How the hell could they not know that when they questioned prospective jurors??? That is TOTALLY improper and grounds for a new trial alone. Just yet another example of how corrupt that hell hole is.
So let me get this straight....members of the jury had relatives that were in the police dept and clerks office..WTF..This man deserves a new trial from this alone...
+Lisa Phillips They always make jurors fill-out forms asking about connections like this. Those should still be someplace. If they lied on the forms and signed under penalty of perjury, they ought to be prosecuted and fined for the costs of a new trial.
That's even the biggest issue here.... The biggest thing for me is the coroner!!!! Not being able to testify in court because it wasn't relevant at the time!!!! How is it now and how does the coroner not go down to that site!? How does she get told she isn't coming down and if she does she will be arrested! To me right there that's the case in my eyes that's a absolute joke! Unfortunately I think the judge was in on it was well smh just sad!
@@JewishJeff839 your the one replying to everyone's comments with rude bs and if it was my family member I wouldn't want the killer or killers still out there living their lives when my daughter and sister doesn't get to live her life! They obviously are just in denial and I can understand that in a way but that's just not how most people would feel. They put way too much faith in that slimeball Kratz and those officers!
@@jeremiahc620 Did you cry to your mommy? Did she smack the shit out of you, little girl? No one cares what a coward "thinks". Got it, Karen? Ask daddy where he went wrong with a fairy like you as his daughter? Always bring your tears to your mommy. She already knows what a loser you are... Which military did YOU cry your way out of, butch?
I don't know what really happened but what I do know is that there's a lot of corrupt cops, sheriffs and government ppl. Justice for Avery and Daissey.
it's BULLSHIT when I hear a juror say thing like they were "pressured". You don't CAVE under pressure just so everyone can go home for dinner. You stand your ground , even if it ends in a mistrial!! It's your duty as a juror!
amy g It’s called sleeping juries, not everybody takes jury duty easily. Some refuse to question, review or hold their ground. 12 angry men is a great example of this.
Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey could’ve taken a plea deal. But, that would mean they would have to plead guilty to get a lesser sentence. And they are not going to plea to something they did not do! FRAMED!
This guy had to leave his jury duty because of a car accident that happened to a family member. He was replaced with an alternate. Sounds like that was set-up too because he would’ve voted not guilty.
Absolutely! That was fixed! It ended up not even being an accident, it was car trouble! I'm sure the county misconstrued that to get him out of there. And this goes all the way to the state. Someone is paying someone to put the blame on these two because someone high up is hiding something, either to do with Halbach or the rape case. Avery should have gotten out of "Dodge " when he was exonerated for the rape. His whole family should get the hell out of there! Who knows which one that corrupt county will choose to frame next.
I thought that same thing right away!!! I guarantee you the alternate was threatened and forced to persuade other jurors...we'll never know but I'd bet my life on it!!
Give the man a retrial in another state with a completely new setup. This is a disgrace. Sign the petition people. Let this man be free for what he didn't do, they have taken advantage of the weak.
I plan to run for Wisconsin governor on a platform to simply let this poor man out of jail with a few million in spending money so he can hire a lawyer and sue Manitowoc county back to the stone age.
This alone never mind the countless pieces of evidence demands a re-trial. As far as I see it if a juror says he would've voted not guilty and feels there was pressure on himself and other members of the jury my first thought is re-trail. Nobody's saying that Avery is definitely innocent, but it would be utter ridiculous not to re-try himself and his nephew.
Here in England (because of the virus) people are stuck at home watching TV. This story is being talked about and people are in disbelief how a person can be treated by law enforcement over there. We just don't let other people have that much power over our lives.
If Avery got a retrial in different state he would win the court case. The Manitowoc county justice department is so unconstitutional. They favor the state they are not considering avery
People are afraid to cast their honest opinion on this mans guilt, because they are afraid? Cowards. Would they want the same thing for themselves or one of their loved ones? Can't believe a man is going to spend the rest of his life in prison because someone is so P.W. If you couldn't uphold your responsibility honestly, why the hell did you except the responsibility of being a juror. Shame on you.
+M Smith Its the system even if you feel he is innocent its hard to stand on your own when they are your neighbors and holding you accountable for holding out...needless to say i would.
No trials for Steven and Brendan. Let them out now, they’re definitely innocent. Get a straight investigator in and get after the real killer/s of that poor girl…!
Agree in a way but to clear their names without doubt they need to be found not guilty and Police need to do their job properly and get the real 'murderer'
@@mariancollins5685 in normal circumstances I would agree but these guys have been falsely imprisoned for 14 YEARS…! Contrary to what Kratz assured everyone, the stuff Netflix couldn’t/didn’t include in the two documentary’s plus, all the other evidence that has come to the surface since, proves one thing, Avery and Dassey are innocent. They were framed by a proven perverted, lying DA and corrupt police force. The state backed them up and continues to do so. Forensic evidence alone proves their innocence, as it did in Avery’s first false conviction. The only long drawn out trials that need to take place now are the prosecution of Kratz and his accomplices and the trial of the real killer, once an honest police force has investigated the real suspects. But right now, just let those innocent guys out…the whole world knows they’re innocent…just LET THEM OUT and lock up Kratz…in that order…!
The judges, the jury, the police department and the American government can all give them self a big pat on the back for the mess, the loss of life and the injustice they have caused.
It seems to be an amazing coincidence that everything in this trial happens to fall in the police favour and against Avery. I don’t believe the cops killed Teresa to frame Avery, and I don’t believe Avery even touched Halbach. Not to mention the phone call from the 2 cops saying Teresa went to Avery and then Zipperers house after. They knew Avery wasn’t her last appointment of the day
I do...indirectly at LEAST...I mean what are the odds in THAT county that someone would be on the Avery property and get murdered just DAYS after depositions ABOUT Avery and 36M dollars?!!
So did all the jurors have their heads up their backsides when Kratz kindly shitstained Dassey and Avery by holding a huge public press conference 6 months before the trial?
tammy duke yeah but if he was not set up it's hard to say he didn't do it, right? What's you're take on it? hard to understand where you stand from your comment...
Tammy Duke is saying that he's innocent and that it was not proven in this case here beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was guilty. She says that Avery doesn't stand a chance for a fair trial in Wisconsin. I think she was angry just like the rest of us and it showed in her comment.
mydogcujo Well that was my point. He was looked at as a guilty man from the get go, UNLESS his defence could absolutely prove that he was innocent. And it's supposed to be the other way around. That he is innocent until hard cold facts prove otherwise.
I'm from wi ,I followed this case in the local news and the false facts and innuendo had me believing he was caught red handed.I knew nothing about these questions of doubt.the media tainted the jury pool.
Bring him to another state with all new people who don't have any ties to him!!!! The deputy, the judge, the whole damn county!!!! I pray Trump looks into the corruption of the legal force in this town
For those who haven't read material concerning SA's post-trial motion, Mahler testified there, under oath, that there had been no "car crash" at all (surprised to hear that? His testimony is a matter of public record.), that his stepdaughter had only had "car troubles," and that that's what he'd told the judge. He also testified that he'd never mentioned any "marital troubles" to the judge. The judge wrote in his opinion that the juror had told him a car crash had occurred, totaling the stepdaughter's car, which (the judge said the juror had told him) had worsened the juror's marital troubles that had existed even before the trial, and, accordingly, that he (the judge) didn't find the excused juror's testimony on this point to be "credible."
+Jim Jo When he was a teen... I know many people that has done weird and scary shitt in their teens, today they are family people and like everyone else. Dont think so much on the past.
+wankel84 Exactly, they basically dug up that old info on Avery as a way to twist everyone into believing he is guilty, what he did as a teen should be irrelevant when in his adult life he had not committed any crimes that would suggest he would rape and kill an innocent person.
The whole world know's these two (Avery and Dassy) are innocent, just our Judicial System is corrupt, the sheriff's office and prosecutor should be held accountable along with any Judge's that were involved..
1 year left... we'll see. Messed up stuff man, this guys gonna end up being in jail half his life for things he never did. It's so clear when he talks about it too, he clearly did not do it
And still no new trial. Smh. If they have nothing to hide, hand over all evidence to Kathleen Zellner. And why were Teresa’s “bones” given back to her parents? 🤔
For me, the one thing that was made not clear was the lack of motive for Steve Avery to kill Teressa Halbach and the motive put on the teenage nephew was too far of a stretch. It's frustrating that how much society relies on the justice system to be fair and help the poor and disadvantaged and yet this systems seems to always work in favour for those who are rich or powerful if not both. Its also very daunting to know that someone who committed such a Haynes crime to Teressa Halbach may still be out there roaming free... this is so concerning.
Two places I will never visit: 1. Italy (due to Amanda Knox wrongful conviction), and 2. Manitowac County (due to Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey's wrongful convictions).
if i was those cops, etc, who everybody believes setup avery, i,d run and hide. cause you know that there's a lotta people out there who wanna fuck them guys up.
His daughter was in a suspicious car wreck, allegedly it looked like it was done on purpose, so maybe they threatened him and when he didn't cave, that happened. Kind of sends a message to the other jurors.
I'm on the Avery is innocent side but I've had 2 lingering questions that I can't seem to find an answer to on the internet. 1) Did Steven ever give an explanation as to why he dialed *67 when trying to contact Teresa on the day she went missing ? 2) Even though there was no physical evidence of Teresa being 'shackled" to his bed post...did he actually own a pair of hand cuffs and leg shackles? If so, did he give any explanation as to where he got them and why he kept them around? Once again, I believe he was set up, however I feel these 2 questions being answered would strengthen his case. Perhaps I missed it and someone can help answer in the comment section????
I’m thinking he didn’t want his number given out. Not sure why. And the handcuffs were pink fuzzy type you can buy from an adult shop. Even if those were used, there would’ve been pink fibers found.
It was extremely Clear that Nothing happened in the Trailer nor the garage, So I think the cuffs are a non issue. No clue why he dialed star 67. But I believe he is innocent
If he was calling Auto Trader magazine it probably wouldn't be Teresa he was hiding his nbr from...he probably didn't want his nbr out there after his exonneration
Life has been taken a joke in this county. Why why can't they get this right. Dassey made a mistake, a mistake his mind had not fully interpreted I understand his conviction. But all this bs and dragging the Avery family around could've been totally avoided with some polygraph, am I right? Why don't we avoid trials altogether if we have better means of the truth. God , Jesus whoever help these people wrongfully accused by people wanting a conviction ONLY and not exposing the truth. That to anyone is a sign of haste given by guilt or the fact that you may be hiding a key to the investigation
How do they feel releaved? If an innocent man spends their life in prison, you should feel guilty until the day you stand at GOD'S GATES! You will have to answer that question truthfully then. He knows.
don't pay no attention to what avery,s ex-girlfriend is saying, because the only reason that she,s telling the media these stories is because they're paying her a lot of money to tell em stories like that. she's just another example of the fucked up things that people will do in order to get rich quick. that guy is innocent.
They showed in the documentary what they did to his ex fiance. For fucks sake they threatened to put her back in jail if she spoke to him or anyone in the family. I wouldnt be surprised if they are doing it again.
Well, you just narrowed it down to who it was that told, because she said he won't say who it is for his safety, so that means it was a man juror! Smooth Move ex-lax!! Should have said, he won't say what juror it is to protect that person!
If they set Steven up why would they use colborns and links name as the one who found the key they would’ve said that someone else found it if they did plant it that’s why the key was actually in the room Steven put it there he and dassey are guilty
They were not even supposed to be there. Evidence just happened to pop up when they were there that wasn’t there during the other searches. Geez how hard is it to plant evidence ? Cops do it all the time
He's not guilty!!! They know it! They did everything they could to Frame him.. My heart goes out to poor Brandon.. it's sickening, what they did to him... I hope they go to Hell for that.. I don't know how they can sleep at night, doing what they did.. I'm not saying, that Steven is a Angel, not by any means. But this he didn't do.
Me too. In so many murder cases, the police go talk to the relatives, friends or ex boyfriends but no. They just automatically assumed it was steven. I don't see how he was found guilty. I mean there is clearly so much evidence that shows he's innocent and so much proof that it was clearly a set up. I heard that he got himself a new attorney and this attorney is tough and she claims she's found new evidence to prove that steven is innocent and has the names of a few new suspects that were involved in the murder. I can't til season 2.
Just saw "Dr.Phil" today.Was convinced he was guilty.Still leaning on that.But BECAUSE of the judge disallowing evidence, as well as presiding over the same trial,& the cop LYING(2003? 2001?) (I think the guy deserves a NEW trial.Though I DESPISE HIM for the "cat thing" & think he should get life just for that!
+saffy blu I understand your anger about the poor cat. I'm an animal lover too. Steven Avery was young at the time and was drinking, and did something stupid and horrific. Most of us have done things that we regretted later. I am sure that Steven Avery regrets that too. He did not rape that woman, he did not kill Teresa, and he did not hurt the sheriff deputy's wife all those years ago when he ran her off the road. He pointed a gun at her but never shot her. Know why? He does not kill women. He is no angel, but none of us are. The cops set him up and have had it out for him ever since he ran the deputy's wife off the road, who is Steven Avery's cousin.
Don't think most people actually know what occured with the burning of that poor defenseless cat! Cat was doused in oil & gasoline.Held over the fire.Was held down & couldn't get away.Duh! He had GLOVES on so HE wouldn't be burned! I DESPISE him for this! Know what? The more I think about it - the more I don't care.Let HIM "FRY"-JUST LIKE that POOR DEFENSELESS animal did!
saffy blu u agree, I felt sorry for him but when I heard about the cat thing I have no sympathy for him. only evil would enjoy seeing a poor animal suffer torture.
I don't give a crap about what a friend may have done to one cat (I don't condone it, I love animals ) but it has nothing to do with this. So if someone kicked their dog once when they were a stupid teenager they should rot in prison for a murder that someone with a lot of money and a title committed? Someone get some Miracle Grow and pour it on this girls head because she needs to grow a brain.
0:49 Do these law enforcement officers not make enough money to afford a gym membership? How can they possibly perform their professional duties looking like that?
Is Teresa alive, ??? continue reading all !! That's a Great and terrific job ' 🤠🍺🐩 ,, ,, ,, I would just like to start by saying, I definitely admire you and of course the other podcasters as well, and thank you for your devoted time and energy, I know I don't have a podcast but I guess I can get my two cents in, irregardless just by sending and or explaining what I consider to be some of the most obvious are damning hardcore facts in this case, I will be adding this one as well in my single but somewhat long message, but just be patient it's guaranteed to appease ' with a few things that might surprise you LOL 🤔🍺🐩so as we all dig a Little Deeper as rubber ducky says , so as to crack 🐣 this case I will send it & another important one in the main message section, but I will start it out with this message that I am mentioning now, but I think it's another small but vital piece of the puzzle , that will help to explain a little more clearly about the bigger picture for this case, and one that even supports the more than obvious possibility that Teresa halbach still Maybe alive, one of which is that the bones are not being permitted to be tested by recent DNA by the defense to the point of breaking their own law by not permitting this to happen , and we all know why just like there was never no pictures of the bones how do we even know there was a single human bone when we are supposed to beleave they are presumed human buy mr. Ken craps do we take his word for it ' of course not , we all know better now, The Jig Is Up, anyway there is no proof taken as far as we know other than their word , & there was no pictures shot nor was the special bone expert lady allowed to be there and of course dogs never hit on them but here's a new observation to consider ??? MillBilly had mentioned on one of his podcast that I listen to very recently, some information that may have went over some folks heads, he had mentioned that he tried for a long time to find out where the picture of Teresa standing by the RAV4 was shot at, then he had acknowledged buy a friend that had a dream of the name of the road of where the picture was taken, she had actually dreamt the name of the road where that actual picture was takn of Teresa standing in front of the RAV4 that he could not find , but when others mentioned it was by the Teresa halbach Photography Studio it was actually where this girl had said it was where she had dreamt of it, now that in and of itself, may not seem like such a big thing, or piece of the puzzle and I will come back to that shortly, but here's one of the main points I'm making, he had also found out that that picture , was taken just a few days I believe before she had become missing, now do you ? get the picture? I didn't at first as simple as this piece of the puzzle is, it's not that hard of a piece of the puzzle to figure out, and here is your answer, in theory this makes sense, could it be that, Ben's how that picture was taken just a little bit before she had went missing ,,, 🤔🐥 ,,, because of a recent to be planned event, another words here's the picture, just days before she becomes missing, it gets taken oh and by the way here's the car not to mention that you're going to see it in the very very nearby future in a planned event on the news mind-ya ' what did they call it in the Kennedy assassination when they thought they could get away with it it was called the big event, I don't know what they called this, but it too was more than likely a planned event as well, something else I will tell you in particular and the other hard workers of these podcasts, the big turd that likes to believe his own lies Mr. Ken craps ' I've watched a few little shows with him, and I noticed something and here's what I noticed, he likes to start his little shenanigan in a bold boasting Manor that goes something like this, and this is something he ripped off of Mark Twain or one of them writers he mentions, anyway it goes something like this ,,, it's easier for me to full people, then to convince people, that they have been fooled", wow that almost sounds like a magician's trick doesn't it? well that speaks volumes in several different possible ways, one of which, the picture of Teresa standing by her vehicle so recently took TOOO CLOSE TO her disappearance could possibly only implicate & or mean one thing ' & that is ' that this was not just coincidental, but a Farfetch'd all out planned event and that she is still alive, just like the dream Brendan had, one night shortly before his trial, he mentioned Teresa having on a judge's robe and then lifting part of it off of her face as of like it was all a big joke & or surprise and it was all a big joke Brendan said, okay well here's a three strikes and you're out LOL rubber ducky brings this to our attention aswell ' she had mentioned she seen some video footage of Teresa's mom I'm not sure exactly were it was shot at but here's my point she mentioned after the interviewer ' had quit asking her questions that the tape was still rowing and that Teresa's mother who was apparently faking the sobbing crying with NO tears , (again magic trick) like all the other times or interviews as usual, that something a little different happened in this particular interview and that is when it was over ' and she thought that the cameras were off, guess what happens???,,, she started laughing like it was all a big joke, that's when I believe rubber ducky had mentioned something to this avail that it was not only repulsive, but it enlightened her on what she considered to be the real truth, not the fake stuff , and that is, that yes we had been fooled and this is all a big joke, of course until the big joke comes back to haunt you🤠heyy- what about the flash card that was found in her RAV4? you know the one with the pictures & the cow on it ' & why did miss Joellen zipper ' state that Teresa was at her house at 3 oclock? and one of zippers boys said that he would Enlighten this whole case when he got out of prison , and why did law enforcement initially go out of their way to confiscate zippers phone answering machine messages which are still unrevealed to this case ??? Mr.Ken Kratz ? , & others who have blamed the innocent in the name of personal gain , and greed ' & the LIE 🐩 ,, ,, ,, Judgement Day's coming !!!!!! 🤠🐥🐓 ,, ,, ,, ruclips.net/video/0xPNEyUPkB4/видео.html ruclips.net/video/ysj724g-mXk/видео.html
save that garbage. This man is innocent ans any sane person knows it. The day one person can explain how he beat, choked, raped, stabbed, shot and dismembered a girl and left not ONE spec of her DNA anywhere not one spec of blood, I will believe it
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How the hell could they not know that when they questioned prospective jurors??? That is TOTALLY improper and grounds for a new trial alone. Just yet another example of how corrupt that hell hole is.
"hell hole"? Ready to spread it for Avery?
So let me get this straight....members of the jury had relatives that were in the police dept and clerks office..WTF..This man deserves a new trial from this alone...
+Lisa Phillips They always make jurors fill-out forms asking about connections like this. Those should still be someplace. If they lied on the forms and signed under penalty of perjury, they ought to be prosecuted and fined for the costs of a new trial.
Right, jurors are not suppose to have connections to anyone related to trail.
Truth
I had a feeling the jury was compromised
Yes. That's crazy!
How the "F" could they allow relatives of local law enforcement officers be on the jury.
That's even the biggest issue here.... The biggest thing for me is the coroner!!!! Not being able to testify in court because it wasn't relevant at the time!!!! How is it now and how does the coroner not go down to that site!? How does she get told she isn't coming down and if she does she will be arrested! To me right there that's the case in my eyes that's a absolute joke! Unfortunately I think the judge was in on it was well smh just sad!
Imagine that, the Justice system is stacked in favor of police and prosecutors.
If he was a cop that gunned down an unarmed man he would have gotten a fair trial smh
CANT BELIEVE THEYRE STILL IN JAIL America’s justice system is disgusting.
FREE STEVEN and BRENDAN 🙌🏽
Don't give a shit about the victim, only getting off with that murderer and his idiot nephew?
@@JewishJeff839the victim's family should want the real killer behind bars instead of blindly trusting the law!
@@jeremiahc620 You decide how people should feel? When were you elected to be that annoying?
@@JewishJeff839 your the one replying to everyone's comments with rude bs and if it was my family member I wouldn't want the killer or killers still out there living their lives when my daughter and sister doesn't get to live her life! They obviously are just in denial and I can understand that in a way but that's just not how most people would feel. They put way too much faith in that slimeball Kratz and those officers!
@@jeremiahc620 Did you cry to your mommy? Did she smack the shit out of you, little girl? No one cares what a coward "thinks". Got it, Karen? Ask daddy where he went wrong with a fairy like you as his daughter? Always bring your tears to your mommy. She already knows what a loser you are... Which military did YOU cry your way out of, butch?
I don't know what really happened but what I do know is that there's a lot of corrupt cops, sheriffs and government ppl. Justice for Avery and Daissey.
cangri1788 Justice for Teresa too. Her killer is still out there.
Dassey* ^^
@@Noemie291 Steven Avery
it's BULLSHIT when I hear a juror say thing like they were "pressured". You don't CAVE under pressure just so everyone can go home for dinner. You stand your ground , even if it ends in a mistrial!! It's your duty as a juror!
amy g agreed! Or people end up losing their life
That guy is nuts
have you ever been a juror in a murder trial?
amy g It’s called sleeping juries, not everybody takes jury duty easily. Some refuse to question, review or hold their ground. 12 angry men is a great example of this.
@@polishherowitoldpilecki5521 I call bullshit, if you cannot judge fairly then fking tell the judge straight instead of condemning an innocent man.
This story is reaching around the globe
Here in Germany I am unfortunately the only one who watched the show at my school
For real '
Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey could’ve taken a plea deal. But, that would mean they would have to plead guilty to get a lesser sentence. And they are not going to plea to something they did not do! FRAMED!
Sorry i think dassey is guilty
This guy had to leave his jury duty because of a car accident that happened to a family member. He was replaced with an alternate. Sounds like that was set-up too because he would’ve voted not guilty.
Absolutely! That was fixed! It ended up not even being an accident, it was car trouble! I'm sure the county misconstrued that to get him out of there. And this goes all the way to the state. Someone is paying someone to put the blame on these two because someone high up is hiding something, either to do with Halbach or the rape case. Avery should have gotten out of "Dodge " when he was exonerated for the rape. His whole family should get the hell out of there! Who knows which one that corrupt county will choose to frame next.
I agree. Very convenient right at the end of the trial
I thought that same thing right away!!! I guarantee you the alternate was threatened and forced to persuade other jurors...we'll never know but I'd bet my life on it!!
Give the man a retrial in another state with a completely new setup. This is a disgrace. Sign the petition people. Let this man be free for what he didn't do, they have taken advantage of the weak.
I watched the trial and will never understand why the Judge wasn't disbarred. He should never have allowed this joke of a trial to continue!!!!
don't know if he did it for sure,don't think so but if this isn't reasonable doubt,I pray I'm never accused of something I didn't do.
Would anyone know where I could find the petitions to free these men that have been wrongfully convicted, one of which makes 2x now.
Good luck with that! Guilty!!!!
@@_1ben The facts prove otherwise 😂
So at what point do you start to blame the 2 incompetent defense lawyers who didn’t vet & approved the 12 jurors?
You KNOW they lied to get ON the jury...the judge and everybody else hid it...they HAD to insure their verdict!!
I plan to run for Wisconsin governor on a platform to simply let this poor man out of jail with a few million in spending money so he can hire a lawyer and sue Manitowoc county back to the stone age.
I would love to see that happen
I would vote for you even though i am British No corrupt copper scares me
Good luck but watch your back!!
The jury should be held accountable if you vote guilty only to please police department fear or not you have a mans life in your hands!
Amen and i would suggest the same prison term as poor Steve so they to experience how it really feels
All I heard was conflict of interest was involved throughout in this case.
Of course conflict of interest!!! This guy has no chance in this state!!!!
This is so messed up. Conflict of interest???????? Manitowoc not suppose to be involved yet they were from the start. !!!!!
This alone never mind the countless pieces of evidence demands a re-trial. As far as I see it if a juror says he would've voted not guilty and feels there was pressure on himself and other members of the jury my first thought is re-trail. Nobody's saying that Avery is definitely innocent, but it would be utter ridiculous not to re-try himself and his nephew.
I bet that judge was in on it too.
Here in England (because of the virus) people are stuck at home watching TV. This story is being talked about and people are in disbelief how a person can be treated by law enforcement over there. We just don't let other people have that much power over our lives.
Lazza your Right we aint as thick, and would never tolerate this corruption
It's fucking disgusting what they did to steven these stupid jurors. Wtf.
If Avery got a retrial in different state he would win the court case. The Manitowoc county justice department is so unconstitutional. They favor the state they are not considering avery
People are afraid to cast their honest opinion on this mans guilt, because they are afraid? Cowards. Would they want the same thing for themselves or one of their loved ones? Can't believe a man is going to spend the rest of his life in prison because someone is so P.W. If you couldn't uphold your responsibility honestly, why the hell did you except the responsibility of being a juror. Shame on you.
do you not see what these cops do to people they don't like? I'd be terrified too.
+M Smith Its the system even if you feel he is innocent its hard to stand on your own when they are your neighbors and holding you accountable for holding out...needless to say i would.
@@aubreegreene6511 Bullshit no copper would ever ever terrify me i would do what is right regardless of the w....kers
No trials for Steven and Brendan. Let them out now, they’re definitely innocent. Get a straight investigator in and get after the real killer/s of that poor girl…!
Agree in a way but to clear their names without doubt they need to be found not guilty and Police need to do their job properly and get the real 'murderer'
@@mariancollins5685 in normal circumstances I would agree but these guys have been falsely imprisoned for 14 YEARS…! Contrary to what Kratz assured everyone, the stuff Netflix couldn’t/didn’t include in the two documentary’s plus, all the other evidence that has come to the surface since, proves one thing, Avery and Dassey are innocent. They were framed by a proven perverted, lying DA and corrupt police force. The state backed them up and continues to do so. Forensic evidence alone proves their innocence, as it did in Avery’s first false conviction. The only long drawn out trials that need to take place now are the prosecution of Kratz and his accomplices and the trial of the real killer, once an honest police force has investigated the real suspects. But right now, just let those innocent guys out…the whole world knows they’re innocent…just LET THEM OUT and lock up Kratz…in that order…!
I agree and sorry i still think police had something to do with this murder
The judges, the jury, the police department and the American government can all give them self a big pat on the back for the mess, the loss of life and the injustice they have caused.
It seems to be an amazing coincidence that everything in this trial happens to fall in the police favour and against Avery. I don’t believe the cops killed Teresa to frame Avery, and I don’t believe Avery even touched Halbach.
Not to mention the phone call from the 2 cops saying Teresa went to Avery and then Zipperers house after. They knew Avery wasn’t her last appointment of the day
@stevie smart It's real sad that 2 innocent people sit in jail while the actual murderer(s) roam free.
I totally think the corrupt police were involved in her murder
I do...indirectly at LEAST...I mean what are the odds in THAT county that someone would be on the Avery property and get murdered just DAYS after depositions ABOUT Avery and 36M dollars?!!
How he doesn’t have a retrial yet by now is outrageous
Your knowledge of the Avery case is very clearly limited to a Netflix documentary.
@@willoughbykrenzteinburg share me the case information then wise guy, I want to know how guilty he is.
I admire this guy. He is at least truthful.
He hunt himself last fall confessed to the killing.
How the hell can they convict him when there was no blood in his bedroom, doesn't make sense 🤔
No way the dude leaves the car on the property he owned a car crusher... Come on all the pigs gonna burn in hell
So did all the jurors have their heads up their backsides when Kratz kindly shitstained Dassey and Avery by holding a huge public press conference 6 months before the trial?
All three cases in the documentary was guilty until proven innocent...
Innocent till proven guilty!!!!!! Not set up!!! Proven guilty without any doubt and it's not here. Innocent!!!!!!!! I pray for All
tammy duke yeah but if he was not set up it's hard to say he didn't do it, right?
What's you're take on it? hard to understand where you stand from your comment...
+tammy duke hahahah stop. where r u coming from? r u a troll or ignorant
Tammy Duke is saying that he's innocent and that it was not proven in this case here beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was guilty. She says that Avery doesn't stand a chance for a fair trial in Wisconsin. I think she was angry just like the rest of us and it showed in her comment.
mydogcujo Well that was my point. He was looked at as a guilty man from the get go, UNLESS his defence could absolutely prove that he was innocent. And it's supposed to be the other way around. That he is innocent until hard cold facts prove otherwise.
I'm from wi ,I followed this case in the local news and the false facts and innuendo had me believing he was caught red handed.I knew nothing about these questions of doubt.the media tainted the jury pool.
Those police need to be in jail and the DA
Why did you leave the jury when a man's life was on the line?
Deputy Sheriffs dad and a clerks husband plus a 36 million dollar lawsuit. I hope he gets 72 million this time. Unreal
This is disgusting the juror grow some balls
Bring him to another state with all new people who don't have any ties to him!!!! The deputy, the judge, the whole damn county!!!! I pray Trump looks into the corruption of the legal force in this town
Be strong avery.. Free Avery!
Good thing this guy had an emergency or there would be two killers out there
They did that man dirty
For those who haven't read material concerning SA's post-trial motion, Mahler testified there, under oath, that there had been no "car crash" at all (surprised to hear that? His testimony is a matter of public record.), that his stepdaughter had only had "car troubles," and that that's what he'd told the judge. He also testified that he'd never mentioned any "marital troubles" to the judge. The judge wrote in his opinion that the juror had told him a car crash had occurred, totaling the stepdaughter's car, which (the judge said the juror had told him) had worsened the juror's marital troubles that had existed even before the trial, and, accordingly, that he (the judge) didn't find the excused juror's testimony on this point to be "credible."
Corrupt bastards
Wow...that was judge willis...I knew he was corrupt right away!!!
the guy just doesn't seem violent
I agree but he also poured gasoline on a cat and threw into a fire.
+Jim Jo When he was a teen... I know many people that has done weird and scary shitt in their teens, today they are family people and like everyone else. Dont think so much on the past.
+wankel84 Exactly, they basically dug up that old info on Avery as a way to twist everyone into believing he is guilty, what he did as a teen should be irrelevant when in his adult life he had not committed any crimes that would suggest he would rape and kill an innocent person.
+John Dorsey He does have a history of violence, but that doesn't mean he doesn't deserve a fair trial of course. Which he didn't get in my opinion.
I agree it just don't happen out of the blue and ecspecially after all he had been thru
He cut her throat but no blood on the scene ? Come on
2 WRONG CONVICTIONS = ALOTTA MONEY THAT THEY DONT HAVE SMH WHY WOULD HE KILL AN HE WAITING ON 36 MILLION IT LITERALLY DONT ADD UP!!! FREE THEM!!!
The whole world know's these two (Avery and Dassy) are innocent, just our Judicial System is corrupt, the sheriff's office and prosecutor should be held accountable along with any Judge's that were involved..
How the fuck is Wisconsin still a state?
That jurors' 15 minutes were over the moment he was excused. Avery and Dassey did it. NO DOUBTS!
Then you are an eejit
They need to look into that Sherif.
Omg...so scary...
The biggest set up I've watched in my life the have put him in the line of fire for long time is so bad . I think he will be free in next 2 year .
1 year left... we'll see. Messed up stuff man, this guys gonna end up being in jail half his life for things he never did. It's so clear when he talks about it too, he clearly did not do it
If u think this man is guilty,u hv a dead brain these jurors sold out,shame on them
And still no new trial. Smh. If they have nothing to hide, hand over all evidence to Kathleen Zellner. And why were Teresa’s “bones” given back to her parents? 🤔
@stevie smart People have been incarcerated way longer than Avery and Dassey and they’ve been exonerated. Research The Innocence Project.
seems Zellner is as much use as a germ riddled maggot, she is in it for the fame
Just horrible. 🥺 I pray that justice prevails soon for all parties suffering. God does not like ugly 🙏🏼
For me, the one thing that was made not clear was the lack of motive for Steve Avery to kill Teressa Halbach and the motive put on the teenage nephew was too far of a stretch. It's frustrating that how much society relies on the justice system to be fair and help the poor and disadvantaged and yet this systems seems to always work in favour for those who are rich or powerful if not both. Its also very daunting to know that someone who committed such a Haynes crime to Teressa Halbach may still be out there roaming free... this is so concerning.
For his safety, WELL congrats there you've narrowed his safty down for them !!
There fuck up was not having that case moved to an entire different area
you should never cave on a jury team,
what a sick county and state, there should be a new trial at least
Two places I will never visit: 1. Italy (due to Amanda Knox wrongful conviction), and 2. Manitowac County (due to Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey's wrongful convictions).
If anyone framed this man, I pray they will. Never know peace in their lives.
Crazy and he’s still in jail
if i was those cops, etc, who everybody believes setup avery, i,d run and hide. cause you know that there's a lotta people out there who wanna fuck them guys up.
He says that now but after too long and too many episodes of Lost missed he would’ve caved too
THAT FAMILY EMERGENCY SOUNDS LIKE HIS LIFE WAS THREATENED SO HE JUMP SHIP
His daughter was in a suspicious car wreck, allegedly it looked like it was done on purpose, so maybe they threatened him and when he didn't cave, that happened. Kind of sends a message to the other jurors.
I'm on the Avery is innocent side but I've had 2 lingering questions that I can't seem to find an answer to on the internet.
1) Did Steven ever give an explanation as to why he dialed *67 when trying to contact Teresa on the day she went missing ?
2) Even though there was no physical evidence of Teresa being 'shackled" to his bed post...did he actually own a pair of hand cuffs and leg shackles? If so, did he give any explanation as to where he got them and why he kept them around?
Once again, I believe he was set up, however I feel these 2 questions being answered would strengthen his case. Perhaps I missed it and someone can help answer in the comment section????
I’m thinking he didn’t want his number given out. Not sure why. And the handcuffs were pink fuzzy type you can buy from an adult shop. Even if those were used, there would’ve been pink fibers found.
It was extremely Clear that Nothing happened in the Trailer nor the garage, So I think the cuffs are a non issue.
No clue why he dialed star 67.
But I believe he is innocent
@@MX-CO what is 67 for anyways? , sorry i am a brit so curious, if its to hold back a phone number well, that is his damn right i do it all the time.
If he was calling Auto Trader magazine it probably wouldn't be Teresa he was hiding his nbr from...he probably didn't want his nbr out there after his exonneration
The bed and room didn't have blood all over it is huge. Yet when searching the room detectives sat on the bed filing out paperwork...
Profound !
Juri??? Is that a word?
They should give him a new Trial, he was clearly framed.
Life has been taken a joke in this county. Why why can't they get this right. Dassey made a mistake, a mistake his mind had not fully interpreted I understand his conviction. But all this bs and dragging the Avery family around could've been totally avoided with some polygraph, am I right? Why don't we avoid trials altogether if we have better means of the truth. God , Jesus whoever help these people wrongfully accused by people wanting a conviction ONLY and not exposing the truth. That to anyone is a sign of haste given by guilt or the fact that you may be hiding a key to the investigation
How do they feel releaved? If an innocent man spends their life in prison, you should feel guilty until the day you stand at GOD'S GATES!
You will have to answer that question truthfully then.
He knows.
don't pay no attention to what avery,s ex-girlfriend is saying, because the only reason that she,s telling the media these stories is because they're paying her a lot of money to tell em stories like that. she's just another example of the fucked up things that people will do in order to get rich quick. that guy is innocent.
They showed in the documentary what they did to his ex fiance. For fucks sake they threatened to put her back in jail if she spoke to him or anyone in the family. I wouldnt be surprised if they are doing it again.
Wow
Well, you just narrowed it down to who it was that told, because she said he won't say who it is for his safety, so that means it was a man juror! Smooth Move ex-lax!! Should have said, he won't say what juror it is to protect that person!
They were framed
If they set Steven up why would they use colborns and links name as the one who found the key they would’ve said that someone else found it if they did plant it that’s why the key was actually in the room Steven put it there he and dassey are guilty
They had an honest cop with them when the key was found. They would not have been able to say that someone else found it.
They were not even supposed to be there. Evidence just happened to pop up when they were there that wasn’t there during the other searches. Geez how hard is it to plant evidence ? Cops do it all the time
i agree too
Was this juror stupid🤦🏻♂️
Worst audio editing ever. The jurors voice is 500x louder than the rest of the audio.
let Steven Avery GO.
He's not guilty!!! They know it!
They did everything they could
to Frame him.. My heart goes out
to poor Brandon.. it's sickening,
what they did to him... I hope they
go to Hell for that.. I don't know how they can sleep at night, doing
what they did.. I'm not saying, that
Steven is a Angel, not by any means. But this he didn't do.
Why the kid? he set his uncle up and no way is that kid innocent
Damon they did that dude dirty’🤭
I really believe Teresa's ex boyfriend have killed her..
Me too. In so many murder cases, the police go talk to the relatives, friends or ex boyfriends but no. They just automatically assumed it was steven. I don't see how he was found guilty. I mean there is clearly so much evidence that shows he's innocent and so much proof that it was clearly a set up.
I heard that he got himself a new attorney and this attorney is tough and she claims she's found new evidence to prove that steven is innocent and has the names of a few new suspects that were involved in the murder. I can't til season 2.
I think it wat the fat guy
STILLUMINATI Who is the fat guy?
Louise Gustafson he seems shady. he at least knows who done it if not he dine it himself. his eyes give a lot away.
Is it already known when Steve's new trial is starting?
Steven avery is totally innocent
I say "let Steven Avery out and Manitowoc should be forced to pay him the original amount he was suing them for"
Is zellner aware of any of this?
Zellner is as much use as an infected maggot
Free Steven avery asap.
Just saw "Dr.Phil" today.Was convinced he was guilty.Still leaning on that.But BECAUSE of the judge disallowing evidence, as well as presiding over the same trial,& the cop LYING(2003? 2001?) (I think the guy deserves a NEW trial.Though I DESPISE HIM for the "cat thing" & think he should get life just for that!
+saffy blu I understand your anger about the poor cat. I'm an animal lover too. Steven Avery was young at the time and was drinking, and did something stupid and horrific. Most of us have done things that we regretted later. I am sure that Steven Avery regrets that too. He did not rape that woman, he did not kill Teresa, and he did not hurt the sheriff deputy's wife all those years ago when he ran her off the road. He pointed a gun at her but never shot her. Know why? He does not kill women. He is no angel, but none of us are. The cops set him up and have had it out for him ever since he ran the deputy's wife off the road, who is Steven Avery's cousin.
Don't think most people actually know what occured with the burning of that poor defenseless cat! Cat was doused in oil & gasoline.Held over the fire.Was held down & couldn't get away.Duh! He had GLOVES on so HE wouldn't be burned! I DESPISE him for this! Know what? The more I think about it - the more I don't care.Let HIM "FRY"-JUST LIKE that POOR DEFENSELESS animal did!
saffy blu u agree, I felt sorry for him but when I heard about the cat thing I have no sympathy for him. only evil would enjoy seeing a poor animal suffer torture.
Ummmm he didn't put the cat in the fire. Check the public records. His friend did.
There is no proof of the cat having gasoline poured on to the cat. That's a huge lie you just made up, look at the facts.
I don't give a crap about what a friend may have done to one cat (I don't condone it, I love animals ) but it has nothing to do with this. So if someone kicked their dog once when they were a stupid teenager they should rot in prison for a murder that someone with a lot of money and a title committed? Someone get some Miracle Grow and pour it on this girls head because she needs to grow a brain.
0:49 Do these law enforcement officers not make enough money to afford a gym membership? How can they possibly perform their professional duties looking like that?
That's it we gotta call Jose Baez up in here!
Is Teresa alive, ??? continue reading all !! That's a Great and terrific job ' 🤠🍺🐩 ,, ,, ,, I would just like to start by saying, I definitely admire you and of course the other podcasters as well, and thank you for your devoted time and energy, I know I don't have a podcast but I guess I can get my two cents in, irregardless just by sending and or explaining what I consider to be some of the most obvious are damning hardcore facts in this case, I will be adding this one as well in my single but somewhat long message, but just be patient it's guaranteed to appease ' with a few things that might surprise you LOL 🤔🍺🐩so as we all dig a Little Deeper as rubber ducky says , so as to crack 🐣 this case I will send it & another important one in the main message section, but I will start it out with this message that I am mentioning now, but I think it's another small but vital piece of the puzzle , that will help to explain a little more clearly about the bigger picture for this case, and one that even supports the more than obvious possibility that Teresa halbach still Maybe alive, one of which is that the bones are not being permitted to be tested by recent DNA by the defense to the point of breaking their own law by not permitting this to happen , and we all know why just like there was never no pictures of the bones how do we even know there was a single human bone when we are supposed to beleave they are presumed human buy mr. Ken craps do we take his word for it ' of course not , we all know better now, The Jig Is Up, anyway there is no proof taken as far as we know other than their word , & there was no pictures shot nor was the special bone expert lady allowed to be there and of course dogs never hit on them but here's a new observation to consider ??? MillBilly had mentioned on one of his podcast that I listen to very recently, some information that may have went over some folks heads, he had mentioned that he tried for a long time to find out where the picture of Teresa standing by the RAV4 was shot at, then he had acknowledged buy a friend that had a dream of the name of the road of where the picture was taken, she had actually dreamt the name of the road where that actual picture was takn of Teresa standing in front of the RAV4 that he could not find , but when others mentioned it was by the Teresa halbach Photography Studio it was actually where this girl had said it was where she had dreamt of it, now that in and of itself, may not seem like such a big thing, or piece of the puzzle and I will come back to that shortly, but here's one of the main points I'm making, he had also found out that that picture , was taken just a few days I believe before she had become missing, now do you ? get the picture? I didn't at first as simple as this piece of the puzzle is, it's not that hard of a piece of the puzzle to figure out, and here is your answer, in theory this makes sense, could it be that, Ben's how that picture was taken just a little bit before she had went missing ,,, 🤔🐥 ,,, because of a recent to be planned event, another words here's the picture, just days before she becomes missing, it gets taken oh and by the way here's the car not to mention that you're going to see it in the very very nearby future in a planned event on the news mind-ya ' what did they call it in the Kennedy assassination when they thought they could get away with it it was called the big event, I don't know what they called this, but it too was more than likely a planned event as well, something else I will tell you in particular and the other hard workers of these podcasts, the big turd that likes to believe his own lies Mr. Ken craps ' I've watched a few little shows with him, and I noticed something and here's what I noticed, he likes to start his little shenanigan in a bold boasting Manor that goes something like this, and this is something he ripped off of Mark Twain or one of them writers he mentions, anyway it goes something like this ,,, it's easier for me to full people, then to convince people, that they have been fooled", wow that almost sounds like a magician's trick doesn't it? well that speaks volumes in several different possible ways, one of which, the picture of Teresa standing by her vehicle so recently took TOOO CLOSE TO her disappearance could possibly only implicate & or mean one thing ' & that is ' that this was not just coincidental, but a Farfetch'd all out planned event and that she is still alive, just like the dream Brendan had, one night shortly before his trial, he mentioned Teresa having on a judge's robe and then lifting part of it off of her face as of like it was all a big joke & or surprise and it was all a big joke Brendan said, okay well here's a three strikes and you're out LOL rubber ducky brings this to our attention aswell ' she had mentioned she seen some video footage of Teresa's mom I'm not sure exactly were it was shot at but here's my point she mentioned after the interviewer ' had quit asking her questions that the tape was still rowing and that Teresa's mother who was apparently faking the sobbing crying with NO tears , (again magic trick) like all the other times or interviews as usual, that something a little different happened in this particular interview and that is when it was over ' and she thought that the cameras were off, guess what happens???,,, she started laughing like it was all a big joke, that's when I believe rubber ducky had mentioned something to this avail that it was not only repulsive, but it enlightened her on what she considered to be the real truth, not the fake stuff , and that is, that yes we had been fooled and this is all a big joke, of course until the big joke comes back to haunt you🤠heyy- what about the flash card that was found in her RAV4? you know the one with the pictures & the cow on it ' & why did miss Joellen zipper ' state that Teresa was at her house at 3 oclock? and one of zippers boys said that he would Enlighten this whole case when he got out of prison , and why did law enforcement initially go out of their way to confiscate zippers phone answering machine messages which are still unrevealed to this case ??? Mr.Ken Kratz ? , & others who have blamed the innocent in the name of personal gain , and greed ' & the LIE 🐩 ,, ,, ,, Judgement Day's coming !!!!!! 🤠🐥🐓 ,, ,, ,, ruclips.net/video/0xPNEyUPkB4/видео.html ruclips.net/video/ysj724g-mXk/видео.html
You cant trust this guy mhe thinks hes a legal expert now because he served on a jury
From everything i've watched and from everything ive researched I would have voted guilty.
+Wooster001 wtf are you dumb? if you would have voted guilty you truly are a moron
+Wooster001 must have "researched" very little..... may I ask why?
+Jerman Ramirez do name your theory...have you dont YOUR research? i have done quite a bit and im a pretty objective person...but i still am unsure
Brendan Gibsoon your unsure, the op isnt. I asked him how he could be sure.
I never said he wasnt guilty so I dont get your comment
Can I ask you do you happen to be deaf and blind??
yo free Steve Avery but damn that black girl fine 😍😍😍
P.S.The witnesses to this horrific act said Steven Avery LOVED it!
save that garbage. This man is innocent ans any sane person knows it. The day one person can explain how he beat, choked, raped, stabbed, shot and dismembered a girl and left not ONE spec of her DNA anywhere not one spec of blood, I will believe it