I drive through backroads for work, and every once-in-a-while I pass by a concrete sign that has "The Wolf Den" painted on it. Hearing that Klan meeting houses are called Dens has made me rethink driving through that area.
This commonality between homegrown Nationalist Fascists and the foreign one is interesting and we should keep those parallels in mind, not just aims and policies but the variety of personality types and professionals that are attracted to that kind of thinking.
Damn it...I wish I'd heard this episode earlier this year, because my aunt (in southern Kentucky) told me about some local guys who would beat up wife-beaters and called themselves...NIGHT HAWKS. I asked if they were racist, too, and she denied that. Soooo...REALLY would have been good to have this in my back pocket.
Representative Thomas L. Hamer was responsible for Grant's appointment to West Point. It was Hamer who wrote on the documents Grant's name as Ulysses Simpson Grant. Incorrectly assuming Grant's middle name to be that of his mothers maiden name. His actual given name was Hiram Ulysses Grant. Grant would have to wait a year to correct the snafu with his correct name or assume the new one. Grant chose the later.
@scottgoens7575 my understanding was the West Point application just said "S" not Simpson, the S was likely meant to stand for that, and I believe Grant wrote to his wife thinking he should start saying the S meant Simpson for his Mother, but it never definitively meant anything
A prank club that got out of hand when they radicalised and turned to terrorism... isn't that the plot of Fight Club? EDIT: A big recruitment factor in fight club was that there were all these bored disaffected men full of resentment that needed an outlet. Man, it's such a shame that a movie with such an obvious point gets misinterpreted to mean the opposite by the exact people that it's criticising. Great movie, shame about the fanbase, lol.
It's not really an urban legend, so much as confusing two people. Jimi Heselden, who bought the company from the inventor, drove one off a cliff and died, so when Robert said they killed the guy who owned the company, he was correct.
you can rename a cat. It's not even particularly difficult, you try a few and stick with something they answer to. Someone else gave HP's cat that name, but he kept it.
You must be very ignorant about Lovecraft if you think his racism is only seen in the name of his cat. That is almost incidental when you read all the stuff he wrote about black people and foreigners in his letters.
@@dftp I never said that, I just said the cat was named that before he got it. Lovecraft was exceptionally racist. He was also classist. He was also extraordinarily mentally unwell and the two are inarguably linked conisdering he believed other races (and poor people) had magical powers. He was also scared of air conditioning, the colour grey, drums and sunlight. My actual opinion on Lovecraft is that he was a paranoid schizophrenic terrified of absolutely everything that wasn't him specifically (and some of his writing implied he was scared of himself too), and he probably would have benefitted a lot from some medication.
It should be considered a species-wide shame it took us literal millennia to go from owning slavery to a significant portion of the species realizing slavery is bad
seems more likely that a significant portion always knew that but they were either slaves themselves or illiterate laborers who history ignores. and to this day a significant portion of the capitalist class wants to return to it.
He was not much worse then most American President before him and half of them after him. Grant is only singled out because the people who normally whitewash the genocides of natives hate him specifically and try to use the narrative that he was a monster to push their own agenda. Ever notice how most of the people who will happily bring up Grant in regards to Natives will defend Jackson in all things. Grants main problem was that he was not that good of a politician and thought that by making the Department of Indian affairs part of the military he could cut out the rampant greed that had previously led to most of the massacres, land grabs and retaliations, but unfortunately that put people like Custer in charge locally. He was outmaneuvered by expansionist factions in Congress and undermined by officers who really did want to exterminate the Natives like Custer.
As compared to whom? Repeating myths is not history Mr. Chamberlin. In 1869, Grant in his address to Congress argued that, "A system which looks to the extinction of race is too horrible for a nation to adopt without entailing upon itself the wrath of all Christendom." His proposed solution has the placing of Indians upon large reservations which was enlighten for it's time. He also insisted that they be given absolute protection. Grant appointed a Native American General Ely S. Parker to the post as Commissioner of Indian Affairs. He also set about to reform the notoriously corrupt system that licensed traders to do business with and often cheat the tribes. Grant starter with Quakers which were scrupulous throughout their employment. As a long term goal Grant favored extending citizenship to Native Americans. As Chernow writes, "whatever it's shortcomings, Grant's approach an advance over the ruthless methods adopted by earlier administrations." So what went wrong? It was the U.S. citizen in the West. Their lust for land, gold, and their hatred for the Native Americans went deep into a majority of society. Trusting other religions to be Quaker like was misinformed. The plan by Grant was good, it just that not all shared his vision.
Gotta say, after hearing about the original KKK and the Proud Boys handbook... there are more parallels than I expected.
Still mourning the fact that Katy’s subtle but brilliant “Go for the dwarves, they’re low-hanging fruit” pun was passed over.
I read this less than a minute in, already mourning. How could they do such a thing in my future's past of theirs.
what I'm hearing is that therapy and the early invention of Vampire: The Masquerade LARP could have saved a lot of lives
I drive through backroads for work, and every once-in-a-while I pass by a concrete sign that has "The Wolf Den" painted on it. Hearing that Klan meeting houses are called Dens has made me rethink driving through that area.
"He was a wizard of war, and so he became the grand wizard"
Okay but what's your excuse for the goblins and dragons?
This commonality between homegrown Nationalist Fascists and the foreign one is interesting and we should keep those parallels in mind, not just aims and policies but the variety of personality types and professionals that are attracted to that kind of thinking.
yes! the birth of "What's crackin', my peppahs!?"
Damn it...I wish I'd heard this episode earlier this year, because my aunt (in southern Kentucky) told me about some local guys who would beat up wife-beaters and called themselves...NIGHT HAWKS. I asked if they were racist, too, and she denied that. Soooo...REALLY would have been good to have this in my back pocket.
Ulysses S Grant doesn't actually stand for Simpson, it doesn't stand for anything, it was just added to his name at some point and he kept it
Representative Thomas L. Hamer was responsible for Grant's appointment to West Point. It was Hamer who wrote on the documents Grant's name as Ulysses Simpson Grant. Incorrectly assuming Grant's middle name to be that of his mothers maiden name. His actual given name was Hiram Ulysses Grant. Grant would have to wait a year to correct the snafu with his correct name or assume the new one. Grant chose the later.
@scottgoens7575 my understanding was the West Point application just said "S" not Simpson, the S was likely meant to stand for that, and I believe Grant wrote to his wife thinking he should start saying the S meant Simpson for his Mother, but it never definitively meant anything
A prank club that got out of hand when they radicalised and turned to terrorism... isn't that the plot of Fight Club?
EDIT: A big recruitment factor in fight club was that there were all these bored disaffected men full of resentment that needed an outlet. Man, it's such a shame that a movie with such an obvious point gets misinterpreted to mean the opposite by the exact people that it's criticising. Great movie, shame about the fanbase, lol.
Unrelated to the thrust of the episode, but the inventer of the Segway wasn't killed by one. That's an urban legend.
It's not really an urban legend, so much as confusing two people. Jimi Heselden, who bought the company from the inventor, drove one off a cliff and died, so when Robert said they killed the guy who owned the company, he was correct.
They were LITERALLY ghost costumes all along?!
I really wish more racists knew the origin stories of their favourite organizations.
Okay, Lovecraft's cat was named that BEFORE it was given to him.
you can rename a cat. It's not even particularly difficult, you try a few and stick with something they answer to. Someone else gave HP's cat that name, but he kept it.
You must be very ignorant about Lovecraft if you think his racism is only seen in the name of his cat. That is almost incidental when you read all the stuff he wrote about black people and foreigners in his letters.
@@dftp I never said that, I just said the cat was named that before he got it. Lovecraft was exceptionally racist. He was also classist.
He was also extraordinarily mentally unwell and the two are inarguably linked conisdering he believed other races (and poor people) had magical powers.
He was also scared of air conditioning, the colour grey, drums and sunlight.
My actual opinion on Lovecraft is that he was a paranoid schizophrenic terrified of absolutely everything that wasn't him specifically (and some of his writing implied he was scared of himself too), and he probably would have benefitted a lot from some medication.
Damn ,it's kluran! My bet was on more three word alliteration like muu mux magicum
Has Robert learned to pronounce DuBois properly sometime in the last five years?
It should be considered a species-wide shame it took us literal millennia to go from owning slavery to a significant portion of the species realizing slavery is bad
seems more likely that a significant portion always knew that but they were either slaves themselves or illiterate laborers who history ignores.
and to this day a significant portion of the capitalist class wants to return to it.
I HATE that I got Gary Busey from crazy teeth, son in Starship Troopers.
Not based on the moon but check Space Precinct from 1994
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OTOH Grant did a hell of a number on native Americans
He was not much worse then most American President before him and half of them after him. Grant is only singled out because the people who normally whitewash the genocides of natives hate him specifically and try to use the narrative that he was a monster to push their own agenda. Ever notice how most of the people who will happily bring up Grant in regards to Natives will defend Jackson in all things.
Grants main problem was that he was not that good of a politician and thought that by making the Department of Indian affairs part of the military he could cut out the rampant greed that had previously led to most of the massacres, land grabs and retaliations, but unfortunately that put people like Custer in charge locally. He was outmaneuvered by expansionist factions in Congress and undermined by officers who really did want to exterminate the Natives like Custer.
As compared to whom? Repeating myths is not history Mr. Chamberlin. In 1869, Grant in his address to Congress argued that, "A system which looks to the extinction of race is too horrible for a nation to adopt without entailing upon itself the wrath of all Christendom." His proposed solution has the placing of Indians upon large reservations which was enlighten for it's time. He also insisted that they be given absolute protection. Grant appointed a Native American General Ely S. Parker to the post as Commissioner of Indian Affairs. He also set about to reform the notoriously corrupt system that licensed traders to do business with and often cheat the tribes. Grant starter with Quakers which were scrupulous throughout their employment. As a long term goal Grant favored extending citizenship to Native Americans. As Chernow writes, "whatever it's shortcomings, Grant's approach an advance over the ruthless methods adopted by earlier administrations." So what went wrong? It was the U.S. citizen in the West. Their lust for land, gold, and their hatred for the Native Americans went deep into a majority of society. Trusting other religions to be Quaker like was misinformed. The plan by Grant was good, it just that not all shared his vision.
Grant stole the Black Hills from the Lakota, Robert, but no what a hero.
Once gold was found anywhere in in the country you wouldn't stop encroachment of whites to mine the gold. Bloodshed was bound to happen.
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It's America's dark secret no one wants to talk about?