An old man once told me: "You don't need to show up to every fight your invited too" How much time that could have spent in prayer, bible reading, or walking the dog, have well meaning believers surrendered to scoffers and mockers on social media comment boards? You made a very strong and convicting argument. Thank you.
so true. I have had conversations with a lot of people on youtube and other platforms. Nates totally correct. The VAST majority of them don't want to have an honest conversation. I've been pleasantly surprised by a few atheists that have respectfully had a conversation with me and at the end genuinely express they wish me the best after our discussion. Definitely would be friends with these types of people irl. But sadly there are a lot of people out there that do NOT care and they make it known that they don't.
When I first started evangelizing, I got so discouraged and I cried and prayed to God, suddenly that scripture came to my mind and I was like 😮 wow! Why didn’t I think of that!? Lol thanks Holy Spirit. It helped me so much.
Almost no "atheists" are "debating" in good faith. Not at all. Consider 3 realities of the USA in 2024 (now). First, drug addicts and drug dealers are everywhere. Their "friends" are drug addicts and drug dealers. Second, functional illiterates are everywhere. They can't read anything more than brand names and price tags. Finally, for more than one well documented reason, our own government funds vast armies of "anti-Muslim" as well as "anti-Christian" charlatans. This is our reality. Here. Now. @@lilywhite
@@wet-readnot swine literally. The analogy is “don’t cast your pearls before swine”. Pearls are precious stones and pigs can have no concept of their value, so don’t give them any. For people who cannot understand the value of the gospel, don’t give it to them.
Not just silent he said "father forgive them for they know not what they do" cant imagine he remained completely silent dining with tax collectors and prostitutes, but whatever he said, however he said it, he didnt drive them away. He did though, get angry in the temple, actually flipping tables. So, all in all, when out in the world, be kind, stay silent, be forgiving. When in the walls of your church, protect it.
@@Yipper64 Is that what he said? Or did he scream "Why have you abandoned me?" Or, did he remain resolute and silent? You have no idea because the Gospels do not even agree.
That is false. Unity in all mankind. It is written. No one wants to accept it. But hey. You all can enjoy hell with me as I won't turn on mankind. I will continue to say all mankind and burn for not following Jesus Christ. As Jesus Christ says all mankind. But I have not formed my union. People still choose to not come together.
And I am the guy who needed to hear this! I am that guy. I’ll spend all night arguing with atheists. What was I thinking. This video literally freed me.
I’m in awe of how God answers my questions. Thank you for this word. I needed this and God showed it to me and answered me once again. God bless your ministry. 🙏🏼
Just this morning I asked God to show me what I am doing wrong, then I click on this video. Guess I have to read some Proverbs to figure out how to apply this now.
One of my favorite passages is 1 Peter 3:15. "But in your hearts, honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you..." but a lot of people forget or even ignore the 2nd half of that verse. "...yet do it with gentleness and respect,"
If they are “asking,” we are obligated to give a reason for the hope we have! Then it’s, “Hey, you asked!” If they are scoffing, “Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be just like him.” Proverbs 26:4 NIV
2 Timothy 2:23-26 - 23. But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife, 24. but a servant of the Lord must not quarrel, but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, 25. in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth 26. And that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will. ❤️🙌🏾🙏🏾 I agree with you brother. This article about atheists is from a place of anger and goes against the Word of God. Let us always stand on God's Word for guidance as it is profitable for reproof, rebuke, for correction and teaching in sound doctrine. With love in Jesus name. ❤️🙌🏾🙏🏾
This comment should be pinned at the top. Excellent use of scripture. This could lead to Proverbs 22:24-25 Do not make friends with a person given to anger, Or go with a hot-tempered person, Or you will learn his ways And find a snare for yourself
@@sinqobilengubo2667Yes. This Scripture has not been taught in churches I have been in. Rather, performance-based teaching with no thought of Spirit-led conversation in some cases Thanks for your insight ☝🏼
This video was life changing. This was truly a REMINDER. It’s one thing to plant seeds vs engaging with ppl who truly don’t even want to change. This is why I never will debate. Btw Proverbs literally changed my life. Great video Shalom.
well said, i know nate comes from a debate background.. if he sees this, what are the percentages of people who flipped after the debate? i bet it's close to 0.. or like 0.1 % some crazy #.. sure God works on people, and maybe in years to come that would show through, but if people were genuine, before the darn thing is over they should kneel to Christ with how convicted some of these Christian debaters are! That said, I have seen some in other faiths that are quite convincing as well in their convictions so point is its just to argue more than anything it appears
@@watrbottl6138 you def have a point, i guess that is the idea(at least I assume, before nate, never really watched or knew much about debates tbh) But that does make sense certainly, like the man on the street that cliffe knectle does at schools.. its the 1 that you may be able to help open their eyes you are looking for.. As in the Bible its the 1 He wants, and will leave the 99 to get em.. 🙏🙏❤❤
does this apply to relatives? just yesterday my aunt called me a nun in a joking way (cant tell if shes mocking) and asked me how many sins did i commit for me to go to church yesterday and she was laughing...it hurt when she said that coz shes very close to me i just stayed silent and pray for it...i always wonder if i should respond or not but in the end i dont, thanks to the Holy Spirit❤
Nate. I DO hear you! Thank you for this video. I am one that would debate back and forth (in a civil fashion) with scoffers and always walk away wondering where I had failed. I would get on myself because if I just knew The Scriptures better, I could have helped the person. I will still try the initial talk but if I determine that I am dealing with a determined scoffer, I will now walk away. Know that this video lifted a dark cloud from overhead for me and I will be sharing it with some that I know that truly seek knowledge. May your weekend be truly blessed!
"The Righteous Mind" changed a lot of how I viewed differences in politics and religion. Haidt's moral foundations theory along with the elephant and rider illustration are so useful. We are not rational, we rationalize. The "addicted to outrage" model of social media is why I've almost completely stopped watching and engaging with political RUclips. Even among those that claim to be Christian the level of engagement is usually more like an assassin than a disciple. I think this kind of base and low frequency outrage engagement is what breeds lukewarm faith. We become acclimated to the world, why would anyone see Christians as different, holy, set apart if we continually act just like everyone else. I'll admit I've let emotions get the better of me and jumped to speak when I shouldn't have. But I have gotten better at not getting in arguments for no reason. When you live in a big city where almost no one shares your worldview it's very freeing to let it go.
One of my favorite apologists uses a question to determine if someone is willing to have a genuine discussion. He asks the if they found Christianity to be true, would they become a Christian. If they say no, these people aren’t willing to have a logical conversation. I’ve learned some people are better off being prayed for rather than debate with.
I'm reminded of Dr. David Wood's testimony - how, when he was an atheist in jail, one of the weirdest things he saw was a man (whom he found out was a Christian) who would turn away and start praying when a fight broke out. To paraphrase David's words, 'That's the only entertainment we got in there!' - so the question occurred to him, "What's with this guy?" Not acting like the world can have a powerful affect on people who haven't seen someone actually living like a Christian. There is a time to give an answer. But not everyone is listening, and not everyone wants an answer: a lot of the time, they're looking for a 'hook' - something to twist to use against you - rather than something to learn from. They won't learn from you, and that's not the goal in the questions they ask. Silence is often (though definitely not always) the best answer: don't discount it. The 'last word' isn't as valuable as you may be drawn to think it is. ----- Thanks for this vid.
Every second of this teaching of yours, Pastor Nate, was a gem. It did not even feel like it is almost 30 mins! Thank you for this. I have been a Christian for more than a decade now and I havenʼt really seen it that way. I grew up with this certain disposition of being belligerent about truths I hold dear about Christianity and it felt like I was doing the Kingdom of God a favor by always trying to effect an apologetic 'death blow' to refutations against the Christian faith when I argue my point towards unbelievers. But now that I was able to learn this, it took away an unnecessary burden that I often have regarding conflicts about communicating my beliefs as a Christian. I will be rewatching this again and will definitely be sharing this to my brothers in the faith. God bless you, Pastor Nate!
Thanks Nate. For this message. Your videos are helping me with my conversations with unbelievers. I’ve found since then began sharing boldly over the last year my ability to make people think more deeply has gotten better in a lot of ways from some of what you talked about today. I try to be as gentle and respectful while still telling the truth. And after a while if the person still is resistant I’ll ask them if I were able to prove to them that the God of the Bible exists would they follow Him? The answer is usually no. But if it’s yes It gives me a better idea of how far I can prod and then maybe follow up another time. It’s been such a wonderful learning experience
Amen. I gotta say, I love this type of personal message, even more than your reaction type videos (which are amazing as well). It's such a joy to hear the times when you address issues that the Sunday sermon almost never touches. Loving our enemies means we dont have to have theological debates with them. Some of us (myself included) love theological debates, but isnt it interesting how Christ spoke in parables to the masses, but only explained them to those who followed him? God bless you brother Nate.
Thanks Nate … very informative, useful and revealing podcast today! I’m definitely guilty of trying to endlessly spread the Gospel with scoffers … mostly with my family and friends. They claim to be believers but I’m not convinced they are even saved. When someone professes to be a believer but refuse to discuss God and Jesus Christ or even the Bible, I’m highly suspect! And you’re so right about RUclips … I don’t know how many times I’ve engaged in the comments with scoffers over discussions to do with God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. You’re correct … they don’t seek wisdom and knowledge, they seek arguing a point and have hardened hearts just as you say! And I’ve been willing to go down that same path of arguing my point! And for what? Never looked at it as throwing my pearls to swine but it makes perfect sense now! Thank you for showing me the light and I know now I must repent! Appreciate the insight and wisdom that you’ve imparted! God bless! 🙏🙌❤️🇨🇦
Nate, that little bit of gray in your beard is wisdom shining through brother. One of the many pitfalls of being called into the world for battle is the tendency to identify in what we stand against rather what we stand for. Ive noticed in myself when im frustrated with unbelievers I can begin to look like them. The critical heart is always there waiting on your consent. Thanks be to our brothers and sisters who encourage and remind us our identity is in Christ
As you went further, this take got better. it isn't just a Christianity thing either...politics and every hot topic fits into this principle. if the other person isn't interested in an actual conversation, then you are wasting your time..
Jesus in his trial was silent to the aggressively arrogant Pharisees and Sadducees, though when he was at Pilate's he witnessed to Him. When under attack from these don't engage, unless they truly shows a want for the Truth. Anger can open the door to sin, and once you sin in front of those people, they will not soon forget it
I praise Jesus that this video came, right on time. I have no words, God answered my prayer. My pride would lead me to do this very thing (consistently arguing and finding people to debate to prove the Gospel is truth) and it would create so much anxiety and I had no idea why.
God Bless you. We need more Christians to gather to learn how to deal with today's society. It is tough. I want to show God's love. My Simon Peter side comes out every time. 🙏🏻⚔️🇺🇸
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Now who is there to harm you if you are zealous for what is good? But even if you should suffer for righteousness’ sake, you will be blessed. Have no fear of them, nor be troubled, but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect, having a good conscience, so that, when you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame. For it is better to suffer for doing good, if that should be God’s will, than for doing evil. 1 Peter 3:13-17
Thank you Nate. I don't know if my family will ever have ears to hear. They are Mormons. The grandkids , A couple are atheist , gay, trans, one is new age. No one wants to hear ANYTHING about Jesus or the gospel, 😢 or how l got saved. They don't engage. I read Ezekial 33? about a watchman failing to warn the people being responsible for them. I do hear what you are saying , but it's hard for me to separate the two. They do respond better to the soft approach...which is moving at a snails pace. We also pray. (I was concidering leaving my testimony as my last words with love for them in a letter for whatever it may be worth?) On line, yes Athiests are big bullies. Most all non Christians are bullies. It's getting pretty worse, pretty rough out there. I have been limiting my comments to those who are open , and dropping Bible verses only. Thanks for the excellent video. Love your channel.
I'm right there with you, friend. My family are oneness pentecostals. I am met with yelling and name calling when I share bible verses. It's so emotionally draining spending any time with them. At get togethers, I find myself sitting quietly in despair because they are all unsaved. At the end of the day, it is up to them to believe it. We are not responsible, because we've shared the gospels and live our lives in obedience with God. There is still hope! As long as they have air in their lungs, there is still time. I pray for your unsaved family 🙏
@@beequeen626 Thankyou Bailey for the encouragement. Blessings to you and your family. May the Lord in His great mercy open their hearts and eyes, in Jesus name and according to His will. May you be comforted in His wings. ✝️🕊❤️🔥
You are spot on. I don’t know any scoffers at church. However, my work is a cesspool of scoffers . I am a police officer. Yes, correcting scoffers is exhausting and extremely pointless. Correcting scoffers is the definition of insanity. I stopped correcting years ago. Furthermore, I am guilty of correcting or arguing with scoffers on RUclips. I will stop. Thanks for pointing this out. Thank you so much for your videos. I would like to join your bible study on Matthew. Cheers brother.
Fantastic. This is a welcome rebuke. The Herod example is truly powerful. Being ready to give a reason for the faith that lies within you is meant for those seeking wisdom.
I’m grateful God has softened my heart to hear correction and not get defensive and angry, and led me to finding your channel. It’s important that we aren’t just joining “jesus club” and using the rhetoric and talking points but still behaving like the world. We must truly be the salt this world needs.
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms
What an important and valuable message! I have learned the hard way that it is fruitless to engage with hard hearted scoffers. Civil discourse can be very productive. Iron sharpens iron. Engaging with those who have made up their minds and refuse to listen is a waste of time and breath.
Nate---GREAT VIDEO. This was one of the best I've listened to from you if for nothing more than the simple fact that you were so real and brutally honest about the subject matter. It's such a critical topic and, like you said, not many people are talking about this. Not many people take to heart what you talked about here, and it's such a transformative message! It's nothing to take lightly, how we engage with people, how we discern the wise people from the scoffers, and how to decide not to involve ourselves more than we need to. We waste our time and efforts needlessly when we don't pay attention to the biblical points you highlighted here. Thank you SO much for using your passion for Christ to make content like this and inspire people like me towards an even stronger relationship with Jesus. I appreciate you, brother!
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I was tempted to hide my response. I am a little "called" Elder at my church. I have been told not to be so "hard" with my view of doctrine, as to not take away from someone's religious experience. Sola Fide. Sola Gratia, Sola Scriptura. Here I stand. I can do no other.
I needed this. I was on reddit and eventually got to a post about someome who was in the process possibly of killing themselves. I was searching the posts they made in to see if maybe forums they posted on hears from them or anything. One that he frequented when I inquired about him basically didnt want to speak about it since it wasnt relevant to the thread. People asked what i was talking about, it made me so upset that this person posted their last post about killing themself, had a picture in the tub filled with water and probably blood from slitting their wrist and they just worried about posting meme manga content. I ended up finding out they supposedly did end their life which saddened me. But to really just not care about the person just like that really screwed my mind up today. On the original forum of the deceases person someone tried to reach out to them and tell them they have worth with Christ and a person, seemed to be possessed by hatred went crazy. They were so mad about them preaching to them about their life having meaning. Then i responded to them too about it. I shouldnt have said satan works through them 😕 but it was so blatant that the enemy worked through them to the point saving the person didnt matter mentioning Jesus did. All of it really reminded how evil humans really are and need Christ. I have to leave it an pray for them. The scripture don't cast pearl among swine, the Lord revealed to me during my small mental break after this to not keep going. I have to let Him do His work and not get in the way
Recently discovered your channel just a few days ago. Initially I was hesitant to subscribe or like anything because I was afraid that I would be getting myself into a rabbit hole of ‘foolish controversies and quarrels’ that Paul says to avoid to 1 Timothy and Titus. I do appreciate that your videos seem to be more focused on teaching and how you talk towards the viewer instead of the video creators you criticize. There’s been quite a few things you’ve pointed out and said that has really made me learn and rethink things. Also appreciate that you approach common every day arguements against christianity without hesitation or disregard, for it gives me courage and a better idea on how to combat these things in love and good conscience. For I do often find myself in non-religious circles of people with these lines of thinking (I was also atheist before being saved, so I understand and relate to a lot of what they say, whilst knowing it’s not the truth) And after watching this, it really affirms to me that you’re not looking to pick fights out of pride like so many do. Thanks. Am honestly surprised I was able to find a channel like yours on youtube. I didn’t really think it was possible to be honest. Hope to take what you teach to heart and grow a further love for God and in what He says.
Great example of implementing wisdom. I love how you make the heart of a person who desires wisdom clear. To speak with clarity to those who are called and chosen. Listen before speaking. If you should speak at all. So be it. Let's seek peace, and not clash. Great quick message. Thanks.
I use to be like this. I’d throw info after info and get so frustrated when others wouldn’t listen. I finally stopped and only continued speaking to those who seemed willing to listen. Otherwise I’d end the conversation and wish people the best if they came back with vitriol or were unwilling to listen. It brought more peace to my life and while not everyone comes to Christ the ones I do see willing to open up mean so much more.
Great advice as usual. Thank you. I've been finding it easier to identify the scoffers over the past few months. At heart, I've found it to be an issue of pride, thinking I always had to respond. I'm becoming more prayerful and slower to react.
This helped me a lot. I've been the one answering those scoffers thinking I was doing God's work, when in reality, it's not doing any good. Thank you for this and showing me biblical discernment
Thw point is to go out into the world and preach the Gospel of Christ, baptising them in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit without getting into arguments and dealing with people who only wish to fight in any means, but usually verbally.
Titus 2:6-8 (ESV): Likewise, urge the younger men to be self-controlled. 7 Show yourself in all respects to be a model of good works, and in your teaching show integrity, dignity, 8 and sound speech that cannot be condemned, so that an opponent may be put to shame, having nothing evil to say about us.
What about--"Do not answer a fool according to his folly, Or you will also be like him. Answer a fool as his folly deserves, That he not be wise in his own eyes. Proverbs 26:4-5
James 1:19-25 (ESV): 19 Know this, my beloved brothers: let every person be quick to hear, slow to speak, slow to anger; 20 for the anger of man does not produce the righteousness of God. 21 Therefore put away all filthiness and rampant wickedness and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls. 22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. 23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks intently at his natural face in a mirror. 24 For he looks at himself and goes away and at once forgets what he was like. 25 But the one who looks into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and perseveres, being no hearer who forgets but a doer who acts, he will be blessed in his doing.
"Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels. And the Lord's servant[e] must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, 26 and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will." 2 Tim 2: 23-26
Those who live by the sword shall die by the sword. This is what keeps me from "fighting" physically. We are to fight spirtually, as our enemy isn't flesh and blood, but principalities, powers and darkness of the air, etc. I certainly feel the emotion, but that doesn't change what Jesus said we should be- the meek shall inherit the earth.
On a more serious note Nate, thanks for this reminder. I've wasted a lot of mental fortitude arguing with every scoffer that came my way. Sure it helped me with my debate skills but the Gospel isn't supposed to be a debate stage. God Bless
I agree with you but have a question. How are we supposed to interact with scoffers who fill up places like social media and are leading people astray? I have been seeing numerous Muslims doing this trying to confuse the gospel. These are scoffers, but how do we help their victims?
I sort of agree that we shouldn’t go out and seek quarrels with those who blatantly reject God. At the same time, however, Christians have ceded ground to secular progressivism for far too long. We need to humbly stand for truth, calling out the folly of trying to live autonomously without God. It’s no surprise that the world will come for Christians more and more, so be discerning and boldly stand for truth and humbly submit to the suffering as a consequence.
This is something that God has had to bring to my attention a few months ago. I would be on social media and comment on something. Obviously, the mockers would come and comment against my Christian statements. I could not control myself, I had to answer them. But, through much prayer and repentance, I do not answer. I used to wonder why people did not want the information I offered. I thought I was being helpful. But people were only looking to disagree and argue. Often, they became offended. God has helped me to just be silent.
We need to "fight" as Christians! We don't just give up our beliefs in order to "fight back"-We love. We respect. We teach. We offer help and alms and aid. We live as shining lights. We hold to the TRUTH and the Word of God, no matter what. THAT is how Christians "fight". Unfortunately, because of the culture, modern teaching, our own fallen natures etc we read an article like this and we drop our core beliefs and become like world....we get angry and hateful and violent....and that is absolutely wrong and sinful! So the article is kind of right in that we must fight and contend for the faith....but we do it _as Christians_
“Why do scoffers scoff?” “Because they are emotionally invested in their own sin.” That’s actually not a bad answer. I can think of at least a handful of scoffers in my life recently, and they are proud of their sin one way or the other. In their minds, sexual immorality becomes sexual superiority, harshness becomes courage, selfishness becomes murder through abortion, envy becomes helping the poor, etc. Reason can and will always be used to justify the emotions you are most invested in. (Maybe this is why the Universities make students invest so much time and money in the kinds of things they intend to the students to spread into general society…)
I admit and repent of this. I have gone crazy rebutting to some utube videos. To the point of getting ugly because they are just so evil and ridiculous. I needed to hear this and when I found this today…I have been serial watching.
Brother i would agree , and the aspect of that I think of Francis schaeffer's two-story house dichotomy in the factor that you know they don't well sorry yes as the two-story dichotomy and then I also think of Oz guinnesses explanation of the anatomy of unbelief to where people's suppress the truth grasp it roughly and twist it to their own end and a lot of people's not open they don't care because they've never really examined their life as Aristotle put it and it's it's I find it funny to the aspect of not really they're as you said they want to follow as you said they wanna be scoffers and God will harden their hearts because of that and it is a sad thing a very sad thing and it makes you wanna weep you're right not everybody deserves an answer and we should use wisdom wisdom and discernment to really check that I really like Greg coco's Columbo tactics asking questions so that way that you can really kind of feel for what's going on and everything but that's my two cents my thoughts.
This is why I don't get into "debates" or arguments. I look for the opportunity to share maybe even one sentence or one action by the leading of the Holy Spirit. I may never know what the effect of any interaction with me had on any person but it's not for me or my pride to necessarily know that. It's up to God to change someone in His time.
Although i agree with you and what the Bible says. There are so many weak believers who are not so routed in the faith who are easily influenced by these scoffers. This is why many fervent believers engage in arguments with them to convince these weak believers not to be influenced by these scoffers into leaving the faith.
If only there were more people like you. I would not have had the local preacher, trespassed off of my property. I told him multiple times to stop bothering me, did he listen? Not until I involved the police did he get the message. Now if he sets one toe on my property he can be arrested.
How do you reconcile this message with 1Peter 3:15-16 which tells us to 'ALWAYS be prepared to give an answer to EVERYONE who asks...' and 'but do this with gentleness and respect' if we are not to engage scoffers? God bless you brother!
I like this question and hope you don’t mind if I throw my hat into the ring here! 1 Peter 3:15-16 in the ESV says to always be prepared to make a DEFENSE to anyone who asks! Proverbs 9:7-9 says to not correct or reprove a scoffer, or you’ll get yourself abuse and hate I think God seems to instruct us to be ready to be prepared to defend our faith (defensive posture), but not try to rebuke a scoffer (offensive posture)…which coincides well with what Paul says in Romans 12:14-21 to (as much as we can) live peacefully with all people…and while this doesn’t mean NEVER engage in offensive apologetics, I think the proverb warns us to know when to walk away Of course I’m just some guy you don’t know on the internet, so feel free to disregard lol, but as a brother I still hope this helps!
I ask myself this question every day. "Maybe I'm the problem". This was an incredible video I learned so much. Should I present my pearls just to have them trampled on. We should save our wisdom to those who would not scoff at us
Thank you, I just finished going through Proverbs and hate to admit I read that but didn't put two and two together, you know? I think I need to go back through it but at a slower pace and contemplate longer than I have been. Thank you so much! This was❤ no accident getting the notification for your video. Praise the Lord! And the Holy Spirit for stopping me in my tracks before going into the next book.
This is golden Nate!!! When I watch this I see why God called you to preach and teach to a wider audience using this medium and I really appreciate all the wisdom you share. I’ve been thinking about this exact topic lately and you addressed it perfectly with scripture.
17:36 That is exactly how I approach "discipleship". The moment it becomes apparent that the person doesn't want the Truth, they want to argue a point, the conversation is over and my final word is to quote Jesus with, "if you were blind you would not be guilty, but because you say you see, behold... your sin is upon you..." And I'm gone...
Finally someone said the same thing that came to me also. Wisdom is a person, not a trait to own. Wisdom is given by God. God gives his Wisdom to those who Fear him. Fear God
Of course it would! Which is quite interesting. Nobody got to where they got to out of intellect alone. I have faith that God making us this way is how it has to be, in some kind of perfect way.
Thank you Nate, I so needed this. 🙏 I've been struggling with my temperament, not necessarily lashing out on anyone, but I do feel an irritation bubbling up when I see the discourse online. Don't cast the pearl before the swine. I'll focus on my own journey and walk in Christ, and discern between people who are truly open to hearing the Word, and those who'll scoff and mock. God bless. 🙏🕊 ✝️
I was listening to this while waiting for someone to stop by my house for Facebook market place pick up. I started the a conversation about Jesus asking her questions. She left with her purchase and a new Bible and tracts. ✝️👏✝️👏 This was an excellent teaching!!! It helped me TODAY! Thank you. I'm already sharing your post.✝️📖🙏🤍
TY Nate! I am always blessed by your teaching 🙏 I just don't engage anymore. I've had paragraphs written as a reply to a comment I've made on a video. Ridiculous and fruitless. Praise GOD for WISDOM!
It feels awful in a way, people doing things you know its only going to hurt them... But there's nothing you can do if they arent willing to change. Just let them do whatever it is, and ignore it. Its harsh but that's reality.
Im not gonna lie this video really spoke to me Mr. Sala. Especially when you said we only find reasoning to what we feel. HUGE wisdom right their. Im just a high school student/line cook for chilies and the people Im around on a daily basis could really use Jesus to get out of their sin and depression n when I try to open up to them they wanna argue about it. “Why do you believe in such an old book” “yeah whatever I believe in science” N I felt like I always had this pressure to keep opening up to people who wanna fight me on it. Thinking I need to build an argument n drop “truth bombs”. Instead now I realize I’ll just appreciate who they are. Love them the same as anybody. N try to be an example for them. I’ll try to speak Jesus to anyone I can but this made so much more sense. Someone who isn’t delighted in their scoffness and seeks truth and genuine answers to their questions. Thank you for bringing up this point!
This was definitely the direction I was discerning, particularly when it came to engaging scoffers on social media. "Pearls before swine" was exactly the message I was being reminded of. I truly appreciate the biblical deep-dive & confirmation.
I think I just realised God is real
AMEN !
Praise The Lord 🙏✝️
🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Wow! How so friend!?
Amen!
lets go glory to God!
Jesus did say when he sent out his apostles, " if they don't listen or welcome you, shake the dust off your sandals and go on your way" I agree 💯
An old man once told me: "You don't need to show up to every fight your invited too" How much time that could have spent in prayer, bible reading, or walking the dog, have well meaning believers surrendered to scoffers and mockers on social media comment boards?
You made a very strong and convicting argument. Thank you.
so true. I have had conversations with a lot of people on youtube and other platforms. Nates totally correct. The VAST majority of them don't want to have an honest conversation. I've been pleasantly surprised by a few atheists that have respectfully had a conversation with me and at the end genuinely express they wish me the best after our discussion. Definitely would be friends with these types of people irl. But sadly there are a lot of people out there that do NOT care and they make it known that they don't.
Pearls before swine. I'm always cognizant of that scripture when I'm tempted to take on a scoffer.
When I first started evangelizing, I got so discouraged and I cried and prayed to God, suddenly that scripture came to my mind and I was like 😮 wow! Why didn’t I think of that!? Lol thanks Holy Spirit. It helped me so much.
Almost no "atheists" are "debating" in good faith. Not at all. Consider 3 realities of the USA in 2024 (now). First, drug addicts and drug dealers are everywhere. Their "friends" are drug addicts and drug dealers. Second, functional illiterates are everywhere. They can't read anything more than brand names and price tags. Finally, for more than one well documented reason, our own government funds vast armies of "anti-Muslim" as well as "anti-Christian" charlatans. This is our reality. Here. Now. @@lilywhite
Honestly, this has already happened a long time ago..
@@lilywhiteholy spirit be spiriting
Don’t cast your pearls before swine! Often Jesus remained silent- even as they led Him to the cross.
How many people do you think are Pigmas?!
@@wet-readnot swine literally. The analogy is “don’t cast your pearls before swine”. Pearls are precious stones and pigs can have no concept of their value, so don’t give them any. For people who cannot understand the value of the gospel, don’t give it to them.
Not just silent he said "father forgive them for they know not what they do"
cant imagine he remained completely silent dining with tax collectors and prostitutes, but whatever he said, however he said it, he didnt drive them away.
He did though, get angry in the temple, actually flipping tables.
So, all in all, when out in the world, be kind, stay silent, be forgiving. When in the walls of your church, protect it.
@@Yipper64
Is that what he said? Or did he scream "Why have you abandoned me?"
Or, did he remain resolute and silent?
You have no idea because the Gospels do not even agree.
@@bobSeigar you dont know how to read historical documents do you?
This feels like a PSA from Heaven. It is a waste of precious mental bandwidth to engage scoffers.
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The last thing we should be doing is encouraging silence.
That is false. Unity in all mankind. It is written. No one wants to accept it. But hey. You all can enjoy hell with me as I won't turn on mankind. I will continue to say all mankind and burn for not following Jesus Christ. As Jesus Christ says all mankind. But I have not formed my union. People still choose to not come together.
@@Quincy_Morris I agree. But know when to quit. Plant the seed, let God do the rest.
@@Quincy_Morris Don't worry he is not saying to be silent. Be wise about who you engage in these back n forth conversations.
A very good word today. Keep up the good work. I’ve been a pastor for nearly 40 years and you are truly wise beyond your years. God bless!
Amen!!
Amen!
And I am the guy who needed to hear this! I am that guy. I’ll spend all night arguing with atheists. What was I thinking. This video literally freed me.
Same here bro, it's an easy trap to fall into ey😅
Same
I’ll continue to be this guy
I’m in awe of how God answers my questions. Thank you for this word. I needed this and God showed it to me and answered me once again. God bless your ministry. 🙏🏼
Just this morning I asked God to show me what I am doing wrong, then I click on this video. Guess I have to read some Proverbs to figure out how to apply this now.
The issue is not the evidence. The issue is the bondage of the unregenerate will resulting in the refusal to believe the evidence.
Amen!! I agree with this statement our God is so wonderful and gracious
One of my favorite passages is 1 Peter 3:15. "But in your hearts, honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you..." but a lot of people forget or even ignore the 2nd half of that verse. "...yet do it with gentleness and respect,"
The scoffers he describes are not asking. 'Stiff-necked atheists'.
If they are “asking,” we are obligated to give a reason for the hope we have! Then it’s, “Hey, you asked!” If they are scoffing, “Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be just like him.”
Proverbs 26:4 NIV
2 Timothy 2:23-26 - 23. But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife, 24. but a servant of the Lord must not quarrel, but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, 25. in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth 26. And that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will. ❤️🙌🏾🙏🏾
I agree with you brother. This article about atheists is from a place of anger and goes against the Word of God. Let us always stand on God's Word for guidance as it is profitable for reproof, rebuke, for correction and teaching in sound doctrine. With love in Jesus name. ❤️🙌🏾🙏🏾
This comment should be pinned at the top. Excellent use of scripture. This could lead to Proverbs 22:24-25 Do not make friends with a person given to anger, Or go with a hot-tempered person, Or you will learn his ways And find a snare for yourself
@@laughinghawk8522Thank you for the reply, love and blessings to you and your family in Jesus name. ❤️🙌🏾🙏🏾
@@sinqobilengubo2667Yes. This Scripture has not been taught in churches I have been in.
Rather, performance-based teaching with no thought of Spirit-led conversation in some cases
Thanks for your insight ☝🏼
This video was life changing. This was truly a REMINDER. It’s one thing to plant seeds vs engaging with ppl who truly don’t even want to change. This is why I never will debate. Btw Proverbs literally changed my life. Great video Shalom.
well said, i know nate comes from a debate background.. if he sees this, what are the percentages of people who flipped after the debate? i bet it's close to 0.. or like 0.1 % some crazy #.. sure God works on people, and maybe in years to come that would show through, but if people were genuine, before the darn thing is over they should kneel to Christ with how convicted some of these Christian debaters are! That said, I have seen some in other faiths that are quite convincing as well in their convictions so point is its just to argue more than anything it appears
You can't say it's life changing after just watching it. Come back in a year and say it was life changing.
@@johnlombardo7816 Both sides of the debate may not change, but how many in the audience do? Debate is still a useful tool in the right context.
@@watrbottl6138 you def have a point, i guess that is the idea(at least I assume, before nate, never really watched or knew much about debates tbh) But that does make sense certainly, like the man on the street that cliffe knectle does at schools.. its the 1 that you may be able to help open their eyes you are looking for.. As in the Bible its the 1 He wants, and will leave the 99 to get em.. 🙏🙏❤❤
does this apply to relatives? just yesterday my aunt called me a nun in a joking way (cant tell if shes mocking) and asked me how many sins did i commit for me to go to church yesterday and she was laughing...it hurt when she said that coz shes very close to me i just stayed silent and pray for it...i always wonder if i should respond or not but in the end i dont, thanks to the Holy Spirit❤
Nate. I DO hear you! Thank you for this video. I am one that would debate back and forth (in a civil fashion) with scoffers and always walk away wondering where I had failed. I would get on myself because if I just knew The Scriptures better, I could have helped the person. I will still try the initial talk but if I determine that I am dealing with a determined scoffer, I will now walk away. Know that this video lifted a dark cloud from overhead for me and I will be sharing it with some that I know that truly seek knowledge. May your weekend be truly blessed!
"The Righteous Mind" changed a lot of how I viewed differences in politics and religion. Haidt's moral foundations theory along with the elephant and rider illustration are so useful. We are not rational, we rationalize.
The "addicted to outrage" model of social media is why I've almost completely stopped watching and engaging with political RUclips. Even among those that claim to be Christian the level of engagement is usually more like an assassin than a disciple. I think this kind of base and low frequency outrage engagement is what breeds lukewarm faith. We become acclimated to the world, why would anyone see Christians as different, holy, set apart if we continually act just like everyone else. I'll admit I've let emotions get the better of me and jumped to speak when I shouldn't have. But I have gotten better at not getting in arguments for no reason. When you live in a big city where almost no one shares your worldview it's very freeing to let it go.
Well said. I’ve been guilty of getting sucked in as well. God bless you for the message. Iron sharpens iron. 👍
Me too. I want to be different. I was never taught this.
One of my favorite apologists uses a question to determine if someone is willing to have a genuine discussion. He asks the if they found Christianity to be true, would they become a Christian. If they say no, these people aren’t willing to have a logical conversation. I’ve learned some people are better off being prayed for rather than debate with.
Incredible!! What was his name?
@@Listen2Lyrics1 Frank Turek. He has a great book call "I don't have enough faith to be an atheist." It's a long read but well worth it.
@@ENOCK360 greatly appreciate you!
Thank you! I needed this! This is a prayer, answered. Praise be to God!
@@katherinemitchell9218 Amen Sister. 🙏🏽 Your faith is beautiful!
I'm reminded of Dr. David Wood's testimony - how, when he was an atheist in jail, one of the weirdest things he saw was a man (whom he found out was a Christian) who would turn away and start praying when a fight broke out.
To paraphrase David's words, 'That's the only entertainment we got in there!' - so the question occurred to him, "What's with this guy?"
Not acting like the world can have a powerful affect on people who haven't seen someone actually living like a Christian.
There is a time to give an answer. But not everyone is listening, and not everyone wants an answer: a lot of the time, they're looking for a 'hook' - something to twist to use against you - rather than something to learn from. They won't learn from you, and that's not the goal in the questions they ask.
Silence is often (though definitely not always) the best answer: don't discount it. The 'last word' isn't as valuable as you may be drawn to think it is.
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Thanks for this vid.
His testimony is so powerful
Every second of this teaching of yours, Pastor Nate, was a gem. It did not even feel like it is almost 30 mins! Thank you for this. I have been a Christian for more than a decade now and I havenʼt really seen it that way.
I grew up with this certain disposition of being belligerent about truths I hold dear about Christianity and it felt like I was doing the Kingdom of God a favor by always trying to effect an apologetic 'death blow' to refutations against the Christian faith when I argue my point towards unbelievers. But now that I was able to learn this, it took away an unnecessary burden that I often have regarding conflicts about communicating my beliefs as a Christian.
I will be rewatching this again and will definitely be sharing this to my brothers in the faith.
God bless you, Pastor Nate!
Thanks Nate. For this message. Your videos are helping me with my conversations with unbelievers. I’ve found since then began sharing boldly over the last year my ability to make people think more deeply has gotten better in a lot of ways from some of what you talked about today. I try to be as gentle and respectful while still telling the truth. And after a while if the person still is resistant I’ll ask them if I were able to prove to them that the God of the Bible exists would they follow Him? The answer is usually no. But if it’s yes It gives me a better idea of how far I can prod and then maybe follow up another time. It’s been such a wonderful learning experience
Wow!!! God is really trying to reach my heart right now! I am getting so many messages to be less quarrelsome and angry. God help me
Amen. I gotta say, I love this type of personal message, even more than your reaction type videos (which are amazing as well). It's such a joy to hear the times when you address issues that the Sunday sermon almost never touches. Loving our enemies means we dont have to have theological debates with them. Some of us (myself included) love theological debates, but isnt it interesting how Christ spoke in parables to the masses, but only explained them to those who followed him?
God bless you brother Nate.
Interesting thought about parables and explanations!
Such a good point Amen
Thanks Nate … very informative, useful and revealing podcast today!
I’m definitely guilty of trying to endlessly spread the Gospel with scoffers … mostly with my family and friends. They claim to be believers but I’m not convinced they are even saved. When someone professes to be a believer but refuse to discuss God and Jesus Christ or even the Bible, I’m highly suspect!
And you’re so right about RUclips … I don’t know how many times I’ve engaged in the comments with scoffers over discussions to do with God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. You’re correct … they don’t seek wisdom and knowledge, they seek arguing a point and have hardened hearts just as you say!
And I’ve been willing to go down that same path of arguing my point! And for what? Never looked at it as throwing my pearls to swine but it makes perfect sense now! Thank you for showing me the light and I know now I must repent!
Appreciate the insight and wisdom that you’ve imparted!
God bless! 🙏🙌❤️🇨🇦
Nate, that little bit of gray in your beard is wisdom shining through brother. One of the many pitfalls of being called into the world for battle is the tendency to identify in what we stand against rather what we stand for. Ive noticed in myself when im frustrated with unbelievers I can begin to look like them. The critical heart is always there waiting on your consent. Thanks be to our brothers and sisters who encourage and remind us our identity is in Christ
As you went further, this take got better. it isn't just a Christianity thing either...politics and every hot topic fits into this principle. if the other person isn't interested in an actual conversation, then you are wasting your time..
Jesus in his trial was silent to the aggressively arrogant Pharisees and Sadducees, though when he was at Pilate's he witnessed to Him. When under attack from these don't engage, unless they truly shows a want for the Truth. Anger can open the door to sin, and once you sin in front of those people, they will not soon forget it
I praise Jesus that this video came, right on time. I have no words, God answered my prayer. My pride would lead me to do this very thing (consistently arguing and finding people to debate to prove the Gospel is truth) and it would create so much anxiety and I had no idea why.
As someone who is veryt quick to defend the gospel, I really needed to hear this. Not everyone deserves my response. Thanks Nate!
God Bless you. We need more Christians to gather to learn how to deal with today's society. It is tough. I want to show God's love. My Simon Peter side comes out every time. 🙏🏻⚔️🇺🇸
"My Simon Peter side" - that is the perfect way to word it. 😏 Mine does, too. ☹️
I’m sad to say that I have a Simon Peter side also. Now I have a better way of describing it. Thank you!!
More aptly described as our Simon side? Peter when as called was “the rock”; when is called Simon, that is his prideful/fearful side.
@@BP-ry6mw In John’s gospel, it was Simon Peter who cut off the ear of the high priest’s slave. And Simon Peter who denied Jesus 3 times.
The highly complex programmed information in all life prove an Intelligent Creator.
2000 fulfilled prophecies prove the Bible.
"THE MEANING OF LIFE/EVIDENCES FOR GOD
ruclips.net/video/j-Dc1A_xMq4/видео.htmlsi=URqNqOl2jqnTmMxR
Now who is there to harm you if you are zealous for what is good? But even if you should suffer for righteousness’ sake, you will be blessed. Have no fear of them, nor be troubled, but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect, having a good conscience, so that, when you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame. For it is better to suffer for doing good, if that should be God’s will, than for doing evil.
1 Peter 3:13-17
Amen! Similar Scripture to 2 Timothy 2:23-26. ❤️🙌🏾🙏🏾
@@sinqobilengubo2667 yes! love that one too! Very helpful!
This just convicted me in just the right way. Thanks Nate!
Thank you Nate.
I don't know if my family will ever have ears to hear.
They are Mormons.
The grandkids , A couple are atheist ,
gay, trans,
one is new age.
No one wants to hear ANYTHING about Jesus or the gospel, 😢
or how l got saved.
They don't engage.
I read Ezekial 33? about a watchman failing to warn the people being responsible for them. I do hear what you are saying , but it's hard for me to separate the two.
They do respond better to the soft approach...which is moving at a snails pace. We also pray.
(I was concidering leaving my testimony as my last words with love for them in a letter for whatever it may be worth?)
On line, yes Athiests are big bullies. Most all non Christians are bullies. It's getting pretty worse, pretty rough out there. I have been limiting my comments to those who are open , and dropping Bible verses only.
Thanks for the excellent video. Love your channel.
I'm right there with you, friend. My family are oneness pentecostals. I am met with yelling and name calling when I share bible verses. It's so emotionally draining spending any time with them. At get togethers, I find myself sitting quietly in despair because they are all unsaved. At the end of the day, it is up to them to believe it. We are not responsible, because we've shared the gospels and live our lives in obedience with God. There is still hope! As long as they have air in their lungs, there is still time. I pray for your unsaved family 🙏
@@beequeen626 Thankyou Bailey for the encouragement. Blessings to you and your family. May the Lord in His great mercy open their hearts and eyes, in Jesus name and according to His will. May you be comforted in His wings. ✝️🕊❤️🔥
You are spot on. I don’t know any scoffers at church. However, my work is a cesspool of scoffers . I am a police officer. Yes, correcting scoffers is exhausting and extremely pointless. Correcting scoffers is the definition of insanity. I stopped correcting years ago.
Furthermore, I am guilty of correcting or arguing with scoffers on RUclips. I will stop. Thanks for pointing this out.
Thank you so much for your videos. I would like to join your bible study on Matthew.
Cheers brother.
Fantastic. This is a welcome rebuke. The Herod example is truly powerful. Being ready to give a reason for the faith that lies within you is meant for those seeking wisdom.
Lindsey Medenwaldt of Mama Bear Apologetics and other organizations has a book coming out in May that speaks to this. "Bridge Building Apologetics."
I’m grateful God has softened my heart to hear correction and not get defensive and angry, and led me to finding your channel. It’s important that we aren’t just joining “jesus club” and using the rhetoric and talking points but still behaving like the world. We must truly be the salt this world needs.
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms
I think I really needed to hear this today Nate. Thank you for being such a great teacher brother. 🙏
What an important and valuable message! I have learned the hard way that it is fruitless to engage with hard hearted scoffers. Civil discourse can be very productive. Iron sharpens iron. Engaging with those who have made up their minds and refuse to listen is a waste of time and breath.
Nate---GREAT VIDEO. This was one of the best I've listened to from you if for nothing more than the simple fact that you were so real and brutally honest about the subject matter. It's such a critical topic and, like you said, not many people are talking about this. Not many people take to heart what you talked about here, and it's such a transformative message! It's nothing to take lightly, how we engage with people, how we discern the wise people from the scoffers, and how to decide not to involve ourselves more than we need to. We waste our time and efforts needlessly when we don't pay attention to the biblical points you highlighted here. Thank you SO much for using your passion for Christ to make content like this and inspire people like me towards an even stronger relationship with Jesus. I appreciate you, brother!
Amen! Not everybody wants wisdom anyway. They just want to be right, not wise.
Wow this hit the mark with me! God, give me more discernment, listen more, pray.
The highly complex programmed information in all life prove an Intelligent Creator.
2000 fulfilled prophecies prove the Bible.
"THE MEANING OF LIFE/EVIDENCES FOR GOD
ruclips.net/video/j-Dc1A_xMq4/видео.htmlsi=URqNqOl2jqnTmMxR
I was tempted to hide my response. I am a little "called" Elder at my church. I have been told not to be so "hard" with my view of doctrine, as to not take away from someone's religious experience. Sola Fide. Sola Gratia, Sola Scriptura. Here I stand. I can do no other.
Bible also says not to contend with a fool.
You are so right
I needed this. I was on reddit and eventually got to a post about someome who was in the process possibly of killing themselves. I was searching the posts they made in to see if maybe forums they posted on hears from them or anything. One that he frequented when I inquired about him basically didnt want to speak about it since it wasnt relevant to the thread. People asked what i was talking about, it made me so upset that this person posted their last post about killing themself, had a picture in the tub filled with water and probably blood from slitting their wrist and they just worried about posting meme manga content. I ended up finding out they supposedly did end their life which saddened me. But to really just not care about the person just like that really screwed my mind up today. On the original forum of the deceases person someone tried to reach out to them and tell them they have worth with Christ and a person, seemed to be possessed by hatred went crazy. They were so mad about them preaching to them about their life having meaning. Then i responded to them too about it. I shouldnt have said satan works through them 😕 but it was so blatant that the enemy worked through them to the point saving the person didnt matter mentioning Jesus did. All of it really reminded how evil humans really are and need Christ. I have to leave it an pray for them. The scripture don't cast pearl among swine, the Lord revealed to me during my small mental break after this to not keep going. I have to let Him do His work and not get in the way
Recently discovered your channel just a few days ago. Initially I was hesitant to subscribe or like anything because I was afraid that I would be getting myself into a rabbit hole of ‘foolish controversies and quarrels’ that Paul says to avoid to 1 Timothy and Titus.
I do appreciate that your videos seem to be more focused on teaching and how you talk towards the viewer instead of the video creators you criticize. There’s been quite a few things you’ve pointed out and said that has really made me learn and rethink things. Also appreciate that you approach common every day arguements against christianity without hesitation or disregard, for it gives me courage and a better idea on how to combat these things in love and good conscience. For I do often find myself in non-religious circles of people with these lines of thinking (I was also atheist before being saved, so I understand and relate to a lot of what they say, whilst knowing it’s not the truth)
And after watching this, it really affirms to me that you’re not looking to pick fights out of pride like so many do. Thanks. Am honestly surprised I was able to find a channel like yours on youtube. I didn’t really think it was possible to be honest.
Hope to take what you teach to heart and grow a further love for God and in what He says.
Great example of implementing wisdom. I love how you make the heart of a person who desires wisdom clear. To speak with clarity to those who are called and chosen. Listen before speaking. If you should speak at all. So be it. Let's seek peace, and not clash. Great quick message. Thanks.
I use to be like this. I’d throw info after info and get so frustrated when others wouldn’t listen. I finally stopped and only continued speaking to those who seemed willing to listen. Otherwise I’d end the conversation and wish people the best if they came back with vitriol or were unwilling to listen. It brought more peace to my life and while not everyone comes to Christ the ones I do see willing to open up mean so much more.
I fell in that trap in the beginning. Thought I could convince them. Then realised they're not interested in the answers AT ALL.
One of the hardest lessons I’ve had to learn from God is when and how to keep my mouth shut.
Great advice as usual. Thank you. I've been finding it easier to identify the scoffers over the past few months. At heart, I've found it to be an issue of pride, thinking I always had to respond. I'm becoming more prayerful and slower to react.
Thanks Nate I have many, many unloyal and dishonest friends at my church and this was helpful truth!
This helped me a lot. I've been the one answering those scoffers thinking I was doing God's work, when in reality, it's not doing any good. Thank you for this and showing me biblical discernment
Wow, I never understood Prov. 9. This was amazing! Thank you for this explanation. ❤❤❤
Thw point is to go out into the world and preach the Gospel of Christ, baptising them in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit without getting into arguments and dealing with people who only wish to fight in any means, but usually verbally.
Titus 2:6-8 (ESV): Likewise, urge the younger men to be self-controlled. 7 Show yourself in all respects to be a model of good works, and in your teaching show integrity, dignity, 8 and sound speech that cannot be condemned, so that an opponent may be put to shame, having nothing evil to say about us.
What about--"Do not answer a fool according to his folly,
Or you will also be like him.
Answer a fool as his folly deserves,
That he not be wise in his own eyes. Proverbs 26:4-5
James 1:19-25 (ESV): 19 Know this, my beloved brothers: let every person be quick to hear, slow to speak, slow to anger; 20 for the anger of man does not produce the righteousness of God. 21 Therefore put away all filthiness and rampant wickedness and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls.
22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. 23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks intently at his natural face in a mirror. 24 For he looks at himself and goes away and at once forgets what he was like. 25 But the one who looks into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and perseveres, being no hearer who forgets but a doer who acts, he will be blessed in his doing.
"Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels. And the Lord's servant[e] must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, 26 and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will." 2 Tim 2: 23-26
Those who live by the sword shall die by the sword. This is what keeps me from "fighting" physically. We are to fight spirtually, as our enemy isn't flesh and blood, but principalities, powers and darkness of the air, etc.
I certainly feel the emotion, but that doesn't change what Jesus said we should be- the meek shall inherit the earth.
On a more serious note Nate, thanks for this reminder. I've wasted a lot of mental fortitude arguing with every scoffer that came my way. Sure it helped me with my debate skills but the Gospel isn't supposed to be a debate stage. God Bless
I agree with you but have a question. How are we supposed to interact with scoffers who fill up places like social media and are leading people astray? I have been seeing numerous Muslims doing this trying to confuse the gospel. These are scoffers, but how do we help their victims?
I sort of agree that we shouldn’t go out and seek quarrels with those who blatantly reject God. At the same time, however, Christians have ceded ground to secular progressivism for far too long. We need to humbly stand for truth, calling out the folly of trying to live autonomously without God. It’s no surprise that the world will come for Christians more and more, so be discerning and boldly stand for truth and humbly submit to the suffering as a consequence.
This is something that God has had to bring to my attention a few months ago. I would be on social media and comment on something. Obviously, the mockers would come and comment against my Christian statements. I could not control myself, I had to answer them. But, through much prayer and repentance, I do not answer. I used to wonder why people did not want the information I offered. I thought I was being helpful. But people were only looking to disagree and argue. Often, they became offended. God has helped me to just be silent.
We need to "fight" as Christians! We don't just give up our beliefs in order to "fight back"-We love. We respect. We teach. We offer help and alms and aid. We live as shining lights. We hold to the TRUTH and the Word of God, no matter what. THAT is how Christians "fight".
Unfortunately, because of the culture, modern teaching, our own fallen natures etc we read an article like this and we drop our core beliefs and become like world....we get angry and hateful and violent....and that is absolutely wrong and sinful!
So the article is kind of right in that we must fight and contend for the faith....but we do it _as Christians_
“Why do scoffers scoff?”
“Because they are emotionally invested in their own sin.”
That’s actually not a bad answer. I can think of at least a handful of scoffers in my life recently, and they are proud of their sin one way or the other. In their minds, sexual immorality becomes sexual superiority, harshness becomes courage, selfishness becomes murder through abortion, envy becomes helping the poor, etc.
Reason can and will always be used to justify the emotions you are most invested in.
(Maybe this is why the Universities make students invest so much time and money in the kinds of things they intend to the students to spread into general society…)
I admit and repent of this. I have gone crazy rebutting to some utube videos. To the point of getting ugly because they are just so evil and ridiculous. I needed to hear this and when I found this today…I have been serial watching.
I think you need to make that a shirt.."GOSPEL GLASSES ON" God bless
Brother i would agree , and the aspect of that I think of Francis schaeffer's two-story house dichotomy in the factor that you know they don't well sorry yes as the two-story dichotomy and then I also think of Oz guinnesses explanation of the anatomy of unbelief to where people's suppress the truth grasp it roughly and twist it to their own end and a lot of people's not open they don't care because they've never really examined their life as Aristotle put it and it's it's I find it funny to the aspect of not really they're as you said they want to follow as you said they wanna be scoffers and God will harden their hearts because of that and it is a sad thing a very sad thing and it makes you wanna weep you're right not everybody deserves an answer and we should use wisdom wisdom and discernment to really check that I really like Greg coco's Columbo tactics asking questions so that way that you can really kind of feel for what's going on and everything but that's my two cents my thoughts.
This is why I don't get into "debates" or arguments. I look for the opportunity to share maybe even one sentence or one action by the leading of the Holy Spirit.
I may never know what the effect of any interaction with me had on any person but it's not for me or my pride to necessarily know that. It's up to God to change someone in His time.
I am 100% like that...This video is incredibly eye opening
Although i agree with you and what the Bible says. There are so many weak believers who are not so routed in the faith who are easily influenced by these scoffers. This is why many fervent believers engage in arguments with them to convince these weak believers not to be influenced by these scoffers into leaving the faith.
Lately, when someone challenges me, I've asked "Do you really want to know or are you just trying to heckle?" That surprises them and they get honest.
If only there were more people like you. I would not have had the local preacher, trespassed off of my property. I told him multiple times to stop bothering me, did he listen? Not until I involved the police did he get the message. Now if he sets one toe on my property he can be arrested.
@@darlahays2471 There are certainly some who are too stubborn (and way too religious) to get the hint.
Let’s talk
Good work.
God bless,
Dr. Young DD.
The moment I saw this video, I didn't wanna watch it because I knew it would call me out. But I'm glad I did.
Brother Nate! Great truth and teaching regarding how to deal with scoffers. Praise the Lord!
Great video. How can we reconcile this wisdom with Peter 3:15?
Wow thank you for that word is WISDOM.
🙏🏽🙏🏽
This was fantastically relevant for our current confrontational culture
Many times, it is better to keep our mouths shut and be an example of how to be a Christian.
How do you reconcile this message with 1Peter 3:15-16 which tells us to 'ALWAYS be prepared to give an answer to EVERYONE who asks...' and 'but do this with gentleness and respect' if we are not to engage scoffers? God bless you brother!
I like this question and hope you don’t mind if I throw my hat into the ring here!
1 Peter 3:15-16 in the ESV says to always be prepared to make a DEFENSE to anyone who asks!
Proverbs 9:7-9 says to not correct or reprove a scoffer, or you’ll get yourself abuse and hate
I think God seems to instruct us to be ready to be prepared to defend our faith (defensive posture), but not try to rebuke a scoffer (offensive posture)…which coincides well with what Paul says in Romans 12:14-21 to (as much as we can) live peacefully with all people…and while this doesn’t mean NEVER engage in offensive apologetics, I think the proverb warns us to know when to walk away
Of course I’m just some guy you don’t know on the internet, so feel free to disregard lol, but as a brother I still hope this helps!
I ask myself this question every day. "Maybe I'm the problem". This was an incredible video I learned so much. Should I present my pearls just to have them trampled on. We should save our wisdom to those who would not scoff at us
Thank you, I just finished going through Proverbs and hate to admit I read that but didn't put two and two together, you know? I think I need to go back through it but at a slower pace and contemplate longer than I have been. Thank you so much! This was❤ no accident getting the notification for your video. Praise the Lord! And the Holy Spirit for stopping me in my tracks before going into the next book.
I was trying to come up with some eloquent remark, but the best I can do is "great stuff!". Its worth ruminating on for a good while. Thanks .
Okay this was pretty good. I guess you earned my sub 😊
This is golden Nate!!! When I watch this I see why God called you to preach and teach to a wider audience using this medium and I really appreciate all the wisdom you share. I’ve been thinking about this exact topic lately and you addressed it perfectly with scripture.
17:36 That is exactly how I approach "discipleship". The moment it becomes apparent that the person doesn't want the Truth, they want to argue a point, the conversation is over and my final word is to quote Jesus with, "if you were blind you would not be guilty, but because you say you see, behold... your sin is upon you..."
And I'm gone...
Finally someone said the same thing that came to me also. Wisdom is a person, not a trait to own. Wisdom is given by God. God gives his Wisdom to those who Fear him. Fear God
Funny, the rider/elephant theory, insofar as it applies, would apply to all people, christians included.
Of course it would! Which is quite interesting. Nobody got to where they got to out of intellect alone. I have faith that God making us this way is how it has to be, in some kind of perfect way.
Thank you Nate, I so needed this. 🙏 I've been struggling with my temperament, not necessarily lashing out on anyone, but I do feel an irritation bubbling up when I see the discourse online. Don't cast the pearl before the swine. I'll focus on my own journey and walk in Christ, and discern between people who are truly open to hearing the Word, and those who'll scoff and mock. God bless. 🙏🕊 ✝️
Does that include Christians who won't listen?
I was listening to this while waiting for someone to stop by my house for Facebook market place pick up. I started the a conversation about Jesus asking her questions. She left with her purchase and a new Bible and tracts. ✝️👏✝️👏
This was an excellent teaching!!! It helped me TODAY!
Thank you. I'm already sharing your post.✝️📖🙏🤍
The minute you started preaching to me, I would have left minus whatever you were selling.
TY Nate! I am always blessed by your teaching 🙏 I just don't engage anymore. I've had paragraphs written as a reply to a comment I've made on a video. Ridiculous and fruitless. Praise GOD for WISDOM!
"just let them say/do what they want and ignore it, be the bigger man."
that's exactly what dad told me when I was in school and he was right.
It feels awful in a way, people doing things you know its only going to hurt them...
But there's nothing you can do if they arent willing to change. Just let them do whatever it is, and ignore it.
Its harsh but that's reality.
Nate thank you for being a great shepherd
Very well thought out and well said!
What a beautiful and wise message! Thank you 🙏
Very good message. So much truth in this. Thank you for this one!!!
17:21 I’m one of the people that needed to hear that lol
The Hobbit > The Lord of the Rings.
Im not gonna lie this video really spoke to me Mr. Sala. Especially when you said we only find reasoning to what we feel. HUGE wisdom right their. Im just a high school student/line cook for chilies and the people Im around on a daily basis could really use Jesus to get out of their sin and depression n when I try to open up to them they wanna argue about it. “Why do you believe in such an old book” “yeah whatever I believe in science” N I felt like I always had this pressure to keep opening up to people who wanna fight me on it. Thinking I need to build an argument n drop “truth bombs”. Instead now I realize I’ll just appreciate who they are. Love them the same as anybody. N try to be an example for them. I’ll try to speak Jesus to anyone I can but this made so much more sense. Someone who isn’t delighted in their scoffness and seeks truth and genuine answers to their questions. Thank you for bringing up this point!
This was definitely the direction I was discerning, particularly when it came to engaging scoffers on social media. "Pearls before swine" was exactly the message I was being reminded of. I truly appreciate the biblical deep-dive & confirmation.