If you look on the quilt for the fast box you have. There is a little clip and loop up from the foot box. If you hook those 2 together you wont get that draft you had. But it does make getting your feet out a little bit trickier. I have 2 of their quilts. I got the synthetic 25 degree with fast foot box and the 10 degree down with the convertible foot box. I purchased the synthetic insulated sheet and the light sheet. The insulated sheet feels awesome while the light sheet is slippery like silk but doesn't feel like silk. I love both of these quilts. I'm very excited to see they are bringing out an insulated light sheet.
@@jacynthebouchard3109 Both the convertible and fast footbox on Zenbivy quilts all are the same size. Both footboxes fit exactly alike in mummy mode and wide mode; the convertible also expands into flat mode.
I spent 5.5months attempting a thru-hike of the AT last year…and the 10 degree Zenbivy light bed with the convertible foot box was with me the whole way :) Cowboy camped with it, got it covered in dirt, and had a few unfortunate encounters with water getting into the stuff sack, but it NEVER let me down. MASSIVE thanks to Dan for turning me on to this sleep system in his comparison video (Zenbivy light Bed vs. Big Agnes Lone Ranger). Can’t express how much choosing this system helped me to recover each night after hiking for 8-12 hours a day for weeks on end :)
I have a ZenBivy LOVE IT! I am a cold sleeper and I stay warm. It is a 30 degree setup with the full sheet. Always leave the quilt attached to the sheet. Makes setting up faster.
The Zenbivy light sleep system (sheet, quilt and pillow) inside a Haven hammock is my new preferred system. I used it many times last year and experienced my best sleeps ever while backpacking!
I have two. I have a 25 and a 10 both light quilts and 2 sheets, one is the 10degree core sheet that’s 30in wide for car camping, and the full length 10deg light 25in wide. Being able to mix and match depending on what I’m doing is incredible. The new light sheet is only half length, if you want the full length light get it now before the sell out. Love these quilts they’re a game changer
I've been using a budget Frankenstein version of the zenbivy. My pad is the REI Helix large wide, the sheet is the Alton goods fitted sheet, the quilt is the Featherstone moondance 25, and the pillow is the wise owl medium pillow. I don't wake up, I don't feel sticky and I've taken this setup down to the thirties with 80% humidity. This is the best sleep system I've ever had and works even better on a naturehike cot.
Thanks Dan@! On our first outing with our ZenBivy Core beds, I experienced a problem... I wore my convertible shorts, which have belt loops, to bed (no belt). I tend to roll around at night and it was unseasonably warm in early Oct. 2023 in Dan's favorite Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore, so the quilt was not attached to the sheet. On at least two occasions, these belt loops caught on the hooks on the sheet in the middle of the night; two hooks broke. ZenBivy repaired the hooks for free and shipped it back to me at their cost; I appreciated this, and wasn't expecting it. And no, I likely didn't read the instructions completely so if there is mention about wearing things to bed that can get caught on the hooks, I missed it. Be forewarned, don't wear anything to bed that would catch the hooks. Peace.
Been using my zenbivy for the last 5 years while camping with my sons scout troop including a trek to Philmont and boundary waters. Love it. Very versatile to different situations. The sheet with hood and zip on quilt are all key to that versatility.
I bought the Therma Rest pillow because of your recommendation, I don’t just take it camping, it goes with me EVERYWHERE…including the hospital, love that pillow!!
@@tiffanynichol7765 do it! It is not a firm high pillow, it is squishy and does not cause neck kinks…I pack a pillow case too just to make it really feel like home😂😂
Another great video presentation, Dan, but nope, nope, nope! $1,000?! Yeow! I sleep like a rock in my Browning -10* bag, which is plenty wide at the top and comfortably tapered at the foot. No, it is not for backpacking, but what I use it for, it is perfect. Thanks for all of your great videos, Dan! Thanks to Emmit, too!
Hi... I have a question please. If you were buying the Zenbivy kit today, would you pair the Light Bed with their own sleeping mat or would you pair it with an alternative (and if so, which one?). Thanks.
I have both the Light clipped and the Zen zippered 25° systems paired with the Big Ag Rapide pad, and I am 1000% satisfied with them. I doubt I'll be shelling out for that ultralight system though, its just too much money. Zenbivy has a great setup, there's no doubt about that. The day I got my first Zenbivy, I returned my Nemo Disco sleeping bag to REI. I'm sold on the Zenbivy system now. My upgrades will be a 10° quilt and the 30" universal sheet to use with the pad in my Haven Tent hammock.
Thanks Dan. Hope you are doing well. I got a Zen sleep system last year and its the most comfortable system I ever used. Core Quilt Synth 25, Uninsulated Sheet, I got some sort of 2" Hex Pad with reflective tech inside. Slept down to 25 deg, and up to 72 deg ...no problem. Most comfortable and convenient camping sleep gear ever.
My daughter rolls around when she sleeps. This sleep system is fantastic at keeping her contained ontop of her pad and inside of the bag. She sleeps exponentially better with her ZENBIVY setup compared to her old one.
I bought a Zenbivy set up several years ago before they went to the "light" model. I absolutely love it. A friend borrowed it for a weekend trip and liked it so much she bought one. All of their beds have the advantage that you're not sleeping directly on your mattress -- I find that much more comfortable. I sleep in a hammock on 90% of my hikes, and I like that I can take just the quilt & leave the sheet/hood at home. If I needed a new set up, I'd buy either the light or UL. I've had such a good experience with my gear and with Zenbivy's customer service that I believe it'd be money well spent. But I also expect my current Zenbivy quilt to last a few more decades, and in a few more decades I likely won't be hiking anymore.
Feels like Emmit had a great time editing this one, and I'm all here for it. Great review Dan, and I'm glad you were able to return to the Grand Canyone and show it who's boss!
I bought the 10 degree light bag + sheet and got to use it for the first time a few weeks ago. I’m a cold sleeper and temps dipped to about 28 and I was toasty warm. Paired with a BA Rapide, I’ve never slept better. I don’t think I can justify the cost to upgrade to the ultralight unless it was discounted. I also like the full length sheet - it stays put better than a half sheet. And, you couldn’t pry my Thermorest pillow out of my hands. I’ll never be an UL hiker with this stuff but it sure is comfortable.
I bought a small, lightweight zip-up pillowcase for my Zillow Pillow. Not because it feels better, but because I can just wash the pillow case instead of the pillow. Something like that for the Zenbivy pillow might help with the feel as well. And you can just cut holes for the connection points.
Over the years I have already arrived at the sleep system I prefer and am making every effort to resist the dreaded GAS. I have a Sierra Designs Cloud 35 and a Exped down-filled sleeping pad. It is a poor mans ZenSpiffy. Thanks for the video Dan.
I avoided Zenbivy products before because of the weight, but this has me really excited! At only 3oz for the sheet it's not hard to justify bringing it.
Just got the double zenbivy to use with my husband. Will invest in this in the future if needed but we are happy with zenbivy!! Wish they resotcked their sheets sooner and have an option for use with extra large pads for car camping too like the expeds. Excited to see the new pillows that attach to the sheet. They are so innovative and I eventually went with them over EE
That is nice how nothing falls off the pad....when sleeping on the side of a mountain I start normal but wake up in a ball at the low end of the tent hahaha
I love my ZenBivey 25 degree lite bed for the warmer Sierra Nevada summers. It took me a bit to figure out the straps/closures, but then I also learned to keep everything attached. It’s comfy and works well for me.
I've one of the original style Zenbivy beds from a couple years ago and have to say, while it is expensive, it's so worth it for comfort. It's really bulky though, a lot like how old my MOLLIE military sleep bag, but weighs a whole lot less. I don't backpack, but car camp instead, so having this level of comfort at hand is worth it.
I got the core synthetic quilt, sheet and pillow for christmas. Doesnt pack down as small, but it's fantastic for me. Used it the first time on the weekend. Only complaint is that i need more pillows, but thats a problem due to my shoulder width, not the pillow itself.
For anyone curious and wanting another actual review, I’ve used this setup a handful of times except I paired it with a big Agnes rapide sl pad instead of the zinbivy pad. This setup is great if you move around in bed a lot at night and get too hot or too cold easily. I’ve used it as low as 25° and as warm as around 80° and slept comfortably in it. Being able to seal it up to be more of a “bag” really helps in colder weather and being able to unseal it is great for warmer weather. Being able to stick your feet or legs out if you need to stretch is also helpful. It isn’t cheap but if you can’t seem to get comfortable in closed off bags then it’s 100% worth the price
Hey Dan, thanks for the vid!! I would have loved to see what the packed product looks like and maybe compared against other packed down sleep systems. I wonder about "the tetris of it all" and am always interested in how much space (volume) products like these occupy in the pack.
I have the 25° light bed and it fits inside the 7L dry bag and then compresses down super well...I'd say maybe 6"diameter and 6" tall. The UL is supposed to fit in the same size dry bag, so should be similar.
Saw this on the website a week ago and thought of saving for the 10 degree because on the website it says $409 for the quilt, not $659. I was willing to pay the 409 for the 10 degree, but not over 600. Might as well get the old version which is on clearance sale on their site right now, $231.59 for the 10 degree light 2023 version. Already have a sheet.
Yeah I'm hoping his prices he showed in this video are inaccurate. I bought the light 25 and then the next day saw their add for the coming soon ultralight. Returned the one I bought to wait for the ultralight one but that was with the price labeled as 409 on their website. Idk if I will be willing to pay nearly a grand for the whole setup and 650 for a quilt is steeeep!!!!!!!
I decided to try this out. Full on Ultralight 10 degree Quilt, Large ZenBivy Pillow, Flex-air mattress, Insulated 10 degreen insulated sheet and wow. It got to 27degrees and I slept really good. I can’t believe I spent $1K on that system but I can tell already best money spent. My only challenge is using the Flextail Zero isn’t cutting with inflating the Flexair Matress.
Hae you tested the old Flextail pump vs the new one? IIRC the old one, while a bit bulkier, was also a bit more piwerful. That might make the difference between needing to add a few breaths to the pad or being able to get it fully inflated with just the pump.
Hi Dan, No, we still haven't forgotten your last video. We're coming for you. Better sleep on that Zen Bivy with one eye open. Sage Green rules! Sincerely, The Durston Cult
I’ve ordered a zenbivy core bed from their europe site and it literally took them almost 2 months to deliver. I had the worst experience with them. BUT is the most amazing thing to have on a camping trip!
I bought the 2020 version in Ul xl- I’d say it’s magic. I even swap in ugq 40 quilt in summer - but keep the sheet & the pad. Can’t recommend enough. I did buy on the summer promo price, so it was 300 for everything.
Looks cool. I have a similar sleep system made by Ukrainian company Rock Front. The difference is that the sheet has a zipper on it, so the entire quilt stays on top of the pad and is fully attached to it with no holes. You may want to check it out.
I currently have the Zenbivy 10 degree light sleep system - LOVE IT! I use it with Big Agnus Q pad since I like the thickness of it but would like something lighter. Wondering if they made this new ultra light pad to work with any of their sleep systems.
Just got the 25 degree light convertible quilt with the light un insulated sheet. Imo the price for the ultralight version is too high to save 5oz. After the first night though, I love this system. I didn’t know I could be so comfortable sleeping outside.
I’d be interested to see if this is any better than the Big Agnes Diamond/Echo Park sleep systems. They have zippers instead of clips, which I think Dan said he would prefer in a previous review of the ZenBivy. That already has the sheet that is like a fitted sheet around your sleeping pad.
1) Cost will be a huge barrier to entry 2) System looks like it will take up a ton of space in a pack, too big for UL? Awesome to see them move towards lighter systems.
I dont see it taking up much more space than a similar sleeping bag the sheet part is so small and thin and the hood part is basically the same as any other sleeping bag maybe just a tad bit wider but its 900 fill down so it should pack fairly small.
Initial thoughts: 1) Too complicated 2) Doesn’t come in shorter lengths. As a shorter (female) person I find the standard sizes of most pads force me to unnecessarily carry extra weight and waste my tent space. More 60 to 66” sizes would be nice. Like your channel, Dan!
I have a genuine question about hiking quilts. Does anyone else feel that they are just trying to reinvent the wheel by trying to make it as close as possible to a sleeping bag without being able to call it a sleeping bag? By the time you add the retaining straps, the foot box, the draft shields at the sides, the hood, the under sheet, and all the other design details that separate it from being just a thick insulated flat sheet (comforter/duvet), haven't you just basically made 90% of a sleeping bag? 🤷🏻♂️ the only difference I can see is that you lay directly on your sleeping pad compared to a sleeping bag base between you and the pad. I'm 47, I've been camping since I was a kid and genuinely don't see what's wrong with sleeping bags that needs fixed by adding all the extra complexity, straps, pieces and hassle to assemble modern quilt systems 🤷🏻♂️ apart from the obvious argument someone will make of "But it's 57 grams lighter!" 🤣 It just seems like it's 7/8's of a sleeping bag with assembly required
The quilts that everyone uses were originally for hammock campers. The reason for them being open in the bottom like they are is because it's very difficult to get into a regular sleeping bag when you're in the hammock. Since you should be using a bottom quilt under the hammock for insulation, you don't need a fully enclosed sleeping bag. The ground dwellers at some point started using top quilts to drop some weight. Plus, when you're laying in a sleeping bag, you crush the insulation under you, and it becomes useless for keeping you warm. That is why you use a sleeping pad or mat.
@@MastaSquidge Doesn't seem like a massive difference 🤷🏻♂️ I've had bags over the years that have done both: stayed with you as you roll over (which is my preference and I love my Deuter Exosphere bags for that reason) or stayed in place for you to spin inside it (which can be aided by some sleeping pads which have sticky traction decals on them to stop your bag sliding, the Vango Trek 3 pad I had before I upgraded to a Thermarest). If it works for you then awesome 👍🏻 I'm not convinced enough to drop the cash required to try that kind of system out in case I don't get on with it. If Zenbivy want their products tested in the Scottish Highlands I'll happily take a demo setup for a couple of weeks though 🤣
@@bumblebeehikes "ground dwellers" 🤣 I don't see the difference 🤷🏻♂️ crushing the insulation you lay on means you get no insulation Vs not having any quilt under you so you don't get any insulation anyway. You're always using a sleeping pad either way so there's no difference 🤷🏻♂️ unless you're one of those masochists who doesn't use any pad or mattress and just beats the ground into submission 🤣
@CraigTL76 I totally agree with you sir. I've been thinking on getting a quilt for long, because i see the potential in them to sleep unrestricted, just like in bed at home. But the moment you start adding straps, clips, hoods etc... They just become a complex sleeping bag.
Honestly, it looks like a no-go for me. I've been thinking about quilts for long time because i'm a big guy and i always feel restricted on sleeping bags. But this one, looks like it will still make you feel restricted with those attachments/straps. Also, price it's out of charts, specially if you consider adding shipping cost out of USA.
Nope, you won’t feel restricted. In quilts I always size up anyway. You don’t have to clip in at all, but most people start clipped in on one side then gradually clip into the other side throughout the night to add warmth. I have two UL quilts by the major competitor and I can tell you, this is the better product.
I have the ZenBivy Light 25 and it's very comfortable. Probably won't upgrade to the ultralight due to price but maybe worth it for those who backpack a lot and want the comfort and the ultralight weight.
How’s the half sheet working out? Do you feel like it rides up on the pad to where you are forced to constantly have to pull it back down? Do you think the full sheet would be better if you were using this in a bivy/ul tent and keeping the whole system installed when packing up each day where you just deflate and re inflate your pad each night? I don’t repack each item in its stuff sack each night I just stuff it all together into my pack, so speed and convenience is key. The weight difference between the two sheets is negligible in my opinion.
Is the sheet and quilt system compatible with a variety of different sleeping pad and sizes? How would it work with the big Agnes Rapid or other rectangular pads?
Ditto Exped down mat UL7 wide. It’s the thickest backpacking mat on the market. Many people comment that they are Rapide users. My feeling is, any pad will work, just take care to order the correct width.
Why have I never seen any review, anywhere, that shows the system as you would pack it. Every reviewer shows the system already out. Would like to get an idea how big it would be in my pack... ..
Well, if money weight and compressibility are no option, then you are left with two things to consider. One, do you prefer the fabric in the Core Bed sheet. And two, what feeling do you prefer in your quilts? I own two quilts by the major competitor with DFP above 900 and 7D fabric. Personally, I love a cloud like bed and the new Ultralight will be getting me closer to that experience with added features that surpass the competitor’s. But some people worry about fragile fabrics and prefer beefier materials draping them when they sleep. Maybe think about those things when you compare?
so i want to start traveling living outdoors spending the couple thousand i save to get my bug out bag ready...so, i went on the site and everythings individual and its my 1st time purchasing a outside bed i click the 10 degree cause i want the lowest so i comfortable and the ultra light is awesome but i just do the light with the extra 11 ounces to save a couple hundred but everything in the video you showed i want to buy but you got to click everything individual i thought you just click the color size and light and boom 800 or whatever it comes to but it isnt easy for me cause its not like that so,please everything you showed can you list the names and size that will make it the whole set? thank you im new
If I could afford it I would but for now I would go with the cheaper head portion. I would use a different air pad. If I used their pillow I would bring a cotton or silk pillow case to put everything together and leave their red pillow case back at the house. You can carry two cheap light weight air pads and stack them together so they don't move and get great R-value plus a very cushion mattress. You could also carry a large long pillow case and put your air mattress(s) into it to get a home style comfort sleep.
Love my zenbivvy beds, its like a quilt but with extra snuggles 😂. Love the look of the insulated light sheet. I can see my wallet taking a deep breath and bracing for the hit.
I love the design of the brand and will probably be trying their stuff at some point but the price point is something I'll have to save for unless I just piece it together over time or get lucky with a sale or combo deal.
I’m assuming temperatures aren’t going to be very cold since it’s summer. My advice is: 1. Get one or two pairs of hiking socks. Either a wool blend or synthetic. Hiking socks cost $15-20 per pair. It may seem like a lot if you are used to buying athletic socks, but they will do more to help avoid blisters than your shoes. If you get 2 pairs you can wear one and swap if one pair get wet, while you hang the wet pair on your pack to dry. 2. Wear a comfortable pair of sneakers you already own. 3. If you have to replace your sneakers between now and your trip, consider a pair of trail runners. They are sneakers with a more boot like tread. If this is your only backpacking trip, they will work as everyday shoes outside your trip. Whatever brand fits comfortably is the best for you. An outfitter, or running store can help you select a good pair. 4. Boots aren’t necessary for one backpacking trip, especially if cold temps aren’t an issue. If you get boots, get a pair that’s fairly light weight and comfortable. Get them well ahead and wear them a bunch before your trip. Most boots are stiffer than sneakers, and require a little break in time to avoid blisters.
I just bought very similar "sleeping system" from 30€ inflatable mat + 30€ sleeping bag. Aroung 1000g in total. +5C comfort. I think its very similar and low cost. :)
I want to like the Zenbivy sleep system, but it seems like you need a PhD to correctly assemble it each evening. Seems like the simplicity of a nice warm bag and sleep pad are the easy button for hassle free nights on the trail.
I disagree. There is very little hassle. Do you know how to zip your jacket and fix the Velcro tabs at the wrist? The elevation in sleep quality is HUGE with this system. . People need to understand this.
I would say that Zen Bivy has really spent a lot of time and energy making this thing work. They seem to have solved every problem and complaint there is with traditional quilts. However there is way too much clips and loops, and gadgets and $$$$$$$$$$. Oh my. Love my Cloud 20
I like my Cloud 20 too but there is a huge difference in livability with the ZB Light Sheet. Also the SD aesthetics are total crap. I cannot stand looking at my Cloud 20. Been in this game a long long time. Aesthetics matter in everything. ZB is handsome kit. I feel like I’m in Scout Camp in my Cloud 20. Not pleasant.
@SuzanneStroh are you saying my Cloud 20 is ugly? I would have to agree. But I don't care too much what it looks like. It's too heavy for sure. I just sleep good in it.
It’s been in use by a major competitor for over a decade. Very smart inflation system. I don’t recommend blowing into it. Fluff it to gather air then roll and press into the mattress.
i have the 40 degree quilt and i plan on getting a 10 degree quilt as well but i cant tell what the drffrence is ith the new ultra light and the older light bed. anything helps, thanks!
The 2024 fast footbox models (all of them!) are 6 inches shorter than the 2023 Fast Footbox models. 2023 was the first year for the Fast Footbox and they simply took the convertible quilt and added a bottom panel. This resulted in a quilt that was longer than the convertible once the convertible's footbox was cinched. To make their sizing consistent, they cut 6 inches off all fast footbox models. This is a shock if bought the ultralight which was launched as being 86 inches long and expected it to be that long. They've updated their online specifications now to reflect the loss of length on the fast footbox models.
Any love for camping gear/ equipment reviews for us living in the tropics? I love the equipment reviews but it's mostly for cold climate condition. Eg sleeping pad for example. Any alternatives for warmer climate?
Hmmmm.......I have/use/love the previous version of the Light Quilt/Sheet. I'm not sure I "get" what the MAJOR upgrade really is, and I certainly don't get how it be worth more than double the price. Yes, it's lighter, but not by all that much. I do like the looks of the new clips, which seem to be an improvement I'd like, that's nice. The fact that the sheet is now a "half sheet" does mean that there'd be that (potential) draft around my hips area....not a big deal for the 25deg.system, but for the temps I'd be using the 10deg. system in, I don't like that. Given that I have no plans/desire to give up the system I've currently got, and that this supposedly MAJOR upgrade looks pretty "meh" to me, especially for the price, I think I'll pass. The pillow "system" looks pretty interesting. I do like the idea of it. Again though, not in the market at this time......for "ultralight" excursions I'm perfectly happy with my Outdoor Vitals Ultralight (an excellent piece of kit which doesn't get near enough accolades and drooling praise from all these RUclips "influencers" imo), and for other trips I really like my Nemo Fillo.
I have a 10 degree light bed and was excited to see if I could cut down some weight and bulk with this but doubt I'll pull the trigger after realizing the weight savings is only like 7 oz lol
They probably wouldn't get enough light to glow for any significant amount of time after dark, as you would be taking it out of your pack and putting it into your shelter.
Well, I have about 20 nights this winter in my LightBed and I found the full size sheet a tad staticky. Plus the fabric on my pad is wonderful-more comfortable than ZB. I’m looking forward to the half sheet.
If you look on the quilt for the fast box you have. There is a little clip and loop up from the foot box. If you hook those 2 together you wont get that draft you had. But it does make getting your feet out a little bit trickier.
I have 2 of their quilts. I got the synthetic 25 degree with fast foot box and the 10 degree down with the convertible foot box. I purchased the synthetic insulated sheet and the light sheet. The insulated sheet feels awesome while the light sheet is slippery like silk but doesn't feel like silk. I love both of these quilts. I'm very excited to see they are bringing out an insulated light sheet.
Do you know if the foot box is the same size on the fast foot box and convertible versions ?
@@jacynthebouchard3109 Both the convertible and fast footbox on Zenbivy quilts all are the same size. Both footboxes fit exactly alike in mummy mode and wide mode; the convertible also expands into flat mode.
I spent 5.5months attempting a thru-hike of the AT last year…and the 10 degree Zenbivy light bed with the convertible foot box was with me the whole way :) Cowboy camped with it, got it covered in dirt, and had a few unfortunate encounters with water getting into the stuff sack, but it NEVER let me down. MASSIVE thanks to Dan for turning me on to this sleep system in his comparison video (Zenbivy light Bed vs. Big Agnes Lone Ranger). Can’t express how much choosing this system helped me to recover each night after hiking for 8-12 hours a day for weeks on end :)
I have a ZenBivy LOVE IT! I am a cold sleeper and I stay warm. It is a 30 degree setup with the full sheet. Always leave the quilt attached to the sheet. Makes setting up faster.
The Zenbivy light sleep system (sheet, quilt and pillow) inside a Haven hammock is my new preferred system. I used it many times last year and experienced my best sleeps ever while backpacking!
I have two. I have a 25 and a 10 both light quilts and 2 sheets, one is the 10degree core sheet that’s 30in wide for car camping, and the full length 10deg light 25in wide. Being able to mix and match depending on what I’m doing is incredible.
The new light sheet is only half length, if you want the full length light get it now before the sell out. Love these quilts they’re a game changer
I've been using a budget Frankenstein version of the zenbivy.
My pad is the REI Helix large wide, the sheet is the Alton goods fitted sheet, the quilt is the Featherstone moondance 25, and the pillow is the wise owl medium pillow. I don't wake up, I don't feel sticky and I've taken this setup down to the thirties with 80% humidity. This is the best sleep system I've ever had and works even better on a naturehike cot.
Nice!
Have the same pad. Love the helix
Thanks Dan@!
On our first outing with our ZenBivy Core beds, I experienced a problem... I wore my convertible shorts, which have belt loops, to bed (no belt). I tend to roll around at night and it was unseasonably warm in early Oct. 2023 in Dan's favorite Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore, so the quilt was not attached to the sheet. On at least two occasions, these belt loops caught on the hooks on the sheet in the middle of the night; two hooks broke. ZenBivy repaired the hooks for free and shipped it back to me at their cost; I appreciated this, and wasn't expecting it. And no, I likely didn't read the instructions completely so if there is mention about wearing things to bed that can get caught on the hooks, I missed it. Be forewarned, don't wear anything to bed that would catch the hooks. Peace.
I've never slept well in a sleeping bag and recently bought a 10 degree Zenbivy with zippers. It's fantastic. No going back.
The Zenbivy Light & the Big Agnes Rapide SL are SUCH A PLEASURE!
Thanks for this! I want to purchase the ZB UL and use it with my Rapide!
I also want to buy that combination. Does the Zenbivy light fit well around the Big Agnes Rapids SL? Because it is thicker than most of the pads
Been using my zenbivy for the last 5 years while camping with my sons scout troop including a trek to Philmont and boundary waters. Love it. Very versatile to different situations. The sheet with hood and zip on quilt are all key to that versatility.
I bought the Therma Rest pillow because of your recommendation, I don’t just take it camping, it goes with me EVERYWHERE…including the hospital, love that pillow!!
Hmm. Now I want one just to pack in my hospital bag for this upcoming labor. Those pillows are terrible.
@@tiffanynichol7765 do it! It is not a firm high pillow, it is squishy and does not cause neck kinks…I pack a pillow case too just to make it really feel like home😂😂
Another great video presentation, Dan, but nope, nope, nope! $1,000?! Yeow!
I sleep like a rock in my Browning -10* bag, which is plenty wide at the top and comfortably tapered at the foot. No, it is not for backpacking, but what I use it for, it is perfect.
Thanks for all of your great videos, Dan! Thanks to Emmit, too!
Hi...
I have a question please.
If you were buying the Zenbivy kit today, would you pair the Light Bed with their own sleeping mat or would you pair it with an alternative (and if so, which one?).
Thanks.
I have both the Light clipped and the Zen zippered 25° systems paired with the Big Ag Rapide pad, and I am 1000% satisfied with them. I doubt I'll be shelling out for that ultralight system though, its just too much money. Zenbivy has a great setup, there's no doubt about that. The day I got my first Zenbivy, I returned my Nemo Disco sleeping bag to REI. I'm sold on the Zenbivy system now. My upgrades will be a 10° quilt and the 30" universal sheet to use with the pad in my Haven Tent hammock.
Thanks Dan. Hope you are doing well. I got a Zen sleep system last year and its the most comfortable system I ever used. Core Quilt Synth 25, Uninsulated Sheet, I got some sort of 2" Hex Pad with reflective tech inside. Slept down to 25 deg, and up to 72 deg ...no problem. Most comfortable and convenient camping sleep gear ever.
My daughter rolls around when she sleeps. This sleep system is fantastic at keeping her contained ontop of her pad and inside of the bag. She sleeps exponentially better with her ZENBIVY setup compared to her old one.
I bought a Zenbivy set up several years ago before they went to the "light" model. I absolutely love it. A friend borrowed it for a weekend trip and liked it so much she bought one. All of their beds have the advantage that you're not sleeping directly on your mattress -- I find that much more comfortable. I sleep in a hammock on 90% of my hikes, and I like that I can take just the quilt & leave the sheet/hood at home.
If I needed a new set up, I'd buy either the light or UL. I've had such a good experience with my gear and with Zenbivy's customer service that I believe it'd be money well spent. But I also expect my current Zenbivy quilt to last a few more decades, and in a few more decades I likely won't be hiking anymore.
I was able to look it up. GOAT = Greatest Of All Time
First day on the internet? Welcome. 🤦♂️
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Feels like Emmit had a great time editing this one, and I'm all here for it. Great review Dan, and I'm glad you were able to return to the Grand Canyone and show it who's boss!
I bought the 10 degree light bag + sheet and got to use it for the first time a few weeks ago. I’m a cold sleeper and temps dipped to about 28 and I was toasty warm. Paired with a BA Rapide, I’ve never slept better. I don’t think I can justify the cost to upgrade to the ultralight unless it was discounted. I also like the full length sheet - it stays put better than a half sheet. And, you couldn’t pry my Thermorest pillow out of my hands. I’ll never be an UL hiker with this stuff but it sure is comfortable.
I bought a small, lightweight zip-up pillowcase for my Zillow Pillow. Not because it feels better, but because I can just wash the pillow case instead of the pillow. Something like that for the Zenbivy pillow might help with the feel as well. And you can just cut holes for the connection points.
Over the years I have already arrived at the sleep system I prefer and am making every effort to resist the dreaded GAS. I have a Sierra Designs Cloud 35 and a Exped down-filled sleeping pad. It is a poor mans ZenSpiffy. Thanks for the video Dan.
I avoided Zenbivy products before because of the weight, but this has me really excited! At only 3oz for the sheet it's not hard to justify bringing it.
Just got the double zenbivy to use with my husband. Will invest in this in the future if needed but we are happy with zenbivy!! Wish they resotcked their sheets sooner and have an option for use with extra large pads for car camping too like the expeds. Excited to see the new pillows that attach to the sheet. They are so innovative and I eventually went with them over EE
That is nice how nothing falls off the pad....when sleeping on the side of a mountain I start normal but wake up in a ball at the low end of the tent hahaha
I love my ZenBivey 25 degree lite bed for the warmer Sierra Nevada summers. It took me a bit to figure out the straps/closures, but then I also learned to keep everything attached. It’s comfy and works well for me.
I've one of the original style Zenbivy beds from a couple years ago and have to say, while it is expensive, it's so worth it for comfort. It's really bulky though, a lot like how old my MOLLIE military sleep bag, but weighs a whole lot less. I don't backpack, but car camp instead, so having this level of comfort at hand is worth it.
I'm planning to get the Flex 3D mattress, just for the extra comfort.
I like your idea of being able to put the hood all the way down.
I got the core synthetic quilt, sheet and pillow for christmas. Doesnt pack down as small, but it's fantastic for me. Used it the first time on the weekend. Only complaint is that i need more pillows, but thats a problem due to my shoulder width, not the pillow itself.
For anyone curious and wanting another actual review, I’ve used this setup a handful of times except I paired it with a big Agnes rapide sl pad instead of the zinbivy pad. This setup is great if you move around in bed a lot at night and get too hot or too cold easily. I’ve used it as low as 25° and as warm as around 80° and slept comfortably in it. Being able to seal it up to be more of a “bag” really helps in colder weather and being able to unseal it is great for warmer weather. Being able to stick your feet or legs out if you need to stretch is also helpful. It isn’t cheap but if you can’t seem to get comfortable in closed off bags then it’s 100% worth the price
Hey Dan, thanks for the vid!! I would have loved to see what the packed product looks like and maybe compared against other packed down sleep systems. I wonder about "the tetris of it all" and am always interested in how much space (volume) products like these occupy in the pack.
I have the 25° light bed and it fits inside the 7L dry bag and then compresses down super well...I'd say maybe 6"diameter and 6" tall. The UL is supposed to fit in the same size dry bag, so should be similar.
Love it - great that this now is easy to order in Europe as well!
Why would I want a goat sleep system. I would rather have a human sleep system.
i love that Meryl Streep thought her costars were calling her "an old goat" not realizing they were respecting her lifetime of acting chops.
Trust me nothing will keep you awake like restless goats,
you WANT the goat sleep system.
"HA HA"
You haven’t slept warm until you’ve slept in a Tauntaun.
Good one. Lol
What’s does it look like all packed up? The first little bag you showed in the beginning?
Thanks
Iv just been getting myself the Big Agnes Echo Park 2. haven't had it out to test it yet. but first impressions in the house its brilliant.
Saw this on the website a week ago and thought of saving for the 10 degree because on the website it says $409 for the quilt, not $659. I was willing to pay the 409 for the 10 degree, but not over 600. Might as well get the old version which is on clearance sale on their site right now, $231.59 for the 10 degree light 2023 version. Already have a sheet.
Yeah I'm hoping his prices he showed in this video are inaccurate. I bought the light 25 and then the next day saw their add for the coming soon ultralight. Returned the one I bought to wait for the ultralight one but that was with the price labeled as 409 on their website. Idk if I will be willing to pay nearly a grand for the whole setup and 650 for a quilt is steeeep!!!!!!!
I decided to try this out. Full on Ultralight 10 degree Quilt, Large ZenBivy Pillow, Flex-air mattress, Insulated 10 degreen insulated sheet and wow. It got to 27degrees and I slept really good. I can’t believe I spent $1K on that system but I can tell already best money spent. My only challenge is using the Flextail Zero isn’t cutting with inflating the Flexair Matress.
Hae you tested the old Flextail pump vs the new one? IIRC the old one, while a bit bulkier, was also a bit more piwerful. That might make the difference between needing to add a few breaths to the pad or being able to get it fully inflated with just the pump.
Hi Dan,
No, we still haven't forgotten your last video. We're coming for you. Better sleep on that Zen Bivy with one eye open. Sage Green rules!
Sincerely,
The Durston Cult
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I’ve ordered a zenbivy core bed from their europe site and it literally took them almost 2 months to deliver. I had the worst experience with them. BUT is the most amazing thing to have on a camping trip!
How does he quilt compare with the enlightened equipment or rock front quilts?
I bought the 2020 version in Ul xl- I’d say it’s magic. I even swap in ugq 40 quilt in summer - but keep the sheet & the pad. Can’t recommend enough. I did buy on the summer promo price, so it was 300 for everything.
Looks cool. I have a similar sleep system made by Ukrainian company Rock Front. The difference is that the sheet has a zipper on it, so the entire quilt stays on top of the pad and is fully attached to it with no holes. You may want to check it out.
I currently have the Zenbivy 10 degree light sleep system - LOVE IT! I use it with Big Agnus Q pad since I like the thickness of it but would like something lighter. Wondering if they made this new ultra light pad to work with any of their sleep systems.
better than a nemo tensor??
I like the diamond park/echo park setup by Big A. Considerably more affordable. i'll take the bump in weight for this.
Just got the 25 degree light convertible quilt with the light un insulated sheet. Imo the price for the ultralight version is too high to save 5oz. After the first night though, I love this system. I didn’t know I could be so comfortable sleeping outside.
I’d be interested to see if this is any better than the Big Agnes Diamond/Echo Park sleep systems. They have zippers instead of clips, which I think Dan said he would prefer in a previous review of the ZenBivy. That already has the sheet that is like a fitted sheet around your sleeping pad.
1) Cost will be a huge barrier to entry 2) System looks like it will take up a ton of space in a pack, too big for UL? Awesome to see them move towards lighter systems.
I dont see it taking up much more space than a similar sleeping bag the sheet part is so small and thin and the hood part is basically the same as any other sleeping bag maybe just a tad bit wider but its 900 fill down so it should pack fairly small.
Damn i just saw the price!!!!
Definitely crazy and will be a huge barrier to entry
The quilted system is one of the warmest out there because it creates warmth pockets !!!.
Initial thoughts: 1) Too complicated 2) Doesn’t come in shorter lengths. As a shorter (female) person I find the standard sizes of most pads force me to unnecessarily carry extra weight and waste my tent space. More 60 to 66” sizes would be nice.
Like your channel, Dan!
I have a genuine question about hiking quilts. Does anyone else feel that they are just trying to reinvent the wheel by trying to make it as close as possible to a sleeping bag without being able to call it a sleeping bag?
By the time you add the retaining straps, the foot box, the draft shields at the sides, the hood, the under sheet, and all the other design details that separate it from being just a thick insulated flat sheet (comforter/duvet), haven't you just basically made 90% of a sleeping bag? 🤷🏻♂️ the only difference I can see is that you lay directly on your sleeping pad compared to a sleeping bag base between you and the pad.
I'm 47, I've been camping since I was a kid and genuinely don't see what's wrong with sleeping bags that needs fixed by adding all the extra complexity, straps, pieces and hassle to assemble modern quilt systems 🤷🏻♂️ apart from the obvious argument someone will make of "But it's 57 grams lighter!" 🤣 It just seems like it's 7/8's of a sleeping bag with assembly required
The quilts that everyone uses were originally for hammock campers. The reason for them being open in the bottom like they are is because it's very difficult to get into a regular sleeping bag when you're in the hammock. Since you should be using a bottom quilt under the hammock for insulation, you don't need a fully enclosed sleeping bag. The ground dwellers at some point started using top quilts to drop some weight. Plus, when you're laying in a sleeping bag, you crush the insulation under you, and it becomes useless for keeping you warm. That is why you use a sleeping pad or mat.
@@MastaSquidge Doesn't seem like a massive difference 🤷🏻♂️
I've had bags over the years that have done both: stayed with you as you roll over (which is my preference and I love my Deuter Exosphere bags for that reason) or stayed in place for you to spin inside it (which can be aided by some sleeping pads which have sticky traction decals on them to stop your bag sliding, the Vango Trek 3 pad I had before I upgraded to a Thermarest).
If it works for you then awesome 👍🏻 I'm not convinced enough to drop the cash required to try that kind of system out in case I don't get on with it. If Zenbivy want their products tested in the Scottish Highlands I'll happily take a demo setup for a couple of weeks though 🤣
@@bumblebeehikes "ground dwellers" 🤣
I don't see the difference 🤷🏻♂️ crushing the insulation you lay on means you get no insulation Vs not having any quilt under you so you don't get any insulation anyway. You're always using a sleeping pad either way so there's no difference 🤷🏻♂️ unless you're one of those masochists who doesn't use any pad or mattress and just beats the ground into submission 🤣
@@bumblebeehikes is it really that difficult to get into a sleeping bag in a hammock? Especially as you can get centre zip ones?
@CraigTL76 I totally agree with you sir. I've been thinking on getting a quilt for long, because i see the potential in them to sleep unrestricted, just like in bed at home. But the moment you start adding straps, clips, hoods etc... They just become a complex sleeping bag.
Honestly, it looks like a no-go for me. I've been thinking about quilts for long time because i'm a big guy and i always feel restricted on sleeping bags. But this one, looks like it will still make you feel restricted with those attachments/straps. Also, price it's out of charts, specially if you consider adding shipping cost out of USA.
Nope, you won’t feel restricted. In quilts I always size up anyway. You don’t have to clip in at all, but most people start clipped in on one side then gradually clip into the other side throughout the night to add warmth. I have two UL quilts by the major competitor and I can tell you, this is the better product.
@@suzannestroh3194exactly
Can’t ever find the pad in stock so without that the other bedding is null?
I have the ZenBivy Light 25 and it's very comfortable. Probably won't upgrade to the ultralight due to price but maybe worth it for those who backpack a lot and want the comfort and the ultralight weight.
How’s the half sheet working out? Do you feel like it rides up on the pad to where you are forced to constantly have to pull it back down? Do you think the full sheet would be better if you were using this in a bivy/ul tent and keeping the whole system installed when packing up each day where you just deflate and re inflate your pad each night? I don’t repack each item in its stuff sack each night I just stuff it all together into my pack, so speed and convenience is key. The weight difference between the two sheets is negligible in my opinion.
Outdoor vitals has the very best pillow in my opinion
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Hi Dan, for the AT would you use the 10 degree or the 25 degree down, also would you match the quilt and the sheet with the same down rating?
Is the pad really noisy? It sounds like it in this vid
No their pads are not.
The sleeping pad is very reminiscent of my Sea to Summit pad - more so than the Amazon pads.
Is the sheet and quilt system compatible with a variety of different sleeping pad and sizes? How would it work with the big Agnes Rapid or other rectangular pads?
I use the Zenbivvy light sheet with an Exped pad. As long as the width is the same it's fine.
Ditto Exped down mat UL7 wide. It’s the thickest backpacking mat on the market. Many people comment that they are Rapide users. My feeling is, any pad will work, just take care to order the correct width.
Why have I never seen any review, anywhere, that shows the system as you would pack it. Every reviewer shows the system already out. Would like to get an idea how big it would be in my pack...
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I have one of there older models and love it!! Best system!
It's kinda funny, I use my mummy bag as a quilt / foot box.
The outdoor vitals quilt a liner and a Nemo tensor pad is my happy set up for sleep.
a comparison between all the ZB systems would be nice to see.. I'm in the market, but not so fussed about weight, would just like the comfiest 😊
Well, if money weight and compressibility are no option, then you are left with two things to consider. One, do you prefer the fabric in the Core Bed sheet. And two, what feeling do you prefer in your quilts? I own two quilts by the major competitor with DFP above 900 and 7D fabric. Personally, I love a cloud like bed and the new Ultralight will be getting me closer to that experience with added features that surpass the competitor’s. But some people worry about fragile fabrics and prefer beefier materials draping them when they sleep. Maybe think about those things when you compare?
How does this compare to the big Agnes UL?
I love how Dan's just woke up voice is like 3 octaves lower.
so i want to start traveling living outdoors spending the couple thousand i save to get my bug out bag ready...so, i went on the site and everythings individual and its my 1st time purchasing a outside bed i click the 10 degree cause i want the lowest so i comfortable and the ultra light is awesome but i just do the light with the extra 11 ounces to save a couple hundred but everything in the video you showed i want to buy but you got to click everything individual i thought you just click the color size and light and boom 800 or whatever it comes to but it isnt easy for me cause its not like that so,please everything you showed can you list the names and size that will make it the whole set? thank you im new
If I could afford it I would but for now I would go with the cheaper head portion. I would use a different air pad. If I used their pillow I would bring a cotton or silk pillow case to put everything together and leave their red pillow case back at the house. You can carry two cheap light weight air pads and stack them together so they don't move and get great R-value plus a very cushion mattress. You could also carry a large long pillow case and put your air mattress(s) into it to get a home style comfort sleep.
Love my zenbivvy beds, its like a quilt but with extra snuggles 😂. Love the look of the insulated light sheet.
I can see my wallet taking a deep breath and bracing for the hit.
I love the design of the brand and will probably be trying their stuff at some point but the price point is something I'll have to save for unless I just piece it together over time or get lucky with a sale or combo deal.
Taking a backpacking trip this summer, but no idea what shoes/boots to wear. Any suggestions?
I’m assuming temperatures aren’t going to be very cold since it’s summer.
My advice is:
1. Get one or two pairs of hiking socks. Either a wool blend or synthetic. Hiking socks cost $15-20 per pair. It may seem like a lot if you are used to buying athletic socks, but they will do more to help avoid blisters than your shoes. If you get 2 pairs you can wear one and swap if one pair get wet, while you hang the wet pair on your pack to dry.
2. Wear a comfortable pair of sneakers you already own.
3. If you have to replace your sneakers between now and your trip, consider a pair of trail runners. They are sneakers with a more boot like tread. If this is your only backpacking trip, they will work as everyday shoes outside your trip. Whatever brand fits comfortably is the best for you. An outfitter, or running store can help you select a good pair.
4. Boots aren’t necessary for one backpacking trip, especially if cold temps aren’t an issue. If you get boots, get a pair that’s fairly light weight and comfortable. Get them well ahead and wear them a bunch before your trip. Most boots are stiffer than sneakers, and require a little break in time to avoid blisters.
It will be nice if you use the thermal camera to test this pad
I just bought very similar "sleeping system" from 30€ inflatable mat + 30€ sleeping bag. Aroung 1000g in total. +5C comfort. I think its very similar and low cost. :)
I want to like the Zenbivy sleep system, but it seems like you need a PhD to correctly assemble it each evening. Seems like the simplicity of a nice warm bag and sleep pad are the easy button for hassle free nights on the trail.
No, not really. Anybody familiar with quilt sleep systems will not find this fiddly in the least. Fantastic product, thank you!
I disagree. There is very little hassle. Do you know how to zip your jacket and fix the Velcro tabs at the wrist? The elevation in sleep quality is HUGE with this system. . People need to understand this.
How much Space if packe?
Does Zenbivy ship to Australia?
Honestly how does the zenbivy sleep pads light and ultra light flex air ect compare to the the Thermarest NTX ?
Finally a system that I dream of, the problem COST. Good news though the systems exists.
they do have cheaper systems that are down but they weigh just a little bit more. Like half the price but not twice the weight. It's worth a look.
What jacket are you wearing?
I would say that Zen Bivy has really spent a lot of time and energy making this thing work. They seem to have solved every problem and complaint there is with traditional quilts. However there is way too much clips and loops, and gadgets and $$$$$$$$$$. Oh my. Love my Cloud 20
I like my Cloud 20 too but there is a huge difference in livability with the ZB Light Sheet. Also the SD aesthetics are total crap. I cannot stand looking at my Cloud 20. Been in this game a long long time. Aesthetics matter in everything. ZB is handsome kit. I feel like I’m in Scout Camp in my Cloud 20. Not pleasant.
@SuzanneStroh are you saying my Cloud 20 is ugly? I would have to agree. But I don't care too much what it looks like. It's too heavy for sure. I just sleep good in it.
Whomever came up with "stuff sack that also acts as puff sack" deserves a Nobel prize. That is pretty darn smart.
It’s been in use by a major competitor for over a decade. Very smart inflation system. I don’t recommend blowing into it. Fluff it to gather air then roll and press into the mattress.
Exped has had that for more than a decade now.
What was the total weight for this sleep system?
About getting that pillow cover/hood thing out of the way ( 08:58 ) - just put it _under_ the pillow.
The Zenbivy pad seems a lot like the sea to summit sleeping pads.
I've tried inflatable pillows - not a fan. Maybe this one would be better with the soft pillow stuffed in with the inflatable part 🤔
NOW they release greys, white, black, and red. When we bought our Zenbivy it was only horrible color combos (ended up with blue/yellow)
Is there no mire powerful pumps to get than flextail then, seen many youtubers say that they can't inflate pads to the fullest.
i have the 40 degree quilt and i plan on getting a 10 degree quilt as well but i cant tell what the drffrence is ith the new ultra light and the older light bed. anything helps, thanks!
900 fill power down makes it more compressible, half sheet vs full sheet saves weight, and pillow clips inside the hood secure the pillow.
The 2024 fast footbox models (all of them!) are 6 inches shorter than the 2023 Fast Footbox models. 2023 was the first year for the Fast Footbox and they simply took the convertible quilt and added a bottom panel. This resulted in a quilt that was longer than the convertible once the convertible's footbox was cinched. To make their sizing consistent, they cut 6 inches off all fast footbox models. This is a shock if bought the ultralight which was launched as being 86 inches long and expected it to be that long. They've updated their online specifications now to reflect the loss of length on the fast footbox models.
Hey Dan, I have some questions for you and could use your help?
Any love for camping gear/ equipment reviews for us living in the tropics? I love the equipment reviews but it's mostly for cold climate condition. Eg sleeping pad for example. Any alternatives for warmer climate?
I have the sheet and 10 degree quilt. Honestly it’s a pain to setup. I use the sheet with my EE Enigma. The sheet really is a game changer.
How do you use the sheet with your enigma?
Which pad is more comfortable for a side sleeper, the zenbivy one you tested or the Rapide from BA? Thanks for your videos btw.
Rapide
@@DanBeckerthank you for your quick reply! At 53 I want lite but I need comfort. My S2S comfort plus just doesn’t do it for me.
Comfort rating? They are actually testing them now?
Hmmmm.......I have/use/love the previous version of the Light Quilt/Sheet. I'm not sure I "get" what the MAJOR upgrade really is, and I certainly don't get how it be worth more than double the price. Yes, it's lighter, but not by all that much. I do like the looks of the new clips, which seem to be an improvement I'd like, that's nice. The fact that the sheet is now a "half sheet" does mean that there'd be that (potential) draft around my hips area....not a big deal for the 25deg.system, but for the temps I'd be using the 10deg. system in, I don't like that. Given that I have no plans/desire to give up the system I've currently got, and that this supposedly MAJOR upgrade looks pretty "meh" to me, especially for the price, I think I'll pass.
The pillow "system" looks pretty interesting. I do like the idea of it. Again though, not in the market at this time......for "ultralight" excursions I'm perfectly happy with my Outdoor Vitals Ultralight (an excellent piece of kit which doesn't get near enough accolades and drooling praise from all these RUclips "influencers" imo), and for other trips I really like my Nemo Fillo.
I have a 10 degree light bed and was excited to see if I could cut down some weight and bulk with this but doubt I'll pull the trigger after realizing the weight savings is only like 7 oz lol
I love my ZenBivy light bed!
Magnets for the footbox to keep it tucked
It's a great system but I wish they would make their straps and hooks glow in the dark. Making it easier to see in the middle of the night.
They probably wouldn't get enough light to glow for any significant amount of time after dark, as you would be taking it out of your pack and putting it into your shelter.
I’m a little bummed they don’t seem to be making the full length sheet for the light bed anymore. Still the best system out there though.
Well, I have about 20 nights this winter in my LightBed and I found the full size sheet a tad staticky. Plus the fabric on my pad is wonderful-more comfortable than ZB. I’m looking forward to the half sheet.