SV650 and MT07 are both budget bikes, they are great as a daily commuter and having some fun on the twisty during the weekends. I wouldn't take them to circuit because of the sub-par suspension and brakes.
Andreani has fully adjustable fork cartridges for the FZ/MT, and swapping the rear for a ZX-6RR shock solves the other piece. After that, the engine can use an intake cam, a small bump in compression, a little head porting, and ECU flash to make around 90 hp. It would be very hard to beat. ER-6F 649cc twin is being used in Isle of Man TT and AMA flattrack racing with success. It's been tuned near 100 hp and seems to be lasting well enough. Yamaha has another 40cc over it.
I had a 04 SV650s for 8 or so years. I still miss that bike and i have a CBR 1000rr and a Speed triple 1050. There is just something special about the SV.
I ride a 2000 SV650S daily with almost 70000 km on the clock on freeways, clocking 100 km daily, must say despite the lack of top end performance the maouverability through traffic allows me to outmanouvre most bikes on the market of all types and sizes. The V twin is just that good! The aluminum chassis outstanding, and the free flow exhaust provides me with all the verility I could ask for.
Pedro Reprezas Nice to see you own your bike for a long time. 👍 I'm afraid I change my bikes more frequently than my under pants . I'm always looking for something better .😢
@@Paul-pb3vq How's it with the maintenance of your bike? I'd like to start riding motorcycles. I would also like to know if you would dare to go on "real" touring 1000-2000 km tours?
@@emanuelmoren I take my bikes to the dealership for any work needed I'm an old fart I'm afraid . I do get uncomfortable on longer rides . I have had several bikes in my life . But never had one that is really comfortable. I go out for about hour or so. But I have friends who ride hundreds of miles a day and feel fine . Everybody is different . At the moment I have a Honda NC750X dct Yamaha Mt09 sp And a triumph street Twin. None of them are really comfortable. Regards Paul
@@Paul-pb3vq thank you for a very covering reply, mate. The Honda NC 750 is the center of gravity quite low? I ask for the reason that I have been a cyclist in my youth. When I for the first time ever tried a bike v-strom. The center of gravity was really high up and I wasn't able to handle it and I tipped over.
The SV650 is easy to overlook, basically coz of it’s dated design. But boy how it grows on you by the day. It’s actually a steal if you think about it. Quality/reliability is a given but its performance is pure unadulterated rider and bike combination that takes you back to how raw riding really is.
Forget the bike reviews, the renewal quote and service I was offered by Bennetts this year was appalling and an absolute disgrace. I was offered better cover at less than half the price, so I’ve moved on. The rep on the phone was not interested at all. So after being on two wheels for over 45 years, my tip for fellow bikers is don’t use Bennetts!
My wife has owned the MT for about 18 months and agree the suspension is bit lacking, but for 5k I feel it's the best middle weight out there, as engine, looks and comfort are all amazing. The suspension can be easily sorted which for about £300, making still a very cost effective bike.
Moby Dick I think you should get quotes from some other insurance companies 'cause the price difference between these two should be very very small ... they're almost identical bikes.
I'm getting an mt07 soon, looks like it's biggest downside is the suspension but luckily they've heavily improved it for 2018 which is the version i'm getting
i have the er6n ,refined fun quality bike , rode a mt just felt cheap and built to a price nice swing arm nasty clocks and indicators and the passanger seat wobbles , wouldnt touch the wk , and i love the suzuki apart from steel chasis should have a alloy one like it used to , i would of had the sv but bought the er before it came out , and kawasaki service was loads better than my local yamaha / suzuki dealer
I was doing my bike test after some travel and buying my first property so I was looking for a used Kawasaki er6 and come across on a WK 650 on an online auction. I did a little research and stuck in a cheeky/low bid as it was a nearly new bike at the time and had done sub 800 miles. To my surprise I won the auction and was the now worried owner of a Chinese built copy of a Kawasaki what had I done! That was two years ago now and I can say I'm very happy with how the bike has served me. I'm a new rider so had the bike checked over and with a clean bill of health and now 4000 miles later on the bike it's lasted rather well, it is definitely not the best quality ie paint finish and switch gear do feel cheap but it has never let me down mechanical or had any major electrical faults. I would never have paid the new price for the wk 650, I would have just bought a more used er6 but for what I paid for the wk and with no problems experienced I feel I had a bit of a result. It definitely looks better in the flesh/metal. I was worried when I won this bike but with proper maintenance it seems to have been a good starter for me.
I'd say out of all of these the SV and MT/FZ have the most potential. Getting rid of the cheap nasty suspensions on both of these machines, they'd be easily capable of being use for racing platforms. If Yamaha modified the CP2 engine to make it eligible for the lightweight twins class, I think it would be a hit. Independent clubs have already made an FZ-07R version of the bike, making over 90 hp with small modifications. It's very light to start with and makes a solid 50 ft-lb torque, more than the others.
Of those the only one I've no experience of is the WK.. The MT07 build quality IMO is shit compared to the ER6n and SV. The SV650 feels dated. The ER6n is a wolf in sheeps clothing IMO and the best of the bunch by a long shot.. And no, I'm not an ER6n owner but if I was in that category (based on my own personal experience) my choice would be the ER6n.
I just bought a brand new sv650 for my first bike, it was between the z650 , mt07 and sv650, I rode them all and the sv650 was the best ,,followed closely by the yamaha, and last place was the z650, far too much vibration on that, my hands would start aching after a few miles , and looks wise I never like it , the mt07 was brilliant, but for me the sv650 felt more planted and smooth
I test rode the 650sv and the 2018 mt07. The sv wasn't as comfortable for me. The tank size was too much making me reach too far for the bars tiring me out quickly. The fz is a much smoother bike...and the engine is torque-y all the way through. Not a huge power band...it's a linear power curve Imo. Much more flickable, much more fun to ride, and just all around nice imo. I ended up.buying he 2018 between the two. I liked the sv, but it fell short in comparison to the mt07 for me
Ah so glad I bought my sv650s in 2004 because I've still got it. Yeah a big bore would be nice. But the sv does such a good job. I don't need another bike! honestly.
Because that Kawasaki parallel twin engine is one of the most reliable motorcycle engines and holds its value for a long time. Same engine as the Versys 650, Ninja 650, Z650 and Vulcan 650 S
@@OAK_MTN they definitely offer more character but I can 100% assure you that the Kawasaki 650 twin is way more reliable than the SV650 take it from someone who spends time around motorcycle mechanics. V-Twins are one of the least reliable motorcycle engines out there eg Ducati's, Ktm's and Harleys. The Tl1000 engine from suzuki a V-Twin they developed a few years ago is a good example, they're honestly not reliable dude they vibrate themselves to death. The MT 07 definitely keeps working but I can't really give my opinion or experience because they seem to last but ppl also sell them before 20000 km.
@@thepsychicpeach8425 Yeah I've heard about various issues on the 1000cc V-twins Suzuki put in the older SV1000 and TL1000. The 645cc one in the SV and V-Strom is well known to be bullet proof though. Many examples known to go for over 150000 km's with questionnable maintenance. I think we're going off topic though. As I see it, a 650 class motorcycle seems, to me, to be a strange relationship between impulsivity and reason. My question was more aimed at what kind of owner buys an ER-6N or a Z650? One who's after a nice chassis, purely aesthetics and feel or something else I'm missing out? I'd tend to think, and hope reliability is not the only thing buyers are thinking of.
The ER6 vs SV650.... Stock yeah, the SV will be faster but the ER6 is a way better base for racing and has much more potential if you go all out to modify it. Look at the TT, the ER6 is chosen for a reason.
I thought the days of romper suits were over,so yesterday. One of the testers forgot to hang off the bike going round corners he just looked like he was enjoying the ride as opposed to posing.I liked the look of them all and I would guess that being used at normal everyday speeds the brakes suspension and engines would suit 99 percent of riders.
Chinese is known for copies of everything for a long time, and since they starting spreading their products in everyday's life you see a lot of things who can not stand a few times of use. Here in South America we have seen a lot of copies of Honda, only that they were Chinese and branded Leopard! I would not risk my life in a Chinese motorcycle.
sao todas boas , mas a mt 07 tem um carater mais explosivo, mais sport , em relaçao as suspensoes elas forao melhoradas e se nota bem a diferença , a minha 07 is model. 2020 and use good suspensions,..mas tbm há formas de melhorart ainda mais , trocando molas , fluidos etç,..a sv 650 é tbm a good choice ,..sao as minhas preferidas a suzuki sv 650 e mt 07 , que é a moto que tenho atualmente !
about Mt07 the suspension does bring the bike down but there is a upgrade what improve that squishy ride calsport.co.uk/yamaha-mt07-2014/hyperpro-suspension/hyperpro-shocks-and-springs/SB-YA07-5AE/
aezif dhom nope that's with dry slump motors all modern engines use pressure to send oil around the engine, plus if you think about it no engine can because the oil is all the way at the bottom of the crankshaft.
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I rode the SV650 and the MT07, I have to say the SV650 is slightly better, feels more refined, balanced and the V-Twin feels and sounds amazing.
if you ride both on a circuit.. which would be the winner? :p
SV650 and MT07 are both budget bikes, they are great as a daily commuter and having some fun on the twisty during the weekends. I wouldn't take them to circuit because of the sub-par suspension and brakes.
+Cheese_Tube nevermind.
Andreani has fully adjustable fork cartridges for the FZ/MT, and swapping the rear for a ZX-6RR shock solves the other piece. After that, the engine can use an intake cam, a small bump in compression, a little head porting, and ECU flash to make around 90 hp. It would be very hard to beat.
ER-6F 649cc twin is being used in Isle of Man TT and AMA flattrack racing with success. It's been tuned near 100 hp and seems to be lasting well enough. Yamaha has another 40cc over it.
lets start a viewer vote.... i vote for the SV650
MT07
sv650 happy owner!
my name says it all
Bought the new SV as well.
i vote for your mom
I had a 04 SV650s for 8 or so years. I still miss that bike and i have a CBR 1000rr and a Speed triple 1050. There is just something special about the SV.
I have a Hyo, pretty much a poor mans SV650. I heard that everyone who got rid of theirs still miss it, so I'll keep mine till it dies :)
I ride a 2000 SV650S daily with almost 70000 km on the clock on freeways, clocking 100 km daily, must say despite the lack of top end performance the maouverability through traffic allows me to outmanouvre most bikes on the market of all types and sizes. The V twin is just that good! The aluminum chassis outstanding, and the free flow exhaust provides me with all the verility I could ask for.
Pedro Reprezas
Nice to see you own your bike for a long time. 👍
I'm afraid I change my bikes more frequently than my under pants .
I'm always looking for something better .😢
I have the same bike (2001 so the same model) absolutely love it
@@Paul-pb3vq How's it with the maintenance of your bike? I'd like to start riding motorcycles. I would also like to know if you would dare to go on "real" touring 1000-2000 km tours?
@@emanuelmoren
I take my bikes to the dealership for any work needed I'm an old fart I'm afraid .
I do get uncomfortable on longer rides .
I have had several bikes in my life .
But never had one that is really comfortable.
I go out for about hour or so.
But I have friends who ride hundreds of miles a day and feel fine .
Everybody is different .
At the moment I have a Honda NC750X dct
Yamaha Mt09 sp
And a triumph street Twin.
None of them are really comfortable.
Regards Paul
@@Paul-pb3vq thank you for a very covering reply, mate. The Honda NC 750 is the center of gravity quite low? I ask for the reason that I have been a cyclist in my youth. When I for the first time ever tried a bike v-strom. The center of gravity was really high up and I wasn't able to handle it and I tipped over.
The SV650 is easy to overlook, basically coz of it’s dated design. But boy how it grows on you by the day. It’s actually a steal if you think about it. Quality/reliability is a given but its performance is pure unadulterated rider and bike combination that takes you back to how raw riding really is.
Forget the bike reviews, the renewal quote and service I was offered by Bennetts this year was appalling and an absolute disgrace. I was offered better cover at less than half the price, so I’ve moved on. The rep on the phone was not interested at all. So after being on two wheels for over 45 years, my tip for fellow bikers is don’t use Bennetts!
👍
best reviews iv found anywhere on the internet/youtube
Milky's then man. Loves the sv650. Good enough for me!
My wife has owned the MT for about 18 months and agree the suspension is bit lacking, but for 5k I feel it's the best middle weight out there, as engine, looks and comfort are all amazing. The suspension can be easily sorted which for about £300, making still a very cost effective bike.
shit really? by how much?
The difference in insurance between these two bikes are marginal ... in my case was about $6 per month.
Moby Dick I live in Toronto ... I was talking about Canadian insurance
Moby Dick Presently paying $810 for FZ07 and quoted $740 for SV650
Moby Dick I think you should get quotes from some other insurance companies 'cause the price difference between these two should be very very small ... they're almost identical bikes.
I'm getting an mt07 soon, looks like it's biggest downside is the suspension but luckily they've heavily improved it for 2018 which is the version i'm getting
i have the er6n ,refined fun quality bike , rode a mt just felt cheap and built to a price nice swing arm nasty clocks and indicators and the passanger seat wobbles , wouldnt touch the wk , and i love the suzuki apart from steel chasis should have a alloy one like it used to , i would of had the sv but bought the er before it came out , and kawasaki service was loads better than my local yamaha / suzuki dealer
I was doing my bike test after some travel and buying my first property so I was looking for a used Kawasaki er6 and come across on a WK 650 on an online auction. I did a little research and stuck in a cheeky/low bid as it was a nearly new bike at the time and had done sub 800 miles. To my surprise I won the auction and was the now worried owner of a Chinese built copy of a Kawasaki what had I done!
That was two years ago now and I can say I'm very happy with how the bike has served me. I'm a new rider so had the bike checked over and with a clean bill of health and now 4000 miles later on the bike it's lasted rather well, it is definitely not the best quality ie paint finish and switch gear do feel cheap but it has never let me down mechanical or had any major electrical faults.
I would never have paid the new price for the wk 650, I would have just bought a more used er6 but for what I paid for the wk and with no problems experienced I feel I had a bit of a result.
It definitely looks better in the flesh/metal. I was worried when I won this bike but with proper maintenance it seems to have been a good starter for me.
Suzuki been making the SV for many years, this is why its clearly the best bike of the lot.
@Mark Winchester www.jhsracing.co.uk/suzuki-sv650-specialists/ do some very nice performance upgrades , i might have to indulge
what is the name of the song?
I vote for the SV650 for sure
I'd say out of all of these the SV and MT/FZ have the most potential. Getting rid of the cheap nasty suspensions on both of these machines, they'd be easily capable of being use for racing platforms. If Yamaha modified the CP2 engine to make it eligible for the lightweight twins class, I think it would be a hit. Independent clubs have already made an FZ-07R version of the bike, making over 90 hp with small modifications. It's very light to start with and makes a solid 50 ft-lb torque, more than the others.
This was great! Would have been awesome without the loud background music, so I could actually hear what you guys were saying! :)
Suzuki SV650 dethrones the MT-07! :-)
agreed!!
Only for the unremarkable among us
Not anymore the MT 07 has set the standard for 650 beginners now
Suspension is an easy fix looks and engine take a bit more work.
Of those the only one I've no experience of is the WK.. The MT07 build quality IMO is shit compared to the ER6n and SV. The SV650 feels dated. The ER6n is a wolf in sheeps clothing IMO and the best of the bunch by a long shot.. And no, I'm not an ER6n owner but if I was in that category (based on my own personal experience) my choice would be the ER6n.
I just bought a brand new sv650 for my first bike, it was between the z650 , mt07 and sv650, I rode them all and the sv650 was the best ,,followed closely by the yamaha, and last place was the z650, far too much vibration on that, my hands would start aching after a few miles , and looks wise I never like it , the mt07 was brilliant, but for me the sv650 felt more planted and smooth
I test rode the 650sv and the 2018 mt07. The sv wasn't as comfortable for me. The tank size was too much making me reach too far for the bars tiring me out quickly. The fz is a much smoother bike...and the engine is torque-y all the way through. Not a huge power band...it's a linear power curve Imo.
Much more flickable, much more fun to ride, and just all around nice imo. I ended up.buying he 2018 between the two.
I liked the sv, but it fell short in comparison to the mt07 for me
1st: SV all the way! 2nd: that has to be Jon Lord/Deep Purple in the background, right? Anyone know the track name?
Ah so glad I bought my sv650s in 2004 because I've still got it. Yeah a big bore would be nice. But the sv does such a good job. I don't need another bike! honestly.
I have Suzuki SV650 for the last 5 years! I love my bike!
Nice bike!!
Serious question.
When buy a Kawi ER-6N when you have the MT-07 and SV650 on the market?
Because that Kawasaki parallel twin engine is one of the most reliable motorcycle engines and holds its value for a long time. Same engine as the Versys 650, Ninja 650, Z650 and Vulcan 650 S
@@thepsychicpeach8425 The CP2 from Yamaha and the 645cc V twin from Suzuki are far from being unreliable engines and arguably offer more character.
@@OAK_MTN they definitely offer more character but I can 100% assure you that the Kawasaki 650 twin is way more reliable than the SV650 take it from someone who spends time around motorcycle mechanics. V-Twins are one of the least reliable motorcycle engines out there eg Ducati's, Ktm's and Harleys. The Tl1000 engine from suzuki a V-Twin they developed a few years ago is a good example, they're honestly not reliable dude they vibrate themselves to death. The MT 07 definitely keeps working but I can't really give my opinion or experience because they seem to last but ppl also sell them before 20000 km.
@@thepsychicpeach8425 Yeah I've heard about various issues on the 1000cc V-twins Suzuki put in the older SV1000 and TL1000. The 645cc one in the SV and V-Strom is well known to be bullet proof though. Many examples known to go for over 150000 km's with questionnable maintenance.
I think we're going off topic though. As I see it, a 650 class motorcycle seems, to me, to be a strange relationship between impulsivity and reason. My question was more aimed at what kind of owner buys an ER-6N or a Z650? One who's after a nice chassis, purely aesthetics and feel or something else I'm missing out? I'd tend to think, and hope reliability is not the only thing buyers are thinking of.
Because Kawasaki horses always feel bigger, stronger and faster. There's a reason why more TT races prefer the KWAka. 😉
Hello SV or Kawaski owned both at present 2012 er 1999 sv SV wins just makes you better rider and the sound
I've had 2 SV650s and an ER6N. Both are really great bikes but I prefer the ER6N.
Interesting, but why? What things that u like and u don't like about both bikes?
What do you prefer ER6 N?
Well done on getting Milky Quayle!
The ER6 vs SV650.... Stock yeah, the SV will be faster but the ER6 is a way better base for racing and has much more potential if you go all out to modify it. Look at the TT, the ER6 is chosen for a reason.
had the 07 for a year and can echo the comments about the suspension, its bad.
Where is the full review?
look at the description
love sv650
I thought the days of romper suits were over,so yesterday. One of the testers forgot to hang off the bike going round corners he just looked like he was enjoying the ride as opposed to posing.I liked the look of them all and I would guess that being used at normal everyday speeds the brakes suspension and engines would suit 99 percent of riders.
Sv650 all the way!
ER6N the most reliable
That wk certainly looks the part.. Still wouldn't touch it with a barge pole tho..
I,ve owned my MT 07 for 5 years now.I find it a superb all round machine but would agree the suspension is a bit soft for hard riding.
Wk is Chinese constructed!! Do not TOUCH! It's two grand cheaper for a reason.
Chinese is known for copies of everything for a long time, and since they starting spreading their products in everyday's life you see a lot of things who can not stand a few times of use.
Here in South America we have seen a lot of copies of Honda, only that they were Chinese and branded Leopard! I would not risk my life in a Chinese motorcycle.
Er6n 😎 just like mine
all of those bikes are pretty much the same,it comes down to quality over time,fuel efficiency and looks
Always SV
sao todas boas , mas a mt 07 tem um carater mais explosivo, mais sport , em relaçao as suspensoes elas forao melhoradas e se nota bem a diferença , a minha 07 is model. 2020 and use good suspensions,..mas tbm há formas de melhorart ainda mais , trocando molas , fluidos etç,..a sv 650 é tbm a good choice ,..sao as minhas preferidas a suzuki sv 650 e mt 07 , que é a moto que tenho atualmente !
Sv is the best 🙌
Thế cuối cùng là chiếc nào thắng🙄
Look at my big muscly arms 😂😂
SV650 rocks!
about Mt07 the suspension does bring the bike down but there is a upgrade what improve that squishy ride calsport.co.uk/yamaha-mt07-2014/hyperpro-suspension/hyperpro-shocks-and-springs/SB-YA07-5AE/
Yeah but the sv650 is better stock. And in my opinion it's real v twin sounds better than Yamaha's crossplane crankshaft.
+Taijean Moodie but i heard the sv cant stand wheelies because its bad for the engine. thats sad.
aezif dhom nope that's with dry slump motors all modern engines use pressure to send oil around the engine, plus if you think about it no engine can because the oil is all the way at the bottom of the crankshaft.
While I don't want to deny you your right to ride however you like, being able to pull wheelies is not one of my criteria for choosing a motorcycle.
Steve Matsukawa
haha
Er650n I own one
Sv650
Yamaha yamaha is just a hype you fools.