For the less technically inclined, it would be a good idea to include a preset for Audible audiobook specifications ( -23dB to -18dB RMS & -3db Max Peak).
Right on thanks for this! The never-ending balancing act! We LOOOOVVVEEE that automation is now integrated into the project page! This is a game changer for our mastering workflow!!!
Good stuff. The hardest part can be that final leveling of the volumes. It can make the same vocals go from sounding bad (too loud) to sounding perfect at the perfect volume.
When you automatically brought the LUFS level down it also brought down the true peak level. Seems like it is still better to make the adjustment manually with a limiter and therefore have more dynamic range with a true peak of -1.0 db.
I guess it just does exactly what the streaming services will do with your track, which would be good for comparing the results of your master, with how it would sound, after the streaming services lower it to their LUFS standards. So, you'd master it until it sounds good on those exports too.
Thanks. might need to watch a few times. I learn so much from you and GBY. I don't understand the MS transform. thanks for helping explain. Transforms scare me.
Many thanks Joe. That's explained it really well - I was wondering how it worked. I love the other new features in the Project page (Clip Gain Envelopes, Automation, multiple output formats) YAY!!!! SO cool 👍 But I'm not convinced I want to use this Target Loudness feature yet for anything other than a "preview" of what a streaming platform might do to my "carefully"(!) crafted INT and LRA LUFS/LU values on each song in the project. Full disclosure, though: I'm NOT putting my stuff (yet) on any streaming platforms that apply loudness capping 😆 I'll definitely be experimenting with it after watching this vid, though. One of the things I'm wondering is: 1. Song mastered to -10 2. Exported to target -14 3. Re-imported as a new song 4. New Song Normalised What is the INT LUFS of the new song after detect loudness? Is it back to -10? Also, have the LRA LU or the TP L/R values been affected (changed from the original)?
I tried something after watching this video. I adjusted the volume on the track, and it gave me the post LUFS loudness. After clicking the update loudness information, it was -9.0, then -11.6, and I finally got it to -14.6 loudness. This took about 5 seconds.
Awesome video - thank you! I was wondering, like a few others, what is the difference between what Studio One will do to the song if it reduces the LUFS vs what Spotify will do, because I thought you said both routes you're getting "punished" for it being too loud? Thanks, Joe!
yep, i was about to ask the question when i saw this. Dear Presonus, Joe please help clarify. and big big thank you for your amazing products and for always listening to us.
Hi Joe - thanks for the review I came across this feature recently while mastering a new track! However the Spotify was set to -23. Fixed that but looking at the tracks on your video at 10:10 do they show lots of compression as the dynamic range looks very tight.. can you explain or what I am misunderstanding??
Any chance we can get a video track from S1? Is it a big ask? Or is Studio One not for media composers? Tell a client you're using S1 for media and they'll move on to someone who's serious.
Thinks for this video... I have a question that you can communicate to Presonus.... is it possible to have folders in "recent files" to class the songs? this could be a future option in studio one ? thanks
It's crazy how all the streaming sites have different requirements. Do I have to do multiple masters? What is the requirement for radio? How did you get the wave to have full color instead of the all-blue wave? Thanks for the info!
Wow, this is all so very interesting, if I could only find the well-hidden start button. How do you accurately set the volume level of an event? Dragging the volume line isn't accurate at all. I need to be able to either type a specific dB or at least make it gradual. As it is it skips when you drag. You can drag it to -2.1dB but not -2.0dB. What is that? ballparkedness! Is that how it was in analog days too? Did you have to turn a giant knob with your pinky and hope it was at around about where you want it???
Thanks Joe, You mention when LUFS are under a streaming services recommend level (meaning your mix is too loud) the service will lower the volume the results will be an overly mastered song. If the project page now can lower the volume to a specified level wouldn't that also lead to an overly mastered song? In other words isn't the Project page and a steaming service doing the same thing when lowering volume? Thanks a bunch
@@marymoon96 Yes, well mostly. The challenge is that this feature is 'unlikely' to have the same algorithm as Spotify so it won't be an exact match, but close enough. It also doesn't factor in the difference between album normalisation and 'playlist' normalisation (my terminology isn't correct here, it's been a long day), but it will get you in the ball park.
I think you are correct. Perhaps the benefit of doing it in Studio One is that no further processing will be required by the streaming service, and you will know exactly what your mix sounds like.
@@zachandtomdad In theory that would be great, but as there is no 'true' standard in place (hence why the platforms all have different levels), then it won't work in practice, unless the Digital Distributors allow you to submit individual tracks for each platform. The Industry certainly needs to move forward with this to make it easier for all.
Wonder if Joe or anyone can explain this for me. When I listen to a track in song or project mode, it's loud and punchy but when I mixdown or digital release then play the song in a Windows player...its much quiter?
I have the same question. I was wondering if Studio One makes some adjustment so it doesn't sound like it would if Spotify made the adjustment and ruining the dynamic range.
You will loose some bits of "resolution" by exporting it with this face palm feature enabled. If you are aiming for more dynamic like -14LUFS, do so by not hiting your final limiter so hard. This feature is extremely lame and will be avoided until done properly. This is not even close to the finish line.
Spotify punish your audio to target level -11LUFS. Note that during Spotify Loud setting your audio will if lower than target be pushed up into Spotifys limiter until your audio hits the target. Spotifys own limiter is considered to be quite bad.
G’day Joe, When exporting multiple file types, is it possible to set target loudness for the individual files, or does each file need to be exported separately with its loudness set?
Do you have the version of Studio One that can do masters? You can find this in the Project, and then there is a button at the top called "Digital Release." I think you might have to have Studio One Professional to do the Project/Mastering. I have the professional version, so I don't know if the Artist version has it or not?
@@robertocastrodelpozo7247 yes, that is what I meant. So when you are done mixing in the song section, you create the project under the Song menu, that will open the Project screen and you’ll see the Digital Release button at the top.
Off topic, the selected track in normal recording page is louder than the other tracks, and changes as you move to another track...am i missing something?
That is a very useful feature. Its so unfortunate that I have version 4 professional (which I love) but still have to pay for any new versions. Free updates would be awesome.
@@ReginaldKSon Selling hardware? Actually, I don't care - I'm fine with paying for updates as long as the updates are worth it, they're not forced on me (I can stay on the old version until I'm ready) and it's not full price each time (which it isn't)
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Would love for target loudness to also be an option in the normal "song" export dialog
Right. It's super loud in the daw, and you export it at a different volume.
I like your way to explain when you use your hands, thanks man
Well said Joe. Well said.
For the less technically inclined, it would be a good idea to include a preset for Audible audiobook specifications ( -23dB to -18dB RMS & -3db Max Peak).
Thank you, thank you thank you!
The loudness war is over, and loudness won.
This guy improved my EQ problems. Thank you Man.
Hey any time fren
This was very helpful!
Thanks for all
Thank you again so very much!
Awesome ! Thanks for continuing to improve and add these great features! Super Helpful
been trying to find this out, this well, for ages !
Right on thanks for this! The never-ending balancing act! We LOOOOVVVEEE that automation is now integrated into the project page! This is a game changer for our mastering workflow!!!
Excellent details! Thank you Joe!
Awesome tutorial Joe, Thank you!
Terrific explanation!
altough very technical, your explanations are very clearly explained even for the average sound technician I am. Thanks a lot for that
Good stuff. The hardest part can be that final leveling of the volumes. It can make the same vocals go from sounding bad (too loud) to sounding perfect at the perfect volume.
When you automatically brought the LUFS level down it also brought down the true peak level. Seems like it is still better to make the adjustment manually with a limiter and therefore have more dynamic range with a true peak of -1.0 db.
I guess it just does exactly what the streaming services will do with your track, which would be good for comparing the results of your master, with how it would sound, after the streaming services lower it to their LUFS standards. So, you'd master it until it sounds good on those exports too.
@@architechproducer Better yet, master at the service's required loudness with a TP of -1db so they don't have to change it.
Hi, Bravo and Merci for these LUFS explanation being over or lower of the choosen target , putting down volume or Limit )) Thanks 👍
great explination
Almost didn’t notice you with the hat on lol
Thanks. might need to watch a few times. I learn so much from you and GBY. I don't understand the MS transform. thanks for helping explain. Transforms scare me.
Many thanks Joe. That's explained it really well - I was wondering how it worked.
I love the other new features in the Project page (Clip Gain Envelopes, Automation, multiple output formats) YAY!!!! SO cool 👍
But I'm not convinced I want to use this Target Loudness feature yet for anything other than a "preview" of what a streaming platform might do to my "carefully"(!) crafted INT and LRA LUFS/LU values on each song in the project.
Full disclosure, though: I'm NOT putting my stuff (yet) on any streaming platforms that apply loudness capping 😆
I'll definitely be experimenting with it after watching this vid, though.
One of the things I'm wondering is:
1. Song mastered to -10
2. Exported to target -14
3. Re-imported as a new song
4. New Song Normalised
What is the INT LUFS of the new song after detect loudness? Is it back to -10?
Also, have the LRA LU or the TP L/R values been affected (changed from the original)?
Please add this feature to song page also.
I tried something after watching this video. I adjusted the volume on the track, and it gave me the post LUFS loudness. After clicking the update loudness information, it was -9.0, then -11.6, and I finally got it to -14.6 loudness. This took about 5 seconds.
It would be cool to see a walk through where your track was outside Spotify Limits (too loud) and then bringing it in range etc.
The loudness war is over. Dan Worrall won it.
And made a great victory speech with his velvety voice.
When it’s freezing in your studio you still got this head. 😄
Sorry I mean hat.
Is this a feature that can be used to maintain ACX requirements of volume?
Awesome video - thank you! I was wondering, like a few others, what is the difference between what Studio One will do to the song if it reduces the LUFS vs what Spotify will do, because I thought you said both routes you're getting "punished" for it being too loud? Thanks, Joe!
yep, i was about to ask the question when i saw this. Dear Presonus, Joe please help clarify. and big big thank you for your amazing products and for always listening to us.
Thanks ! What kind of dithering does ST1 apply on mastering when I use one of these target loudness presets ??
Hi Joe - thanks for the review I came across this feature recently while mastering a new track! However the Spotify was set to -23. Fixed that but looking at the tracks on your video at 10:10 do they show lots of compression as the dynamic range looks very tight.. can you explain or what I am misunderstanding??
Any chance we can get a video track from S1? Is it a big ask? Or is Studio One not for media composers? Tell a client you're using S1 for media and they'll move on to someone who's serious.
Thinks for this video... I have a question that you can communicate to Presonus.... is it possible to have folders in "recent files" to class the songs? this could be a future option in studio one ? thanks
It's crazy how all the streaming sites have different requirements. Do I have to do multiple masters? What is the requirement for radio? How did you get the wave to have full color instead of the all-blue wave? Thanks for the info!
Wow, this is all so very interesting, if I could only find the well-hidden start button. How do you accurately set the volume level of an event? Dragging the volume line isn't accurate at all. I need to be able to either type a specific dB or at least make it gradual. As it is it skips when you drag. You can drag it to -2.1dB but not -2.0dB. What is that? ballparkedness! Is that how it was in analog days too? Did you have to turn a giant knob with your pinky and hope it was at around about where you want it???
Thanks Joe, You mention when LUFS are under a streaming services recommend level (meaning your mix is too loud) the service will lower the volume the results will be an overly mastered song. If the project page now can lower the volume to a specified level wouldn't that also lead to an overly mastered song? In other words isn't the Project page and a steaming service doing the same thing when lowering volume? Thanks a bunch
I have the same question.
@@marymoon96 Yes, well mostly. The challenge is that this feature is 'unlikely' to have the same algorithm as Spotify so it won't be an exact match, but close enough. It also doesn't factor in the difference between album normalisation and 'playlist' normalisation (my terminology isn't correct here, it's been a long day), but it will get you in the ball park.
I think you are correct. Perhaps the benefit of doing it in Studio One is that no further processing will be required by the streaming service, and you will know exactly what your mix sounds like.
@@zachandtomdad In theory that would be great, but as there is no 'true' standard in place (hence why the platforms all have different levels), then it won't work in practice, unless the Digital Distributors allow you to submit individual tracks for each platform. The Industry certainly needs to move forward with this to make it easier for all.
Wonder if Joe or anyone can explain this for me. When I listen to a track in song or project mode, it's loud and punchy but when I mixdown or digital release then play the song in a Windows player...its much quiter?
Sir incase out track -16 -17db is there we selected spotify and export it automatically converted to -14db and can we upload to that plat form..??
What would be the difference of Studio One turning down your master vs Spotify turning down your master?? Can you explain the difference?
I have the same question. I was wondering if Studio One makes some adjustment so it doesn't sound like it would if Spotify made the adjustment and ruining the dynamic range.
You will loose some bits of "resolution" by exporting it with this face palm feature enabled. If you are aiming for more dynamic like -14LUFS, do so by not hiting your final limiter so hard. This feature is extremely lame and will be avoided until done properly. This is not even close to the finish line.
Question. I own 4.6. If i go subscription going forward do I lose my 4.6 copy?
Hey Joe, can you shed some light on Spotify Loud?
Spotify punish your audio to target level -11LUFS. Note that during Spotify Loud setting your audio will if lower than target be pushed up into Spotifys limiter until your audio hits the target. Spotifys own limiter is considered to be quite bad.
In Studio One 6.5 Adjust Loudness menu has changed, no Spotify, no iTunes preset. Why is that??
G’day Joe,
When exporting multiple file types, is it possible to set target loudness for the individual files, or does each file need to be exported separately with its loudness set?
why would the value be different for different file types?
@@roycephantom8563 Because Apple, Spotify, CDs and a few other use different target loudness.
Hey Presonus! When will you make DVW(digital video workstation)? for working with video?😊 Because you make amazing products!
Where do I find that menu? I can not find it. what plugin are you using to measure loudness?
Do you have the version of Studio One that can do masters? You can find this in the Project, and then there is a button at the top called "Digital Release." I think you might have to have Studio One Professional to do the Project/Mastering. I have the professional version, so I don't know if the Artist version has it or not?
@@marymoon96 I have S1 pro last version. Is that what you meant? or is it another version of S1 just for mastering?
@@robertocastrodelpozo7247 yes, that is what I meant. So when you are done mixing in the song section, you create the project under the Song menu, that will open the Project screen and you’ll see the Digital Release button at the top.
Off topic, the selected track in normal recording page is louder than the other tracks, and changes as you move to another track...am i missing something?
had the input selected...what a dope:)
Love studio 5 professional but I been using studio one since version 2
That is a very useful feature. Its so unfortunate that I have version 4 professional (which I love) but still have to pay for any new versions. Free updates would be awesome.
I've been telling Chrystler that same thing for years but I'm still driving my 15 yr old truck and no updates 😒
And money for nuthin and chick for free!
@@keiljazz 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
And they would stay in business how?
@@ReginaldKSon Selling hardware?
Actually, I don't care - I'm fine with paying for updates as long as the updates are worth it, they're not forced on me (I can stay on the old version until I'm ready) and it's not full price each time (which it isn't)
I'm not impressed!
I need something like Apple tool "AURoundTrip AAC "
but for Window's User!