I’m super glad that I got the light bed last year and didn’t wait. Last year’s model came with the full length sheet, and you could buy the half length “fast sheet” separately, which I did out of curiosity. I think the weight difference between the full length sheet and the half length sheet was like 1 ounce, and the full length is by far the superior option. It kind of bums me out that the light bed doesn’t come with a full length sheet option anymore, but I suppose you could buy the light quilt and pair it with a core sheet if you really wanted to. Kind of a bummer though.
Unfortunately for me I bought it recently and had to settle for a color that wasn't my favorite. I actually wanted the red and black Light Bed but like you said it doesn't come with the full sheet. So, I had to get the CoreBed sheet which only came in black and gray or blue and navy. To make a set of the same color I took the quilt in black and blue. The problem with the half sheet is that it is undesirable when you take the convertible quilt to use as a blanket because you are in direct contact with the mattress. It's deplorable not to have at least the colors to make the sets
Agree, I picked up last year's light bed option in the 10° version during black Friday. It is incredibly comfortable. I do wish I also had one more for the warmer months.
I started my quilt journey by finding myself in a siutation where I had to use a Horizon Hound GR-20 because I'd sold my sleeping bags the prior weekend, and the 8 year old that lives in my head simply had to try out my new X-Mid1. Finally having a good pad and a system that kept the quilt on me was an absolute game changer and I got an amazing sleep. That's the cheap alternative to quilt use for relativley mild weather, btw. Anyway, my Enlightened Equipment Revelatoin (20F 950fp 10D shell) was on the way before you knew it, but when it arrived it was improperly stuffed, so it got sent back. I had seen the Zenbivy blowing up all over the place and thought it'd suit my wife if nothing else and so ordered a 10° Light Quilt and Sheet to use on my Exped Ultra 7R. She tried it before I did in the living room. She promptly gave that 'I'm cozy' look before drifting off. I was amazed (she's unusually picky about that stuff). I tried it later for some backyard testing and holy cow... love. The EE, despite being lighter and presumably using better materials just took a backseat. When the rework arrived I tried it a couple of times. It performed well, but the magic wasn't there that the Zenbivy had. The sheet/hood combo and how it works with the quilt is just amazing. So of course I ordered another EE Revelation spec'd the same as the last one but in a 40° rating since I figured that for warmer temps the hood wouldn't be something I'd want, and the weight/pack size savings were insane compared to the my 10° Zenbivy Light stuff. I decided I'd be modifying my EE quilts to work with the Zenbivy Sheet. I called EE to see if they'd modify the quilt, and they refused. After trying to work out how to do that so I didn't damage the EE quilts (even taking it to some tailors/seamstresses), I finally abandoned the idea and decided to sell the 20° EE Revelation to fund a 25° Zenbivy UL Quilt and Sheet which I can pair with my Exped Ultra 7R, Zenbivy Flex, or Nemo Tensor EC (it's amazing with all of them). It was absolutely the correct move. While I do wish the UL had retained the Light convertible footbox, it's still exceptional and that's my only gripe. I do wish it came in the black/electric blue combo that my 10° does; I opted for Black/Red; I love the white combo but I know it'd get absolutely filthy in short order and I'd rather avoid that. After picking up the Zenbivy Flex pad (over the UL; I coudln't see the benefit of saving such a small amount of weight over having more comfort, particularly for what this system is) I thought I might as well try their pillow. Also astoundingly good to sleep on, but the pack size is pretty big. For me, my Flextail Zero Pillow (tall) is the winner, but I will say that anyone who likes a traditional pillow will be blown away by the Zenbivy. And the great thing is that I can slide any pillow I want (provided it fits) into the Zenbivy pillow cover which lets me hook it to the Sheet. Win. The softness/feel of the mateials Zenbivy uses is second to none; even my very expensive EE quilts feel cheap and sticky by comparison. The system is exceptionally well thought out and it just works. I've done a couple of nights where I used my X-Mid2 to set up both systems side-by-side and when I come out of the EE quilts and move to the Zenbivy systems, the delta is like going from camping to your own bed; it's that large. It's amazing. I'm a gram weenie and I always opt for the smallest pack size I can get from any equipment where practicable, but I'll always sacrifice a bit of both to take the Zenbivy; it makes the entire experience camping so much better that it more than compensates for the slight weight and bulk. And while they do cost a *tad* more when you really look at the breakdown, it isn't enough to make a difference compared to other premium brands, and the quality is second to none, as is their customer service.
I got the light bed set in the spring and have used it about 10 times so far. Never looked back at regular sleeping bags and I sleep awesome. I usually run hot so it's been a game changer to stick a leg out vs traditional mummy bags. best piece of backpacking gear I own.
I bought the Original back in 2018 and have since bought a couple of 10 deg Light Beds, and a few Flex Mattresses (warm and comfortable) and Pillows (very comfortable) for myself, gf, and kids over here in NZ. The ability to alter the setup to easily regulate temperature, and the room to move around have made them my favourite system which I am happy to carry on using. With the gf I made up a couple of webbing straps with velcro at the ends which we wrapped around the two Flex mattresses and tied between the mattresses with boot laces. This secure the two mattresses beside each other. Then we would attach the quilts on the outer edge and leave them loose on the inner so that we could pull them across or fling them open as the temperature changed: worked a treat. A great system.
hey mate. another kiwi here. did you go with fast footbox or convertible light zenbivy? did you get the sheets from zenbivy as well? have you done winter camping in NZ at 0degrees C or close to with the 10degrees F light bed and was it comfortable or cold? do you find the zenbivy 10 degrees F light bed too hot in summers
@@TheSpyNZ 1/ I bought the 10 deg light beds in 2019 and 2022 and there were no options for the footbox- they are both the same with the green and blue hook and loops, black dome clip, and drawstring as shown on their footbox video on their website. 2/ Yes, all Zenbivy sheets. 3/ The 2022 10 deg has more bulk than the 2019 one. I haven't been out in 0 deg with the 10 deg ones yet but am pretty confident they'd be quite comfortable- in my 2 person tent by myself. 4/ I've been using the Original (0 deg C survival from memory and I've frozen in that one at that temp) this summer up here in the NI. Being a quilt you can flick it off and drag it on over the night as requirements change. I took the light bed a few weeks ago (Nov) for a week at Waikaremoana just in case it turned cold. It was mild weather and again being so flexible as a quilt it was fine. Generally in summer I'd use the Original as the 10 deg would be overkill but that is the beauty of a quilt- you aren't trapped inside it sweating. If you're in Tauranga you're welcome to come check them out.
@@waterbourne9282 legend. thanks for the detailed reply. Zenbivy have a new light -5 degrees F (-15C comfort) model pre-order up on there website. 1/ I am thinking of getting 4 of these for the family along with 4 full sheets of the Light -5C. We are in Waikato but would be camping mostly around Northland, Coromandel or Taupo area like Ohakune campground (yearly due to going to snow). Sounds like the new Light -5C F model is a good guarantee in the harshest winters we would experience in North Island and we have Exped 10cm self inflating mattress to pair them with. 2/I am also thinking of getting Zenbivy 4 x Light Synthetic 40degrees F for summers and pair these with the same Light -5C full sheets as the insulated head covering part of sheet can be reverted and tucked in under the sheet making it a normal uninsulated sheet and saving $$ in buying different insulation level sheets. 3/ This is the minimum setup I am thinking going with but I really do want to get Zenbivy 4 x Light 25 F as well and take these with me when going summer camping as an insurance incase it does get cold at night since you can clip both the 40 F synthetic and 25 F together to stay warm if needed in off summer cold snap at night. We stay in campgrounds anyway so no hiking for us so carrying the weight in car is not an issue. Good to know you are happy with the ZB gear.
@@TheSpyNZ There sure are a lot of options these days and you will sure have them all covered by the sounds of it. I was a bit dubious about the durability of the light bed with the hook and loop and light fabric but it has all proved durable enough although I am quite careful with it all. Enjoy :)
@@waterbourne9282 last question. if you had the option to go with new fast footbox vs convertible footbox that you currently have currently, would you still be happy with the convertible? Have you ever found your toes or legs getting stuck in drawstring outside for footbox or draughts? I am thinking convertible to go with as that means it can be used inside home as well?
I purchased the ZB ultralight quilt (25 degree, large) during the recent sale along with the 2023 Light Sheet (full length, 25 degree, 25", pocket in the hood) as they still had them available (while supplies last). I've seen a lot of comments recommending the full sheet over the half sheet with only a few minor differences between the newer 2024 version (no pillow clips and the attachment clips use cord not webbing). The difference in weight between the light half-sheet and light full sheet is a few ounces as well. The core sheet is still available, but it would've been nice to still have the full-sheet option for the light and ultralight sheets.
I’ve come to enjoy the half sheet myself. I haven’t had any issue with it slipping on the pad. Which I’ve heard others comment on or ask as a concern. I wouldn’t be surprised if at some point Mike hears the feedback and a full light sheet becomes an option.
I've got both. I hike in pants pretty much no matter what (the terrain here and the lightweight pants make it a good choice) so the half vs full sheet isn't really an issue for me. With that said, I do like the full sheet. I don't know why they put the straps on the full sheet as the design seems to keep it on the pad regardless, and I submit that if they'd eliminated the strap it would have come much closer to the weight saved by going to a half sheet. You can't get around the smaller pack size with the half sheet though, so there's that. I didn't like the idea of the half sheet, but have come to find it stays as securely as the full sheet, and after having used the Zenbivy pillow (in particular the cover) I think I'd opt to have the clips on the Sheet over a full length sheet if I had to choose. I can put whatever pillow I want in the cover and it'll hold fast. If they'd offered the new UL Sheet in full-length wtih the pillow loops, I'd have gotten that though.
The Zenbivy bed system is such a unique sleeping system. I don't get the half sheet for the light bed and ultra bed. I was looking at the core bed sheet to pair with the light quilt. The fact that any of the quilts can work with any of the sheets is a genius design.
I think the whole idea of the half sheet is to give you the benefits of the draft wings, clips and hood. It gets the job done. But it's awesome that there's the ability to mix and match.
I’m a big fan. I bought the first generation Light Bed and appreciate the many small but significant improvements. I recently upgraded to the Ultralight Bed for 1 to 2 week treks where weight is a critical factor. Yes the price was steep but I have to have great sleep and Zen Bivy gives me that. Full sheet vs core sheet: Two factors to consider- 1) the fabric/comfort of your pad. This mostly matters if your legs and feet are bare. If your skin has clothing layer than I don’t find it matter on the sheet length. 2) related to above, season using the sleep system, I don’t overnight in the summer if I can help it. Rather most of my treks are in shoulder or winter season so I’ll be wearing at least a base layer at night. In that case, I’m fine with the core sheet and don’t miss the full sheet much to my surprise (I thought it would be an issue but it wasn’t). Pillow has always been an issue comfort wise. Looking forward to using the new Zen Bivy pillow system next trek. Being able to clip it in the hood will be very nice also. Way more comfortable than the old inflatable pillow I had.
Maybe it's the delicious marshmallow color controlling my thoughts, along with the fun color coated system, but i MUST have that quilt. Also, it's not just about weight, it's about packability. The 25° ultralight fits in a 7L compression sack and compresses down to, well, very small. It's the best I've found perusing the internet so far.
I got a core 25⁰ synthetic this year. Nkt the lightest by any means, but nice and comfy and took me below freezing without a problem, which was a pleasant surprise! Ill look to get a lighter version in the future, but no matter the weight, i cannot fault this sleep system- Zenbivvy has ruined me for other quilts.
Yeah I’ve been wanting to make this video for a while. Was gonna do it last year but then learned about the UL bed and some of the changes. So I waited. Enjoy!
Devin, would it be worth showing off the Zen double again, and teach that it can be used with two 25 in pads or with some self inflating pads like Zen’s or EXPED megamat? Looking online so few people have done videos on it. Yet you and Eric have openly used it for car and backpacking trips.
Great review. Can you advise if the whole system (quilt, sheet, pad) can be rolled up together once mat is deflated for packing? I have a 3 day competition coming up in the US and need to upgrade my current sleep system but setup / breakdown time is a consideration I need to take into account as well as weight and comfort. Thanks!
Thank you for the review! I've been debating trying the ZB system vs. my current quilt and have been struggling with the excess weight that comes with the ZB system over just having a quilt.
As a motorcycle camper weight is a consideration but pack size is more of a concern. I’d love if you’d make an addendum to this video showing the pack size of each bed system side by side.
I didn't include that just for the sake of the number of variables depending on degree rating, bed choice, etc. Sorry about that. The information on the Zenbivy website for compression bag liter size for stuffing each temp rating/bed is very accurate.
I came to say the same thing. It would be cool to see all the different versions in their recommended stuff sacks compared to an actual human. It'd actually be a great video for Zenbivy to release. I was debating on getting the zippered bed version because the price was so low recently, but I think it'd be just as bulky as the bag I currently have.
I have the light bed and I like it. But, while vertical baffling at the top prevents down from moving to the side, I find that some down has drifted towards the bottom by morning. Seems like there should be a horizontal baffle about half way down the top portion.
Hello and nice review. I’ve been an EE Rev 20 user for 4-5 years now and considering changing to the UL25 model. I love this idea and would have started here if available then and light. I also have 2 W. Mtn’eering bags in 15 and -15, so looking for a shoulder season, say September-Nov and April on. Love the features of this quilt and sheet. I’ve been at 25 deg in my Rev20 closed up tight and ok. Most trips for this style for me would be mid to upper 20’s low and usually warmer. If solid temps for 2-3 days in mid to low 20’s, I’m in my WM 15 deg. I know there are tons of variables, but do you feel the 25 is a solid rating and would it do freezing or bit below w/o issues. Also I realize this depends on pad and layers, tent compared to leanto, etc. just wondering if it’s a fair trade for a Rev 20 for my use, btw, I have the 850 duck Rev and this is 900 goose. Thanks.
With the temperature ratings, how does the 25 degree system feel at 25 degrees? I’m wondering if I should get both the 10 and 25 for when I go on trips in higher elevations that will get below freezing.
The temp ratings are definitely limit ratings. I’ve had the 25° down to freezing several times and it’s just a bit at its limit there. I’ve had the 10° down to the teens and with a liner and wearing my down jacket I was plenty warm. Hope that helps.
The higher fill power of 800-850 doesn’t make much sense to me for the added cost for negligible weight savings. 800-900 makes a difference, but then you’re into the UL bed and not the Light bed.
@@BackcountryExposure yes my ideal would be the light bed with 900+ fill power like the ultralight. Actually I prefer the color of the ultralight so my real ideal would be ultralight with 20D fabric and a convertible footbox haha. I have a Katabatic Flex with 950 fill and 20D Pertex Quantum that I love but it doesn’t keep drafts out like the Zenbivy. Hopefully Zenbivy adds a convertible option to the UL, that would be close enough for me to buy it.
I love my Zenbivy-it's the best sleeping system ever. The only thing that drives me nuts is the convertible foot box, as the drawstring always gets entangled in my toes. I don't know how, as I leave the string outside of the foot box, but it somehow always works its way in.
Great job, you helped me end my confusion. But I must add I would love for Zenbivy to add weights to the page where you pick and add your pieces . giving a running weight total like the prices total. Same with your review. You would have saved me time by mix and match more weight with systems. Sorry I know that's confusing. Example: I picked the light quilt Large 10Deg with the Core down 25" sheet. = sheet is 11.2oz and quilt is 35oz =46.2oz or 2lb 14oz at $438... If I were to pick the light quilt (reg. not large) (25deg not 10deg) and light sheet 10deg 25" it would = quilt is 20oz and sheet is 8.7oz = 28.7oz or 1lb 13oz at $358... For only $80 more and a weight penalty of 17.5oz I opted for the comfort and the warmth the costlier and slightly heavier system. Hopefully this helps, but anyway great job. Love the depth of your review.
I recently purchased a LightBed and had to settle for a color that wasn't my favorite. I actually wanted the red and black Light Bed but it didn't come with the full sheet. The problem with the half sheet is that it is undesirable when you take the convertible quilt to use as a blanket because you are in direct contact with the mattress. So, I had to get the CoreBed sheet which only came in black and gray or blue and navy. To make a set of the same color I took the quilt in black and blue. It's deplorable not to have at least the colors to match the outfits. Especially, at the price they are.
What’s the general consensus on the fast foot box vs the convertible? I was thinking about the 10* quilt which is probably 20* comfort ? Convertible offer any value in flexibility or is it just as easy to stick a leg out either way?
Hey hey :) I have the convertible one on Zenbivy Bed 25 . I nearly never close it and being 6,4 tall it would probably restraint my feet in that pocket if it was the fastbox. Another good thing about the convertible one is , that you can buy a duvet fot it and use it at home/boat/campervan and that's actually exactly what I am doing. Since i bought it 2 years ago i use it every day .First year and a half on many hikes on NZ and between in my van. Now I'm thinking to get the XL version as the hood gets until my nose and covers my eyes when I lay on my back 🙃... Enjoy your day and good luck with your decision.
thinking about getting my first one.. the sheet will be full lenght. that seems to be a no brainer for me. but with the quilt im not quite sure.. light or Core. I really dont have the ambition to be an ultralight hiker but is the comfort with the core that much higher to take the weight penalty ? or is the weight not to bad for the money you have to spent ? Please help :D sorry if there is something unclear i'm not a native englisch speaker. :)
Question: Can you put the light or moto zenbivy bed on a four inch air mat? I have the Smaller Cloud mattress from Sylvan Sport in our mini camper. Thank you to anyone who knows the answer! :)
@@BackcountryExposure As of now I'm using a custom Hammock Gear 40 deg quilt. Short length, standard width, 850 fill, sewn toe box. Picked it up during one of the 30% off sales. My first HG quilt was a custom 20 deg in wide with 2 oz overfill. Also bought 30% off. Pad straps on a Nemo Tensor Insulated wide. I'll use a Hammock Gear Down Hood when it gets really cold. I don't get drafts when using the straps and cinching up the quilt. I've been using the Borah Gear ultralight bivy in wide at 6.4oz the last few trips. Along with a tarp it kept me toasty during my last trip when it was very windy, damp, and cold. Zipping it up definitely helped with the wind. 👍
I am 6’3” and 215lbs. I was looking at the XL models but was a bit turned off by the pricing. Is this the size you’d recommend for someone my size? I also noticed the large version seems to be the standard “long/wide” of most other models, but don’t have much experience with the width / length of sleep systems. Lastly, the ultralight & flex pads don’t come in an xl size. So that is another deciding factor.
Nice thorough overview Devin! I've been recommending this system to anyone just starting out and really wanting to get into backpacking more. Def the Lite system is the most economical without breaking the weight category. I'm a fan of the open footbox for warmer weather but not for the colder temps. The shoulder seasons allow you to open the quilt all the way up and drape over you at camp as a rumple style blanket. I would also not recommend anything around 10D or lower for the denier. It starts to get rather thin and won't last as long as the 20D. Awesome vid! I'd like to see them make R2 pad and shave off even more weight for a summer pad. I'd also like to see a warmer weather down quilt.
The one thing that really frustrates me with the 2024 models is that they dropped the option of a full sheet for the light bed. I cannot stand the half sheets as they are such a pain to use in warmer weather when you don't clip in the quilt as they walk off the sleeping mat (and I don't like the feel of a mattress pad on bare legs), yet I want the higher fill power down for the sheet.
I also dislike the half sheet. If you're comparing the 2024 to the 2023 models, notice that they cut about 6 inches from the length of their fast foot box versions.
Great walk through. As someone who is an active sleeper and a side sleeper, mummy bags are problematic. I can sleep in them, but I spend half the night fighting with the bag, sleeping on top of the zipper, and waking up with the bag completely inverted. So, I knew that my next system had to be something that attached to the mattress pad. Zenbivy has the most elegant solution with the sheet ... other quilts lack this sheet system. However, I then stumbled across the Big Agnes Anvil Horn. This is a wider body mummy bag with a back sleeve that attaches to the pad. 650 down and stuffs nicely into a Sea to Summit 13 L compression stuff sack. Regularly available for south of $200 and it's not rare to see it for less than $150. This has been an absolute gamechanger for me sleep experience. I have plenty of space to toss and turn, roll, stretch, and relax ... and the bag stays right where it's supposed to be. You can take a weight and volume penalty for the larger (and more expensive) Diamond Park bag. I'd like to see more manufacturers offering solutions that anchor to the mattress pads. Doing so is absolutely transformational to the sleep experience.
You didn’t miss it, cause I didn’t focus on that. They really all do pack down to the same size. The 25° beds all fit in a 7L sack and the 10° beds in a 10L.
@@BackcountryExposure That is only for the light bed and ultralight bed systems. Core bed and zenbivy bed are larger. 10L for 25 degree and 15L for 10 degree. The core synthetic 25 degree is also a 15L.
@@jeremyhays9433 I do have a video on the two new pads from zenbivy. Scroll back through my videos. The purpose of this video was to focus on the quilts/sheets only. 😊
I dunno about the Ultralight. Using a bivy sack with any quilt gives you most of the benefits of the Zen sheet: it keeps you on your mattress, keeps the pillow under control, lets you roll around and stick your arms under the pillow, prevents drafts. And a bivy sack is lighter than a tent, so...
Have one of the first generation light beds and love it. Watch for the sales. They will go on sale at the major American holidays and sometimes do end of the year clearance sales.
The original Zenbivy bed still uses zippers. The Light Bed, Core Bed, and UL Bed use the clips/loops. I guess the Double Bed also uses clips/loops too.
@@BackcountryExposure by bad yeh. Apologies. I’ve light beds for me and the family. Prefer the long sheets though so was going to buy additional sheets that I thought were zenbivy bed but it’s actually core. So it’s not true mix and match as such. Apologies for the confusion
Best ZenBivy review on RUclips. The cost of the "sleep systems" are way out of reach for most occasional hikers. I wonder if the temperature ratings are accurate comfort temps. Most of us use the +10 model. Add (at least) 10 degrees F to the manufacturer's claimed number. I do like the "semi-rectangular" design. I make my bags and quilts in that configuration. My 700 FP down and synthetic bag with hood weighs about 28 ounces. Easily keeps me warm to lower 30 F. Without considering my labor, my hybrid bags cost about $90. TomLovesDIY.
Thank you! Videos like this one are very involved and come from a lot of field time and hands on experience with the gear. Maybe at some point I ought to have you build me a quilt!
I think you have bigger problems to worry about if your tent has flooded. The sheet will soak up some, but yeah, if you’ve got 3” of water in your tent, that’s not good for stuff.
I meant if you have a traditional quilt setup, the 3in sleeping pad gives you a buffer, not 3in of water . Having backpacked over 7000mi and had to camp in less than ideal sites either do to terrain or weather, I've had some leakage and stayed dry do to the pad. I think having a bedsheet that soaks up water could lead to a miserable situation
Hey. You missed telling people that ONLY the Ultralight has goose down. The rest of the down beds have DUCK down. This is an important spec for someone, like me, who is sensitive (hates!) to the smell of duck down when it gets the slightest bit moist.
Would you also please produce a video with the title "Best economical Zenbivy alternatives" I don't think that company has a monopoly on a sheet attached to a sleeping pad. Come one now.
Just picked up Thermarest Corus 20 degree down quilt for $167 on camp saver (originally closer to $300). There's a few high R value Big Agnes sleeping pads on REI for $100-$130 now.
I have the Klymit Static V and the Pillow X with the Static V sheet. I bought a cheapo 55° quilt from Amazon (I believe the brand was Horizon Hound). Very inexpensive setup that works great for summer camping. I'm looking at the Zenbivy for the other seasons, because I'm a super restless sleeper and I always get tangled in mummy bags and slide off of my pad. I also have the Thermarest NeoAir Xlite pad (the old one purchased in 2020) and I HATE it. Really lightweight, but too small for me and the incessant crinkling drives me crazy!
@@AltSTL Static V has been thermal tested as the worst sleeping pad on the market. All the space between the V shape has zero insulation. Wrong choice. I guess you only camp in July.
@johncramer9564 That's a lot of vitriol 😅 I did say that's my summer setup. For colder weather backpacking, I'm trying to replace my Thermarest Xlite that crinkles worse than a paper bag and Nemo mummy bag that is too narrow to zip around my shoulders. I'm looking at the Nemo Tensor and REI Magma quilt (which are both on sale right now), but keep coming back to the Zenbivy system. Which is how I found this video. I really like the sheet for the Klymit V that includes a sleeve to tuck in the pillow. It works out great for keeping both pad and pillow clean when I'm using a quilt and sleeping in gym shorts and a t-shirt in summer. I like the looks of the full Zinbivy sheet for this reason. I also love how the quilt attaches to the sheet. My little Horizon Hound quilt is fine for really warm nights, but it's basically just a light blanket with no attachment points, and I get cold if the temp drops below 60°.
@@BackcountryExposure yeah, the prices in Norway are almost twice as the US. Wayyy less people, much less competition, looks like only 1 company sells it. So that's probably why. Maybe I should recycle some old down duvets and make my own sleep system 😅
Habe 2 Stück die -4 und die -12grad version bestellt und getestet beide stinken abartig bereits bei der geringsten Luftfeuchte. Richtig schade - hoffe das bekommen sie in den Griff (hat scheinbar was mit der Daunenimprägnierung zu tun)
So six months ago, the core quilt was 120 regular price and 77 bucks on sale… that was like June 2024… it’s dec 2024 and the same core quilt is on sale for 132 and original price 190….. wut da fukkkkkk
@@joh8379 yup, strict orders from Zenbivy to not show the pack size. No, it was simply an oversight in the production of the video. Don’t let it ruin your day though. They fit into either a 10L or 7L bag depending on the model and temp rating.
Isn't it much easier to just get a mummy instead of screwing with all of the stuff you have to do just to lay down and sleep. It's not worth the fussing
I’m super glad that I got the light bed last year and didn’t wait. Last year’s model came with the full length sheet, and you could buy the half length “fast sheet” separately, which I did out of curiosity. I think the weight difference between the full length sheet and the half length sheet was like 1 ounce, and the full length is by far the superior option. It kind of bums me out that the light bed doesn’t come with a full length sheet option anymore, but I suppose you could buy the light quilt and pair it with a core sheet if you really wanted to. Kind of a bummer though.
Unfortunately for me I bought it recently and had to settle for a color that wasn't my favorite. I actually wanted the red and black Light Bed but like you said it doesn't come with the full sheet. So, I had to get the CoreBed sheet which only came in black and gray or blue and navy. To make a set of the same color I took the quilt in black and blue.
The problem with the half sheet is that it is undesirable when you take the convertible quilt to use as a blanket because you are in direct contact with the mattress. It's deplorable not to have at least the colors to make the sets
Agree, I picked up last year's light bed option in the 10° version during black Friday. It is incredibly comfortable. I do wish I also had one more for the warmer months.
I started my quilt journey by finding myself in a siutation where I had to use a Horizon Hound GR-20 because I'd sold my sleeping bags the prior weekend, and the 8 year old that lives in my head simply had to try out my new X-Mid1. Finally having a good pad and a system that kept the quilt on me was an absolute game changer and I got an amazing sleep. That's the cheap alternative to quilt use for relativley mild weather, btw.
Anyway, my Enlightened Equipment Revelatoin (20F 950fp 10D shell) was on the way before you knew it, but when it arrived it was improperly stuffed, so it got sent back. I had seen the Zenbivy blowing up all over the place and thought it'd suit my wife if nothing else and so ordered a 10° Light Quilt and Sheet to use on my Exped Ultra 7R. She tried it before I did in the living room. She promptly gave that 'I'm cozy' look before drifting off. I was amazed (she's unusually picky about that stuff). I tried it later for some backyard testing and holy cow... love. The EE, despite being lighter and presumably using better materials just took a backseat. When the rework arrived I tried it a couple of times. It performed well, but the magic wasn't there that the Zenbivy had. The sheet/hood combo and how it works with the quilt is just amazing. So of course I ordered another EE Revelation spec'd the same as the last one but in a 40° rating since I figured that for warmer temps the hood wouldn't be something I'd want, and the weight/pack size savings were insane compared to the my 10° Zenbivy Light stuff.
I decided I'd be modifying my EE quilts to work with the Zenbivy Sheet. I called EE to see if they'd modify the quilt, and they refused. After trying to work out how to do that so I didn't damage the EE quilts (even taking it to some tailors/seamstresses), I finally abandoned the idea and decided to sell the 20° EE Revelation to fund a 25° Zenbivy UL Quilt and Sheet which I can pair with my Exped Ultra 7R, Zenbivy Flex, or Nemo Tensor EC (it's amazing with all of them). It was absolutely the correct move. While I do wish the UL had retained the Light convertible footbox, it's still exceptional and that's my only gripe. I do wish it came in the black/electric blue combo that my 10° does; I opted for Black/Red; I love the white combo but I know it'd get absolutely filthy in short order and I'd rather avoid that.
After picking up the Zenbivy Flex pad (over the UL; I coudln't see the benefit of saving such a small amount of weight over having more comfort, particularly for what this system is) I thought I might as well try their pillow. Also astoundingly good to sleep on, but the pack size is pretty big. For me, my Flextail Zero Pillow (tall) is the winner, but I will say that anyone who likes a traditional pillow will be blown away by the Zenbivy. And the great thing is that I can slide any pillow I want (provided it fits) into the Zenbivy pillow cover which lets me hook it to the Sheet. Win.
The softness/feel of the mateials Zenbivy uses is second to none; even my very expensive EE quilts feel cheap and sticky by comparison. The system is exceptionally well thought out and it just works. I've done a couple of nights where I used my X-Mid2 to set up both systems side-by-side and when I come out of the EE quilts and move to the Zenbivy systems, the delta is like going from camping to your own bed; it's that large. It's amazing. I'm a gram weenie and I always opt for the smallest pack size I can get from any equipment where practicable, but I'll always sacrifice a bit of both to take the Zenbivy; it makes the entire experience camping so much better that it more than compensates for the slight weight and bulk. And while they do cost a *tad* more when you really look at the breakdown, it isn't enough to make a difference compared to other premium brands, and the quality is second to none, as is their customer service.
I got the light bed set in the spring and have used it about 10 times so far. Never looked back at regular sleeping bags and I sleep awesome. I usually run hot so it's been a game changer to stick a leg out vs traditional mummy bags. best piece of backpacking gear I own.
I bought the Original back in 2018 and have since bought a couple of 10 deg Light Beds, and a few Flex Mattresses (warm and comfortable) and Pillows (very comfortable) for myself, gf, and kids over here in NZ. The ability to alter the setup to easily regulate temperature, and the room to move around have made them my favourite system which I am happy to carry on using. With the gf I made up a couple of webbing straps with velcro at the ends which we wrapped around the two Flex mattresses and tied between the mattresses with boot laces. This secure the two mattresses beside each other. Then we would attach the quilts on the outer edge and leave them loose on the inner so that we could pull them across or fling them open as the temperature changed: worked a treat. A great system.
hey mate. another kiwi here. did you go with fast footbox or convertible light zenbivy? did you get the sheets from zenbivy as well? have you done winter camping in NZ at 0degrees C or close to with the 10degrees F light bed and was it comfortable or cold? do you find the zenbivy 10 degrees F light bed too hot in summers
@@TheSpyNZ 1/ I bought the 10 deg light beds in 2019 and 2022 and there were no options for the footbox- they are both the same with the green and blue hook and loops, black dome clip, and drawstring as shown on their footbox video on their website. 2/ Yes, all Zenbivy sheets. 3/ The 2022 10 deg has more bulk than the 2019 one. I haven't been out in 0 deg with the 10 deg ones yet but am pretty confident they'd be quite comfortable- in my 2 person tent by myself. 4/ I've been using the Original (0 deg C survival from memory and I've frozen in that one at that temp) this summer up here in the NI. Being a quilt you can flick it off and drag it on over the night as requirements change. I took the light bed a few weeks ago (Nov) for a week at Waikaremoana just in case it turned cold. It was mild weather and again being so flexible as a quilt it was fine. Generally in summer I'd use the Original as the 10 deg would be overkill but that is the beauty of a quilt- you aren't trapped inside it sweating. If you're in Tauranga you're welcome to come check them out.
@@waterbourne9282 legend. thanks for the detailed reply. Zenbivy have a new light -5 degrees F (-15C comfort) model pre-order up on there website. 1/ I am thinking of getting 4 of these for the family along with 4 full sheets of the Light -5C. We are in Waikato but would be camping mostly around Northland, Coromandel or Taupo area like Ohakune campground (yearly due to going to snow). Sounds like the new Light -5C F model is a good guarantee in the harshest winters we would experience in North Island and we have Exped 10cm self inflating mattress to pair them with. 2/I am also thinking of getting Zenbivy 4 x Light Synthetic 40degrees F for summers and pair these with the same Light -5C full sheets as the insulated head covering part of sheet can be reverted and tucked in under the sheet making it a normal uninsulated sheet and saving $$ in buying different insulation level sheets. 3/ This is the minimum setup I am thinking going with but I really do want to get Zenbivy 4 x Light 25 F as well and take these with me when going summer camping as an insurance incase it does get cold at night since you can clip both the 40 F synthetic and 25 F together to stay warm if needed in off summer cold snap at night. We stay in campgrounds anyway so no hiking for us so carrying the weight in car is not an issue.
Good to know you are happy with the ZB gear.
@@TheSpyNZ There sure are a lot of options these days and you will sure have them all covered by the sounds of it. I was a bit dubious about the durability of the light bed with the hook and loop and light fabric but it has all proved durable enough although I am quite careful with it all. Enjoy :)
@@waterbourne9282 last question. if you had the option to go with new fast footbox vs convertible footbox that you currently have currently, would you still be happy with the convertible? Have you ever found your toes or legs getting stuck in drawstring outside for footbox or draughts? I am thinking convertible to go with as that means it can be used inside home as well?
Awesome breakdown of these sleep systems! This review answered all my questions! Thank you for this video!!
Ahh sweet! Thank you!
Aussie here. I now have both light bed models in the convertible foot box. I love my ZB and their customer service is totally amazing !!
Love it!
What temps have you taken it down to? Would you use it in Tassie?
I purchased the ZB ultralight quilt (25 degree, large) during the recent sale along with the 2023 Light Sheet (full length, 25 degree, 25", pocket in the hood) as they still had them available (while supplies last). I've seen a lot of comments recommending the full sheet over the half sheet with only a few minor differences between the newer 2024 version (no pillow clips and the attachment clips use cord not webbing). The difference in weight between the light half-sheet and light full sheet is a few ounces as well. The core sheet is still available, but it would've been nice to still have the full-sheet option for the light and ultralight sheets.
I’ve come to enjoy the half sheet myself. I haven’t had any issue with it slipping on the pad. Which I’ve heard others comment on or ask as a concern. I wouldn’t be surprised if at some point Mike hears the feedback and a full light sheet becomes an option.
I've got both. I hike in pants pretty much no matter what (the terrain here and the lightweight pants make it a good choice) so the half vs full sheet isn't really an issue for me. With that said, I do like the full sheet. I don't know why they put the straps on the full sheet as the design seems to keep it on the pad regardless, and I submit that if they'd eliminated the strap it would have come much closer to the weight saved by going to a half sheet. You can't get around the smaller pack size with the half sheet though, so there's that.
I didn't like the idea of the half sheet, but have come to find it stays as securely as the full sheet, and after having used the Zenbivy pillow (in particular the cover) I think I'd opt to have the clips on the Sheet over a full length sheet if I had to choose. I can put whatever pillow I want in the cover and it'll hold fast.
If they'd offered the new UL Sheet in full-length wtih the pillow loops, I'd have gotten that though.
I'm going with the core sheet and light quilt. I am allergic to down so I have also got an extra pongie liner for a little extra warmth.
The Zenbivy bed system is such a unique sleeping system. I don't get the half sheet for the light bed and ultra bed. I was looking at the core bed sheet to pair with the light quilt. The fact that any of the quilts can work with any of the sheets is a genius design.
I think the whole idea of the half sheet is to give you the benefits of the draft wings, clips and hood. It gets the job done. But it's awesome that there's the ability to mix and match.
I’m a big fan. I bought the first generation Light Bed and appreciate the many small but significant improvements. I recently upgraded to the Ultralight Bed for 1 to 2 week treks where weight is a critical factor. Yes the price was steep but I have to have great sleep and Zen Bivy gives me that.
Full sheet vs core sheet: Two factors to consider- 1) the fabric/comfort of your pad. This mostly matters if your legs and feet are bare. If your skin has clothing layer than I don’t find it matter on the sheet length. 2) related to above, season using the sleep system, I don’t overnight in the summer if I can help it. Rather most of my treks are in shoulder or winter season so I’ll be wearing at least a base layer at night. In that case, I’m fine with the core sheet and don’t miss the full sheet much to my surprise (I thought it would be an issue but it wasn’t).
Pillow has always been an issue comfort wise. Looking forward to using the new Zen Bivy pillow system next trek. Being able to clip it in the hood will be very nice also. Way more comfortable than the old inflatable pillow I had.
Maybe it's the delicious marshmallow color controlling my thoughts, along with the fun color coated system, but i MUST have that quilt. Also, it's not just about weight, it's about packability. The 25° ultralight fits in a 7L compression sack and compresses down to, well, very small. It's the best I've found perusing the internet so far.
Great overview! And so goods that finally all these are much easier to buy in Europe!
Thanks!
I got a core 25⁰ synthetic this year. Nkt the lightest by any means, but nice and comfy and took me below freezing without a problem, which was a pleasant surprise! Ill look to get a lighter version in the future, but no matter the weight, i cannot fault this sleep system- Zenbivvy has ruined me for other quilts.
Have you got a video on the light matress ?
😍Ahhhh Devin! I hope I had a little influence to do this video. I love it. So excited to watch this!!! Thanks brother 😊
Yeah I’ve been wanting to make this video for a while. Was gonna do it last year but then learned about the UL bed and some of the changes. So I waited. Enjoy!
Devin, would it be worth showing off the Zen double again, and teach that it can be used with two 25 in pads or with some self inflating pads like Zen’s or EXPED megamat?
Looking online so few people have done videos on it. Yet you and Eric have openly used it for car and backpacking trips.
@@JarradShaw video coming soonish on the double.
Great review. Can you advise if the whole system (quilt, sheet, pad) can be rolled up together once mat is deflated for packing? I have a 3 day competition coming up in the US and need to upgrade my current sleep system but setup / breakdown time is a consideration I need to take into account as well as weight and comfort. Thanks!
Thank you for the review! I've been debating trying the ZB system vs. my current quilt and have been struggling with the excess weight that comes with the ZB system over just having a quilt.
Glad it was helpful.
As a motorcycle camper weight is a consideration but pack size is more of a concern. I’d love if you’d make an addendum to this video showing the pack size of each bed system side by side.
I didn't include that just for the sake of the number of variables depending on degree rating, bed choice, etc. Sorry about that. The information on the Zenbivy website for compression bag liter size for stuffing each temp rating/bed is very accurate.
I came to say the same thing. It would be cool to see all the different versions in their recommended stuff sacks compared to an actual human. It'd actually be a great video for Zenbivy to release. I was debating on getting the zippered bed version because the price was so low recently, but I think it'd be just as bulky as the bag I currently have.
Thanks for your review. I'm curious about sizing though. I'm 6"2' and usually use a long sleeping bag. How does the sizing work for this system?
I'd suggest the size large quilt, which works best with a 25" wide pad. It'll be plenty long for you at 6'2".
I have the light bed and I like it. But, while vertical baffling at the top prevents down from moving to the side, I find that some down has drifted towards the bottom by morning. Seems like there should be a horizontal baffle about half way down the top portion.
Hello and nice review. I’ve been an EE Rev 20 user for 4-5 years now and considering changing to the UL25 model. I love this idea and would have started here if available then and light. I also have 2 W. Mtn’eering bags in 15 and -15, so looking for a shoulder season, say September-Nov and April on. Love the features of this quilt and sheet. I’ve been at 25 deg in my Rev20 closed up tight and ok. Most trips for this style for me would be mid to upper 20’s low and usually warmer. If solid temps for 2-3 days in mid to low 20’s, I’m in my WM 15 deg. I know there are tons of variables, but do you feel the 25 is a solid rating and would it do freezing or bit below w/o issues. Also I realize this depends on pad and layers, tent compared to leanto, etc. just wondering if it’s a fair trade for a Rev 20 for my use, btw, I have the 850 duck Rev and this is 900 goose. Thanks.
Very helpful, thx!
With the temperature ratings, how does the 25 degree system feel at 25 degrees? I’m wondering if I should get both the 10 and 25 for when I go on trips in higher elevations that will get below freezing.
The temp ratings are definitely limit ratings. I’ve had the 25° down to freezing several times and it’s just a bit at its limit there. I’ve had the 10° down to the teens and with a liner and wearing my down jacket I was plenty warm. Hope that helps.
@@BackcountryExposure that helps a ton! Thank you!
Wish they did the ultralight with a convertible foot box, or the light bed with higher fill power
The higher fill power of 800-850 doesn’t make much sense to me for the added cost for negligible weight savings. 800-900 makes a difference, but then you’re into the UL bed and not the Light bed.
@@BackcountryExposure yes my ideal would be the light bed with 900+ fill power like the ultralight. Actually I prefer the color of the ultralight so my real ideal would be ultralight with 20D fabric and a convertible footbox haha. I have a Katabatic Flex with 950 fill and 20D Pertex Quantum that I love but it doesn’t keep drafts out like the Zenbivy. Hopefully Zenbivy adds a convertible option to the UL, that would be close enough for me to buy it.
what size do they pack down to?>
I love my Zenbivy-it's the best sleeping system ever. The only thing that drives me nuts is the convertible foot box, as the drawstring always gets entangled in my toes. I don't know how, as I leave the string outside of the foot box, but it somehow always works its way in.
Great job, you helped me end my confusion. But I must add I would love for Zenbivy to add weights to the page where you pick and add your pieces . giving a running weight total like the prices total. Same with your review. You would have saved me time by mix and match more weight with systems. Sorry I know that's confusing. Example: I picked the light quilt Large 10Deg with the Core down 25" sheet. = sheet is 11.2oz and quilt is 35oz =46.2oz or 2lb 14oz at $438... If I were to pick the light quilt (reg. not large) (25deg not 10deg) and light sheet 10deg 25" it would = quilt is 20oz and sheet is 8.7oz = 28.7oz or 1lb 13oz at $358... For only $80 more and a weight penalty of 17.5oz I opted for the comfort and the warmth the costlier and slightly heavier system.
Hopefully this helps, but anyway great job. Love the depth of your review.
I recently purchased a LightBed and had to settle for a color that wasn't my favorite. I actually wanted the red and black Light Bed but it didn't come with the full sheet. The problem with the half sheet is that it is undesirable when you take the convertible quilt to use as a blanket because you are in direct contact with the mattress. So, I had to get the CoreBed sheet which only came in black and gray or blue and navy. To make a set of the same color I took the quilt in black and blue.
It's deplorable not to have at least the colors to match the outfits. Especially, at the price they are.
What’s the general consensus on the fast foot box vs the convertible? I was thinking about the 10* quilt which is probably 20* comfort ? Convertible offer any value in flexibility or is it just as easy to stick a leg out either way?
Hey hey :) I have the convertible one on Zenbivy Bed 25 . I nearly never close it and being 6,4 tall it would probably restraint my feet in that pocket if it was the fastbox. Another good thing about the convertible one is , that you can buy a duvet fot it and use it at home/boat/campervan and that's actually exactly what I am doing. Since i bought it 2 years ago i use it every day .First year and a half on many hikes on NZ and between in my van. Now I'm thinking to get the XL version as the hood gets until my nose and covers my eyes when I lay on my back 🙃... Enjoy your day and good luck with your decision.
thinking about getting my first one.. the sheet will be full lenght. that seems to be a no brainer for me. but with the quilt im not quite sure.. light or Core. I really dont have the ambition to be an ultralight hiker but is the comfort with the core that much higher to take the weight penalty ? or is the weight not to bad for the money you have to spent ? Please help :D sorry if there is something unclear i'm not a native englisch speaker. :)
I'm a Zenbivy convert. Love em!
Nice!
Question: Can you put the light or moto zenbivy bed on a four inch air mat? I have the Smaller Cloud mattress from Sylvan Sport in our mini camper. Thank you to anyone who knows the answer! :)
Great info. If I were starting out I'd consider it but I'm pretty happy with my current system.
What’s your current system? I think you’ve shared before, but can’t remember.
@@BackcountryExposure As of now I'm using a custom Hammock Gear 40 deg quilt. Short length, standard width, 850 fill, sewn toe box. Picked it up during one of the 30% off sales. My first HG quilt was a custom 20 deg in wide with 2 oz overfill. Also bought 30% off. Pad straps on a Nemo Tensor Insulated wide. I'll use a Hammock Gear Down Hood when it gets really cold. I don't get drafts when using the straps and cinching up the quilt.
I've been using the Borah Gear ultralight bivy in wide at 6.4oz the last few trips. Along with a tarp it kept me toasty during my last trip when it was very windy, damp, and cold. Zipping it up definitely helped with the wind. 👍
I'd love to see a pack size comparison, please?
I would have liked to see them all packed up to compare size. More important to me than a few ounces
I am 6’3” and 215lbs. I was looking at the XL models but was a bit turned off by the pricing. Is this the size you’d recommend for someone my size?
I also noticed the large version seems to be the standard “long/wide” of most other models, but don’t have much experience with the width / length of sleep systems.
Lastly, the ultralight & flex pads don’t come in an xl size. So that is another deciding factor.
Nice thorough overview Devin! I've been recommending this system to anyone just starting out and really wanting to get into backpacking more. Def the Lite system is the most economical without breaking the weight category. I'm a fan of the open footbox for warmer weather but not for the colder temps. The shoulder seasons allow you to open the quilt all the way up and drape over you at camp as a rumple style blanket. I would also not recommend anything around 10D or lower for the denier. It starts to get rather thin and won't last as long as the 20D. Awesome vid! I'd like to see them make R2 pad and shave off even more weight for a summer pad. I'd also like to see a warmer weather down quilt.
The one thing that really frustrates me with the 2024 models is that they dropped the option of a full sheet for the light bed. I cannot stand the half sheets as they are such a pain to use in warmer weather when you don't clip in the quilt as they walk off the sleeping mat (and I don't like the feel of a mattress pad on bare legs), yet I want the higher fill power down for the sheet.
I also dislike the half sheet. If you're comparing the 2024 to the 2023 models, notice that they cut about 6 inches from the length of their fast foot box versions.
The full sheet is coming back!
Thank you for a great video
Great walk through. As someone who is an active sleeper and a side sleeper, mummy bags are problematic. I can sleep in them, but I spend half the night fighting with the bag, sleeping on top of the zipper, and waking up with the bag completely inverted. So, I knew that my next system had to be something that attached to the mattress pad. Zenbivy has the most elegant solution with the sheet ... other quilts lack this sheet system.
However, I then stumbled across the Big Agnes Anvil Horn. This is a wider body mummy bag with a back sleeve that attaches to the pad. 650 down and stuffs nicely into a Sea to Summit 13 L compression stuff sack. Regularly available for south of $200 and it's not rare to see it for less than $150. This has been an absolute gamechanger for me sleep experience. I have plenty of space to toss and turn, roll, stretch, and relax ... and the bag stays right where it's supposed to be. You can take a weight and volume penalty for the larger (and more expensive) Diamond Park bag.
I'd like to see more manufacturers offering solutions that anchor to the mattress pads. Doing so is absolutely transformational to the sleep experience.
I may have missed it in the video. But do these systems all pack down to roughly the same size? Thanks
You didn’t miss it, cause I didn’t focus on that. They really all do pack down to the same size. The 25° beds all fit in a 7L sack and the 10° beds in a 10L.
@@BackcountryExposure Thank you!
@@BackcountryExposure That is only for the light bed and ultralight bed systems. Core bed and zenbivy bed are larger. 10L for 25 degree and 15L for 10 degree. The core synthetic 25 degree is also a 15L.
@@Brett_S thanks for clarifying that.
I love my Zenbivy beds! I have the Core bed, and 2 light beds. One that is 10degree and one that is 25 degree. Best sleep system I have experienced
I'm curious how the 10 and 25 perform? I hear people talking about using 25 degree in the snow and keep thinking it can't be warm enough.
So if you don't want to go with hydrophobic down and don't want to go with the heavy core bed, you're out?
I wish you would have talked about the mattresses
@@jeremyhays9433 I do have a video on the two new pads from zenbivy. Scroll back through my videos. The purpose of this video was to focus on the quilts/sheets only. 😊
I dunno about the Ultralight. Using a bivy sack with any quilt gives you most of the benefits of the Zen sheet: it keeps you on your mattress, keeps the pillow under control, lets you roll around and stick your arms under the pillow, prevents drafts. And a bivy sack is lighter than a tent, so...
Is Zenbivy’s recommended stuff sack sizing accurate?
Yes
Some day I’ll break the bank on this.
Just get the core bed, good start and cheap
Core Bed with a light sheet. Great combo!
I broke the bank on the light bed 15. I love it. And I’m still broke!
Have one of the first generation light beds and love it. Watch for the sales. They will go on sale at the major American holidays and sometimes do end of the year clearance sales.
Core bed is such a good entry point. Love mine and the extra weight is worth it.
Which 10 degree bed would hold up to my dog walking (think dog nails) and laying on it?
Core bed or light bed. Just be as careful as possible!
Standard zenbivy bed no longer uses zips on the sheets. All loop and hook now.
The original Zenbivy bed still uses zippers. The Light Bed, Core Bed, and UL Bed use the clips/loops. I guess the Double Bed also uses clips/loops too.
@@BackcountryExposure by bad yeh. Apologies. I’ve light beds for me and the family. Prefer the long sheets though so was going to buy additional sheets that I thought were zenbivy bed but it’s actually core. So it’s not true mix and match as such. Apologies for the confusion
Great review! Maybe work on the speech flow a bit.
Best ZenBivy review on RUclips. The cost of the "sleep systems" are way out of reach for most occasional hikers. I wonder if the temperature ratings are accurate comfort temps. Most of us use the +10 model. Add (at least) 10 degrees F to the manufacturer's claimed number. I do like the "semi-rectangular" design. I make my bags and quilts in that configuration. My 700 FP down and synthetic bag with hood weighs about 28 ounces. Easily keeps me warm to lower 30 F. Without considering my labor, my hybrid bags cost about $90. TomLovesDIY.
Thank you! Videos like this one are very involved and come from a lot of field time and hands on experience with the gear.
Maybe at some point I ought to have you build me a quilt!
Great video Devin Indoors!
👍🏻
What happens if your tent gets flooded? Does the bedsheet soak up water?
Apposed to a traditional Quilt setup where you would have 3in of pad
I think you have bigger problems to worry about if your tent has flooded. The sheet will soak up some, but yeah, if you’ve got 3” of water in your tent, that’s not good for stuff.
I meant if you have a traditional quilt setup, the 3in sleeping pad gives you a buffer, not 3in of water .
Having backpacked over 7000mi and had to camp in less than ideal sites either do to terrain or weather, I've had some leakage and stayed dry do to the pad.
I think having a bedsheet that soaks up water could lead to a miserable situation
Hey. You missed telling people that ONLY the Ultralight has goose down. The rest of the down beds have DUCK down. This is an important spec for someone, like me, who is sensitive (hates!) to the smell of duck down when it gets the slightest bit moist.
Nobody mentions the smell. I wish I would have known. I didn’t know what it was at first, but I don’t like the duck down smell either.
Would you also please produce a video with the title "Best economical Zenbivy alternatives" I don't think that company has a monopoly on a sheet attached to a sleeping pad. Come one now.
Just picked up Thermarest Corus 20 degree down quilt for $167 on camp saver (originally closer to $300). There's a few high R value Big Agnes sleeping pads on REI for $100-$130 now.
I have the Klymit Static V and the Pillow X with the Static V sheet. I bought a cheapo 55° quilt from Amazon (I believe the brand was Horizon Hound). Very inexpensive setup that works great for summer camping. I'm looking at the Zenbivy for the other seasons, because I'm a super restless sleeper and I always get tangled in mummy bags and slide off of my pad. I also have the Thermarest NeoAir Xlite pad (the old one purchased in 2020) and I HATE it. Really lightweight, but too small for me and the incessant crinkling drives me crazy!
@@AltSTL Static V has been thermal tested as the worst sleeping pad on the market. All the space between the V shape has zero insulation. Wrong choice. I guess you only camp in July.
@johncramer9564 That's a lot of vitriol 😅
I did say that's my summer setup. For colder weather backpacking, I'm trying to replace my Thermarest Xlite that crinkles worse than a paper bag and Nemo mummy bag that is too narrow to zip around my shoulders. I'm looking at the Nemo Tensor and REI Magma quilt (which are both on sale right now), but keep coming back to the Zenbivy system. Which is how I found this video.
I really like the sheet for the Klymit V that includes a sleeve to tuck in the pillow. It works out great for keeping both pad and pillow clean when I'm using a quilt and sleeping in gym shorts and a t-shirt in summer. I like the looks of the full Zinbivy sheet for this reason. I also love how the quilt attaches to the sheet. My little Horizon Hound quilt is fine for really warm nights, but it's basically just a light blanket with no attachment points, and I get cold if the temp drops below 60°.
Well that's out of the budget here in Norway 😮
Every option?
@@BackcountryExposure yeah, the prices in Norway are almost twice as the US. Wayyy less people, much less competition, looks like only 1 company sells it. So that's probably why. Maybe I should recycle some old down duvets and make my own sleep system 😅
Habe 2 Stück
die -4 und die -12grad version bestellt und getestet
beide stinken abartig bereits bei der geringsten Luftfeuchte.
Richtig schade - hoffe das bekommen sie in den Griff (hat scheinbar was mit der Daunenimprägnierung zu tun)
ile ci płacą ?
Haha I was wondering cause that's over 5.000.00 dollars worth of sleeping quilts.
So six months ago, the core quilt was 120 regular price and 77 bucks on sale… that was like June 2024… it’s dec 2024 and the same core quilt is on sale for 132 and original price 190….. wut da fukkkkkk
Dont agree with some of your reports about zippers on sea to Summitt.
#3 zippers on sleeping bags are a pain. But that is my opinion. 😁
No way I'm letting a $300-$900 sleep system touch dusty ground 😢😅
ha ha ha! It's gonna get dusty inside a tent too though.... :)
So there was money exchanged. They gave you their product.
I can’t buy groceries or pay my mortgage with nylon and down insulation. You got all the information, and transparency.
They are way too expensive. The ultralight sleep system exceeds $1k. That's absolutely insane....
Why... WHY ON EARTH wouldn't you show us the pack size bro. You weren't allowed huh?
@@joh8379 yup, strict orders from Zenbivy to not show the pack size. No, it was simply an oversight in the production of the video.
Don’t let it ruin your day though.
They fit into either a 10L or 7L bag depending on the model and temp rating.
Isn't it much easier to just get a mummy instead of screwing with all of the stuff you have to do just to lay down and sleep. It's not worth the fussing
It’s a personal preference. I can’t stand mummy bags. If they work for you, perfect!
You can just unsip a mummy and get the same experience it's so stupid it's not funny