He should have put it up against charged RC models! )) The opponents are specially selected to be unequal in order to cause an argument in the comments. What are you ready to go for in order to promote your video and your channel?
Internet Explorer (Made In 1996) In 1996: IM DA FASTEST BROWSER CUZ I USE 9V LEGO MOTARS! Internet Explorer now: Ok maybe not.. Google (Made In 1998) In 1998 OOF i Think Im slower than I.E. Google now: In da speed Of light Cuz i use PF motors 😎
Another awesome video, in this case showing the ingenuity of an MOC builder. I will be honest, given that this is what Lego do for a business, I expected a better result from them. Well done on beating the big boys at their own game once again. Keep up the great work Sariel.
The thing is we feel, like connect with individual people better than something that we feel came out of a machine. So we think a MOC Is a lot better. If you bought the big yellow technic truck 42099 There is an awesome moc call “ROCKY” and I would highly recommend buying the instructions for that.
@@tjzp Price may be an issue for MOCs, but if similar set was created by Lego at around 10 cents/piece, they usually would be affordable. Unfortunately Ural is probably too "military" for Lego...
@@EvanMoon Some sets by Lego are awesome. Some other sets like this truck on the video are far from that. It is too slow with poor ground clearance and unsatisfactory turning radius. All those MOCs seem to perform much better. Of course we don't know, what would be price of such a set...
Well, it's nice to see lego giving trial trucks a go and at least it could handle most of those obstacles even if it handled them worse than the MOC's. And even they fell over a few times so it's clearly hard going. But it seems they've still got a lot to learn if they're going to make anything that can really keep up.
The Zetros' performance is disappointing but not surprising. That said I do think the set is a decent starting point for building a trial truck. Some relatively minor changes would probably improve its performance quite a bit, even if the base set is already rather expensive as is. I do think seeing a differential lock in a official set is just cool. The designers have to straddle a thin line between form, function and price. MOC designers aren't beholden to these restrictions or at least not to the same extend. I'll probably get the set and try my hand at fixing/improving it. Sounds like a fun project.
Conclusion: Zetros is a fricking joke! It is so slow, has so small ground clerance between wheels, its turning radius is terrible and it flips everywhere. But still better than 6 wheel off road tow truck with pf, that cant eben drive on a gravel.
You have saved me $400, so thank you. I built an Actros 4X4 Expedition using your (brilliant) locking live axle design (front and rear) and am loving it. Cost me absolutely nothing too.
It may be just a coincidence, but the Zetros seems less tumbly. Where the other trucks keep rolling and rolling when they tip over, the Zetros stops and just lies there, or even more impressively, lands back on its wheels. The turning radius is absolutely embarrassing, though. And so is the loose engine cover.
The zetros was also designed to look good, and while it does accomplish this, it means it is extremely front heavy and has a much higher center of gravity, especially compared to its wheel size
Being not familiar with FIAT off-road range, mistaken it for GAZ-66... And was surprized with third axle on profile shot :) But, I think, it's frame is too skinny. Also, my teeth clenched by reflex when 37.5 was tipping on obstacle 3
Awch the Zetros… it is fucked like an animal! 😅 Finally some metal vibes again! Great video Sariel, go go go! You will dominate RUclips; all my support!
@@searme I know, I’m following you for about 5 years by now and see what’s your point. Just wanted to support you like all of us - and hoping domination is the way to go. You deserve it!
Zetros ma za małe opony i za mały kont rampowy. Ciekawa byla by modyfikacja jego, tak jak w prawdziwych terenówkach, pondnieszenie zaweszenia, zmiana opon na wieksze, a w jego przypadku to może przerobienie w cięzarówke 6x6, chociaz w takim razie to z oryginalnego zestwu zostanie głownie nadwozie i może przednia oś. To może takie wyzwanie na następny odcinek: poprawić jego zdolności terenowe. Powodzenia😉
Zetros set can be found now at 150euros or less (got one at 125euro for the kid For Xmas), For sure it misses 1 axis, XL motors instead of L (lower gear ratio and more speed), bigger Wheels and more ground clearance, to start to be a correct trial truck. Lego limitations are esthetic, ressemblance to the original truck and cost. Would be interesting to know the price of the Ural, Mod plan+pieces.
Despite the effectiveness of lego technic RCs, we can all agree that the build quality is always solid. It’s quite difficult to take apart some of the technic sets .
No question the MOC designers are superb. But LEGO / TECHNIC seems to focus more on the build experience, rather than performance. They are not an RC, more of a model. The LEGO designers are also limited by constraints of cost / production / marketing / licensing / legal and the need to keep 20,000 people employed.
@@parasbuy7496 I agree, but instead of just looking at high margins they somehow forgot to look at customer needs and playability. At least they could have added one more axle. If they are just aiming for a exhibition Model they could have skipped all that c+ thingy. In my opinion the actual tow truck is the better deal.
im shore alot of us watching this can make a better off-roader than lego and for less than 300 euro. a well made video to you sariel. it would off bean more fun if you and the other guys all had MOC'S and went off-roading together that would have bean fun to watch.
It wasn’t “too” bad, I think Lego don’t really make them powerful enough. It really does have an awful turning radius, I’ve made 8 wheeled vehicles that turn tighter.
And LEGO states that “the system is plastic, so the system would break down if it’s too powerful”, which solves the reason LEGO adds safety features (like open diffs and clutches), and doesn’t makes them powerful:
We need to remember that the Zetros remains a kid's toy, and that it has to follow all kinds of crazy regulations to enter the production line (as we saw with many ideas sets). Still it remains a mistery why Lego didn't use bigger tyres. This truck looks like somebody who skipped leg day
I wonder if the new Buwizz unit would make the Zetros any better. Because right now, it's just a laughing stock of a Trial Truck. Only thing it has over the mocs is that it's a bit more rugged.
Totally agree, lego should have introduced new shock absorbers that are mid hardness between the hard and soft shocks, it would have made it so much better and would have added so much more value to the set
nice work! now you need to beef it up with some of the mods you were mentioning in the debut video, ie. tires, front diff delete, softer suspension/higher up, etc. and then repeat the tests!
Nice to see some Trial trucks on here once more. Why did you not bring the Wranglers along? (Apart from the focus of this video to be about the comparison of the set ofc)
Sariel you did put your money where your mouth is.... Respect You concluded the Zetros was well... crap and you backed it up with a test to prove it. I actually like Milan's previous designs so puzzled what went wrong here. Probably the bean counters went after it with a hacksaw
It's just hilarious at this point how bad at designing the lego technic team is. They have all the parts, they can have new types of parts if needed, they have all the knowledge and still their model is just so bad at what it's supposed to do. How on earth is this possible when there are so many supertalented moc builders out there?
I think it is on purpose. They will give you e.g. just locking diff in one model, so you need to buy another model to have transmission and another to have better tires, etc. This way you are basically still buying new models and learning new stuff. If you buy some chinese copy, you will get complete trial truck, but you do not need to buy anything new or try to build something better, because you already have the full package.
The Zetros mainly loosed because of his bad tires. Would be nice to see how he does with bigger Offroad-tyres like on RM8 Brick Garage's first test drive.
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U turn test made me laugh. Zetros is like Internet Explorer between other browsers :D
Pretty sure even that performs better xD
He should have put it up against charged RC models! )) The opponents are specially selected to be unequal in order to cause an argument in the comments. What are you ready to go for in order to promote your video and your channel?
That's the LEGO is all about.
@@igornechaev8899 whats a charged rc model? like battery status?
Internet Explorer (Made In 1996) In 1996: IM DA FASTEST BROWSER CUZ I USE 9V LEGO MOTARS! Internet Explorer now: Ok maybe not.. Google (Made In 1998) In 1998 OOF i Think Im slower than I.E. Google now: In da speed Of light Cuz i use PF motors 😎
In conclusion, it's a nice display piece that can get over anything you throw at it as longs as it's carpet or a thin book.
Except it’s not a nice display piece, it looks terrible
I laughed so hard my neighbours heard.
Another awesome video, in this case showing the ingenuity of an MOC builder. I will be honest, given that this is what Lego do for a business, I expected a better result from them. Well done on beating the big boys at their own game once again. Keep up the great work Sariel.
I would rather buy any of those MOCs than the actual Lego set.
price of parts for some of those moc sets is through the roof though.
The thing is we feel, like connect with individual people better than something that we feel came out of a machine. So we think a MOC Is a lot better. If you bought the big yellow technic truck 42099 There is an awesome moc call “ROCKY” and I would highly recommend buying the instructions for that.
@@EvanMoon Thanks for the recommendation!! I just checked it out
@@tjzp Price may be an issue for MOCs, but if similar set was created by Lego at around 10 cents/piece, they usually would be affordable. Unfortunately Ural is probably too "military" for Lego...
@@EvanMoon Some sets by Lego are awesome. Some other sets like this truck on the video are far from that. It is too slow with poor ground clearance and unsatisfactory turning radius. All those MOCs seem to perform much better. Of course we don't know, what would be price of such a set...
Good idea to compare the official set truck with MOC trucks. Maybe LEGO will learn from this when making it's next trial truck in future
Lego just learns how much money for crap will their customers pay...
Official lego sets have different goals than MOC so there really is no point comparing them other than entertainment.
Those slow-mos look like scenes from Transformers. Also, the Snails have done a really good job!
Well, it's nice to see lego giving trial trucks a go and at least it could handle most of those obstacles even if it handled them worse than the MOC's. And even they fell over a few times so it's clearly hard going. But it seems they've still got a lot to learn if they're going to make anything that can really keep up.
This is a fine showcase of the difference between designing a model that sells and engineering a model that works.
THIS is the video I was waiting for from the moment I saw that the Zetros will be a trial truck!
The Zetros' performance is disappointing but not surprising. That said I do think the set is a decent starting point for building a trial truck. Some relatively minor changes would probably improve its performance quite a bit, even if the base set is already rather expensive as is. I do think seeing a differential lock in a official set is just cool.
The designers have to straddle a thin line between form, function and price. MOC designers aren't beholden to these restrictions or at least not to the same extend. I'll probably get the set and try my hand at fixing/improving it. Sounds like a fun project.
How has Lego not hired you guys yet? Y’all’s engineering is insane!
Conclusion: Zetros is a fricking joke! It is so slow, has so small ground clerance between wheels, its turning radius is terrible and it flips everywhere. But still better than 6 wheel off road tow truck with pf, that cant eben drive on a gravel.
Yeah Lego has been quite disappointing for a while now!
You have saved me $400, so thank you. I built an Actros 4X4 Expedition using your (brilliant) locking live axle design (front and rear) and am loving it. Cost me absolutely nothing too.
Glad to help!
You are living my brick dream! Fantastic video! :)
Awesome video, the zetros actually did better than I thought.
I love those trucks, Nice test Sariel!
It may be just a coincidence, but the Zetros seems less tumbly. Where the other trucks keep rolling and rolling when they tip over, the Zetros stops and just lies there, or even more impressively, lands back on its wheels.
The turning radius is absolutely embarrassing, though. And so is the loose engine cover.
The zetros was also designed to look good, and while it does accomplish this, it means it is extremely front heavy and has a much higher center of gravity, especially compared to its wheel size
Your videos are finally showing up in my recommendations again
That's great, except that the traffic on this video makes me want to quit RUclips.
@@searme whats the issue with the traffic? I'm not a RUclipsr so I am not sure what you are talking about
Being not familiar with FIAT off-road range, mistaken it for GAZ-66... And was surprized with third axle on profile shot :) But, I think, it's frame is too skinny. Also, my teeth clenched by reflex when 37.5 was tipping on obstacle 3
Awch the Zetros… it is fucked like an animal! 😅 Finally some metal vibes again! Great video Sariel, go go go! You will dominate RUclips; all my support!
Thanks but 6000 views is more like "what's the point of running this channel?" than "dominating RUclips".
@@searme I know, I’m following you for about 5 years by now and see what’s your point. Just wanted to support you like all of us - and hoping domination is the way to go. You deserve it!
Thanks mate.
The suspension in the custom ones were so ooooo satisfying!
Official Lego trial truck pales into insignificance when placed against those awesome MOCs. What a great video!
Zetros ma za małe opony i za mały kont rampowy.
Ciekawa byla by modyfikacja jego, tak jak w prawdziwych terenówkach, pondnieszenie zaweszenia, zmiana opon na wieksze, a w jego przypadku to może przerobienie w cięzarówke 6x6, chociaz w takim razie to z oryginalnego zestwu zostanie głownie nadwozie i może przednia oś. To może takie wyzwanie na następny odcinek: poprawić jego zdolności terenowe. Powodzenia😉
I'm from Italy so I really enjoyed seeing a fiat truck, however nice video
It was very heartwarming to see Urals, but Zetros is so beautiful...
Zetros set can be found now at 150euros or less (got one at 125euro for the kid For Xmas), For sure it misses 1 axis, XL motors instead of L (lower gear ratio and more speed), bigger Wheels and more ground clearance, to start to be a correct trial truck.
Lego limitations are esthetic, ressemblance to the original truck and cost.
Would be interesting to know the price of the Ural, Mod plan+pieces.
The only solution found to fixing the stability of the Zetros’s rear axle without a complete rebuild is to lower the ground clearance by 0.5 studs.
Awesome intro, and yeah, that U-turn test was a joke. As were most of these contests. Poor little guy just can't hang...
1:10 Someone hasn't read his Apple license agreement
TLG seeing this: "Our product is meant to be played inside home."
Despite the effectiveness of lego technic RCs, we can all agree that the build quality is always solid. It’s quite difficult to take apart some of the technic sets .
at obstacle two i knew exactly how this would end
Nice Video and cool custom tricks👍
Lego is just a piece of junk compared to these MOC‘s. Compliments to the designer of these Moc‘s!
No question the MOC designers are superb. But LEGO / TECHNIC seems to focus more on the build experience, rather than performance. They are not an RC, more of a model. The LEGO designers are also limited by constraints of cost / production / marketing / licensing / legal and the need to keep 20,000 people employed.
@@parasbuy7496 I agree, but instead of just looking at high margins they somehow forgot to look at customer needs and playability. At least they could have added one more axle. If they are just aiming for a exhibition Model they could have skipped all that c+ thingy. In my opinion the actual tow truck is the better deal.
Awesome video
im shore alot of us watching this can make a better off-roader than lego and for less than 300 euro.
a well made video to you sariel. it would off bean more fun if you and the other guys all had MOC'S and went off-roading together
that would have bean fun to watch.
Amazing!!
i love your trial trucks videos
6x6 is much better and cooler! Why can Lego for 300€ not put in an extra driven Axle and why we just get 4x4?
I'm sure now everybody wants to see 1-hour version of old school true truck trial competition!
Be my guest: ruclips.net/video/oDhpqbEIoPc/видео.html&ab_channel=Sariel%27sBricks%26Pets
It wasn’t “too” bad, I think Lego don’t really make them powerful enough. It really does have an awful turning radius, I’ve made 8 wheeled vehicles that turn tighter.
And LEGO states that “the system is plastic, so the system would break down if it’s too powerful”, which solves the reason LEGO adds safety features (like open diffs and clutches), and doesn’t makes them powerful:
Good suspension and large wheels👍
We need to remember that the Zetros remains a kid's toy, and that it has to follow all kinds of crazy regulations to enter the production line (as we saw with many ideas sets). Still it remains a mistery why Lego didn't use bigger tyres. This truck looks like somebody who skipped leg day
We need to remember that most parents will not be able to buy their kids a 300€ toy. So the main target group are probably adults.
@@brickphisto2321 Kinda true now that I think about it. Well, even this year we will get a proper off road truck next year
@@brickphisto2321 300€ is almost the price of a Nintendo Switch (or a used video game console).
I wonder if the new Buwizz unit would make the Zetros any better. Because right now, it's just a laughing stock of a Trial Truck. Only thing it has over the mocs is that it's a bit more rugged.
Lego's decades of stuffing the same double wishbone into absolutely everything have finally caught up to them. What even ARE those live axles???
Totally agree, lego should have introduced new shock absorbers that are mid hardness between the hard and soft shocks, it would have made it so much better and would have added so much more value to the set
But mid-hardness LEGO shock absorbers exist and have been around for years. They just didn't use them here.
@@searme yeah, but what is that live axle?
nice work! now you need to beef it up with some of the mods you were mentioning in the debut video, ie. tires, front diff delete, softer suspension/higher up, etc. and then repeat the tests!
Nine Inch Snails... Ha! Love it! The MOCs are awesome.
Yay new video
Very nice content! Also, where is a good site to get 3rd party tires? Looking for the 4x4 xtreme offroader. Thank you!
www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?/forums/topic/70865-third-party-tires-for-lego-technic-rims/
@@searme thank you so much! Cheers and more power!
I see just how much of a difference there is.
Need a motorised 8110 to test with these.
If all of you guys in the video made a trial truck it would be the ultimate trail truck
Very good video! I want to see one of your MOC battle it out
I like this song what is it called?
My fav is the ural next
do you have any pictures of that praga?, mostly interested in chassis
To be fair, in my experience, Mercedes tend to have terrible turn radius, so maybe this is the design flaw of the vehicle it is based on?
But it shouldn't be that bad, also iff that is an intended feature that would be pretty sad
Can I Buy One? Of the MOCs that is
Well… I still think the zetros is still an awesome set because it tells people what not to do on their own builds… lol
Haha exactly
Nice to see some Trial trucks on here once more.
Why did you not bring the Wranglers along? (Apart from the focus of this video to be about the comparison of the set ofc)
For one because I didn't build a Wrangler, I've built a Willis and we had limited time.
Did you lose any parts?
One side mirror.
all of them are releasing the throttle when their rear stands up. You need to punch the throttle if the back is lifting and stop slowly
Sariel you did put your money where your mouth is.... Respect
You concluded the Zetros was well... crap and you backed it up with a test to prove it.
I actually like Milan's previous designs so puzzled what went wrong here. Probably the bean counters went after it with a hacksaw
Do anyone know, the name of the musik in this video?
Thank you for labor
HI seriel. where can i find the builders, RUclips, or some Lego form like Eurobricks maybe? i would like to see more of these trucks.
LUGPol, mostly, but it's all in Polish.
@@searme i dont know what they are. are they websites
LugPol is a Polish LEGO community and that's where these guys are from. There's a website, too, but it's in Polish.
@@searme ok thank you
How is the projects(A 10 thunderbolt) going 😊
You'll see on Saturday.
Do you think portal axles would be a good addition the the zetros?
Yeah, but they will make it less stable and reduce the gear ratio.
When and where are those truck trials in Warsaw announced?
Why snails?
URAL NEXT is the best!
Yes
I think, the Lego Zetros is the Winner 😏
Wht lego not make faster and stiffer truck?
Does it seem like there's a relatively easy way for adding a third axle to the set?
Nope.
The actual zetros would be better if you put portal hubs and big wheels on it and add an 0.5 to 1kg block on the end
Are the aftermarket custom tires made by RC4WD?
I believe these are Tamiya tires.
@@searme Cool, I will look into that. I am also into RC vehicles, these trial trucks seem similar to RC crawlers performance wise.
amazing!
Was there a reason not to install a third axle?
Money?
do you have MOC build instrunctions ?
No.
I guess low gearing just isn't a substitute for sheer power.
Be honest are you from Poland?
Mate, my videos literally start with a link to my website with a .pl domain. It's not that easy to miss, is it?
This is like obby but your a truck on Roblox, that game is hard man.
Can u do a comparison with 42099?nice vid btw🙂
I feel like this would just show these sets getting stuck on various things. Unmodded 42099 can get stuck on a tuft of grass.
@@searme hmmm I meant 42099 with swapped gears🙂😅
In don’t want to sound rude but it is trail not trial.
You're not rude, you're just wrong: www.europatrucktrial.org/
WOW!!
RC tires (third party tires) have way more grip than lego tires so this comparison is not so useful.
Grip is just one of Zetros' many problems.
Turn radius lmao :D
I guess it was designed just to run on flat floor and look good.
Lego need to see this video. The Zetros could've been great but...............it isn't
Myślałem ze mi się aseto odpaliło przez tą muze xd
lol I feel bad for the Zetros
its just funny how far ahead real radio controlled cars are these things you show in the videos are only impressive because it is lego
Obviously y’all need to put the battery pack near the bottom so that the trucks don’t keep Flipping over, jk
With a proper swing axle and a little more love, Lego could have built a real trial truck here... If it weren't for the word "could have"!
It's just hilarious at this point how bad at designing the lego technic team is. They have all the parts, they can have new types of parts if needed, they have all the knowledge and still their model is just so bad at what it's supposed to do. How on earth is this possible when there are so many supertalented moc builders out there?
I think it is on purpose. They will give you e.g. just locking diff in one model, so you need to buy another model to have transmission and another to have better tires, etc. This way you are basically still buying new models and learning new stuff. If you buy some chinese copy, you will get complete trial truck, but you do not need to buy anything new or try to build something better, because you already have the full package.
this snowrunner update looks ugly as hell, look at those low poly models
One of my goals for the future is to create a Zikz605r MOC down the road :D
The Zetros mainly loosed because of his bad tires. Would be nice to see how he does with bigger Offroad-tyres like on RM8 Brick Garage's first test drive.
It lost because of open diff at front axle and terrible maneuverability. Tires were just one of the problems but not the main one.
bro used the assetto corsa theme, i hate that sound so much, literally made my ears bleed
There's a mute button right there.