BGA CPU upgrade on a low-end HP laptop (Atom to Pentium)

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  • Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
  • In this video, Josh upgrades the slow Atom CPU on a low-end HP laptop to a faster Pentium CPU.
    HP Stream 11-ak1012dx
    Old CPU: Atom X5-E8000 @1.04GHz (HD Graphics 400)
    New CPU: Pentium N3710 @1.60GHz (HD Graphics 405)
    Unfortunately I lost the Atom Geekbench link
    N3710 Geekbench Link: browser.geekbe...

Комментарии • 149

  • @Josh.Davidson
    @Josh.Davidson  2 года назад +57

    After 3 days of use, it definitely is quicker. Will extend the use of this machine by a few years I imagine before it needs replacing. Very worth the $20 I paid for the CPU.
    Update 2024: A friend has this machine now. He still uses it.

    • @Bob-ez2bz
      @Bob-ez2bz Год назад

      would it work for a intel celeron n4500

    • @Bob-ez2bz
      @Bob-ez2bz Год назад

      ASUS - 14.0" Laptop - Intel Celeron N4500 - 4GB Memory - 128GB eMMC - Star Black

    • @Josh.Davidson
      @Josh.Davidson  Год назад

      @@Bob-ez2bz Probably but you'll need a newer CPU than what I used.

  • @drboom2
    @drboom2 2 года назад +78

    We all know the common saying, never trust a man with a BGA rework machine.

    • @hs_747
      @hs_747 Год назад

      why

    • @ok-nq8mr
      @ok-nq8mr 6 месяцев назад

      i understand this statement after knowing personally who owned.that machine 😂😂

  • @user-nd7rg5er5g
    @user-nd7rg5er5g 3 месяца назад +9

    Seeing a laptop's CPU get upgraded this way was incredible, and I'm glad that things worked out! Congrats on the excellent job!

  • @cyx128
    @cyx128 2 года назад +20

    I love your tools and your way of working, very clean and safe. I'm starting to do bga soldering, but for now have 1 success and 3 broken motherboards... Im still very happy, i would like to be as good as you. Good night from Spain.

  • @addictiveconduct
    @addictiveconduct 2 года назад +16

    I watched this video (at 360p while overheating) on the exact same laptop. This is very impressive! I am very interested in doing this upgrade aswell!

    • @Josh.Davidson
      @Josh.Davidson  2 года назад +7

      Yeah, these machines do get hot. I might add more copper to counteract this. The improvement is pretty good, I can watch 1080p without issue.

    • @addictiveconduct
      @addictiveconduct 2 года назад

      @@Josh.Davidson If I could I would add a fan/heatsink. However, I'm a smoker so probably a bad idea. The whole reason I chose this laptop is because it is passively cooled. Im sure even if the Pentium did end up thermal throttling it would still be more usable than the atom. This thing can play terraria for about 30 seconds before it becomes so slow its basically unplayable. Terraria....you know...that super cpu/gpu heavy AAA game. Bahahaha.

    • @Josh.Davidson
      @Josh.Davidson  2 года назад +1

      @@addictiveconduct I haven't encountered thermal throttling on my unit, with good paste in, just the base gets quite hot. I was just going to add more copper surface area. It is only a 6W CPU.

  • @DGCastell
    @DGCastell 2 года назад +9

    props to you, soldering to this level is def one of my fears. maybe one day ill get to it.

  • @somedude1119
    @somedude1119 Год назад +15

    Considering you’ve replaced the CPU, you should consider upgrading the RAM chips. Going up to 8gb/16gb should be fairly cheap. Would love to see it!

    • @Josh.Davidson
      @Josh.Davidson  Год назад +4

      Sadly BIOS strapping not support > 4GB. I'd have to mod the BIOS - and that messes with secure boot and other things as I can't resign it, and it's just a headache :(

    • @somedude1119
      @somedude1119 Год назад +1

      @@Josh.Davidson That's an interesting point. Still, from my point of view it may be something to look into. There are plenty of resources for BIOS modding.

    • @Josh.Davidson
      @Josh.Davidson  Год назад +1

      @@somedude1119 The question is also if there are enough addressing lines on the board.

  • @lucidbarrier
    @lucidbarrier 2 года назад +14

    Nice job, I used to have an HP Stream 13 with a Celeron and it was painful to use. I installed Kubuntu Linux which helped a bit but it was limited to 2GB RAM. Yours seems to be a much snappier than mine ever was. I always like to see your BGA stuff. I really want to get a station to start trying to do reballs but I'm not really sure where to start.

    • @Josh.Davidson
      @Josh.Davidson  2 года назад +1

      Thanks. Put Pentium and 4GB and it will be faster. CPU upgrade should be inplace and RAM upgrade just requires straps change. You can see schematic for which straps to change,

  • @Swarailiaball
    @Swarailiaball 11 месяцев назад +3

    you did a very nice job replacing the cpu but something about the 50% ram usage on idle really scares me

    • @Josh.Davidson
      @Josh.Davidson  10 месяцев назад

      Hello my friend thanks.
      Please research about "Superfetch". It is a program since Vista which loads commonly used stuff into RAM for faster access. As you use RAM, it unloads stuff to make room. So do not worry, is not really 50% RAM usage, that is just Windows making stuff faster for you. :)

  • @cpoolechan
    @cpoolechan 2 года назад +5

    Insane! I had no clue this was possible!

  • @user-ju4lm8xt1z
    @user-ju4lm8xt1z 11 месяцев назад +2

    Hey Josh, the most important part of removal, prepping and soldering the the CPU only has pictures. It would be great for us ignorant electronic tech to understand how you did it and what you used. Thanks, Mark

    • @Josh.Davidson
      @Josh.Davidson  11 месяцев назад +1

      Hi,
      I am really sorry about that. I have no good way to aim the camera under the rework machine. Essentially, the only thing you are missing, is the heating element about an inch over the chip and me carefully watching and controlling the temperatures.
      The chip itself came reballed and I did not reball it. If I did, I would include footage of that. :)

  • @liptonacer
    @liptonacer 2 года назад +2

    Good Job : Josh Davidson

  • @ellenorbjornsdottir1166
    @ellenorbjornsdottir1166 Год назад +2

    Might try this with a workstation-level laptop, go from an i5 or i7 to a more desirable Xeon or even one from a later generation with the same BGA stencil (after BIOS modding!).

  • @TheModSmith
    @TheModSmith 2 года назад +1

    Impressive work, Good job!

  • @Random_98765
    @Random_98765 7 месяцев назад +1

    Got a horrible little lenovo with a similarly bad cpu, im planning on trying to do the same thing your doing here here after a bit of learning. Wish me luck

    • @Josh.Davidson
      @Josh.Davidson  7 месяцев назад +1

      Good luck friend. Pls check for compatible CPUID in your bios firstly.

  • @no-ld3hz
    @no-ld3hz 2 года назад +5

    seeing BGA stuff is always really cool, also what do you use for doing bga repairs and other stuff ?

    • @Josh.Davidson
      @Josh.Davidson  2 года назад +2

      DIY machine, rest of tools are standard stuff MG Chemicals 426LF Amtech NC-559 Kester solder 0.031 inch and Weller WES51

    • @no-ld3hz
      @no-ld3hz 2 года назад +2

      @@Josh.Davidson oh wow thats actually pretty impressive, well that gives me confidence to do a bga attempt at smth :)

  • @newyoshistudio
    @newyoshistudio 3 месяца назад +1

    This is the type of upgrades I'd like to do

  • @WohethBR
    @WohethBR 2 года назад +1

    Another great job, man!

  • @crici.k
    @crici.k 4 месяца назад +2

    Hey, did you have to update the bios to switch cpu families? I have a project laptop and have knowledge in electronics and want to try swapping the i3-6006u to an i7-8550u (it's like 30 bucks on Aliexpress anyway and i got the laptop for cheap), do you have any documentation or info that might help for addititional chips that have to be swapped or updating the bios? There's a lot of info in spanish and I've got no prob understanding it, but not much for exact models. Thanks anyways

    • @Josh.Davidson
      @Josh.Davidson  4 месяца назад +1

      No I did not need. Also, can't. Fastest CPU for your is i7-6600U or MAYBE i7-6660U (check microcodes)

  • @SummonerArthur
    @SummonerArthur 6 месяцев назад +1

    Impressive. I've always wondered if that was possible

    • @Josh.Davidson
      @Josh.Davidson  6 месяцев назад

      Thank you bro

    • @SummonerArthur
      @SummonerArthur 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@Josh.Davidson nope, thank YOU for showing me this was actually possible!

    • @Josh.Davidson
      @Josh.Davidson  6 месяцев назад

      Glad you enjoyed! I've done it a couple times now.

    • @SummonerArthur
      @SummonerArthur 5 месяцев назад

      @@Josh.Davidson cool. Have you ever tried doing that but installing GPU s where they should be on a laptop? I think you would need to flash another BIOS for that to work tho probably

    • @Josh.Davidson
      @Josh.Davidson  5 месяцев назад +1

      It can be done if the pads exist and schematics to know what parts to stuff in the locations. I haven't done it personally though.

  • @giorgio5789
    @giorgio5789 2 года назад +1

    Great job, thanks for sharing

  • @blackjoni82
    @blackjoni82 7 месяцев назад +1

    great job, i need this!

  • @askjeevescosby2928
    @askjeevescosby2928 6 месяцев назад

    Problem is when you add flux under the chip you are making it more likely to melt the solder when it heats up and bridge connections since you cant clean the flux from under the chip. It may make it easier to melt the solder to make the connections but it goes the other way as well makes it easier for the solder to melt at high operating temps. And since the tdp for the new chip is probably higher and hp skimps on cooling youll end up having higher temps.

    • @Josh.Davidson
      @Josh.Davidson  6 месяцев назад

      That's not how it works at all. Flux allows solder to flow better once reaching its melting point.
      Once cooling down past (in this case, 217C-ish), there is impossible for anything to melt/bridge even if all the flux is left there.
      I do completely clean the flux from under the chip. This is very easy to do with proper cleaning methods.
      Nobody skimps on cooling, that's just myths. There is always enough for the TDP of the chip + extra. There is only a 1W difference and this exact same laptop can be configured with a N4000 CPU which has the same TDP as this N3710. (all though the motherboard is different to support the N4000)

  • @RedOverlord
    @RedOverlord 2 года назад +1

    Being this early feels illegal

  • @truecowboy5241
    @truecowboy5241 Год назад +2

    How can I verify if it is possible to make this modification? I want to go from i3 5005u to a compatible i7? any tutorial or information Excellent video and very interesting

    • @Josh.Davidson
      @Josh.Davidson  Год назад

      You need to dump and check CPUID's from the BIOS.

    • @truecowboy5241
      @truecowboy5241 Год назад

      @@Josh.Davidson how do you do that?

  • @villbuzeep2043
    @villbuzeep2043 Год назад +1

    Do you take job orders for things like this?

  • @sbrewski27
    @sbrewski27 2 года назад +3

    Nearly double the performance! Awesome. How much was the Pentium btw.

  • @rahifmanjatha3310
    @rahifmanjatha3310 Год назад +1

    can i do this on my laptop? it currently has celeron n3060

    • @Josh.Davidson
      @Josh.Davidson  Год назад +1

      Probably, if you have a BGA machine. I'd dump the CPUID table from the BIOS and check what's there too.

  • @tanguy4235
    @tanguy4235 Год назад +1

    Awesome work !
    Could you please share the name of the music(s) starting at 1:10 ?

  • @kanrapheeratchakij804
    @kanrapheeratchakij804 4 месяца назад +1

    I wish I could do that to my own HP (the laptop cant even run 8.1)

  • @darkfalzx
    @darkfalzx Год назад +1

    So really freaking cool!
    This makes me wonder - would it be possible to replace a n270 Atom with a higher end BGA437 chip, like a 330? Would anyone take one for the team and try this?: )

    • @Josh.Davidson
      @Josh.Davidson  Год назад +1

      Probably not. Atom 330 is 8 watt. N270 is 2.5 watt. Probably would overload the power delivery. Also, seems to be a quite different design. 330 is 64 bit. N270 is 32 bit. Very big design/transistor count differences.

  • @Azurhye
    @Azurhye 9 месяцев назад +1

    Hi dude, this video inspires me to try this on old netbook that got a flop due to bad performance
    This is Netbook based on atom single-core, and this is crap... one core is bad to watch a simple video and i know this is possible to desolder a cpu to replacing by better, but in atom, the TDP is BIG.
    My actual atom is Intel atom N450 with 5.5W and i think to upgrade from N550 but he have 8.5W of TDP so, is this possible, or the laptop does not have enough power ?
    That's my question, EeePC's, Atom are very strange laptop BUT really useful because they are really really tiny

    • @Josh.Davidson
      @Josh.Davidson  9 месяцев назад +1

      You need to check the BIOS microcodes. N550 is B0 stepping not A0, but both 0106CA CPUID. It should still work.
      VREG design is always over requirement, but I'm really not sure if this machine's spec. I would be cautious. I would be more confident in N475 but the upgrade may not be worth it. Not so big performance jump.

    • @Azurhye
      @Azurhye 9 месяцев назад

      @@Josh.Davidson Maybe with a modded bios (like 771 mod when you input some instructions on "not supported hardware")

    • @Josh.Davidson
      @Josh.Davidson  9 месяцев назад +1

      @@Azurhye yes it could work with modded bios. I’d check the vreg design first.

  • @NicholasMarkovich
    @NicholasMarkovich 2 года назад +1

    Nice work, could you write a list of tools you used?

    • @Josh.Davidson
      @Josh.Davidson  2 года назад +1

      You can do with any standard BGA rework equipment. Mine is DIY.

  • @jayhill2193
    @jayhill2193 2 года назад

    Is that a true Model M in the background? If so, you have fine taste

    • @Josh.Davidson
      @Josh.Davidson  2 года назад

      KeyTronicEMS E03601 series keyboard. Best one I ever typed on.

  • @kokodin5895
    @kokodin5895 10 месяцев назад

    somehow i would like to try and polish a different turd by that method , hp stream 14 with celeron i belive from the same family n3060 or something
    how did you deal with stencil balls/ or paste? and where did cpu came from?

    • @Josh.Davidson
      @Josh.Davidson  10 месяцев назад

      Hi,
      CPU came pre-balled brand new from ALIEXPRESS with lead-free solder. I have ability to, but did not need to reball it. For reball such a chip I do not use paste I use solder balls and stencil from ALIEXPRESS.
      Do you have BGA rework machine? This is required.

    • @kokodin5895
      @kokodin5895 10 месяцев назад

      @@Josh.Davidson thanks for claryficaton
      i do not have rework sttion, all i have is hot air and soldering iron so probably it is time to buils a rework station because i was thinking more about getting 10$ cromebook motherboard and geting cpu out of it, but first i need to master making solder balls melt before substrate start smoking, for some reason i was only able to reball things with paste so far
      i did mannaged to put 2 m.2 ssd's on a stream laptop with no ssd slots onboard withut using wifi socket though so maybe i do need to learn more tricks and stop just hacking tings :]
      have a nice day and thanks for atention

    • @Josh.Davidson
      @Josh.Davidson  10 месяцев назад

      Yeah you will need rework station to do this sorry.

  • @mapperid
    @mapperid Год назад

    Hey a quick question here. So I found out my laptop is core i7 7700HQ which has a socket FCBGA1440. I am wondering, if I replace my CPU with i7 10850 which has similar socket to 7th gen, will it work like you do?

  • @robertjung8929
    @robertjung8929 Год назад

    did you have to clear the ME region of the bios after the CPU swap ?

    • @Josh.Davidson
      @Josh.Davidson  Год назад +1

      No - it was something I considered having to do but it worked without doing it.

  • @NextGaming100
    @NextGaming100 8 месяцев назад +1

    Hi Josh. i have a thinkpad laptop E450 which is a processor of i3 processor 5005u. I want to replace it to i7. My laptop is BGA and I want to replace it. Can u tell me Possible i7 To replace with my i3 processor.

  • @LuisAlbertoLopez-pq5um
    @LuisAlbertoLopez-pq5um 2 месяца назад

    Can you name 3 or 4 brands and models of old laptops that have a PGA socket?

  • @therealholyromanempire1438
    @therealholyromanempire1438 Год назад

    Did you need to do a bios update or anything relating to that

  • @technicaltacticts4380
    @technicaltacticts4380 11 месяцев назад

    Sir is it possible to change the core i5 3337U to core i7 3940XM ? My laptop is Dell Latitude 3330 which has the variant core i3 and core i5... Chipset is HM77...

    • @Josh.Davidson
      @Josh.Davidson  10 месяцев назад +1

      No sorry fastest CPU Core i7-3667U.

  • @natas74d7
    @natas74d7 10 месяцев назад +1

    i wanna be able to do this ;-;

  • @nothingtodo5987
    @nothingtodo5987 Год назад

    what about bios? can it run with original bios or must be modded?

  • @rey_c10
    @rey_c10 Год назад +1

    tengo un celeron n3060 he investigado y creo que el pentium n3710 lo remplazaría muy bien

  • @Pankaj-ki3zy
    @Pankaj-ki3zy Месяц назад

    Hi , I also wanted to get my Laptop with Pentium N3710 with a more powerful processor. Is that possible??

    • @Josh.Davidson
      @Josh.Davidson  27 дней назад

      This is the fastest chip on this socket.

  • @henriquehff
    @henriquehff 10 месяцев назад

    I have an old n2820 laptop, I`ve always wanted to change the cpu, but I don't have the bga machine, one time I soldered a ps3 wifi chip (also bga) with 2 soldering stations (one above and one below the board), I don't think this will work for the laptop CPU, to make matters worse, I'm actually using this laptop nowadays

    • @henriquehff
      @henriquehff 10 месяцев назад

      did you had to add any microcodes to the bios? I know that it's possible to use some 8-9gen laptop BGA-adapted cpu's in 6-7gen intel desktop motherboards, but it requires to add the cpu microcodes into the bios, but with the laptop cpu both are on the same generation, so it's compatible with all cpu models of the same gen?

    • @Josh.Davidson
      @Josh.Davidson  9 месяцев назад +1

      This will not work. PS3 Wifi board not count as BGA, it's psuedo BGA maybe... Besides unlike small BGA chips these processors are very fragile, with numerous hundreds of balls, and any slight mishandling of heat will cause the chip to be damaged. BGA machine is required.
      Also it depend what you want. I did not need microcode change for this swap.
      I think the fastest CPU you can use is N3520. It is the fastest chip with same CPUID microcodes. You can extract from your BIOS and if it supports another microcodes it might be possible to put N3540.

  • @dennisfernando1495
    @dennisfernando1495 Месяц назад

    Podría actualizar una i7 4710HQ - 47 Watss a una i7 4722HQ - 37 Watts . Necesitaría modificar la BIOS? Es una laptop TOSHIBA.

    • @Josh.Davidson
      @Josh.Davidson  Месяц назад

      Amigo, te sugiero que uses Core i7-4720HQ, es más rápido con el mismo TDP. Debería estar bien, pero no puedo confirmarlo al 100%.

  • @kenkanki9
    @kenkanki9 10 месяцев назад

    I would like to know can we put a CPU slot so I can just keep changing the CPU without soldering each time like desktops

    • @Josh.Davidson
      @Josh.Davidson  10 месяцев назад

      Not fit in laptops.

    • @kenkanki9
      @kenkanki9 10 месяцев назад

      @@Josh.Davidson I figured even the small ones in other laptops??

    • @Josh.Davidson
      @Josh.Davidson  10 месяцев назад +1

      If the laptop is not designed to have socket, there will be no room. Laptops are designed to be as thin and small as possible.

  • @nitin007-zh3cz
    @nitin007-zh3cz 2 месяца назад

    Hello sir i have dell vostro 3480 and it is 14 3000 series with i5 8gen u processor , how much can i upgrade it?

  • @tjaytony
    @tjaytony 7 месяцев назад

    Which digital microscope are u using?

    • @Josh.Davidson
      @Josh.Davidson  7 месяцев назад

      Don’t know the model it’s a pretty cheap one but sufficient for my needs.

    • @tjaytony
      @tjaytony 7 месяцев назад

      I'd appreciate if u could figure out the model, I'm looking to buy a microscope that is quite affordable. I would appreciate if u could point me in the right. Tnx direction

  • @walter_b1ack
    @walter_b1ack Год назад

    Hi man, is there any chance i can upgrade my i3 6006u in Lenovo IdeaPad 320. It's a bga cpu too.

  • @farryali8265
    @farryali8265 7 месяцев назад

    Hello can i upgrade bga processor intel celeron n3350 to n4200 with reball process ?

    • @Josh.Davidson
      @Josh.Davidson  7 месяцев назад

      I think so, but I don't know the CPUID so double check that in your BIOS.

  • @fauzitanjung8445
    @fauzitanjung8445 8 месяцев назад

    can u upgrade i5 7200u to i7 gen 8, the socket still same

  • @CS-IT
    @CS-IT 2 года назад

    Hi sir i have a BGA core i3 processor and i just wonna know is upgradation safe in my laptop

    • @Josh.Davidson
      @Josh.Davidson  2 года назад

      I can't tell you, because I don't know. You need to check microcodes in your BIOS.

  • @habpar6531
    @habpar6531 5 месяцев назад

    How much would a job like this cost?

    • @Josh.Davidson
      @Josh.Davidson  5 месяцев назад

      More than this laptop was worth haha. But since I own the rework machine and am trained in using it, I did it basically for fun.

  • @pyrobit7852
    @pyrobit7852 9 месяцев назад

    How much exchangue bga 1170 n3050 upgrade ?

    • @Josh.Davidson
      @Josh.Davidson  9 месяцев назад

      $150USD + shipping. Not an easy job.
      All this assuming that can check BIOS microcode for compatible CPU.

  • @georgevel
    @georgevel 2 года назад

    U should add 4 gigs of ram on it too for dirt cheap

  • @Alamir9116
    @Alamir9116 10 месяцев назад

    Laptop still works?

  • @rkan2
    @rkan2 2 года назад

    Could you put have put in a core mX chip? :P

    • @Josh.Davidson
      @Josh.Davidson  2 года назад

      No. I showed the supported list at the beginning somewhere, this is the fastest chip on this socket.

  • @moustafagomaa9460
    @moustafagomaa9460 Год назад

    what is the glue type

  • @annonymousghostdetector8425
    @annonymousghostdetector8425 Год назад

    wow so in this way i can replace intel atom 6th generation cpu with 6th i7or xeon wow

  • @josephmarshall424
    @josephmarshall424 2 года назад

    more ram might fix your woes lmfao. swapped the bga chip but you still have 4gb of ram. don't get it..

    • @Josh.Davidson
      @Josh.Davidson  2 года назад +3

      Why do I need more RAM? The cause of the slow was the CPU. Its been much quicker since doing this. It doesn't even use over 3 under any of the things I use this for (VLC, browser)
      For more RAM I'd probably have to patch the BIOS image. From what I can tell there are only straps for 2 and 4 - unless it was added on this revision, my schematic is the last revision - but in that case it would be trial and error... not feasible.

  • @danielsatko-
    @danielsatko- 2 года назад +2

    this job cost more than triple the price of laptop and u still have crap

    • @Josh.Davidson
      @Josh.Davidson  2 года назад +11

      I paid $20 for the CPU new from China. I already own the BGA machine and have skills to use it. I clearly explained this is MY laptop. Of course it is silly to pay BGA rework job on such a cheap machine, but this one is mine, so it didn't cost me anything for the rework!
      Seems you might not be serious.

    • @madmodders8892
      @madmodders8892 2 года назад +7

      i believe was not to make profit it was to learn and expand he's skills and test possibilities

    • @MultiKokonutz
      @MultiKokonutz 2 года назад +5

      If you can do it, why not?
      Worst case, you kill a very low end laptop, so not much of value lost
      Best case, you get a nice performance boost and feel proud of yourself

  • @techtriggr
    @techtriggr 2 года назад

    please use a different mic when you screen record. and don't timelapse what you do for too long it will kill the overall audience retention. Overall it is a great video and definitely required you a lot of effort.Ḍ

    • @Josh.Davidson
      @Josh.Davidson  2 года назад

      Thanks but the goal here is not to make professional videos, but more to share the project.

  • @Pizza_Gamer_Guy
    @Pizza_Gamer_Guy 10 месяцев назад

    I have a celeron n3350 can I upgrade to pentium j4205

    • @Josh.Davidson
      @Josh.Davidson  10 месяцев назад

      I think the fastest CPU for you will be N3450 or maybe N4200. Cannot change N series to J series sorry.