Bought an ex hire 1y/o Whyte 150 with under 700 miles on it, I sent the motor to Pete Collard and co for service and have now a great second hand ebike. Great company.
Neil always does brilliant, no nonsense vids with useful, thoughtful content. Fingers crossed my motor stays healthy but it’s not as scary as I’d feared for a repair.
EMBN always seem to go to this repair service who don't repair Shimano but ignore e-motorrepairs up in Barrow On Furness who are apparently the UK's biggest ebike motor repair company and DO repair Shimano motors & have pics of loads of EP8s etc being repaired on their insta page. It would also be worthwhile if you had gone through the secondhand position of each motor manufacturer one by one as their warranty positions vary. Due to due diligence by users on the EMTB forums and despite Madison, the Shimano importer saying otherwise, Shimano warranty IS covered for second hand motors as long as you have the original receipt and it's within warranty period (2 years). Specialized also allow transfer of warranty (also 2 years except for that dodgy batch of Brose motors (mark 2?) which I think is 4 or 5) but I don't know about Yamaha, Bosch, Brose etc This is the kind of info I hoped you'd look into as this is about buying a second hand emtb and is very important info. At an average cost of a grand for a new replacement motor I think this is the key info in buying a used bike for peace of mind. I'm up on all this info as I just bought one! I had to dig into all this to find out about warranty & repairs and it really didn't take long. I also discovered that Polini the Italian motor brand that I hadn't heard much about, not only make their motors easy to repair but will also supply all the parts for you to do the repairs at home. That's the kind of transparency we need from every manufacturer. Right to repair etc etc.
Mate, you can service these motors yourself with enough patience and RUclips up. This channel is ridiculous and all they do is sell you products that go for thousands and thousands of euro's, pounds, dollars...
Thanks for the info about the place in Barrow on Furness, I didn't know about them. I've heard good things about Polini being repairable. It seems warranty varies a lot on different motors and there's also non official answers being given that some motor manufacturers want you back riding their motors on the trails as soon as possible, and will therefore help you with a low cost out of warranty fix. Hopefully it's something that all motor manufacturers are working on getting a plan for- out of warranty repairs. Cheers, Neil
very useful. I recently bought a secondhand EMB from Decathlon. great price 2K for a 5K Flyer Eroc. comes with a 12 month warranty. I am pretty happy and got a great bike at an affordable price. it needed new hand grips and saddle..very happy great bike. I like the tip of listening to bearing noise. thanks.
I'm just here to listen to you talk about how awesome my bike is. Although mine came with SLX brakes which have performed well. Tip: All that goo at the front on the downtube above the battery is adhesive from fork bumpers that have fallen off. It's a common problem. Mine came off within two weeks. Fortuanately, I didn't lose them. If you want them, clean off the adhesive (which took me forever -- WD-40 ended up being the magic elixir over all the other purpose-made removers I had) and use 3M VHB tape on the new bumpers. Mine have been rock solid since then (about 1200 miles).
Ive seen new Shimano EP8 motors for sale online, for not much more than a full rebuild costs for other motors. In general EMTB's are not a cheap thing if you screw one up.
More depressing with this is how the heck can you hope to sell an eBike after you have had 3-5 good years out of it. Dam things are nearly a throwaway frame as no secondhand buyer is going to then fork out for a new motor and battery. Assuming they can even be bought 5 years after the original release of the bike. Its even worse if you get something plagued with motor issues from the start like many of those stuck with a popular light eBike motor brand that has become a warranty nightmare to keep the bike running at all. Seems none of these motors were ever really intended to go into mountain bikes.
@@TommyTheBat Not so sure they will unless sales specifically of eMTB's go up massively. Those sort of improvements along with better value generally need to have sales volume pushing them along. A universal motor mount and battery fitting is what would probably be best and then the motor companys can be competing for sales bases more on reliability and performance instead of which OEM negotiates the most favourable deal for their profit margins.
That Marin is a great bike. I did have issues with blowing out the coil shock on that bike. Fox said it was due to frame flex putting side load on the shock shaft. I fixed that with a Float X2.
@CMZPICTURES Was always bound to happen... just took bike sales to grow and make specialist repair shops viable....up to now it was about knowing someone that had factory/relevant experience. Access to 'software' including diagnosis tools makes a huge difference though. Odd about Shimano being so protective...but I guess they have preferred repairers and didn't want em competing.
Very Very excellent segment with Pete. He's always a wealth of knowledge. You did a way better job of questioning him than Steve ever did. This is info you should have included in the previous emtb maintenance vid instead of the generic mtb bike crap.
Cheers Neil 👍🏻 I’m in a position where I can only possibly afford a 2nd hand emtb. Having knee issues from being in the military and playing rugby I thought it was time to look at a emtb. I’ve been looking at a Cube with a bosch motor. So if I have any issues I’ll definitely be speaking to Peter’s company 👏🏻
Great advice from the e-bike motor centre on checking wear on motor will have to mines, if going second hand would only buy from shop or trail centre, always good idea to keep eyes peeled for end of stock bike sales, can often match price of some second hand ebikes, thanks for sharing Neil and Embn! 😁
My plan is to buy a second hand ebike during the year. A friend bought a nukeproof mega two years ago and all good. Half the price of a new bike, cheers 💚
Very interesting topic and great video. Would've loved to hear about the battery's condition, how to check it when you're buying secondhand off someone, and where you stand if it's faulty
Yes. Agree. Bikes have come down so much from what they were. A bike that someone bought a couple years ago for 8000$ is now 5000$ new and it seems like you should be able to sell your used 8000$ for 5000$ but it's just not the case. Its worth 2500-3000$ in my opinion. You'd be crazy to buy a used one in this environment. And in another month or two you'll be able to buy a nice new gas gas or the like for peanuts
You….too many selling second hand bikes, thinking they can buy a new one with the money they ask. Ahh…hello…..it is used…..if it ain’t at least half price….you are asking too much. People seem to forget the value they got out of their bike when it comes to selling them. (Or maybe they remember too much and are selling nostalgia with it..). 🤷🏼
This video was perfect confirmation, to stop even considering buying an Ebike. From what the repairman said, water ingress is guaranteed at some point and anything electrical doesn’t bide well with water contact. How can that Marin bike be a good buy, when it’s missing a fork bump stop, leaving an opening for water to gather inside the frame. I’ve tried hard to find positives, that outweigh negatives with Ebikes. The overall impression is, unless you have deep pockets of cash to maintain an Ebike, then better off staying clear. Thanks to The Don for this video. All the best
Water ingress can be avoided by: Not riding through deep water. Not jet washing the motor. Not carried on a car in the wet without the motor covered. Additionally, I coat all the electronic connections with ACF50 & slap some waterproof grease around all the seals & bearings.
It's just like everything in life, if you don't have money to maintain it, don't buy it, same thing with a car, boat, motorcycle, house etc.. it's an expensive hobby but if you can afford it, it's totally worth it. You can find a bargain in the second hand market barely used, I think the bike in the video was not a good example.
Hi, I bought a 2 year old cube stereo hybrid 140 base model at a bargain price from the original owner with book, keys and original shop receipt with 2000km on it. It was super clean and by the looks of it, it didn’t have a hard life. Literally as soon as I’d got it, I started upgrading virtually everything other than the frame and the motor to the point where it now has cost me more in parts than the original bike 😂. Ran it for another 1000km (have other bikes to ride also) and noticed the crank bearings were getting a little noisy. Sent my motor off to the e-bike motor repair centre and am currently waiting on its return. I sold everything that I’d taken off the bike to go towards cost of replacements and thoroughly enjoyed the whole process. The bike is now exactly how I wanted it to be and is a blast to ride.
Glad this dude finally told them you cannot pressure wash motors ive been saying this for years and all these mtb youtubers saying the opposite glad to know i was right
There's a mechanical risk with anything that's bought 2nd hand, but mechanicals aside, I personally wouldn't dream of buying 2nd hand unless that bike came with a lot of documentation and original bill of sale. Facecrock market place is swamped with stolen bikes.. and with many manufacturers just having a QR code sticker instead of actual frame numbers, they make it all to easy for thieving c-nuts to pull them off and sell the bikes on.
Who cares, Ill buy it and pretend I don't know its stolen. If you pay the prices of these mountainbikes with inferior batteries and motors you deserve it. 12K for an electric mountainbike is literal extortion and the profits of these companies are through the roof. For 12K I can buy a whole ass new car.
Personally, I’m always more worried by battery life. When a model is discontinued it’s inevitable that finding a new battery once you can’t get many miles between charges will be the most difficult problem to solve. If there were companies available that could recondition battery units by installing new cells it would definitely improve the second hand market. Maybe a video exploring battery internals would be helpful?
Several pre-owned eMTBs were not acquired due to concerns regarding the Shimano EP8 motor. While acknowledging the motor's performance, uncertainties regarding potential future maintenance issues hindered the purchasing decisions. Enhanced Shimano support for repair centers, including guidance on EP8 motor pre-failure inspections, would significantly improve confidence in the used bicycle market and potentially increase sales volume.
Many Australians are aware of this, as it has been widely publicized. I personally had the pleasure of riding and enjoying the Marin Alpine E-Trail featured in the episode and had the opportunity to purchase one for approximately $4800 AUD, but I decided against it as I already own a Merida E160 with the same EP08 motor and am quite comfortable with it. For those unfamiliar with it, the recent EMBN episode offered helpful information.
I bought my only full e-mtb used from an ex-rental, online. A bit of a crazy move which I wouldn't do again. New price, 4500€, selling 2000€ with motor warranty. Luckily I was able to claim the warranty at a local shop because the motor (Bosch) was completely worn out. On my own I also replaced chain, Haibike proprietary, crazy expensive 16 teeth chainring, the cassette. Later on I had to do all the bearings of the suspension linkage anew, and of course fork and rear damper. At the end I spent another 1000€. Now it's actually a good bike, however next time I plan to buy used, I will want to ride it, check the chain wear and overall shape before committing. Before me, this bike was being kept in a very poor condition. However, I think buying used is a good choice if you don't care about fancy latest trend and you are knowledgeable in minor repairs (see above about the chain wear).
Like an EV or cell phone - it is hard to tell how well the battery has been cared for. Plugged in all the time/left on charge, charge cycles, did it freeze, fast charge vs trickle. There are risks no doubt
I bought a second hand Transition Repeater e-mbt off pinkbike with only 350 miles on it for $5,000. I put about 40 miles on it when the torque sensor failed on me in the middle of no where. Thank god it was still under warranty and shimano replaced the ep8 motor for free. It now has over 950 miles on it🤟🏿😎
i figure unlike all my normal bikes that i’ve owned since the early 00s is that my ebike won’t be sold as i don’t think it’s fair to sell on something that could have “electrical” issues….i reckon that i will ride my ebike into the ground so long as electrical parts are available… the mtnbike companies should have sorted themselves on standards so that these ebikes aren’t throwaways essentially
funny enough i just got a second hand Marin E1 with 200 miles and 2 little scratches from my local bike shop for the same price just before Christmas, came with 6 month warranty. apart from a clicking sound coming from either the forks or somewhere in the front (i think at least) but haven't seemed to narrow it down yet.
Bought a Orbea Rise earlier in the year, the motor had around 450 miles on it. Couldn't afford a new bike and don't earn enough for the cycle to work scheme which is what I wanted to use. Started to think I should have bought another brand of bike now. If it goes wrong I probably can't even put a normal EP8 in there without the RS tuning. I will probably send it off for a service at some point soon. Shimano really need to make spares available.
Look in EMTB forums for EP8 info. Shimano will cover warranty issues for used bikes as long as you got original receipt. Also check out what Orbea say as yes that RS tuning could be an issue. Still it is a shimano motor so should be covered. Worth making a couple of phone calls for peace of mind.
From what I've read on emtb forums you can put a standard motor in as the "rs" is physically the same, just software limited? Worse case if you can't get the rs firmware on it, run a standard ep8 and use the shimano app to adjust the nm and max watts back down to 60nm etc?
I sold my 5yr old ebike on ebay. It was plagued with problems. I listed it as faulty and even said it will need hundreds spending on it. I can't believe someone bought it. I just hope he could fix all the issues.
I bought a 2 year year old Rail 9.9 with 400km on the motor. Was in amazing condition and over half the price of a new. I see no reason why not to buy a used, just take your time finding the right one.
Make sure you know how much an extra battery and a new motor will cost you. On my 3rd EP8 and 2nd display. I would not buy used, and will not buy anything from Shimano ever again. Frankly, I barely use my ebike anymore... a single Shimano BEEEEP gives me instant PTSD symptoms.
I'd be very wary due to the fact that you don't know how the battery has been treated, eg has it been "fast" charged, drained to exhaustion, stored too empty/ too full, too hot/cold etc all of which affect the longevity and number of times it can be recharged.
its a shame, because in my mind, during the Wet winter months would be the prime time to want to ride a Ebike..i dont have one unfortunately, but whenever i think about getting one its when im struggling in the wet deep mud on my local trails.
"EMTB's are the best winter training bike!" its this kind of statement that cracks me up . The ONE thing no EMTB can stand is major water/fine silt exposure. Why would one be the best in winter? A friend rode his 10K Orbea EMTB thru a deep-ish creek ahead of me. One time he did that, the bike started making the noise right away. The grit in bearings noise. I dunno how long its got to rebuild now but it seems funny to sell a "Mt Bike" with a motor system that is very vulnerable to normal off road usage. I think if you are given a new bike to use regularly for advertisement purposes none of this matter,s the bike will be only a memory very soon. If you paid your 7 or 10K its a different thing. I recognize my EMTB is fragile so I dont ride it in water, period. I wash it gently.
I bought a 2022 Trek Rail 5 custom with 800 miles on the clock for £3.5k 18 months ago and apart from the seller lying through his teeth, it’s been a brilliant bike. My advice: 1. Never believe the word of a (private) seller. 2. Always verify the documentation that came with the bike. Especially the original purchase receipt and full diagnostic report on both the motor and the battery. 3. Budget at least £400 in fully servicing the bike by a pro bike mechanic. All the suspension bearings on my bike were rusted through. 4. Don’t buy a Shimano second hand. I bought my very first e-MTB round the corner from Trailhead at DMC in Shrewsbury. If you can get a refurbished EMTB from a shop instead of a private sale, it’s gonna come with a load of backup and aftersales service from the shop , either way the risk is always gonna be loaded onto the buyer, so buyer beware.
A totally brand new motor is a real red flag if you ask me. Just like it would be in a car accident some underlying problems in the battery or wiring. The main problem with second hand bikes is you don't get the warranty.
I've had a right PITA selling my Haibike. Bought an Amflow a couple of months ago and have tried selling it in various ways, but the only interested parties have been a couple of actual mountain bikers who expected to pay £200 and teenagers who seem to think it will have a throttle and ask how fast it will go, they're completely baffled when you tell them you have to pedal it. I think I'll end up giving it away within the family but it's disappointing not to be able to get something for it : ( Certainly makes me think twice about changing bike in the future, this one is going to have to last me 10 years now.
Had 2 ebikes both had water ingress or faulty electronics more hasstle than there worth stick to amish no stress no distance paranoia no water or electric issues just fun
I want to get a second hand ebike to get me out of the house. I'm a pensioner and money is tight. Thanks for this video, i never realised the problems you can encounter with a cheap second hand bike.
I have 2 ebikes, both 2019 Specialized Turbo Levo of similar mileage. The issue I came across on one of them was the motor having noticeably lower power, battery lasts about 30% less and the little push assist button intermittently not working on one of them, both batteries show as 100% health on the app. I keep them both indoors and look after them but one has multiple issues and the other has so far been faultless. What I am trying to say is there might be 2 identical used ebikes side by side and you wouldn't be able to tell which one is working fine and which one has issues. I have upgraded both bikes so the chain, tyres etc look great and on a short ride on a street you wouldn't know which one has the intermittent fault.
Then what do you do when you on a mountain bike vacation, then the day you going home it is raining and you have a 12 hour drive, how do you keep your ebike dry? By the way I got a 2nd hand ebike and I think I got a really good deal. The warranty got transferred to me. Specialize.
You can buy neoprene motor covers for some bikes, but even something as simple as a plastic bag wrapped around the motor will help. You don't have to keep the motor dry, you only have to stop the air pressure forcing the water spray from the car and tyres in past the bearing seals. It does not take too much effort and is only needed if you are traveling on wet roads.
I would love an ebike, but having motorcycles all my life with 100% reliability, the durability and costs don't inspire me to buy one until this is addressed
Its the selling of a used EMTB that tends to be a bad deal, if you bought it when prices were up. Prices now a days make a 2 year old bike not worth much. No matter what you bought it was out dated as soon as it was built. Technology marches on and buyers want latest tech. Im just going to ride what I have. And you wonder, did the owner ride it under water, or wash it so hard there's water/soap in the motor? It only takes a moment to do damage. Sealing the motors on EMTB so far hasnt gone well.
First ask why embt's are so badly designed with unsealed bearings on housings that also contain electronics. Both mechanical and electronic components fail when water enters. Combine this with using Li-ion batteries that readily explode instead of safe LiPo types and you have a recipe for more than an uncomfortable ride. Engineering of this calibre would be ruinous for any other industry, ebikers continue to be taken to the cleaners.
Agree about the industry not doing enough on motor reliability but catching fire? Maybe DIY but not all these major brands the film is discussing. Water ingress kills motors it doesn't lead to battery fires.
He answered your question….simply put….better seals equals more friction which equals more power loss. They obviously have to find some kind of happy medium. I have never had moisture issues…..but I am in Aus not in UK. 😳
@shannond9945 Hi, this argument is invalid as friction imparted by low rotation rates on output shafts by "O" rings is in the micro range! Its not an excuse to sell dedicated spares and service.
I got a used 2022 Haibike ALlMTN CF6 last summer for £2000 the original owner had damaged the original motor and snapped the chain which damaged the rear drivetrain so has a replacement Yamaha pw-x2 motor that had done 520miles when I got it plus a new chain but the rear drivetrain has been changed to a NX from the original GX that got damaged. so far had no problems been out in the woods around Warminster and thinking of trying out windhill park at some point not really been riding off road for years and this was a replacement for my my old 1990 muddy fox which I still have. I have been using monkey juice to clean the bike with just a small sprinkling of water in the motor area.
I bought a second have Yt Decoy and the battery failed after three rides. I still kick myself to this day. Now I have a dead e bike. YTs supply of e bike battery’s are non existent. I’m fed up of looking at the dead weight now.
I’ve had terrible experiences with Shimano motors. Would never buy a bike with one for the reliability and poor warranty support. 2 year warranty is a joke
Battery is probably more of a worry than the motor (as we see, motors are cheap enough to repair). Are there any companies (legit companies not back street cowboys) that can repair/overhaul the batteries?
AFAIK it is not possible to repair the Bosch batteries. Anyway, you should ask, before buying, to get a battery readout, where you can see also the battery SOH. As long as it is above 90%, you are good to go. Of course check that the original charger is available. Lack of original charger is a giveaway of a stolen bike and non-OEM chargers may damage the battery.
I’m in Suffolk and looking to trade my 2 year old emtb for something new, I really don’t want the hassle of selling it privately so would be looking for a shop to px, is there any good retailers that will give a fair price and have a good range of brands?
I bought 2nd hand. But mileage and seller were genuine. 2300 fatties for a cannondale topstone neo (6knew) with 700km on it. FunSpeeded it too. Gr8 bike. Now has 3400km on it a year later. Ugly though!❤❤❤😂😂
I’m tighter than a ducks butt, I’ve been tempted by second hand ebikes but I read the descriptions and they’re like “7th motor under warranty”. At that point I’m wondering what I’m going to do 3 weeks down the line with a pile of scrap. For a big purchase like that I’m thinking I’ll be better off paying the new tax. I’m tossing up between orbea’s wild and rise. After watching this, I guess the Bosch on the wild is the safer bet!
We have just started repairing the Brompton hub motor, and will be supporting the Bafang hub motors for Halfords. But in truth most other motors are Chinese and usually not economically viable to fix. The market is flooded by so many different models from hundreds of unknown manufacturers it's a bit of a nightmare to be honest.
Clearly, don’t buy a Shimano drivetrain! I knew that anyway! My mate had 3 motors replaced in under 12 months! He now has a spare motor on hand if the latest goes pear shaped! Personally had no issue with the Bosch performance CX motor worked flawlessly for over 2k and I use a battery operated pressure washer, it’s basic common sense, don’t blast the crank area of your bike!🤷🏼♂️ not sure an emtb is only rated for a ‘puddle’ though?! This channel has shown videos of how motors are tested, it’s not a puddle!🤷🏼♂️🤔
Dont blast your bike with a pressure washer period. It will be fine a 100 times, until you blow out the seals of your fork or damper and you are looking at a total rebuild of your suspension, or your bearings etc. Just use a regular hose......
@@Yes-sw8ghI’ve been using one for 5 years and had no issue with any of my bikes, e-bike or otherwise! The handheld battery washers don’t have crazy pressure and like I said use your common sense and blast areas around seals!
The comment about ep8’s being unrepairable is not correct. Had my motor inspected and replaced at zero cost by e-motor repairs communicating with shimano. Great service and would happily use again. My Marin e2 has nearly 300 miles on top of the miles prior to the previous failure.
@@wizzyno1566disassembled to find fault, fault was torque sensor. Had it been gears, seals, etc they can. Shimano approached as torque sensor was failed due to water ingress. Motor was replaced by shimano as goodwill out of warranty as I was second owner. The chap implied shimano can’t be repaired by anyone and that wasn’t correct especially in the uk.
DJI is going to have an uphill battle in terms of support. Their support for their drones is ... marginal. And it is going to be a bit more difficult to mail a bike back to a service center. I wouldn't touch a DJI bike until they sort out their support chain. Which they will do. Eventually.
"Cheap" 🤣 I paid 6000 € for my used Orbea Wild Custom Enduro. But I is worth every penny ❤ Makes me feel like i'm Steve McQueen riding in The Great Escape 😝🤣✌️
Ceramic are not a great bearing when in a high grit/dirt environment and they are not usually available with seals either. Stainless bearings would have to be slightly larger in size to offer the same strength, this would add a little extra weight to the motor. If you consider manufacturers are using magnesium screws to save a gram or two, so fitting heavy bearings is a real no, no, in the motor race for supremacy.
Shame on MBN for perpetuating the bike industry's main problem, ebikes and regular bikes costing nearly the same as a brand new hatchback. You guys keep acting like these prices are normal, then go on to make videos like this, its all just so dumb and cringe to see. I've seen videos of you guys saying a 3000 euro hardtail is a beginner bike...... get a grip you guys, you are so so far off the regular market that its almost starting to become silly. Riding around on ya sponsor bikes with ya nose in the air telling the regular folks what to do and what not to do. "checking it over to see if it's safe" Brother please.
But in this video I'm looking into the reality of buying a cheaper 2nd hand bike, a cheaper way of people getting in to eMTB, that does not please you either? Neil
@@embn See the problem is that everything is so overpriced from the get go, and same with all e-bikes, content creators get sent review samples to keep or sponsorship bikes left and right, meaning these people review machines that the end consumer really cannot afford. Name me one affordable, new embt thats under 8000 euros. Im betting if there is one it isnt even a full suspension and it might even have a coil fork on there. Inflated prices for the motor, battery, and I would even say the frames and components. Bafang will sell me a 350w motor for 300 euros excluding shipping, I own the 750w version and its already served me for about 12K miles needing regreasing in between and I replaced a pinion gear on the motor myself. I can then buy a high end old 26er, slap that motor on, mount my battery in the triangle or another place, and Ill be done for about 2K if you are getting a really good second hand mountainbike to build upon. Bosch motor, bosch battery, bosch service center, proprietary everything. It just doesnt make sense, the whole eco system is designed to make money money money, not to provide the end user with the best product. Its the same with regular mtbing, 3K for a hardtail with a coil fork....... Manufacturing processes have never been more streamlined yet bikes cost more than back in the late 90s early 2000s where the industry was on a come up. Channels like yours make it seem like these prices are normal and the end consumers, us, are sick of it. Deore groupset will run me about 300 to 400 euros! Aliexpress special comes down to about 150 including a clutch derailleur, sure I might have to get a new 30 euro Chinese casette a lot earlier than lets say an SLX one, but Ill be laughing all the way to the ali order button knowing Im not overpaying by sometimes over more than 100 percent on something that obviously only costs that much cause it gets Shimano stamped on there.
Absolutely because of channels like this ran by fools people are lapping up ebikes that are ewaste within 24 months of coming off the production line. The only sustainable way right now is a DIY bike. Something you gues demonise because you have no clue
The answer is NO. Everyone I know who has an ebike say so. You need the warranty. The guys who have e-bikes all try to sell them at end of their warranty
I talked to Peter Collard by email and he fixed a motor for me. Brilliant company, fantastic bloke.
Bought an ex hire 1y/o Whyte 150 with under 700 miles on it, I sent the motor to Pete Collard and co for service and have now a great second hand ebike. Great company.
Great to hear 😁
Neil always does brilliant, no nonsense vids with useful, thoughtful content. Fingers crossed my motor stays healthy but it’s not as scary as I’d feared for a repair.
Thanks for the feedback 🙏
EMBN always seem to go to this repair service who don't repair Shimano but ignore e-motorrepairs up in Barrow On Furness who are apparently the UK's biggest ebike motor repair company and DO repair Shimano motors & have pics of loads of EP8s etc being repaired on their insta page. It would also be worthwhile if you had gone through the secondhand position of each motor manufacturer one by one as their warranty positions vary. Due to due diligence by users on the EMTB forums and despite Madison, the Shimano importer saying otherwise, Shimano warranty IS covered for second hand motors as long as you have the original receipt and it's within warranty period (2 years). Specialized also allow transfer of warranty (also 2 years except for that dodgy batch of Brose motors (mark 2?) which I think is 4 or 5) but I don't know about Yamaha, Bosch, Brose etc This is the kind of info I hoped you'd look into as this is about buying a second hand emtb and is very important info. At an average cost of a grand for a new replacement motor I think this is the key info in buying a used bike for peace of mind. I'm up on all this info as I just bought one! I had to dig into all this to find out about warranty & repairs and it really didn't take long. I also discovered that Polini the Italian motor brand that I hadn't heard much about, not only make their motors easy to repair but will also supply all the parts for you to do the repairs at home. That's the kind of transparency we need from every manufacturer. Right to repair etc etc.
Mate, you can service these motors yourself with enough patience and RUclips up.
This channel is ridiculous and all they do is sell you products that go for thousands and thousands of euro's, pounds, dollars...
@@Yes-sw8gh yea the sole reason for this channel existing is for them to make money from paid partnerships. It's a full blown ad service.
@ Yep. Its legitimately sad.
Thanks for the info about the place in Barrow on Furness, I didn't know about them. I've heard good things about Polini being repairable. It seems warranty varies a lot on different motors and there's also non official answers being given that some motor manufacturers want you back riding their motors on the trails as soon as possible, and will therefore help you with a low cost out of warranty fix. Hopefully it's something that all motor manufacturers are working on getting a plan for- out of warranty repairs.
Cheers, Neil
check for original receipt of purchase to make sure its not stolen would be the first thing
No stolen is ok as long as the mileage is genuine.
very useful. I recently bought a secondhand EMB from Decathlon. great price 2K for a 5K Flyer Eroc. comes with a 12 month warranty. I am pretty happy and got a great bike at an affordable price. it needed new hand grips and saddle..very happy great bike. I like the tip of listening to bearing noise. thanks.
So basically, by the sound of it, most motors in off-road capable bikes aren’t fit for purpose?
in a word!
Thanks for the video. Peter supports the emtb group and we have 19k members that I am involved in and his service has been second to none.
Great to hear!
I'm just here to listen to you talk about how awesome my bike is. Although mine came with SLX brakes which have performed well. Tip: All that goo at the front on the downtube above the battery is adhesive from fork bumpers that have fallen off. It's a common problem. Mine came off within two weeks. Fortuanately, I didn't lose them. If you want them, clean off the adhesive (which took me forever -- WD-40 ended up being the magic elixir over all the other purpose-made removers I had) and use 3M VHB tape on the new bumpers. Mine have been rock solid since then (about 1200 miles).
Good to hear something positive re Shimano motors for a change , not supporting out of warranty is criminal
Ive seen new Shimano EP8 motors for sale online, for not much more than a full rebuild costs for other motors.
In general EMTB's are not a cheap thing if you screw one up.
E-Motor Repairs in barrow repair Shimano motors. Replacement isn’t the only option.
More depressing with this is how the heck can you hope to sell an eBike after you have had 3-5 good years out of it. Dam things are nearly a throwaway frame as no secondhand buyer is going to then fork out for a new motor and battery. Assuming they can even be bought 5 years after the original release of the bike. Its even worse if you get something plagued with motor issues from the start like many of those stuck with a popular light eBike motor brand that has become a warranty nightmare to keep the bike running at all. Seems none of these motors were ever really intended to go into mountain bikes.
@@starship3861 they'll probably get more reliable in the future
@@TommyTheBat Not so sure they will unless sales specifically of eMTB's go up massively. Those sort of improvements along with better value generally need to have sales volume pushing them along. A universal motor mount and battery fitting is what would probably be best and then the motor companys can be competing for sales bases more on reliability and performance instead of which OEM negotiates the most favourable deal for their profit margins.
That maybe a Shimano motor but not Bosch
That Marin is a great bike. I did have issues with blowing out the coil shock on that bike. Fox said it was due to frame flex putting side load on the shock shaft. I fixed that with a Float X2.
It's great to see there's expertise to fix these things!
@CMZPICTURES Was always bound to happen... just took bike sales to grow and make specialist repair shops viable....up to now it was about knowing someone that had factory/relevant experience. Access to 'software' including diagnosis tools makes a huge difference though. Odd about Shimano being so protective...but I guess they have preferred repairers and didn't want em competing.
Very Very excellent segment with Pete. He's always a wealth of knowledge. You did a way better job of questioning him than Steve ever did. This is info you should have included in the previous emtb maintenance vid instead of the generic mtb bike crap.
I bought my 2022 niner ripe9 used from the pro's closet with 53 miles on it and couldn't be happier! It's a bit heavy but so am I so all good!
Ha -- bought this exact bike used, have put @2000 miles on it so far with no issues -- best purchase of my life!!
Cheers Neil 👍🏻 I’m in a position where I can only possibly afford a 2nd hand emtb. Having knee issues from being in the military and playing rugby I thought it was time to look at a emtb. I’ve been looking at a Cube with a bosch motor. So if I have any issues I’ll definitely be speaking to Peter’s company 👏🏻
I ride one due to buggered knees from MotoX , 12 years dispatch riding and now, at 65, Osteoarthritis. Absolute game changer. Do it !
Great advice from the e-bike motor centre on checking wear on motor will have to mines, if going second hand would only buy from shop or trail centre, always good idea to keep eyes peeled for end of stock bike sales, can often match price of some second hand ebikes, thanks for sharing Neil and Embn! 😁
My plan is to buy a second hand ebike during the year. A friend bought a nukeproof mega two years ago and all good. Half the price of a new bike, cheers 💚
Very interesting topic and great video. Would've loved to hear about the battery's condition, how to check it when you're buying secondhand off someone, and where you stand if it's faulty
New bikes on offer are normally as cheap as the silly prices being asked by used sellers.
Yes. Agree. Bikes have come down so much from what they were. A bike that someone bought a couple years ago for 8000$ is now 5000$ new and it seems like you should be able to sell your used 8000$ for 5000$ but it's just not the case. Its worth 2500-3000$ in my opinion. You'd be crazy to buy a used one in this environment. And in another month or two you'll be able to buy a nice new gas gas or the like for peanuts
You….too many selling second hand bikes, thinking they can buy a new one with the money they ask. Ahh…hello…..it is used…..if it ain’t at least half price….you are asking too much. People seem to forget the value they got out of their bike when it comes to selling them. (Or maybe they remember too much and are selling nostalgia with it..). 🤷🏼
@@themeach011 What does 'new gas gas' mean?
Another great video Neil! Well done! 👍🏿🙏👍🏿
This video was perfect confirmation, to stop even considering buying an Ebike.
From what the repairman said, water ingress is guaranteed at some point and anything electrical doesn’t bide well with water contact. How can that Marin bike be a good buy, when it’s missing a fork bump stop, leaving an opening for water to gather inside the frame.
I’ve tried hard to find positives, that outweigh negatives with Ebikes. The overall impression is, unless you have deep pockets of cash to maintain an Ebike, then better off staying clear.
Thanks to The Don for this video. All the best
Water ingress can be avoided by:
Not riding through deep water.
Not jet washing the motor.
Not carried on a car in the wet without the motor covered.
Additionally, I coat all the electronic connections with ACF50 & slap some waterproof grease around all the seals & bearings.
It's just like everything in life, if you don't have money to maintain it, don't buy it, same thing with a car, boat, motorcycle, house etc.. it's an expensive hobby but if you can afford it, it's totally worth it. You can find a bargain in the second hand market barely used, I think the bike in the video was not a good example.
Just to advise Shimano replaced my motor after 4500 miles and 3 years so well out of warranty for £400
I have to ask the question why is a motor in need of replacement at just 4500 miles!! I hear this too many times now.
Hi, I bought a 2 year old cube stereo hybrid 140 base model at a bargain price from the original owner with book, keys and original shop receipt with 2000km on it. It was super clean and by the looks of it, it didn’t have a hard life. Literally as soon as I’d got it, I started upgrading virtually everything other than the frame and the motor to the point where it now has cost me more in parts than the original bike 😂.
Ran it for another 1000km (have other bikes to ride also) and noticed the crank bearings were getting a little noisy. Sent my motor off to the e-bike motor repair centre and am currently waiting on its return. I sold everything that I’d taken off the bike to go towards cost of replacements and thoroughly enjoyed the whole process. The bike is now exactly how I wanted it to be and is a blast to ride.
Glad this dude finally told them you cannot pressure wash motors ive been saying this for years and all these mtb youtubers saying the opposite glad to know i was right
There's a mechanical risk with anything that's bought 2nd hand, but mechanicals aside, I personally wouldn't dream of buying 2nd hand unless that bike came with a lot of documentation and original bill of sale. Facecrock market place is swamped with stolen bikes.. and with many manufacturers just having a QR code sticker instead of actual frame numbers, they make it all to easy for thieving c-nuts to pull them off and sell the bikes on.
Who cares, Ill buy it and pretend I don't know its stolen. If you pay the prices of these mountainbikes with inferior batteries and motors you deserve it. 12K for an electric mountainbike is literal extortion and the profits of these companies are through the roof.
For 12K I can buy a whole ass new car.
Personally, I’m always more worried by battery life. When a model is discontinued it’s inevitable that finding a new battery once you can’t get many miles between charges will be the most difficult problem to solve. If there were companies available that could recondition battery units by installing new cells it would definitely improve the second hand market. Maybe a video exploring battery internals would be helpful?
Several pre-owned eMTBs were not acquired due to concerns regarding the Shimano EP8 motor. While acknowledging the motor's performance, uncertainties regarding potential future maintenance issues hindered the purchasing decisions. Enhanced Shimano support for repair centers, including guidance on EP8 motor pre-failure inspections, would significantly improve confidence in the used bicycle market and potentially increase sales volume.
Many Australians are aware of this, as it has been widely publicized. I personally had the pleasure of riding and enjoying the Marin Alpine E-Trail featured in the episode and had the opportunity to purchase one for approximately $4800 AUD, but I decided against it as I already own a Merida E160 with the same EP08 motor and am quite comfortable with it. For those unfamiliar with it, the recent EMBN episode offered helpful information.
E-Motor Repairs can service Shimano motors 👍
Bought my 1st emtb used which was actually my first mtb ever at decathlon def worth it
I bought my only full e-mtb used from an ex-rental, online. A bit of a crazy move which I wouldn't do again. New price, 4500€, selling 2000€ with motor warranty. Luckily I was able to claim the warranty at a local shop because the motor (Bosch) was completely worn out. On my own I also replaced chain, Haibike proprietary, crazy expensive 16 teeth chainring, the cassette. Later on I had to do all the bearings of the suspension linkage anew, and of course fork and rear damper. At the end I spent another 1000€. Now it's actually a good bike, however next time I plan to buy used, I will want to ride it, check the chain wear and overall shape before committing. Before me, this bike was being kept in a very poor condition. However, I think buying used is a good choice if you don't care about fancy latest trend and you are knowledgeable in minor repairs (see above about the chain wear).
Like an EV or cell phone - it is hard to tell how well the battery has been cared for. Plugged in all the time/left on charge, charge cycles, did it freeze, fast charge vs trickle. There are risks no doubt
I bought a second hand Transition Repeater e-mbt off pinkbike with only 350 miles on it for $5,000. I put about 40 miles on it when the torque sensor failed on me in the middle of no where. Thank god it was still under warranty and shimano replaced the ep8 motor for free. It now has over 950 miles on it🤟🏿😎
Thats a sweet deal. I have the base trim of this bike for 2years now, the E1, it has been good, upgraded some components. Motor has 1500miles.
Been riding the exact same bike for over 3 years now, such a great bike! Those rubber bump stops always come off as doon as you look at them 😂
i figure unlike all my normal bikes that i’ve owned since the early 00s is that my ebike won’t be sold as i don’t think it’s fair to sell on something that could have “electrical” issues….i reckon that i will ride my ebike into the ground so long as electrical parts are available…
the mtnbike companies should have sorted themselves on standards so that these ebikes aren’t throwaways essentially
Totally, bought a secondhand cube hardtail with less than 1k km for 1000.
could be worse, you could buy brand new from canyon but receive a second hand 'returned' emtb 😅
funny enough i just got a second hand Marin E1 with 200 miles and 2 little scratches from my local bike shop for the same price just before Christmas, came with 6 month warranty. apart from a clicking sound coming from either the forks or somewhere in the front (i think at least) but haven't seemed to narrow it down yet.
Very few consumer items lose value as hard as a used e-mtb.
Bought a Orbea Rise earlier in the year, the motor had around 450 miles on it. Couldn't afford a new bike and don't earn enough for the cycle to work scheme which is what I wanted to use. Started to think I should have bought another brand of bike now. If it goes wrong I probably can't even put a normal EP8 in there without the RS tuning. I will probably send it off for a service at some point soon. Shimano really need to make spares available.
Look in EMTB forums for EP8 info. Shimano will cover warranty issues for used bikes as long as you got original receipt. Also check out what Orbea say as yes that RS tuning could be an issue. Still it is a shimano motor so should be covered. Worth making a couple of phone calls for peace of mind.
@@BillyBob-ri9pm It's a second hand bike. Even if I had the original receipt it would already be out of warranty.
@@krzysiu4003 OK. Then check out e-motor repairs who do Shimano motor repairs if and when you need them & hopefully that is never!
From what I've read on emtb forums you can put a standard motor in as the "rs" is physically the same, just software limited? Worse case if you can't get the rs firmware on it, run a standard ep8 and use the shimano app to adjust the nm and max watts back down to 60nm etc?
@ great info. I was assuming the battery would have to RS software in it too.
I sold my 5yr old ebike on ebay. It was plagued with problems. I listed it as faulty and even said it will need hundreds spending on it. I can't believe someone bought it. I just hope he could fix all the issues.
I bought a 2 year year old Rail 9.9 with 400km on the motor. Was in amazing condition and over half the price of a new.
I see no reason why not to buy a used, just take your time finding the right one.
It’s hardly broken in….
@ absolutely! I’ve added 3,000km to it now, perhaps just got lucky but it’s been a cracking bike with just the usual wear and tear maintenance needed
Make sure you know how much an extra battery and a new motor will cost you.
On my 3rd EP8 and 2nd display. I would not buy used, and will not buy anything from Shimano ever again.
Frankly, I barely use my ebike anymore... a single Shimano BEEEEP gives me instant PTSD symptoms.
I'd be very wary due to the fact that you don't know how the battery has been treated, eg has it been "fast" charged, drained to exhaustion, stored too empty/ too full, too hot/cold etc all of which affect the longevity and number of times it can be recharged.
its a shame, because in my mind, during the Wet winter months would be the prime time to want to ride a Ebike..i dont have one unfortunately, but whenever i think about getting one its when im struggling in the wet deep mud on my local trails.
Love my secondhand Giant Trance e+ 2500 km. No probs
Same here Giant Trance E+ 5k ridden no probs still carrying me across boggy Dartmoor five years on
"EMTB's are the best winter training bike!" its this kind of statement that cracks me up . The ONE thing no EMTB can stand is major water/fine silt exposure.
Why would one be the best in winter?
A friend rode his 10K Orbea EMTB thru a deep-ish creek ahead of me. One time he did that, the bike started making the noise right away.
The grit in bearings noise. I dunno how long its got to rebuild now but it seems funny to sell a "Mt Bike" with a motor system that is very vulnerable to normal off road usage.
I think if you are given a new bike to use regularly for advertisement purposes none of this matter,s the bike will be only a memory very soon.
If you paid your 7 or 10K its a different thing. I recognize my EMTB is fragile so I dont ride it in water, period. I wash it gently.
Yes!
I bought a 2022 Trek Rail 5 custom with 800 miles on the clock for £3.5k 18 months ago and apart from the seller lying through his teeth, it’s been a brilliant bike.
My advice:
1. Never believe the word of a (private) seller.
2. Always verify the documentation that came with the bike. Especially the original purchase receipt and full diagnostic report on both the motor and the battery.
3. Budget at least £400 in fully servicing the bike by a pro bike mechanic. All the suspension bearings on my bike were rusted through.
4. Don’t buy a Shimano second hand.
I bought my very first e-MTB round the corner from Trailhead at DMC in Shrewsbury. If you can get a refurbished EMTB from a shop instead of a private sale, it’s gonna come with a load of backup and aftersales service from the shop , either way the risk is always gonna be loaded onto the buyer, so buyer beware.
End of the day, buying quality used 2nd hand means you can get a lot more bang for your bucks compared to buying brand new for the same price.
A totally brand new motor is a real red flag if you ask me. Just like it would be in a car accident some underlying problems in the battery or wiring. The main problem with second hand bikes is you don't get the warranty.
I've had a right PITA selling my Haibike. Bought an Amflow a couple of months ago and have tried selling it in various ways, but the only interested parties have been a couple of actual mountain bikers who expected to pay £200 and teenagers who seem to think it will have a throttle and ask how fast it will go, they're completely baffled when you tell them you have to pedal it. I think I'll end up giving it away within the family but it's disappointing not to be able to get something for it : ( Certainly makes me think twice about changing bike in the future, this one is going to have to last me 10 years now.
Tried selling my shite Raymon full ray 10.0 two years age 5,500 euros offers now about 1,300 at the most so i,ll keep it till it or i fall apart.
Try the Mondraker DUNE and LEVEL and then you will have fun 👊🥳
Had 2 ebikes both had water ingress or faulty electronics more hasstle than there worth stick to amish no stress no distance paranoia no water or electric issues just fun
I want to get a second hand ebike to get me out of the house. I'm a pensioner and money is tight. Thanks for this video, i never realised the problems you can encounter with a cheap second hand bike.
Glad we could help
I have 2 ebikes, both 2019 Specialized Turbo Levo of similar mileage. The issue I came across on one of them was the motor having noticeably lower power, battery lasts about 30% less and the little push assist button intermittently not working on one of them, both batteries show as 100% health on the app. I keep them both indoors and look after them but one has multiple issues and the other has so far been faultless. What I am trying to say is there might be 2 identical used ebikes side by side and you wouldn't be able to tell which one is working fine and which one has issues. I have upgraded both bikes so the chain, tyres etc look great and on a short ride on a street you wouldn't know which one has the intermittent fault.
Then what do you do when you on a mountain bike vacation, then the day you going home it is raining and you have a 12 hour drive, how do you keep your ebike dry? By the way I got a 2nd hand ebike and I think I got a really good deal. The warranty got transferred to me. Specialize.
You can buy neoprene motor covers for some bikes, but even something as simple as a plastic bag wrapped around the motor will help. You don't have to keep the motor dry, you only have to stop the air pressure forcing the water spray from the car and tyres in past the bearing seals. It does not take too much effort and is only needed if you are traveling on wet roads.
Witawrap food plastic does the job cheap
E-MotorRepairs can service and fix shimano motors so if anyone needs theirs serviced there are people that can successfully service them.
from what i Know they can only fix some basic stuff on shimano motors.. shimano should be banned in eu for their non repairable policy..
@@johnyfive555 they can fix a verity of issue including some torque sensor ones.
I buys used giant trance ebike with 6000km now i have 7500km still no problem drive only enduro.
I would love an ebike, but having motorcycles all my life with 100% reliability, the durability and costs don't inspire me to buy one until this is addressed
I would by a cheap 2nd hand e-bike, but I would be replacing the battery pack as that is the biggest concern for safety.
Whats a reliable ebike for commuting
Its the selling of a used EMTB that tends to be a bad deal, if you bought it when prices were up.
Prices now a days make a 2 year old bike not worth much. No matter what you bought it was out dated as soon as it was built.
Technology marches on and buyers want latest tech. Im just going to ride what I have.
And you wonder, did the owner ride it under water, or wash it so hard there's water/soap in the motor?
It only takes a moment to do damage. Sealing the motors on EMTB so far hasnt gone well.
Can I still buy a shimano e- 8000 motor ?
"designed for normal road conditions" says a lot about whether these are intended to survive a UK winter of mud and grinding paste
First ask why embt's are so badly designed with unsealed bearings on housings that also contain electronics. Both mechanical and electronic components fail when water enters. Combine this with using Li-ion batteries that readily explode instead of safe LiPo types and you have a recipe for more than an uncomfortable ride. Engineering of this calibre would be ruinous for any other industry, ebikers continue to be taken to the cleaners.
Agree about the industry not doing enough on motor reliability but catching fire? Maybe DIY but not all these major brands the film is discussing. Water ingress kills motors it doesn't lead to battery fires.
Yes very true as if the price proves the Quality the opposite is true
@@BillyBob-ri9pm Hi, Canyon batteries , ingress of moisture is the problem, plated connectors failing!
He answered your question….simply put….better seals equals more friction which equals more power loss. They obviously have to find some kind of happy medium. I have never had moisture issues…..but I am in Aus not in UK. 😳
@shannond9945 Hi, this argument is invalid as friction imparted by low rotation rates on output shafts by "O" rings is in the micro range! Its not an excuse to sell dedicated spares and service.
Interesting
No different to buying cars, MAINTENANCE HISTORY!
I got a used 2022 Haibike ALlMTN CF6 last summer for £2000 the original owner had damaged the original motor and snapped the chain which damaged the rear drivetrain so has a replacement Yamaha pw-x2 motor that had done 520miles when I got it plus a new chain but the rear drivetrain has been changed to a NX from the original GX that got damaged. so far had no problems been out in the woods around Warminster and thinking of trying out windhill park at some point not really been riding off road for years and this was a replacement for my my old 1990 muddy fox which I still have. I have been using monkey juice to clean the bike with just a small sprinkling of water in the motor area.
Maybe buy a new but last years model ? Most are a 1/3 off with full warranty.
I have a 2021 Specialized Levo Comp .Thinking of buying a new one but would have to sell mine first..So until i do the bike shop doesn't make a sale .
I bought a second have Yt Decoy and the battery failed after three rides. I still kick myself to this day. Now I have a dead e bike. YTs supply of e bike battery’s are non existent. I’m fed up of looking at the dead weight now.
Giant Control gives you battery cycles and bike km's.
How much is a good reconditioned motor bosch gen 2
I’ve had terrible experiences with Shimano motors. Would never buy a bike with one for the reliability and poor warranty support. 2 year warranty is a joke
Battery is probably more of a worry than the motor (as we see, motors are cheap enough to repair). Are there any companies (legit companies not back street cowboys) that can repair/overhaul the batteries?
AFAIK it is not possible to repair the Bosch batteries. Anyway, you should ask, before buying, to get a battery readout, where you can see also the battery SOH. As long as it is above 90%, you are good to go. Of course check that the original charger is available. Lack of original charger is a giveaway of a stolen bike and non-OEM chargers may damage the battery.
I curious to know which ebike Peter Collard rides
For the last 3 years I have owned and ridden everyday a Specialized Turbo Levo carbon comp expert... Now you know :)
@Ebikemotorcentre Thanks!
Based on what you've seen so far, which motor has the best reliability and serviceability?
I’m in Suffolk and looking to trade my 2 year old emtb for something new, I really don’t want the hassle of selling it privately so would be looking for a shop to px, is there any good retailers that will give a fair price and have a good range of brands?
How is the motor removed
Usually a couple of bolts holding the motor housing in place on the frame
I bought 2nd hand. But mileage and seller were genuine. 2300 fatties for a cannondale topstone neo (6knew) with 700km on it. FunSpeeded it too. Gr8 bike. Now has 3400km on it a year later. Ugly though!❤❤❤😂😂
Want to upgrade to Turbo Creo asap now. Thats 6-8 but ill get a loan and cycle to work.
The Shimano motor replaced under warranty is most likely the reason for sale. And Shimano not suppoorting this motor repairer.!
E-MotorRepairs repair shimano motors.
I’m tighter than a ducks butt, I’ve been tempted by second hand ebikes but I read the descriptions and they’re like “7th motor under warranty”. At that point I’m wondering what I’m going to do 3 weeks down the line with a pile of scrap.
For a big purchase like that I’m thinking I’ll be better off paying the new tax. I’m tossing up between orbea’s wild and rise. After watching this, I guess the Bosch on the wild is the safer bet!
What about hub motors?
We have just started repairing the Brompton hub motor, and will be supporting the Bafang hub motors for Halfords. But in truth most other motors are Chinese and usually not economically viable to fix. The market is flooded by so many different models from hundreds of unknown manufacturers it's a bit of a nightmare to be honest.
Clearly, don’t buy a Shimano drivetrain! I knew that anyway! My mate had 3 motors replaced in under 12 months! He now has a spare motor on hand if the latest goes pear shaped! Personally had no issue with the Bosch performance CX motor worked flawlessly for over 2k and I use a battery operated pressure washer, it’s basic common sense, don’t blast the crank area of your bike!🤷🏼♂️ not sure an emtb is only rated for a ‘puddle’ though?! This channel has shown videos of how motors are tested, it’s not a puddle!🤷🏼♂️🤔
Dont blast your bike with a pressure washer period. It will be fine a 100 times, until you blow out the seals of your fork or damper and you are looking at a total rebuild of your suspension, or your bearings etc. Just use a regular hose......
@@Yes-sw8ghI’ve been using one for 5 years and had no issue with any of my bikes, e-bike or otherwise! The handheld battery washers don’t have crazy pressure and like I said use your common sense and blast areas around seals!
The comment about ep8’s being unrepairable is not correct. Had my motor inspected and replaced at zero cost by e-motor repairs communicating with shimano. Great service and would happily use again. My Marin e2 has nearly 300 miles on top of the miles prior to the previous failure.
So it wasn't repaired. It was replaced.
@@wizzyno1566 e-motor repairs fix loads of shimano motors.
@@wizzyno1566disassembled to find fault, fault was torque sensor. Had it been gears, seals, etc they can. Shimano approached as torque sensor was failed due to water ingress. Motor was replaced by shimano as goodwill out of warranty as I was second owner. The chap implied shimano can’t be repaired by anyone and that wasn’t correct especially in the uk.
The problem as it seems, it's always something unrepairable which means you need a new motor which is fine unless it is a day over 2 years old
Buying used bikes sucks. Too much risk I like new bike day
The last time I'll buy a Shimano motor.
Battery abusers would be the biggest worry, with the way manufactures scalp battery prices.
1200 for a motor..........woooow. Bet Dji is better i'll ask Deepseek
Shimano motors aren’t that expensive current rrp is actually £970 for an ep8.
DJI is going to have an uphill battle in terms of support. Their support for their drones is ... marginal. And it is going to be a bit more difficult to mail a bike back to a service center. I wouldn't touch a DJI bike until they sort out their support chain. Which they will do. Eventually.
"Cheap" 🤣 I paid 6000 € for my used Orbea Wild Custom Enduro. But I is worth every penny ❤ Makes me feel like i'm Steve McQueen riding in The Great Escape 😝🤣✌️
Avoid Shimano at all costs
My advice is don't go near one that is out of warranty.
Many thousands of pounds for a defective product? No thanks.
Why dont they use ceramic or stainless steel ? Oh yes, the would prefer you buy a new motor.
Ceramic are not a great bearing when in a high grit/dirt environment and they are not usually available with seals either. Stainless bearings would have to be slightly larger in size to offer the same strength, this would add a little extra weight to the motor. If you consider manufacturers are using magnesium screws to save a gram or two, so fitting heavy bearings is a real no, no, in the motor race for supremacy.
Not worth the risk unless it's a steal
If you can afford one and don't mind outdated tech...then sure.....
Shame on MBN for perpetuating the bike industry's main problem, ebikes and regular bikes costing nearly the same as a brand new hatchback.
You guys keep acting like these prices are normal, then go on to make videos like this, its all just so dumb and cringe to see.
I've seen videos of you guys saying a 3000 euro hardtail is a beginner bike...... get a grip you guys, you are so so far off the regular market that its almost starting to become silly.
Riding around on ya sponsor bikes with ya nose in the air telling the regular folks what to do and what not to do.
"checking it over to see if it's safe"
Brother please.
But in this video I'm looking into the reality of buying a cheaper 2nd hand bike, a cheaper way of people getting in to eMTB, that does not please you either? Neil
@@embn
See the problem is that everything is so overpriced from the get go, and same with all e-bikes, content creators get sent review samples to keep or sponsorship bikes left and right, meaning these people review machines that the end consumer really cannot afford.
Name me one affordable, new embt thats under 8000 euros.
Im betting if there is one it isnt even a full suspension and it might even have a coil fork on there.
Inflated prices for the motor, battery, and I would even say the frames and components.
Bafang will sell me a 350w motor for 300 euros excluding shipping, I own the 750w version and its already served me for about 12K miles needing regreasing in between and I replaced a pinion gear on the motor myself.
I can then buy a high end old 26er, slap that motor on, mount my battery in the triangle or another place, and Ill be done for about 2K if you are getting a really good second hand mountainbike to build upon.
Bosch motor, bosch battery, bosch service center, proprietary everything.
It just doesnt make sense, the whole eco system is designed to make money money money, not to provide the end user with the best product.
Its the same with regular mtbing, 3K for a hardtail with a coil fork....... Manufacturing processes have never been more streamlined yet bikes cost more than back in the late 90s early 2000s where the industry was on a come up.
Channels like yours make it seem like these prices are normal and the end consumers, us, are sick of it.
Deore groupset will run me about 300 to 400 euros!
Aliexpress special comes down to about 150 including a clutch derailleur, sure I might have to get a new 30 euro Chinese casette a lot earlier than lets say an SLX one, but Ill be laughing all the way to the ali order button knowing Im not overpaying by sometimes over more than 100 percent on something that obviously only costs that much cause it gets Shimano stamped on there.
@@embnYoure so woke even o cant sleep. Invade Panama Now...
Risky
Absolutely because of channels like this ran by fools people are lapping up ebikes that are ewaste within 24 months of coming off the production line. The only sustainable way right now is a DIY bike. Something you gues demonise because you have no clue
The answer is NO. Everyone I know who has an ebike say so. You need the warranty. The guys who have e-bikes all try to sell them at end of their warranty