You mean besides the frequent mistakes and weird stock imagery/video that isn't really related to the topic. I still enjoy them anyways. Just fact check if something seems out of wack.
I remember reading about that bomb. When it went off, suddenly there was a HUGE spike in cellphone use in Afghanistan, with Afghans asking "What was that?" and some speculating if it was a nuke.
Worked alongside one of the ex Royal Marines who was part of the clearance team sent into that cave complex to ferret them out. It all got very medieval inside that labyrinth. To say he was disturbed by what he had been sent to do (and very successfully completed) is an understatement. His head will never recover and in dark moments he's still underground completing that task hand to hand. Not clear how many they killed but a bit of him died in those caves. Brave lad.
Thermobaric and FAB (fuel air bomb) are similar in that they both use available atmospheric oxygen to combust fuels. FAB's traditionally uses liquid fuels, while Thermobaric uses a dry fuel mix. Both types have been around for some time. Today the most powerful Thermobarics are MOAB (USA) and FOAB (Russia). Both type of bombs have advantages over typical high explosive munitions. Since high explosives need an oxidizer, 2/3 of weight is oxidizer. However, since FAB's and Thermobaric's use available oxygen, they can have 2/3 more explosive fuels (wet or dry). Both types have a 2 stage process to disperse then ignite the fuels after they mix with air. Since they use oxygen in the atmosphere, if they are used in enclosed spaces, they will use up all the oxygen. Enemy not killed outright from explosion can suffocate and die from asphyxiation. Both types produce a very high pressure initial blast wave. This pushes air out in all directions, creating a partial vacume. Temperatures within burning fuels can reach thousands of degree. A similar high pressure concussion is produced when air rushes back towards blast vacume. All bombs kill in similar fashion. Direct damage to body, damage to internal organs, damage to lungs, damage to brain. Many times, there are no external indications of blast injuries, yet is just as fatal. Video was a little mislead. It named the right bomb, but showed MOAB in error. One weighs 1,927 lbs, the other 21,600 lbs. They have only dropped MOAB once on a target in war. It requires a cargo plane with a rear opening ramp to deliver. The other smaller bomb can be dropped by a number of different aircraft.
they have been using them since the mid 1960's. the daisy cutter is a liquid fuel variant they dropped in vietnam to clear landing zones for helicopters.
Dropping a large Fuel/Air explosive bomb to slide into a large cave complex before exploding would actually result in a reduced blast (less air for the fuel/air mix) but with a enhanced blast effect (as the tunnel restricts the shock wave, sort of like throwing a explosive change into a enclosed room) and a much longer burn time (more unburnt fuel left over from the initial explosion) to consume the oxygen in the cave complex. Keep in mind that no vacuum is generated during this burn because the consumed oxygen is replace by the fuel generated combustion products, so the description of a 'vacuum' bomb is false. Partial vacuum can be generated when the air from the initial explosion instantly starts to cool and contract. Blast effect is caused by the initially ignition moves through the air/fuel mix at supersonic speed (this is the difference between a explosive and a burn where the flame front does not exceed supersonic speeds with no shock wave generated from a supersonic wave front). If you are close enough to be effected by the air cooling vacuum, chances are that your internal organs have already been liquified from the initial blast. The blast effect is the same for conventional explosives. Its just that there is less fuel component since the oxidizer component must be contained in the original explosive.
Thermobaric weapons have been used for a long time. Russians used them in Afghanistan in the '80's, as both aircraft and man portable rocket launchers. The U.S. used them in Desert Storm. The difference between those weapons, and this one, is the penetration vessel. The others, with a couple exceptions, are intended for out door use. If it looks kind of like a nuke going off, but no radiation, thermobaric weapon.
They are always trying to rewrite history to their liking! I am over 50 and I watched the supposed 911 attacks and the supposed collapse of the north and south towers! And then building 7 after 8 hours of the supposed fires in the building! They the government of the United States of America killed all those people foe the ability to implement the Patriot Act!
A weapons job is to be lethal. As long as its controlled so it avoids unnecessary civilian causalities and doesnt cause unnecessary and prolonged suffering. It's fine.
I think trouble starts when they eventually (and inevitably) do become used on civilians. In any war civilians become legitimate targets once it reaches a certain point of totality.
@@awwtergirl7040 That is a salient point. That is why it is important to avoid war if at all possible, and the only way we as a species have figured out how to do that is to make the prospect of war so horrifying that nobody undertakes it e.g. MAD. As a second point, war doesn't have rules for the losing side. The Taliban have been using white phosphorus from the start, and that is against many international conventions.
Exactly, I've tried researching the media hype and terror about fuel air bombs, but the talking point is that ~'the splody is so strong that it's not safe to be hit by one', and I'm like, uhh, you know how bombs work, right?
@@mattstyles2498 I get the point, but WMDs go both ways. Some people can be trusted with them more then others, but there's always a question if it will stay that way decades or centuries ahead and a even bigger question if the weapons might become standard use as more people hear about them
I absolutely love the content that is produced here, however I feel as though this video missed the mark of what should be considered an acceptable quality. Blasting background music, typos, abnormally incorrect background footage, and mistakes in the information provided... I watch everything y'all make and love it which is why I feel it important to make note of such things. Please keep up the work that y'all are doing!
I definitely agree brother that if it's worth doing it's worth doing well and you're going to have people say hey it's free content why are you crying well I'm crying because if it's worth doing it's worth doing well.
This is a very positive critique, and I also agree with this positive criticism. Appreciate you @Choconilla ...... to the naysayers STFU and quit looking at the world through a single, narrow lens. You focus on this comment being a criticism but not the type of. Ignoring the nuance and place that what is being conveyed, comes from.
I talked to a navy corpsman attached to a marine division during the original desert storm in the 90's. He said they used cargo planes, specifically the C-130, modified to drop what looked like a huge 55- gallon drum with fins attached at the ends, only many times bigger, that only one could be carried at a time. It would fall from the aircraft spewing fuel in a spiral type fashion in a specific pattern, then ignite the fuel. It would cause a MASSIVE rush of air creating an implosion that they felt even 10 miles away. It also created a mushroom cloud, prompting the commander to call base asking if they had missed the Jackrabbit call. Jackrabbit was the call sign to tell everyone to get the hell out, we were going nuclear. When they would arrive after to the areas the bombs were used on, he said you couldnt even tell how many it had killed as it ripped them into pieces, inside out. Arms here, lungs over there, etc. He said in all the warfare he ever saw, those scenes were the worst ever, even worse than nightmares. 20 years later, he could still see the remains when he closed his eyes and thought about it. It killed EVERYTHING, dogs, birds, bugs, plants, everything be it above ground, in an armored vehicle, or underground. 30 years later, we have them even bigger, more powerful than small hydrogen bombs. Scary sheet. But Russia supposedly has them too. I would hate to be in Ukraine right now.
Russia wouldn't use those kind of weapons against their own people, Ukranians are russians, the US on the other hand are capable of anything, I'm sure the US military won't hesistate using any kind of weapon, it was the US that used nuclear stuff in Japan after all...
Penetrating six feet of concrete is old hat. By the end of WW2, seventy odd years ago, there were bunker busters that would penetrate sixTEEN feet of reinforced concrete.
The tall boy could go through over 4 meters, (if dropped from optimal height it would hit the ground at 750mph) while the grand slam could penetrate 6 meters……
@@elultimo102 News to me. Can you cite any source for that? It would be quite contradictory for the Brits to be working on bunker busters, if all they needed to do was drop a 16" warhead from the US inventory.
@@lyfandeth I heard that 37' figure in my youth. I'm not sure if it was a war picture or a documentary, but I kind of have a B&W image associated with it. But that was for H.E. penetration, rather than thermobaric.
Dear Dark Tech, I served as an air munitions specialist (MOS/AFSC-46270) in the USAF for nearly 7 years and we NEVER referred to the BLU as "blue". We called them "Bee-El-You", just like each letter is said. I loaded hundreds of BLU-1Bs in Vietnam and elsewhere and I know no one who ever called them "blue".
Interesting to see your comment. As a current Weapons troop (2W1) of 17 years, I have only ever heard and referred to them as "blue". I'll have to ask my old 462 pals if they saw a move from one to the other over the years.
The guys that put together these "documentaries" using nothing but stock footage aren't the smartest "bee-you-el-bees" in the box. They probably steal text from a articles to use as their scripts.
Well, why didn't you call them "Blue"?! Lol. Seems like a missed opportunity. Was "Blue" already the term for something else? Cuz that's the only excuse I could see for not calling a BLU a "Blue".
Just to show the history of the vacuum bomb correctly: The first attempts occurred during the First World War when incendiary shells (in German 'Brand Granate') used a slow but intense burning material, such as tar impregnated tissue and gunpowder dust. These shells burned for approximately 2 minutes after the shell exploded and spread the burning elements in every direction.[22] In the Second World War the German Wehrmacht attempted to develop a vacuum bomb, using the Austrian physicist Mario Zippermayr. The Idea was not new and again the Germans was the first who had it.
The fact is that the Wehrmacht used thermobaric grenades or rockets in their Nebelwerfers and other platforms against Russian forces back in WW2. The story is (read it in several different books) they were trying these out and it had such devastating effects on human bodies an therefore the troops, Russians sent a message to the Germans that if they won't stop using these, they will retaliate with chemical weapons...
@@mattiasheron So? The whole West/NATO is supporting such groups with exactly the same ideology only in a different country this very moment, sending them money and weapons, giving their leader all kind of medals and stuff...but you felt obliged to mention something that happened more than 70 years ago?
Thermobaric weapons have existed since WW1 in some form. The US used them in Vietnam. The Soviets used them extensively in Afghanistan in the 1980's. The Chinese developed their own in the 1990's. The only thing "new" is this particular bomb, but the type of bomb it is and the mechanics behind it have been in use for over 100 years.
Fuel-air devices were used liberally against the Communist forces that were starting to overwhelm Phnom Pehn in 1975. They took out large swaths of Khmer Rouge in open areas.
If you're going to make a documentary about a thermabaric vacuum bomb you might want to explain what that is somewhere in the video. Also the fact that it can be used as an indiscriminate antipersonnel mass destruction weapon is relevant. Exploded above ground troops it uses so much oxygen that it suffocates anyone under and around the explosion.
@@thethpian That's not suffocation, that's having your lungs blown out...and they would EXplode, not get sucked out of you with a thermobaric bomb. They create a positive pressure wave, bursting eardrums etc. I don't know what you think a "vacuum bomb" is but that's not how explosions work. They don't violently suck air IN, it's energy blasted OUT, in all circumstances.
I remember when they were testing some absolutely insanely huge fuel/air thermobarics when I was training for Desert Storm (1989). Some of them topped out at 15000lbs and had to be dropped from cargo transports rather than bombers. When they went off they would create a mushroom cloud and a knee bending shockwave through the ground five miles away. We never directly watched them tested, they was always a mountain ridge between our position and the test range, but even with that barrier it sounded like a 250lb bomb hitting a klick away. I don't know the composition, but scuttlebutt had it as a mix of fuels in a two stage setup. The first, largest, explosion would aerosolize the fuel - up to 15000lbs of it! - and a second incendiary detonation would ignite the fuel sucking all of the breathable air from a 'subterranean shelter network' more than a kilometer deep (i.e. 1000 meters or more of direct tunnel and ancillary volume, not tunnels 1000 meters below ground).
Thank you. That would have been awesome to watch in person. Kind of makes us humans look rather small when you feel the blast and see a mushroom cloud thousands of feet tall.
I saw a brief clip on tv, I think it may have been a promotional film by the weapons company, of something similar to what you describe. It was a big bomb dropped from a large aircraft. It fell for a while then it exploded scattering aerosol containers fizzing out dark fuel droplets, creating an umbrella of fuel/air mixture over the target. Then there was another flash and the whole thing ignited.
@@michaelcaffery5038 Thanks, definitely an air burst bomb type (FAE, TBX, and others) It is amazing the precision required to disperse, then ignite split second later. The munitions come in varying sizes from small, medium, large, and mutha frikin huge. Ask any woman, she will tell you size really does matter - LOL. (in bombs that is).
@@Jesusprayerwarriorbw Thanks... Better Living Through Better Chemistry depends on what side of Thermobaric's you are. Guys dropping them out back of C-130's love it, terrorists getting turned into red soup not so much. If it doesn't kill you instantly, be patient. Blast lung, blast brain, blast other internals are just now kicking in. Not a single mark outside body, mush inside.
The big red bomb is a MOAB bomb. Its a traditional explosive, albeit very huge. And it sure as hell aint gonna be dropped by an F-15. Its dropped out the back of a cargo plane like the clip depicted. The thermobaric bomb mentioned here is smaller in size, but has “bunker busting” capability before it detonates. It then atomizes the air with an explosive mixture and when that mixture ignites it does two things: 1) it creates a huge blast wave and 2) it super heats the air, vaporizing everything in its path (well, everything that can be burned obviously).
@@saulgoodman7858 not really. You’d be dead from the initial blast wave or the intense heat that followed. Whatever happens after that is moot: the damage has been done.
I'd be curious to see how they actually work. I don't see it "sucking air" out of your lungs or oxygen. That would be like a nearby fire taking oxygen out of your lungs from across a room. I'm no expert, nor do I pretend to be one. But I have a guess as to how they work. I suspect they have two explosions. One just before impact. And it spreads the currently non flammable mix into the air above the ground so it can spread out and mix with the air. Then I'm guessing once the "stoichiometry" (the minimal mix of air/oxygen and fuel).. has mixed it then explodes and creates the larger blast. But I'm also guessing it consumes just the oxygen in the radius of where it mixed tho. So when I hear about it sucking oxygen out of tunnels I have a hard time wrapping my head around that. Many tunnels don't have a whole lot of oxygen there to begin with. Back in Vietnam days they invented some of the first air fuel bombs to destroy deeply tunneled enemies. They had to basically mix gas and oxygen and pump the tunnels full of it and blow them that way by pumping the explosive gas in and pushing regular air out. Anyways I'd like to see it explained some day
@NaN that's what I said isn't it. I clearly said it can't "suck" anything. My theory is that the initial bomb goes off. It has just enough oxidizer in it to scatter the thermobaric mix. And as it expands it mixes with air, and then yes it too goes off. And as it does it spreads the rest even further and as it mixes with air it too goes off. So it makes for a long pressure wave bomb that don't need to carry it own oxidizer. And yes aluminum is used in flash powder, all sorts of things. Aluminum is just one of many termite metals than can be added to fuel them. Actually powder aluminum and fertilizer is basically what tannerite is. I was asking tho how it's said they can drain the oxygen out of a cave. Maybe the blast forces the mix down into them? I just don't see how it drains the oxygen from them without the mix ever getting down into them
@NaN and my word stoichiometry is the exact name for the science of fuel air mix btw. It won't burn until the amount of anything is mixed. Like even flour can combust like a bomb. But you have to light it while it's hanging in the air just right. Anything that has carbohydrates can be made into a bomb of sorts this way thru stoichiometry
I have to admit this video is a little confusing. The MOAB is an enhanced tnt explosive. 18000 pounds of tnt with aluminum powder accelerant. It is not thermobaric. Thermobaric is an air fuel explosive. The MOAB was an updated daisy cutter and detonates above ground in a similar fashion.
The MOAB is technically a Hyperbaric weapon. The Aluminum and Magnesium dust act as blast multipliers that do consume all the O2, BUT do not have a sustained incendiary effect like the Thermobaric bomb has.
Thank you Ms Duong! It is immigrants like you, that have given so much to this country, that makes me glad to say that I am an American. Its what our entire country was founded on. It is so disheartening to know that so many have lost sight of this fact
Every time u are talking about Thermobaric Bombs U are showing Moab. Although similar role but the Moab can't be carried by F15e strike eagle. Moab was carried only by C130's.
The test video and thumbnail are not a thermobaric weapon, it is a FAE-II. A former colleague of mine worked on that program, and was at that particular test. This test was conducted at China Lake. The shock wave from that test turned the hardpan at the test site into loose powder. The shock wave also reflected off an inversion layer and broke windows out in town (specifically mentioned the old Albertson's).
an FAE is by definition a thermobaric device: fuel rich with oxidizer still qualifies. versus, moab, foab, etc. which are advanced blast explosives with less to no oxidizer; each type is designed to create a high temperature over pressure shock wave.
@@flightographist Thermobarics and FAE are two different classes of warheads with similar effects. My former colleague described thermobaric warheads as the poor man's FAE. The difference is that thermobaric fills contain some oxidizer (if only in the primary HE compound) and a metallic fuel. FAE carry no oxidizer, and must have a period of time to slow the fuel to mix with air before the cloud dets fire. From a technical and design perspective, it is a significant difference
at the end of the video, no leader makes a statement incorrectly. It’s not “United, we stand, united, we fall”. The correct statement is, “United, we stand, DIVIDED we fall”.
this must be the thing that a teacher i had told me about, he was a marine. he said there was a bomb that could suck all the air out of an entire city so you would just instantly suffocate or closer to the actual bomb your lungs would collapse, but basically it does the same as a nuclear bomb but it leaves all the city intact and just kills all the people.
Yup. Since he’s a former Marine, I’m assuming he was talking about the SMAW-NE “novel explosive” missile. It was the same thing but packed into an 83mm missile. Marine Corps assaultmen carried a couple of these in Iraq.
Duong Nguyet Anh ,a Vietnamese-American-, was a team leader of scientists created that bomb. We all are proud of her service.
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Yeah she looks extremely Vietnamese to me but the narrator completely butchered her name, giving the idea that she wasn’t. Although, as a Vietnamese whose grandfather was almost blown to smithereen back in the Vietnam War. I can’t say that I’m all that proud for her archievement. It’s quite hard to gobble that up tho, it was just 40-50 years or so ago, the scars are still there.
@ Exactly. The atrocities the US committed in Vietnam are still noticeable to this very day; high rates of birth defects and cancers as a result of their chemical warfare with things like agent orange for example. Let alone how fresh those wounds were a few decades ago. She could have tried to do something in return for her new country without actually helping to exterminate people, which would have actually been honourable.
Just an opinion but since it's a newsmedia term, I think the title should put "vacuum" in quotes to emphasize that it's not an official term or part of its intended design.
It is definitely an accurate descriptor though, it does create a substantial low pressure area. So if you put that in quotes, you’d also have to say “vacuum” cleaner. Doesn’t matter if it’s intended or not.
@@ChrisG1392 No, it doesn't. The first charge disperses the fuel in an atomized form, the second charge ignites it. There is no way it creates any kind of low pressure area during any of those events. You can even see it in endless high speed footage of bursts. Dispersal of fuel, ignition, shockwave.
I always wondered what happened to the singer of King Missile. So appropriate that he is doing narration for video documentaries about munitions that are detached, and then exploded. By the way, I am so glad that the three doctors had an intense discussion at 6:36. They really did great work there. Saved millions, and loved good wallpaper. That made me tear up.
"...but it proved so lethal people wondered if it should have been developed at all." - umm, it's a WEAPON, it is intended to KILL, so how can it be "too lethal"? An arrow is lethal, a bullet is lethal, a knife is lethal. The purpose of a weapon is singular, and the better it does that, the better it is as a weapon. "Hey, look, that new bomb is too effective, it kills people, do you think you could make it so it still kills people, but kills them a bit less. Y'know, kinda not killing them, while still killing them?" - yeah NAH.
"Oh, let's fill a cannister with firecrackers and Styrofoam peanuts. Our enemy will have a Helluva time getting those chips off their combat gear!" (lol)
Well think of Nuclear Weapons. They're arguably much killer than they should be. I mean, if they ever start flying, there'll be enough of them to wipe out life on Earth. Now that should certainly make you wonder if they should have been developed at all !
Their is a reason countries doesn't start firing nukes the first thing they do when in a hostile situation. But according to your logic that's what they should do.
100% not a vacuum bomb. Nothing about it creates less than atmospheric pressure. All it does is disperse a fuel over an area, then ignites it, creating a shock wave. A positive pressure wave, because that's how bombs work. There is no sucking of air or reduction in pressure. It does use the surrounding oxygen to burn the dispersed fuel, but if you are close enough to be in the dispersion area, oxygen is the last of your concerns. The fireball and shockwave ripping you to pieces is a bit more of an issue.
@@rogerwilco5918 Nothing is being sucked up. Fuel is dispersed in a near stoichiometric ratio and ignited. The fuel uses the oxygen it is touching, it can't magically pull it from somewhere. There is no mechanism to create a vacuum. It using oxygen instead of the bomb bringing its own oxidizer doesn't make a vacuum, either. Please ask a physics teacher for clarification if you still don't understand. I wish the media would.
^this. Dark channel has been pushing too much content lately and the quality seems to be suffering IMO. “Supercharged AH1Z” literally a turbine engine, no supercharger and then saying the Gatling gun is fixed. Now this one seems rushed on the b-roll more than others and the writing is trying to hit all those keywords to make the algorithm like it like vacuum bomb..
4:25 “On October 11th, only four days after the official declaration of war on Afghanistan…” Do you think we should remind him that the United States has not officially declared war since World War II?
I really love your channel, but something in this video was off. The music was way too over-the-top and loud, and I didn’t really get to see much footage of the actual bomb exploding.
I agree about the music, towards the end it got even louder, about the bomb though Putin has one similar except his is designed to explode above ground, which ever I don't want to be in either's range.
Yeah, I kind of felt the same way. I believe it was the music, just didn't quite fit the script and was a little loud at times But I don't know if it was the propaganda that was involved or semi propaganda, Hell who knows anymore! I mean it's all BullShit an Propaganda, especially to those out there that think's it's propaganda. You know what I mean Captain CowBoy. I mean it's hard to teach people to get out of the rain when it doesn't rain, know what I mean. Well anyhow, y'all out there have a Blessed Day an enjoy what you have an daydream for what you don't have or work harder One, Over an Out
I have been hovering around entertainment industry for years, and you have one of the best voice-over artistes I've heard, it's difficult to convey information, with urgency and he does very well, but not all the time, every time I watch one of your videos I'm impressed with the research and writing, you guys have a good team, I'm starting my own channel, commenting on other channels, not to increase subs, more like why did you shoot that, and B-Roll is your friend, oh, btw, I did subscribe.
@@holyhero259 You might want to look into being a nicer person, especially since the comment was a compliment for our narrator. Your words go the other direction. Did you ever consider that maybe English could be their second language? I'm sure there are plenty of other things that you can't do well... including being a tolerant and pleasant person with enough discernible intellect to read between the harmless commas.
The info provided is incorrect as it contained a mix of data and images of very different weapons. Basically, a hodgepodge collection of anything massive, but non-nuclear, going BOOM near, on, or under the ground.
at 4:00 in the video an incorrect statement is made. There never was an official declaration of war in Afghanistan. I guess you mean when the president launched operation enduring Freedom. We first bombed Afghanistan in 1999 after the Tanzanian and Kenya embassy bombings, and no one called that a war. What is also interesting is North Korea wasn't known to have any nuclear stockpiles until their first detonated bomb in 2006. Up until then a guy named John Bolton was in charge of making sure they didn't get nuclear weapons.
It's a big Daisy Cutter with a penetrator. Daisy Cutters, aka Commando Vault, (thermobaric weapons) were first used in 1970 in Vietnam for producing helicopter landing zones in heavy jungle. The 15,000 lb. BLU-82 was dropped from a C-130, being too large for conventional bombers to carry and would clear a 260 ft diameter circle. Far from "new" tech. HMX (octogen, C4H8N8O8) is a dry explosive, in contrast to the GSX in the BLU-82, but otherwise the same principle and delivery, just bigger. The BLU-82 creates a 1000 psi overpressure at ground zero, sufficient to shear an 8 ft diameter tree at the base. Called "Daisy Cutter" because with the 38" standoff detonator it would clear the above mentioned helicopter LZ without making a crater.
The BLU-82 was designed to be dropped from a B-36 but after they were retired they were modified to be dropped from helicopters and transport aircraft.
Thermobaric weapons were already developed by an Austrian scientist in WWII, of course not in the perfection of present day, but the principle was recognized and applied.
There's two things: One of which was you pictured a bomb dropped by a Strike Eagle, and then some picture of a bomb dropped out of a cargo plane, which was the Moab. Was the Moab supposed to be the same thing, only obviously bigger? Years ago there was a Scientific American article about an implosion bomb, but I thought it was more of a shaped charge kind of thing. I seem to recall that for nuclear weapons there is the blast pressure followed by an inward wind to fill the void caused by the explosion. Is this one two punch kind of thing what earned the vacuum name?
I believe that the mother of all bombs AKA M.O.A.B. is a fuel air bomb... So not the same. Welcome to declassified with redactions...that is the reports we get on this channel. Much info will never be declassified.
Thermobaric is literally hot air pressure. Anywhere you have an explosion that displaces the air in the environment, you will get a rebound of air back into the displaced area. This pressure differential at the mouth of a cave system will probably ring if not collapse the heads of anyone inside the cave, though delta-p in the right circumstances can vaporize its victims too.
The moab is very big boom, as the name suggests. The blu118b is a penetrator bomb, so a smaller bomb and smaller boom, but after punching through a lot of stones or concrete.
All the design, calculations, planning and money to get a precise release for a specific target... and the pilots just delay at the last second so they can get a better view, because as they alway do. 🤔 wow, brilliant.
Please reconsider playing music along with your presentation, for those of us with hearing problems it greatly detracts from the quality of an otherwise wonder video.
Heck the fourth image in google search is of an F-15 dropping BLU-118s in Afghanistan. I don't know why he is constantly using incorrect imagery/videos. It'd only take a few extra minutes to make sure it's correct. It's just poor production values.
Regardless of whether this information is classified, or had been declassified, HOW did you obtain it, and why would you disseminate it on a public social media site? What makes you think regular people would even need to know about this (especially twenty+ years after the fact)?
We Brits unilaterally, but simultaneously, developed this type of bomb in the mid 1990s. I know because I was one of 5131 BD Squadron EOD team leaders at the time, and we Brits unleashed it in Afghanistan at the mouths of the caves in order to kill, by shockwave, overpressure or asphyxiation, the terrorists hidden deep inside, because bunker buster bombs couldn’t do it…
It depend on how or where the bombs are used. The Russian tos heavy flamethrowers are banned according to the Geneva convention because of a lack of accuracy.
Moab was not a thermobaric bomb it was an enhanced blast bomb. It just exploded slower to keep the pressure higher longer (similar to daisy cutter). But the main thing was it's sheer size. It didn't use air as the oxidizer so it didn't consume it. It was all blast. Thermobaric have more fuel than oxidizer therefore consuming air. MOAB used H6 (no HMX).
You'd be justified if you attacked the people who attacked you, instead your american army used the situation to gain more power and funding, but towards a war to get profits not really justice. Thats why some republicans always voted against giving benefits to survivors of 9/11 and the firefighters etc... They got money for war, but not to start paying what THEY owe, its always about what "the people owe its government" as if your government is keeping peace, yet you're more afraid than ever...😂
If you are referencing the bomb called MOAB “mother of all bombs” it was tested at Eglin Air Force Base in Florida not in Arizona I remember the day well it rattled The walls of the machine shop where I worked in Fort Walton. It was written up in the local newspaper. They even have a display of the bomb at the at Eglin Air Force Base museum.
The GBU-43B MOAB (Massive Ordnance Air Blast) is just a specific model of thermobaric bomb in the US arsenal. It's first test was in 2003, a year after the BLU-118 B (the subject of this video) was already used in the field. 2 different weapons, same basic technology.
I'm confused, was it the MOAB or some other weapon designed to penetrate deep into the earth? I thought it was some other weapon, but we keep seeing images of the MOAB. Was that filled with the same stuff, but for detonation above ground? anyone clear this up? Edit, ha, I should have read the comments first, seems many other have the same issue!
MOAB used in the killing of terrorist, was in a harden case to aggressively penetrate the cave openings before detonation. As stated in one of the other comments the massive explosion sucks air out and then sucks air back in, for true affectively killing most humans in the process. If I remember there were earthquakes caused by the amount of tonnage dropped in this massive cave complex but of course we know somehow bin Laden left the area before it all took place probably leaked information but in the end he got his due hell
My understanding is MOAB = "Massive Ordinance, Air Blast", so it is designed to explode above the ground. The video footage is indeed confusing. They designed a ground and concrete penetrating bomb, using old 155mm artillery barrels as the casing, which was very effective, but I don't remember the designation or the particulars. Pretty sure it's not what this video was discussing though.
Your documentaries are the history we are never told I am near 50 and I never knew some of this stuff and I like that I can go investigate further this is what schools need to have in the classroom and we need more of this stuff about all parts of history amazing content it's good and factual keep up the good work
Reason is, it is a bunch of false claims illustrated by incoherent footage that doesn't reven show what he is claiming. This channel is truly a shitshow.
I subscribe to all your channels. Interesting content. I'm getting 4 notices of upcoming videos for each video. That turns off your most dedicated viewers. "Serenity now!"
I get a bunch of notifications as well. One notification for the same video from each channel name plus the original notification. 5 notifications one video.
'Thought your viewers would like to know: I believe thermobaric bombs are not meant to be very strong structurally and, in fact, don't penetrate the ground. They can create much more explosive force per unit of weight because they rely on the atmosphere for the oxidizer which takes up much mass and volume in traditional explosives. consequently. Hence, they are referred to as having fuel air explosives. Going into the ground would prevent efficient operation since it needs atmospheric oxygen to work. The destruction they cause is due to widely dispersed over-pressure. The images you have illustrate this world. hence they do not punch into a cave but rather fall in disperse their fuel and detonate. Weapons such as the famed British earthquake bomb World War II would actually penetrate deep into the ground carrying conventional explosive and then explode setting up a shockwave that could then collapse nearby targets without a direct hit. Thanks!
Remember the vacuum effect, as they suck the air in and explode it uses all the oxygen in the chamber. Anyone that doesn’t die is suffocated within minutes as there is no oxygen. Suffocation takes place faster because the heart rates of all the people in complex are raised ….
When I was an Ordinaceman in the USN, we had a weapon we stored in the aft magazines called FAE which stands for Fuel Air Explosives. I attended a training class which explained it's function. It was Napalm. We just didn't use that term anymore. But it's basically jet fuel mixed with dish liquid. The fuel burned, the dish liquid made it stick to surfaces. We offloaded the weapons and they never returned. They had been mothballed at the time. Not going to lie, I didn't miss them. Just being around them made me want to take a shower. Ugly weapons.
dish liquid ? Napalm AKA the sticky death was made from gelling powder that was composed of naphthalene and palmitate and gasoline to form a sticky combustible substance
I'm not sure how explosive napalm is, I'm betting there is another part of the ordinance that is an explosive with its purpose being to disperse the napalm. The 'fuel air' bit is because explosives generally include the oxidizer as part of the mix whereas fuel air bombs use the air, that's why they're normally some kind of aerosol or particulate cloud kinda thing, you can't get the kind of burn rates needed for an explosion without the air being mixed with the fuel. I don't think you could aerosolize napalm, at least not very easily.
@@maximusX_ I'm betting if you looked at ingredients of dish liquid you'd find those or something very similar. FYI, if you dissolve a lot of Styrofoam in gasoline, you get a kind of napalm like substance that looks really cool when it burns. It's really amazing how much will dissolve, you can just keep feeding it in and it just disappears.
Fuel air, or themobaric weapons have a characteristic two stage explosive output, first dispersion of the fuel in the air, then after mixing with the oxygen in the air, detonation. You can see this characteristic pattern in explosions in films from the Vietnam war where fuel air bombs were first used.
Like others I too am a bit confused on the whole "thermobaric" bomb discussed vs. the footage of "MOAB" used in the video. Was that just for the B-roll to fill the screen or are you saying they are one in the same weapon? I tried looking at other comments to see if this was already answered but I didn't seem to find a good explanation at the time of me writing this. Love these 'Mini-Doc" you do and your other channel, thanks!
Wow, I've perused wiki and it's strange it almost seems like it's trying to confuse this issue. It talks about MOAB in the thermobaric bomb entry but clearly does NOT say it is one. The MOAB entry never says it's a thermobaric bomb but mentions Russia's answer to MOAB, the mother of all bombs, was the 'father of all bombs', but that one IS thermobaric. MOAB uses 'composition H6' as its explosive, which if you look up says it's 44% RDX, 29.5% TNT, and 21% powdered aluminum. I think the aluminum is what makes it thermobaric-like even if not technically thermobaric. I'm just guessing, maybe a thermobaric bomb implies it's primarily the non-explosive bits that make the majority of the blast whereas MOAB the aluminum only enhances the size of the explosion.
@@jmk1727 Do you think what I said is way off? MOAB is a specific ordnance whereas 'thermobaric bomb' is a type, the MOAB may or may not be one. I was just curious and got more so after reading wiki. Wiki is pretty good in general, stuff like that isn't the kind that gets screwed up all that often.
@@fonzarelly8011 It's not old, first tested 2003, not sure what you're talking about. That said, a bomb is a bomb, if it works, it'll be in inventory for a long time, hell, look at the B-52s that drop a lot of them.
Yes it burns up the O2 in the air, but only w/in a blast radius where the overpressure & heat's already 100% deadly, so calling it a "vacuum bomb" etc. is kinda dubious IMO The point is to be more efficient b/c the fuel doesn't have to include its own O2 so it's 4x stronger or w/e for the same size
This video does not mention two important facts I recall from reports around that time. 1) SEAL teams had Osama Bin Laden in sight and under surveillance in Afghanistan and asked permission to take Bin Laden captive. Mysteriously permission was denied. 2) Shortly after the bombing there was a major earthquake in the region where many villagers were killed and injured. The survivors complained that they had never had an earthquake in that area.
Hey Dark, I thoroughly enjoy all of your contents, and I just want to say, I think this one is especially outstandingly done. This deserves more than 7 million views.
Beautiful piece of tech that can handle bunkers and tunnel complexes. Frightening how good we are at making such complex weaponry and use our knowledge of maths, physics and chemistry in so many ways. Also the one in the video you talked about was MOAB , biggest thermobaric bomb of the U.S. which was used in Afghanistan on a deep underground complex tunnel system for the ISIS cell there as the target.
I read about the early thermobaric weapons the Germans were planning on using against the Allies. It would have made D-Day a terrible battle; but the weather was not very cooperate, and they either couldn't use it or it fizzled.
The first F-15A flight was made in July 1972, and the first flight of the two-seat F-15B (formerly TF-15A) trainer was made in July 1973. The first Eagle (F-15B) was delivered in November 1974. In January 1976, the first Eagle destined for a combat squadron was delivered. The single-seat F-15C and two-seat F-15D models entered the Air Force inventory beginning in 1979. Get your facts straight I worked on these.
Interesting, we have The BLU-129 now! "The Aerial Sniper" I noticed you mentioned one of The BLU-118B missed its target, The BLU-129 is extremely accurate! I wonder if The BLU-129 could be fitted with a Thermobaric Vacuum Warhead??
@@ProbablyYoMama they're testing The BLU-129 for different missions and warheads different than originally intended/planned, that's what made me put the two together so to speak👍
Its shocking how misleading this video is. I majored in chemistry so I know the "Science" behind the explosives mentioned, so I am able to say that PBXIH-135 is standard plastic explosives combined with aluminum to increase burn temperature. Of course there are also other ingredients but I will not be naming them and polyurethane is not one of them. Secondly it is highly unlikely they used HMX as it is way to unstable and friction sensitive to be used in a high yield thermobaric bomb (RDX would be a better one). Thirdly the majority of the bombs that he shows pictures of are from MOAB ( a high yield air burst munition) or of the JDAM series (although BLU-118/B does fit in this category but there are no photos of it shown in this video). The photo with the forklift is most likely from the BLU-116 or 113 series. (my guess is probably the GBU-57). Finally the bomb they dropped on the cave system (in 2001 I believe) was the 15000lb BLU-82, and various other munitions as well. Have to say though, nailed the theatrics.
Given that the US has 252 F 15's you could have at least used vid from one of them. Instead you used a Israeli Air Force F-15 not to mention the Israeli tank......
Given that we don’t have video for public release of the event, you would think the use of stock footage would be assumed. Do you actually think RUclips videos are going to contain exact footage of actual military hardware all the time? They use what they can get. The U.S. has approximately 218 F-15Es (the aircraft in question), not 265 as you imply. The U.S. has approximately 88 F-15Cs active (123 ANG) which can’t deliver this kind of ordinance. See. Being detailed goes both ways. Don’t demand it from others if you aren’t yourself.
@@matthewgaines10 The open source info stated 265 originally in service. Also I am not getting paid to put vid's up. That is not my "job". Either be professional and show you have done the work or just be a too bit hack. If it's just a hack job that's done don't be surprised if people then start to doubt the actual info provided is valid.
the only problem with these videos is how loud the music is, i can barely hear your voice at times
You mean besides the frequent mistakes and weird stock imagery/video that isn't really related to the topic. I still enjoy them anyways. Just fact check if something seems out of wack.
I sometimes miss the old videos where it’s just subtitles to groovy music
Exactly it's total background bullst
Personally, it is because these videos are full of shit that idiots believe.
But the music in the intro was nice
I remember reading about that bomb. When it went off, suddenly there was a HUGE spike in cellphone use in Afghanistan, with Afghans asking "What was that?" and some speculating if it was a nuke.
Thermobaric vacuum bomb, or fuel air explosive, when dropped like a nuke, looks like one, but leaves no radiation.
The International Community was *OUTRAGED!!!!!!*
@@jonothandoeser Oh well. So sad, too bad. Poke the bear with a stick and see what happens (it won't be pleasant).
@@jonothandoeser and yet every red blooded American like myself, just sat back and smiled.
@@knot289 Why did you smile? The WORLD has judged your weapon to be UNACCEPTABLE!.
A gifted scientist from Vietnam helps the US develop a weapon that will take out people in tunnels. If that isn't irony, I don't know what is.
"If you wanna catch a thief..."
@@mile3018
iron without letter y makes the iron lady.
they didn't help on the one in this video
Ya, tell that to the Tunnel Rats in the U.S. Army.
Worked alongside one of the ex Royal Marines who was part of the clearance team sent into that cave complex to ferret them out. It all got very medieval inside that labyrinth. To say he was disturbed by what he had been sent to do (and very successfully completed) is an understatement. His head will never recover and in dark moments he's still underground completing that task hand to hand. Not clear how many they killed but a bit of him died in those caves. Brave lad.
And in the end, for nothing
@@AllrightNOR
It's never for nothing.
@@AllrightNORNope. He fought for his brothers, and they fought for him. It is never for nothing.
@@KhreamedKhorne They shouldn't have been there in the first place
@@AllrightNORwell that’s beside the point, kiddo. At that moment it was be there, and protect ur brothers.
Thermobaric and FAB (fuel air bomb) are similar in that they both use available atmospheric oxygen to combust fuels. FAB's traditionally uses liquid fuels, while Thermobaric uses a dry fuel mix. Both types have been around for some time. Today the most powerful Thermobarics are MOAB (USA) and FOAB (Russia).
Both type of bombs have advantages over typical high explosive munitions. Since high explosives need an oxidizer, 2/3 of weight is oxidizer. However, since FAB's and Thermobaric's use available oxygen, they can have 2/3 more explosive fuels (wet or dry).
Both types have a 2 stage process to disperse then ignite the fuels after they mix with air. Since they use oxygen in the atmosphere, if they are used in enclosed spaces, they will use up all the oxygen. Enemy not killed outright from explosion can suffocate and die from asphyxiation.
Both types produce a very high pressure initial blast wave. This pushes air out in all directions, creating a partial vacume. Temperatures within burning fuels can reach thousands of degree. A similar high pressure concussion is produced when air rushes back towards blast vacume.
All bombs kill in similar fashion. Direct damage to body, damage to internal organs, damage to lungs, damage to brain. Many times, there are no external indications of blast injuries, yet is just as fatal.
Video was a little mislead. It named the right bomb, but showed MOAB in error. One weighs 1,927 lbs, the other 21,600 lbs. They have only dropped MOAB once on a target in war. It requires a cargo plane with a rear opening ramp to deliver. The other smaller bomb can be dropped by a number of different aircraft.
Thank you, Steven for a very informative explanation of the ordinance.
they have been using them since the mid 1960's. the daisy cutter is a liquid fuel variant they dropped in vietnam to clear landing zones for helicopters.
The page does rush to produce content and mistakes like this are made ALL THE TIME on here.
Dropping a large Fuel/Air explosive bomb to slide into a large cave complex before exploding would actually result in a reduced blast (less air for the fuel/air mix) but with a enhanced blast effect (as the tunnel restricts the shock wave, sort of like throwing a explosive change into a enclosed room) and a much longer burn time (more unburnt fuel left over from the initial explosion) to consume the oxygen in the cave complex. Keep in mind that no vacuum is generated during this burn because the consumed oxygen is replace by the fuel generated combustion products, so the description of a 'vacuum' bomb is false. Partial vacuum can be generated when the air from the initial explosion instantly starts to cool and contract. Blast effect is caused by the initially ignition moves through the air/fuel mix at supersonic speed (this is the difference between a explosive and a burn where the flame front does not exceed supersonic speeds with no shock wave generated from a supersonic wave front). If you are close enough to be effected by the air cooling vacuum, chances are that your internal organs have already been liquified from the initial blast.
The blast effect is the same for conventional explosives. Its just that there is less fuel component since the oxidizer component must be contained in the original explosive.
@@mongeauxxx
BLU-82 I believe..... for the daisy cutter.
People angry that a bomb was "too lethal."
Dear God, smh.
I know. Unreal.
What does "smh" mean?
@@Svensk7119 Shake my head
@@jasbonkers520 Thanks.
smh my head
That thumbnail pic is an original FAE test from way back.
It’s an iconic picture. Amazing camera work back then. It was much harder than now.
What's an FAE?
Thumbs up to the lady from Vietnam. We need more people like you in the wars to come.
Thermobaric weapons have been used for a long time. Russians used them in Afghanistan in the '80's, as both aircraft and man portable rocket launchers. The U.S. used them in Desert Storm. The difference between those weapons, and this one, is the penetration vessel. The others, with a couple exceptions, are intended for out door use. If it looks kind of like a nuke going off, but no radiation, thermobaric weapon.
They are always trying to rewrite history to their liking! I am over 50 and I watched the supposed 911 attacks and the supposed collapse of the north and south towers! And then building 7 after 8 hours of the supposed fires in the building! They the government of the United States of America killed all those people foe the ability to implement the Patriot Act!
I always wonder if there was a alternative to nuclear that would not leave radiations
@Dr. Bright I consider a nuclear weapon without *any* fallout a hoax.
Neutron bomb has the blast of an a bomb radiation spread like a thermonuclear bomb
@Dr. Bright Neutron bomb is the closest. But there is still radiation in there area. Supposed to decay quickly, though.
A weapons job is to be lethal. As long as its controlled so it avoids unnecessary civilian causalities and doesnt cause unnecessary and prolonged suffering. It's fine.
I think trouble starts when they eventually (and inevitably) do become used on civilians. In any war civilians become legitimate targets once it reaches a certain point of totality.
@@awwtergirl7040 That is a salient point. That is why it is important to avoid war if at all possible, and the only way we as a species have figured out how to do that is to make the prospect of war so horrifying that nobody undertakes it e.g. MAD. As a second point, war doesn't have rules for the losing side. The Taliban have been using white phosphorus from the start, and that is against many international conventions.
@@awwtergirl7040 then every weapon would be illegal in war
Exactly, I've tried researching the media hype and terror about fuel air bombs, but the talking point is that ~'the splody is so strong that it's not safe to be hit by one', and I'm like, uhh, you know how bombs work, right?
@@mattstyles2498 I get the point, but WMDs go both ways. Some people can be trusted with them more then others, but there's always a question if it will stay that way decades or centuries ahead and a even bigger question if the weapons might become standard use as more people hear about them
I absolutely love the content that is produced here, however I feel as though this video missed the mark of what should be considered an acceptable quality. Blasting background music, typos, abnormally incorrect background footage, and mistakes in the information provided... I watch everything y'all make and love it which is why I feel it important to make note of such things. Please keep up the work that y'all are doing!
Sounds like you're nit picking on free content...just enjoy why complain
I definitely agree brother that if it's worth doing it's worth doing well and you're going to have people say hey it's free content why are you crying well I'm crying because if it's worth doing it's worth doing well.
@@unholybees See above.
Do it yourself then?
This is a very positive critique, and I also agree with this positive criticism. Appreciate you @Choconilla ...... to the naysayers STFU and quit looking at the world through a single, narrow lens. You focus on this comment being a criticism but not the type of. Ignoring the nuance and place that what is being conveyed, comes from.
I talked to a navy corpsman attached to a marine division during the original desert storm in the 90's. He said they used cargo planes, specifically the C-130, modified to drop what looked like a huge 55- gallon drum with fins attached at the ends, only many times bigger, that only one could be carried at a time. It would fall from the aircraft spewing fuel in a spiral type fashion in a specific pattern, then ignite the fuel. It would cause a MASSIVE rush of air creating an implosion that they felt even 10 miles away. It also created a mushroom cloud, prompting the commander to call base asking if they had missed the Jackrabbit call. Jackrabbit was the call sign to tell everyone to get the hell out, we were going nuclear. When they would arrive after to the areas the bombs were used on, he said you couldnt even tell how many it had killed as it ripped them into pieces, inside out. Arms here, lungs over there, etc. He said in all the warfare he ever saw, those scenes were the worst ever, even worse than nightmares. 20 years later, he could still see the remains when he closed his eyes and thought about it. It killed EVERYTHING, dogs, birds, bugs, plants, everything be it above ground, in an armored vehicle, or underground. 30 years later, we have them even bigger, more powerful than small hydrogen bombs. Scary sheet. But Russia supposedly has them too. I would hate to be in Ukraine right now.
Truly horrific. Yet despite the negative aspects, it is effective.
If only we could spend the same energy to fix the world instead of destroy it.
Russia wouldn't use those kind of weapons against their own people, Ukranians are russians, the US on the other hand are capable of anything, I'm sure the US military won't hesistate using any kind of weapon, it was the US that used nuclear stuff in Japan after all...
One of the many crimes of the us
@@Erin-Thor what a pragmatic comment...
Penetrating six feet of concrete is old hat. By the end of WW2, seventy odd years ago, there were bunker busters that would penetrate sixTEEN feet of reinforced concrete.
I looked it up on a military site and it says "more than 6m (20ft.)".
The tall boy could go through over 4 meters, (if dropped from optimal height it would hit the ground at 750mph) while the grand slam could penetrate 6 meters……
If we're bringing WW2 into it, a 16" navy battleship round could reportedly penetrate 37' of reinforced concrete.
@@elultimo102 News to me. Can you cite any source for that? It would be quite contradictory for the Brits to be working on bunker busters, if all they needed to do was drop a 16" warhead from the US inventory.
@@lyfandeth I heard that 37' figure in my youth. I'm not sure if it was a war picture or a documentary, but I kind of have a B&W image associated with it. But that was for H.E. penetration, rather than thermobaric.
Thanks for the giant red arrow and circle in the thumbnail. I almost missed it without that.
Dear Dark Tech,
I served as an air munitions specialist (MOS/AFSC-46270) in the USAF for nearly 7 years and we NEVER referred to the BLU as "blue". We called them "Bee-El-You", just like each letter is said. I loaded hundreds of BLU-1Bs in Vietnam and elsewhere and I know no one who ever called them "blue".
Interesting to see your comment. As a current Weapons troop (2W1) of 17 years, I have only ever heard and referred to them as "blue". I'll have to ask my old 462 pals if they saw a move from one to the other over the years.
That’s only relevant to you guys not to us civvies
The guys that put together these "documentaries" using nothing but stock footage aren't the smartest "bee-you-el-bees" in the box. They probably steal text from a articles to use as their scripts.
Well, why didn't you call them "Blue"?! Lol. Seems like a missed opportunity.
Was "Blue" already the term for something else? Cuz that's the only excuse I could see for not calling a BLU a "Blue".
@@oriangalore I disagree. You wouldn't call an F-111 an F-one-one-one. Correct nomenclature is relevant to everyone.
Just to show the history of the vacuum bomb correctly:
The first attempts occurred during the First World War when incendiary shells (in German 'Brand Granate') used a slow but intense burning material, such as tar impregnated tissue and gunpowder dust. These shells burned for approximately 2 minutes after the shell exploded and spread the burning elements in every direction.[22] In the Second World War the German Wehrmacht attempted to develop a vacuum bomb, using the Austrian physicist Mario Zippermayr.
The Idea was not new and again the Germans was the first who had it.
albeeit they were the nazis.
@@mattiasheron facts are unemotional
The fact is that the Wehrmacht used thermobaric grenades or rockets in their Nebelwerfers and other platforms against Russian forces back in WW2. The story is (read it in several different books) they were trying these out and it had such devastating effects on human bodies an therefore the troops, Russians sent a message to the Germans that if they won't stop using these, they will retaliate with chemical weapons...
@@mattiasheron So? The whole West/NATO is supporting such groups with exactly the same ideology only in a different country this very moment, sending them money and weapons, giving their leader all kind of medals and stuff...but you felt obliged to mention something that happened more than 70 years ago?
Thermobaric weapons have existed since WW1 in some form. The US used them in Vietnam. The Soviets used them extensively in Afghanistan in the 1980's. The Chinese developed their own in the 1990's. The only thing "new" is this particular bomb, but the type of bomb it is and the mechanics behind it have been in use for over 100 years.
Fuel-air devices were used liberally against the Communist forces that were starting to overwhelm Phnom Pehn in 1975. They took out large swaths of Khmer Rouge in open areas.
If you're going to make a documentary about a thermabaric vacuum bomb you might want to explain what that is somewhere in the video. Also the fact that it can be used as an indiscriminate antipersonnel mass destruction weapon is relevant. Exploded above ground troops it uses so much oxygen that it suffocates anyone under and around the explosion.
You know there's a whole bunch of extra air on earth that fills an empty void REALLY fast...
@@daveyjones8969 Not before your lungs escape your body.
@@thethpian That's not suffocation, that's having your lungs blown out...and they would EXplode, not get sucked out of you with a thermobaric bomb. They create a positive pressure wave, bursting eardrums etc.
I don't know what you think a "vacuum bomb" is but that's not how explosions work. They don't violently suck air IN, it's energy blasted OUT, in all circumstances.
I remember when they were testing some absolutely insanely huge fuel/air thermobarics when I was training for Desert Storm (1989).
Some of them topped out at 15000lbs and had to be dropped from cargo transports rather than bombers. When they went off they would create a mushroom cloud and a knee bending shockwave through the ground five miles away. We never directly watched them tested, they was always a mountain ridge between our position and the test range, but even with that barrier it sounded like a 250lb bomb hitting a klick away.
I don't know the composition, but scuttlebutt had it as a mix of fuels in a two stage setup. The first, largest, explosion would aerosolize the fuel - up to 15000lbs of it! - and a second incendiary detonation would ignite the fuel sucking all of the breathable air from a 'subterranean shelter network' more than a kilometer deep (i.e. 1000 meters or more of direct tunnel and ancillary volume, not tunnels 1000 meters below ground).
Thank you. That would have been awesome to watch in person. Kind of makes us humans look rather small when you feel the blast and see a mushroom cloud thousands of feet tall.
I saw a brief clip on tv, I think it may have been a promotional film by the weapons company, of something similar to what you describe. It was a big bomb dropped from a large aircraft. It fell for a while then it exploded scattering aerosol containers fizzing out dark fuel droplets, creating an umbrella of fuel/air mixture over the target. Then there was another flash and the whole thing ignited.
@@michaelcaffery5038 Thanks, definitely an air burst bomb type (FAE, TBX, and others) It is amazing the precision required to disperse, then ignite split second later.
The munitions come in varying sizes from small, medium, large, and mutha frikin huge. Ask any woman, she will tell you size really does matter - LOL. (in bombs that is).
Better living through chemistry
@@Jesusprayerwarriorbw Thanks... Better Living Through Better Chemistry depends on what side of Thermobaric's you are.
Guys dropping them out back of C-130's love it, terrorists getting turned into red soup not so much.
If it doesn't kill you instantly, be patient. Blast lung, blast brain, blast other internals are just now kicking in. Not a single mark outside body, mush inside.
The big red bomb is a MOAB bomb. Its a traditional explosive, albeit very huge. And it sure as hell aint gonna be dropped by an F-15. Its dropped out the back of a cargo plane like the clip depicted. The thermobaric bomb mentioned here is smaller in size, but has “bunker busting” capability before it detonates. It then atomizes the air with an explosive mixture and when that mixture ignites it does two things: 1) it creates a huge blast wave and 2) it super heats the air, vaporizing everything in its path (well, everything that can be burned obviously).
Also, the part where oxygen gets sucked out of their lungs.
@@saulgoodman7858 not really. You’d be dead from the initial blast wave or the intense heat that followed. Whatever happens after that is moot: the damage has been done.
I'd be curious to see how they actually work. I don't see it "sucking air" out of your lungs or oxygen. That would be like a nearby fire taking oxygen out of your lungs from across a room. I'm no expert, nor do I pretend to be one. But I have a guess as to how they work. I suspect they have two explosions. One just before impact. And it spreads the currently non flammable mix into the air above the ground so it can spread out and mix with the air. Then I'm guessing once the "stoichiometry" (the minimal mix of air/oxygen and fuel).. has mixed it then explodes and creates the larger blast. But I'm also guessing it consumes just the oxygen in the radius of where it mixed tho. So when I hear about it sucking oxygen out of tunnels I have a hard time wrapping my head around that. Many tunnels don't have a whole lot of oxygen there to begin with. Back in Vietnam days they invented some of the first air fuel bombs to destroy deeply tunneled enemies. They had to basically mix gas and oxygen and pump the tunnels full of it and blow them that way by pumping the explosive gas in and pushing regular air out. Anyways I'd like to see it explained some day
@NaN that's what I said isn't it. I clearly said it can't "suck" anything. My theory is that the initial bomb goes off. It has just enough oxidizer in it to scatter the thermobaric mix. And as it expands it mixes with air, and then yes it too goes off. And as it does it spreads the rest even further and as it mixes with air it too goes off. So it makes for a long pressure wave bomb that don't need to carry it own oxidizer. And yes aluminum is used in flash powder, all sorts of things. Aluminum is just one of many termite metals than can be added to fuel them. Actually powder aluminum and fertilizer is basically what tannerite is. I was asking tho how it's said they can drain the oxygen out of a cave. Maybe the blast forces the mix down into them? I just don't see how it drains the oxygen from them without the mix ever getting down into them
@NaN and my word stoichiometry is the exact name for the science of fuel air mix btw. It won't burn until the amount of anything is mixed. Like even flour can combust like a bomb. But you have to light it while it's hanging in the air just right. Anything that has carbohydrates can be made into a bomb of sorts this way thru stoichiometry
I have to admit this video is a little confusing. The MOAB is an enhanced tnt explosive. 18000 pounds of tnt with aluminum powder accelerant. It is not thermobaric. Thermobaric is an air fuel explosive. The MOAB was an updated daisy cutter and detonates above ground in a similar fashion.
correct this kid is full of sht, none of his graphics match the discourse, infact its so crapy, I suspect this is a C_A missinfo channel ?
The MOAB is technically a Hyperbaric weapon. The Aluminum and Magnesium dust act as blast multipliers that do consume all the O2, BUT do not have a sustained incendiary effect like the Thermobaric bomb has.
The music is too loud. Couldn’t understand the narration
Thank you Ms Duong!
It is immigrants like you, that have given so much to this country, that makes me glad to say that I am an American. Its what our entire country was founded on.
It is so disheartening to know that so many have lost sight of this fact
Every time u are talking about Thermobaric Bombs U are showing Moab.
Although similar role but the Moab can't be carried by F15e strike eagle.
Moab was carried only by C130's.
The test video and thumbnail are not a thermobaric weapon, it is a FAE-II. A former colleague of mine worked on that program, and was at that particular test. This test was conducted at China Lake. The shock wave from that test turned the hardpan at the test site into loose powder. The shock wave also reflected off an inversion layer and broke windows out in town (specifically mentioned the old Albertson's).
I confirm
an FAE is by definition a thermobaric device: fuel rich with oxidizer still qualifies. versus, moab, foab, etc. which are advanced blast explosives with less to no oxidizer; each type is designed to create a high temperature over pressure shock wave.
@@flightographist Thermobarics and FAE are two different classes of warheads with similar effects. My former colleague described thermobaric warheads as the poor man's FAE.
The difference is that thermobaric fills contain some oxidizer (if only in the primary HE compound) and a metallic fuel. FAE carry no oxidizer, and must have a period of time to slow the fuel to mix with air before the cloud dets fire. From a technical and design perspective, it is a significant difference
Yep ….. bad boy weapon… NWC was the place to in the 80’s
@@triroo107 it was still pretty interesting when I was there in the 2010's
at the end of the video, no leader makes a statement incorrectly. It’s not “United, we stand, united, we fall”.
The correct statement is, “United, we stand, DIVIDED we fall”.
I am glad someone else also caught that mistake as well.
I’m glad you put a big red circle and a big red arrow pointing at the missile I wouldn’t have seen it otherwise
Haha. I know right.
this must be the thing that a teacher i had told me about, he was a marine. he said there was a bomb that could suck all the air out of an entire city so you would just instantly suffocate or closer to the actual bomb your lungs would collapse, but basically it does the same as a nuclear bomb but it leaves all the city intact and just kills all the people.
Yup. Since he’s a former Marine, I’m assuming he was talking about the SMAW-NE “novel explosive” missile. It was the same thing but packed into an 83mm missile. Marine Corps assaultmen carried a couple of these in Iraq.
I am very happy you included the history of Nguyet Duong. She is a remarkable lady. sm
She shouldve worked on Agent Orange instead
Duong Nguyet Anh ,a Vietnamese-American-, was a team leader of scientists created that bomb. We all are proud of her service.
Yeah she looks extremely Vietnamese to me but the narrator completely butchered her name, giving the idea that she wasn’t.
Although, as a Vietnamese whose grandfather was almost blown to smithereen back in the Vietnam War. I can’t say that I’m all that proud for her archievement. It’s quite hard to gobble that up tho, it was just 40-50 years or so ago, the scars are still there.
@ It's like she has Stockholm syndrome, coming to serve ones who destroyed her country and who committed many war crimes. A true traitor.
building instruments of death for the united states isn't something to be proud of.
@ Exactly. The atrocities the US committed in Vietnam are still noticeable to this very day; high rates of birth defects and cancers as a result of their chemical warfare with things like agent orange for example. Let alone how fresh those wounds were a few decades ago. She could have tried to do something in return for her new country without actually helping to exterminate people, which would have actually been honourable.
@@pieterveenders9793 kaas kop
Just an opinion but since it's a newsmedia term, I think the title should put "vacuum" in quotes to emphasize that it's not an official term or part of its intended design.
It is definitely an accurate descriptor though, it does create a substantial low pressure area. So if you put that in quotes, you’d also have to say “vacuum” cleaner.
Doesn’t matter if it’s intended or not.
it really absolutely is part of the design though. it creates a vacuum before explosion
Lolol as they do with literally every damn thing
@@ChrisG1392 No, it doesn't. The first charge disperses the fuel in an atomized form, the second charge ignites it. There is no way it creates any kind of low pressure area during any of those events. You can even see it in endless high speed footage of bursts. Dispersal of fuel, ignition, shockwave.
Millenials... try burning fuel in a vacuum, Duhr....
I always wondered what happened to the singer of King Missile. So appropriate that he is doing narration for video documentaries about munitions that are detached, and then exploded. By the way, I am so glad that the three doctors had an intense discussion at 6:36. They really did great work there. Saved millions, and loved good wallpaper. That made me tear up.
"...but it proved so lethal people wondered if it should have been developed at all." - umm, it's a WEAPON, it is intended to KILL, so how can it be "too lethal"? An arrow is lethal, a bullet is lethal, a knife is lethal. The purpose of a weapon is singular, and the better it does that, the better it is as a weapon.
"Hey, look, that new bomb is too effective, it kills people, do you think you could make it so it still kills people, but kills them a bit less. Y'know, kinda not killing them, while still killing them?" - yeah NAH.
"Oh, let's fill a cannister with firecrackers and Styrofoam peanuts. Our enemy will have a Helluva time getting those chips off their combat gear!" (lol)
😂it's not like we don't have nukes. Sounds like a lawyer was involved. They also have 40mm version
Well think of Nuclear Weapons. They're arguably much killer than they should be. I mean, if they ever start flying, there'll be enough of them to wipe out life on Earth. Now that should certainly make you wonder if they should have been developed at all !
Their is a reason countries doesn't start firing nukes the first thing they do when in a hostile situation. But according to your logic that's what they should do.
Yeah, and thermobaric is just heat and pressure. So, every bomb ever.
100% not a vacuum bomb. Nothing about it creates less than atmospheric pressure. All it does is disperse a fuel over an area, then ignites it, creating a shock wave. A positive pressure wave, because that's how bombs work. There is no sucking of air or reduction in pressure. It does use the surrounding oxygen to burn the dispersed fuel, but if you are close enough to be in the dispersion area, oxygen is the last of your concerns. The fireball and shockwave ripping you to pieces is a bit more of an issue.
It sucks up all the air during combustion.
It’s like……what happens after two sacks of White Castle onion petals.
@@rogerwilco5918 Nothing is being sucked up. Fuel is dispersed in a near stoichiometric ratio and ignited. The fuel uses the oxygen it is touching, it can't magically pull it from somewhere. There is no mechanism to create a vacuum. It using oxygen instead of the bomb bringing its own oxidizer doesn't make a vacuum, either. Please ask a physics teacher for clarification if you still don't understand. I wish the media would.
Leave to the news to call it something it isn't so they can make it sound scarier for clicks and views.
^this. Dark channel has been pushing too much content lately and the quality seems to be suffering IMO. “Supercharged AH1Z” literally a turbine engine, no supercharger and then saying the Gatling gun is fixed. Now this one seems rushed on the b-roll more than others and the writing is trying to hit all those keywords to make the algorithm like it like vacuum bomb..
I’m glad he finally slowed down his narration pace. Dude used to sound like an auctioneer.
Yes but he cranked up the level of the background music to keep the difficulty level up.
4:25 “On October 11th, only four days after the official declaration of war on Afghanistan…”
Do you think we should remind him that the United States has not officially declared war since World War II?
And despite the brilliance and ginormity of the bawm the guys in the sandals won. Worth thinking about eh?
I really love your channel, but something in this video was off. The music was way too over-the-top and loud, and I didn’t really get to see much footage of the actual bomb exploding.
I also feel like they could have explained what "thermobaric" is, or how it's extraordinary among bombs given that they used the word many times.
the "actual" footage is probably 100% classified,,,,,
@Dino Sauro propaganda ?? wow even bots are thick as fk
I agree about the music, towards the end it got even louder, about the bomb though Putin has one similar except his is designed to explode above ground, which ever I don't want to be in either's range.
Yeah, I kind of felt the same way. I believe it was the music, just didn't quite fit the script and was a little loud at times But I don't know if it was the propaganda that was involved or semi propaganda, Hell who knows anymore! I mean it's all BullShit an Propaganda, especially to those out there that think's it's propaganda. You know what I mean Captain CowBoy. I mean it's hard to teach people to get out of the rain when it doesn't rain, know what I mean. Well anyhow, y'all out there have a Blessed Day an enjoy what you have an daydream for what you don't have or work harder One, Over an Out
I have been hovering around entertainment industry for years, and you have one of the best voice-over artistes I've heard, it's difficult to convey information, with urgency and he does very well, but not all the time, every time I watch one of your videos I'm impressed with the research and writing,
you guys have a good team, I'm starting my own channel, commenting on other channels,
not to increase subs, more like why did you shoot that, and B-Roll is your friend,
oh, btw, I did subscribe.
You might want to look into periods and how to use them. Using nothing but commas makes your comment long winded
@@holyhero259 You might want to look into being a nicer person, especially since the comment was a compliment for our narrator.
Your words go the other direction.
Did you ever consider that maybe English could be their second language?
I'm sure there are plenty of other things that you can't do well... including being a tolerant and pleasant person with enough discernible intellect to read between the harmless commas.
Ummm its a stuttered forced strange inflection
The info provided is incorrect as it contained a mix of data and images of very different weapons. Basically, a hodgepodge collection of anything massive, but non-nuclear, going BOOM near, on, or under the ground.
YOU, SHOULD, ASK, HIM, OUT, BRO
Liked your video so much, I watched it twice, now and 10 months ago. Outstanding mini-documentary. Well done.
While your production value is as great as always, I felt like the background music was a bit loud and overwhelmed your voice a couple of times.
Wahhhh....
thank you much.
Distraction to say the least.
Great channel, sometimes less is more.
Music way to loud, Awesome channel(s) tho 👍🏻
agreed, I thought I had another tab playing music.
Music was just fine for me
Thank you to Dr. Nguyet Anh Duong for your contribution!
This channel is usually spot on but in this case there is so much misinformation.
Care to elaborate with the correct facts ?
Thank you for sharing Duong's story too. Makes one proud to be an American!
at 4:00 in the video an incorrect statement is made. There never was an official declaration of war in Afghanistan. I guess you mean when the president launched operation enduring Freedom. We first bombed Afghanistan in 1999 after the Tanzanian and Kenya embassy bombings, and no one called that a war. What is also interesting is North Korea wasn't known to have any nuclear stockpiles until their first detonated bomb in 2006. Up until then a guy named John Bolton was in charge of making sure they didn't get nuclear weapons.
It's a big Daisy Cutter with a penetrator. Daisy Cutters, aka Commando Vault, (thermobaric weapons) were first used in 1970 in Vietnam for producing helicopter landing zones in heavy jungle. The 15,000 lb. BLU-82 was dropped from a C-130, being too large for conventional bombers to carry and would clear a 260 ft diameter circle. Far from "new" tech. HMX (octogen, C4H8N8O8) is a dry explosive, in contrast to the GSX in the BLU-82, but otherwise the same principle and delivery, just bigger. The BLU-82 creates a 1000 psi overpressure at ground zero, sufficient to shear an 8 ft diameter tree at the base. Called "Daisy Cutter" because with the 38" standoff detonator it would clear the above mentioned helicopter LZ without making a crater.
Makes sense since the creator was a formerly Vietnamese.
The BLU-82 was designed to be dropped from a B-36 but after they were retired they were modified to be dropped from helicopters and transport aircraft.
Thermobaric weapons were already developed by an Austrian scientist in WWII, of course not in the perfection of present day, but the principle was recognized and applied.
Please, please cut back on the "DRAMA MUSIC" that accompanies the video. Very irritating!
Other than that I enjoy your work.
There's two things: One of which was you pictured a bomb dropped by a Strike Eagle, and then some picture of a bomb dropped out of a cargo plane, which was the Moab. Was the Moab supposed to be the same thing, only obviously bigger? Years ago there was a Scientific American article about an implosion bomb, but I thought it was more of a shaped charge kind of thing. I seem to recall that for nuclear weapons there is the blast pressure followed by an inward wind to fill the void caused by the explosion. Is this one two punch kind of thing what earned the vacuum name?
Agreed. Confused reporting.
I believe that the mother of all bombs AKA M.O.A.B. is a fuel air bomb... So not the same. Welcome to declassified with redactions...that is the reports we get on this channel. Much info will never be declassified.
I’m guessing one has more of that 135 shit
Thermobaric is literally hot air pressure. Anywhere you have an explosion that displaces the air in the environment, you will get a rebound of air back into the displaced area. This pressure differential at the mouth of a cave system will probably ring if not collapse the heads of anyone inside the cave, though delta-p in the right circumstances can vaporize its victims too.
The moab is very big boom, as the name suggests. The blu118b is a penetrator bomb, so a smaller bomb and smaller boom, but after punching through a lot of stones or concrete.
Without that huge red arrow and circle in the thumbnail, I would not have known what the video is about.
The red circle and arrow should be utilized by the marines, god knows some of them need it
All the design, calculations, planning and money to get a precise release for a specific target... and the pilots just delay at the last second so they can get a better view, because as they alway do. 🤔 wow, brilliant.
lol general libtard
Stay on target....
Stay on target....
Stay on target!
had to get that selfie!!
@@Zombeegun 😄👍
Yup probably been going on for years wonder how long it'll take for the engineers to figure it out.
Please reconsider playing music along with your presentation, for those of us with hearing problems it greatly detracts from the quality of an otherwise wonder video.
Agreed! the cc option works well though.
@@Allen-eq5uf You can read? Lucky bum. Sorry, caught me getting used to new trifocal lenses after cateracts removed. Pretty amazing really.
Thermobaric weapons are so interesting
So brutal!!
They are useless ! Afghanistan today is same as it was before these weapons were used
Why show images of the large MOAB when discussing the thermobaric munitions. The are plenty of BLU-118 images
Heck the fourth image in google search is of an F-15 dropping BLU-118s in Afghanistan. I don't know why he is constantly using incorrect imagery/videos. It'd only take a few extra minutes to make sure it's correct. It's just poor production values.
Regardless of whether this information is classified, or had been declassified, HOW did you obtain it, and why would you disseminate it on a public social media site? What makes you think regular people would even need to know about this (especially twenty+ years after the fact)?
We Brits unilaterally, but simultaneously, developed this type of bomb in the mid 1990s. I know because I was one of 5131 BD Squadron EOD team leaders at the time, and we Brits unleashed it in Afghanistan at the mouths of the caves in order to kill, by shockwave, overpressure or asphyxiation, the terrorists hidden deep inside, because bunker buster bombs couldn’t do it…
The "terrorists" aren't but those who call them that are.
Nobody seems to have followed up on Grand Slam, made for exactly this type of target.
It's not an illegal bomb, it's an absolutely awesome bomb! I mean these bombs can be used in an Airal burst role to wipe out entire Naval groups.
It depend on how or where the bombs are used.
The Russian tos heavy flamethrowers are banned according to the Geneva convention because of a lack of accuracy.
@@MightyRude Geneva convention, Geneva suggestions!
@@possumpatrol45
Tell that to Slobodan Milosevic, Ratko Mladic or Radislav Krstic.
Moab was not a thermobaric bomb it was an enhanced blast bomb. It just exploded slower to keep the pressure higher longer (similar to daisy cutter). But the main thing was it's sheer size. It didn't use air as the oxidizer so it didn't consume it. It was all blast. Thermobaric have more fuel than oxidizer therefore consuming air. MOAB used H6 (no HMX).
Yeah, the video said that it penetrated deep into the cave but if it’s thermobaric, doesn’t it need a wide spaces?
It broke international law. And flying airliners loaded with people into structures filled with people isn’t? Wow. Just Wow
You'd be justified if you attacked the people
who attacked you, instead your american army used the situation to gain more power and funding, but towards a war to get profits not really justice.
Thats why some republicans always voted against giving benefits to survivors of 9/11 and the firefighters etc...
They got money for war, but not to start paying what THEY owe, its always about what "the people owe its government"
as if your government is keeping peace, yet you're
more afraid than ever...😂
I expected more details about what a vacuum bomb does, how it works, not so much history! Too much unrelated content
She's amazing for knowing that dirty work needs to be done sometimes.
she's a hypocrite. bombs destroy her old country, so she designs bombs to blow up someone else country, what a dummy.
If you are referencing the bomb called MOAB
“mother of all bombs” it was tested at Eglin Air Force Base in Florida not in Arizona I remember the day well it rattled The walls of the machine shop where I worked in Fort Walton. It was written up in the local newspaper.
They even have a display of the bomb at the at Eglin Air Force Base museum.
MOAB
The GBU-43B MOAB (Massive Ordnance Air Blast) is just a specific model of thermobaric bomb in the US arsenal. It's first test was in 2003, a year after the BLU-118 B (the subject of this video) was already used in the field. 2 different weapons, same basic technology.
I liked it but now I'm going to have to dig my bomb shelter way deeper. Lol
I am a vn and quite proud of the contribution by another vn scientist!
I'm confused, was it the MOAB or some other weapon designed to penetrate deep into the earth? I thought it was some other weapon, but we keep seeing images of the MOAB. Was that filled with the same stuff, but for detonation above ground? anyone clear this up? Edit, ha, I should have read the comments first, seems many other have the same issue!
The MOAB is the same kind of weapon but on a larger scale
MOAB used in the killing of terrorist, was in a harden case to aggressively penetrate the cave openings before detonation. As stated in one of the other comments the massive explosion sucks air out and then sucks air back in, for true affectively killing most humans in the process. If I remember there were earthquakes caused by the amount of tonnage dropped in this massive cave complex but of course we know somehow bin Laden left the area before it all took place probably leaked information but in the end he got his due hell
My understanding is MOAB = "Massive Ordinance, Air Blast", so it is designed to explode above the ground. The video footage is indeed confusing. They designed a ground and concrete penetrating bomb, using old 155mm artillery barrels as the casing, which was very effective, but I don't remember the designation or the particulars. Pretty sure it's not what this video was discussing though.
Plus, they say this was in 2002. The MOAB was dropped in 2017.
@@reynauldc984 Damn, I thought it stood for Mother Of All Bombs.
He called it a vacuum bomb. Let's check the comments to see how that's working out.
Oh.
I was looking for the same thing. Where's the vacuum?
Your documentaries are the history we are never told I am near 50 and I never knew some of this stuff and I like that I can go investigate further this is what schools need to have in the classroom and we need more of this stuff about all parts of history amazing content it's good and factual keep up the good work
Reason is, it is a bunch of false claims illustrated by incoherent footage that doesn't reven show what he is claiming. This channel is truly a shitshow.
I subscribe to all your channels. Interesting content. I'm getting 4 notices of upcoming videos for each video. That turns off your most dedicated viewers.
"Serenity now!"
That's interesting because I am as well an I dont get any? I don't think it's him doing it
I get a bunch of notifications as well.
One notification for the same video from each channel name plus the original notification. 5 notifications one video.
It’s crazy that these bombs literally use the oxygen in the air to make the explosion worse
The air doesn't make the explosion worse, it makes it better!
I really could have done without the music. However the video was very well narrated and well edited.
Thank you for the great content. I very much enjoy your productions on so many topics.
'Thought your viewers would like to know: I believe thermobaric bombs are not meant to be very strong structurally and, in fact, don't penetrate the ground. They can create much more explosive force per unit of weight because they rely on the atmosphere for the oxidizer which takes up much mass and volume in traditional explosives. consequently. Hence, they are referred to as having fuel air explosives. Going into the ground would prevent efficient operation since it needs atmospheric oxygen to work. The destruction they cause is due to widely dispersed over-pressure. The images you have illustrate this world. hence they do not punch into a cave but rather fall in disperse their fuel and detonate. Weapons such as the famed British earthquake bomb World War II would actually penetrate deep into the ground carrying conventional explosive and then explode setting up a shockwave that could then collapse nearby targets without a direct hit. Thanks!
Yes, first thing I noticed about the video. The description of how it works is incorrect
Thermobaric weapons are ideal over the surface. Under the ground there isn't enough oxygen to have full potential .
Remember the vacuum effect, as they suck the air in and explode it uses all the oxygen in the chamber. Anyone that doesn’t die is suffocated within minutes as there is no oxygen.
Suffocation takes place faster because the heart rates of all the people in complex are raised ….
The point of lettimg one iff underground is to take the AVAILABLE oxygen so you either kill or force the combatants out.
When I was an Ordinaceman in the USN, we had a weapon we stored in the aft magazines called FAE which stands for Fuel Air Explosives. I attended a training class which explained it's function. It was Napalm. We just didn't use that term anymore. But it's basically jet fuel mixed with dish liquid. The fuel burned, the dish liquid made it stick to surfaces. We offloaded the weapons and they never returned. They had been mothballed at the time. Not going to lie, I didn't miss them. Just being around them made me want to take a shower. Ugly weapons.
dish liquid ? Napalm AKA the sticky death was made from gelling powder that was composed of naphthalene and palmitate and gasoline to form a sticky combustible substance
I'm not sure how explosive napalm is, I'm betting there is another part of the ordinance that is an explosive with its purpose being to disperse the napalm. The 'fuel air' bit is because explosives generally include the oxidizer as part of the mix whereas fuel air bombs use the air, that's why they're normally some kind of aerosol or particulate cloud kinda thing, you can't get the kind of burn rates needed for an explosion without the air being mixed with the fuel. I don't think you could aerosolize napalm, at least not very easily.
@@maximusX_ I'm betting if you looked at ingredients of dish liquid you'd find those or something very similar. FYI, if you dissolve a lot of Styrofoam in gasoline, you get a kind of napalm like substance that looks really cool when it burns. It's really amazing how much will dissolve, you can just keep feeding it in and it just disappears.
That’s the one thing about America we fight like family amongst ourselves, but give us a common enemy game over we’re all on board to defeat you
Fuel air, or themobaric weapons have a characteristic two stage explosive output, first dispersion of the fuel in the air, then after mixing with the oxygen in the air, detonation. You can see this characteristic pattern in explosions in films from the Vietnam war where fuel air bombs were first used.
Like napalm right?
Imagine the space exploration possible if we could all just get along on earth.
Like others I too am a bit confused on the whole "thermobaric" bomb discussed vs. the footage of "MOAB" used in the video. Was that just for the B-roll to fill the screen or are you saying they are one in the same weapon? I tried looking at other comments to see if this was already answered but I didn't seem to find a good explanation at the time of me writing this.
Love these 'Mini-Doc" you do and your other channel, thanks!
Wow, I've perused wiki and it's strange it almost seems like it's trying to confuse this issue. It talks about MOAB in the thermobaric bomb entry but clearly does NOT say it is one. The MOAB entry never says it's a thermobaric bomb but mentions Russia's answer to MOAB, the mother of all bombs, was the 'father of all bombs', but that one IS thermobaric. MOAB uses 'composition H6' as its explosive, which if you look up says it's 44% RDX, 29.5% TNT, and 21% powdered aluminum. I think the aluminum is what makes it thermobaric-like even if not technically thermobaric. I'm just guessing, maybe a thermobaric bomb implies it's primarily the non-explosive bits that make the majority of the blast whereas MOAB the aluminum only enhances the size of the explosion.
@@mechtheist I just typed that 😂 the moab so old it was in a museum and mattes wanted it just 4 the name to be dropped on terrorists
@@mechtheist yeah looking for "facts" "accuracy" "the truth" on wiki... 😳 I think I spotted your problem 🐃💩 😉
@@jmk1727 Do you think what I said is way off? MOAB is a specific ordnance whereas 'thermobaric bomb' is a type, the MOAB may or may not be one. I was just curious and got more so after reading wiki. Wiki is pretty good in general, stuff like that isn't the kind that gets screwed up all that often.
@@fonzarelly8011 It's not old, first tested 2003, not sure what you're talking about. That said, a bomb is a bomb, if it works, it'll be in inventory for a long time, hell, look at the B-52s that drop a lot of them.
Wow! This is your best video ever! Thank you so much.
What surprised me the most is that people in America complained about the lethality of a bomb…
Yes it burns up the O2 in the air, but only w/in a blast radius where the overpressure & heat's already 100% deadly, so calling it a "vacuum bomb" etc. is kinda dubious IMO
The point is to be more efficient b/c the fuel doesn't have to include its own O2 so it's 4x stronger or w/e for the same size
Cut out the background music!! It's really un-needed!!
Totally agree
This video does not mention two important facts I recall from reports around that time. 1) SEAL teams had Osama Bin Laden in sight and under surveillance in Afghanistan and asked permission to take Bin Laden captive. Mysteriously permission was denied. 2) Shortly after the bombing there was a major earthquake in the region where many villagers were killed and injured. The survivors complained that they had never had an earthquake in that area.
Hey Dark, I thoroughly enjoy all of your contents, and I just want to say, I think this one is especially outstandingly done. This deserves more than 7 million views.
Beautiful piece of tech that can handle bunkers and tunnel complexes. Frightening how good we are at making such complex weaponry and use our knowledge of maths, physics and chemistry in so many ways. Also the one in the video you talked about was MOAB , biggest thermobaric bomb of the U.S. which was used in Afghanistan on a deep underground complex tunnel system for the ISIS cell there as the target.
I really enjoy the this channel with precise rhetoric from a good voice! Many thanks. Chris, Western Australia 🇦🇺.
I read about the early thermobaric weapons the Germans were planning on using against the Allies. It would have made D-Day a terrible battle; but the weather was not very cooperate, and they either couldn't use it or it fizzled.
Has it ever been used since? Seem to recall the “Daisy Cutter” being used against mountain complexes too.
Trump dropped one on the Taliban
@@mattsantana5429 Trump didn't drop anything
The first F-15A flight was made in July 1972, and the first flight of the two-seat F-15B (formerly TF-15A) trainer was made in July 1973. The first Eagle (F-15B) was delivered in November 1974. In January 1976, the first Eagle destined for a combat squadron was delivered.
The single-seat F-15C and two-seat F-15D models entered the Air Force inventory beginning in 1979.
Get your facts straight I worked on these.
Love the way you present the content. ❤
Interesting, we have The BLU-129 now! "The Aerial Sniper" I noticed you mentioned one of The BLU-118B missed its target, The BLU-129 is extremely accurate! I wonder if The BLU-129 could be fitted with a Thermobaric Vacuum Warhead??
..."they never asked if they *should*"...
@@ProbablyYoMama lol what? Of course "They should"
@@ProbablyYoMama they're testing The BLU-129 for different missions and warheads different than originally intended/planned, that's what made me put the two together so to speak👍
The 129 is a low-collateral weapon and tiny compared to the 118. They use the same guidance sections
@@Doc_Stone13 it was originally designed as low collateral, now they are trying different munitions, and bigger bang!😁✌
Cutt the music down........then we can hear the commentary properly.......🙄🙄
That's what happens when you got a cheap phone I can hear him just fine 😂
Its shocking how misleading this video is. I majored in chemistry so I know the "Science" behind the explosives mentioned, so I am able to say that PBXIH-135 is standard plastic explosives combined with aluminum to increase burn temperature. Of course there are also other ingredients but I will not be naming them and polyurethane is not one of them. Secondly it is highly unlikely they used HMX as it is way to unstable and friction sensitive to be used in a high yield thermobaric bomb (RDX would be a better one). Thirdly the majority of the bombs that he shows pictures of are from MOAB ( a high yield air burst munition) or of the JDAM series (although BLU-118/B does fit in this category but there are no photos of it shown in this video). The photo with the forklift is most likely from the BLU-116 or 113 series. (my guess is probably the GBU-57). Finally the bomb they dropped on the cave system (in 2001 I believe) was the 15000lb BLU-82, and various other munitions as well. Have to say though, nailed the theatrics.
We should continue all weapons research so that we can understand it and not be taken by surprise from our enemies.
"United we stand, divided we fall*"
Given that the US has 252 F 15's you could have at least used vid from one of them. Instead you used a Israeli Air Force F-15 not to mention the Israeli tank......
and he had video of quarry blasting and a thermobaric weapon is an air burst weapon not a bunker buster ... but anyways ... at least he tried
Who cares?
Got a thing against Israel don't ya.
Given that we don’t have video for public release of the event, you would think the use of stock footage would be assumed. Do you actually think RUclips videos are going to contain exact footage of actual military hardware all the time? They use what they can get.
The U.S. has approximately 218 F-15Es (the aircraft in question), not 265 as you imply. The U.S. has approximately 88 F-15Cs active (123 ANG) which can’t deliver this kind of ordinance. See. Being detailed goes both ways. Don’t demand it from others if you aren’t yourself.
@@matthewgaines10 The open source info stated 265 originally in service. Also I am not getting paid to put vid's up. That is not my "job". Either be professional and show you have done the work or just be a too bit hack. If it's just a hack job that's done don't be surprised if people then start to doubt the actual info provided is valid.
Pretty cool. What I'd like to know is how are they able to aerosolize all the fuel in the first explosion without actually igniting it?
Which is the bit no one is going to reveal.
Interesting use of stock b-roll on this one. I guess you didn't have many clips to choose from and had to fill in the space with SOMETHING.
Right? Nearly half of the images of F15s were Israeli.
Jesus Christ can't even hear the voice.. music is blurring
Are recipes for these explosives so widely available that it's safe to make RUclips videos discussing the secret ingredients.