always been.
Never forget, base Diablo titles have ALWAYS been lame.
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Dude, what's wrong with your audio?
Am I the only one listening to this while watching his dogs sleep/play in the background? 🐶🙏🏾
boy do D3 looks bad.. as bad as it is boring to play
Holy crap, d3 looks so cartoony compared to every other Diablo. I'm glad they wchose a more realist style for d4.
I stoped watching when you started referancing lore from Diablo Immortal. Not even worth mentioning lol
Except Diablo immortal is 100% canon
Do you not have a phone?
Am I the only one who is disappointed they all had happy endings?
I am a little disappointed. The original heroes from D1 all had tragic and terrible endings. Should have been the same for the D2 heroes.
@KingBuilder525 I've thought about this more than I should, I get that the evils are in the black soul stone, so their influences wouldn't have been as strong but that chutulu vibe of you can't really win is cool