It seems like one of it's best features is being able to carry heavy equipment that people can't. So like, yeah, an extra couple missiles, a mortar, extra supplies, etc. The large radio antenna is interesting. The machine gun seems useful too.
It seems like the simple threat of actually having some these armed with guns, grenade launchers is enough to warrant one military from advancing upon another or at least keep a civilian populace from upraising against a dictator if they know they will face remotely controlled death machines.
Speaking as someone who served as a radio operator. It would be a godsend to let drones do the tedious and dangerous work of keeping relay stations operational. You are basically transporting a lot of equipment just to make yourself into a easily found and tactically important target.
I feel like people here are not really appreciating the fact that this high tech futuristic drone is carrying a machine gun that's been in service for over a 100 years.
@@williemcdowell6319 engineering a solution to that would be rather simple. Especially if the gun it’s carrying is designed specifically for its use. Why have a human trigger assembly if a human will never shoot it?
I've always loved these things. Imagine putting one in every squad. It would serve as a communications platform, a logistics/ammo carrier, a heavy RWS, and a medevac all at the same time.
We used DoKings, ATVs, and John Deere Gators in exactly this way in Afghanistan back in 2010 (we mounted M240B to the Gators and DoKings). The DoKing and Gators could pull a trailer we made from parts. We used them to carry gear, ammo, water, up to 2 stretchers each, etc. This machine is just a large Talon robot with a CROW turret attached. Technology we had in Iraq and Afghanistan many years ago. We also had a few "bomb bots", Traxxas T-Maxx trucks with platforms for mounting explosives to. We didn't really find any practical uses for them over there though.
Will be interesting to see what EW protection it has or if its "out of the loop". If not then i can imagine the next arm race step would be looking into "hacking" or disabling it for capture. This would even be great for civil matters like firefighting (building rescue), moutning rescue etc.
@@mastermariner490 Not quite as in theory they have no weight restrictions. Hence the new US Optionally Manned Fighting Vehicles. As a former SNCO soldier I can tell you that these things in all sizes and applications, will be a game changer. They will give ground troops and their commanders options that have only been dreamt of in the past. There simply is insufficient space for me to list and explain all the potential uses I can envisage Better minds than mine will have a field day developing tactics to best utilise these thing in the field. When scaled up to serve as a MBT replacement they will be of strategic importance. The Optionally Manned Tank is underdevelopment now.
@@gusgone4527 imagine this bit of kit with “swarm technology ai”. As you stated these could take on a mbt role but the sight of a tank will always make the combatants think twice, same as a show of force by jets!
@@12G_Pyro Imagine one of the optionally maned MBT's coming towards your foxhole. Not knowing if the monstrous metal beast has men inside or a heartless, soulless artificial intelligence. Then two red eyes illuminate on it's turret and a visible red laser scans your trench. It stops on your chest. A loud robotic voice speaks in your own language, telling you to lay down your weapons or die screaming. Just then, numerous other visible red dots appear on the chests and helmets of your comrades. Coming from every direction including straight up! It reminds me of 1991 when dozens of Iraqi soldiers, surrendered to an Apache helicopter.
Looks like a step forward. But one can still see that heavily wooded/scrub areas, tight path hill climbs and rocky terrain will still present a problem.
Had any jams on your M2 or Mk40? I know I did. Who's going to clear the chamber of a simple stove pipe? Drive over to the nearest unit and effectively show exactly where the troops are trying to stay out of sight? Go back to the TOC?
@@anderlillemaa4392 That has been the expectation since the Maxim gun. Consider for a moment the tens of thousands of wonder weapons during the ages who have turned out to be completely useless in actual use in the field. Unfortunately, careers and funding are built on the musings of The Good Idea Fairy. Nice video though. I wonder how many times they had to yell cut to clear a malfunction during the recording.
I'm not surprised that there are so many sophisticated lawn mowers nowadays. My neighbor just bought a drone that can lift 85kg. to insecticides the fields. You can fly with that thing.
Or imagine being a pow or civilian being hunted by these machines. Love how ppl assume these things would only be deployed against other militaries or machines.
Worse, they will be dressed to appear like bushes, covered in foliage and hunt in packs. In WWII the hedgerows hid and separated you from the enemy, but in WWIII the hedgerow is the enemy.
Much more practical than the Darpa LS3 4 legged “pack mule” design, and with hybrid diesel electric power it integrates into the logistics system very easily. The independent tracked modules are a brilliant idea for quick repair and maintenance.
I mean I think they’re for completely different purposes lol. Tracked vehicles are not as “mobile” as you think. 4 legged robots could bring supplies to the most remote/difficult areas.
@@Tounguepunchfartbox Question is: why would soldiers go where that tracked vehicle can't? Also, legged units would sink in soft conditions when carried up to a ton of load.
The 4 legged mule design is still far from reaching its' potential. But I'd say it has more potential in the long run. The tracked design is severely limited from ever being able to climb rocky and steep terrain. It will be unable to travel in thick forest. It's only going to be usable when the terrain is relatively flat with no steep surfaces. A legged design will be able to overcome that limitation. It just requires further advances in battery/power technology, as well as more honing in the programming. Even currently it's able to walk through rougher terrain than tracked drones. It's already able to get back up if it falls. It's able to withstand and maintain balance through shocks and impacts. But it's still not ready for use on the battlefield.
@@Tounguepunchfartbox You do know the army dumped those stupid things cause they would break down and couldn't go hardly any where. They replaced them with real mules....
As more armies rely on highly trained professional soldiers rather than poorly trained conscripts, vehicles like this will become more essential. The inevitable shortage of human soldiers means that every possible technology must be explored. A modular jack-of-all-trades assistant like this would be ideal.
Fun fact - Estonia has many many computer programmers and machine technicians. Unfortunately there isn't much work in that country for these great people. So often these guys turn to computer and bank machine fraud. Please check this out. It's a rabbit hole well worth diving into.. Love the show ❤.
nice propaganda piece there mate. There is always an lack of Programmers and machine technicians in Estonia, if you know anything about the country. It's the biggest industry there. Computer and bank machine fraud is very rare to come by in Estonia. And Estonia has one of the lowest Crime rates in the world (the lowest in 2019) according to the European Crime Index. If you are referring to those money laundering scandals with Swedish and Danish banks, then be aware that information can be bent. In those terms it wasn't the Estonians doing the laundering but the Estonians finding out about it. And that turned into an international scandal, that got bent by the Swedish and Danish states to turn blame away from them onto smaller countries.
These mini- tanks are fascinating to see, thank you for the video. God bless Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and Finland! May they always be kept free of Russian invaders. Slava Ukraini
@@Ghastly_Grinner What is your point? the battle ebbs and flows when the Russians decide to reinforce another area, yet the Ukrainians still hold strong. Ukraine will only be conquered if you kill a few hundred thousand of their soldiers. I side with Ukraine against an invader, the exact same way I would side with Russia if someone invaded them. All the best.
@@justinwaters8679 Russia has already destroyed Ukraine millions have fled to the EU their economy is destroyed their soldiers are defecting and accepting Russian citizenship they have started the trials for the azov nazis
@@Ghastly_Grinner yes, Ukraine of the future will be unrecognizable from the past. All that UXO, unexploded bombs and mines, they will keep killing Ukrainians for the next 100 years. Keep celebrating the death of a Nation and it's people, I'm sure karma or God or whatever you believe in will like that. The "Azov nazi's" are the greatest proven fighting force in the world right now. Oh, gee, they use the wolfsangel (a thousands years old symbol, from the ancient Runic Alphabet.) You should look up the Runic alphabet, and you will see that the Mustached Madman Hitler used all of the Sigils in the alphabet for his Evil Wehrmacht and SS divisions as their insignia, you say "dere nahtsees" with the only proof being a few ancient symbols. You want Nazi's? look up the "Russian Spring" and you will find your Russian nazis as they heil hitler and march down the street, in Russia. No, they are simply Ukrainian nationalists trying to keep their country free of Russian influence. Nationalism is a human belief, as natural as patriotism and love of homeland, and it exists in EVERY nation on earth. If you studied proxy- wars, you would know that it always ends up with Communist Nationalists like in LDPR vs Right wing Nationalism that is the philosophy of the Azov Battalion. Proxy wars always end up far right vs. far left, because it takes extreme beliefs to die in a war for any cause. I pray for an end to the Violence, all the best.
Considering the number of troops that end careers due to heat casualties this would have been a great asset to soldiers operating in extreme heat. Not to mention a heavy weapons platform that doesn't have to take cover and can actually cover troops while they react to contact. With so many uses for such a platform it could become vital to operations.
It would have to take cover in a fire fight situation. It's not indestructible. If it's out in the open firing a machine gun, it's a sitting duck. If it's so useful, is Ukraine getting some?
@@williamromine5715 Yes, its not indestructible but as it would be on patrol with units the platform can take damage instead of the troops while they react. Not saying it will stay out in the open like a terminator. Not sure why you think that. Ukraine? I doubt they are in mass production and am not even sure if they are in service on a mass scale. You think companies just build hundreds and keep them in storage?
@@rickjames18 I must have heard him wrong. I thought he said they were being used by some of the NATO countries. As to not being indestructible, they are too big to go to ground. They would be difficult to hide by trees, rocks etc. Someone would have to be operating its defense fire, and he is going to find cover and set up a firing line before before he starts figuring were and how he starts directing return fire from the robot. During that time, somebody with a RPG or similar weapon is going to take out or at least disable the robot. The machine would be useful in carrying gear for the infantry and evacuate wounded, setting up peremiter defense and such. But unless its allowed to operate autonomously, I think it's a little early to think it's the battle changer the manufacturer claims. Ukraine would be the perfect place to see how useful it is in real life operations.
@@williamromine5715 I don't think an RPG would be needed to kill this robot, that would be overkill. It doesn't seem to have any armor to speak of. A burst of machine gun fire would disable it pretty easily. Even rifle fire could probably do the job, though it might take multiple hits.
@@dark7element I agree. I think it has some uses such as a "mule" for carrying gear &such for the troops, or an ambulance, or even as perimeter defense, but it's not the "game changer" stated by the narrator. But, he is prone to overating things in his videos.
This thing would probably be very effective with combat modules that have ATGM or AA missiles, as well as the machine gun for infantry threats. Since it can run with only the electric motor, only using the diesel motor in a pinch, it most likely won't be significantly noticeable in thermal sights. So things like enemy armor or helicopters won't see it like they would see an armored vehicle glowing hot. It would be able to flank and disable enemy armor, or position aggressively for air defense without risking lives. It's going to be harder to detect with current optics, when visually camouflaged.
I've tested a similar wheeled platform in 'Arma 3': The thing is a fearsome weapon in human hands, let alone when allowed to be gunnered by AI, it's definitely not something you wanna be on the receiving side of (especially when it fires the 40mm cuz it usually fires multiple shots, which essentially pins you cuz you need to do a lotta small-scale bandaging), but on the flip side its armor is nearly non-existent and the wheels are stupidly easy to destroy, which in the game kills its max speed due to Game Engine limitations (or faulty object coding).
You know I played a video game when I was a kid. Called total annihilation. One of the best strategy games that’s ever existed. The whole premise was a battle over the transfer of consciousness from flesh to machines. Ever since then I wondered why we had soldiers in any mechanical war units. It’s about time to see this stuff coming closer.
without humans, war is pointless. and mechanical things break, still can't make decisions, and get battle damaged and need repair. and when the equipment breaks, teh fight continues, and suddenly you're back to being infantry again.
having been trained in infantry tactics, i can say that i would not ride on top of it, because if there's enemy contact, the soldier can't drop to the ground for cover. however, it has a gun and a camera and would be a great distraction. and sending that thing to provide suppressive fie instead of sending live bodies makes a lot of sense. furthermore, it would serve as a portable platform for lots of stuff. well done.
would it not just be destroyed by enemy fire if it tried to give fire support? As far as I understand its not armored and has a much higher frame than a soilder laying on the ground. Its nice for carrying your stuff around but other than than I dont know how usefull it would be for the infantry.
@@hex5874 Exactly. Unless this thing is cheap as bullets these "sacrifice plays" will deplete the stock at the start of conflict. Then we'll ask "were they ever even there?"
I delivered a similar unit to the proving grounds in Yuma, AZ. I picked it up at Lockheed Martin. Lots of security to go through. The designer/builder (just a young kid) was there to make sure I properly secured his baby. The interesting thing was the kid did not like the military version of a hand controller and instead used an everyday game controller to put it in my trailer.
The major issues with this type of technology is the enemy being able to jam the frequencies that the drone gets its control and video feeds from. AKA RxTx. Judging by the size of the antennas , I would say it’s on 900Mhz or 1.3Ghz. Easy to jam.
Hence why they wouldn’t just use bog standard tx. Pulse modulation, key shift frequency, list goes on. However the question is are they “out of the loop” I’m sure they would even have a unit setup with ecm just to combat any chance of EW.
@@VisibilityFoggy link 16 speeds are not up to par. At least according to what I have read. In 2007, tests by Northrop Grumman, Lockheed Martin, and L-3 Communications enabled the Active Electronically Scanned Array system of a Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor to act like a WiFi access point, able to transmit data at 548 megabits per second and receive at gigabit speed; this is far faster than the Link 16 system, which transfers data at just over 1 Mbit/s.
Think about one of these with a .50 like we see in the vid. Then have 6-10 switchblade loitering munition launchers mounted onto the back of it with javelin warheads. You'd have suppression for infantry, AT capability, ability to carry more ammunition, even evac like seen. For a group that wasn't as worried about being seen or heard easily it could be a big deal.
Sounds strange - but if there was a civil version of it - I would buy it, if I had the money. This would be a great helper for people who are disabled.
In WWII the US army used a motorized machine gun platform called "the Mule". It was just a motorized ammo cart with a machine gun mount and required a soldier to steer it around. but the concept was very similar to this thing.
@@Christian23242 how are you getting that diesel generator up the hill? FYI, non mechanized infantry move solely on foot and have no vehicles. Mechanized infantry have gun trucks or AFV/IFV and don't need this thing. And again, on steep terrain, like other vehicles it's size, this won't be any help. I was in a mechanized unit in combat for year and you'd be surprised where vehicles can't go. I've gone up hills on foot that were a challenge, even on foot.
could you imagine a system that mounter weapons like javelins and stinger launchers to accompany troops on the ground. protecting soldiers from.land and ground vehicles if it worked.
You should do one video on the bigger version type-x too, and take up more of THeMIS'es commercial applications, like how the Estonian farms and firefighters use them.
The thing that scares me is that the moment armies becaome fully or almost fully automated you will likely see politicians far more willing to go to war since there will less risk to human life in combat.
Wow that thing is terrifying- the firepower of a light tank in a infantry sized package- low profile so it can hide in long grass and harder to lock on with AT launchers perfect for urban warfare
It's really not a million miles away from the WW2 British Army Universal Carrier (AKA Bren Gun Carrier). They share physical characteristics and purpose. And they look strikingly similar. The Universal Carrier did absolutely anything and everything on the battlefield.
I mean it's not armored, so it will be relatively easy to disable with normal firearms. Or at least blind it if you hit the weapon module's sensors. But you may have argued for suppression, which is true. The operator of this thing won't get the natural instinct to take cover when shot at, and will be able to shoot back regardless of being shot at, as long as the vehicle is not disabled.
@@samisuhonen9815 There is an armored version to THeMIS, the version France tested. Could hold up to heavy gun fire, and only real way to take it out was with rockets.
The most obvious point of possible improvement of this robotic vehicle is to replace the stiff road wheel suspension system with a softer, more reactive suspension system. One that doesn't shake the entire vehicle -- and any litter cases that it might be carrying -- while traversing even slightly uneven terrain.
I love your channel,it's informative and no robotic voice. Just can't believe only 2500 likes with over 37k views, come on people show this guy some love.
The Ma Deuce M2 module has little robots it can deploy to automatically gauge and fix the headspace, use a multi-tool and pocket knife to dig out and remove bent and/or dented brass etc. and another one with a small bullhorn that hurls expletives and totally curses out the weapon while it (most importantly! ) repeatedly blames the prior user/operator for all of the current malfunctions. This insures that the THeMIS will have the same proficiency as most human operators during any type of drill or exercise, Lmao! 🤪
What happens if the RWS develops a misfeed? MG's jam all the time and presumably the robot isn't tactile enough to clear its own chamber. A simple stove-pipe would turn it harmless.
Probably order the platform back to the cover where the operator is, clear the weapon for operation and then send it back out again. This doesnt make crew operated platforms obsolete, it merely supplements the infantry situation.
@@Pilvenuga I don't know how much this system would cost in terms of price, maintenance, logistics, manpower etc. I think I would prefer those resources allocated to another heavy weapons squad or practically anything else. This is nothing more than bling for the procurement officer to get wined and dined over.
I’m glad that a small country like Estonia is building this because NATO will allow Russia to take Estonia. The USA will do nothing for Estonia. These countries must realize they are on their own.
The lower the profile a vehicle is the higher it's survivability. This applies to all types of military vehicles. A vehicle that is under 4 feet tall is nearly impossible to spot at 1 km with the trained eye.
These smaller ground drones are scary. They can pack big punches in relatively small profiles. A tank has to accommodate the human operators. A tank without human operators doesn't have this restriction, and could afford to be smaller while still retaining a similar number of on-hand ammunition, and similar armor thickness.
Things like this make me glad I have fewer years ahead than behind. I don't want anyone hurt but if soldiers are stupid enough to pursue killing as a career that's their lookout. Meanwhile it's fear of losses that keeps the frequency of conflict in check.
Well that’s all very nice, but does it do anything that a soldier can’t do better for a sliver of the price? Does it provide logistically anything more than a mule or a quad bike with a trailer? All I see is a machine that provides capabilities that can be easily be provided by other means for a fraction of the price, a machine whose production can be easily compromised.
the fact that this thing only has 100 MG rounds is kinda sad. should have a beltfed autoloader system with hundreds or even thousands of rounds. but really this thing also needs an autoloading mortar with sonar gunshot tracking capabilities. an array of robots that can identify potential targets through a visual feed, pop down behind a hill, and let loose with a mortar at every enemy that can be heard firing a rifle is pretty scary.
Maintenance. Will actual troops using this thing be supplied with spares and be allowed to make field repairs? Or will manufacturer force that they're the only ones that can repair, which can potentially increase downtime from inevitable battle and/or wear damage.
In 1986 NOVA robotics, with lead engineer Newton Crosby, PhD, tried the humanoid drone approach. Dubbed the SAINT, for Strategic Artificially Intelligent Nuclear Transport, it’s primary armament was a high powered laser and was capable of semi-autonomous operation. It primary mission profile was for second-strike capability following a surprise nuclear attack, code named “gotcha-last”. The project faced fierce opposition throughout its development for its potential to exacerbate nuclear tensions of the cold war. Then during a surprise thunderstorm, the project was dealt a fatal blow following a malfunction of one of their prototypes, in which the unit was stuck in autonomous mode and managed to navigate itself to a nearby town. Although it was unclear if the prototype would have engaged civilian targets, the unit was tracked down and destroyed out of an abundance of caution.
Wasn't there a future documentary about these and some company called Cyberdyne Systems and an AI system called Skynet? Kind of feels like its actually coming to fruition.
When the human cost is removed, then war becomes more about cost in machines than costs of lives. The thing is, the human cost is what keeps war from being too easy.
I feel like we've already reached that point, some of the current conflicts have been ongoing for decades. I think the Russo-Ukraine war should answer this once and for all.
i wonder how good it's all terrain capabilities are because it looks like it has a pretty short track which already reduces the stability especially if it's top-heavy, longer tracks might be a good thing to add but i don't really know what it's intended to do because it could have a reason if say it's intended to be able to navigate buildings or narrow passages but it doesn't seem like that's it's main use so longer tracks for better stability and traction would likely help it
If this Can Withstand Small Arms. This would be great Support Asset for troops as Lead. Really like the concept, I'm surprised the US, China or heck even Russia haven't deployed or had testing with these. Someone correct me if I'm wrong thanks.
You could equip that device with state of the art tools. You could build a squad around this thing. Especially, if they have access to airborne drones and integrated sensor data.
doesn't work as well as one might think. possible, with good training, communication, and coordination. but this tech has existed and even been used in combat already for decades. It has never yet been the game changer many tried to claim it would be. As things continue to evolve and capabilities and realities change that may well change too. Just not right now. There is the idealized idea of how this could work, and then there is reality. Spent many years in combat as they gave us all sorts of high tech toys and weapons to try and most are now relegated to history. Just hard to beat the basics of warfare.
It seems like one of it's best features is being able to carry heavy equipment that people can't. So like, yeah, an extra couple missiles, a mortar, extra supplies, etc. The large radio antenna is interesting. The machine gun seems useful too.
It seems like the simple threat of actually having some these armed with guns, grenade launchers is enough to warrant one military from advancing upon another or at least keep a civilian populace from upraising against a dictator if they know they will face remotely controlled death machines.
Speaking as someone who served as a radio operator. It would be a godsend to let drones do the tedious and dangerous work of keeping relay stations operational.
You are basically transporting a lot of equipment just to make yourself into a easily found and tactically important target.
I feel like people here are not really appreciating the fact that this high tech futuristic drone is carrying a machine gun that's been in service for over a 100 years.
yeah but what happens when it can't clear a Jam
Eventually I’d imagine they’ll develop a weapons system specifically for this platform.
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@@williemcdowell6319 engineering a solution to that would be rather simple. Especially if the gun it’s carrying is designed specifically for its use. Why have a human trigger assembly if a human will never shoot it?
@@williemcdowell6319we'll just send a drone to pick it up and then assess the situation and plan accordingly
This thing has so many roles though like even firefighting and almost every combat mission
there is only so many ways to slaughter people....stick to playing stupid war games..
I've always loved these things. Imagine putting one in every squad. It would serve as a communications platform, a logistics/ammo carrier, a heavy RWS, and a medevac all at the same time.
The spiritual successor of the british "Universal Carrier", in the best possible way. It even looks cuter.
The Taliban used this sort of tech for transport but it had four legs, was vegetarian and heehaws when pissed off. 😆
We used DoKings, ATVs, and John Deere Gators in exactly this way in Afghanistan back in 2010 (we mounted M240B to the Gators and DoKings). The DoKing and Gators could pull a trailer we made from parts. We used them to carry gear, ammo, water, up to 2 stretchers each, etc.
This machine is just a large Talon robot with a CROW turret attached. Technology we had in Iraq and Afghanistan many years ago. We also had a few "bomb bots", Traxxas T-Maxx trucks with platforms for mounting explosives to. We didn't really find any practical uses for them over there though.
@@SoloRenegade unfortunately tracked drones will not replace human driven vehicles.
@@am4793 I agree. supplement them perhaps, in certain capacities.
Will be interesting to see what EW protection it has or if its "out of the loop". If not then i can imagine the next arm race step would be looking into "hacking" or disabling it for capture.
This would even be great for civil matters like firefighting (building rescue), moutning rescue etc.
shit, I could use one to carry around my stock pile of 10mm sockets.
Same as drones i presume
@@mastermariner490 Not quite as in theory they have no weight restrictions. Hence the new US Optionally Manned Fighting Vehicles. As a former SNCO soldier I can tell you that these things in all sizes and applications, will be a game changer. They will give ground troops and their commanders options that have only been dreamt of in the past. There simply is insufficient space for me to list and explain all the potential uses I can envisage Better minds than mine will have a field day developing tactics to best utilise these thing in the field. When scaled up to serve as a MBT replacement they will be of strategic importance. The Optionally Manned Tank is underdevelopment now.
@@gusgone4527 imagine this bit of kit with “swarm technology ai”.
As you stated these could take on a mbt role but the sight of a tank will always make the combatants think twice, same as a show of force by jets!
@@12G_Pyro Imagine one of the optionally maned MBT's coming towards your foxhole. Not knowing if the monstrous metal beast has men inside or a heartless, soulless artificial intelligence. Then two red eyes illuminate on it's turret and a visible red laser scans your trench. It stops on your chest. A loud robotic voice speaks in your own language, telling you to lay down your weapons or die screaming. Just then, numerous other visible red dots appear on the chests and helmets of your comrades. Coming from every direction including straight up!
It reminds me of 1991 when dozens of Iraqi soldiers, surrendered to an Apache helicopter.
Looks like a step forward. But one can still see that heavily wooded/scrub areas, tight path hill climbs and rocky terrain will still present a problem.
@@lagtastic7511 I was surprised when they said it weighed 1 ton.
Heavily wooded. Look at a satellite picture of Estonia. Estonia is a big forest. This thing is designed for forests. It is not that large.
Communication relay alone is a major tactical asset.
I wish we had that when I was lugging around a 240B in the early 2000s. That will be badass with a MK19 &/or M2 50 Cal.
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It was armed with a Javelin in the video. But yeah, Mk.19 is better that a single use rocket launcher
Had any jams on your M2 or Mk40? I know I did. Who's going to clear the chamber of a simple stove pipe? Drive over to the nearest unit and effectively show exactly where the troops are trying to stay out of sight? Go back to the TOC?
@@PersonalityMalfunction We have the technology to create drones - I think engineers can figure something out for clearing a chamber.
@@anderlillemaa4392 That has been the expectation since the Maxim gun. Consider for a moment the tens of thousands of wonder weapons during the ages who have turned out to be completely useless in actual use in the field. Unfortunately, careers and funding are built on the musings of The Good Idea Fairy. Nice video though. I wonder how many times they had to yell cut to clear a malfunction during the recording.
I like the modular design. very innovative
Can I order one for home defense and wood carrying purposes ?
You could. They have models for civilian use
@@karriim00 with the grenade launcher?
Sorry only come in two versions - fuc..ing lethal or genocidal green.
I will take one if it has a snow plough attachment
Until it's hacked by skynet then goes on a killing spree.
Estonia coming out with some great tech.
Hell yeah they are. I’m blown away.
I'm not surprised that there are so many sophisticated lawn mowers nowadays. My neighbor just bought a drone that can lift 85kg. to insecticides the fields. You can fly with that thing.
This is a direct line of evolution to Skynet.
Imagine you are an infantryman and a robot with a 50 cal or a 30mm pulls up on you
Pretend you are a tree
Or imagine being a pow or civilian being hunted by these machines. Love how ppl assume these things would only be deployed against other militaries or machines.
Worse, they will be dressed to appear like bushes, covered in foliage and hunt in packs. In WWII the hedgerows hid and separated you from the enemy, but in WWIII the hedgerow is the enemy.
@@BeefyGordita I have heard the smut joke Invasion of the Japanese Bush but not Killer Bush
Or one with a gun off of A10 warthog
Much more practical than the Darpa LS3 4 legged “pack mule” design, and with hybrid diesel electric power it integrates into the logistics system very easily. The independent tracked modules are a brilliant idea for quick repair and maintenance.
The amazing go anywhere slaughter machine.....yeah real practical....!
I mean I think they’re for completely different purposes lol. Tracked vehicles are not as “mobile” as you think. 4 legged robots could bring supplies to the most remote/difficult areas.
@@Tounguepunchfartbox Question is: why would soldiers go where that tracked vehicle can't? Also, legged units would sink in soft conditions when carried up to a ton of load.
The 4 legged mule design is still far from reaching its' potential. But I'd say it has more potential in the long run. The tracked design is severely limited from ever being able to climb rocky and steep terrain. It will be unable to travel in thick forest. It's only going to be usable when the terrain is relatively flat with no steep surfaces.
A legged design will be able to overcome that limitation. It just requires further advances in battery/power technology, as well as more honing in the programming. Even currently it's able to walk through rougher terrain than tracked drones. It's already able to get back up if it falls. It's able to withstand and maintain balance through shocks and impacts.
But it's still not ready for use on the battlefield.
@@Tounguepunchfartbox You do know the army dumped those stupid things cause they would break down and couldn't go hardly any where. They replaced them with real mules....
As more armies rely on highly trained professional soldiers rather than poorly trained conscripts, vehicles like this will become more essential. The inevitable shortage of human soldiers means that every possible technology must be explored. A modular jack-of-all-trades assistant like this would be ideal.
Fun fact - Estonia has many many computer programmers and machine technicians. Unfortunately there isn't much work in that country for these great people. So often these guys turn to computer and bank machine fraud. Please check this out. It's a rabbit hole well worth diving into.. Love the show ❤.
Crime pays
@@theduplicator3270 So does war, sadly.
nice propaganda piece there mate. There is always an lack of Programmers and machine technicians in Estonia, if you know anything about the country. It's the biggest industry there. Computer and bank machine fraud is very rare to come by in Estonia. And Estonia has one of the lowest Crime rates in the world (the lowest in 2019) according to the European Crime Index. If you are referring to those money laundering scandals with Swedish and Danish banks, then be aware that information can be bent. In those terms it wasn't the Estonians doing the laundering but the Estonians finding out about it. And that turned into an international scandal, that got bent by the Swedish and Danish states to turn blame away from them onto smaller countries.
These mini- tanks are fascinating to see, thank you for the video. God bless Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and Finland! May they always be kept free of Russian invaders. Slava Ukraini
LOL Ukraine lost more ground yesterday and lost allot of guys in an important counter-attack near Kherson that was easily crushed
@@Ghastly_Grinner What is your point? the battle ebbs and flows when the Russians decide to reinforce another area, yet the Ukrainians still hold strong. Ukraine will only be conquered if you kill a few hundred thousand of their soldiers. I side with Ukraine against an invader, the exact same way I would side with Russia if someone invaded them. All the best.
@@justinwaters8679 Russia has already destroyed Ukraine millions have fled to the EU their economy is destroyed their soldiers are defecting and accepting Russian citizenship they have started the trials for the azov nazis
@@Ghastly_Grinner yes, Ukraine of the future will be unrecognizable from the past. All that UXO, unexploded bombs and mines, they will keep killing Ukrainians for the next 100 years. Keep celebrating the death of a Nation and it's people, I'm sure karma or God or whatever you believe in will like that.
The "Azov nazi's" are the greatest proven fighting force in the world right now. Oh, gee, they use the wolfsangel (a thousands years old symbol, from the ancient Runic Alphabet.) You should look up the Runic alphabet, and you will see that the Mustached Madman Hitler used all of the Sigils in the alphabet for his Evil Wehrmacht and SS divisions as their insignia, you say "dere nahtsees" with the only proof being a few ancient symbols. You want Nazi's? look up the "Russian Spring" and you will find your Russian nazis as they heil hitler and march down the street, in Russia.
No, they are simply Ukrainian nationalists trying to keep their country free of Russian influence. Nationalism is a human belief, as natural as patriotism and love of homeland, and it exists in EVERY nation on earth. If you studied proxy- wars, you would know that it always ends up with Communist Nationalists like in LDPR vs Right wing Nationalism that is the philosophy of the Azov Battalion. Proxy wars always end up far right vs. far left, because it takes extreme beliefs to die in a war for any cause. I pray for an end to the Violence, all the best.
This is honestly the way to go! I would love to have our military filled with these amazing ROVs!
How would you feel if they were all shooting at you ?
Despite it not having a terminator look ,it sure has a terminator vibe !
It's all "we can control it ,until it goes berserk " then comes the screaming
Considering the number of troops that end careers due to heat casualties this would have been a great asset to soldiers operating in extreme heat. Not to mention a heavy weapons platform that doesn't have to take cover and can actually cover troops while they react to contact. With so many uses for such a platform it could become vital to operations.
It would have to take cover in a fire fight situation. It's not indestructible. If it's out in the open firing a machine gun, it's a sitting duck. If it's so useful, is Ukraine getting some?
@@williamromine5715 Yes, its not indestructible but as it would be on patrol with units the platform can take damage instead of the troops while they react. Not saying it will stay out in the open like a terminator. Not sure why you think that. Ukraine? I doubt they are in mass production and am not even sure if they are in service on a mass scale. You think companies just build hundreds and keep them in storage?
@@rickjames18 I must have heard him wrong. I thought he said they were being used by some of the NATO countries.
As to not being indestructible, they are too big to go to ground. They would be difficult to hide by trees, rocks etc. Someone would have to be operating its defense fire, and he is going to find cover and set up a firing line before before he starts figuring were and how he starts directing return fire from the robot. During that time, somebody with a RPG or similar weapon is going to take out or at least disable the robot.
The machine would be useful in carrying gear for the infantry and evacuate wounded, setting up peremiter defense and such. But unless its allowed to operate autonomously, I think it's a little early to think it's the battle changer the manufacturer claims. Ukraine would be the perfect place to see how useful it is in real life operations.
@@williamromine5715 I don't think an RPG would be needed to kill this robot, that would be overkill. It doesn't seem to have any armor to speak of. A burst of machine gun fire would disable it pretty easily. Even rifle fire could probably do the job, though it might take multiple hits.
@@dark7element I agree. I think it has some uses such as a "mule" for carrying gear &such for the troops, or an ambulance, or even as perimeter defense, but it's not the "game changer" stated by the narrator. But, he is prone to overating things in his videos.
This thing would probably be very effective with combat modules that have ATGM or AA missiles, as well as the machine gun for infantry threats.
Since it can run with only the electric motor, only using the diesel motor in a pinch, it most likely won't be significantly noticeable in thermal sights. So things like enemy armor or helicopters won't see it like they would see an armored vehicle glowing hot.
It would be able to flank and disable enemy armor, or position aggressively for air defense without risking lives. It's going to be harder to detect with current optics, when visually camouflaged.
I've tested a similar wheeled platform in 'Arma 3':
The thing is a fearsome weapon in human hands, let alone when allowed to be gunnered by AI, it's definitely not something you wanna be on the receiving side of (especially when it fires the 40mm cuz it usually fires multiple shots, which essentially pins you cuz you need to do a lotta small-scale bandaging), but on the flip side its armor is nearly non-existent and the wheels are stupidly easy to destroy, which in the game kills its max speed due to Game Engine limitations (or faulty object coding).
Sounds like you need some reality intelligence mate.
It's just a freaking RC Bren carrier like the super popular one from WW2, about time someone updated it!
You know I played a video game when I was a kid. Called total annihilation. One of the best strategy games that’s ever existed. The whole premise was a battle over the transfer of consciousness from flesh to machines. Ever since then I wondered why we had soldiers in any mechanical war units. It’s about time to see this stuff coming closer.
without humans, war is pointless. and mechanical things break, still can't make decisions, and get battle damaged and need repair. and when the equipment breaks, teh fight continues, and suddenly you're back to being infantry again.
yeah wait till it gets close and personal with you and see how much you sh..t your dacs...these aren't game toys.
I played the hell out of that game. That one and the fantasy version
My guess is you're still a kid who's still playing games, just maybe 20 years older now right? Like I said, still a kid.
A great read through of the brochure 👍
having been trained in infantry tactics, i can say that i would not ride on top of it, because if there's enemy contact, the soldier can't drop to the ground for cover. however, it has a gun and a camera and would be a great distraction. and sending that thing to provide suppressive fie instead of sending live bodies makes a lot of sense. furthermore, it would serve as a portable platform for lots of stuff. well done.
would it not just be destroyed by enemy fire if it tried to give fire support? As far as I understand its not armored and has a much higher frame than a soilder laying on the ground. Its nice for carrying your stuff around but other than than I dont know how usefull it would be for the infantry.
@@hex5874
Exactly. Unless this thing is cheap as bullets these "sacrifice plays" will deplete the stock at the start of conflict. Then we'll ask "were they ever even there?"
I delivered a similar unit to the proving grounds in Yuma, AZ. I picked it up at Lockheed Martin. Lots of security to go through.
The designer/builder (just a young kid) was there to make sure I properly secured his baby.
The interesting thing was the kid did not like the military version of a hand controller and instead used an everyday game controller to put it in my trailer.
bahaha bro that’s dope respect to the young homie
The major issues with this type of technology is the enemy being able to jam the frequencies that the drone gets its control and video feeds from. AKA RxTx. Judging by the size of the antennas , I would say it’s on 900Mhz or 1.3Ghz. Easy to jam.
Ok buddy
Chirp spread spectrum etc, hard to jam. Mini EMPs might be handy. But armour piercing 50cal from a Barrett might get useful.
No reason it can't use Link 16. They could probably just pull it from NASAMS.
Hence why they wouldn’t just use bog standard tx. Pulse modulation, key shift frequency, list goes on. However the question is are they “out of the loop” I’m sure they would even have a unit setup with ecm just to combat any chance of EW.
@@VisibilityFoggy link 16 speeds are not up to par. At least according to what I have read.
In 2007, tests by Northrop Grumman, Lockheed Martin, and L-3 Communications enabled the Active Electronically Scanned Array system of a Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor to act like a WiFi access point, able to transmit data at 548 megabits per second and receive at gigabit speed; this is far faster than the Link 16 system, which transfers data at just over 1 Mbit/s.
Great to hear the Kelsey D Atherton shoutout, that reporter’s awesome, especially in this field!
Bonus points for the BSG reference!
"... which will be developed by quote meaningful human control." wow
also, how do you charge it?
A mystery why it took so long to develop as we already had the blueprint in 1986 when number 5 was alive.
That's the first thing I thought. A Johnny turret is a must
Think about one of these with a .50 like we see in the vid. Then have 6-10 switchblade loitering munition launchers mounted onto the back of it with javelin warheads. You'd have suppression for infantry, AT capability, ability to carry more ammunition, even evac like seen. For a group that wasn't as worried about being seen or heard easily it could be a big deal.
Sounds strange - but if there was a civil version of it - I would buy it, if I had the money.
This would be a great helper for people who are disabled.
Thanks from Texas Dark Dude
yes finally some estonian tech
my homeland
i remember seeing it first on tv
In WWII the US army used a motorized machine gun platform called "the Mule". It was just a motorized ammo cart with a machine gun mount and required a soldier to steer it around. but the concept was very similar to this thing.
2:35 ok that just makes me think of a universal carrier from WW2 just without the human driver.
That's really what this thing is.
A tracked cart made more efficient (but also more vulnerable) by replacing the driver's seat with a remote control.
Pretty ideal for up hill combats in my opinion
depends upon the hill. How steep? how rocky? where are you going to charge it on day 2 or 3 of the battle?
@@SoloRenegade he said Diesel generator, so i would imagine as long as you have Diesel you're fine.
@@Christian23242 how are you getting that diesel generator up the hill? FYI, non mechanized infantry move solely on foot and have no vehicles. Mechanized infantry have gun trucks or AFV/IFV and don't need this thing. And again, on steep terrain, like other vehicles it's size, this won't be any help. I was in a mechanized unit in combat for year and you'd be surprised where vehicles can't go. I've gone up hills on foot that were a challenge, even on foot.
@@SoloRenegade he said it had an inbuilt Diesel generator 3:42
@@Christian23242 who is carrying the fuel? it's gonna have to be refueled. And still doesn't address the steep and rough terrain issue.
Wall-E of the battlefield, amazing applications for this bad boy
could you imagine a system that mounter weapons like javelins and stinger launchers to accompany troops on the ground. protecting soldiers from.land and ground vehicles if it worked.
imagine you mount them space efficiently, you could propably pack 15 stingers into that thing verticaly
Allready exist and in service in Norway
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We have already tested jawelin on themis ;)
@@rainerl6138 so bad ass
Enjoyed your video and I gave it a Thumbs Up for the support of your channel
You should do one video on the bigger version type-x too, and take up more of THeMIS'es commercial applications, like how the Estonian farms and firefighters use them.
I like it. It's simple and configurable.
so what part of your death do you like?
The thing that scares me is that the moment armies becaome fully or almost fully automated you will likely see politicians far more willing to go to war since there will less risk to human life in combat.
Sentinel gun . Self loading and remote control. Fitted with the long-range heavy artillery guns.
I enjoy your narration voice. It commands listening and attention. Well done 👍🏻.
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Wow that thing is terrifying- the firepower of a light tank in a infantry sized package- low profile so it can hide in long grass and harder to lock on with AT launchers perfect for urban warfare
It's really not a million miles away from the WW2 British Army Universal Carrier (AKA Bren Gun Carrier). They share physical characteristics and purpose. And they look strikingly similar. The Universal Carrier did absolutely anything and everything on the battlefield.
Awesome. Is it hardened for Electronic Countermeasures??
Saving soldiers life . Intelligent systems. Smart systems weapons. Land tank drone.
What make this thing dangerous is that it will still continue to fire at you even if it being shot or shot at.
I mean it's not armored, so it will be relatively easy to disable with normal firearms. Or at least blind it if you hit the weapon module's sensors.
But you may have argued for suppression, which is true. The operator of this thing won't get the natural instinct to take cover when shot at, and will be able to shoot back regardless of being shot at, as long as the vehicle is not disabled.
@@samisuhonen9815 There is an armored version to THeMIS, the version France tested. Could hold up to heavy gun fire, and only real way to take it out was with rockets.
Milrem THeMIS Machinae is Amazingk!
So do I need to build a Robot Center or just make sure I have enough Power Plants to keep them online?
The most obvious point of possible improvement of this robotic vehicle is to replace the stiff road wheel suspension system with a softer, more reactive suspension system. One that doesn't shake the entire vehicle -- and any litter cases that it might be carrying -- while traversing even slightly uneven terrain.
Those little on board drones are so cool. Mini 'copters..
Estonia should test the robots ability to visually identify a Russian flag on an Orc soldier and....... 🌻
They basically reinvented the Universal Carriel with 2022 tech.
I love your channel,it's informative and no robotic voice. Just can't believe only 2500 likes with over 37k views, come on people show this guy some love.
using this to get casualties out of the battlezone with these will be a god send
War Robot? I wouldn’t want to face one!
This is so simple that I think it'll be the one to become standard use
I would like to see how these drones handle weapon malfunctions. It will need to be more advanced than just preforming bolt manipulation.
The Ma Deuce M2 module has little robots it can deploy to automatically gauge and fix the headspace, use a multi-tool and pocket knife to dig out and remove bent and/or dented brass etc. and another one with a small bullhorn that hurls expletives and totally curses out the weapon while it (most importantly! ) repeatedly blames the prior user/operator for all of the current malfunctions.
This insures that the THeMIS will have the same proficiency as most human operators during any type of drill or exercise, Lmao! 🤪
Estonian made quality stuff
These are amazing
So are stupid people who think these are amazing.
What happens if the RWS develops a misfeed? MG's jam all the time and presumably the robot isn't tactile enough to clear its own chamber. A simple stove-pipe would turn it harmless.
Probably order the platform back to the cover where the operator is, clear the weapon for operation and then send it back out again. This doesnt make crew operated platforms obsolete, it merely supplements the infantry situation.
@@Pilvenuga I don't know how much this system would cost in terms of price, maintenance, logistics, manpower etc. I think I would prefer those resources allocated to another heavy weapons squad or practically anything else. This is nothing more than bling for the procurement officer to get wined and dined over.
This looks really promising!
so it could completely kill you, promising indeed.
give me 10min away from officers and it will definitely have a stormtrooper helmet on it!
An excellent Infantry support/force multiplier.
I’m glad that a small country like Estonia is building this because NATO will allow Russia to take Estonia. The USA will do nothing for Estonia. These countries must realize they are on their own.
Looking how Russia is fighting in Ukrainia, im not sure that Russia can take Estonia 😂
@@rapator9270 I hope you are right. Russia is much weaker than anyone suspected.
Amazing stuff!
The lower the profile a vehicle is the higher it's survivability. This applies to all types of military vehicles. A vehicle that is under 4 feet tall is nearly impossible to spot at 1 km with the trained eye.
These smaller ground drones are scary. They can pack big punches in relatively small profiles. A tank has to accommodate the human operators. A tank without human operators doesn't have this restriction, and could afford to be smaller while still retaining a similar number of on-hand ammunition, and similar armor thickness.
no matter how advanced the technology gets, nothing beats a good old reliable m2 browing or dskha machinegun.
How much does it cost?
Ground phase of Skynet is here
Things like this make me glad I have fewer years ahead than behind.
I don't want anyone hurt but if soldiers are stupid enough to pursue killing as a career that's their lookout. Meanwhile it's fear of losses that keeps the frequency of conflict in check.
We'll see it in service in the Ukraine!
An excellent idea. Humans are fast becoming surplus to requirement on the battlefield and in the sky.
Curious as to how loud , decibel wise it actually is. Civilian applications ? Cost?
Looks pretty awesome
German Bundeswehr has put that thing trough extensive testing in Norway and i think they liked it alot
we all seen those gadgets in combat.... in sci-fi films... for at least 35 years and still waiting...
The comms antenna looks good 👍🏻
A company with a few of these and a couple of the Howe and Howe platforms would be mighty indeed.
I remember seeing these in the 1990's when they were used to transport big game out of the forest.
Would be so useful to have one of these carrying bags during operations, or so I'd imagine.
Well that’s all very nice, but does it do anything that a soldier can’t do better for a sliver of the price? Does it provide logistically anything more than a mule or a quad bike with a trailer?
All I see is a machine that provides capabilities that can be easily be provided by other means for a fraction of the price, a machine whose production can be easily compromised.
the fact that this thing only has 100 MG rounds is kinda sad. should have a beltfed autoloader system with hundreds or even thousands of rounds.
but really this thing also needs an autoloading mortar with sonar gunshot tracking capabilities. an array of robots that can identify potential targets through a visual feed, pop down behind a hill, and let loose with a mortar at every enemy that can be heard firing a rifle is pretty scary.
Maintenance. Will actual troops using this thing be supplied with spares and be allowed to make field repairs? Or will manufacturer force that they're the only ones that can repair, which can potentially increase downtime from inevitable battle and/or wear damage.
In 1986 NOVA robotics, with lead engineer Newton Crosby, PhD, tried the humanoid drone approach. Dubbed the SAINT, for Strategic Artificially Intelligent Nuclear Transport, it’s primary armament was a high powered laser and was capable of semi-autonomous operation. It primary mission profile was for second-strike capability following a surprise nuclear attack, code named “gotcha-last”. The project faced fierce opposition throughout its development for its potential to exacerbate nuclear tensions of the cold war. Then during a surprise thunderstorm, the project was dealt a fatal blow following a malfunction of one of their prototypes, in which the unit was stuck in autonomous mode and managed to navigate itself to a nearby town. Although it was unclear if the prototype would have engaged civilian targets, the unit was tracked down and destroyed out of an abundance of caution.
Wasn't there a future documentary about these and some company called Cyberdyne Systems and an AI system called Skynet? Kind of feels like its actually coming to fruition.
When the human cost is removed, then war becomes more about cost in machines than costs of lives. The thing is, the human cost is what keeps war from being too easy.
I feel like we've already reached that point, some of the current conflicts have been ongoing for decades. I think the Russo-Ukraine war should answer this once and for all.
If there is going to be war, then why not make it so fewer people die?
lol, this is so cool, i gotta find out who you hang out with
i wonder how good it's all terrain capabilities are because it looks like it has a pretty short track which already reduces the stability especially if it's top-heavy, longer tracks might be a good thing to add but i don't really know what it's intended to do because it could have a reason if say it's intended to be able to navigate buildings or narrow passages but it doesn't seem like that's it's main use so longer tracks for better stability and traction would likely help it
Awesome, all we need to do is connect them to a central AI to coordinate it all, we can call it Skynet.
Tethering a recon drone- genius!
If this Can Withstand Small Arms.
This would be great Support Asset for troops as Lead.
Really like the concept, I'm surprised the US, China or heck even Russia haven't deployed or had testing with these.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong thanks.
You could equip that device with state of the art tools. You could build a squad around this thing. Especially, if they have access to airborne drones and integrated sensor data.
doesn't work as well as one might think. possible, with good training, communication, and coordination. but this tech has existed and even been used in combat already for decades. It has never yet been the game changer many tried to claim it would be. As things continue to evolve and capabilities and realities change that may well change too. Just not right now. There is the idealized idea of how this could work, and then there is reality. Spent many years in combat as they gave us all sorts of high tech toys and weapons to try and most are now relegated to history. Just hard to beat the basics of warfare.
It's quite cool, but how do you transport that thing to the place of action?