Neil..I remember a few years ago you were slightly embarrassed to appear on EMBN with Steve. Then the Levo SL got your attention and finally now the sheer Fun Fun Fun of a Full Fat Emtb has got you totally hooked. The magic of Emtbs is that they turn us into gleeful kids again and broaden our ability to explore terrain multiplying the joy of one of mans greatest gravity cheating inventions the bicycle. They are a Time Machine. DOWNHILL BOTH WAYS E=Mtb²
Going from a Turbo Levo Gen 2 to an Orbea Rise M10, I can say the 5 kilos in weight difference is noticeable. Also, we ride a lot of XC/Enduro single track, and the weight and over-powered nature of the Levo makes all that power unusable. So, if you're a single tack trail rider, I'd go lighter and less power. Easier to handle and you use more of the power more efficiently.
Get that KSL a Fox 40 with a 190 air shaft and over stroke the rear to 180. That's the best park ebike going. Also mullet it with a cascade eyelet for DHX2. Had mine at fort bill and it was insane
@@jordanmackay3568 who makes the mullet link? I have this bike and ordered the 40 do build what you are describing… ran a 27.5 wheel out back in the high setting and was good for the bike park but felt wonky pedalling … might go back to 29, as I’m 6’3”
@@ChupacabraOffroad cascade DHX2 eyelet it's called. 75 buck, can only be used on a fox coil. I'm also 6ft 2 and have an S5. We can't run this bike in short as the CS is far too short for our reach but this link keeps geo fairly similar so can be run in long. I've not seen any down sides really. 160/165 cranks might help though. I'd also get a 190 front air shaft to keep geo the same. I run the headset in steep at my local trails with the 40s then slack for park days. I posted my build on emtb forum on fb try find it it's unreal haha
At 63kg l am nearly back to my birth weight and I much prefer a heavier bike to push me through downhill rock gardens. I have a Trek Fuel EXe 9.7 nice to ride by myself but it has half the range and knocks me around on long 30min rock garden decents compared to my heavier full power Levo.(DOWNHILL BOTH WAYS) E=Mtb²
Why not properly mullet the KSL? I've used the Levo SL-2 flip chips to get all of the BB height back and it also shortens the chainstay a bit for more agility. I'm 5'9", S3 170 dropper and the bike feels 100% now. Overall, it's my favourite bike to ride. I have various full fats too, so I can directly compare.
Both are great but i do prefer the more stable and planted feeling you get from the extra mass of a full power bike... plus the extra power when you point it uphill. Fit riders will enjoy both fairly equally, but less fit riders will enjoy the extra support of a full power, especially during a group ride. The low and mid power motors generally require a higher pedalling cadence to get the most power out of them.
Neil I was under the impression you couldn't put a dual crown fork on the Canyon Torque, you had mentioned it in the intro video when you got the bike. Does the Boxxer actually work OK with the steer tube? I'm really looking at this bike and would love to put a dual crown on. Thanks!
Here is the video when he made the modifications 👉 ruclips.net/video/wySZWjSG3b4/видео.html Neil says you would need to check with the brand yourself and that often modifications like this void warranty.
Definitely a full fat for zipping up a long steep hill at a bike park. I’d rather take a normal bike and use the uplift than spending half the day pedalling a lightweight ebike.
👍Light weight more fun, havier bike, stable as a train and safer on rocky journeys straight down😂. I prefer, low power, light weight that gives me more fun, more exercise and very long ride. I have 2 pc 35Nm Specialized, 1 pc 60Nm Orbea Rise and one 85Nm Yamaha that I gona rebuilt and sell, to use the money to maby try a Mondraker framekit as a winter poject😋
I own a kenevo and a kenevo sl. Both excellent bikes with different purposes. At dyfi I'll take the sl. When i go to revs I'll be taking the full power kenevo with 2x 700 batteries. Im certainly not slogging uphill on the sl with it's limited power and fixed battery.
Specialized advertised the SL Turbo Levo as the unicorn. I paid $22,000 for mine, and trying now to sell it asking $11,000. Reason being, it is NOT good at anything. Tiny motor battery combo means I can't keep up w any other emtb, ok, but what about the downhill you ask. Well, at 42 lbs, it is still a heavy bike, so no, this is not recommended, and again, I own one, and trying to sell it. PS components are great, and I do like the e-shifters.
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Neil..I remember a few years ago you were slightly embarrassed to appear on EMBN with Steve. Then the Levo SL got your attention and finally now the sheer Fun Fun Fun of a Full Fat Emtb has got you totally hooked. The magic of Emtbs is that they turn us into gleeful kids again and broaden our ability to explore terrain multiplying the joy of one of mans greatest gravity cheating inventions the bicycle. They are a Time Machine.
DOWNHILL BOTH WAYS E=Mtb²
Nah that was just being around Steve 😄Love it
@@neildonoghueMTB E=Mtb²
Mad respect for the camera operator at 09:27.... how did you manage to track Joel?! 🤯
My cup of tea is Neil's Canyon, having myself an even bulkier Haibike Nduro Xduro 10, 2021.
Neil's Canyon Bike is overwhelmingly beautiful.
Great collab 🔥 💪
Going from a Turbo Levo Gen 2 to an Orbea Rise M10, I can say the 5 kilos in weight difference is noticeable. Also, we ride a lot of XC/Enduro single track, and the weight and over-powered nature of the Levo makes all that power unusable. So, if you're a single tack trail rider, I'd go lighter and less power. Easier to handle and you use more of the power more efficiently.
The one you can afford I would say 😉
Get that KSL a Fox 40 with a 190 air shaft and over stroke the rear to 180. That's the best park ebike going. Also mullet it with a cascade eyelet for DHX2. Had mine at fort bill and it was insane
@@jordanmackay3568 who makes the mullet link? I have this bike and ordered the 40 do build what you are describing… ran a 27.5 wheel out back in the high setting and was good for the bike park but felt wonky pedalling … might go back to 29, as I’m 6’3”
@@ChupacabraOffroad cascade DHX2 eyelet it's called. 75 buck, can only be used on a fox coil. I'm also 6ft 2 and have an S5. We can't run this bike in short as the CS is far too short for our reach but this link keeps geo fairly similar so can be run in long. I've not seen any down sides really. 160/165 cranks might help though. I'd also get a 190 front air shaft to keep geo the same. I run the headset in steep at my local trails with the 40s then slack for park days. I posted my build on emtb forum on fb try find it it's unreal haha
@@jordanmackay3568 appreciate it! I live in AZ and would rather run short/ high in the rear for local rides as it’s so chunky and slow… 🤘🏼🤘🏼
At 63kg l am nearly back to my birth weight and I much prefer a heavier bike to push me through downhill rock gardens. I have a Trek Fuel EXe 9.7 nice to ride by myself but it has half the range and knocks me around on long 30min rock garden decents compared to my heavier full power Levo.(DOWNHILL BOTH WAYS) E=Mtb²
Why not properly mullet the KSL? I've used the Levo SL-2 flip chips to get all of the BB height back and it also shortens the chainstay a bit for more agility.
I'm 5'9", S3 170 dropper and the bike feels 100% now.
Overall, it's my favourite bike to ride. I have various full fats too, so I can directly compare.
Two excellennt riders, love the honest comparisons. Of course light weight bikes look better but… Anyway, Great video! 👍
What would you choose?
Full power, smaller removable battery with extender possibility. 😎
Crank arm lengths ?! What 15/20 difference? Whats your thoughts on that?
CANYON CF every time
( I own an Nduro 8 free ride)
BIG DH bike every time
Why haven't they got a few decent up tracks that can be as much fun as the downhill. E=Mtb²
Both are great but i do prefer the more stable and planted feeling you get from the extra mass of a full power bike... plus the extra power when you point it uphill. Fit riders will enjoy both fairly equally, but less fit riders will enjoy the extra support of a full power, especially during a group ride. The low and mid power motors generally require a higher pedalling cadence to get the most power out of them.
I like more the Light versions. I live at second floor, no lift, no garage.
That fire climb comparison really doing the kenevo sl no favors.
I think it depends on how and where and how far you like riding as mid assist has more power for me full covers all rides...😊
The Kenevo SL is the best looking e-bike period. The Roczen doesn't look bad but black would hide that big frame better
Neil I was under the impression you couldn't put a dual crown fork on the Canyon Torque, you had mentioned it in the intro video when you got the bike. Does the Boxxer actually work OK with the steer tube? I'm really looking at this bike and would love to put a dual crown on. Thanks!
Here is the video when he made the modifications 👉 ruclips.net/video/wySZWjSG3b4/видео.html Neil says you would need to check with the brand yourself and that often modifications like this void warranty.
@@embn great thanks a lot!!
Definitely a full fat for zipping up a long steep hill at a bike park. I’d rather take a normal bike and use the uplift than spending half the day pedalling a lightweight ebike.
👍Light weight more fun, havier bike, stable as a train and safer on rocky journeys straight down😂.
I prefer, low power, light weight that gives me more fun, more exercise and very long ride.
I have 2 pc 35Nm Specialized, 1 pc 60Nm Orbea Rise and one 85Nm Yamaha that I gona rebuilt and sell, to use the money to maby try a Mondraker framekit as a winter poject😋
Full power every time. Gotta get back up the top to make the most out of your day
POWER !!!
5:16
I own a kenevo and a kenevo sl. Both excellent bikes with different purposes.
At dyfi I'll take the sl.
When i go to revs I'll be taking the full power kenevo with 2x 700 batteries.
Im certainly not slogging uphill on the sl with it's limited power and fixed battery.
I quite like the Spec. I've got a turbo levo which I upgraded to 170 up front. I don't mind the xtra weight, and like the full fat power.
That Spesh is a beaut and an immense bike to ride. Full fat though for that climb - to get in as many runs as possible.
Agreed, and you can get the ksl2 expert for under 5k just now at leisure lakes. Extremely tempting.
I like the grey bike, I’m lucky enough to live near some great trails, but that canyon would make it amazing.
Full Fat is Phat !!! Coming from a 250cc enduro these would be featherweights.
Specialized advertised the SL Turbo Levo as the unicorn. I paid $22,000 for mine, and trying now to sell it asking $11,000. Reason being, it is NOT good at anything. Tiny motor battery combo means I can't keep up w any other emtb, ok, but what about the downhill you ask. Well, at 42 lbs, it is still a heavy bike, so no, this is not recommended, and again, I own one, and trying to sell it. PS components are great, and I do like the e-shifters.
The SL's devalue like mad too, seen them going for half the price second hand here in the UK
Comparison to a Surron is overdue. After riding a 2024 Light bee I rate my Kenevo 2022 as a better ride
Both of those bikes look amazing. The canyon ticks more boxes and those days are easy work for it especially with those gorgeous boxxers.
What's the point of including a bike that's been heavily specced with a new fork
Not sure what this video was supposed to be about , just 2 guys messing about
a great excuse to go shred jumps with Joel! 🤣
Bro feed off of their energy mtb is all about having fun.
agreed the video seemed to have no direction but i enjoyed it!
@@JohnWilson-jh5iz bro missed the video title
That Canyon looks Horrid......!!
Of you have an uplift why would you not take the money to battery out haha
My Academy bike with a BBSHD attached will smoke these things on a climb at a fraction of the price.
And down an enduro track?
Kenevo SL for me. Thats why I got mine 🦘💨