Put that above your house and also put some A.I drones moving around your yard and if those pesky ruffians made past it,don't forget your 7 AR-15's,10 Pump action shotguns,3 bolt action rifle chambered in 300 win mag and 20 Various compact,full size and competition pistols placed everywhere.
Equipping it in a mobile platform would be key, since the biggest threat it would face would be artillery if spotted, so being able to easily pick up and move to a new location would be critical, tactical mobility is the name of the game for systems like this
@@ilo3456 Of some reason I came to think of the mobile bunkers the British had for defence of their airfields during WW2. They didn't move very fast but they where mobile.
Feel like going for a larger round with some proximity fuses that throw tungsten led in a uniformed pattern like the AHEAD ammo should be a thing. 30-40mm. More range for the bigger drones. That way it isn't TOO overkill for smaller drones but can also take out significantly bigger threats.
There’s an upcoming 338 Norma variant that is roughly the same size and weight as the 7.62 mini gun. I’d like to see that adapted to this task for on top of a tank/APC.
@@soonerfrac4611 The problem with .338 Norma is the cost, which is far higher than even .50 BMG for now. If it’s adopted in large numbers, eg for use in the various lightweight .338 MGs, then it may drop, but until then, it’s still eye wateringly expensive (up to around $5 a round). It may be worth it for helicopters though, where the combination of light weight (less than .50) and long range (longer than 7.62mm) would come in handy.
Second use is as a hillbilly mod for older APCs. Bolt one of those to the top of an old M113 and you don't have to worry about your supply column getting harassed by drones or obliterated by drone directed artillery. Not front line, but getting troops and supplies to the front line alive is just as important.
I could totally see that mod package on the battlefield. A driver, a weapon operator, and vehicle commander and packed and a M113 'battle taxi' pack to the gills with boxes and boxes of ammo.
But Poland has already solved this problem, it will be produced on the IFV Borsuk chassis as an anti-aircraft and drone special vehicle. Poland has ordered 1,400 IFVs, including 400 specialized vehicles of various configurations
@@Jager1967 But Poland has already solved this problem, it will be produced on the IFV Borsuk chassis as an anti-aircraft and drone special vehicle. Poland has ordered 1,400 IFVs, including 400 specialized vehicles of various configurations
Honestly. 50 cal is lying around EVERYWHERE. With this you can use it against valuable targets with high precision. No special ammo needed. And i think it can deal with Ground targets too.
It would suck to have 50 cal lead raining down on somebody miles down range after this shoots its the load at the drone. I think that's another reason why the US has a lot of funding in laser point defense weapons. If deployed the Polish 12.7mm Rotary Cannon or anything like it should have a restrected arc of fire.
There is the GAU-19 that is a tri barrel gatling gun. Insane rof in .50 bmg, it's just not in wide use, although I think I have seen 2 of them mounted to a AH-6 little bird, which would be absolutely terrifying.
I have used a Quad .50 cal. from WWII. We had in service to 1993. We used it as SHORAD and anti personell. It was no problems shooting down the model airplanes we train on. The sights was reflector type like in WWII Mustangs. This modern system must be a winner in the modern battelfield.
But Poland has already solved this problem, it will be produced on the IFV Borsuk chassis as an anti-aircraft and drone special vehicle. Poland has ordered 1,400 IFVs, including 400 specialized vehicles of various configurations
every video of usa shooting range with hundreds of shooter engaging a remote control aerial at hundred meter showed the poor eficiency even with a perpendicular path it take multiple pass to destroy
@@adrianjezierski8093 from all ther hundred of drone video killing and destroying in never seen any land drone it seem than a robotic turret with a smallest caliber with protect from them all near 300m range for relatively cheap and can also be used as anti infantry but it seem already rare to found camera turret in operation so maybe in the next war
This system should be put on a tracked drone, it becomes an overwatch drone for manned tanks in a mech unit, allowing tanks to focus on ground units, as long as tanks stay in its 2000 m radius (Edit) since so many tanks seem to get taken out by drone strikes, and maybe pair it somehow with those ship defense systems that fight off missiles Sorta like a mini mobile iron dome that stays within the midst of a tank battalion
Greetings . The C-UCAS vehicle is already available M-SHORAD , eventually the RWE will be able to receive telemetry by the BMS of where the drones are and attack them ( at least that is what I would investigate ) 1º ruclips.net/video/48YrVW4Qub8/видео.html 2º ruclips.net/video/jEt11rw3Qlk/видео.html
Yeah I think we'll see a lot of new vehicles with an attached drone system. I thought it'd be useful to have a small drone slaved to a tank for example. That hoveres over the tank at fixed point and gives it a 3rd person and elevated view. It'd be good for navigating tight spots and for situational aweraness. Also I like your idea about overwatch drones. I think a cool low cost idea could be a drone with a tube of stacked electricaly fired shotgun shells for drone defense.
I can see this system being valuable in a senario where it is mounted on a small armoured vehicle and used to protect mobile artillery and tank units moving up to firing positions and then pressing the advance.
Yes, and the fragments don't randomly impact into buildings kilometers behind the drone position. With the ammunition and muzzle velocity known, I can see drones with small radar reflectors (stronger echo, but the drone is smaller and farther away) just approaching close enough that the system fires it's first bursts. Which then impact around a village, to blame the sentry guns user for attacking civilians.
@@jPlanerv2 Firing 50-60 fifties a second isn't cheap either, 35mm ahead explosive is still cheaper than shooting million dollar missiles and you don't need to shoot as many. I would wager if you got the timing and trajectory right, the cloud of kinetic kill submunitions might even stand a chance at destroying a hypersonic missile.
@@joetuktyyuktuk8635 one 35mm round for Rheinmetall system costs around the same as 200 12,7mm rounds and here it is more about the size of the gun, company that created this has licence for 35mm Rheinmetall cannon and produced prototype of system similar to Rheinmetall's Skynex for polish army, but to carry 35mm cannon you need at least 6x6 military truck, this can be carried by pickup or even by tracked drone and cover light infantry or trenches, in Ukraine you can see that they are placing duble 12,7mm machine guns on pickups to protect them from drones, so I think it is worth to have both systems, 35mm more expensive system to cover bigger assets and 12,7mm smaller and cheaper system that you can have more of them and that you can use as heavy machine gun, to cover smaller units near front lines.
@@czaja995 I see your point, though they don't mention in the video how much cheaper the rotary cannon .50 cal is in the video. I would imagine the most expensive part of the system is the optics and tracking equipment... Why choose, if you can have both though.
The fact that seeing how effective sentry turrets could be for the future like those in alien against stuff like drones and such would be pretty game changing
You're spot on. Drone tech needs to be taken seriously and preparations taken to avoid drones being used against us. 12.7 mm would be highly effective and far cheaper than missiles against drones I wish the States would get something like this
@@omnianti0 You try and shoot down a small drone flying 50 to 100m above your head with a riffle. An electronic jammer gun and all that can be reused time and time again. Bullets run out fast. Especially on a battlefield where every single one counts. You only need one electronic jammer. Which is silent and wont give your position away to the enemy.
Once again awesome video brother. You know those R&D guys were instantly thinking of making that when they saw Aliens. Game over man! Game over!good stuff man keep it up.
But Poland has already solved this problem, it will be produced on the IFV Borsuk chassis as an anti-aircraft and drone special vehicle. Poland has ordered 1,400 IFVs, including 400 specialized vehicles of various configurations
It looks great. The joystick is like an old Amiga Quickshot which is a plus point. Also it seems good at shooting down drones. I am glad the Polish have time to build more weapons I don't think they will be getting invaded again.
But Poland has already solved this problem, it will be produced on the IFV Borsuk chassis as an anti-aircraft and drone special vehicle. Poland has ordered 1,400 IFVs, including 400 specialized vehicles of various configurations. This system is manual (joystick, semi-automatic and automatic)
But Poland has already solved this problem, it will be produced on the IFV Borsuk chassis as an anti-aircraft and drone special vehicle. Poland has ordered 1,400 IFVs, including 400 specialized vehicles of various configurations. This system is manual (joystick, semi-automatic and automatic)
With normal, "dumb metal" ammo, I can see a LOT of issues where the shots that miss the drone land. The sentry gun can be baited by the attacker to fire at a drone, in the direction of another target. Thus is less an issue with explosive fragmentation ammunition. Fragments don't randomly impact into buildings kilometers behind the drone position. With the ammunition and muzzle velocity known, I can see drones with small radar reflectors (stronger echo, but the drone is smaller and farther away) just approaching close enough that the system fires it's first bursts. Which then impact around a village, to blame the sentry guns user for attacking civilians.
@@heybabycometobutthead Better check your eyes, it has 4 barrels. Plus it makes no sense for Poland to use american GAU19, when they have their own rotary gun called WKLM 12.7
Also mat the scene of the sentry turrets from alien was exactly what I thought I love how they predicted those back in the day irl some countries use them but their slowly gaining traction I also love you to talk about sentry turrets
Im thinking if it can hit a drone then it could also be used as an in close air defense piece against helicopters and slow moving aircraft. Maybe even a guard on a road or intersection against unarmored or lightly armored vehicles. Also is there a way for it to recognize friendly drones when in auto sentry mode?
Considering it is manually operated and fired by the looks of it, it's up to the operator to discern targets. Having IFF systems built into drones might be the next step.
You know my job as a defense systems engineer? It’s my job to design solutions to counter these systems, and I already got my sketchbook out. We are in exciting times.
Matsimus, have you seen another Polish system called PSR-A Pilica? Poles converted and modernized the old Soviet 23mm cannons into a modern system for fighting drones and other low-flying objects.
I agree for the most part. I wonder if proximity fuses with a larger caliber will be used? Is there a Radar system that detects such a small object? Awesome Channel
WW2 showed that explosive rounds needed to be at least 20mm to pack any useful amount of even contact explosive. For an air burst I'd think 30mm at least.
IIRC, Italy produces proximity fuzes for the 40mm Bofors. The US developed the same for the DIVADS program but it was a disaster. The US also developed proximity fuzes for the 40mm grenade but I haven't seen anything beyond the prototype phase. We know that from the OICW program, you can make programmable airburst ammo as small as 20mm, and the South Koreans actually have a 20mm airburst grenade in the K11, so it can be done. I think a midrange 20mm (not the current 20x110 used in the CIWS) would be a better answer as opposed to the .50 for the airburst effect alone. Hell, the case could even share the same rim as the .50 BMG, just make it a rebated rim case; you could probably retrofit it to the M2 with just a barrel swap. Also, the M230 30mm chain gun on the Apache also has programmable airburst ammo, but it might be a bit too chunky for the mount. As well, given Raytheon's development of their 40mm Pike Mini Missile and BAE's APKWS upgrade to the Hydra 70 rockets, you could have a whole pod of guided rockets/missiles that fits in the back of a Humvee. Imagine a miniaturized version of Russia's Kashtan, Pantsir, or Tunguska CIWS system that fits on a Humvee and has compatibility or interchangeability with other weapons systems in US inventory...
Yes, Rheinmetal (spelled wrong, I know) has a system that uses 35mm airburst for drones. I think that is better than this, I think it would use enough fewer rounds that it would work out cheaper per drone.
Something bigger is for programmable ammo ZU-23-2 Pilica (ZUR-23-2SP Jodek + Piorun missle); Wonder if it is also possible to connect it to IBCS like Pilica will. Then I'd be SHORAD lowest lowest layer when 23mm is not worth it.
Hi Matsimus, I feel that this type of weapon system should be invested in, particularly as a RWS Platform which could be fully integrated onto the new generation of IFV’s, ICV’s and MRAPS, like CV90 Mk.4; KF41 Lynx & Boxer etc, to provide a potent defensive Anti-Drone Capability using upcoming new generation of smart programmable ammunition natures. Whilst I also think that this type of system should seriously be considered as an upgrade to the RWS of current and future generations of MBT’s. A 12.7mm calibre Rotary Machine Gun RWS would intern provide more of a punch against light armoured vehicles; low level helicopters and man-portable Top-Attack capable ATGM’s. Another excellent video, Cheers.👍
I'm not sure if this particular system is compact enough to be used as an RWS for vehicles. It uses the ZU-23-2 carriage (the folded wheels you see under it), so you can compare that for scale.
@@olekzajac5948Ah yes, a very good point, I didn’t manage to notice the wheels at first. So you are probably correct in thinking, it may be to sizeable for the Armoured Vehicle RWS Role, but I do feel it would make a very effective non- deck penetrating RWS Point Defence, Rapid Fire Anti-Surface weapon for mounting on Naval Vessels from OPV’s to Aircraft Carriers. A 12.7mm multi-barrel heavy machine gun that is remotely controlled, could bridge the capability gap between 20/30mm gun systems and crew-served self defence Machine Guns.
Are you familiar with oerlikon Archer or skyguard? There's several different systems that use an oerlikon 35 mm firing ahead ammunition. Ahead is relatively cheap, $35 around, and it can handle drones out the 15km. With an average burst of 25 for a slow drone, 200 for something coming fast. The rounds are air bursting and programmed at the end of the barrel. The systems are scalable. With an Archer being a single gun mounted on either a truck or a track. And the other variants including skyguard are where they Network several of the guns and radars to cover a larger areas such as and Airfield, power plant, or other critical infrastructure. If you don't know about it, you should look into it. It's interesting. They are a lot more expensive, but given the range and how few rounds they take oh, I think that would balance out pretty quick
Similar system is also developed in Poland, based around KDA 35mm (so Oerlikon gun as well) and domestic equivalent of ahead ammunition is also being made... for now only installed on small ships as main gun / CIWS hybrid, will be put of Polish frigates as dedicated CIWS, land version is developed but not purchased. but these .50 rotary is something different. It was already presented not only on static mount but also on pickup truck with integrated radar. It is still cheaper and lighter than 35mm, and ammunition is more available. With programmable munitions the problem is not so much price as availability of ammunition, there are few producers and ammunition has shorter shelf life. Gun itself and fire control is much more expensive to field and maintain. .50 cal dumb ammunition is readily available, you will not run out of that ammunition in case of conflict. And while 35mm offers better range and efficiency, for very small drones you are likely to detect them only once they are super close anyway. So it's not like using readily available ammo instead of sophisticated programmable fuses doesn't have it's merits in this application.
It's going to be really interesting to see the weapon systems and measures they use to counter the current drone threat. This is a conventional approach, but no doubt we'll see some insane ideas to bring down these tiny high speed targets. Honestly part of me just wants to see some kind of crazy naval laser or active protection system strapped to the top of an abrams.
The AbramsX was equipped with a 30 mm chain gun that emphasized accuracy of fire rather than volume of fire. It seems to me that's the way to go for anti-UAV protection. Granted, the chain gun's rounds are large enough for electronics that allows for programmable air burst, but even that might be cheaper than 60 to 120 rounds for one UAV.
WE ARE SLOWLY APPROACHING THE LIMIT OF BEING A HEAVY TANK.THERE IS A BIG CHANCE THAT THE TANKS WILL HAVE SPECIALIST COMPANIONS. SO AUTOMATIC. WITH DIFFERENT TASKS. THE TANK WILL BE LIKE A MOVING CANON OF BEFORE
I wonder if directing energy at wavelengths that the drone antennae pick up at the drone would burn the internal components, downing the drone? Such weapon would be the most economical, stealthy and effective if it works.
Directed energy weapons are much tougher to sustain specially in a country that suffers attacks on its energy infrastructure like Ukraine, but overall I feel like ballistic options are still best for low tech operability in rough frontline conditions.
Untill we have compact, high capacity power generation, mobile laser systems are not a thing we can manage atm. While I am somewhat out of the loop when it comes to it, the US mounted a laser system onto a 747 a few years back. That's about as small as we can get them to be effective anti missile and anti drone weapons.
Are you familiar with oerlikon Archer or skyguard? There's several different systems that use an oerlikon 35 mm firing ahead ammunition. Ahead is relatively cheap, $35 around, and it can handle drones out the 15km. With an average burst of 25 for a slow drone, 200 for something coming fast. The rounds are air bursting and programmed at the end of the barrel. The systems are scalable. With an Archer being a single gun mounted on either a truck or a track. And the other variants including skyguard are where they Network several of the guns and radars to cover a larger areas such as and Airfield, power plant, or other critical infrastructure. If you don't know about it, you should look into it. It's interesting. They are a lot more expensive, but given the range and how few rounds they take, i think that would balance out pretty quick
Whatever runs you use, it needs to have enough range, and a good enough ballistic coefficient to reach. You could make a minigun with 556, but you are limiting your range to 1000 M at most. 50 caliber ball works out to be something between two and $3 around oh, you don't need any kind of incendiary or explosive. 416, or 338, or other rounds that arguably have a better long-range performance than 50 caliber all quite a lot more expensive than 50. So yeah, it's Overkill, but what if what is coming in is a cruise missile that's larger and need something to hit it harder, and you want to make sure that you kill it as quickly as possible so it doesn't detonate over your head.
Allow me to add some context here. Polish army has not purchased this platform. It is a technology demonstrator from Zakłady Mechaniczne Tarnów aka ZMT which is part of the larger PGZ Group. The I see comments here about how it's overkill and electronic counter measures are better. The system combines direct fire and electronic counter measures suite from a Polish company - APS (Active Protection Systems). The APS system has been sold to both commercial and defense customers globally. The APS system is also selected by UK based MSI Defence Systems’ Terrahawk Paladin deployable drone killer, which is being sent to Ukraine. Polish defense analysts have mentioned that electronic anti drone systems works but if a system like Lancet locks onto a target, it guides itself in the terminal phase. Once locked on the electronic jamming system won't stop the drone from hitting the target and that's where the direct attack - lead downrange comes in. Another lesson that's being taken out of Ukraine is cost and quantity. 30mm / 35mm rounds are highly effective but economics win wars and cheap 12.7mm ammunition is easier to manufacture.
.50 cal is not overkill. Not all drones are little flying boxes with 4 rotors from amazon. And anything smaller won't be as effective as a .50 cal paired with explosive ammo like Mk 211 Mod 0 Raufoss.
I definitely see a purpose for it, 50 cal makes a lot of sense, I have to wonder if there would be space for a smaller scale version optimized for lower cost. Something shooting a high velocity bullet with a great ballistic coefficient generally optimized to be on the cheaper side of things seems like it would be pretty handy. Obviously logistics for something like that would kind of suck, I'm just sure there has to be a better way about it.
There’s a 338 Norma version out now. Same size as a 7.62 and oils fit on platforms much better. This 50cal would require a stand alone system most likely.
Honestly for SHORAD against drones .50 BMG isn't the worst. The M2HB was used for many years as an air-defense weapon on ground vehicles and I think it still technically is retained on tanks and APCs for that purpose, in addition to being equally threatening to ground threats like enemy APCs, even some IFVs with newer AP rounds (though these are less ideal for SHORAD against drones, in that use case such ammo being expensive and simultaneously ineffective and overkill if they hit). It retains effectiveness against larger threats like Helos as well. For something more compact, imagine if you took the electronics for fire-control, tracking and radar for a smaller version, and made it into a modular setup to accept existing belt-fed weaponry for the gun. Now imagine taking M134s and just adapting them into this system; you could have a module that could be put bolted on or properly integrated in to quite a few things, that uses the fairly common 7.62x51 NATO round, and would shred both drone threats and soft ground threats through weight of fire. Lots of 7.62 is nothing even to the lightest of vehicles (Imagine diet VADS).
@@barrag3463 I agree, I think in my head I'm still sort of struggling to compute. What type of drones exactly are a threat at this time. So I'm struggling to accurately assess what is actually required y'know?
Ok, so the aussies just gave Ukraine drones made of cardboard and rubber bands to use as recon drones - not kidding. The drones that took the pics of the 4km Russian tank convoy back in the beginning was a toy that had a camera rig and a drop arm for small ordinance, and to add more insult to injury, Iranian drones use two cycle moped motors. When it comes to attacks by drones outside of Ukraine, the Venesuallian president was almost assassinated by one, and there have been reports of drone use by cartels to drop illegal materials / contraband into prisons. So the tech is relevant, but the response to it by shooting at is is kinda dumb, there is a far better, easier, cheaper, and more insidious way
In my opinion smaller system is needed weight around 25kg effective range up to 500m, detection range 1,5Km with this every vehicle can have protection against drones and loitering ammo.
Finally, my Dune 2 (RTS) dream come true gun turret that fires on anything that fails IFF. That brings me to the point that I need to go and search if anyone is already working on IFF for small drones.
I’d really like to see maybe a version with a 25mm cannon firing airburts munitions instead that way you don’t have to worry about scoring direct hits. It’d act much like a shotgun shooting at clay pigeons
How do you know that this machine wich has a computer inside is “worrying” about direct hits the machine doesnt care. The point is that 12.7 is much cheaper then 25mm, if they both do the job equally why use the expensive option
@@opsidion1461 a single 25mm with its airburst shell is potentially more cheaper than a volley of .50 cal. YEs, computer does the aiming much like the Phalanx CIWS includin calculating from various factors like wind direction. But a. 50 cal CuAS would have to shoot much more ammo to hit. OTOH, I find it pretty handy to deter enemy helicopters though. Since they are big enough anyway.
Ther is a 25mm version of the oerlikon ahead which Mantis, Syknex and Skyranger use. Many Ifv's use this. Its basicly what youe asked for. However i have no idea on how the economics play out for an engaged target
This literally looks like a warship gun. Well let's hope we will have another tool we could be proud of. Grot is doing well, drones, also Krab, (even though it's not entirely built up of a made-in-Poland only parts)
The problem with all these systems is that they are all easily destroyed by artillery, once they have been localized. And localizing them will be fairly easy. I think the EW guns that er employed will become more refined.
I prefer the Gepard or land-based CIWS. The rounds explode to smaller fragments, minimizing the chance of collateral damage. These rounds fly a long ways and there are a lot of them. Maybe in a ground support role?
Hi Mat, reminds me of a self loading shotgun. Used it and watched the jungle step back on each blast. HMG WC stocks only, sign for it son! Cheers mate. Harera
I've been waiting for a tool just like this wondering why something like a gatling cannon or radar guided 90mm flak can't be used to snipe drones out of the sky
But Poland has already solved this problem, it will be produced on the IFV Borsuk chassis as an anti-aircraft and drone special vehicle. Poland has ordered 1,400 IFVs, including 400 specialized vehicles of various configurations
At the risk of sounding like an ignoramus, this system is pretty viable and more useful than wasting a Stinger on a drone. And, y'know, the inherent cool factor of having a rotary machine gun being set up as a sentry gun.
It's a good radar. Truth is chambered in .338 Lapua or even .308 it would still take out smaller drones and have the benefit of being lighter and carrying more ammo.
It would be interesting to see its capability to shoot at high angle of fire. Quad copter type drones usually attain the position at the top of the target and release its payload. To counter that, high angle of fire capability is a must.
this system has 180 degrees of fire in a vertical position in the video this was not shown because this test was about the possibility of losing and targeting small drones
Seems like a really good idea. Ukraine is mounting hundreds of 12.7mm MGs on trucks to use as mobile anti-drone systems. Something like this would probably work well. It could probably be fitted to a light armor system as well to be mobile. I wonder what else it could engage with a little software and hardware upgrade, artillery rounds maybe?
But Poland has already solved this problem, it will be produced on the IFV Borsuk chassis as an anti-aircraft and drone special vehicle. Poland has ordered 1,400 IFVs, including 400 specialized vehicles of various configurations. This system is manual (joystick, semi-automatic and automatic)
The thing with drones is they can come from any direction. If they are in the general direction of your enemy, then shooting at them is fine. If however they are straight up, or in the general direction of other friendly troops or in a city with civilians, then how do you control where the bullets that miss will land? You can't, hence the jamming and other soft kill solutions.
Depends on where on the battlefield it is deployed. If it is far forward, withing the range of enemy artillery or precision guided weapons, it will have to "shoot and scoot" to prevent it from being taken out by counter battery or anti-flak programs and weapons. Just setting it up and leaving it in static positions is just an invitation to only have it available for a short period. Further back it will not have that problem but it will have to be mobile to be able to protect assets that move like supply columns or trains. It may have a static role in protecting fixed assets like power palnts, bridges, etc.. With an effective radius of 4 km (2.4 miles) it will take a lot of them to protect a large area. Also, to prevent being swarmed by lots of drones it needs to have a fast target acquision system that can detect a target, fire a shor burst with high accuracy, and move on to another target before any drones can cross the 2 km to the weapon and take it out. MUltiple systems may overlap their zones of fire so that they can protect each other.
This is basically an alternative to modern light 30mm autocannons like the Nexter ARX 30. I love those weapons because with modern programmable ammo they have a riddicolous amount of flexibility and accomplish a fire mission with 1-3 rounds. Want to shoot down a drone? Done. Want to destroy a room? Done. Want to destroy a wall to allow your soldiers to enter? Done. Want to kill an enemy behind a trench/hill? Done. Do you need to destroy a light armored vheicle? Done. The problem is that those programmable rounds are expensive and hard to find. This is a solution that allows you to engage drones, infantry and lightly armored vheicles but it sacrifices all the airburst abilities and consumes more (way cheaper) ammo for the mission. It's a nice option to have.
don't know about drones but this is perfect for home defense
If I had the money....
I ordered one :)
Does it take Glock mags though?
Put that above your house and also put some A.I drones moving around your yard and if those pesky ruffians made past it,don't forget your 7 AR-15's,10 Pump action shotguns,3 bolt action rifle chambered in 300 win mag and 20 Various compact,full size and competition pistols placed everywhere.
Also a great concealed carry
Depends on how much ammo it carries. But put it in a semi static position, hooked to a ludacris amount of ammo, and then let it eat.
Equipping it in a mobile platform would be key, since the biggest threat it would face would be artillery if spotted, so being able to easily pick up and move to a new location would be critical, tactical mobility is the name of the game for systems like this
@@ilo3456 so mount it on a tractor trailer. On the roof of the cab. Fill the whole trailer with ammo.
@@ilo3456 Of some reason I came to think of the mobile bunkers the British had for defence of their airfields during WW2. They didn't move very fast but they where mobile.
Feel like going for a larger round with some proximity fuses that throw tungsten led in a uniformed pattern like the AHEAD ammo should be a thing. 30-40mm.
More range for the bigger drones.
That way it isn't TOO overkill for smaller drones but can also take out significantly bigger threats.
with 1000 ammo
you can kill 250 drones with 4 bullet bursts
they dont dodge at all if the hit came from 500mt :))))
Good idea, I think we're going to see a lot of older weapons making a comeback to combat drones.
I thought about IFV autocanon turrets from wrecked models, taken off, mounted on a trailer and hooked up to a similar tracking system as the vid.
There’s an upcoming 338 Norma variant that is roughly the same size and weight as the 7.62 mini gun. I’d like to see that adapted to this task for on top of a tank/APC.
Flak is back baby
@@soonerfrac4611 The problem with .338 Norma is the cost, which is far higher than even .50 BMG for now. If it’s adopted in large numbers, eg for use in the various lightweight .338 MGs, then it may drop, but until then, it’s still eye wateringly expensive (up to around $5 a round). It may be worth it for helicopters though, where the combination of light weight (less than .50) and long range (longer than 7.62mm) would come in handy.
Yes like AWE AA guns.
Second use is as a hillbilly mod for older APCs. Bolt one of those to the top of an old M113 and you don't have to worry about your supply column getting harassed by drones or obliterated by drone directed artillery. Not front line, but getting troops and supplies to the front line alive is just as important.
I could totally see that mod package on the battlefield. A driver, a weapon operator, and vehicle commander and packed and a M113 'battle taxi' pack to the gills with boxes and boxes of ammo.
But Poland has already solved this problem, it will be produced on the IFV Borsuk chassis as an anti-aircraft and drone special vehicle. Poland has ordered 1,400 IFVs, including 400 specialized vehicles of various configurations
@@Jager1967
But Poland has already solved this problem, it will be produced on the IFV Borsuk chassis as an anti-aircraft and drone special vehicle. Poland has ordered 1,400 IFVs, including 400 specialized vehicles of various configurations
you mean this system is able to discriminate a rpg in a forest road side?
Have a look at the M163 Vulcan Air Defense System (VADS)
Close to what you described
For years I speculated and wondered about a 50 cal Gatling air defense gun . Now it's coming true .
Honestly. 50 cal is lying around EVERYWHERE. With this you can use it against valuable targets with high precision. No special ammo needed. And i think it can deal with Ground targets too.
There is a soviet 12,7mm gatling gun that is on mi-24
It would suck to have 50 cal lead raining down on somebody miles down range after this shoots its the load at the drone. I think that's another reason why the US has a lot of funding in laser point defense weapons. If deployed the Polish 12.7mm Rotary Cannon or anything like it should have a restrected arc of fire.
The U.S. uses 20mm
There is the GAU-19 that is a tri barrel gatling gun. Insane rof in .50 bmg, it's just not in wide use, although I think I have seen 2 of them mounted to a AH-6 little bird, which would be absolutely terrifying.
Kudos on the Aliens reference. Cut from the theater this a favorite scene for alien fans and back in the 80’s showed what drones could do
- My top-10 fav movie too.
I have used a Quad .50 cal. from WWII. We had in service to 1993. We used it as SHORAD and anti personell. It was no problems shooting down the model airplanes we train on. The sights was reflector type like in WWII Mustangs. This modern system must be a winner in the modern battelfield.
But Poland has already solved this problem, it will be produced on the IFV Borsuk chassis as an anti-aircraft and drone special vehicle. Poland has ordered 1,400 IFVs, including 400 specialized vehicles of various configurations
every video of usa shooting range with hundreds of shooter engaging a remote control aerial at hundred meter showed the poor eficiency even with a perpendicular path it take multiple pass to destroy
@@bogumibrzezinski8212 ordering and making, then doing training, having enough trained personel to service it etc. is another thing
I also think a normal crewed vehicle would be the best to field it though, land drones seem to not be that effective
@@adrianjezierski8093 from all ther hundred of drone video killing and destroying in never seen any land drone
it seem than a robotic turret with a smallest caliber with protect from them all near 300m range for relatively cheap and can also be used as anti infantry
but it seem already rare to found camera turret in operation so maybe in the next war
Sentry going up.
This system should be put on a tracked drone, it becomes an overwatch drone for manned tanks in a mech unit, allowing tanks to focus on ground units, as long as tanks stay in its 2000 m radius
(Edit) since so many tanks seem to get taken out by drone strikes, and maybe pair it somehow with those ship defense systems that fight off missiles
Sorta like a mini mobile iron dome that stays within the midst of a tank battalion
Greetings . The C-UCAS vehicle is already available M-SHORAD , eventually the RWE will be able to receive telemetry by the BMS of where the drones are and attack them ( at least that is what I would investigate )
1º ruclips.net/video/48YrVW4Qub8/видео.html
2º ruclips.net/video/jEt11rw3Qlk/видео.html
Basically CIWS for tank
Yeah I think we'll see a lot of new vehicles with an attached drone system. I thought it'd be useful to have a small drone slaved to a tank for example. That hoveres over the tank at fixed point and gives it a 3rd person and elevated view. It'd be good for navigating tight spots and for situational aweraness. Also I like your idea about overwatch drones. I think a cool low cost idea could be a drone with a tube of stacked electricaly fired shotgun shells for drone defense.
@@JoeL-ji7uw And then that drone gains sentience and rebels against its master.
Mate this with domestically built Wiesel AWCs interconnected with a TDL and pair them a tank or company of infantry *chef’s kiss*
Love the Aliens reference 🤘🤘🤘👌one of my favorite movies ever...
Good ole lead down range fixes a lot of modern problems! This system is neat AF!
I can see this system being valuable in a senario where it is mounted on a small armoured vehicle and used to protect mobile artillery and tank units moving up to firing positions and then pressing the advance.
I like Rheinmetall's Skyranger snd Skynex systems, the programable explosive ammo is quite impressive.
Yes, and the fragments don't randomly impact into buildings kilometers behind the drone position.
With the ammunition and muzzle velocity known, I can see drones with small radar reflectors (stronger echo, but the drone is smaller and farther away) just approaching close enough that the system fires it's first bursts. Which then impact around a village, to blame the sentry guns user for attacking civilians.
Yeah but using rounds that expensive to take out quadrocopter is huge overkill
@@jPlanerv2 Firing 50-60 fifties a second isn't cheap either, 35mm ahead explosive is still cheaper than shooting million dollar missiles and you don't need to shoot as many. I would wager if you got the timing and trajectory right, the cloud of kinetic kill submunitions might even stand a chance at destroying a hypersonic missile.
@@joetuktyyuktuk8635 one 35mm round for Rheinmetall system costs around the same as 200 12,7mm rounds and here it is more about the size of the gun, company that created this has licence for 35mm Rheinmetall cannon and produced prototype of system similar to Rheinmetall's Skynex for polish army, but to carry 35mm cannon you need at least 6x6 military truck, this can be carried by pickup or even by tracked drone and cover light infantry or trenches, in Ukraine you can see that they are placing duble 12,7mm machine guns on pickups to protect them from drones, so I think it is worth to have both systems, 35mm more expensive system to cover bigger assets and 12,7mm smaller and cheaper system that you can have more of them and that you can use as heavy machine gun, to cover smaller units near front lines.
@@czaja995 I see your point, though they don't mention in the video how much cheaper the rotary cannon .50 cal is in the video. I would imagine the most expensive part of the system is the optics and tracking equipment... Why choose, if you can have both though.
The guys from project sentry gun really went big here huh> Congrats Rudolph!
The fact that seeing how effective sentry turrets could be for the future like those in alien against stuff like drones and such would be pretty game changing
if it as effective than in alien we are all dead
#HUMANSUPREMACY
You're spot on. Drone tech needs to be taken seriously and preparations taken to avoid drones being used against us. 12.7 mm would be highly effective and far cheaper than missiles against drones
I wish the States would get something like this
Nothing better than being affordable and effective
what is afordable and effective?
the video clearly stated its expensive and not demonstrated any effectivness
The only thing affordable against a small drone is by means of electronics counter measures. Anything else is overkill and overpriced.
@@nrgia you meant electronic cost less than rifle bullet
i guess you missed the end of iraq war where fighter shooted down drones with light weapons
@@omnianti0 You try and shoot down a small drone flying 50 to 100m above your head with a riffle. An electronic jammer gun and all that can be reused time and time again. Bullets run out fast. Especially on a battlefield where every single one counts. You only need one electronic jammer. Which is silent and wont give your position away to the enemy.
@@nrgia ah because you considere your electronic work on free power
on a basttlefield its more easy to carry bullet than recharge batery
such small platforms mounted on a truck are perfect.
.50 is boom boom!
Imagine this on an IFV or tank chassis? Early game changer in the fight against drones.
Once again awesome video brother. You know those R&D guys were instantly thinking of making that when they saw Aliens. Game over man! Game over!good stuff man keep it up.
Yeah, the UA-571-C remote sentry gun is a nice weapon to inspire the R&D guys. I wish they were also inspired by the M56 smartgun.
In some instances, sure, it's amazing. But not to combat other drones or computerized weapons platforms
Air defense systems are tremendous ground support and MOUT capable systems. One of these on an IFV would be freaking outstanding.
But Poland has already solved this problem, it will be produced on the IFV Borsuk chassis as an anti-aircraft and drone special vehicle. Poland has ordered 1,400 IFVs, including 400 specialized vehicles of various configurations
It looks great. The joystick is like an old Amiga Quickshot which is a plus point. Also it seems good at shooting down drones. I am glad the Polish have time to build more weapons I don't think they will be getting invaded again.
But Poland has already solved this problem, it will be produced on the IFV Borsuk chassis as an anti-aircraft and drone special vehicle. Poland has ordered 1,400 IFVs, including 400 specialized vehicles of various configurations.
This system is manual (joystick, semi-automatic and automatic)
I'had that joystick. I've had to replace microswitches a hundred times xD
I think it's an absolutely awesome piece of kit with multitude of possible uses. Hats off.
exemple of use : killing , destroying ...hu what else?
This may be primarily for drones but it would be work well on a ship to defend against small boats as well as drones
But Poland has already solved this problem, it will be produced on the IFV Borsuk chassis as an anti-aircraft and drone special vehicle. Poland has ordered 1,400 IFVs, including 400 specialized vehicles of various configurations.
This system is manual (joystick, semi-automatic and automatic)
With normal, "dumb metal" ammo, I can see a LOT of issues where the shots that miss the drone land. The sentry gun can be baited by the attacker to fire at a drone, in the direction of another target.
Thus is less an issue with explosive fragmentation ammunition.
Fragments don't randomly impact into buildings kilometers behind the drone position.
With the ammunition and muzzle velocity known, I can see drones with small radar reflectors (stronger echo, but the drone is smaller and farther away) just approaching close enough that the system fires it's first bursts. Which then impact around a village, to blame the sentry guns user for attacking civilians.
The M2 Browing has a maximum range of more than 7km. This is a real issue if you do not shoot in the direction of the enemy.
We finally have automated Sentry turrets
Very very veeeeery nice. I fell in love with the Gau-19 the US Army developed.
This better have a secondary anti personal usage.
Anything is anti personal if you aim low enough
@@bryantprak7129 BF players agree.
That is WLKM from ZM Tarnów not GAU-9. Polish design and development.
To część polskiego systemu jednego z kilku rozwiązań przeciwlotniczych krótkiego zasięgu jak pilica czy poprad.
Would be great if it could work against incoming artillery rounds also.
What a spicy lil guy......
One of those on top of a Humvee along with a stinger missile for larger aircraft would be perfect
The gun system will never be redundant, simple, cheap and very effective in the short range
Good for base defence
Ever since seeing the GAU-19/A many years ago, I have been waiting for a remote/sentry mounting. Like a baby Phalanx.
I'm pretty sure that is a GAU19, it has three barrels.
@@heybabycometobutthead Better check your eyes, it has 4 barrels. Plus it makes no sense for Poland to use american GAU19, when they have their own rotary gun called WKLM 12.7
Bane of all birds
Also mat the scene of the sentry turrets from alien was exactly what I thought I love how they predicted those back in the day irl some countries use them but their slowly gaining traction I also love you to talk about sentry turrets
Back in the 80s I predicted that Johnny-5 would get weapons. No one listened or cared.
Poland’s MIC is gonna be one of the best in Europe.
Im thinking if it can hit a drone then it could also be used as an in close air defense piece against helicopters and slow moving aircraft. Maybe even a guard on a road or intersection against unarmored or lightly armored vehicles. Also is there a way for it to recognize friendly drones when in auto sentry mode?
Considering it is manually operated and fired by the looks of it, it's up to the operator to discern targets. Having IFF systems built into drones might be the next step.
I'm getting serious Dune and Red Alert vibes with this thing.
Dunno how effective it will be on the battlefield, been a very long time since I was active duty...but I want one.
This sentry scares the hell out of me
I think its got potential this kind of weapon system. Park it somewhere that you need to defend, give it a metric ton of ammo and call it a day.
You know my job as a defense systems engineer?
It’s my job to design solutions to counter these systems, and I already got my sketchbook out.
We are in exciting times.
Matsimus, have you seen another Polish system called PSR-A Pilica? Poles converted and modernized the old Soviet 23mm cannons into a modern system for fighting drones and other low-flying objects.
how accurate are the old 23mm barels and ammo ?
"It's wall to wall in there!!!"
I agree for the most part. I wonder if proximity fuses with a larger caliber will be used? Is there a Radar system that detects such a small object? Awesome Channel
That is a good point. In 20mm HE this could be more effective at longer ranges versus kamikaze drones.
WW2 showed that explosive rounds needed to be at least 20mm to pack any useful amount of even contact explosive. For an air burst I'd think 30mm at least.
IIRC, Italy produces proximity fuzes for the 40mm Bofors. The US developed the same for the DIVADS program but it was a disaster.
The US also developed proximity fuzes for the 40mm grenade but I haven't seen anything beyond the prototype phase.
We know that from the OICW program, you can make programmable airburst ammo as small as 20mm, and the South Koreans actually have a 20mm airburst grenade in the K11, so it can be done. I think a midrange 20mm (not the current 20x110 used in the CIWS) would be a better answer as opposed to the .50 for the airburst effect alone. Hell, the case could even share the same rim as the .50 BMG, just make it a rebated rim case; you could probably retrofit it to the M2 with just a barrel swap.
Also, the M230 30mm chain gun on the Apache also has programmable airburst ammo, but it might be a bit too chunky for the mount.
As well, given Raytheon's development of their 40mm Pike Mini Missile and BAE's APKWS upgrade to the Hydra 70 rockets, you could have a whole pod of guided rockets/missiles that fits in the back of a Humvee.
Imagine a miniaturized version of Russia's Kashtan, Pantsir, or Tunguska CIWS system that fits on a Humvee and has compatibility or interchangeability with other weapons systems in US inventory...
Yes, Rheinmetal (spelled wrong, I know) has a system that uses 35mm airburst for drones. I think that is better than this, I think it would use enough fewer rounds that it would work out cheaper per drone.
Something bigger is for programmable ammo ZU-23-2 Pilica (ZUR-23-2SP Jodek + Piorun missle); Wonder if it is also possible to connect it to IBCS like Pilica will. Then I'd be SHORAD lowest lowest layer when 23mm is not worth it.
Proof that Poland can into space 💪
Great pice of kit, sooner or later these will need to be deployed in autonomous mode around the world.
Hi Matsimus, I feel that this type of weapon system should be invested in, particularly as a RWS Platform which could be fully integrated onto the new generation of IFV’s, ICV’s and MRAPS, like CV90 Mk.4; KF41 Lynx & Boxer etc, to provide a potent defensive Anti-Drone Capability using upcoming new generation of smart programmable ammunition natures. Whilst I also think that this type of system should seriously be considered as an upgrade to the RWS of current and future generations of MBT’s. A 12.7mm calibre Rotary Machine Gun RWS would intern provide more of a punch against light armoured vehicles; low level helicopters and man-portable Top-Attack capable ATGM’s. Another excellent video, Cheers.👍
I'm not sure if this particular system is compact enough to be used as an RWS for vehicles. It uses the ZU-23-2 carriage (the folded wheels you see under it), so you can compare that for scale.
@@olekzajac5948Ah yes, a very good point, I didn’t manage to notice the wheels at first. So you are probably correct in thinking, it may be to sizeable for the Armoured Vehicle RWS Role, but I do feel it would make a very effective non- deck penetrating RWS Point Defence, Rapid Fire Anti-Surface weapon for mounting on Naval Vessels from OPV’s to Aircraft Carriers. A 12.7mm multi-barrel heavy machine gun that is remotely controlled, could bridge the capability gap between 20/30mm gun systems and crew-served self defence Machine Guns.
Are you familiar with oerlikon Archer or skyguard? There's several different systems that use an oerlikon 35 mm firing ahead ammunition. Ahead is relatively cheap, $35 around, and it can handle drones out the 15km. With an average burst of 25 for a slow drone, 200 for something coming fast.
The rounds are air bursting and programmed at the end of the barrel.
The systems are scalable. With an Archer being a single gun mounted on either a truck or a track. And the other variants including skyguard are where they Network several of the guns and radars to cover a larger areas such as and Airfield, power plant, or other critical infrastructure.
If you don't know about it, you should look into it. It's interesting. They are a lot more expensive, but given the range and how few rounds they take oh, I think that would balance out pretty quick
Similar system is also developed in Poland, based around KDA 35mm (so Oerlikon gun as well) and domestic equivalent of ahead ammunition is also being made... for now only installed on small ships as main gun / CIWS hybrid, will be put of Polish frigates as dedicated CIWS, land version is developed but not purchased.
but these .50 rotary is something different. It was already presented not only on static mount but also on pickup truck with integrated radar. It is still cheaper and lighter than 35mm, and ammunition is more available.
With programmable munitions the problem is not so much price as availability of ammunition, there are few producers and ammunition has shorter shelf life. Gun itself and fire control is much more expensive to field and maintain. .50 cal dumb ammunition is readily available, you will not run out of that ammunition in case of conflict. And while 35mm offers better range and efficiency, for very small drones you are likely to detect them only once they are super close anyway. So it's not like using readily available ammo instead of sophisticated programmable fuses doesn't have it's merits in this application.
It's going to be really interesting to see the weapon systems and measures they use to counter the current drone threat. This is a conventional approach, but no doubt we'll see some insane ideas to bring down these tiny high speed targets.
Honestly part of me just wants to see some kind of crazy naval laser or active protection system strapped to the top of an abrams.
The AbramsX was equipped with a 30 mm chain gun that emphasized accuracy of fire rather than volume of fire. It seems to me that's the way to go for anti-UAV protection. Granted, the chain gun's rounds are large enough for electronics that allows for programmable air burst, but even that might be cheaper than 60 to 120 rounds for one UAV.
Agreed, it is an interesting system, but there are some glaring points to consider.
The 30mm cannon on the Abrams X is the Apache nose cannon, and yes it has airburst capacity.
M-SHORAD .
WE ARE SLOWLY APPROACHING THE LIMIT OF BEING A HEAVY TANK.THERE IS A BIG CHANCE THAT THE TANKS WILL HAVE SPECIALIST COMPANIONS. SO AUTOMATIC. WITH DIFFERENT TASKS. THE TANK WILL BE LIKE A MOVING CANON OF BEFORE
30x113 ain't 30x173,it has terrible range and velocity
Looks like something that would fit on the back of a Toyota HiLux for an effective mobile platform
I wonder if directing energy at wavelengths that the drone antennae pick up at the drone would burn the internal components, downing the drone? Such weapon would be the most economical, stealthy and effective if it works.
Directed energy weapons are much tougher to sustain specially in a country that suffers attacks on its energy infrastructure like Ukraine, but overall I feel like ballistic options are still best for low tech operability in rough frontline conditions.
Untill we have compact, high capacity power generation, mobile laser systems are not a thing we can manage atm. While I am somewhat out of the loop when it comes to it, the US mounted a laser system onto a 747 a few years back. That's about as small as we can get them to be effective anti missile and anti drone weapons.
It's a budget ciws system in its own right. It's impressive for its size
Using 12.7 for recreational drones is like using a broad sword to cut your birthday cake.
I mean. It's your party but dang.
Was thinking that too =p
Are you familiar with oerlikon Archer or skyguard? There's several different systems that use an oerlikon 35 mm firing ahead ammunition. Ahead is relatively cheap, $35 around, and it can handle drones out the 15km. With an average burst of 25 for a slow drone, 200 for something coming fast.
The rounds are air bursting and programmed at the end of the barrel.
The systems are scalable. With an Archer being a single gun mounted on either a truck or a track. And the other variants including skyguard are where they Network several of the guns and radars to cover a larger areas such as and Airfield, power plant, or other critical infrastructure.
If you don't know about it, you should look into it. It's interesting. They are a lot more expensive, but given the range and how few rounds they take, i think that would balance out pretty quick
Whatever runs you use, it needs to have enough range, and a good enough ballistic coefficient to reach. You could make a minigun with 556, but you are limiting your range to 1000 M at most.
50 caliber ball works out to be something between two and $3 around oh, you don't need any kind of incendiary or explosive. 416, or 338, or other rounds that arguably have a better long-range performance than 50 caliber all quite a lot more expensive than 50. So yeah, it's Overkill, but what if what is coming in is a cruise missile that's larger and need something to hit it harder, and you want to make sure that you kill it as quickly as possible so it doesn't detonate over your head.
Not all drones are small
@@thebarkingmouse Yeah, the basic cost of the eqipment is going to be one of the big issues.
Allow me to add some context here.
Polish army has not purchased this platform. It is a technology demonstrator from Zakłady Mechaniczne Tarnów aka ZMT which is part of the larger PGZ Group.
The I see comments here about how it's overkill and electronic counter measures are better. The system combines direct fire and electronic counter measures suite from a Polish company - APS (Active Protection Systems).
The APS system has been sold to both commercial and defense customers globally. The APS system is also selected by UK based MSI Defence Systems’ Terrahawk Paladin deployable drone killer, which is being sent to Ukraine.
Polish defense analysts have mentioned that electronic anti drone systems works but if a system like Lancet locks onto a target, it guides itself in the terminal phase. Once locked on the electronic jamming system won't stop the drone from hitting the target and that's where the direct attack - lead downrange comes in.
Another lesson that's being taken out of Ukraine is cost and quantity. 30mm / 35mm rounds are highly effective but economics win wars and cheap 12.7mm ammunition is easier to manufacture.
*Advanced Protection Systems. That's the company's name, their anti-drone system is called SKYctrl
I love this idea...the poles are coming up with some excellent bits of kit..
life as a bird gonna be pretty rough in the future
Will need something like this especially for drone swarms. Drones have really become a big issue in modern warfare. Bigger threat than ppl realize
.50 cal is not overkill. Not all drones are little flying boxes with 4 rotors from amazon. And anything smaller won't be as effective as a .50 cal paired with explosive ammo like Mk 211 Mod 0 Raufoss.
yeah shahed donres are big
My heart skipped a beat watching that thing unload
I definitely see a purpose for it, 50 cal makes a lot of sense, I have to wonder if there would be space for a smaller scale version optimized for lower cost.
Something shooting a high velocity bullet with a great ballistic coefficient generally optimized to be on the cheaper side of things seems like it would be pretty handy.
Obviously logistics for something like that would kind of suck, I'm just sure there has to be a better way about it.
There’s a 338 Norma version out now. Same size as a 7.62 and oils fit on platforms much better. This 50cal would require a stand alone system most likely.
Honestly for SHORAD against drones .50 BMG isn't the worst. The M2HB was used for many years as an air-defense weapon on ground vehicles and I think it still technically is retained on tanks and APCs for that purpose, in addition to being equally threatening to ground threats like enemy APCs, even some IFVs with newer AP rounds (though these are less ideal for SHORAD against drones, in that use case such ammo being expensive and simultaneously ineffective and overkill if they hit). It retains effectiveness against larger threats like Helos as well.
For something more compact, imagine if you took the electronics for fire-control, tracking and radar for a smaller version, and made it into a modular setup to accept existing belt-fed weaponry for the gun. Now imagine taking M134s and just adapting them into this system; you could have a module that could be put bolted on or properly integrated in to quite a few things, that uses the fairly common 7.62x51 NATO round, and would shred both drone threats and soft ground threats through weight of fire. Lots of 7.62 is nothing even to the lightest of vehicles (Imagine diet VADS).
@@barrag3463 I agree, I think in my head I'm still sort of struggling to compute. What type of drones exactly are a threat at this time. So I'm struggling to accurately assess what is actually required y'know?
@@barrag3463 Even unarmed drones are a threat when linked to Artillery.....
Ok, so the aussies just gave Ukraine drones made of cardboard and rubber bands to use as recon drones - not kidding. The drones that took the pics of the 4km Russian tank convoy back in the beginning was a toy that had a camera rig and a drop arm for small ordinance, and to add more insult to injury, Iranian drones use two cycle moped motors. When it comes to attacks by drones outside of Ukraine, the Venesuallian president was almost assassinated by one, and there have been reports of drone use by cartels to drop illegal materials / contraband into prisons. So the tech is relevant, but the response to it by shooting at is is kinda dumb, there is a far better, easier, cheaper, and more insidious way
Wow 😳
In my opinion smaller system is needed weight around 25kg effective range up to 500m, detection range 1,5Km with this every vehicle can have protection against drones and loitering ammo.
Finally, my Dune 2 (RTS) dream come true gun turret that fires on anything that fails IFF.
That brings me to the point that I need to go and search if anyone is already working on IFF for small drones.
I’d really like to see maybe a version with a 25mm cannon firing airburts munitions instead that way you don’t have to worry about scoring direct hits. It’d act much like a shotgun shooting at clay pigeons
Polanda have 23mm gun in same idea systems..."Pilica" and "Pilica+"
How do you know that this machine wich has a computer inside is “worrying” about direct hits the machine doesnt care.
The point is that 12.7 is much cheaper then 25mm, if they both do the job equally why use the expensive option
@@Razparuk I doubt any Nato country is going to create new equipment with Soviet ammo logistics.
@@opsidion1461 a single 25mm with its airburst shell is potentially more cheaper than a volley of .50 cal. YEs, computer does the aiming much like the Phalanx CIWS includin calculating from various factors like wind direction. But a. 50 cal CuAS would have to shoot much more ammo to hit.
OTOH, I find it pretty handy to deter enemy helicopters though. Since they are big enough anyway.
Ther is a 25mm version of the oerlikon ahead which Mantis, Syknex and Skyranger use. Many Ifv's use this. Its basicly what youe asked for. However i have no idea on how the economics play out for an engaged target
Glad to see Johnny 5 still alive.
Great piece of hardware!
This literally looks like a warship gun. Well let's hope we will have another tool we could be proud of. Grot is doing well, drones, also Krab, (even though it's not entirely built up of a made-in-Poland only parts)
The problem with all these systems is that they are all easily destroyed by artillery, once they have been localized. And localizing them will be fairly easy. I think the EW guns that er employed will become more refined.
I prefer the Gepard or land-based CIWS. The rounds explode to smaller fragments, minimizing the chance of collateral damage. These rounds fly a long ways and there are a lot of them. Maybe in a ground support role?
Yeah I wonder about that too. There is a reason this demo setup has it pointed out over the sea.
Gepard is very expensive. When it was delivered the one unit costet like 2.5 Leopard 1 tanks. And there is not many of them now.
Do you understand what affordable means? If you have to saturate whole army with such devices every penny counts.
Excellent idea!
Hi Mat, reminds me of a self loading shotgun. Used it and watched the jungle step back on each blast. HMG WC stocks only, sign for it son! Cheers mate. Harera
Be good for the AD Arty to stand up again. We lost a lot with the ADATS, EDIT and the 35 mm Oerlikons.
Feels like overkill on most drones, 7.62 should be OK for close support. Then the .50 for bit longer, then the some RM 2mm or Gepard.
7.62 has small range, this system can detect and shoot 10km away
@@RafFalin True, but the problem is cost of each kill.
RIP, little brave phantom.
I've been waiting for a tool just like this wondering why something like a gatling cannon or radar guided 90mm flak can't be used to snipe drones out of the sky
But Poland has already solved this problem, it will be produced on the IFV Borsuk chassis as an anti-aircraft and drone special vehicle. Poland has ordered 1,400 IFVs, including 400 specialized vehicles of various configurations
When Wall-e starts new job as a Centurion
At the risk of sounding like an ignoramus, this system is pretty viable and more useful than wasting a Stinger on a drone.
And, y'know, the inherent cool factor of having a rotary machine gun being set up as a sentry gun.
Bingo, now yer seeing the picture..
It's a good radar. Truth is chambered in .338 Lapua or even .308 it would still take out smaller drones and have the benefit of being lighter and carrying more ammo.
It would be interesting to see its capability to shoot at high angle of fire. Quad copter type drones usually attain the position at the top of the target and release its payload. To counter that, high angle of fire capability is a must.
this system has 180 degrees of fire in a vertical position in the video this was not shown because this test was about the possibility of losing and targeting small drones
@@bogumibrzezinski8212 thank you for the input but can you please provide a useful link?
Regards.
Game over man! Game over!
Seems like a really good idea. Ukraine is mounting hundreds of 12.7mm MGs on trucks to use as mobile anti-drone systems. Something like this would probably work well. It could probably be fitted to a light armor system as well to be mobile.
I wonder what else it could engage with a little software and hardware upgrade, artillery rounds maybe?
But Poland has already solved this problem, it will be produced on the IFV Borsuk chassis as an anti-aircraft and drone special vehicle. Poland has ordered 1,400 IFVs, including 400 specialized vehicles of various configurations.
This system is manual (joystick, semi-automatic and automatic)
The thing with drones is they can come from any direction. If they are in the general direction of your enemy, then shooting at them is fine. If however they are straight up, or in the general direction of other friendly troops or in a city with civilians, then how do you control where the bullets that miss will land? You can't, hence the jamming and other soft kill solutions.
i’ve been waiting for someone to make a 50 cal anti drone gun 👍
I need this for home defence
Depends on where on the battlefield it is deployed. If it is far forward, withing the range of enemy artillery or precision guided weapons, it will have to "shoot and scoot" to prevent it from being taken out by counter battery or anti-flak programs and weapons. Just setting it up and leaving it in static positions is just an invitation to only have it available for a short period. Further back it will not have that problem but it will have to be mobile to be able to protect assets that move like supply columns or trains. It may have a static role in protecting fixed assets like power palnts, bridges, etc.. With an effective radius of 4 km (2.4 miles) it will take a lot of them to protect a large area. Also, to prevent being swarmed by lots of drones it needs to have a fast target acquision system that can detect a target, fire a shor burst with high accuracy, and move on to another target before any drones can cross the 2 km to the weapon and take it out. MUltiple systems may overlap their zones of fire so that they can protect each other.
Seems effective 👍
This is basically an alternative to modern light 30mm autocannons like the Nexter ARX 30. I love those weapons because with modern programmable ammo they have a riddicolous amount of flexibility and accomplish a fire mission with 1-3 rounds.
Want to shoot down a drone? Done. Want to destroy a room? Done. Want to destroy a wall to allow your soldiers to enter? Done. Want to kill an enemy behind a trench/hill? Done. Do you need to destroy a light armored vheicle? Done. The problem is that those programmable rounds are expensive and hard to find. This is a solution that allows you to engage drones, infantry and lightly armored vheicles but it sacrifices all the airburst abilities and consumes more (way cheaper) ammo for the mission. It's a nice option to have.
Wow, a remote gun turret, never seen something like that before!
Remember, lead comes down again.
Awesome. Great video maximus. Legend man.
Damn Sanji’s grandfather is quite the man himself.
Very NEO - RETRO .....................great piece of eqipment .
Reminds me of the US Sentry Drone in C&C Generals Zero Hour
Ayeee! Johnny 5 is alive!
Very good.
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Hicks: "In the APC wreckage we have two sentries, they really kick ass!"