@@tifftechtalks I think its because colleges are not adapting to the norms of how our world is now. There are teachers advocating for change but it becomes hard when most of those in higher education and are in charge view the old systems / ways as still accurate. The only time that changes is when those in charge leave, and the ones in our generation implement this new world change to education many years down the line. Ultimately, education is in a pickle right now and I would argue it is not needed as much anymore.
@@tifftechtalks for the now, maybe nothing. For the future, probably when more retire. Right now it seems its more old heads versus new heads butting in. But they cant come to an agreement.
College degrees in my opinion are like the brown paper bag test back in the day. Before you can "get in" or become a member (employee) you must present something (your skin complexion, college degree, e.t.c.)!
Gate keeping comes to mind... Then the drop outs became millionaires without the student loan debt now I think colleges are struggling to "sell" us on the benefits. 🤔
As a person of color, I always feel a sense of guilt commenting on or ignoring optics in the professional space. But regardless of being 2024, some behavior still remains valid. Opportunities are greater, but generally at the lower compensation scale. The challenge remains is to get to the higher end of the scale with better preparation, skill and networking. But your point is fair and valid. Also, I think our group doesn't get serious about career until later in life, after committing to relationship and kids, which adds to the degree of difficulty.
They say no degrees but I just believe that’s only for “certain” people . They will in fact low ball people who are of a certain personnel who are certified with degrees .
My father in law was requested to get an MBA, one of the programs told him he’d be making 6 figures if he did that with them. Couple years forward he does not make 6 figures and demanded the school for compensation because they lied to him. This applies to all levels, they tell you you’re gonna make X amount when you start working and then facing reality is nothing like what they say, as you need to start at entry level and entry level positions pay next to nothing, and is HARD to get in.
I'm sorry to hear about your father in laws experience. This is why I hear people say don't go back to school unless they are going to pay you for schooling or reimburse you I for one took a chance and paid for it while I was working for the company I eventually got promoted but I did it for my long-term career plan not just for that employer.
Its all about Competition! You're gonna need degrees, certifications, and experience, You gotta put yourself in the best shape possible just to get an interview!
This is a great way for employers to get more applicants and pay less for those positions in the long term. Why pay a college grad 85k when I can pay someone with a couple certs 50k?
This is my opinion and some may not agree with me. I feel like when you go to college and you have your goal what you want to become for example, if I wanted to become a doctor then I should only take science and anatomy courses and ofcourse also take those long programs as well. And if I wanted to do something that’s related to math then we should only take math course only. If I want to be a publisher, English teacher, or something that’s related to English, then we should only take reading and writing courses. And the list goes on to other subjects. That’s just my opinion but some may argue that “then that means graduating at college will be super fast!?”
You make a reasonable point. Yes curriculum relevance makes more sense. University tends to focus on knowledge theory. Trade schools traditionally have a better approach of offering hands on practical skills. The pace of technology change requires technologist frequent retooling and realignment.
@@tifftechtalks I'm a seasoned technology professional and I have seen first hand that coming in as an Analyst or Implementer doesn't usually require the broad educational knowledge of degrees BUT as one progresses to a Strategist or Visionary level of his/her career where solutions and policies are defined then the fundamentals of degrees and being well rounded are needed. Besides, the higher people go in their careers the more they become brands or represent brands and at that stage profiles with solid formal education are HUGE... So to answer your question, yes, it is safe to say that ppl without degree can get their foot in the door but should eventually plan on earning a degree... The best leaders never stop learning!
If someone has a computer science degree or degree in I.T. and she or she is worried about competition with someone with just certs and experience; then that speaks more to how the degreed individual isn't the irreplaceable genius he or she thinks oneself to be. Furthermore, there are at least 500K open Cybersecurity jobs in the USA alone and some claim even higher. There's no time for gatekeeping nonsense when a hack is occurring about every 30 seconds somewhere on earth. Trained individuals are needed to fill those positions. Also, the USA isn't the only nation on earth and all other nations have need for cybersecurity professionals as well. Being "educated" should mean having the ability to look beyond surface level to the larger picture.
Totally agree. Certifications offer specialized skills validation and targeted career advancement opportunities. The degree provides broad foundational knowledge, allowing more room to pivot and reach higher salary positions. A smart mix of combined experience, certs and degree is now the go bag for the competitive market.
Thank you for that perspective... Even if companies offer a higher salary, it appears it's just a matter of time until they figure out how to get more work out of you for less money
@@tifftechtalks True for sure, but it remains the candidates obligation to stay vigilante with skills assessment, technical achievements and negotiation skills for optimum salary/benefits valuation.
the degree shows more than only tech competence, it shows a lot more than that. People who do not get degrees likely do not have the long game, and maybe just googlers and limited competence; many people in tech lack basic human skills like follow the law, ethical behaviors, many commit felonies
Agreed. For those that can afford it, the degree will open doors and provide stability and earning potential over the lifetime of the owner. Moving every job tier can be expected to be uber competitive.
Day by day, colleges and those with "higher education" are proving how worthless that degree is.
Thank you for your perspective. I wonder what's impacting this the most?
@@tifftechtalks I think its because colleges are not adapting to the norms of how our world is now.
There are teachers advocating for change but it becomes hard when most of those in higher education and are in charge view the old systems / ways as still accurate. The only time that changes is when those in charge leave, and the ones in our generation implement this new world change to education many years down the line.
Ultimately, education is in a pickle right now and I would argue it is not needed as much anymore.
@DinoSMW thank you for that perspective. I wonder what it will take for higher education to address the these issues?
@@tifftechtalks for the now, maybe nothing. For the future, probably when more retire. Right now it seems its more old heads versus new heads butting in. But they cant come to an agreement.
Until "higher education" divorces itself from indoctrination, degrees will be a Supreme waste of time, money and mental effort.
College degrees in my opinion are like the brown paper bag test back in the day. Before you can "get in" or become a member (employee) you must present something (your skin complexion, college degree, e.t.c.)!
Gate keeping comes to mind... Then the drop outs became millionaires without the student loan debt now I think colleges are struggling to "sell" us on the benefits. 🤔
@@tifftechtalks lol talk to me nice sis
As a person of color, I always feel a sense of guilt commenting on or ignoring optics in the professional space. But regardless of being 2024, some behavior still remains valid. Opportunities are greater, but generally at the lower compensation scale. The challenge remains is to get to the higher end of the scale with better preparation, skill and networking. But your point is fair and valid. Also, I think our group doesn't get serious about career until later in life, after committing to relationship and kids, which adds to the degree of difficulty.
They say no degrees but I just believe that’s only for “certain” people . They will in fact low ball people who are of a certain personnel who are certified with degrees .
My father in law was requested to get an MBA, one of the programs told him he’d be making 6 figures if he did that with them. Couple years forward he does not make 6 figures and demanded the school for compensation because they lied to him.
This applies to all levels, they tell you you’re gonna make X amount when you start working and then facing reality is nothing like what they say, as you need to start at entry level and entry level positions pay next to nothing, and is HARD to get in.
I'm sorry to hear about your father in laws experience. This is why I hear people say don't go back to school unless they are going to pay you for schooling or reimburse you I for one took a chance and paid for it while I was working for the company I eventually got promoted but I did it for my long-term career plan not just for that employer.
I’m just concerned about paying debt back, it’s so disgusting how the meta is rn… great video - earned my sub 👍
Thank you. I wonder if colleges did a better job getting good paying jobs to students if student loan debt would be less of an issue?
Its all about Competition! You're gonna need degrees, certifications, and experience, You gotta put yourself in the best shape possible just to get an interview!
Gotta stay on your toes
This is a great way for employers to get more applicants and pay less for those positions in the long term. Why pay a college grad 85k when I can pay someone with a couple certs 50k?
Good point
This is my opinion and some may not agree with me.
I feel like when you go to college and you have your goal what you want to become for example, if I wanted to become a doctor then I should only take science and anatomy courses and ofcourse also take those long programs as well. And if I wanted to do something that’s related to math then we should only take math course only. If I want to be a publisher, English teacher, or something that’s related to English, then we should only take reading and writing courses. And the list goes on to other subjects.
That’s just my opinion but some may argue that “then that means graduating at college will be super fast!?”
You make a reasonable point. Yes curriculum relevance makes more sense. University tends to focus on knowledge theory. Trade schools traditionally have a better approach of offering hands on practical skills. The pace of technology change requires technologist frequent retooling and realignment.
Degrees are not needed for entering most careers but as you progress in your career degrees are desirable and musts in most cases.
Is it safe to say that ppl without degree that get their foot in the door should eventually plan on earning a degree? Or does it depend?
@@tifftechtalks I'm a seasoned technology professional and I have seen first hand that coming in as an Analyst or Implementer doesn't usually require the broad educational knowledge of degrees BUT as one progresses to a Strategist or Visionary level of his/her career where solutions and policies are defined then the fundamentals of degrees and being well rounded are needed. Besides, the higher people go in their careers the more they become brands or represent brands and at that stage profiles with solid formal education are HUGE... So to answer your question, yes, it is safe to say that ppl without degree can get their foot in the door but should eventually plan on earning a degree... The best leaders never stop learning!
@charlesayodele2407 thank you for those great points!
If someone has a computer science degree or degree in I.T. and she or she is worried about competition with someone with just certs and experience; then that speaks more to how the degreed individual isn't the irreplaceable genius he or she thinks oneself to be. Furthermore, there are at least 500K open Cybersecurity jobs in the USA alone and some claim even higher. There's no time for gatekeeping nonsense when a hack is occurring about every 30 seconds somewhere on earth. Trained individuals are needed to fill those positions. Also, the USA isn't the only nation on earth and all other nations have need for cybersecurity professionals as well. Being "educated" should mean having the ability to look beyond surface level to the larger picture.
Will the next administration bring the requirements back? maybe.....
good question...
Lol. They will adjust the salaries accordingly. Certs and experience gets people talking but a degree gets you the higher pay.
Totally agree. Certifications offer specialized skills validation and targeted career advancement opportunities. The degree provides broad foundational knowledge, allowing more room to pivot and reach higher salary positions. A smart mix of combined experience, certs and degree is now the go bag for the competitive market.
Thank you for that perspective... Even if companies offer a higher salary, it appears it's just a matter of time until they figure out how to get more work out of you for less money
@@tifftechtalks True for sure, but it remains the candidates obligation to stay vigilante with skills assessment, technical achievements and negotiation skills for optimum salary/benefits valuation.
the degree shows more than only tech competence, it shows a lot more than that. People who do not get degrees likely do not have the long game, and maybe just googlers and limited competence; many people in tech lack basic human skills like follow the law, ethical behaviors, many commit felonies
Agreed. For those that can afford it, the degree will open doors and provide stability and earning potential over the lifetime of the owner. Moving every job tier can be expected to be uber competitive.
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