@@luphawujezile7628Lot of similarities in personality between McQueen and Wally funnily enough
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I wouldn't say amazing writting. They hinted a lot that he was still alive by some miracle, never finding his body, no traces of him. Not wanting to visit him in the afterlife.
Honestly Wally was one of, if not the most, interesting characters YJ had to offer. And his death in season 2 was genius in my opinion, a proper way to send him off (though I did wish he was still magically alive)
Greg Weisman had many opportunities to please the original YJ fans. but unfortunately judging by how the revival was going. it's probably best to keep it the way it ended rather than ruining the image of the show.
Given how the show had the best opportunity to close the book of Wally with Artemis meeting him in the afterlife but revealed it was an illusion, something tells me they planned to eventually bring him back at some point.
@@bignerd5529 That was done in accordance to how they treat spirits/ghosts in the show. If they have unfinished business like Secret did, they stick around until that's resolved, then they pass on. Wally accepted his death, so he passed on and there's no way to communicate with him. And like the video says, it means more when it comes from Artemis's idea of Wally than a literal ghost of Wally.
Wally was killed, and kept dead solely for the New 52 continuity orders. In the original comics, Wally was the fastest speedster. I lived in some weird reality for a couple years thinking Wally was the slowest due to this stupid writing before realizing I wasn’t remembering the source material properly. Wally West didn’t exist in the New 52 comics that premiered around the same time as Young Justice, and they made a mandate that going forward Wally West had to be the new biracial version in all continuities. There’s no genius to it, but filling the demands of the DC higher ups.
Say what you want about Young Justice. But the fact that YJ killed Wally West off and actually committed to keeping him dead while everyone got older and moved on is exremely gutsy for anything superhero-related. Especially in the animated series field.
It's especially shocking because they could've easily brought him back. They killed him in a way that easily set up him being sucked into the speed force and returning even faster. And then they just never did it.
To be fair, there were multiple crew statements that if the series had continued, they wanted to bring Wally back. However, it seems like they decided against it when it did get revived.
It's funny to think that the creators said that the "speed force does not exist" Since it's such an essential part of a speedster's powers, then that might just mean it hasn't been discovered yet. Wally may be the first person to experience the speed force and when he returns, he will be the fastest person alive.
The speed force is not an "essential part" of a speedster's powers. It only became a thing after Wally had became the Flash in the comics. Prior to that, it wasn't a thing that existed at all. You can very easily have speedsters without needing to have a speedforce, as it's a relatively "recent" addition in the grand scheme of things.
Weisman was corrected by higher ups in DC and hd to change their answer to "It hasn't been discovered yet". As a superhero writer for s long as they had been, they really should have known you can't kill a speedster by making them go fast and not show a body. That's always the discovery/entry of the speedforce. If Weisman really wanted Wally dead for good, we should have gotten a body/one of the tech people being able to find evidence of his residue on the snow.
@@batterupman It's become essential for years. It's established that every DC speedster is connected to the Speed Force. Though the type of connection is different. The way Wally dies was even the same in Justice League when he just vanishes into the speed force fighting Luthor/Brainiac. The way Wally kept showing up in one way or another it was clear he wasn't as dead as folks think.
Honestly seeing how Wally was in this series compared to Justice league, Teen Titans and even the Arrow verse was interesting. Seeing his journey, his weird ideals about magic and love with Artemis was great to see. It's great knowing i grew up with both Wally and Barry along with knowing their differences.
Throughout the run of Young Justice that he's in, Wally is the most social of the team, to the point he actually nudges and pushes others into social situations they would usually avoid.
Wally portrayal in this show is a big reason why this is one of my favorite animated shows, and goes to show you change change and tweak major parts of a character story while managing to keep the essence of them
They left too many teases in the show that Wally was still around out there somewhere. If we do ever get a Season 5, I think we'd see him again. Though I do not hold out too much hope that it would ever be brought back, I have been pleasantly surprised before.
@@plantcrone9662Yes, there is. The talk with Artemis being an illusion. The apparition in the Phantom Zone seemingly having a mind of its own outside of Connor's mental state. The dream sequence Beast Boy has in season 3 on the set of the show. Next time, try not to be so confident when you're wrong. There are teases.
@@aaronyayger Those aren't signs that he is still around, those are signs of how important he was to the people who are still alive. Greg Weisman has always been very big on permanent consequences ever since Gargoyles.
@@OmegaII Yeah no. Two of those instances having moments where we see Wally himself thinking outside of the person seeing him, means something. You're just wrong.
@@OmegaII So THAT'S why Conner was able to reenter his life like nothing happened, because consequences are real and permanent in the show. And there is no possible way to write coming back to life that could also have consequences (you know like a certain deception audience-reveal that is a waste of time and could've easily been replaced by a near-death coma where it can be left vague if it was just her subconscious or if it was genuine spirit connection or an attempt at closure exercise) and not reset the characters.
Everyone wants Wally to be alive or brought back. Death is a joke in DC, but somehow in YJ, it does still means something. A joke with a serious punchline. And that's because of Wally. I want Wally to come back through the Speed Force and become the fastest speedster, hang with Dick, and be the heart. But multiple writers of the show have stated over and over again, he's dead. The reason he looked like Conner in the Phantom Zone was because Connor thought he was dead, so Wally would of course look the same to Conner.
I’m all for death sticking in a show where it’s become kind of a joke. Hell I was hoping Jason Todd would never be revived in this show. BUT….Wally coming back would feel right.
They handled it very poorly. You don't kill a speedster by having them go fast and not leave a body. Everyone is going to insist he's in the future/speedforce because of how much comic book evidence we have for it. Especially after Weisman was corrected by DC higher ups and had to change the official answer from "Young Justice doesn't have the speedforce", to "It hasn't been discovered yet.".
I have to disagree, Wally coming back would undermine the character development the crew went through. Artemis is one of my favorite characters and that entire season spent developing her character would be for nothing. Especially after so many years of grief. It’s been entirely to long. Him coming would wouldn’t really do much for the story.
@@Theyadorealyssa That's part of my point, guess I only mentioned death being a joke. I want Wally to be alive, but he does/did a lot because he's staying dead.
Oh so that's why Jason is really alive and the Not Deaths of half the cast in Season 4, because death in YJ was really truly meaningful. Face it the moment they went "Nope, not dead" for all the ones in S4 they removed any meaning death might've had on the show.
I think its fair to assume wally was never meant to stay dead for the whole show. My guess is he'd come back as flash now being faster and stronger but more lost and confused to the time he's missed with his friends and family and over time find his new place. But because the shows canceled we'll never know.
Honestly, Wally's biggest flaw in this show is that he died. More specifically HOW he died. For some reason, the showrunners were committed to making and keeping Wally slow despite Wally objectively being the fastest member of the flash family. If anything, the moment in the arctic should have had Barry die, Wally take up the mantle and have his arc be overcoming the mental block of not letting him be outshine his mentor. It would have meshed perfectly well with how the rest of the show played out with Bart becoming Kid Flash, plus like half of the original team becomes a member of the Justice League, so why not Wally?
I'm still a firm believer that Wally is absolutely in the speed force, tbh. If they continue the series, they have a perfect springboard into exploring a version of his return in the comics. Like, imagine the story that could sprawl from him returning to find everyone had grown older than him, his girlfriend had moved on, two of his best friends had gotten married, etc.... It'd feel like everyone in his life had moved on without him, and I feel like there is such great story potential there which could end up in him taking up the mantle of the Flash like in the comics. Maybe we could even get a Reverse Flash/Professor Zoom/Savitar story line. Plus, I've always been a Wally fan, so it's always difficult to see him get the short end of the stick and get written out/glossed over in the many iterations, lol
I respect your belief, but my experience with Greg Weisman shows tell me different. I did enjoy that Wally was treated with the respect and dignity that he doesn't get enough of.
@@OmegaII For sure, Wally def deserves so much better in the modern comic sphere tbh. My boy doesn't deserve to be sidelined or killed off so often for Bart, the other Wally, or more Barry
@@OmegaIISo being a glorified guest star who only really exists in the season to die in the end because he was clearly the inferior breed of speedster compared to the other two is respect and dignity?
I loved this video. When Wally died, my jaw dropped. They wrote the character so well that he was willing to sacrifice himself to save everyone. I think Wally knew he was probably going to die, but he went anyway.
It has been years since I watched the first 2 seasons of YJ, and I haven't watched any of the others seasons. But, knowing Wally has is still having an effect on the friends he left behind does bring a tear to my eyes
Man, Wally's death still hits. Man was the heart of the team. Quite the sendoff he got with mindspace and hallucination in s3. Made me at peace with his passing
I’m ngl I never say this but ur channel is one in a blue moon. I love superhero’s and the way u elaborate and break them down is incredible. U have a genuine talent for this kind of stuff and I’m happy that u make these vids. Never stop and I wish you all the best
I honestly do think he is in the speed force, I'm going to need to rewatch the phantom zone scenes but im pretty sure anyone was a zone hallucination were normal animation models and anything that existed in the zone was in the weird transparent state.
The reason I'm convinced is because when Zatanna did that one seance thing she said that the stuff there was supposed to be in her head but also that they would try to convince her to stay he didn't but he also couldn't leave so that's why I think he's alive but stuck somewhere else most likely speed force
Wally is a hallucination. He's transparent because Conner remembers at that point that he's supposed to be dead, so he sees him as a fellow ghost. Plus, the Wally hallucination never acts surprised to see Conner and even magically "changes clothes" to race him.
When you think about it Wally had such a rough season 2 After being pretty happy and out of the hero game His GF “died” and went undercover He didn’t get any screen time When he finally comes back on his last day on the job probably ever he dies
You always do honor to characters and finally seeing a video about my favorite character really touched me. Thank you for your view and introspect. This video made my day!
your analysis of wally as his own living memory in artemis' illusion really was chilling especially followed by his actual dialogue. i love this show and wally so much
Too bad we KNOW it was in no way him, just Zatanna and M'gann playing a trick on Artemis, since an honest intervention would be too straight forward, and we can't have that on the show.
I feel like even after this video you could still make an entire video for the JLU wally, he's just that good of a character in all his different iterations
I think its even more fascinating to me because he was my flash in justice league first as well but even more....it makes me think of Barry...because Barry in the comics arguably had one of those deaths that stuck for quite a long time and which had a rippling affect on the people who cared about Barry...but especially Wally in the comics who struggled to run faster due to subconsciously holding back because he wanted barry to stay the fastest man alive....lowkey kind of why I thought it was ironic that Wally died to to not being able to run faster/or at least at the same speed as the other speedsters in young justice. I definitely still want Wally to still be alive somewhere in the speed force...both because its what happened to Barry(once they retconned the Skellington thing), because I read 52 and rebirth and that was where Wally was hanging out even when we just thought he was just written out/didn't exist in that universe, and no body means there is always still a chance. but I also like everyone growing due to his influence and having to move on.
Watching Young Justice as a kid and seeing my favourite character die definitely hurt hahaha. I was so happy when I was watching seasons 3 and 4 and see his impact on the other members, even after he died. I do wish he came back in some way, but I feel like that would happen towards the end of the story, which is sad considering how the show has been treated.
Artemis moved on and all his friends are 5-10 years older than him now? Wally coming out of the speedforce can have him exit at the same age, the same age as everyone else but with no life experience, or he could have been in the future the same amount of time/far shorter time and still be 20ish.
Well, I shed a tear at this. Loved Wally in YJ and JL. It was heartbreaking that he died but so outstanding how the creators of the show actually stuck to it and approached the aftermath for the other characters. I can't believe this show was once again discontinued...
At the time when i first watched the series i thought they were building up to Wally eventually returning. Now that I've dealt with loss i see what they were doing is showing that his absence was felt. Between that and the ""death" of super boy, i have a lot of respect for the writers and their ability to show the grieving process
I delayed a month to watch this video because of the weight he had for me, as my favorite character. Since S4 Connor Arc i started to think how much he impacted the plot being dead (like with Beastboy in S3) and he returning would kinda make these scenes lost their impact, then in target comics we see the list of people he impacted is huge, but i still didnt want accept he is gone for good. But this video is my acceptance, i thought he had all this impact bc of how mature he was in S2 or how mature he was needed to be in S1 perdita's episode, but no, he was the extrovert guy who brings light to everyone since episode 1, i never noted how he filled where dick and connor's lacked, he was there to help the issues of the other characters instead to have some to solve and he still fill the same role even passed out Your video brought me peace. R.I.P Wally West, you influence not only all these characters, you influenced me too, and many many fans. That was your legacy
Never thought a memory/dream/echo/hallucination character saying "Dude, we'll make it, we'll make it together!" would send me, but here we are, and it's raining on my face. Inside.
Plus being the inferior speedster in every way compared to the right genes of the Allens means he deserved to die for not being good enough to not get hit.
Wally and Artemis were my favorite characters and couple on the show. I was really sad that they killed him off. Never saw the rest of the show the same way.
YJ deaths are kinda weird, some are permanent, some are not, and there are million different ways in DC to bring back people. Part of me doesnt want him back because his death had an impact and meaning, but at the same time "if there is no body, he aint dead".
Why would the impact vanish if he returned? That time would exist, the trick played on Artemis still happened, the changes they've all gone through would still happen. By that logic Conner should've stayed dead, after all it just made BB's depression wasted time for the audience since his breaking point was all a misunderstanding.
i feel like a lot of these videos end with you telling us it was super difficult because you overthought it. im glad you care so much and i appriciate your detication to making these as good as possible. im sorry you struggle with the complexity of your own projects but im glad it means we get interesting videos and not just clipshows of comic books with psychology buzzwords
Kinda funny that by the time we leave off with the most recent season, Wally coming back would probably be more interesting than him being dead. Artemis and Nightwing especially could have super interesting arcs and maybe Ms. Martian would be forced to deal with her default solution to problems being to manipulate her friends. I really can't believe that not only did they not use the "Artemis moves on" episode to actually confirm he's dead (since at the end it's revealed they faked her conversation with Wally's spirit), but it's yet another scheme where Ms. Martian decides the solution is to lie and psychically manipulate one of her best friends *again* and there's absolutely no fall out despite her previous arcs.
Wally was "fake" because there's no way to contact ghosts who successfully passed on, which is what Wally did. That's no evidence that he was alive. I do agree that M'gann never having any consequences for her actions is annoying. I'm hoping this was supposed to come up in a later season.
@@GamerSlyRatchet1 And what proof is there that Wally is dead beyond them just saying he's dead? Like how obviously Connor was burnt to a crisp so there wasn't a body left behind, oh wait!!! Why CAN'T he be an a dimension that they don't know about so they can't check there or in a completely different universe or any possible situation where he is alive but can't get to them on his own?
To this day... I am glad they let Wally's death stick. Don't get me wrong, I love him, I was crushed with his fate... but that is why it has meaning, Wally made the sacrifice, he left the life then when the call came anyway... he answered it, and even in his last moments, when he understood what would happen... he accepted it with pride and dignity. Characters deserve to have and ending, be it by letting it go from the mission at some point or... by the ultimate sacrifice, but we as readers as viewers need to accept that ending, it isnt always satisfying or easy, but i think just bringing back those characters like every odd week, weakens their meaning. Another character i feel the same on this is Lelouch, i understand why people want him alive but his meaning was his sacrifice, I don't watched the new movie and even knowing that is just a "alternate" ending, i still think that we should have let him rest in the amazing ending he had.
In the comics, Wally West is the fastest speedster. Him dying in the show bc he was the slowest was nothing more than a DEI move before it was cool. Season 2 of Young Justice was out in 2012. The New 52 comics came out in 2011, which removed Wally entirely, until his announcement of coming back as a biracial kid in January of 2014. DC made a firm order stating that this new version of Wally was the only version to be used going forward. DC killed off Wally and kept him dead 1) because the comics at the time didn’t have him in them, and 2) because he had to be biracial going forward per the order. The best character in Young Justice was killed off to meet a quota. Hope everyone’s happy.
Underrated opinion but I don’t Wally to come back. I love him he’s one of my favorite characters. And yes it’s probably possible. But Dick, Artemis and the whole crew in general have done so much to get over him. An entire season was spent on there character development and growth surrounding his death. Him coming back would just undermind everything everyone else went through. He’s my favorite but he’s gone. He was a plot device and a lot of Wally fans need to realize that.
@@STARK0181The series had two seasons that followed up after the second one. Season 3 came out around 2019, while Season 4 came out in 2021. YJ has entered into a second hiatus until the developers decide on whether or not to go ahead with a fifth season.
If Jason Bard is capable of making Artemis truly happy, then Wally can stay gone if I may say. I still want to see Mary and Rudy, Wally's parents again. I sure hope they are ok. But if this show would have continued and everything, everything turned to shit, I would desperately want Wally to be brought back. With the way Wally died leaving "no trace" I think it's still possible for him to be alive. But again, if his family, his friends, and the love of his life are happy and ok, Wally can rest in peace. Wally West has been my favorite Flash and one of my favorite heroes since the Justice League animated series, and he was one of my favorites on Young Justice. It was hard to see him gone like that. But he died a hero and I appreciate to see everyone missing him as a testament of how much Wally was and is loved. Thank you for the video.
shit man i just love your video essays so much. Absolute GOAT. incredibly well thought out and researched. Love ya. Wally West my beloved ;-; edit: dude wtf u made me cry fuck you
im still convinced that hes not dead just because of how unclear it was, like the scarab said he is going to cease, not that he was going to die, so potentially cease to exist in their universe or something and with Zatanna she said she didnt have the power to do it, so maybe wally soul is there but equally maybe its not and number one rule in superheroes is if theres nobody dont assume they are dead for good, i think even superboy's role in s4 kinda suggests that as well, so for me the fact that its sooo unclear and the fact that the flash family are prob the most likely people to look like they died but actually survived, like in comics for barry and wally thats every tuesday and wally is a character who is known for having a fake death/ceasing to exist just rly suggests theres a good possibility he is not dead so im always guna have hope until they show us some actual definitive proof. i think writers want everyone to really feel his death, as we are seeing the characters grieve and overcome their grief and come to terms with it and the audience is doing the same alongside the characters as they have aged alongside the characters so if wally was to return it would hit that much harder, plus since the next season teased heroes in crisis which is a Wally west story, and a story that has characters talk about their mental well being, i think its even more likely that he will come back however i would respect if he didnt come back, furthermore i think bringing back wally like after only 2 seasons after his death would undermine his death a bit, i think the creators rly want to just shock the audience for when they decide to resurrect him.
I haven’t seen the latest season, but I actually always thought (and kinda still do) that Wally would eventually come back and Artemis would find out that she didn't actually get “permission” to move on from Wally’s ghost. This would then lead to friction between her, Zatana, and Miss Martian. Plus he did come back in the comics, and Red Hood has also been hinted at in the series. So I guess that would be a good chance to bring them back both at once. Or even a chance for Wally and Jason to bond since they’ve both died. I doubt it would be universally well-received but then again neither was his death.
would love to learn your editing style it just make me feel like home the fact your not at a mill is crazy man content is really diffrent from what im seeing giving me discovery but cartoon network vibe i love it man keep it up
Ima still wait for Wally to come back, have him come back after being one with the speed force or something, whatever it is just for him to be back mane Edit: I wrote this before I got to the discussion part, I’m glad I’m not alone at least
I was really hoping Wally was alive. I theorized that Wally was in the future and couldn't go back and when he did was The Flash but unfortunately that never happened... 😔
It just sucks that YJ Seaons 1-2 really are on a Batman and JL level of DC Shows and Seasons 3-4 really went away from that. Wally not returning is one of those examples imo, don’t get me wrong it’s perfectly written but, to leave it at he’s just gone in a DC Universe without him being stuck in a alternate universe, or even in Impulses future or something is just disappointing as this show went from a super hero show with complex stories and adult/teen drama to an Adult/ teen drama with some superhero characters…
So, what you are saying the show "point of view" changed with the age for the characters and target audience. It started when the character/audience were teens/children and changed when they were adult/teen-young adults
@@OmegaII No, I’m trying to say that the entire show shifted from being a Superhero Show with Adult/teen drama to an Adult/teen drama with Superheroes. I feel that seasons 1-2 stand the test of time and can be liked by any age. The show set up Wally disappearance, impulse future, Darkseid, anti life, Jason Todd, Batman Inc, a new YJ team, and yet the last two seasons are mostly focused on orientation, relationships, trauma instead of what’s set up with those being a side story woven in. I’m okay with it being focused on adults slightly with death and etc. But, it really went away from what made the show Great, Wally should be gone from the main cast but, in a DC show he should be in the speed force, or the future, or even different timeline. That’s where the show losses its Value
A guy who lives his life fast but then learns how to slowdown and appreciate the things around him, great writing
Lightning mcqueen💀
@@luphawujezile7628Lot of similarities in personality between McQueen and Wally funnily enough
I wouldn't say amazing writting.
They hinted a lot that he was still alive by some miracle, never finding his body, no traces of him. Not wanting to visit him in the afterlife.
Yep, definitely ✌🏾
Love this. That scene when dick sees Wally in a fever dream during a battle always gets me. He just misses his best friend 😢
It's such a strong dream, that through Miss Martians telepathy, the entire team experiences it at the same time
@@popeye697Always hurts to think about that
Honestly Wally was one of, if not the most, interesting characters YJ had to offer. And his death in season 2 was genius in my opinion, a proper way to send him off (though I did wish he was still magically alive)
Greg Weisman had many opportunities to please the original YJ fans. but unfortunately judging by how the revival was going. it's probably best to keep it the way it ended rather than ruining the image of the show.
Given how the show had the best opportunity to close the book of Wally with Artemis meeting him in the afterlife but revealed it was an illusion, something tells me they planned to eventually bring him back at some point.
@@bignerd5529 That was done in accordance to how they treat spirits/ghosts in the show. If they have unfinished business like Secret did, they stick around until that's resolved, then they pass on. Wally accepted his death, so he passed on and there's no way to communicate with him. And like the video says, it means more when it comes from Artemis's idea of Wally than a literal ghost of Wally.
Wally was killed, and kept dead solely for the New 52 continuity orders.
In the original comics, Wally was the fastest speedster. I lived in some weird reality for a couple years thinking Wally was the slowest due to this stupid writing before realizing I wasn’t remembering the source material properly.
Wally West didn’t exist in the New 52 comics that premiered around the same time as Young Justice, and they made a mandate that going forward Wally West had to be the new biracial version in all continuities.
There’s no genius to it, but filling the demands of the DC higher ups.
@@greatshot.productions Knew that, but I just felt like his send off made sense for the show. Don't know hos to phrase it any better
Say what you want about Young Justice. But the fact that YJ killed Wally West off and actually committed to keeping him dead while everyone got older and moved on is exremely gutsy for anything superhero-related. Especially in the animated series field.
That is why I thinking that if he came back it wouldn’t be pointless
I didn't like seasons 3 and 4, but the fact that Wally stayed dead took me off guard. Really cool to see.
It's especially shocking because they could've easily brought him back. They killed him in a way that easily set up him being sucked into the speed force and returning even faster. And then they just never did it.
@@MyCarnageExtremeIf only they had the balls to do the same thing with Jason, Connor, and all the other fake-outs.
To be fair, there were multiple crew statements that if the series had continued, they wanted to bring Wally back. However, it seems like they decided against it when it did get revived.
Wally has always been my favorite, Wally in Young Justice AND Wally in Justice League were both amazing characters.
Oh yeah, the jlu universe flash is amazing
justice league unlimited was peak of animation quality
JLU is still the greatest super hero media outside of comics we've ever gotten imho.
@@jakehero95I still say Young Justice had the chance to compete if not for corporate interference
@@5lim.0 oh absolutely, I have a lot of love for that show too same with Teen Titans. It's a shame it had such a rocky production/development process.
It's funny to think that the creators said that the "speed force does not exist" Since it's such an essential part of a speedster's powers, then that might just mean it hasn't been discovered yet. Wally may be the first person to experience the speed force and when he returns, he will be the fastest person alive.
Let the character rest.
@@haruhirogrimgar6047no, there’s no reason to. There’s no reason Wally West has to die permanently
The speed force is not an "essential part" of a speedster's powers. It only became a thing after Wally had became the Flash in the comics. Prior to that, it wasn't a thing that existed at all. You can very easily have speedsters without needing to have a speedforce, as it's a relatively "recent" addition in the grand scheme of things.
Weisman was corrected by higher ups in DC and hd to change their answer to "It hasn't been discovered yet". As a superhero writer for s long as they had been, they really should have known you can't kill a speedster by making them go fast and not show a body.
That's always the discovery/entry of the speedforce. If Weisman really wanted Wally dead for good, we should have gotten a body/one of the tech people being able to find evidence of his residue on the snow.
@@batterupman It's become essential for years. It's established that every DC speedster is connected to the Speed Force. Though the type of connection is different. The way Wally dies was even the same in Justice League when he just vanishes into the speed force fighting Luthor/Brainiac.
The way Wally kept showing up in one way or another it was clear he wasn't as dead as folks think.
Honestly seeing how Wally was in this series compared to Justice league, Teen Titans and even the Arrow verse was interesting. Seeing his journey, his weird ideals about magic and love with Artemis was great to see.
It's great knowing i grew up with both Wally and Barry along with knowing their differences.
Throughout the run of Young Justice that he's in, Wally is the most social of the team, to the point he actually nudges and pushes others into social situations they would usually avoid.
Wally portrayal in this show is a big reason why this is one of my favorite animated shows, and goes to show you change change and tweak major parts of a character story while managing to keep the essence of them
They left too many teases in the show that Wally was still around out there somewhere. If we do ever get a Season 5, I think we'd see him again. Though I do not hold out too much hope that it would ever be brought back, I have been pleasantly surprised before.
Lol, there are literally no teases that he is still around.
@@plantcrone9662Yes, there is. The talk with Artemis being an illusion. The apparition in the Phantom Zone seemingly having a mind of its own outside of Connor's mental state. The dream sequence Beast Boy has in season 3 on the set of the show. Next time, try not to be so confident when you're wrong. There are teases.
@@aaronyayger Those aren't signs that he is still around, those are signs of how important he was to the people who are still alive. Greg Weisman has always been very big on permanent consequences ever since Gargoyles.
@@OmegaII Yeah no. Two of those instances having moments where we see Wally himself thinking outside of the person seeing him, means something. You're just wrong.
@@OmegaII So THAT'S why Conner was able to reenter his life like nothing happened, because consequences are real and permanent in the show. And there is no possible way to write coming back to life that could also have consequences (you know like a certain deception audience-reveal that is a waste of time and could've easily been replaced by a near-death coma where it can be left vague if it was just her subconscious or if it was genuine spirit connection or an attempt at closure exercise) and not reset the characters.
Everyone wants Wally to be alive or brought back. Death is a joke in DC, but somehow in YJ, it does still means something. A joke with a serious punchline. And that's because of Wally.
I want Wally to come back through the Speed Force and become the fastest speedster, hang with Dick, and be the heart. But multiple writers of the show have stated over and over again, he's dead. The reason he looked like Conner in the Phantom Zone was because Connor thought he was dead, so Wally would of course look the same to Conner.
I’m all for death sticking in a show where it’s become kind of a joke. Hell I was hoping Jason Todd would never be revived in this show. BUT….Wally coming back would feel right.
They handled it very poorly. You don't kill a speedster by having them go fast and not leave a body. Everyone is going to insist he's in the future/speedforce because of how much comic book evidence we have for it. Especially after Weisman was corrected by DC higher ups and had to change the official answer from "Young Justice doesn't have the speedforce", to "It hasn't been discovered yet.".
I have to disagree, Wally coming back would undermine the character development the crew went through. Artemis is one of my favorite characters and that entire season spent developing her character would be for nothing. Especially after so many years of grief. It’s been entirely to long. Him coming would wouldn’t really do much for the story.
@@Theyadorealyssa That's part of my point, guess I only mentioned death being a joke. I want Wally to be alive, but he does/did a lot because he's staying dead.
Oh so that's why Jason is really alive and the Not Deaths of half the cast in Season 4, because death in YJ was really truly meaningful. Face it the moment they went "Nope, not dead" for all the ones in S4 they removed any meaning death might've had on the show.
Wally has to be the closest you can relate w/ Spiderman.
This series is the Reason I Became a Wally West Fan and got deeper into his comics, I Still wish he Came back RIP my Fav Flash 😭⚡️🪦
Wallys my favourite character ever not just in young justice but where ever he appears he’s always so endearing to me.
I think its fair to assume wally was never meant to stay dead for the whole show. My guess is he'd come back as flash now being faster and stronger but more lost and confused to the time he's missed with his friends and family and over time find his new place.
But because the shows canceled we'll never know.
Wally was the team's lightning rod.
Honestly, Wally's biggest flaw in this show is that he died. More specifically HOW he died. For some reason, the showrunners were committed to making and keeping Wally slow despite Wally objectively being the fastest member of the flash family. If anything, the moment in the arctic should have had Barry die, Wally take up the mantle and have his arc be overcoming the mental block of not letting him be outshine his mentor. It would have meshed perfectly well with how the rest of the show played out with Bart becoming Kid Flash, plus like half of the original team becomes a member of the Justice League, so why not Wally?
I will never. Ever. Ever Ever. Ever. Be over his loss in my life.
I'm still a firm believer that Wally is absolutely in the speed force, tbh. If they continue the series, they have a perfect springboard into exploring a version of his return in the comics. Like, imagine the story that could sprawl from him returning to find everyone had grown older than him, his girlfriend had moved on, two of his best friends had gotten married, etc.... It'd feel like everyone in his life had moved on without him, and I feel like there is such great story potential there which could end up in him taking up the mantle of the Flash like in the comics. Maybe we could even get a Reverse Flash/Professor Zoom/Savitar story line. Plus, I've always been a Wally fan, so it's always difficult to see him get the short end of the stick and get written out/glossed over in the many iterations, lol
I respect your belief, but my experience with Greg Weisman shows tell me different. I did enjoy that Wally was treated with the respect and dignity that he doesn't get enough of.
@@OmegaII For sure, Wally def deserves so much better in the modern comic sphere tbh. My boy doesn't deserve to be sidelined or killed off so often for Bart, the other Wally, or more Barry
@@OmegaIISo being a glorified guest star who only really exists in the season to die in the end because he was clearly the inferior breed of speedster compared to the other two is respect and dignity?
@@1993digifanHermano if that’s what you got from the show, then you haven’t learned a thing.
Wally West, the one character we wished he could come back.
I loved this video. When Wally died, my jaw dropped. They wrote the character so well that he was willing to sacrifice himself to save everyone. I think Wally knew he was probably going to die, but he went anyway.
It has been years since I watched the first 2 seasons of YJ, and I haven't watched any of the others seasons. But, knowing Wally has is still having an effect on the friends he left behind does bring a tear to my eyes
Its weird that he was slowest in YJ but in the main continuity hes the fastest Flash.
IIRC, he lost his speed and when he regained it(teen years), he was one of the slowest speedsters for a while.
Man, Wally's death still hits. Man was the heart of the team. Quite the sendoff he got with mindspace and hallucination in s3. Made me at peace with his passing
I’m ngl I never say this but ur channel is one in a blue moon. I love superhero’s and the way u elaborate and break them down is incredible. U have a genuine talent for this kind of stuff and I’m happy that u make these vids. Never stop and I wish you all the best
I miss Wally so fucking much, best version of Wally hands down
I honestly do think he is in the speed force, I'm going to need to rewatch the phantom zone scenes but im pretty sure anyone was a zone hallucination were normal animation models and anything that existed in the zone was in the weird transparent state.
The reason I'm convinced is because when Zatanna did that one seance thing she said that the stuff there was supposed to be in her head but also that they would try to convince her to stay he didn't but he also couldn't leave so that's why I think he's alive but stuck somewhere else most likely speed force
Wally is a hallucination. He's transparent because Conner remembers at that point that he's supposed to be dead, so he sees him as a fellow ghost. Plus, the Wally hallucination never acts surprised to see Conner and even magically "changes clothes" to race him.
Stop coping
Thank you for doing a Wally episode. He's the soul of any team. Seriously, thank you
Your essays are very entertaining, relaxing and informative. Plus, you have led me to other musical artists I now enjoy! Thank you!
When you think about it Wally had such a rough season 2
After being pretty happy and out of the hero game
His GF “died” and went undercover
He didn’t get any screen time
When he finally comes back on his last day on the job probably ever he dies
You always do honor to characters and finally seeing a video about my favorite character really touched me. Thank you for your view and introspect. This video made my day!
My boy is still alive in the Speedforce c’mon fading away while running ???
I think it was confirmed that the speed force doesn't exist in the show.
I think it was confirmed that the speed force doesn't exist in the show.
I think it was confirmed that the speed force doesn't exist in the show.
I think it was confirmed that the speed force doesn't exist in the show.
I think it was confirmed that the speed force doesn't exist in the show.
In my heart, he will someday comeback in a lightning and become who he was always supposed to be, the greatest Flash of All. And that's enough for me
your analysis of wally as his own living memory in artemis' illusion really was chilling especially followed by his actual dialogue. i love this show and wally so much
Too bad we KNOW it was in no way him, just Zatanna and M'gann playing a trick on Artemis, since an honest intervention would be too straight forward, and we can't have that on the show.
I feel like even after this video you could still make an entire video for the JLU wally, he's just that good of a character in all his different iterations
A social upbeat friend, is a blessing to have.
I think its even more fascinating to me because he was my flash in justice league first as well but even more....it makes me think of Barry...because Barry in the comics arguably had one of those deaths that stuck for quite a long time and which had a rippling affect on the people who cared about Barry...but especially Wally in the comics who struggled to run faster due to subconsciously holding back because he wanted barry to stay the fastest man alive....lowkey kind of why I thought it was ironic that Wally died to to not being able to run faster/or at least at the same speed as the other speedsters in young justice.
I definitely still want Wally to still be alive somewhere in the speed force...both because its what happened to Barry(once they retconned the Skellington thing), because I read 52 and rebirth and that was where Wally was hanging out even when we just thought he was just written out/didn't exist in that universe, and no body means there is always still a chance. but I also like everyone growing due to his influence and having to move on.
I wanted to see him and Artemis have a child so much
Watching Young Justice as a kid and seeing my favourite character die definitely hurt hahaha. I was so happy when I was watching seasons 3 and 4 and see his impact on the other members, even after he died. I do wish he came back in some way, but I feel like that would happen towards the end of the story, which is sad considering how the show has been treated.
Look, if Weisman brings back Wally or reveals he's still alive, it's going to be because he thought of something even more upsetting.
Artemis moved on and all his friends are 5-10 years older than him now? Wally coming out of the speedforce can have him exit at the same age, the same age as everyone else but with no life experience, or he could have been in the future the same amount of time/far shorter time and still be 20ish.
You did us dirty by starting off with the saddest scene 😭 great video tho
A perfect love essay to a great animated character. Miss ya Wally West ❤️⚡️
Well, I shed a tear at this. Loved Wally in YJ and JL. It was heartbreaking that he died but so outstanding how the creators of the show actually stuck to it and approached the aftermath for the other characters. I can't believe this show was once again discontinued...
Hope he's returning in s5
Is it confirmed?
At the time when i first watched the series i thought they were building up to Wally eventually returning. Now that I've dealt with loss i see what they were doing is showing that his absence was felt. Between that and the ""death" of super boy, i have a lot of respect for the writers and their ability to show the grieving process
Babe wake up, new Implicitly Pretentious video dropped
Oh god I'm gonna cry aren't I
Honestly, want to be just like Wally. He’s a role model
i didn't need to cry today man
No, Leo, please wait, I’m not ready to be broken again!
I delayed a month to watch this video because of the weight he had for me, as my favorite character. Since S4 Connor Arc i started to think how much he impacted the plot being dead (like with Beastboy in S3) and he returning would kinda make these scenes lost their impact, then in target comics we see the list of people he impacted is huge, but i still didnt want accept he is gone for good.
But this video is my acceptance, i thought he had all this impact bc of how mature he was in S2 or how mature he was needed to be in S1 perdita's episode, but no, he was the extrovert guy who brings light to everyone since episode 1, i never noted how he filled where dick and connor's lacked, he was there to help the issues of the other characters instead to have some to solve and he still fill the same role even passed out
Your video brought me peace. R.I.P Wally West, you influence not only all these characters, you influenced me too, and many many fans. That was your legacy
Always a treat to get a breakdown on Wally
Never thought a memory/dream/echo/hallucination character saying "Dude, we'll make it, we'll make it together!" would send me, but here we are, and it's raining on my face. Inside.
I love how all the flash characters are the emotional anchors of their teams
In retrospect Wally's death is the most obvious. Because he was the most regular guy, super speed not withstanding, his death hits the hardest.
Plus being the inferior speedster in every way compared to the right genes of the Allens means he deserved to die for not being good enough to not get hit.
Wally and Artemis were my favorite characters and couple on the show. I was really sad that they killed him off. Never saw the rest of the show the same way.
YJ deaths are kinda weird, some are permanent, some are not, and there are million different ways in DC to bring back people. Part of me doesnt want him back because his death had an impact and meaning, but at the same time "if there is no body, he aint dead".
Why would the impact vanish if he returned? That time would exist, the trick played on Artemis still happened, the changes they've all gone through would still happen. By that logic Conner should've stayed dead, after all it just made BB's depression wasted time for the audience since his breaking point was all a misunderstanding.
i feel like a lot of these videos end with you telling us it was super difficult because you overthought it. im glad you care so much and i appriciate your detication to making these as good as possible. im sorry you struggle with the complexity of your own projects but im glad it means we get interesting videos and not just clipshows of comic books with psychology buzzwords
How dare you make me feel all these feelings😢another amazing video dude.
I would like to see your essays on Batman: The Brave and the Bold. Just discover your channel and can't stop watching.
Kinda funny that by the time we leave off with the most recent season, Wally coming back would probably be more interesting than him being dead. Artemis and Nightwing especially could have super interesting arcs and maybe Ms. Martian would be forced to deal with her default solution to problems being to manipulate her friends.
I really can't believe that not only did they not use the "Artemis moves on" episode to actually confirm he's dead (since at the end it's revealed they faked her conversation with Wally's spirit), but it's yet another scheme where Ms. Martian decides the solution is to lie and psychically manipulate one of her best friends *again* and there's absolutely no fall out despite her previous arcs.
Wally was "fake" because there's no way to contact ghosts who successfully passed on, which is what Wally did. That's no evidence that he was alive.
I do agree that M'gann never having any consequences for her actions is annoying. I'm hoping this was supposed to come up in a later season.
@@GamerSlyRatchet1 And what proof is there that Wally is dead beyond them just saying he's dead? Like how obviously Connor was burnt to a crisp so there wasn't a body left behind, oh wait!!! Why CAN'T he be an a dimension that they don't know about so they can't check there or in a completely different universe or any possible situation where he is alive but can't get to them on his own?
Ok i'll rewatch young justice
Love your videos man
I was literally looking to see if you had a video about this today great job man
This video is such a banger that I'm crying.
I’ve been waiting for this one...
One of my favorite characters, thank you❤️🙏🏾.
This Wally West maybe the slowest version of him. But he makes up for that for his other qualities that truly made him relatable and a hero.
To this day... I am glad they let Wally's death stick.
Don't get me wrong, I love him, I was crushed with his fate... but that is why it has meaning, Wally made the sacrifice, he left the life then when the call came anyway... he answered it, and even in his last moments, when he understood what would happen... he accepted it with pride and dignity.
Characters deserve to have and ending, be it by letting it go from the mission at some point or... by the ultimate sacrifice, but we as readers as viewers need to accept that ending, it isnt always satisfying or easy, but i think just bringing back those characters like every odd week, weakens their meaning.
Another character i feel the same on this is Lelouch, i understand why people want him alive but his meaning was his sacrifice, I don't watched the new movie and even knowing that is just a "alternate" ending, i still think that we should have let him rest in the amazing ending he had.
What a perfect video
In the comics, Wally West is the fastest speedster. Him dying in the show bc he was the slowest was nothing more than a DEI move before it was cool.
Season 2 of Young Justice was out in 2012. The New 52 comics came out in 2011, which removed Wally entirely, until his announcement of coming back as a biracial kid in January of 2014. DC made a firm order stating that this new version of Wally was the only version to be used going forward.
DC killed off Wally and kept him dead 1) because the comics at the time didn’t have him in them, and 2) because he had to be biracial going forward per the order.
The best character in Young Justice was killed off to meet a quota. Hope everyone’s happy.
A beautiful Sunday morning and upload from implicitly pretentious. Today is going to be a good day
Please cover Razer and Aya! I still miss that series so much
“I’m at peace with his passing.” I’m not
Underrated opinion but I don’t Wally to come back. I love him he’s one of my favorite characters. And yes it’s probably possible. But Dick, Artemis and the whole crew in general have done so much to get over him. An entire season was spent on there character development and growth surrounding his death. Him coming back would just undermind everything everyone else went through. He’s my favorite but he’s gone. He was a plot device and a lot of Wally fans need to realize that.
Isn't YJ still cancelled?
@@STARK0181The series had two seasons that followed up after the second one. Season 3 came out around 2019, while Season 4 came out in 2021. YJ has entered into a second hiatus until the developers decide on whether or not to go ahead with a fifth season.
If Jason Bard is capable of making Artemis truly happy, then Wally can stay gone if I may say.
I still want to see Mary and Rudy, Wally's parents again. I sure hope they are ok.
But if this show would have continued and everything, everything turned to shit, I would desperately want Wally to be brought back.
With the way Wally died leaving "no trace" I think it's still possible for him to be alive.
But again, if his family, his friends, and the love of his life are happy and ok, Wally can rest in peace.
Wally West has been my favorite Flash and one of my favorite heroes since the Justice League animated series, and he was one of my favorites on Young Justice. It was hard to see him gone like that. But he died a hero and I appreciate to see everyone missing him as a testament of how much Wally was and is loved.
Thank you for the video.
They need to bring this show back
I need another season of Young Justice 😫
I want to see more of Wally in all of DC. I've been rewatching Young Justice was thinking about him and his character. One of my favorites.
Now if only they will bring back the damn show
Great, now i can't wait for a video on Artemis. Excellent video as usual though, Bro. Gave me closure.
Bro after wally died I couldn't watch the show anymore. It hurt too much ti watch a show where my favorite character is dead
shit man i just love your video essays so much. Absolute GOAT. incredibly well thought out and researched. Love ya. Wally West my beloved ;-; edit: dude wtf u made me cry fuck you
Till this day I still feel denial that he actually died. I can’t get over that he’s actually gone
im still convinced that hes not dead just because of how unclear it was, like the scarab said he is going to cease, not that he was going to die, so potentially cease to exist in their universe or something and with Zatanna she said she didnt have the power to do it, so maybe wally soul is there but equally maybe its not and number one rule in superheroes is if theres nobody dont assume they are dead for good, i think even superboy's role in s4 kinda suggests that as well, so for me the fact that its sooo unclear and the fact that the flash family are prob the most likely people to look like they died but actually survived, like in comics for barry and wally thats every tuesday and wally is a character who is known for having a fake death/ceasing to exist just rly suggests theres a good possibility he is not dead so im always guna have hope until they show us some actual definitive proof. i think writers want everyone to really feel his death, as we are seeing the characters grieve and overcome their grief and come to terms with it and the audience is doing the same alongside the characters as they have aged alongside the characters so if wally was to return it would hit that much harder, plus since the next season teased heroes in crisis which is a Wally west story, and a story that has characters talk about their mental well being, i think its even more likely that he will come back however i would respect if he didnt come back, furthermore i think bringing back wally like after only 2 seasons after his death would undermine his death a bit, i think the creators rly want to just shock the audience for when they decide to resurrect him.
He was my favorite character, he was a funny and social guy. When season 2 ending aired It was first time I was shocked and crushed by a show.
I haven’t seen the latest season, but I actually always thought (and kinda still do) that Wally would eventually come back and Artemis would find out that she didn't actually get “permission” to move on from Wally’s ghost. This would then lead to friction between her, Zatana, and Miss Martian.
Plus he did come back in the comics, and Red Hood has also been hinted at in the series. So I guess that would be a good chance to bring them back both at once. Or even a chance for Wally and Jason to bond since they’ve both died.
I doubt it would be universally well-received but then again neither was his death.
Always nice to see a new upload
would love to learn your editing style it just make me feel like home the fact your not at a mill is crazy man content is really diffrent from what im seeing giving me discovery but cartoon network vibe i love it man keep it up
Ima still wait for Wally to come back, have him come back after being one with the speed force or something, whatever it is just for him to be back mane
Edit: I wrote this before I got to the discussion part, I’m glad I’m not alone at least
Don’t like how he got killed off in this series
Seeing that he is the fastest flash in existence.
But he was the best character in this series
I was really hoping Wally was alive. I theorized that Wally was in the future and couldn't go back and when he did was The Flash but unfortunately that never happened... 😔
One of the best shows ever.
❤ the insight of the content.
Oh, THIS'LL be good.
Wally shouldn’t have died 😔
Wally not dead
@@yarc9injustice show
@@PaneraChipshe can comeback after barry Allen death in crisis on infinite earths
I kept thinking they were going to bring him back. I was so upset I never finished the nee seasons 😅
If they can’t bring him back I will f*** myself!🤬
nice
I once made peace but then I saw your video😥😥😥😥
It just sucks that YJ Seaons 1-2 really are on a Batman and JL level of DC Shows and Seasons 3-4 really went away from that. Wally not returning is one of those examples imo, don’t get me wrong it’s perfectly written but, to leave it at he’s just gone in a DC Universe without him being stuck in a alternate universe, or even in Impulses future or something is just disappointing as this show went from a super hero show with complex stories and adult/teen drama to an Adult/ teen drama with some superhero characters…
So, what you are saying the show "point of view" changed with the age for the characters and target audience. It started when the character/audience were teens/children and changed when they were adult/teen-young adults
@@OmegaII No, I’m trying to say that the entire show shifted from being a Superhero Show with Adult/teen drama to an Adult/teen drama with Superheroes. I feel that seasons 1-2 stand the test of time and can be liked by any age.
The show set up Wally disappearance, impulse future, Darkseid, anti life, Jason Todd, Batman Inc, a new YJ team, and yet the last two seasons are mostly focused on orientation, relationships, trauma instead of what’s set up with those being a side story woven in. I’m okay with it being focused on adults slightly with death and etc.
But, it really went away from what made the show Great, Wally should be gone from the main cast but, in a DC show he should be in the speed force, or the future, or even different timeline. That’s where the show losses its Value