Hans and Kramnik did something INSANE
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Should've accepted the $100k training camp offer rather than clickbait and exploit their names for massive personal wealth. Stay rich, you won't become a grandmaster anyway.
PIN OF SHAME
Shame of Pin
brooooo
Pin of troll
Pin of shame he can decide his own decisions
Kramnik has claimed cheating so much that he is now the safest person to cheat against. Nobody will take him seriously anymore. world chess champion who cries wolf.
i would 100% cheat if i was ever paired vs him. I never will so there that
Hans would never cheat on him because of their love ❤️
Well, if he someone does cheat against him, and there's solid evidence (not highschool statistics), then Kramnik gains credibility, which we definitely don't want
@@moremeromebro is about to write some NSFW fan fiction
I would not only cheat but msg him before the game telling him the program ima use
I just checked vladdi's profile and he has games where he has 80/83% accuracy and then games where he has 95%. Will kramnik accuse kramnik of cheating based on this irrefutable argument that kramnik uses every day to accuse everyone of everything or does kramnik think only kramnik is allowed such discrepancies and that kramnik is off the hook because kramnik's main argument doesn't apply to kramnik ?
the onion reference?
Kramnik: I used the Kramnik to destroy the Kramnik
Even I get a 94% accuracy game every once in a while and im only 1400 blitz 😅
@@thepassenger5484 a 94% accuracy on a 20 move victory means nothing. (I don't agree with Kramnik on this accuracy conspiracy rampage but just saying that >90% accuracy on short miniature wins is not what Kramnik is talking about)
@@shuaitailai A fellow intellectual!
bro i got so scared levy accepted the 100k training camp
100k each*
Same lmao
😂
Lmaoooo 😂😂😂
Kramnik and Hans were looking for a third, Levy is a married husband. They need to stop homewrecking and just enjoy their love together
Kramnik opponent:e4
Kramnik: This is really interesting
What a move..what a move...how did he see this move ..
For me...there can be no doubts..we start the procedure.
Looks like a top engine move to me!!! 🙂
i'st clear for me, let's do the procedure ! 🤣
I mean yes of course it is cheating Tuesdays after all but okay
Darth kraminik and Hans solo the duo we never asked for 😂😂
Lol 😂
You mean hans olo?
Should have said darth Vladimir
Vadermir Kramnik♟️
@@sharun4739 dang missed it
My immediate reaction was "What now?" 😂
Me too😅
Truly a genius Kramnik move: Instead of doing a screenshot, let's take a photo of the screen with a phone
It's an old person thing
Kramnik doesn't know what a screenshot is. But Kramnik knows when you cheat, he knows when you sleep...
I do that sometimes too. I always forget what keys I need to press for a acreenshot.
@@crowbar_the_rogue windows + shift + s ( like screenshot )
@@Morpheus6910r or just hit print screen for snip n sketch screenshot for only a selected area
*Game starts*
*opponent plays E4*
Kramnik: CHEATS!!!! 100% ACCURATE
Engine says d4
If you accuse, then come with proof or at least supporting evidence. Otherwise its just slander that should be forbidden.
The sad part is he throws allegations too much nobody goes against him until someone is harmed doing this... Like he is on cultist level at this point.
@josephbryanasuncion4904 are chess accusations that deep? Did anyone acc get harmed by kramnik?
@@ryboi1337nah just a grumpy old man trying to keep his name popular lmao
@@ryboi1337It doesn’t matter how deep it is. He is a former world champion of chess and a popular figure. Spreading this type of misinformation and slander about players who have dedicated their entire life to the game is just toxic and unacceptable. It is serious because imagine someone who doesn’t actively follow chess drama sees or remembers another player as being accused of cheating by a former world chess champion. That is irreparable damage to an individual’s reputation. We have seen the effects a popular figure’s opinion can have on those lesser than them time and time again, and it’s not pretty.
Kramnik playing while tweeting, the chess and the tweets both speak lol
But then complaining that phones were used to record during the olympiad
"you know they are a cheater when you play better than them and they barely manage to hold" - kramnik, probably
will you marry me
kramnik is a perfect example of, being good at chess doesn't mean you aren't a bozo
Kramnik is a more unique case, not all chess players go around spreading misinformation, slander, and lies.
Well said
honestly what Hans was playing this morning was inexplicable, he was live in a good mood and celebrating every win
He literally got humbled , like in the most literal way you can read it, after he got humbled by hikaru it feels like he is a different person even in the interviews
Bro watches Hans
“Kramnik campaining for anti-fairplay” was a nice one!
Kramnik should write a book about "From world champion to pathetic old man"
He just coached bronze medal winners at the Olympiads 💀 how is he pathetic?
@@MrSauri1mate… if you’re only concerned about a person’s skills in a board game when they’re deranged…. You should worry, you’d listen to some psychos. Skill doesn’t mean anything.
I would buy his book.😂.
@@MrSauri1 His behavior is unfit for a sportsman, and his character is questionable after what we see him every day. Accusing people without proof is slander. Even you should be able to understand such a simple fact.
Spider man meme but they accuse each other 💀
The Kramnikian creed is this: Everyone except Speaks-For-Itself-Man cheats.
Also everyone but Kramnik is wrong. I read his interview about Ukraine, and the takeaway was everyone who said something about it are wrong, and only my opinion is the correct one.
In terms of “how can Hans work with Kramnik”, I think Hans was very real when Danya asked him in that second SCC interview: He’s not comfortable with Kramnik’s crusade, but Kramnik has also been a good friend and done a lot for him. Kramnik is still a world class coach and theoretician and has clearly been a good influence on Hans’s game - even his SCC meltdown had a FIDE performance rating of 2754 for blitz. Sometimes relationships are complicated.
I didn’t watch the interviews but it’s pretty easy to deduce the situation is probably something like this. I don’t think any high rated chess player is comfortable with Kramnik’s crusade, let alone Hans after his debacle with Magnus.
imagine playing a titled tuesday. drawing kramnik! going to sleep then waking up and seeing that kramnik has accused you of cheating. i would probably laugh tbh
well said about Kramnik! I think people need to stop associating with him for anything to actually change, eg teams, other players etc. only way to get something to change here
Yooooo big fan!!!!
Well said Eric cheese
Nieman found his chess daddy.
A megalomania-paranoia bromance. Sweet!
Guess these two have good vibrations.
Hahaha nice one
Kramnik just went insane. He should be blocked from ALL chess events and not be mentioned any longer.
But hes the most confidnet assertive chess player!! Hes the one who ended Garry reign
Kramnik shouldnt be able to play on tournaments the fact that he cant accept a defeat makes him a bad loser
@@Micru_6 In addition we have the current incident at Chess Olympics where he accused chess base India for cheating with their mobile phone cameras. There, he was COACH, NOT player...
@@TheGermanObserver i know he just lost it he cant comprehend that he doesnt play at the new level anymore but im only a 2200 i cant say anything
@@TheGermanObserver he protected his own team and have every right to do this, thanks to his coaching uzbekistan took third place in the Olympics, thanks to your comment about Kramnik, people only can become more st*pid as you are
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Same except I commented twice
FUN FACT : Vladimir Kramnik exists
and so does his love for Hans. Cheater accuser ❤ Real Cheater
@@moremeromebro go write your fan fiction somewhere else
NO F*CKING WAY!!! I had NO idea...
This is a sad fact
And what the hell is supposed to be fun about that?
I think the time taken to perform some of the key moves shouldn't be overlooked. And I think that's the smoking gun that really comes up in Kramniks head when he gets skeptical about someone's play. Of an opponent has been playing okay, and then takes 16-25 seconds to perform an obvious yet key move it cam raise
Ye, but you definitely need more than that to start publically accusing someone. Especially based on one game and possibly one move.
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Good content Levy.
It is not rocket science to refine a bot to categorize moves into buckets of easy hard and complex, filter out the deepest lines that are too computer- like, and adjust speed accordingly. Cheating is easy. Cheating a way that doesn't raise flags is a little harder, but still relatively easy.
The only way to ensure nobody is cheating is to isolate every player with no means to communicate with anyone but opponent and board.
Lacking that, the only assurance we have against cheating is each player's sportsmanship and character.
One can analyze a players moves over a number of games, but even then you will miss the sophisticated cheaters, and risk some false positives where there was no cheating.
Paranoia is a symptom of early onset dementia. I wish Kramnik the best.
If you play Kramnik he'll accuse you of having an emote code so chat can help you.
Each time I’m surprised of how much more respect I can lose towards Kramnik
Accused working with the accuser is actually crazy
I don't know why my first instinct was that they had moved into the wilderness together with the intention to return in 10 years as the best players alive.
Would be cool if from now on every single titled tuesday player activated stockfish but only against Kramnik. Only for one game a then turned it off. Imagine all players cheating, but only against Kramnik. He would go crazy af.
As fun of an idea as that sounds, it won’t ever happen and shouldn’t. They’re title players, doesn’t matter who or when they cheat, it’s still cheating and they will be banned.
Hanz and Kramz - going to PUMP YOU UP!
Kramnik has legit lost his mind. idk what Hans is doing at this point, but ... yeah. Kramnik is nuts.
Why levy looking kinda-
Freaky😳
Narrowed shoulderly? Because he needs clavicle lengthening surgery which ive told him multiple times but he ignores.
@@ChicoLLachowski 😭
Hans, as young man who is impressionable and easily influenced, should stay the fk away from that wacko and sociopath Kramnik. Hans is still has a future, and Kramnik is using him as a puppet.
Kramnik never fails to be on magnus' side and call hans out for cheating in chess 😂
You know what's insane to me? The fact that Kramnik seems to be on an anti-cheating crusade, yet he coaches HANS?
There's zero evidence he's cheated in recent years. Kramnik posting statistics of other players have absurd results compared to Hans winning TT and doing excellently in Blitz recently. He's much less suspicious than many other young talent.
@@zyto7904 I mean he hung the queen in the postgame interview, that's evidence he's cheated in recent years.
I mean Hans cheated a year or so ago
@@zyto7904 he did admit to cheating in the past though, multiple times in fact
A person with nothing to lose is more dangerous than someone who has everything to lose
Vlad is simultaneously correct and over-the-top. It has become a little boy-cried-wolf... but as Magnus agrees, he has a very strong point.
i also have a strong point, in how a lot of people are stoopid or shitty, i can't buy a g*n and start sh**ting people though
😂
Kramnik has made so many wild accusations he is now the one who actually needs to be banned - dude has lost the plot
I genuinely think FIDE should step in and say something about Kramnik. This is getting out of hand.
@@The_Lightless 100% agree
It’s funny because Hans kinda has a point when he argues the whole drama had a huge negative impact on his life and how he was really young (when he cheated, and then still rather young when the Magnus thing happened). And then he side himself with Kramnik, someone who’s made his life mission to bully people by calling them cheaters, and it makes Hans’ whole argument completely null.
Kramnik is a two face dude😅
Love how Kramnik says someone's a cheater and "that's crazy" but Magnus says Hans is a cheater with same amount of proof and you guys jock ride him.
levy added kramnik to the 'people to milk' list
To be fair name anything else as controversial as this nonsense which has happened in the chess world in the last couple of months. It's okay, I'll wait.
Kramnik is the definition of a sore loser and an insufferable winner. Even if/when he beats you, he thinks it's unbelievable that anyone is near his level.
The 2 clowns of the chess community in 1 video...
3*
After Toiletgate vs Topalov, people had much sympathy with Kramnik. Now he is much worse than Topa ever was. Mysterious and so sad.
I love that Levy has lost all sympathy for Hans and Kramnik. At some point you reach an edge and they dove over it
Shouldn't this be considered slander? I mean its very much career ruining attacks without proof...
You'd have to show he's knowingly lying but he definitely believes what he's saying. I also highly doubt there's any evidence these people's reputations are harmed since daddy Levy/hikaru say that Kramnik is le crazy
yep, now he doesn't even say "interesting" anymore, he outright says it all openly, just reminding people that Kramnik is a pretty rich person, so suing him would get you quite a bit of money.
@@zyto7904But the problem is that it is causing damage. Imagine the people who don’t follow chess actively but see Kramnik’s accusation of some particular no name titled players and they remember their reputation as a cheater. When you’re a public figure, reputation and slander means more than what meets the eye.
For the past 18 years, there are only two huge cheating scandals, one involves Kramnik being a cheater and the other - Hans.
Now that is soo f****ng ironic! 😀😀
Petition against 9 years old youtubekids's users trash talking levy in order to get a pin of shame or just because they're evil...
This is and has been harassment and defamation for a while. Could everyone who kramnik accused gather up and sue kramnik? This is wild. Also, kramnik should be banned for harassing and accusing its players repeatedly.
I ve seen Krapnick accusing Capablanca of cheating
In any other sport, he would be sanctioned for bringing the game into disrepute.
Grow a pair FIDE!
When will kramnik realise (his stupidity)
There are other factors in online chess ,you cannot only decide with statistics first ;second his statistics is also wrong
Levy needs to realize, someone like kramnik is how chess can break into the world way bigger. Hans shares this as well, controversy will always garner viewership ALWAYS. Look at NFL reffing, or sending billionaires to the titanic.
Kramnik be like : I didn’t see that move… so he’s cheating
I saw his chest base India interview and thought that may be the guy is having some problems but he will improve but after watching this man it really makes me very upset.
Vladamir never fails to attract levy
Again this two guys, they are like bonnie and clyde
are they engaged? or just in love with each other
One of the funniest things about this Niemann + Kramnik thing is that the specifics are nonsensical AND the act of trying to explain how A ---> B is impossible. I'm lovin' it.
Dude, Kramnik is crazy..
Yeah, but Gotham should not belittle him.
@@armaoskyou forgot to use your alt
Kramnik must think both Magnus and Hikaru cheated and that's why Hans was destroyed the way he was.
I think Kramnik has a serious problem with his ego and doesn’t accept defeat, like a 5 year old
At the beginning of the video, I was afraid the news was going to be that Kramnik and Hans had a falling out. I'm relieved to learn that wasn't the case.
Kramnik is so pathetic. Can't wait until he gets sued.
It makes perfect sense. Kramnick is trying to normalize cheating, and make cheating accusations treated less seriously
He was probably cheating himself in these games, and watching an engine while deciding what comments to post on twitter.
I'd unfortunately call into question any team that works with him for fair play issues
yh i agree
do you think him and hans are both cheating
its possible kramnick recruited him lol
Worst birthday present ever 😔
The Niemann KID is very interesting. A student of mine played the Makogonov (h3, Be3) and I've been seeing this set-up a lot lately. The engines love it for White. It's history is also interesting because there is the Petrosian d4-d5 which prepares Bg5, Qd2, O-O-O and there is the Benko idea of g2-g4, even with O-O. Combine the Petrosian, Benko, and Makoganov, et voilà the new White plan to destroy the KID. Engines are playing it and it works. Key for Black is queen-side play, though in the Petrosian, after d4-d5, Black is supposed to play ...a7-a5, ...Nb8-a6-c5 and you can't get offense from that. So, what can Black do?
Cheaters always think ppl are cheating
Can we quote:
“Squeeze is an understatement.”
- Levy “Gothamchess” Rozman
didn't know you can drink vodka while getting second place while beating top players
The Chess guy is talking about chess
16:45 the kramnik glazing is crazy
Hans and Vladimir: Water finds its own level.
They both make each other wet...
And the Rook sacrificed Levyyyyyyyyyyyy
Can't those accused just sue Kramnik for libel?
For that to work you'd have to prove Kramnik was knowingly lying, which would be incredibly difficult.
No. Libel has a precise definition. Kramnik tweeting schizophrenic garbage is not libel
Kramnik said in an interview with chess base India that he just gives Nieman the occasional bit of advice and saying that he is his life coach is blowing things out of proportions
Me: plays e4
Kramnik: reported!
Kramnik should have claimed he cheated to show it could be done
Kramnik is annoying. You can’t just accuse people like this.
Kramnik and Niemann are Chess' versions of Charlie Sheen and Shia LaBeouf at this point. Stars at the tops of their game who just self-imploded.
Kramnik - the boy who cried - Wolf! Wolf!!
Hard to imagine that Kramnik, who is the 14th world chess champion and the man who dethroned Kasparov, is now going on crazy rants caused by old age and ego.
Even if they are both hated on for opposite reasons, they are both hated on. That's why they are friends.
How is the knight not actually hanging in the First kramnik game at 4:46?
The rook would be left undefended
It is hanging😢 probably thats why Levy isnt a GM😅
If Rxh4, and then white plays Rxf6, then black can play Kxg7, black would get a rook for a knight, which is a better trade.
Wild that Crymnik still isn’t banned
I think he is doing this on purpose. He's not dumb. He's trying to stay relevant. Similar to Hans. They are not the "internet interesting people " type. He's chasing clout over Twitter and getting reactions for his tweets. He gets responses and gets covered by the biggest chess channels. Hans is doing the same. They are not as "likable" by the crowds over the internet. I keep seeing this trend more and more. Get clicks, get reactions, get coverage. Positive or negative it doesn't matter anymore. Even RUclips doesn't have a dislike count anymore. So in my opinion the things he does are just for clout and staying relevant in the world of chess.
In other sports, false cheating accusations like what Kramnik does leads to suspensions, or at the very minimum... fines. It is unsportsmanlike and disgraceful to the chess community
I personally think he’s just trying to make a point about what magnus did to Hans
Believe me he isn’t just look at his activity on twitter or on in interviews he isn’t being satirical or making a point he legitimately believes that they’re all cheating
I keep bumping into this idea: the purpose of lies isn't to get people to believe them, it's to destroy the truth. Accusing everyone of cheating is the perfect way to make the cheating scandal 2 years ago meaningless, because people are going to quit caring if people cheat. The only way to fight this is to quit listening to these 2.
Kramnik went from world champion to pathetic in one move by sacrificing... HIS CAREER!
Kramnik is the Kanye West of chess
"Very strange engine like reason" lmaooooo
The best part about it is, regardless of if he's right or wrong. The only thing Kramnik has done is increase the likelihood that people would cheat in general and especially the likelihood they'd cheat against him. He has done nothing but make the game worse in the way that he is handling it
Oh, it makes sense alright for Hans to team up with Kramnik. Ever seen The Chronicles of Riddick? "One pain can lessen another." Analogous to the Necromonger creed, "One drama can lessen another." Aka, with Kramnik at his side, starting the procedure left and right, Hans and his cheating past suddenly is being felt a lot less.
ymmd
1) when i saw the title of the video i was literally screaming: „omg What did they do“
2) midway i really think that we should all just stop reacting to the stupid things kramnik does. Like no Media coverage, no ranting videos- really nothing! We encourage him to have his emotional outbursts.
3) at the end i really feel sorry for hans sometimes cause i feel like he is just kramniks puppet atm.
It’s gotta be a bit at this point. If it’s not a bit, it’s just pathetic. From GM to B(owel) M(ovement)
When you're too good at shooting game that "people" call you a hacker. When you're too good at chess that former wc calls you cheater.
I used the word "people" out of respect.
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