Sorry this took so long to get out! I got so super busy recently, but normalcy has returned and I can try to get on a more consistent schedule! I want to do one more video in this entry series kind of laying out the ground floor level of lore for the world-building at what not. Then we'll get into all the nitty gritty red-string lore conspiracies and what not! Thanks for hanging out, and have a great weekend! =)
The idea that Ranni was created through the amber and this ‘rebirthing’ could’ve been a specific effort by Merricka to create a suitable replacement for her own throne, the creation would sort of be a clone of herself rather than this quasi incestuous relationship between her and radagon that may to be to blame for the cursed state of the other Empyrians. This would also be more evidence for WHY it was Ranni thats supposed to take the place of Merricka, and why she felt there was so much predetermination to fight against.
I have a feeling that Malenia's entire army in Caelid at the point helped Finlay get away while they stove off the redmane army, to the point they are still locked in battle after death in the war dead catacombs.
@@henryteo82 Her ashes state she was one of the few Cleanrot knights to escape. It also says she carried her all the way to the Haligtree alone, without any help.
Morgott is definitely the most tragic one to me. Seeing Godfrey hold the dead body of the son he shunned deep underground, and who then went on to be the most stalwart defender of Godfreys legacy is just so heartbreaking.
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It is never said that Godfrey shunned Morgott. He most likely had little say in anything Marika decided to do.
Judging by that scene, I think Godfrey probably cared for the Omen Twins but had little say in what Marika and the golden order decided. Godfrey was pretty much a means to an end for Marika and was even banished after he outlived his usefulness.
@@slothful2039 If we were to use our world to clarify. This would be the same as saying a husband who knowingly allowed his wife to abuse their disabled children and cast them aside did nothing wrong
@@emerystheimmortal417 The lands between very different rules. Marika is a literal vessel of an OUTER GOD… i wouldnt want to get on that bad side either
Morgott is a certified badass, the way he unboxes his cursed sword and then reveals he is actually the king of Leyndell make him my favorite Demi god hands down. Also, amazing lore video as always!
The fact he bested Radahn in combat is a truly incredible feat considering Radahn is considered the strongest of all demigods. I don't understand how Radahn looks so small in the illustration though. He grew to the size of a house as opposed to when Morgott defeated him.
@@Wi11iamNZ Morgot works similar to a assassin, giving the picture of him vs Radahn, he clearly got the jump on him and could have killed him. It's impressive that he could successfully defend leyndel, and he had the element of surprise on Radahn
I guessing Miquella's end goal with giving himself a new body is similar to Rannis which is shedding his current empyrean flesh. The metamorphosis he would have gone inside the tree/cocoon would have gotten that result
@@thesourfountain9005 he was already an empyrean a different body he designed would release him from his 2 fingers and greater wills influence. Miquella has temporarily freed malenia of a outer gods influence and he wasn't pro greater will / golden order in the shattering.
I think it speaks volumes that Godwyn was Merika's most favored child considering just how powerful and honorable the other demigods were such as Malenia, Miquella and Radahn. That's why I believe it's testament to the fact that Merika truly does love Godfrey and only sent him away so that he could become even stronger and had every intention of taking him as her consort yet again once he returned to her. Furthermore I'd say that Godfrey absolutely loves Merika as well when you take into account how much Queen Merika's abandonment broke him and that since then only wished to return to her.. Honestly their story is so tragic but also beautiful at the same time and is definitely one of my favorites in the lore.
@@Xlllth Yes I know about the long march. Unless i'm missing something I don't see how that made stronger. Before that he'd wared with the giants and ancient dragons. The long march was lightwork in comparison. So I don't see how sending him away made him stronger.
@@splinter360 well yes you are missing something, the most basic theme of fromsofr games its "adversity foster growth" marika sent godfrey away with the whole plan of the tarnished and giving them grace back again after they died, melina says so herself, how come he couldnt do that in the lands between as elden lord? well literally there where no worthy challenges left in there, also all this about growing in the face of hardships its direclty stated in dialogues in elden ring anyways not that i think marika loved godfrey, my interpretation its that radagon and marika were always one and the same, radagon was born a giant and communed with the elden ring, becoming marika so she could marry the strongest warrior hoarah loux she was probably involved in the night of black knives because it was part of her plan
It's more plausible that Marika is emotionless being not good nor bad, she expelled Godfrey after he fulfilled his purpose as her personal war machine. Godfrey loves his kids even Morgott an omen, you can see Godfrey really did feel love for him. I feel like Godfrey got sideswiped by Marika/Golden orders intentions. Perhaps Marika felt bad about it later on and that can examine her sudden desperation to just end all the bullshit subservience. Consciousness or something beyond Godhood happened to her
then again there is a ghost in deeproot that contradicts the notion of Godwyn as her favored child. Don't remember the exact wording but it was along the lines of "soulless demigod, marikas unwanted child" and there is lots of evidence that points towards marika being involved in his assassination. For example the numen-rune description implies that Marika is from the numen race. The black knive set states that the assassins are also numen and rumored to have close ties to Marika. So why would the assassins, probably under Marikas command, make a deal to help Ranni to get rid of her empyrian flesh and kill Godwyn? I think the favored child thing is only fassade. I don't mean that she explicitly wanted him dead, but she had no problem killing him when it was convenient for her or maybe she favored him in the beginning but began despising him later for reasons we still don't know. After Godwyns death she told Maliketh to seal away destined death, so death would never be stolen again (it is also explicitly stated that she betrayed Maliketh in either his remembrance, armor set or weapon desciption). Maliketh was her shadow (like Blaidd to Ranni) so he would go mad and kill her with the power of destined death if she were to go against the greater will. After he sealed the rune of death Marika became the eternal queen as she banished death from the lands between and rendered her shadow useless. Godwyn was probably a sacrifice for that cause and then she could shatter the Elden Ring without repercussions. Her intentions for doing so are still unclear though... However many at least believe (including for example Vaatividya according to his lorevideo) that she might have believed that principles have to be broken down to be understood and possibly corrected, so she might have given the tarnished the chance to change the golden order for the better, even though it would happen far in the future.
I used to think Godrick was disgusting and detestable, and he is, but now I can’t but help feel those feelings are superseded by pity. He became the monster he is due to fear at his own weakness and, likely, mistreatment by his peers for being the diluted descendant of a much stronger man.
I think his final words when you defeat him make that pretty clear. Like he was aware of it as well and thats what drove him to start grafting and becoming a worse thing then a mere weakling. A mad Monster.
I got into these games very late after most lore videos were made. So this is a first for me to see them all popping up as I play the game from release!
@@jas6853 thanks mate! I’ve already become obsessed with trying to piece as much as I can together by reading all the items in game and I’m just hanging for every bit of lore media that I find!
Elden Ring truley came out of nowhere and holy shit it's like even better then play Dark Souls for the first time and I hope Fromsoft becomes so successful we get more games more frequently
@@hatim-rusanuzun6667 It took me dozens and dozens of tries (at least until I changed my equipment and used NPC summons), by comparison, Maliketh took me like 3 tries and the final boss was first tried. I guess it depends on the person!
Other than playing Souls games, my absolute favorite part is the RUclips videos on the lore. I appreciate all the work and interpretations these creators put behind these productions.
I feel like there should had more endings. The whole thing with unalloyed gold and scarlet rot not getting an ending just feels really strange. Unalloyed gold is said to reject outer god, how is there not an age of man or something
Ikr after all the trouble of getting three fingered and defeating Malenia and finally reversing time to use miquella's needle. I just pray there is dlc🙏🙏🙏
Ranni's ending if properly translated states that you leave the lands between without any outer gods' influence, and let people just do whatever, without gods' meddling.
@@Hekk. well she leaves and takes with her souls Also we keep talking about “proper translation” like the game designers put no effort in it. Maybe this was intentional and waifu ain’t so great
The really sad thing about killing Godrick is that he is the only one demigod still trying to become the Elden Lord and mend the land and the only one we are really forced to kill. After I realized that, Margit precence in Stormvei Castle was due to us, but to him wanting to keep an eye on Godrick's progress and evaluate his threat. And why did Godrick resorted to grafts? He is "maidenless", he can't grow stronger to challenge his siblings in the same way we do. He has already tried to face Radahn and Malenia and berely made out of it alive... and still he kept trying.
it would have been fun to see an age of grafting ending. Would make absolutely no sense but, having a little Marika head sticking out of you would be horrific
I can’t believe no-one is mentioning that Mohg took a comatose CHILD god to his BED and tried to be his consort!!? That is beyond messed up. Awesome video as always AH.
If Ranni’s fate was being held in stasis by the actions of Radahan, would that mean she would be unable to wield the Fingerslayer Blade, as it “Cannot be wielded by those without a fate, but is said to be able to harm the Greater Will and it’s vassals”?
You couldn't even get into the lost city without killing Radahn. It was Rannis destiny all along, but she needed someone to kill Radahn and makes the stars fall in order to get to the location of it. Nothing stopped her from wielding it other than the fact that it was buried in a lost civilization.
"I was unconcious and my men brought me back to safety. That doesn't count as a loss!" Malenia, blade of Miquella that has never known defeat.. Probably
My favourites truly are Miquella, Malania, Ranni and Morgot. While I hate that Ranni killed Godwyn, maybe she intended to return his soul or took him out because he was the heir and possibly strongest of his siblings. If he'd lived, he would have easily taken the throne, considering how he easily bested a dragon and was dubbed "The Golden". I also feel infinitely sorry for Miquella, trapped in the body of a child while his siblings go to war, having not the strength or ability to stop them, then to top it off, he's kidnapped and forced to become a consort. Not even his sister knows he's gone. But a special shoutout to MVP Finley for carrying his general home
I believe Melina to be one of the demigods as well, probably an empyrean, direct sibling to Malenia and Miquella. First and most obviously, the naming scheme can't be a coincidence. All the children of each pairing of demigods have similar names. Radagon and Renalla's children are Rs: Rykard, Radahn, Ranni (though her parentage is indeed in doubt if she's an empyrean, but she was clearly raised as a child of Renalla), and probably Renna. The children of Marika and Godfrey are Godrick, Godwyn, Godefroy -- the Omen twins Mohg and Morgott are likely named differently because of the stigma of being cursed Omens. (Correction: Godrick and Godefroy are further down the lineage, descendants of presumably Godwyn; not direct children of Marika and Godfrey. Still, there is a clear naming convention here identifying their ancestry.) The empyrean twins of Marika and Radagon are Malenia and Miquella -- "Melina" fits right in with them. All were born cursed by an outer god: Malenia with the scarlet rot, Miquella with youth, and Melina as the Kindling Maiden, destined to burn the Erdtree itself (Blade of Calling). We know Melina was born at the foot of the Erdtree, given a task by her mother from within it, which she recalls at Leyndell is to burn down the Erdtree. She can hear Marika's past words at each of the churches. Melina is disembodied and needs to attach herself to a Tarnished to get her spirit to the foot of the Erdtree, presumably where her body is. The only person inside the Erdtree is Marika herself, imprisoned by the Greater Will -- that makes Marika Melina's mother. Couldn't be any other demigod chosen by another Outer God because they all have different symbols: we know from Turtle Pope's description of Radagon and Renalla's war that Marika was the house of the Tree and Renalla the Moon, and I'm sure other Houses are out there (the Gloam-Eyed Queen, the Dragons, the Giants, the Serpent, probably more). Furthermore, we know Marika gave others tasks against the Greater Will: she forced Hewg to smith for Tarnished until he made a weapon strong enough to kill a god, for example. It's clear there's some kind of link between Melina and Ranni: "a gift from Torrent's former owner" and all that. Ranni plotted the Night of Black Knives, and she would have absolutely known of the curse on Melina. She would need the power of the demigod capable of burning the Erdtree for her new age to come to fruition, so she would have sought Melina's aid. (Though if that part failed then she would still be freed of the influence of the Greater Will and her assigned Fingers.) Ranni's spirit inhabiting the doll also looks strikingly similar to Melina, so much so that most people have assumed a deeper connection... but could it just be a family resemblance? (I wonder how Malenia's face shape lines up with Melina's, if it's as eerily similar as Ranni's spirit's face.) The Black Knife Assassins fight with daggers patterned after Melina's Blade of Calling imbued with Destined Death, and fight in a similar style, as if she trained them. It's not bulletproof by a long shot, but it's the best I've been able to put together.
@@konigstiger3252 It's *possible* but I don't know if we know enough about the Gloam/Dusk-Eyed Queen to say for sure. Melina does significantly mention death and destined death a few times. If she was the GEQ and defeated by Maliketh, then that could explain why she's bodiless.
I agree with most of what you said except i doubt anybody knew Marika was imprisoned by brambles, though they knew Marika was within the Erdtree. Melina only surmised they needed to burn the tree when she saw the thorns herself. Many believe Ranni to be Melina but the only connection was a closed eye and marks around their eyes. They behaved so differently around us, with Ranni appearing regal and authoritative (you may approach me) while everytime Melina appears she kneels in subservience to us, asking us for permission to speak.
Nice vid! As a lore nerd myself, gotta say everything was spot on! Tho one thing. I could be wrong but i think godfroy was the very first person to use grafting. Godrick then got inspired and did the same
If Ranni was the offspring of Radagon alone, making her an empyrean, then she inherited 100% genes from him. Her original body was human sized, not giant sized. Radagon was not of giant blood. Radahn grew to enormous size after his mastery of gravity magic, it probably affected him in some way unrelated to his parentage. Radagon was angry to be associated with the giants because of his red hair, not because he was actually cursed by the giants(the item description noted it was rumoured, not a fact) but because he was not. His red hair was more likely to be associated with the red wolves, from which may be part of his origins. Radagon was the one who learnt glintstone magic from the academy, why would all the red wolves be able to use them unless they shared a link somehow? The hint comes from Gowry and the way his rebirth ability as long as there are rot-pests in existence.
It's also possible that long term use of great runes increased their height to varying degrees since when we beat Morgott and he loses his great rune he becomes much smaller.
That’s not how genes work, if Radagon has giant genes it doesn’t mean every single one of his kids would be giant some might and others might not. We also don’t know if Radahn was born after Ranni and So Ranni could’ve been born before Radagon was ever cursed with the giants red hair
If only there was a secret in which you could use the gold needle you can get on Rahdahn and either unlock a whole new ending where you bring about RAHDAHNS will or even completely alter the boss fight
@@user-pj1ec5om5g Radhans knowledge of the stars would be used to make a space ship. Which the next from softgame would take place. He will conquer the stars!
I see a lot of questions about whether or not Miquella is corrupted by blood- but he very well could be pure still because of his unalloyed gold defending him from the Formless Mother
Love the vid! One thing I think they did say though was Morgott tried to become the Elden Lord, but he said that he was rejected as well (I think its right after you defeat him). He probably thought it was because of his curse, but most likely its because Marika wanted everyone to suffer. Keep up the good work man, and take all the time you need. Look forward to the next one!
He says that he failed when he's all shriveled up on the ground. I didn't want to go into too much because I didn't want to speculate too much in this video, because I think it can be seen in multiple ways, including failing to protect the Erdtree.
I don't think it was Marika's own will who sealed the tree. The "thorns" has Radagon's rune (criss-crossing lines) on it, so it's probably Radagon's or the Golden Order's idea (As Radagon is the leal hound of the Golden Order, how much of his own will did he have in that is debatable), not Marika's (I mean they're the same god but they do have different wills)
Is it really ever said that an Empyrean must be someone born only of gods? It’s definitely said that Melania and Miquella were Empyrean because they were born of one god, but I’m not sure there’s any evidence to suggest that this is the ONLY way to be Empyrean. In fact, it is stated that the Gloam-eyed queen was an Empyrean “chosen by the two fingers.” This is an important point to get right, because it is the only “evidence” to suggest that Rennala isn’t Ranni’s birth mother
Yes, the Two Fingers will go out and choose an Empyrean they believe should succeed Marika. But the definition of Empyrean itself means heavenly or celestial. Which I believe lends more to the whole single God thing, or potentially of two gods. But there was only ever one fornicating with themselves that we know of.
@@TheAshenHollow I think that Ranni was not necessarily born of one God, I think Empyrean has nothing to do with being born of one God/Demigod. I think that the whole born of one God thing is unique to Milenia and Miquella- and its an odd coincidence that these two characters are also said to be cursed from birth. I believe it alludes that the 'curses' are similar to birth defects because of the fact that it's from one being. Ranni on the other hand I believe was chosen to be an Empyrean- I don't believe she is born from one God alone
@@FuhqNugget the other reason people believe Ranni was adopted by Rennala is because there’s a lot of evidence Melina and Ranni are the same person, biggest of which that the spectral face of Rannis matches almost exactly to Melinas face. Melina is almost definitely Marikas daughter so if Ranni and Melina are twin sisters she can’t of been Rennalas true daughter. I think Ranni is older than Rykard and Radahn and Radagon brought her with him to Carian Manor most likely
@@kobragaming9420 i saw a different video on here delving into Melina that I found very interesting. The theory there was that the gloam eyed queen was the rune of death, and Radagon was the rune of order. Runes made flesh basically. And when maliketh defeated death and bound the rune in his sword he trapped the gloam eyed queen. But when ranni stole a piece of the rune of death and started the whole thing she created Melina, as a mingling of ranni herself and the gloam eyed queen. Hence the fact that she looks like Melina, but has the gloam eyed queen's purple eye, held shut with a crow's talon tattoo. It opens when you do the frenzied flame ending without letting melina sacrifice herself. On the subject of ranni though. I agree that there's nothing in the game that says being born of a single God is a requirement for being an empyrean. Only that because they were born of a single God melina and miquella were empyreans.
Honestly man this is one of the most well put together lore videos I’ve seen other than Vaati, and I mean that as a compliment completely. We’ve seen lore channels popping up left and right but almost none of them have put videos together this well. Thanks for the great content and can’t wait for the next one.
Very great video as always. There is just one point I heavily disagree with. Morgott is very, very heavily implied to have harboured ambitions to become an Elden Lord. When he is lying on the floor dying after being defeated he says: "Tarnished, thou'rt but a fool. The Erdtree wards off all who deign approach. We are... we are all forsaken. None may claim the title of Elden Lord. Thy deeds shall be met with failure, just as I."
This may be a hot take but I think Morgott is the most interesting demigod. It may be because he is my favorite fight in the game followed closely by Maliketh and Mohg but I think his lore and fight are really cool.
Happy to see you doing the thing Jake. You were always the SoulsTuber that balanced established lore with fanciful theories the best and I’m excited to see what you’ll try to shake out of this game.
These lore videos are phenomenal. The editing, the narration and the research are just so polished. You bring the world of Elden Ring to life. It's much appreciated.
Being born of one god is not a prerequisite for being an empyrean. An empyrean is essentially just a fancy name for a god candidate that will replace Marika.
If that were the case, then shedding the flesh she was born into wouldn't have stopped Ranni from being Empyrean. Not to mention the very definition of Empyrean means heavenly or celestial.
one thing of note, godefroy likely predated godrick, its likely he is the originator of the art of grafting, which his descendant took up once again, just when godefrey did it all the lords were united and would turn against him hence why he was imprisoned, it also makes sense with how godefroy is actually more powerful then godrick(other then lacking a phase two do to not having a dragon head), likely because being of an earlier generation his divine blood is less diluted
Something I noticed, The Twinned helmet and the house Haslow helmet are the same but just a different variation. Could D and his Twin bro have a deeper connection to the tree? And is this the reason they were exiled from house Haslow? (Assuming they are connected to the family in some way) idk.. just something about Radagon and Marika being one entity makes me think D and his brother are more important than we originally thought.
I dont think they have a direct connection but D is an amazing parallel to Radagon and Marika, since the D brothers were of two bodies but one soul, the exact opposite of Marika/Rad. Also, the Golden Order was the only "faction" that accepted the brothers, since they were considered freaks in the eyes of others. They def symbolize the Duality theme of Elden Ring and I too feel they are more important than what we see
Just want to say, I love your videos. The amount of research you have to do must be insane. After watching your videos I can say I am most interested in Ranni's situation. I think her origins will be surprising. I hope more is explained in a DLC. I always wondered why her doll has four arms or why you can see her soul partly outside of it.
So obviously we know Malenia bloomed once at the battle of aeonia, and another time when the tarnished fights her. What I want to know is, when did it bloom before the battle in the Haligtree roots? I know we can see a bloom on the side room before her boss fight, but was that her? And is there any info on WHY she bloomed that other time? It seems it's normally a type of hail Mary play on her end, but what would cause it beyond Radahn and the final fight with the tarnished. I've been searching and I can't find even any theories on it
It didn't, it's believed that bloom in the roots is the original from aeonia, Finlay carried her back as the bloom as she stays formant in the centre of each flower each bloom until she reveals her new metamorphosis
The second bloom we see before fighting her may have happened during her brother's kid napping. That's what I think anyway. The third happened when we fought her. We see her turn into a god, because it's her third bloom.
I respect and appreciate your work. I had found Elden Rings lore quite interesting. So I decided to look it up on RUclips. I found you and have learned so much more, certain things make more sense and you make excellent videos as well. Both intriguing in the way you speak and describe. Great content.
16:36 I think Ranni's origin as an Empyrean is much simpler. Rennala isn't a god. Thus, she is birthed of only one God, Radagon, and one who is not, Rennala.
Think about it man, if that was the case then why were none of her brothers or step brothers Empyrean. Birthed by a single God clearly means born from different forms of same God, not one God and some random person.
I really do like your videos just as much as vaati's. Never understood why you didn't have just as many subs and views my dude. Keep making kick ass vids bruh. I'll keep watching!
There’s so many lore videos out already as of now. However I only click on lore videos that are more than 20 min as they are good to place and listen on background
I really hope the myth that Empyrean means "born of a single god" falls out of favor, it's a title that simply means someone was selected by the Fingers to be a potential replacement for the current ruler. The cursed twins were "born of a single God and as such were Empyrean" is the same thing as saying "cats are mammals", it doesn't mean all mammals are cats.
Empyreans are children of true god's, So Ranni is one because she is born to Radagon and Renalla. You're correct, it doesn't have to be one god, it saying that the twins were born of one god and had complications is just the game teasing at the big secret of Radagon and Marika being the same, essentially saying that Melania and miquella are selfcest babies, not that empyreans must be of one god.
@@joshuavasiliou I'm not sure that's the case though, I mean people want to tie Empyrean to being the child of a God because the word relates to the sky/heavens. But from what I've read it simply means the Fingers have choosen someone to be the "God" of the next age, and the heavens being referred to are the realms of the Outer Gods who live amongst the stars. And we know of four Empyreans, the twins who were born of a single God; Ranni who is a demi-God, and the Gloam Eyed Queen, who we know nothing about. And although we aren't given titles, it's probably a fair assumption that the Dragon Elden Lord you can fight served as consort to a God as well, and that God was the Empyrean of an Outer God.
Marika is also an empyrean, and if you Google empyreans elden ring, the wiki has the item descriptions that detail how empyreans are born to gods. But I am open minded and am sure I could be wrong, happy lore hunting friend
Yeah, the myth that Empyrean is a race in the first place is pretty widespread at this point. Now, Melania's Rememberance definitely makes it sound like there are two guarantees *IF* you happen to be born of God Selfcest- 1 that you will be an Empyrean and 2 that you will be born with defects (Miquella eternal youth Melania Scarlet Rot). People seem to forget that Marika is an Empyrean as well. My take is that those who are born into being an Empyrean are not granted shadows but those that are chosen by the fingers (and thus the Greater Will) are granted Shadows. This is supported because Marika and Ranni are both chosen and weren't born into being an Empyrean. As far as it looks so far, if you are Born from One God you are a seriously strong being destined for Godhood (as Melania literally became the Rot Goddess in her second phase) but you are cursed. I think Empyrean is just another word for someone who is likely to ascend to Godhood, as only a God can replace Marika.
If I'm remembering correctly, Radagon was cursed with red hair after the defeat of the fire giants, and then passed that curse onto Radahn through 'genetics' (or the god equivalent haha)
also, I personally lean towards the theory that there is another way to be made an empyrean besides being 'born of a single god'--by being chosen by The Greater Will. After all, that's how Marika became a god in the first place
I always thought that the body that she took over is the actual daughter of the queen since ranni isn't her actual daughter. They say puppets but Sullivan says he is looking for another body to make into a puppet, is he a sick man perhaps. The game also has puppet summons but they are all people who where turned into puppets. Most of what I have encountered points to this I mean she helps rennala but not because it's her mom but to safeguard her items or treasure.
I think godrick only got his great rune because it was supposed to be godwyn’s since he was the favorite child and would make more sense to have the anchor rune
New Lore! More Lore! Lore for One! Lore for All! Yes. Thank you so much for this Jake! I look forward to all the new videos and Theories you'll create. Also do you have any thoughts for any Elden Ring DLCs? I've heard Miquella's awakening/return is a popular one.
Was Ranni the youngest demigod (she has the smallest throne)? Does she born from Rennala, amber egg / is it her twin? How's GW choose the Emperyan, does born from single god not enough (because defect), so it's passed to Ranni (who likes the moon rather than golden order)?
So there are three separate sets of children. Morgh, Morgott and Godwyn born of Marika & Godfrey. Ranni, Radahn and Rykard born of Radagan & Renalla. Finally Malenia and Miquellla born of Marika & Radagan. And then there's Godrick.
Haven't finished the video yet (headed to work and will have to wait until after lol), but I just wanted to mention a theory I have that Godrick's Great Rune was originally Godwyn's, or at least was MEANT to be Godwyn's But on top of that, when he took the rune and fled the capital, Godrick may have also taken a piece of Godwyn's body, planning to graft it into himself. But this never happened, because just like Godwyn's corpse bloated and mutated and spread roots into the Erdtree, the stolen piece (of godskin?) also began growing, until it formed the bizarre copy of the Prince of Death beneath Stormveil and spread roots all throughout the castle, slowly tearing it to pieces
I just imagine all the demigods being kids or preteens with someone asking them what they wanted to be when they grow up. Radahn riding around on Lenard's back with twin black wooden swords going "I'm going to be the best worrior just like Uncle Godfrey!" Malenia and Miquella just enjoying eachohter with Mohg hiding drawing him and Miquella holding handd. Morgott praying to a pitcher of the tree when not practice fighting. Ranni trying to sound older deadpan goes, "I'm going to have the rune of death carved into my brother's back and shed this tiny body to be a doll." Then someone just looks at Marika, Radogon, and Godfrey just to say, "Your all freaking weird."
The description about twins Melania and Miquella, say that they are Empyrean because they are children of a single god., does not mean these word is reversible. You buy food because you are hungry, does not necessary mean that you hungry because you buy food. All it say in the game is that an Empyrean is the next in line for god should the current god fall. So the first statement only mean that one way to be Empyrean is you are child of a single god, but it does not say that is the ONLY WAY. so Ranni does not need to be child of a single god to be Empyrean. So it is just up to the Greater Will to determine if you "qualify" I am sure Marika is also Empyrean because she was chosen to be the vessel, but there is no record that Marika is from single god, in fact, it most likely she is not... Why would you choose to be puppet of some outer god when you already all powerful ? It not like the golden lineage is "almighty and unstoppable". Queen Renela and the combine army certainly held the fight well (twice), and she is of no demi god or above (at least not stated in the game). So I would say Marika was not that powerful when she was chosen. but she may still be an Empyrean
That theory about why Ranni is an Empyrean is so good! Still, do we know for sure that the only way to be an Empyrean is to be born of a single god? Could't she have also been granted that title from the two fingers, who saw in her a new great potential ruler? Anyway, this was a great video! My favourite demigods' stories are Morgott's and Ranni's. I also really like Miquella's reasons and story but obviously we never get to talk to him or know his personality. Maybe in a DLC!
Empyrean is defined as heavenly or celestial, which think goes more hand in hand with the birth of a single god. I think it could be possible to be Empyrean if you're born from two full on gods, but as far as we know that isn't what's happening.
To be emperyean doesn't mean to be born of a single god, it means the two fingers (the outer will) had chosen them to have the capability of becoming a god to do the outer wills bidding in the land between
A brilliant video Jake, thanks for all the effort that has gone into this. I really liked the composition of a lot of the shots you have used....It really showed off the beauty of this game world. Cant wait for the next one, any topic in mind?
Thanks dude! I want to do at least one more, minimal speculation baseline video about the named Tarnished. Then I plan on getting into speculation-land. But we'll see, haha!
Waitwaitwaitwaitwait...but which one of them is Velka in disguise?! 😅 Kidding. But glad to have finished the game so I can start watching these. Welcome back, Ashen! Looking forward to your ER lore videos.
While Morgott is my favorite demigod and is a certified bamf, I don't think he's ever bested Radhan. The guy in the picture is too small to be Radahn, who is litterally a giant. I think it's just a Radahn knight mob from his army
No, he pretty clearly has Radahn's gauntlets on there. This is either a MUCH younger Radahn (keep in mind Morgott is still an Omen which are huge), or possibly Rykard, his brother. The only reason I'd consider that is because the soldiers don't have the telltale tusks of the Redmanes.
@@blizzardgaming7070 True, I assume this was an ambush on Morgott's part (he's been known to disguise himself as random soldiers) in order to keep Radahn inside Leyndell before he left for Caelid, or outside based on the siege of Leyndell shown in the trailer. Radahn is still stronger than Morgott, but Morgott is a demigod *and* an omen, he's never been weak.
We never fough Radahn at his peak strength, you know, considering that even when he fought malenia he still had the weight of the stars on him and even then malenia couldn’t outright best him.
You're right but she also seems to be blind, only has a single proper limb, and is slowly dying and probably feeling pain, that kinda counts as handicapp too
@@Lucas-st1xq I’d agree but what’s causing her to die also gives her powers so it’s a weird way to measure it. My personal opinion is that on any given day both of them could’ve won.
Malenia was Radahn's equal in battle without ever having used an incantation or sorcery, and Radahn's gravity magic is half his arsenal. If Malenia had learned even a single sorcery, she'd have easily bested Radahn.
Wrong. Wrong. There has been no suggestion of it being a strain on him. It's literally like him casting a spell and it's good. Stop over exaggerating him you damn simps
I’m still uncertain if the ‘born of a single god’ thing means only they can become empyreans, or if that’s just why the twins are empyrean, in their case.
I just realised how the large amounts of duality characters seem to exhibit maybe a direct analogy to how The greater will is also split between its two halves, order and chaos. The fact that the three fingers ,the denizens of the frenzied flame complete a hand with the two fingers implies they have a connection. The golden order is all about just that, order whereas the direct opposite to order is chaos or in other words frenzy. The fact that many characters seem to also adopt this split maybe due to the The greater will separating itself from its other half. Radagon and Marika are 2 parts to a greater whole but also minor characters such as D and his brother are supposedly of two minds with one soul. It’s also speculated Ranni and Melina are two aspects of one being. Maybe the people who live in the lands between are affected by the God that possesses the land and whatever this being does to itself is directly expressed by its followers and inhabitants. Maybe the reason Radagon and Marika split directly correlates to when the frenzied flame was created by the separation of the two split sides of one coin, order and chaos. It would also explain why Marika was willing to directly cause chaos whereas Radagon wanted to restore order while them still having one soul.
So I'm still playing the game (very early stages) Will any of this spoil things that I can learn in the game? Like revealing something about a boss or character that I haven't met yet, or have met but don't know everything about them but then eventually will discover new info about him after beating him or progressing in their quest line kinda thing. Or anything at all like that really? Or is it jsut info that will supplement what I see in the game so I can make sense of it that I wouldn't have understood by playing.
I still need answers for Radagon. It's unclear...and I think as said... very mysterious enigma, because how can he be husband to Rennalla, and wife to Godfrey. Let's say he/she is a unique example of hermaphrodite ( common in earth worms) then how can they have personality clashes over breaking and mending of elden ring. And it's not normal to call Merika as She...if Radagon is same as Merika...we can call them" they".
Honestly my only complaint about the lore of this game is that the names are so hard to keep straight. I spent my entire first playthrough mentally combining Godfrey and Godwyn, thinking that Godwyn was the first Elden Lord, and that he was also the first to die, which made him ALSO the Prince of Death who Fia wanted you to not mess with, but then he shows up first in spirit form and then in the flesh at the end of the game and like....what. All that confusion would have been avoided if I had just realized they were two separate people, but you hear the names so infrequently that I didn't realize there were TWO other "God-" names aside from Godrick, and two separate people to go along with them. And we just don't talk about Godefroy.
@@pastorofmuppets4552 Yes I know that now. On my first playthrough I didn't realize that Godwyn and Godfrey were separate people because we rarely hear Godwyn's name after the intro cutscene.
Sorry this took so long to get out! I got so super busy recently, but normalcy has returned and I can try to get on a more consistent schedule! I want to do one more video in this entry series kind of laying out the ground floor level of lore for the world-building at what not. Then we'll get into all the nitty gritty red-string lore conspiracies and what not! Thanks for hanging out, and have a great weekend! =)
How dare you take so long to deliver quality content! Thank you for the insight and lore on the demi gods tho much appreciated ❤️
Don’t you DARE apologize you magnificent fuck!
You are a GEM of a content creator and it’s ok to take your time and have a life, lest you go hollow.
Worth the wait! Keep up the great work no matter what gets in the way or how long it takes to get to us! We will be here ☺️
The idea that Ranni was created through the amber and this ‘rebirthing’ could’ve been a specific effort by Merricka to create a suitable replacement for her own throne, the creation would sort of be a clone of herself rather than this quasi incestuous relationship between her and radagon that may to be to blame for the cursed state of the other Empyrians.
This would also be more evidence for WHY it was Ranni thats supposed to take the place of Merricka, and why she felt there was so much predetermination to fight against.
Appreciate the hard work 👍
can i just say finlay the clean rot knight is an absolute unit to carry malenia from caleid to the haligtree
I have a feeling that Malenia's entire army in Caelid at the point helped Finlay get away while they stove off the redmane army, to the point they are still locked in battle after death in the war dead catacombs.
@@henryteo82 Her ashes state she was one of the few Cleanrot knights to escape. It also says she carried her all the way to the Haligtree alone, without any help.
In game summons he/she(I’m not sure) is one of the best other then blacknife and mimic tear.
@@Austib_ yeah of course I didn't mean the army went with her, but the team stayed behind and provided obstacles for the chasing army
@@henryteo82 Pretty sure its mentioned somewhere that barely any of either armies were left after the scarlet aeonia.
Morgott is definitely the most tragic one to me. Seeing Godfrey hold the dead body of the son he shunned deep underground, and who then went on to be the most stalwart defender of Godfreys legacy is just so heartbreaking.
It is never said that Godfrey shunned Morgott. He most likely had little say in anything Marika decided to do.
Judging by that scene, I think Godfrey probably cared for the Omen Twins but had little say in what Marika and the golden order decided. Godfrey was pretty much a means to an end for Marika and was even banished after he outlived his usefulness.
@@slothful2039 If we were to use our world to clarify. This would be the same as saying a husband who knowingly allowed his wife to abuse their disabled children and cast them aside did nothing wrong
@@emerystheimmortal417 The lands between very different rules. Marika is a literal vessel of an OUTER GOD… i wouldnt want to get on that bad side either
I think Miquella has him beat after the way Mohg abducted & violated him.
Somethings interesting to note, as Morgott deems all of his siblings traitors, he doesn’t mention his twin brothers name as one of them
mohg doesnt have a chair at the erdtree either. why is that?
Margit is his twin bro?
@@salamonsalman No, Mohg is his twin, Lord of Blood. He is a secret boss so you might have missed him.
It may be that Mohg just went so far off the deep end that he meant nothing to anyone anymore.
@@TheAshenHollow i am pretty sure he doesn't know about what mohg is doing.
Morgott is a certified badass, the way he unboxes his cursed sword and then reveals he is actually the king of Leyndell make him my favorite Demi god hands down. Also, amazing lore video as always!
The fact he bested Radahn in combat is a truly incredible feat considering Radahn is considered the strongest of all demigods. I don't understand how Radahn looks so small in the illustration though. He grew to the size of a house as opposed to when Morgott defeated him.
@@Wi11iamNZ perhaps Radhan was younger at the time?
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@@jasapotato8362 he was younger.
@@Wi11iamNZ Morgot works similar to a assassin, giving the picture of him vs Radahn, he clearly got the jump on him and could have killed him. It's impressive that he could successfully defend leyndel, and he had the element of surprise on Radahn
I guessing Miquella's end goal with giving himself a new body is similar to Rannis which is shedding his current empyrean flesh. The metamorphosis he would have gone inside the tree/cocoon would have gotten that result
Isn't itvthe other way around? Wasn't tge cocoon supposed to make him "fully empyrean" thus a god
@@thesourfountain9005 he was already an empyrean a different body he designed would release him from his 2 fingers and greater wills influence. Miquella has temporarily freed malenia of a outer gods influence and he wasn't pro greater will / golden order in the shattering.
his end goal from what ive heard was becoming an adult form because having a childs body is quite limiting in what he can do
I think it speaks volumes that Godwyn was Merika's most favored child considering just how powerful and honorable the other demigods were such as Malenia, Miquella and Radahn. That's why I believe it's testament to the fact that Merika truly does love Godfrey and only sent him away so that he could become even stronger and had every intention of taking him as her consort yet again once he returned to her. Furthermore I'd say that Godfrey absolutely loves Merika as well when you take into account how much Queen Merika's abandonment broke him and that since then only wished to return to her.. Honestly their story is so tragic but also beautiful at the same time and is definitely one of my favorites in the lore.
How did sending him away make him stronger?
@@Xlllth Yes I know about the long march. Unless i'm missing something I don't see how that made stronger. Before that he'd wared with the giants and ancient dragons. The long march was lightwork in comparison. So I don't see how sending him away made him stronger.
@@splinter360 well yes you are missing something, the most basic theme of fromsofr games its "adversity foster growth" marika sent godfrey away with the whole plan of the tarnished and giving them grace back again after they died, melina says so herself, how come he couldnt do that in the lands between as elden lord? well literally there where no worthy challenges left in there, also all this about growing in the face of hardships its direclty stated in dialogues in elden ring
anyways not that i think marika loved godfrey, my interpretation its that radagon and marika were always one and the same, radagon was born a giant and communed with the elden ring, becoming marika so she could marry the strongest warrior hoarah loux she was probably involved in the night of black knives because it was part of her plan
It's more plausible that Marika is emotionless being not good nor bad, she expelled Godfrey after he fulfilled his purpose as her personal war machine.
Godfrey loves his kids even Morgott an omen, you can see Godfrey really did feel love for him.
I feel like Godfrey got sideswiped by Marika/Golden orders intentions.
Perhaps Marika felt bad about it later on and that can examine her sudden desperation to just end all the bullshit subservience.
Consciousness or something beyond Godhood happened to her
then again there is a ghost in deeproot that contradicts the notion of Godwyn as her favored child. Don't remember the exact wording but it was along the lines of "soulless demigod, marikas unwanted child" and there is lots of evidence that points towards marika being involved in his assassination. For example the numen-rune description implies that Marika is from the numen race. The black knive set states that the assassins are also numen and rumored to have close ties to Marika. So why would the assassins, probably under Marikas command, make a deal to help Ranni to get rid of her empyrian flesh and kill Godwyn?
I think the favored child thing is only fassade. I don't mean that she explicitly wanted him dead, but she had no problem killing him when it was convenient for her or maybe she favored him in the beginning but began despising him later for reasons we still don't know. After Godwyns death she told Maliketh to seal away destined death, so death would never be stolen again (it is also explicitly stated that she betrayed Maliketh in either his remembrance, armor set or weapon desciption). Maliketh was her shadow (like Blaidd to Ranni) so he would go mad and kill her with the power of destined death if she were to go against the greater will. After he sealed the rune of death Marika became the eternal queen as she banished death from the lands between and rendered her shadow useless. Godwyn was probably a sacrifice for that cause and then she could shatter the Elden Ring without repercussions. Her intentions for doing so are still unclear though... However many at least believe (including for example Vaatividya according to his lorevideo) that she might have believed that principles have to be broken down to be understood and possibly corrected, so she might have given the tarnished the chance to change the golden order for the better, even though it would happen far in the future.
I used to think Godrick was disgusting and detestable, and he is, but now I can’t but help feel those feelings are superseded by pity. He became the monster he is due to fear at his own weakness and, likely, mistreatment by his peers for being the diluted descendant of a much stronger man.
still no justification for the grafting
@@enthusiastofcute didn’t say it was
I think his final words when you defeat him make that pretty clear. Like he was aware of it as well and thats what drove him to start grafting and becoming a worse thing then a mere weakling. A mad Monster.
A Shardbearer cant be weak which he isn't, he is extremely strong. Pitiful is a great word because weakness isn't the right word
@@SH19922x Relative to his siblings, he is weak. That’s what the “weak” part is talking about
*mannnn* the realization that all my favorite Soulsborne content creators are just getting started makes me so pumped!
I got into these games very late after most lore videos were made. So this is a first for me to see them all popping up as I play the game from release!
@@terrydactyl2077 welcome to the club!
@@jas6853 thanks mate! I’ve already become obsessed with trying to piece as much as I can together by reading all the items in game and I’m just hanging for every bit of lore media that I find!
Elden Ring truley came out of nowhere and holy shit it's like even better then play Dark Souls for the first time and I hope Fromsoft becomes so successful we get more games more frequently
@@jeambeam3173 I hope we get 2 dlcs as good as old hunters and ringed city
In Godrick's defense, I'm pretty sure we've all coward at Malenia's feet.
Never, I will always rage against the rotted goddess till my dying breath, get up again and continue the never ending cycle
@@randomheadshot4291 **grabs some blood flies** So anyway I started blasting...
That boss is shit. Just shit
I beat her first time i personaliy found radagon and malikat black blade much harder
@@hatim-rusanuzun6667 It took me dozens and dozens of tries (at least until I changed my equipment and used NPC summons), by comparison, Maliketh took me like 3 tries and the final boss was first tried. I guess it depends on the person!
Other than playing Souls games, my absolute favorite part is the RUclips videos on the lore. I appreciate all the work and interpretations these creators put behind these productions.
=D
Mohg should have trimmed that one horn before it grew into his eye socket. Imagine what he could have done with working stereoscopic eyesight!
I feel like there should had more endings. The whole thing with unalloyed gold and scarlet rot not getting an ending just feels really strange.
Unalloyed gold is said to reject outer god, how is there not an age of man or something
Ikr after all the trouble of getting three fingered and defeating Malenia and finally reversing time to use miquella's needle. I just pray there is dlc🙏🙏🙏
Ranni's ending if properly translated states that you leave the lands between without any outer gods' influence, and let people just do whatever, without gods' meddling.
@@Hekk. well she leaves and takes with her souls
Also we keep talking about “proper translation” like the game designers put no effort in it. Maybe this was intentional and waifu ain’t so great
Got to leave stuff for the dlc my bro and or sequels
Probably dlc
Only thing is morgott tells you that he tried to even become lord but the erdtree rejected him, you can talk to him after you beat him
The really sad thing about killing Godrick is that he is the only one demigod still trying to become the Elden Lord and mend the land and the only one we are really forced to kill. After I realized that, Margit precence in Stormvei Castle was due to us, but to him wanting to keep an eye on Godrick's progress and evaluate his threat.
And why did Godrick resorted to grafts? He is "maidenless", he can't grow stronger to challenge his siblings in the same way we do. He has already tried to face Radahn and Malenia and berely made out of it alive... and still he kept trying.
it would have been fun to see an age of grafting ending.
Would make absolutely no sense but, having a little Marika head sticking out of you would be horrific
Considering how many people are vying for control of the elden ring, im surprised there's not any more endings related to the demigods.
Imagine a mechanic where you can replace a limb with a part of an enemy even if it's most of said enemies bodies
I can’t believe no-one is mentioning that Mohg took a comatose CHILD god to his BED and tried to be his consort!!? That is beyond messed up. Awesome video as always AH.
And also his brother
@@truearyan7880 hadn’t even thought of that - half brother but still damn!
Well. He’s technically an adult in a child’s body.
Like one of those Reddit moments when they try to simp for an anime girl with a child’s body that is actually a few hundred years old
Yeah a 100 year old, 9ft+, child lmao.
If Ranni’s fate was being held in stasis by the actions of Radahan, would that mean she would be unable to wield the Fingerslayer Blade, as it “Cannot be wielded by those without a fate, but is said to be able to harm the Greater Will and it’s vassals”?
Yeah pretty much
One of the reasons she wants you to kill him, that and it’ll reveal Nokron so she can get the finger slayer in the first place
You couldn't even get into the lost city without killing Radahn. It was Rannis destiny all along, but she needed someone to kill Radahn and makes the stars fall in order to get to the location of it. Nothing stopped her from wielding it other than the fact that it was buried in a lost civilization.
@@mmmorgi
Radahn's tampering with the star's thousand years voyage had put some hindrances on Ranni's fate.
"I was unconcious and my men brought me back to safety. That doesn't count as a loss!"
Malenia, blade of Miquella that has never known defeat.. Probably
Actually she won bc she rotted Rodahn's mind
Malenia is a pos. Both in lore and in game
@@konigstiger3252 if it weren't for her saviour, radahn would've ate her
@@konigstiger3252 i suppose radahn won the duel, but malenia won the war
It was a draw bro. Also she doesn't know defeat because she was unconscious, couldn't have known anything.
My favourites truly are Miquella, Malania, Ranni and Morgot. While I hate that Ranni killed Godwyn, maybe she intended to return his soul or took him out because he was the heir and possibly strongest of his siblings. If he'd lived, he would have easily taken the throne, considering how he easily bested a dragon and was dubbed "The Golden". I also feel infinitely sorry for Miquella, trapped in the body of a child while his siblings go to war, having not the strength or ability to stop them, then to top it off, he's kidnapped and forced to become a consort. Not even his sister knows he's gone. But a special shoutout to MVP Finley for carrying his general home
I believe Melina to be one of the demigods as well, probably an empyrean, direct sibling to Malenia and Miquella.
First and most obviously, the naming scheme can't be a coincidence. All the children of each pairing of demigods have similar names. Radagon and Renalla's children are Rs: Rykard, Radahn, Ranni (though her parentage is indeed in doubt if she's an empyrean, but she was clearly raised as a child of Renalla), and probably Renna. The children of Marika and Godfrey are Godrick, Godwyn, Godefroy -- the Omen twins Mohg and Morgott are likely named differently because of the stigma of being cursed Omens. (Correction: Godrick and Godefroy are further down the lineage, descendants of presumably Godwyn; not direct children of Marika and Godfrey. Still, there is a clear naming convention here identifying their ancestry.) The empyrean twins of Marika and Radagon are Malenia and Miquella -- "Melina" fits right in with them. All were born cursed by an outer god: Malenia with the scarlet rot, Miquella with youth, and Melina as the Kindling Maiden, destined to burn the Erdtree itself (Blade of Calling).
We know Melina was born at the foot of the Erdtree, given a task by her mother from within it, which she recalls at Leyndell is to burn down the Erdtree. She can hear Marika's past words at each of the churches. Melina is disembodied and needs to attach herself to a Tarnished to get her spirit to the foot of the Erdtree, presumably where her body is. The only person inside the Erdtree is Marika herself, imprisoned by the Greater Will -- that makes Marika Melina's mother. Couldn't be any other demigod chosen by another Outer God because they all have different symbols: we know from Turtle Pope's description of Radagon and Renalla's war that Marika was the house of the Tree and Renalla the Moon, and I'm sure other Houses are out there (the Gloam-Eyed Queen, the Dragons, the Giants, the Serpent, probably more). Furthermore, we know Marika gave others tasks against the Greater Will: she forced Hewg to smith for Tarnished until he made a weapon strong enough to kill a god, for example.
It's clear there's some kind of link between Melina and Ranni: "a gift from Torrent's former owner" and all that. Ranni plotted the Night of Black Knives, and she would have absolutely known of the curse on Melina. She would need the power of the demigod capable of burning the Erdtree for her new age to come to fruition, so she would have sought Melina's aid. (Though if that part failed then she would still be freed of the influence of the Greater Will and her assigned Fingers.) Ranni's spirit inhabiting the doll also looks strikingly similar to Melina, so much so that most people have assumed a deeper connection... but could it just be a family resemblance? (I wonder how Malenia's face shape lines up with Melina's, if it's as eerily similar as Ranni's spirit's face.) The Black Knife Assassins fight with daggers patterned after Melina's Blade of Calling imbued with Destined Death, and fight in a similar style, as if she trained them.
It's not bulletproof by a long shot, but it's the best I've been able to put together.
She is the dust eye queen i think
@@konigstiger3252 It's *possible* but I don't know if we know enough about the Gloam/Dusk-Eyed Queen to say for sure. Melina does significantly mention death and destined death a few times. If she was the GEQ and defeated by Maliketh, then that could explain why she's bodiless.
I agree with most of what you said except i doubt anybody knew Marika was imprisoned by brambles, though they knew Marika was within the Erdtree. Melina only surmised they needed to burn the tree when she saw the thorns herself.
Many believe Ranni to be Melina but the only connection was a closed eye and marks around their eyes. They behaved so differently around us, with Ranni appearing regal and authoritative (you may approach me) while everytime Melina appears she kneels in subservience to us, asking us for permission to speak.
@@konigstiger3252 I think she's the queen's daughter
The children of Marika and Godfrey are Godwyn, Morgott and Mogh. Godrick and Godefroy are distant decendants of the golden lineage.
Nice vid!
As a lore nerd myself, gotta say everything was spot on!
Tho one thing. I could be wrong but i think godfroy was the very first person to use grafting. Godrick then got inspired and did the same
At the Haligtree, I thought the heralds were there for Malenia. Since during the Tarnished's battle, she bloom into a Goddess.
Godfrey is the true badass boss of the game. His character, power, move set. Just a beast
If Ranni was the offspring of Radagon alone, making her an empyrean, then she inherited 100% genes from him. Her original body was human sized, not giant sized. Radagon was not of giant blood. Radahn grew to enormous size after his mastery of gravity magic, it probably affected him in some way unrelated to his parentage.
Radagon was angry to be associated with the giants because of his red hair, not because he was actually cursed by the giants(the item description noted it was rumoured, not a fact) but because he was not. His red hair was more likely to be associated with the red wolves, from which may be part of his origins. Radagon was the one who learnt glintstone magic from the academy, why would all the red wolves be able to use them unless they shared a link somehow? The hint comes from Gowry and the way his rebirth ability as long as there are rot-pests in existence.
Ranni's original body is not human sized, it's about the same size if not slightly smaller than Radagon's.
It's also possible that long term use of great runes increased their height to varying degrees since when we beat Morgott and he loses his great rune he becomes much smaller.
That’s not how genes work, if Radagon has giant genes it doesn’t mean every single one of his kids would be giant some might and others might not. We also don’t know if Radahn was born after Ranni and So Ranni could’ve been born before Radagon was ever cursed with the giants red hair
Ranni's body is Renala sized,
Radahn learnt gravity magic BECAUSE he was growing so large, you're getting the order wrong
If only there was a secret in which you could use the gold needle you can get on Rahdahn and either unlock a whole new ending where you bring about RAHDAHNS will or even completely alter the boss fight
What would Rahdahn's order be anyway? I think he would just fix the ring and continue what he was already doing
@@user-pj1ec5om5g Radhans knowledge of the stars would be used to make a space ship. Which the next from softgame would take place. He will conquer the stars!
@@brysonbridges1496 that’s more if a Ranni thing tbh
I see a lot of questions about whether or not Miquella is corrupted by blood- but he very well could be pure still because of his unalloyed gold defending him from the Formless Mother
Love the vid!
One thing I think they did say though was Morgott tried to become the Elden Lord, but he said that he was rejected as well (I think its right after you defeat him). He probably thought it was because of his curse, but most likely its because Marika wanted everyone to suffer.
Keep up the good work man, and take all the time you need. Look forward to the next one!
He says that he failed when he's all shriveled up on the ground. I didn't want to go into too much because I didn't want to speculate too much in this video, because I think it can be seen in multiple ways, including failing to protect the Erdtree.
Isn’t that kind of fucked up if true? Morgott would be the consort of marika, his own mother. Truly, grrm’s fingerprints are all over this game
I don't think it was Marika's own will who sealed the tree. The "thorns" has Radagon's rune (criss-crossing lines) on it, so it's probably Radagon's or the Golden Order's idea (As Radagon is the leal hound of the Golden Order, how much of his own will did he have in that is debatable), not Marika's (I mean they're the same god but they do have different wills)
Is it really ever said that an Empyrean must be someone born only of gods? It’s definitely said that Melania and Miquella were Empyrean because they were born of one god, but I’m not sure there’s any evidence to suggest that this is the ONLY way to be Empyrean. In fact, it is stated that the Gloam-eyed queen was an Empyrean “chosen by the two fingers.” This is an important point to get right, because it is the only “evidence” to suggest that Rennala isn’t Ranni’s birth mother
Yes, the Two Fingers will go out and choose an Empyrean they believe should succeed Marika. But the definition of Empyrean itself means heavenly or celestial. Which I believe lends more to the whole single God thing, or potentially of two gods. But there was only ever one fornicating with themselves that we know of.
@@TheAshenHollow I think that Ranni was not necessarily born of one God, I think Empyrean has nothing to do with being born of one God/Demigod.
I think that the whole born of one God thing is unique to Milenia and Miquella- and its an odd coincidence that these two characters are also said to be cursed from birth. I believe it alludes that the 'curses' are similar to birth defects because of the fact that it's from one being. Ranni on the other hand I believe was chosen to be an Empyrean- I don't believe she is born from one God alone
@@FuhqNugget the other reason people believe Ranni was adopted by Rennala is because there’s a lot of evidence Melina and Ranni are the same person, biggest of which that the spectral face of Rannis matches almost exactly to Melinas face. Melina is almost definitely Marikas daughter so if Ranni and Melina are twin sisters she can’t of been Rennalas true daughter. I think Ranni is older than Rykard and Radahn and Radagon brought her with him to Carian Manor most likely
@@kobragaming9420 i saw a different video on here delving into Melina that I found very interesting.
The theory there was that the gloam eyed queen was the rune of death, and Radagon was the rune of order. Runes made flesh basically.
And when maliketh defeated death and bound the rune in his sword he trapped the gloam eyed queen.
But when ranni stole a piece of the rune of death and started the whole thing she created Melina, as a mingling of ranni herself and the gloam eyed queen. Hence the fact that she looks like Melina, but has the gloam eyed queen's purple eye, held shut with a crow's talon tattoo. It opens when you do the frenzied flame ending without letting melina sacrifice herself.
On the subject of ranni though. I agree that there's nothing in the game that says being born of a single God is a requirement for being an empyrean. Only that because they were born of a single God melina and miquella were empyreans.
@@matthiashejlskov5008 damn that theories actually pretty cool do you remember the name of the video?
Honestly man this is one of the most well put together lore videos I’ve seen other than Vaati, and I mean that as a compliment completely. We’ve seen lore channels popping up left and right but almost none of them have put videos together this well. Thanks for the great content and can’t wait for the next one.
Very great video as always. There is just one point I heavily disagree with. Morgott is very, very heavily implied to have harboured ambitions to become an Elden Lord. When he is lying on the floor dying after being defeated he says: "Tarnished, thou'rt but a fool.
The Erdtree wards off all who deign approach.
We are... we are all forsaken.
None may claim the title of Elden Lord.
Thy deeds shall be met with failure, just as I."
The general Radahn fight is one of the best in any video game I’ve played. Gave me chills when I first fought him.
This may be a hot take but I think Morgott is the most interesting demigod. It may be because he is my favorite fight in the game followed closely by Maliketh and Mohg but I think his lore and fight are really cool.
What about crucible knight ORDOVIS ?
Happy to see you doing the thing Jake. You were always the SoulsTuber that balanced established lore with fanciful theories the best and I’m excited to see what you’ll try to shake out of this game.
Well done mate, I enjoy hearing different interpretations of the lore and yours was wonderful. Keep up the good work friend.
These lore videos are phenomenal. The editing, the narration and the research are just so polished. You bring the world of Elden Ring to life. It's much appreciated.
i don't think being an empyrean necessarily means being born of a single god, it just means someone that is chosen to be in contact with an outer god
Being born of one god is not a prerequisite for being an empyrean. An empyrean is essentially just a fancy name for a god candidate that will replace Marika.
If that were the case, then shedding the flesh she was born into wouldn't have stopped Ranni from being Empyrean. Not to mention the very definition of Empyrean means heavenly or celestial.
one thing of note, godefroy likely predated godrick, its likely he is the originator of the art of grafting, which his descendant took up once again, just when godefrey did it all the lords were united and would turn against him hence why he was imprisoned, it also makes sense with how godefroy is actually more powerful then godrick(other then lacking a phase two do to not having a dragon head), likely because being of an earlier generation his divine blood is less diluted
Something I noticed, The Twinned helmet and the house Haslow helmet are the same but just a different variation. Could D and his Twin bro have a deeper connection to the tree? And is this the reason they were exiled from house Haslow? (Assuming they are connected to the family in some way) idk.. just something about Radagon and Marika being one entity makes me think D and his brother are more important than we originally thought.
I dont think they have a direct connection but D is an amazing parallel to Radagon and Marika, since the D brothers were of two bodies but one soul, the exact opposite of Marika/Rad. Also, the Golden Order was the only "faction" that accepted the brothers, since they were considered freaks in the eyes of others. They def symbolize the Duality theme of Elden Ring and I too feel they are more important than what we see
Most succinct Elden Ring lore video I've seen yet. Great content. Keep it up.
Just want to say, I love your videos. The amount of research you have to do must be insane. After watching your videos I can say I am most interested in Ranni's situation. I think her origins will be surprising. I hope more is explained in a DLC. I always wondered why her doll has four arms or why you can see her soul partly outside of it.
So obviously we know Malenia bloomed once at the battle of aeonia, and another time when the tarnished fights her. What I want to know is, when did it bloom before the battle in the Haligtree roots? I know we can see a bloom on the side room before her boss fight, but was that her? And is there any info on WHY she bloomed that other time? It seems it's normally a type of hail Mary play on her end, but what would cause it beyond Radahn and the final fight with the tarnished. I've been searching and I can't find even any theories on it
It didn't, it's believed that bloom in the roots is the original from aeonia, Finlay carried her back as the bloom as she stays formant in the centre of each flower each bloom until she reveals her new metamorphosis
The second bloom we see before fighting her may have happened during her brother's kid napping. That's what I think anyway. The third happened when we fought her. We see her turn into a god, because it's her third bloom.
I think the first bloom was when she first discovered/developed the ability while training with her master.
@@thedarklordx it mentions her first bloom was against Radahn
Well actually, I'm pretty sure it mentions her first bloom was against Radahn, as an item description but I could be mistaken my friend
I respect and appreciate your work.
I had found Elden Rings lore quite interesting. So I decided to look it up on RUclips. I found you and have learned so much more, certain things make more sense and you make excellent videos as well. Both intriguing in the way you speak and describe. Great content.
Thanks dude! That means a lot! 🙂
Dude... great video.. nice simple descriptions of each characters lore.. very easy to absorb
Yo thx bro this video really helped me understand all the demigods lore keep up the vids
16:36 I think Ranni's origin as an Empyrean is much simpler. Rennala isn't a god. Thus, she is birthed of only one God, Radagon, and one who is not, Rennala.
Think about it man, if that was the case then why were none of her brothers or step brothers Empyrean. Birthed by a single God clearly means born from different forms of same God, not one God and some random person.
This can't be the case as NONE of Godfreys children, with Marika, are Empyrion.
10/10, would watch again. XD
Love the video Hollow, this is a great tool for organizing all this information.
Thanks dude, you're too kind! =)
I really do like your videos just as much as vaati's. Never understood why you didn't have just as many subs and views my dude. Keep making kick ass vids bruh. I'll keep watching!
There’s so many lore videos out already as of now. However I only click on lore videos that are more than 20 min as they are good to place and listen on background
I really hope the myth that Empyrean means "born of a single god" falls out of favor, it's a title that simply means someone was selected by the Fingers to be a potential replacement for the current ruler.
The cursed twins were "born of a single God and as such were Empyrean" is the same thing as saying "cats are mammals", it doesn't mean all mammals are cats.
Empyreans are children of true god's, So Ranni is one because she is born to Radagon and Renalla. You're correct, it doesn't have to be one god, it saying that the twins were born of one god and had complications is just the game teasing at the big secret of Radagon and Marika being the same, essentially saying that Melania and miquella are selfcest babies, not that empyreans must be of one god.
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I'm not sure that's the case though, I mean people want to tie Empyrean to being the child of a God because the word relates to the sky/heavens.
But from what I've read it simply means the Fingers have choosen someone to be the "God" of the next age, and the heavens being referred to are the realms of the Outer Gods who live amongst the stars.
And we know of four Empyreans, the twins who were born of a single God; Ranni who is a demi-God, and the Gloam Eyed Queen, who we know nothing about.
And although we aren't given titles, it's probably a fair assumption that the Dragon Elden Lord you can fight served as consort to a God as well, and that God was the Empyrean of an Outer God.
Marika is also an empyrean, and if you Google empyreans elden ring, the wiki has the item descriptions that detail how empyreans are born to gods. But I am open minded and am sure I could be wrong, happy lore hunting friend
Yeah, the myth that Empyrean is a race in the first place is pretty widespread at this point.
Now, Melania's Rememberance definitely makes it sound like there are two guarantees *IF* you happen to be born of God Selfcest- 1 that you will be an Empyrean and 2 that you will be born with defects (Miquella eternal youth Melania Scarlet Rot).
People seem to forget that Marika is an Empyrean as well. My take is that those who are born into being an Empyrean are not granted shadows but those that are chosen by the fingers (and thus the Greater Will) are granted Shadows. This is supported because Marika and Ranni are both chosen and weren't born into being an Empyrean. As far as it looks so far, if you are Born from One God you are a seriously strong being destined for Godhood (as Melania literally became the Rot Goddess in her second phase) but you are cursed.
I think Empyrean is just another word for someone who is likely to ascend to Godhood, as only a God can replace Marika.
Malenia, Morgott, Ranni, and Maliketh’s stories are so good man
Seems like it's more implied that Marika herself was behind the night of black knives rather than Ranni.
This was such a good video, thanks for the lore lesson !! Rly excited for any future lore vids.
Dope video! I love how you put the item source in the left hand corner.
Thank you, Jake. That was very clarrifying! Love your vids
I appreciate how good the lore is keeps me so inlove with this game
2:55 I’m pretty sure Godefroy was Godrick’s ancestor/predecessor, not a product of him.
If I'm remembering correctly, Radagon was cursed with red hair after the defeat of the fire giants, and then passed that curse onto Radahn through 'genetics' (or the god equivalent haha)
also, I personally lean towards the theory that there is another way to be made an empyrean besides being 'born of a single god'--by being chosen by The Greater Will. After all, that's how Marika became a god in the first place
@@rxdice yeah I believe being born of a single God is just one way to be an Empyrean
I always thought that the body that she took over is the actual daughter of the queen since ranni isn't her actual daughter. They say puppets but Sullivan says he is looking for another body to make into a puppet, is he a sick man perhaps. The game also has puppet summons but they are all people who where turned into puppets. Most of what I have encountered points to this I mean she helps rennala but not because it's her mom but to safeguard her items or treasure.
I think godrick only got his great rune because it was supposed to be godwyn’s since he was the favorite child and would make more sense to have the anchor rune
New Lore! More Lore! Lore for One! Lore for All! Yes. Thank you so much for this Jake! I look forward to all the new videos and Theories you'll create. Also do you have any thoughts for any Elden Ring DLCs? I've heard Miquella's awakening/return is a popular one.
The Demi gods defiled the greater will and so where abandoned in the perfect order
I've been using your ASMR videos to help me sleep for so long that hearing your voice at a normal tone again caught me off guard lol
Was Ranni the youngest demigod (she has the smallest throne)? Does she born from Rennala, amber egg / is it her twin? How's GW choose the Emperyan, does born from single god not enough (because defect), so it's passed to Ranni (who likes the moon rather than golden order)?
So there are three separate sets of children.
Morgh, Morgott and Godwyn born of Marika & Godfrey.
Ranni, Radahn and Rykard born of Radagan & Renalla.
Finally Malenia and Miquellla born of Marika & Radagan.
And then there's Godrick.
Awwww~ so Sweet, Radanh Learn gravity so can be with his favorite pony XD
Haven't finished the video yet (headed to work and will have to wait until after lol), but I just wanted to mention a theory I have that Godrick's Great Rune was originally Godwyn's, or at least was MEANT to be Godwyn's
But on top of that, when he took the rune and fled the capital, Godrick may have also taken a piece of Godwyn's body, planning to graft it into himself. But this never happened, because just like Godwyn's corpse bloated and mutated and spread roots into the Erdtree, the stolen piece (of godskin?) also began growing, until it formed the bizarre copy of the Prince of Death beneath Stormveil and spread roots all throughout the castle, slowly tearing it to pieces
Morgott also founded the Night Cavalry. It doesn't relate to much, but it's a neat tidbit.
Excellent summary. Thank you for taking the time to craft it.
I never noticed the Melania and miquella statue! Thank you!
I just imagine all the demigods being kids or preteens with someone asking them what they wanted to be when they grow up. Radahn riding around on Lenard's back with twin black wooden swords going "I'm going to be the best worrior just like Uncle Godfrey!" Malenia and Miquella just enjoying eachohter with Mohg hiding drawing him and Miquella holding handd. Morgott praying to a pitcher of the tree when not practice fighting. Ranni trying to sound older deadpan goes, "I'm going to have the rune of death carved into my brother's back and shed this tiny body to be a doll." Then someone just looks at Marika, Radogon, and Godfrey just to say, "Your all freaking weird."
The description about twins Melania and Miquella, say that they are Empyrean because they are children of a single god., does not mean these word is reversible.
You buy food because you are hungry, does not necessary mean that you hungry because you buy food.
All it say in the game is that an Empyrean is the next in line for god should the current god fall.
So the first statement only mean that one way to be Empyrean is you are child of a single god, but it does not say that is the ONLY WAY. so Ranni does not need to be child of a single god to be Empyrean.
So it is just up to the Greater Will to determine if you "qualify"
I am sure Marika is also Empyrean because she was chosen to be the vessel, but there is no record that Marika is from single god, in fact, it most likely she is not... Why would you choose to be puppet of some outer god when you already all powerful ? It not like the golden lineage is "almighty and unstoppable". Queen Renela and the combine army certainly held the fight well (twice), and she is of no demi god or above (at least not stated in the game).
So I would say Marika was not that powerful when she was chosen. but she may still be an Empyrean
Finlay is a real one no questions asked
That theory about why Ranni is an Empyrean is so good! Still, do we know for sure that the only way to be an Empyrean is to be born of a single god? Could't she have also been granted that title from the two fingers, who saw in her a new great potential ruler?
Anyway, this was a great video! My favourite demigods' stories are Morgott's and Ranni's. I also really like Miquella's reasons and story but obviously we never get to talk to him or know his personality. Maybe in a DLC!
Empyrean is defined as heavenly or celestial, which think goes more hand in hand with the birth of a single god. I think it could be possible to be Empyrean if you're born from two full on gods, but as far as we know that isn't what's happening.
To be emperyean doesn't mean to be born of a single god, it means the two fingers (the outer will) had chosen them to have the capability of becoming a god to do the outer wills bidding in the land between
A brilliant video Jake, thanks for all the effort that has gone into this. I really liked the composition of a lot of the shots you have used....It really showed off the beauty of this game world. Cant wait for the next one, any topic in mind?
Thanks dude! I want to do at least one more, minimal speculation baseline video about the named Tarnished. Then I plan on getting into speculation-land. But we'll see, haha!
Notice how the Oracle Envoy plays even after the shattering. I assume that's because our character is the god they are heralding.
Heralding, and then attacking on sight. Stupid creatures should make up their minds.
Amazing video. Like the previous one, easy to understand
I feel bad for Morgott, I’m glad I picked the Perfect Order ending
Lore is sometimes so confusing because all of the same like names; Godfrey/Godrick/Radahn/Radagon/Ranni/Renni etc ;-) Great video, thanks.
Waitwaitwaitwaitwait...but which one of them is Velka in disguise?! 😅
Kidding. But glad to have finished the game so I can start watching these. Welcome back, Ashen! Looking forward to your ER lore videos.
Haha, we'll get into that in a separate video! xD
godrick was inspired to graft by his ancestor Godefroy, who was imprisoned in the royal capital
While Morgott is my favorite demigod and is a certified bamf, I don't think he's ever bested Radhan. The guy in the picture is too small to be Radahn, who is litterally a giant. I think it's just a Radahn knight mob from his army
No, he pretty clearly has Radahn's gauntlets on there. This is either a MUCH younger Radahn (keep in mind Morgott is still an Omen which are huge), or possibly Rykard, his brother. The only reason I'd consider that is because the soldiers don't have the telltale tusks of the Redmanes.
@@prawn1717 also, just getting knocked down doesn’t mean defeated.
@@blizzardgaming7070 True, I assume this was an ambush on Morgott's part (he's been known to disguise himself as random soldiers) in order to keep Radahn inside Leyndell before he left for Caelid, or outside based on the siege of Leyndell shown in the trailer. Radahn is still stronger than Morgott, but Morgott is a demigod *and* an omen, he's never been weak.
@@prawn1717 still, Morgott didn't use his cursed sword (he fought with the cane as Margit) nor did he use his cursed blood.
We never fough Radahn at his peak strength, you know, considering that even when he fought malenia he still had the weight of the stars on him and even then malenia couldn’t outright best him.
You're right but she also seems to be blind, only has a single proper limb, and is slowly dying and probably feeling pain, that kinda counts as handicapp too
@@Lucas-st1xq I’d agree but what’s causing her to die also gives her powers so it’s a weird way to measure it. My personal opinion is that on any given day both of them could’ve won.
True, Radahn truly is a beast
Malenia was Radahn's equal in battle without ever having used an incantation or sorcery, and Radahn's gravity magic is half his arsenal. If Malenia had learned even a single sorcery, she'd have easily bested Radahn.
Wrong. Wrong.
There has been no suggestion of it being a strain on him. It's literally like him casting a spell and it's good. Stop over exaggerating him you damn simps
bro miquella is a GOAT Mt man's Staved off malenia rot made new spells/incants made a safe haven for those exiled/forgotten mvp fr
Hey you are an amazing lore RUclipsr very underrated I expected you to have 1 million subs very high-quality work
That's very kind! =)
I’m still uncertain if the ‘born of a single god’ thing means only they can become empyreans, or if that’s just why the twins are empyrean, in their case.
I just realised how the large amounts of duality characters seem to exhibit maybe a direct analogy to how The greater will is also split between its two halves, order and chaos.
The fact that the three fingers ,the denizens of the frenzied flame complete a hand with the two fingers implies they have a connection. The golden order is all about just that, order whereas the direct opposite to order is chaos or in other words frenzy. The fact that many characters seem to also adopt this split maybe due to the The greater will separating itself from its other half. Radagon and Marika are 2 parts to a greater whole but also minor characters such as D and his brother are supposedly of two minds with one soul. It’s also speculated Ranni and Melina are two aspects of one being.
Maybe the people who live in the lands between are affected by the God that possesses the land and whatever this being does to itself is directly expressed by its followers and inhabitants. Maybe the reason Radagon and Marika split directly correlates to when the frenzied flame was created by the separation of the two split sides of one coin, order and chaos. It would also explain why Marika was willing to directly cause chaos whereas Radagon wanted to restore order while them still having one soul.
So I'm still playing the game (very early stages) Will any of this spoil things that I can learn in the game? Like revealing something about a boss or character that I haven't met yet, or have met but don't know everything about them but then eventually will discover new info about him after beating him or progressing in their quest line kinda thing. Or anything at all like that really? Or is it jsut info that will supplement what I see in the game so I can make sense of it that I wouldn't have understood by playing.
it will spoil everything!
@@saint1333 Fr? If so thank you for telling me lmao I almost started watching and would have been pisseddd
I like that you have your sources down at the bottom
I still need answers for Radagon. It's unclear...and I think as said... very mysterious enigma, because how can he be husband to Rennalla, and wife to Godfrey. Let's say he/she is a unique example of hermaphrodite ( common in earth worms) then how can they have personality clashes over breaking and mending of elden ring. And it's not normal to call Merika as She...if Radagon is same as Merika...we can call them" they".
Isn't Morgotts great rune the anchor rune? It's sais so in his great rune item description
Spent so much time leveling up only realize after a few videos that Godrick was more of a minor demigod and the fight with Margit was way tougher 😭
Feel like you need to call yourself the tarnished ashen hollow now.
Really wanna fight miquella and godwyn in the dlc. That would be really cool (qnd digusting) to see godwyns deformed corpse move around and fight
Radagon's res har came with THE war from the fire giants
Honestly my only complaint about the lore of this game is that the names are so hard to keep straight. I spent my entire first playthrough mentally combining Godfrey and Godwyn, thinking that Godwyn was the first Elden Lord, and that he was also the first to die, which made him ALSO the Prince of Death who Fia wanted you to not mess with, but then he shows up first in spirit form and then in the flesh at the end of the game and like....what. All that confusion would have been avoided if I had just realized they were two separate people, but you hear the names so infrequently that I didn't realize there were TWO other "God-" names aside from Godrick, and two separate people to go along with them.
And we just don't talk about Godefroy.
Godfrey is the first Elden Lord
@@pastorofmuppets4552 Yes I know that now. On my first playthrough I didn't realize that Godwyn and Godfrey were separate people because we rarely hear Godwyn's name after the intro cutscene.
@@aperson9847 I didn’t realize you already basically said that until I read it again. My bad.
@@pastorofmuppets4552 all good :)
@@aperson9847 the names are too similar anyway
Radahn loved his pony so fucking much it's cute!!
Thank you 🇨🇦 We need a full on series of animation movies of all soul born!
You want to get to work on that bro!? Thanks🙏🏼