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"Roy Harper"
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- Опубликовано: 14 авг 2024
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|| CONTENTS ||
0:00 - the irony
1:30 - respect
3:04 - lian
4:14 - original roy
6:14 - will harper
7:42 - the conclusion
8:14 - sad christmas, an obligatory music tribute
10:03 - credit and message
|| mystery song of the day ||
Sudden darkness creeps into your soul
Envy moves the light of self-control
The cave that holds you captive has no doors
Burnin' with determination to even up the score
Hearts on fire, strong desire rages deep within
Hearts on fire, fever's risin' high
The moment of truth draws near
Time will not allow you to stay still, no
Silence breaks the heart and bends the will
Defense is guilty, passions out of control
Rules and regulations have no meaning anymore
Hearts on fire, strong desire rages deep within
Hearts on fire, fever's risin' high
The moment of truth is here
Oh!
Is here
Oh, yeah!
Hearts on fire, strong desire rages deep within
Fever's risin', energizin' right up to 'til end
Hearts on fire (hearts on fire), strong desire, rages deep within (oh)
Fever's risin' (hearts on fire), energizin' right up 'til the end (oh)
Hearts on fire (hearts on fire), strong desire (hearts on fire), rages deep within
I genuinely hate how DC often treats Roy Harper rather it be cutting off his arm, killing his daughter, lasping back into drugs, making him a gun totting anti hero, and probably the worst killing him in Heroes in Crisis. DC just give this poor guy a break.
Well, in the current Green Arrow run, he kinda gets a break. His daughter is alive again and he got to hug her, for like a minute. But now he's under Waller's forced employment...
They made him a heroin addict who had gone through heavy withdrawals. He's the Spiderman of DC
wait they killed him in heros in crisis?! but I was shipping him with Donna?!
@clarisacalderon9555 of course being comics, he does come back. But doesn't change the fact that DC treats him badly.
@@tylerbertram7065 to be fair DC drops the ball with how they handle alot of characters since they keep rebooting but I get your point.
I do like how he gets depicted in DC abridged though.
Young Justice made me fall in love with the world of DCU more than I already was
The artstyle stucks and the main leaguers don’t feel like the real thing
@@therealmr.incredible3179
Nah
Literally dude I love DC so much bc of these shows
@@therealmr.incredible3179What? I think it's generic, sure, but still really good. Just be thankful it isn't the Injustice movie artstyle lol
@@therealmr.incredible3179ok, Burasa's art is everywhere because it's amazing but go off. The stuff we see of the League is very in-character, and some stuff is different because it's from a very different perspective or it's brand new, like Superman finding out he has a clone early in his career.
Gotta appreciate the writers for paying respects to fans of both Speedy/Red Arrow and Arsenal by making them both separate characters.
Hearing the voice of Alucard say "Explosive Diarrhea" is so threatening sounding.
Alucard recalling the aftermath of Trevor belmont slipping some holy water into a vampire drink.
Alucard turning into Belmont yet again. Must be the pinacle of evolution
@@sylph4252Hellsing's Alucard not Castlevania's Alucard
He's also Winston from Overwatch, Itachi Uchiha, Helios, and a lot of other characters I can't think of off the top of my head.
@helixsol7171 the funniest one to me is that he also voices Sorin Markov in MtG Arena , another super old powerful vampire.
I genuinely appreciate when writers and fans like IP treat Roy well. The death of Lian Harper is maybe the most angering thing to me in any DC comic. Both of those characters always deserve better, they’re so great. Young Justice shows why.
Personally I think the whole Artimis/Red Arrow think was the writers intentionally poking fun at a potential ship. Neither Artimis or Will express feelings for each other and they only try to get together because other people keep telling them to.
Very much so
Speaking as someone whose Dad and Aunt fell in love after a divorce, I appreciate the writers burning a little screen time on this story.
The circumstances for a Will/Artemis relationship just aren't right. First of all, Artemis and Will are "good guys" - which means they typically put others ahead of themselves. Probably to an unhealthy degree given that their costumed vigilantes.
Second, Artemis is still grieving Wally. Will may be someone she can trust to provide emotional intimacy, but any sexual relationship would only be temporary until Jade sorts herself out or Artemis was ready to start dating again. Which would require a breakup and put Artemis right back where she is now - plus the baggage of having slept with her sister's husband.
Third, Will isn't looking to replace Jade. Jade is the one staying away "and focusing on work" because she doesn't believe she'd be a good mother. And Will is respecting that because he's the guy who spent years on his own skipping meals and living in abandonned buildings while he tracked down the orginal Speedy. He understands where Jade is right now.
And while Will and Artemis can sort of fill the Jade-shaped hole in their daily lives, neither of them *want* to fill that hole because they love Jade and want to welcome her back into their lives when she's ready.
And given that Crusher Crock raised his daughters to fight each other to "toughen them up for the family business" I strongly doubt they could share a four-bedroom house, let alone Will.
Nipping all that trailer park drama in the bud by going "nope, no sparks, bad idea" was a welcome development.
You have no idea how happy I felt for Liann at the end of that episode.
Completely agree, the "chemistry" was so forced that simply couldnt not be intentional, and the way they quickly caught that they were just trying to "fill" their intimacy necessity and it wasn't going to work, it was clear the creators wanted to do a little trolling, and truth be told... I loved it XD.
It was such a cheeky moment, and surprisingly mature, things like that happen, closeness and dependence like they have can create moments like that, and sometimes people act on them... for the embarrassment of some of them.
Artemis will find the strength to accept Wally's death and find someone to live life... but it wont be Roy, and Roy is just a man trying his best to keep his love for the woman that gave him the best thing in his life, taking care of this same little treasure and keep helping other.
In a way... I can say that the even need this moment, have the little shame that comes with it, a little kick to wave away the doubts and kept going.
Truly one of the most complex and interesting character in Young Justice. Though to be fair, this show has great main characters.
I hate that they just had him get better off screen
@@wisdommanari6701That's what I hate about this show in general. A *lot* of things happen offscreen.
@@wisdommanari6701 yeah it would have been better otherwise
I'm hoping he does a Beast Boy essay soon. YJ's version of the character is something that really surprised me
He’s already done a version I believe, or maybe the RUclips channel sages rain.
@@coopervalentine21sages rain is awesome
I got issues with his Arc.. mostly cause it was looking in the mirror
@@roaches2o Yeah, seeing the cheerful character I grew up with (right down to getting Greg Cipes to reprise his role for Outsiders and Phantoms) fall into depression, insomnia, and addiction is. . . a lot to take in.
It doesn't help that I relate to Beast Boy's struggles because Phantoms premiered in the middle of the COVID-19 pandemic, and I myself developed insomnia about 6-7 months into lockdown and now have to take medication just to help me sleep.
@@NobodyC13 I fell into it al
The Red Arrow/Arsenal storyline is what made young justice a bit more complex and 'deep' for me when I was younger, loved it and was kind of let down there isn't a whole lot more of Arsenal in the later seasons. Fantastic video, love these young justice short videos you are doing, really insightful and great to see people still talking about this show!
"The mission is what the mission becomes, you know that!"
Very few lines hit harder for me than this one and I have Will to thank for it
MY FAVOURITE CHARACTER IN YOUNG JUSTICE !
The amount of good dc shows to watch is truly staggering
It’s also very poetic that clone roy inspired the original 3. Because that was the beginning of the downfall of all the lights plans.
Always thought Roy was so badass, third fav character from the original squad
Roy's arc is godamnn magnificent
My favorite part about Will was that his house became the place that people worked on being people rather than heroes. Especially when the hero stuff got suffocating for a lot of them.
If you really thing about it. He was born a hero. Not like Superboy, but literally programed to be one. The fact that he can separate the two lives best in impressive while also sad. The whole "raising soldiers" plot idea was pretty ground into the league.
It’s a shame we didn’t get more interaction between Roy and Will in season 2z
I wouldnt mind this being a permanent part of speedy's story the young justice clone thing would be cool and would always be interesting to watch in other movies and shows it would keep us guessing on whether Roy has been cloned yet the only thing that i would like more is seeing Roy become a big brother to other people within the Arrow family like Nightwing is for the bat family because although hes a clone he still holds values as well as an optimism that makes him the ideal hero for people in complicated positions and a great mentor for those trying to enter the dangerous superhero lifestyle especially without powers. Honestly this is just another character young justice actually added something amazing to and this should be evaluated in future stories. Al lso the contrast between Roy and the original Roy is awesome. P.S great job as always implicitly
Young Justice is the show that cemented my love for the dc universe, so I always love it when you make videos about it
This arc was great
Roy literally goes from the most one note stereotype character to one of the most complex and heartbreaking. His presence definitely made season 3 better.
Pleading to HBO Max to give us the next season
Did the last season end on a cliffhanger?
@@guillermobiasini3755kinda. It was left open ended with the new female furies being Big Barda, Mary Marvel, and Supergirl
i liked both roy's prespetcives alot one takes the view of optimist the other becomes a pessimistic both valid both human
MAN i stumbled on this channel whilst at worK.... amazing content man
4:00
This is so comforting, I cannot explain why
I don’t mind the Artemis / Will Harper kiss - and - no relationship scene for two reasons.
Artemis is emotionally lost for much of the season still mourning for Wally. I feel like this scene helped build the need for such drastic actions to help her move on later.
Secondly, like it or not young justice has always tried to show that the world has more type of people and families than what society deems as traditional. I think they wanted to show for anyone who assumed that by living and raising a child together will and Artemis will have to be a couple……and the answer to that is no. They’re sharing the space and workload to raising a child, but that doesn’t mean they have to be romantic. And this scene makes it clear.
Will Harper is an amazing character and a good dad
God I love Young justice but man did it not know what it wanted I have never seen a show switch the plot up that much and be so damn indecisive
Another great character video. I especially like how you brought up that no one not even the real Roy ever held the fact that he was a clone or mind controlled mole over him, at least not in a negative way using it as more of humor. People loved and respected him, and considering the swap happened during the early days of Speedy that life and relationships that he had were all his. He has a good father and mother figure in Oliver and Dina, He has two sister figures with Artemis and Cissie, Two brothers with the Og Roy and Jim, and lastly he has a great daughter. So sure he for a time lost his sense of identity and purpose but he gained so much more.
I found the development of Will really cool. What bothers me the most about Young Justice is the issue of splitting Roy into two characters. They only gave development to one of them. They took all of Roy's essence from the comics, like Jade, Lian, friends, and put it into Will, leaving Roy as an empty character. He doesn't have relationships with anyone because he was kidnapped early on. No one has emotional attachment to him. Will is more Roy than Roy himself.
OH MY GOD, I ACTUALLY WAILED IN SURPRISE AT 'ROY'S IRONIC LINE. I'VE SEEN THIS SHOW MULTIPLE TIMES BUT THAT NEVER CLICKED FOR ME. MIND FUCKING BLOWN.
Can’t wait for batman beyond content I was just thinking “he should make a video on batman beyond” then you said it.
New Implicitly Pretentious video on my borthday, no way, So lucky.
Please do video on Artemis soon, she's one of my favourite characters from the show. Plus I'm sure that shipping between her and Will was her mom trying to guilt trip her away from the SuperHero life.
A video about Roy Harper and the first word of the ad I got for this video was "Needles".
im addicted to your videos. Everything about them is perfect. I love them.
"Awww, my insurance premium"
I really liked Roy Harper red arrow story it was really awesome and badass in my opinion.
Another beautiful video.
Loved how Roy's story went. Didn't mind the brief romance with Artemis, felt pretty realistic honestly. But to me his story really concludes with the Security team episode, showing how he's found his place finally. Still one of my favorite episodes: "To the SUV!"
I will admit though, a sick part of me was dying for them to reveal that he was on Heroin in season 2, purely for how insane that plot point has always been to me. But probably for the best it was excised.
I really liked Roy, one of my favourites from the original crew, even if I didn't enjoy every moment of his storyline. Also, liked him and Jade/Cheshire.
Girls "Guys don't have emotions. He didn't even cry during the Titanic."
Guys "Tonight we will drink in remembrance to Young Justice and how it changed our lives."
(Damn Leo, that was some impressive editing!)
I'll be honest, when I watched Young Justice Outsiders, it had been so long since I'd seen the previous two seasons that I was actually so confused about which Roy was which lmao
These videos make me love Young Justice more & more
The Bowhunter episode from Outsiders, is one of my favorites, maybe only slightly behind the ones that tell the story of Vandal Savage etc. I was so excited to see what they did with that in Phantoms…aaaaand they dropped it all. Anyway, I love that the Harper Brothers are together.
me: damn i could really do with some Roy Harper content right now
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Fantastic vid man. Thanks for all your hard work 😃
To be fair real Roy even being on ice for years came out of the whole plot line better than before. I mean he now has two brothers in the form of clones of himself and one of them ran himself ragged to save him the moment he found out he was a clone. In terms of the cliche of Superheroes and Cloning plots tend go.
LET'S GOOOO!!!
Love the Young Justice videos!
My boy
I think the cloning aspect of the story comes from Jim Harper aka the Guardian and Cadmus. I would like to see something done similar in the comics although it would be a bit different in comparison since Roy was never cloned in comic continuity but it feels like it should be part of the Harper lore.
I love the Harper fam
Private Security is my favorite episode
Man, you should watch and make videos about one piece
Yeah its a freaking long show to watch and to read but to make videos about characters of any midia in the way u are doing it, man would be worth it, expecially one piece
Seus videos são sensacionais parceiro, espero que mais brasileiros estejam assistindo seu conteúdo.
How do you think Will and Jade's wedding went down? Do you think it was a 'spur of the moment in Vegas' type of thing? Got married on a ship while fighting off enemies Ala 'Pirates of the Caribbean'? Or maybe they had traditional ceremony with a hella awkward reception?
You should do young justice Arsenal
If you can and want to
🤩😯
Incredible essay!
Red arrow more like broken arrow then fix arrow
I really like what they did with him & nice vid
i was waiting for this video. thank you :)
BTW its Will Harper
Red Arrow's storyline was my favorite in Young Justice.
also guardians view on being a clone was so different i guess because he didnt get used to replace roy but pushed aside for a different purpose
I need the Batman beyond videos now!!
“They avoid all the clone clichés… I need to find who I really am…”
“IDK What I am… I need to find the real Roy…”
Funny [>
Can we just talk about how incredible Crispin’s performance was here
God i love these videos. Cant wait for Zatanna one. Curious too if a Rocket video would have enough content, like except for her S4 arc, she looks just there? Maybe a video of her will make me see im wrong? I feel a beastboy video would have a lot more
Your videos honestly make me so happy. I would watch your videos all day every day if I could, you've brought me so much happiness. So thank you.
Is me or did they write OG Roy in season 2 as though he was 18 instead of his actual physical and mental age which was 15?.........I mean he was frozen in stasis since 2008 but Ollie had only started training him in 2007(check the wiki for reference). How did he fight Luthor like that with little training, why didn't they show us freak out/have a mental break down the way one would imagine a 15year old would after hearing that he got his arm cut off, cloned and frozen for 8 years.
His reaction and decision making throughout the season, though not rational, seemed very adult and logical. And yeah, shame, Robin and Kaldur were very young when they made the team and they acted really adult but......Robin was training and going on active duty since he was 9 and Kaldur was in military school and practically responsible for everything in his life since he was a child.
From all we know, Roy trained with Ollie for a couple of months and that was that.
Arsenal's story in Season 2 makes him come across more as an adult than a 15 year old kid who got his life taken from him to me. I just want to know if I'm the only one who thinks that way🤷
Nice
If you haven't read Tom King's Human Target, I think it might be worth a look. Or his Mister Miracle. I think both stories really suit what you have going on this channel. And not enough people are making contemplative pieces about them.
Perfect timing. I have explosive diarrhea, as well.
2:52 I wouldn't say they completely skip over clone story cliches. You even bring one up.
Lore of "Roy Harper" momentum 100
"Roy" and Dick are my favorite characters of of this series.
We deserve a proper adaptation of the young justice comics
Red Arrow is a great character
I hate that speedy didn’t kill lex or rather that he backed down.
It feels gross that he just got the arm and said ok we’re cool.
The arm feel like the least important thing that happened to him.
NOW DO ARSENAL 🙏🙏
2:45 looks sussy out of context 😂
young justice was real as shit man
Damn that's alot to think on
I dont know if you have yet or not but i hope you can do a video essay on peter parker from the ultimate comics (not the latest ones the older ones when hes in his teens)
So wait. Roy harper in the main dc continuity is dead?
No the original Roy was put on ice but he’s eventually rescued
No he’s alive and kicking currently
He got better I’m pretty sure. Then he died in Heroes in Crisis again. Idk what’s going on now
It‘s…. Complicated.
@LordOfClarkness please explain. I know that in some universes he is dead but in the main story lines is he alive? Like with Jason or titans?
Hes just like winter soldier but more controversial
I saw the thumbnail and immediately went Oh No
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What's crazy is that there's another Roy Harper who was the hero guardian that is often overlooked too cuz it's just like well dang that not only did they clone Roy once And they cloned him again and made him guardian without even realizing that he was a clone which is kind of crazy cuz he took the storyline of the guardian and then mix it in with Roy Harper So technically they mix Roy Harper's stories with the Guardians
6:05 like to see that gets adapted
I'd like to see some videos on The Farman series from the 2010s
Roy really won life in the end. A hot wife, and a steady job.
Can you please do a video essay on Khalil Payne "Painkiller" from CW's Black Lightning??? One of the more interesting and well written characters in recent times in my opinion. A crime he didn't get his spinoff I think it would've been amazing.
Yay Roy!!!!!!!
Batman beyond content in 2024 🎉🤧🙌🏾
Young justice is my favorite DC animated anything.
I mean, under BTAS, of course. I mean, cmon.
i came to this
Can anyone else not get Itachi out of there heads when you hear Roy or just me
When S1 was so good and dangled so many dang good storylines you never got, it makes you wish S2 was a S3 or 4 at least. Most people I talked to basically expressed that the time skip turned them off to the show. Only made worse by S3 doing it again.
What was Cadmus feeding Jim? He's so massive!
6 months?!?!?
At least YJ Red Arrow has a good ending.