From LED to Incandescent
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- Опубликовано: 18 апр 2024
- I attempted to use LED light bulbs in the kitchen light, but as usual, I was unable to as the bulbs gave me a headache.
The bulbs tested were the Philips Warm Glow 100w equivalent A19 bulbs with 'Flicker-Free EyeComfort Technology'. From what I can gather, these bulbs are highly regarded among those who like lighting. The Warm Glow is quite an interesting feature and does very closely match the color of an incandescent bulb.
While there did not appear to be any noticeable visible flicker, there was some banding noticeable on the camera when at full brightness, which proves that there is some kind of flicker. I felt the bulbs were very harsh on the eyes, but can't quite pinpoint why as they seem to be almost indistinguishable from an incandescent bulb. Despite not being able to visibly see the flicker, my eyes are still able to detect it, or some other aspect of the bulbs, that results in a headache after prolonged exposure.
I really wanted these to work because they looked just about as good as incandescent and provided a great range of brightness to suit difference scenarios in the kitchen. I gave them a fair chance, but as I often find with LED, I was not able to use it.
The halogen bulbs I initially tested with the fixture didn't seem to like this particular dimmer and would emit a very high frequency sound when dimmed. I've successfully dimmed these bulbs in many other applications, including in the living room, without a notable amount of noise. This dimmer is rated for use with LED bulbs, but it also claims compatibility with incandescent. I tend to think it's the switch, but I can't say for certain.
The next thing I tried, which worked perfectly, was a plain old incandescent bulb. The 40-watt bulbs I found at the local grocery store, rated for ceiling fan use, work very nicely here. The filament in these, and the 'appliance', bulbs, is sturdier and secured by multiple studs inside the bulb. I'm not sure if this is responsible for the lack of the high frequency noise, or if it's the filament itself.
The quality of light from these bulbs is top notch. No flicker, no noise, excellent color rendering, and most importantly, no headaches. A total of 3 in the fixture gives 120 watts of power at full brightness, which is satisfactory, but definitely not as good as before. These bulbs are still available for purchase and will likely continue to be for many years to come.
I have a few other light bulbs on hand that I may try in this fixture, such as the Decade Bulb, but I am satisfied with these bulbs for now. 
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I was never the hugest fan of the snowcone bulbs because of how directional they are, the noisy powersupplies and how hot they get + flickering, though great if they do work, Philips does frosted glass filament LED bulbs, I think in the US they are called the Ultra Definition range, worth trying as well and in my opinion a better product overall. I have to say the 40w appliance and ceiling fan bulbs look the best though, and cheaper to buy.
I can just tell if a snowcone led is in a side mounted light fixture. Practically a spotlight and dark on the other side
I have tested the Philips Ultra Definition bulbs before, on video. They seem identical to these. No visible flicker in person with coloring quite accurate to incandescent, but I still found them harsh to look at and there was still a band that appeared on the camera.
I am glad that I am not sensitive to any perceived problems with led lighting. I hate incandescent lights with a passion, mostly because they are constantly burning out if you have them all over the house. It used to drive me nuts even when I was much younger, but now that I am a senior, it is even harder changing bulbs all the time. I have many led bulbs that have lasted for years now.
Led are great until you try dimming imo.
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Incandescent bulbs are and always will be the superior light bulb. Incandescent bulbs give off a warm, nice light with an appealing soft glow. LED’s are just way too bright which makes them unbearable to look at. They do use less electricity than incandescent bulbs, but I personally like to use a bit more electricity for the pleasant light they give off and the fact that they even give off heat which helps warm up a room a bit on cold days. Because of all the perks, other than consuming a bit more energy than LED’s, I will definitely continue to use incandescent bulbs.
I will gladly pay more to obtain and run equipment that works better.
I reall wonder how LEDs would do for you if you ran them on full wave bridge rectifier with big capacitor in parlell on the output side to give smooth DC
I have no idea at this point. I used to think it was the flicker that bothered me, but now I wonder if it's some other aspect. These had no visible flicker to me, yet were still awful to my eyes.
LeD color temperatures will give me headaches the most.
I don't understand.
@@JordanUhe means the color of LEDs gives him a headache
A very interesting comparison video. That’s very unfortunate that you get headaches from the LED technology but if it happens, it happens. It’s good that you’re not having to work in an office with LED lighting. I have been wondering about the flicker myself. I remember the first LED Christmas lights I encountered and I could see the flicker especially if I moved the strand. They were early inexpensive LED lights and I definitely encountered a sensation that would be leading to a headache with those. Regular LED lightbulbs I don’t notice the flicker. Our local power company sent out a case of CFL’s back in the early 2000s and then later they sent all their customers a case of LED bulbs around 2014. It came with a letter saying with the huge growth in our area. This solution was helping them not have to expand the grid, as they stated, incandescent lighting was the largest loss of energy in their grid. I wish I still had that letter. Regardless, I ended up with a lot of LED bulbs. My phone has a slow motion filming setting which I decided to use and record my regular LED lightbulbs. When you play back the video the light fixtures turn on and off on and off! The main fixture I like the LEDs in is the chandelier which has multiple bulbs that produce heat, but the LED ones don’t produce nearly as much heat and don’t heat the room in the summer. But filming them in slow motion it looked like carnival lights or used car lot lights flashing! Definitely strobing! Now I probably am more aware of it! Fortunate that my eyes don’t pick it up without a slow motion camera. It is interesting. These bulbs are around 10 years old now and none of them have burned out. it’s still bothers me that I’m walking around using bulbs that are flashing on and off at a refresh rate I can’t see. It’s kind of like CRT monitors work.
That’s crazy because LED supposed to have no EMF while incandescent and ccfl light does
The cheap, poorly made circuitry in the LED bulbs probably emits tons of EMF.
I think it depends on the individual. Many can't see the difference between LED and incandescent. We can. You must be extremely sensitive. While I always prefer incandescent, I have a few use cases of LED, and I find that when mixed well with incandescent, they can be tolerable, at least for me. Upstairs in the spare bedroom I have a mixture of bulbs, and have not once gotten a headache from them. In the basement where I have LEDs, I don't seem to get a headache either, but I'm usually not down there for many hours at a time in that light.
As for the noise the bulbs make, different bulbs, with different dimmers, make loud noise, some noise, or no noise. The bulbs in my kitchen with the existing dimmer that has always been there (since before LEDs were mainstream) make noise--but they are not the original bulbs in that fixture. The original bulbs did not make noise, the ones I have in there now do make noise at lower brightness levels. My parents have a really old-school dimmer on their dining room light, and with the old fixture, those bulbs would absolutely sing at lower brightness. It has to do with how the voltage or current is adjusted, and the filament structure of the bulbs. You found by changing the bulbs, you were able to mitigate the problem. The original bulbs, that made noise, with a different dimmer, may not make any noise. There's a lot of "try it and see" that has to be done. All in time.
I only ever noticed LED flicker on crappy half wave rectified lights that edned up with 60hz flicker
@@ThunderClawShocktrix You're less sensitive to it. Some people don't mind the flicker at all, even if they do see it.
It definitely varies from person to person. Unfortunately it seems the majority of the population is not bothered by it, or at least is willing to accept it, which is why we end up getting stuck with all these garbage quality bulbs.
@@JordanU I fully agree with you. Quality items CAN be made, but you often don't see that anymore, because companies have figured out that making cheap stuff causes the consumer to have to buy again sooner, which could result in repeat revenue. This also goes for the very few items that are made in USA even today, the quality just isn't there, like it used to be.
It’s was probably harsh on your eyes due to the blue spike in the wavelength of the light.perhaps try to look up the waveform to see if there is too much a a blue spike. Hope this helps.
I suppose that's possible, but since it can't be changed, it doesn't make much difference.
From CFL to LED to incandescent
Correct.
For me personally, me and my family have great experiences with LEDs (we mainly use 5000K/6000K). So far this year, we had a couple that failed on us, including one earlier today that went from bright to barely glowing, but those failures happen once in a while. I won't criticize you for using incandescent bulbs since I know your experience with them, but yeah, LEDs aren't made for quality unlike incandescent bulbs.
Thanks for letting me know.
Glad you switch this back to Incandescent bulb good video bro
Me too. I've had it with LED.
Led=unnatural digital light. That's one of many reasons why led light sucks. Incandescent=analog light.
Even though I like LEDS. Your acronym is spot on.
That's an excellent explanation.
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I've heard that led lights are possibly linked to mental problems and lack of sleep, and I cannot sleep with led lights in my house, which is why I almost never use my phone anymore and have switched back to using a CRT TV and incandescent bulbs. Despite being banned in the USA, the appliance bulbs have yet to be banned, and the 40w appliance bulbs are all that is left now that is affordable and that can fit in a regular light bulb socket. Also, newer socket fixtures can no longer accept anything higher than 10w as they are ment more for led bulbs. The minute I can no longer use incandescent bulbs, I'll just use candles to light my home lol, as there is no way I am dealing with these modern unpleasant lighting that won't even let me sleep.
You can still use a 40w bulb in a socket that claims 10 watts, that's just a stupid label put there to deter people from using real bulbs.
You can change the bulbs anytime
I am aware...
Glad you are content with your light now bro so you can use it I enjoyed the video
Me too, this was quite the fiasco.
I like it
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As odd as it may seem, I've found filament leds to flicker more than these snowcone bulbs.
Not sure why, but that's just what I've noticed. I've also found the cooler color temperature also tends to flicker less than warmer.
I too have found the cooler colored bulbs seem to output better quality light.
Yeah, those Philips bulbs are decent, i have a few.
I now have 0. I think they're awful.
Incondesent bulbs still can do wonders and can serve many purposes. Both have their advantages. Some LEDs I can tolerate but in some situations, they just don’t work. This is just another instance where incondesent bulbs should still be sold.
Thanks for letting me know.
Can you tell me what color temperature that was?
There is no permanent color temperature; it changes according to the dimmer setting.
Color temperature of what?
When you remove that it almost looks like a fan without the blades
Thanks for letting me know.
This is why I like incandescent and halogen (mainly because they give off heat HEE HEE)
Thanks for letting me know.
#teamledsaregarbage
What is that?
LED's are probably the most artificial lights out there. Nothing else said.
Incandescent is probably the closest to natural light out there.
It’s either artificial, or not artificial. It can’t be “least artificial” or “most artificial”.
Anyways, artificial light is anything made by man. That includes candles, incandescent bulbs, *LEDs,* etc.
Led bulb put out the same radiation as those flashlights. many of the LED bulbs are made in china, check to see if your led bulb are trying to connect to your wifi(internet connection) when it is on. people have found tiny microphones inside the led bulb. many tv made by china, will send your person info to china through your wifi.
What flashlights?