Wow. This review was really worth every second of watching. You dig into it all and focus on what riders concern most. Really good work. Thanks a ton, Jon. :)
Hey James, I haven't had the chance to make the video so here's a quick summary. It's the Shoei NXR-2 or RF1400 in other regions. This is a proper helmet. my IXS trigger FF summer helmet is a MTB helmet not very sturdy. The IXS amazingly light and airflow is nuts, fidlock
Thanks Jon, for me the best and most thorough review I've seen yet on any euc! Although still quite a few nasty negatives, you finally convinced me to step over from my v11 to sherman S! Thanks again for the hard work and time you put into this video. 👍
Hey Jon, thanks for the shout out. Personally, i used a very thin piece of plastic that filled the whole width of the mudgard holder. It was a PITA to cut to fit, but it wont bulge and it even close the small cuts under the motor cable. Not sure how well the rectancular piece you siliconed in place will hold though 😮. I can send you pictures of how mine looks like.
Hey Matt, yeah send pics! I was looking to place the plastic across the entire face. It appeared the suspension was slightly recessed into that channel and that's why I inset it. True! I figure it may fall out but decided it wouldn't cause a crash etc so I'd try that position. Cheers
I now have 2200 miles on my ShermanS, i donated my V8s & V11 to a family in Tenn sense i can't see myself riding something slower should i ever need the extra power and speed. At 250lbs i regularly get 70 miles to a charge doing a mix of high speed 40+ and normal riding. I use my bluetooth earbuds to hear the beeps in my helmet using the EUC WORLD APP. I do wish for at least a 126v sherman as i have seen the 134v Commander Pro is the same in all other respects to the SS, but i can live with what i have as my demands for more power is not that often. The Sur-ron seat with the front cut off to view the screen offers the best most comfortable seated riding experience. In EUC World app set battery percent in alarms to 20% so after the battery has given you 80% of it capacity you'll get beep when you're in the last 20%. THIS IS A GREAT VIDEO AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK MAKING IT!! 😃
Hi Darren, good to hear! The V11 is great mid ranger and i've recently done the same. Loaned it out for others to learn on! Good info cheers. Very interested in improving my seat. I wonder if some of my complaints fall to the side if you're a bigger person that can handle the ShermS weight better? Have a good one, jono
Yeah! The review format of this video is perfect _cheff kiss_ Felt like a very good review for new people who are interrested in getting an EUC and for more expert riders! the way you explain things is spot on! Keep it coming buddy, the effort and passion you've put in the video is inspiring!
I have V13 and Sherman S I love Sherman S the most .... V13 have range problem but is very stable a high speeds. Sherman S is the winner since its a fun generator with amazing acceleration. Sherman S is more versatile, more practical and more fum than the V13 . If you want to go fast as hell on roads V13 is clearly better. Slow riding V13 is not good - its a speedy wheel. I remember how my SHerman OG rim selfdestructed so Im a little carefull with stairs. Sherman S seat is a yoga block. Try using both grabhandles for seated riding when you want to accellerate og decellerate For emergency braking stand up first then brake... Just my 2 c... Thx for nice video. I hope rain will not kill the bearings like it did on kingsong s22.
Oh nice comparison. Is the V13 slimmer and more ergonomic around the top of the shell? haha wild 2 handed acceleration! I have toyed with that idea but have a mental block because it seems sketchy! yea I definitely stand with grab handle for harder braking. The bearings have a good chance with the grease and covers. Should hold up. Cheers!
@@jonoeuc Ergonomic is a laff really; I only ride V13 in seated position - its so bloody heavy I get lower back problems if I stand up too much of the riding time. V13 can easily and comfortably do 80 kmh and be stable, Sherman S is not builld for that kind of speed I find. I love all my wheels except the Kingsong s22. Inmotion V11 for ch8ill rides - Sherman S for off roading and longer trips. V13 for fast as hell road riding. The best of em is def Sherman S.
@jonpurcell6838 it's going great. I was anticipating a weigh adjustment but I was still put off a bit by it. Took only a handful of miles to get acclimated though. I feel much more stable at speed now which is what I was looking for so I'm happy there. I think I could use just a tad more low down torque for slower maneuvering but I'm happy overall. I went with the k340a street rire and it has a strong gyro at about 20mph+. It doesn't lean much in the turns so it does require body/knee shifting.
@@mikeswehla2709 good times! thanks for the update oh also I reckon the K262 offroad likely has an even bigger gyro effect. I could feel it surging over 60kmh, particularly over bumps
If the Sherman S doesn’t have enough power for you now not many options. Patton, smaller wheel less stable at speed, range and top speed, V13 heavier, range, can be difficult to excess power, EX30 ticks many boxes but quality, reliability, safety - new wheel though and meant to be a step in the right direction. I went the same route, V11 to Sherman S but only have a fraction of your mileage so power plenty for me. Plus the suspension is no work and superb. Great, detailed review👍
Thanks Steve, spot on. What i'm wondering is if the ShermS was 126V would that pretty much be the perfect package. By increasing the responsiveness and ability to brake and accelerate. Definitely still enjoying it :) cheers
got all answers on the sherman S , of any question i would have in mind. Just like to mention one, charging is very loud, and i can't charge such a wheel, in my tiny appartment of 10 meter square in paris. Maybe i could change part of the charger to make it less loud, but that is sad, just to think i will have to do that on day one, after paying more then 4000 Euros. Just an example of how detailed this video is 👍, because Jon let you hear the noise of the charger. Now i know it would be unbearable. Other then that as espected the Sherman S is an outstanding wheel. Now i need to look for a new flat 😄 Thanks much Jon, outstanding job.
I had the same headlamp problems on my Sherman Max so I replaced the stock light with an aftermarket Jeep fog lamp. Fog lamps are great because the beam stays low, out of opposing traffic and doesn't blind other people's eyes.
@@jonoeuc There are lots of aftermarket jeep fog lamps on the market. The fog lamp is made to be mounted low and beam doesn't project up, so it won't blind drivers in a fog. A 4" 30w fog lamp fits perfectly in the mounting area and it was easy to secure with zip ties and wire to a 2.5mm plug.
Oh that never crossed my mind! Good idea except I've never seen or ridden a V13. Do you mean a both riding and or teardown? I think most of my speculation from the older video holds up.
Say what you will about the King Song suspension, I’m 220lbs plus gear and my S18 suspension is plush as Jabba’s tummy. I’m seriously considering the Sherman-S for my next wheel, but I’m going to see how things shake out over the rest of this year. I’ve heard a lot of people say that they feel like the Sherman-S is ALMOST there (not that any other wheel is THERE), but if I’m investing $4000 in an EUC, I don’t want to have to do much to it.
Hey Malik, did you have to change the S18 shock? I thought the stock was too soft? waiting is a good plan since eucs are developing all the time. veteran has a newly released free foot plate upgrade. I'd say you're then stuck upgrading the power pads and seat. Cheers
I’ve added a Honda CMX250 seat to my SS and it’s great. Looks like the same shape as your DIY one so might be worth a look. Easy to attach, not too expensive (£70 used for mine) and looks good
Hi Steve, I saw Matieus's video on it and was nearly sold. However I think I want a bit more height. It looks shorter than my DIY? How tall are you if you don't mind saying? cheers
@@jonoeuc I’m 5 10 but I’m only just starting to learn seated. The height of the seat from the trolley handle is between 8 and 9 cm. It does squish down once you sit on it though. You could probably gain a few cm by putting something in between the trolley and base of seat.
The video is well executed bro. Great job. I also ride the sherman-s and love the the wheel as my cruiser. I use my OG sherman for a more fun ride. How you feeling about the patton? It intrigues me as a second wheel. Also thanks for the tip for riding on medium mode. The wheel has become so much more fun to ride, I can move more freely, and I was surprised how much faster I was riding with medium mode.
Good to hear! glad it helped. The 16" space is really interesting atm. Everyone I see talking about the Patton is stoked with it. I'd love one for trail riding but not for my regular riding which is more cruising focused.
Great review Jon! You are right up there with my fav wheel reviewers mate. I've got a few questions for you as I'm tossing up between the Sherman S and Patton. Have you tried the Patton yet? And if you have have you noticed more torque control with it braking and accelerating? Looking forward to your views on the EX30 too. Hi from NZ btw. Your kiwi fan :)
Hi Vance, sorry I haven't tried those wheels. I presume the Patton will have far greater and noticeable torque. Which likely translates into acceleration and braking. NZ, nice!
Hey mate just wanna say, fantastic video glad for all the detail and effort you put into it just a small note i am considering this unc as my first and it will also be my first intro into the electric vehicle world so for future vids just put a disclamer or explantion as to what the lingo/slang means if possible Again great vid thank you so much for this
Hey mate, it is slowly leaking, I try to check it every two weeks or so. See the below psi drop over time. the format is: date - psi initial - new psi. I don't like slime because I don't want anymore rotational mass or unbalance. Plus it seems incredibly toxic to handle (eg armadilloz for onewheel) The tyre is very tough and haven't had a puncture over about 8,000km between the V11 and ShermS. Cheers jono 18/06/2023 28 30 24/07/2023 27 30 31/07/2023 29 31 14/08/2023 29 31
Great and comprehensive video . What is the wondering wheel issue is that where you ( or the wheel ) wonders where it's going, lol ? Maybe you meant wandering ?
lol yea wandering. It's when the EUC starts to turn and move in direction that I'm not expecting. It is extremely unnerving since it typically happened at high speed. I have since realised why. It was when my tyre pressure was too high (35psi). If I held the camera and selfie stick to the side the extra wind resistance pulls the wheel around. cheers
Hi Brow, The torque is very good but I'm not sure if it's specifically a C40 motor etc. The only top speed option is with the firmware update to allow 'High Speed Mode'. Some have suggested this enables field weakening. I enabled the HS Mode which adds about 10kmh to the top speed achievable.
Dang i could only imagine myself being as half good as this fella. I’m about to get the kingsong 14m. Is that a good beginners wheel? It’s pretty darn slow as well.
OK, so if you've gone Grocery shopping w/ your Wheel, do you walk it through the store w/ you, leave it w/ cust service or do you lock it up outside the store. And, if you're locking your Wheel, what security do you use ?
Hey mate, I trolley handle it through the shops but that's pretty rare. Since I normally walk to the grocery here. I make longer trips to the farmers market where I lock it up just inside the perimeter. The Abus Bordo 6000 Folding lock is great for that. mobil.abus.com/int/Consumer/Bicycle-locks/Folding-Locks/BORDO-6000K It's not as secure as a U-Lock but long enough that i thread it through the rim and my helmet too. Attaching a motion alarm is decent idea too. Like this amzn.asia/d/7zQIWVz It really depends on where you live. Nothing will stop a determined thief with an angle grinder. hope that helps.
Im looking to upgrade from my v11 ive owned it for a month and have put 2000km on while it was fun at first even though I bought it at 3000km it's starring to get old I find myself hitting pushback every ride even after my 50kmh crash two weeks ago I love the wheel but the range and speed have become too little for me even with the top suspension blown on my v11 it still rides great and I even do single tracks with relative ease with my bald street tire overall the v11 is definetly a begginer wheel for the first 1500km of riding and if you live in a small town I dont see the need for another wheel however if you are in a big city like me the v11 will leave you wanting more, Fairly quickly I realized I was gettting squiggly just for shits and giggles because I was getting bored mid ride.
Thanks mate, I didn't change the preload but I may try it a bit stiffer to decrease the sag. I've been running the compression quite soft with only 4clicks of compression damping. Increased the rebound damping a lot to reduce the pogo stick rebound. ta, jono
Hey mate, looks like we’re locals. Was wondering, have you ever had problems with police riding fast amongst traffic? I do that occasionally, but mostly avoid. Cheers
Hey Henry! I got pulled over by an undercover car a few weeks back. pulled onto the alex surfclub main strip and the light just turned green. So I gunned it to get in front of the traffic. The closest car was on my ass so I turned off to avoid them and they lit up their lights. They tried to get me to admit speed and self incriminate etc so I just denied. No problem. I generally do everything to avoid traffic and the main busy roads. Ride on backroads, slightly longer routes and alleys etc. If it's backed up then slower on the footpath is fine. Cheers
@@jonoeuc Awesome man, glad you got off that fine. I do the same, mostly quiet roads and footpath. But yea, they see speed as danger, when actually speeding up in front out of the way of traffic is safest. I have found myself in that scenario a few times and gunning it and hopping on the footpath when a ramp came up saved me big time. Ride hard, ride safe!
Quick question, I’m planning to start with a V11 and then maybe move to a Sherman S, similar to you. After you’ve experienced the Sherman S, do you still think that’s a good move?
Hi Gzo, yes it's a great move but depends on your use case. The V11 is very capable but not suited for road riding. The ShermS is far better at road riding but not quite fast enough for 80kmh roads if that's your goal? I use it for fun transport and stick to back roads and bike paths. In some ways the V11 is more fun at slower speeds since it is so light and nimble. The ShermS is more comfortable and better at cruising at 50kmh and higher. Did you already get a V11? cheers jono
Hey mate, can't so exactly sorry. It was tube foam I had lying around and cut in half similar to this --> www.foamsales.com.au/products/nbr-pipe-insulation?variant=3718350081¤cy=AUD&gad=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwjryjBhD0ARIsAMLvnF-RHhOtXadnTkwaXKH0knwbIqoH93P6SxeCUpAVCb9FHOPd6tfIPLcaAjXREALw_wcB
They're "Kinetic Pads - NORMAL" so I think regular. I originally got the smaller pads since they're hard to fit on the V11. Definitely go bigger for the ShermS
Do you think that the concerns regarding control would be less of an issue with a heftier fella? Anyone out there around my size that would be willing to discuss their experiences with EUCs? (285 lbs/129kg/20 stone) I'm rather hesitant to start off with a lower end ones because of my heavier body. Most of these EUCs state a load limit of 265lbs/120kg/19 stone and I'm concerned that I would damage the suspension. On the plus side I have tree trunks for legs.
I'm 6'3" 285lbs and I've ridden the s18 and my current wheel is the v12. They both feel a little small and the no suspension on the v12 sucks. I really want to go to one of these bigger wheels, I really like the Sherman s.....but those pedals being up so high is worrying. It's already difficult for me to mount/dismount and that pedal hight would make that even harder. Also, you will definitely be up there depending on your height. When I'm on my v12 I tower o er everything and feel quite top-heavy and going faster than 25mph is sketchy as hell.
Hi Voodoo, that's an excellent point. This wheel is very heavy relative to me and I feel it. My theory is that it IS better suited to larger people. I've heard that ideally wheels shouldn't weigh more than 50% of your weight. If anyone else can chip in with their ShermS experience please do.
@jonpurcell6838 Just you were a Inmotion guy with the v11 and was hoping for a Inmotion guy to show us everything about the wheel. I also believe you would show us all the options and were the machine lacks and if we can upgrade the wheel 😁
Have you ever been stopped by the police, riding on the roads? Technically, you can only ride on a road with a max speed limit of 60 kph. I live in rural Vic and have only recently started riding the EUC. I stick to shared bike paths and wide footpaths.. not comfortable riding on the road yet. The police have spotted me on the footpath several times, but have not paid any attention to me. BUT I don't go too fast yet. Interested in your experiences with long distance and higher speed riding.
Hey mate, yes I have. Pulled out onto a 60kmh road in a fairly busy road. The traffic had been held by lights but JUST turned and the first car was an undercover car. I sped up to keep ahead since parked cars blocked the bike lane. They put the lights on and I pulled over. They pressed me to guess at my speed (self incriminate) but I didn't. let off with a warning. I most often take the longer slower back roads and keep it slower on footpaths. So I know where I can open it up a bit. It's different between states so check in on the E-Riderz facebook group for others experience. Enjoy!
Hi Jon, I rode down to 1% then turned on Lo Batt Mode. my question is at what voltage will Low Batt mode allow you to go to ? you said you stopped at 74v. thats 3.08v/cell. Im just trying to estimate how far "reserve" i will have in emergency. Also SHerman S states a battery capacity of 3.6kwh. I recharged from 1% today 77V up to 100.8v and it measured 3221Wh went back in ? If I had ridden some more in LO Batt Mode would this Wh number be closer to 3600Wh ? My Sherman has 9600km all up and going strong. Regards Andrew Muller in Perth.
The Lynx low battery mode goes to 2.9V or -25% of 0% charge. so 2.9V x 24series in the sherman s gives you 69.6V complete discharge on low battery mode. The manufacturer battery capacities are always wrong and overstated. the sherman s actual capacity is 3,335Wh based on 2A from my mates charts. So your battery capacity is in excellent condition. Nice distance and good to hear from an aussie cheers jono
Hey Hynek! All of the settings are controlled through the onboard screen. You may need to update the ShermS firmware to enable High Speed Mode. Here is the guide in case you need to update (android only) ruclips.net/user/shortsW-r0AxZvd1o
Hey igor, yes. The current 20" lineup hasn't changed significantly in the last few months. However I haven't test ridden begode's offerings. The points I made about prioritizing 2 year warranty and build quality hold true. 4200km+ and pleased with it. Know that you will need a seat and powerpads and possibly pedals going into it and you won't be disappointed.
I'm lucky here in South East Queensland since it never snows. So it's perfect. I guess you're dealing with snow? I'd be looking towards this: Heidenau K66 M+S Snowtex 80/90-14 46P TL reinforced www.racing-planet.com/tire-heidenau-k66-ms-snowtex-80-90-14-46p-tl-reinforced-p-391909-1.html I believe Jon Wall has one similar. Cheers
Hi yes! Sometimes on facebook marketplace, Gumtree (second hand aussie website). Facebook search for the EUCS for sale page forum.electricunicycle.org/forum/24-private-sales-secondhand/
Hi Chris, 1) my euc shop doesn't carry them. 2) Veteran has a 2year warranty 3) Begode track record - build quality is important for me and I don't want to be constantly tinkering on the wheel cheers
Im told by a dealer in the mid east that the rim material changed since the original sherman and rims fail alot on models after this. Any one know about this potential failure mode. Expensive failure mode anyway.
Some locals here do! I'm too protective of my wheel still. Meaning I don't want to destroy it with sand and salt! It's also tricky since some dog walkers don't use a leash.
Michelin pilot is 80/80-14 how about fitting 90/90-14? Im just currious why they dont made detachable pedal hangers, as if you broke one, you'll need to change whole battery case.. thats not logical. With rest of "quality" misscalculations we could live
This tyre was definitely marked as 80/90-14. I think 90/90-14 is too wide and will rub one side, particularly as the ShermS tyre tends to bias to one side. Interesting point re hangers. However I wouldn't be concerned unless it starts popping up on the forums as a common issue. I recently crashed again and the most damage was to the front grab handle. This was still superficial damage.
Leaperkim sent me new upgraded pedals and trolley handle. They're sending free parts if you got the batch 1 SS. Inquire with your local dealer guys cheers!
Outstanding review. I guess I’ll say that my gearing is depending on speed/condition, not what I ride. My fast wheel is an EXN, but if I’m just bipping off at 25 mph or less to the store, helmet and wrist guards are it. I’d gear up more if I were doing something slower off road, and I’d also gear up more if I expected to be faster than 30 mph. I think there’s something to be said for not being mega geared, as I’m the only EUC rider I have ever seen, and there’s some value for people thinking it’s not crazy. For utility runs on roads, I’m not worried about crashing.
100% Something I wanted to add in the video is that more gear encourages faster riding since it dulls my senses. Noise and wind feel etc. This does detract from a more engaged riding experience. The shot where I have the bike helmet on (short trip down for filming) felt sooo much nicer. However I just recently crashed from a Kangaroo jumping out of the bushes directly in front of me. Only going 35kmh (22mph) still went flying and for a slide. glad I had all of it on then.
Another fantastic review. Thanks! I still have not gotten used to heavy wheels with high foot pedals, but I'm working on it. I am sure Leaperkim will come out with a "Sherman S Max" or something similar soon enough that will have 126 volts. These manufacturers iterate so fast, it's pointless to try and keep up with the latest/greatest. I look forward to the time when they might consider taking weight into consideration when they are designing new wheels but don't expect that will happen anytime soon.
It takes some time to get comfortable with them for sure. What are you riding? To clarify my complaint against 100V. My hope is that if it was higher voltage then the power would be more immediate and accessible. It requires high level of force to accelerate. But then you have greater voltage sag so everything is a trade off. It's been a good wheel so far.
Hi, google translate is a bit odd. The suspension is not repairable? That would surprise me, although I haven't had to take it into a shop for maintenance. I presume the local euc shop has replacement suspension too. ta jono
The fact that EUCs are the only light electric vehicles actually capable of replacing cars, is why in car land Germany it is a serious criminal offense that can land you in prison.
good video. But you really should wear a proper motorcycle helmet on an euc. EUC speeds are much faster than what cycle helmets are rated for. Having crashed at 50kph and still receiving a black eye while wearing a motorcycle helmet , a bicycle helmet would have failed.
I hear you. It's a struggle since I have a hot head. I picked up a Shoei RF1400 (NXR2) but can only use it during cool weather. maybe a Kilm Krios Pro could work but $1400 here in aus! Speedy recovery mate
@@jonoeuc I ride motorcycles as well and have an expensive helmet for that but use a cheap LS2 for riding ev's. Its light, well vented and cheap , while still being rated as a motorcycle helmet here in NZ.
Mid-level EUCs cruise at 30+ easy. Bigger wheels are going 50+ regularly. That title is uninformed at best. A stock S22 will crush that board in speed and range.
The battery case becoming a bomb if made in metal is an excuse. It can be designed so that it doesn't become a pressurized bomb. That's just an lazy excuse for using poor material.
Yeah I was regurgitating Eevees statement on the issue. Once I started to think about it I have to agree with you on this one. Yet to see it be an issue and at least it keeps the weight down haha
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What a staggering amount of work this must have been. Lots of details covered. Well done Jon
Wow. This review was really worth every second of watching. You dig into it all and focus on what riders concern most. Really good work. Thanks a ton, Jon. :)
thanks a ton Mikie! I approach it like your time matters and try to cut out the fluff.
Phenomenal review. We need more longer term takes like this! Also appreciate the focus on waterproofing.
If you wouldn't mind please do a quick review of that new Shoei helmet.
Hey James, I haven't had the chance to make the video so here's a quick summary.
It's the Shoei NXR-2 or RF1400 in other regions. This is a proper helmet. my IXS trigger FF summer helmet is a MTB helmet not very sturdy. The IXS amazingly light and airflow is nuts, fidlock
Practicing doing emergency short stops is an absolute must, ...
Adding a ghost light is cooler than the Lazer beams...
Agree, I think it's a bit overlooked. day one and two teaching my mates and I was taking them through emergency braking.
Whats a ghost light?
Thanks Jon, for me the best and most thorough review I've seen yet on any euc! Although still quite a few nasty negatives, you finally convinced me to step over from my v11 to sherman S! Thanks again for the hard work and time you put into this video. 👍
wow that's awesome! Something I left out is that the ShermS encourages faster riding since the ShermS at 50kmh feels like 30kmh on the V11.
Hey Jon, thanks for the shout out.
Personally, i used a very thin piece of plastic that filled the whole width of the mudgard holder. It was a PITA to cut to fit, but it wont bulge and it even close the small cuts under the motor cable. Not sure how well the rectancular piece you siliconed in place will hold though 😮.
I can send you pictures of how mine looks like.
Hey Matt, yeah send pics! I was looking to place the plastic across the entire face. It appeared the suspension was slightly recessed into that channel and that's why I inset it.
True! I figure it may fall out but decided it wouldn't cause a crash etc so I'd try that position.
Cheers
Great Review Jon ! The most thorough review yet great job
cheers!
the amount of effort on this review is incredible, keep on pushing out great videos!!
Cheers!
Excellent video! You covered it all man! Very well done. I love my Sherman S but you really put yours through its paces.
Jesus Christ, your videos have so much attention to details, you deserve way way more subs and views !
haha thanks mate
I now have 2200 miles on my ShermanS, i donated my V8s & V11 to a family in Tenn sense i can't see myself riding something slower should i ever need the extra power and speed. At 250lbs i regularly get 70 miles to a charge doing a mix of high speed 40+ and normal riding. I use my bluetooth earbuds to hear the beeps in my helmet using the EUC WORLD APP. I do wish for at least a 126v sherman as i have seen the 134v Commander Pro is the same in all other respects to the SS, but i can live with what i have as my demands for more power is not that often. The Sur-ron seat with the front cut off to view the screen offers the best most comfortable seated riding experience. In EUC World app set battery percent in alarms to 20% so after the battery has given you 80% of it capacity you'll get beep when you're in the last 20%. THIS IS A GREAT VIDEO AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK MAKING IT!! 😃
Hi Darren, good to hear!
The V11 is great mid ranger and i've recently done the same. Loaned it out for others to learn on!
Good info cheers. Very interested in improving my seat.
I wonder if some of my complaints fall to the side if you're a bigger person that can handle the ShermS weight better?
Have a good one,
jono
Yeah! The review format of this video is perfect _cheff kiss_
Felt like a very good review for new people who are interrested in getting an EUC and for more expert riders! the way you explain things is spot on!
Keep it coming buddy, the effort and passion you've put in the video is inspiring!
thanks so much! appreciate it
holy moly sick review your production quality is extremely good!
I have V13 and Sherman S I love Sherman S the most .... V13 have range problem but is very stable a high speeds. Sherman S is the winner since its a fun generator with amazing acceleration. Sherman S is more versatile, more practical and more fum than the V13 . If you want to go fast as hell on roads V13 is clearly better. Slow riding V13 is not good - its a speedy wheel. I remember how my SHerman OG rim selfdestructed so Im a little carefull with stairs. Sherman S seat is a yoga block. Try using both grabhandles for seated riding when you want to accellerate og decellerate For emergency braking stand up first then brake... Just my 2 c... Thx for nice video. I hope rain will not kill the bearings like it did on kingsong s22.
Oh nice comparison. Is the V13 slimmer and more ergonomic around the top of the shell?
haha wild 2 handed acceleration! I have toyed with that idea but have a mental block because it seems sketchy!
yea I definitely stand with grab handle for harder braking.
The bearings have a good chance with the grease and covers. Should hold up.
Cheers!
@@jonoeuc Ergonomic is a laff really; I only ride V13 in seated position - its so bloody heavy I get lower back problems if I stand up too much of the riding time. V13 can easily and comfortably do 80 kmh and be stable, Sherman S is not builld for that kind of speed I find. I love all my wheels except the Kingsong s22. Inmotion V11 for ch8ill rides - Sherman S for off roading and longer trips. V13 for fast as hell road riding. The best of em is def Sherman S.
Amazing review. I'm about to upgrade from my s18 to the sherman s and appreciate all of this information. 👍
big jump up, how'd you go?
cheers
@jonpurcell6838 it's going great. I was anticipating a weigh adjustment but I was still put off a bit by it. Took only a handful of miles to get acclimated though. I feel much more stable at speed now which is what I was looking for so I'm happy there. I think I could use just a tad more low down torque for slower maneuvering but I'm happy overall. I went with the k340a street rire and it has a strong gyro at about 20mph+. It doesn't lean much in the turns so it does require body/knee shifting.
@@mikeswehla2709 good times! thanks for the update
oh also I reckon the K262 offroad likely has an even bigger gyro effect. I could feel it surging over 60kmh, particularly over bumps
Helmet review yes please. Your reviews are so thoughtful and detailed. Kudos
If the Sherman S doesn’t have enough power for you now not many options. Patton, smaller wheel less stable at speed, range and top speed, V13 heavier, range, can be difficult to excess power, EX30 ticks many boxes but quality, reliability, safety - new wheel though and meant to be a step in the right direction. I went the same route, V11 to Sherman S but only have a fraction of your mileage so power plenty for me. Plus the suspension is no work and superb. Great, detailed review👍
Thanks Steve, spot on. What i'm wondering is if the ShermS was 126V would that pretty much be the perfect package. By increasing the responsiveness and ability to brake and accelerate.
Definitely still enjoying it :)
cheers
Ex30 has the best quality out of all the begode wills check out the take apart videos begode did a great job on the ex30
Begode wheels
I've been waiting for this forever! Thanks Jono!
got all answers on the sherman S , of any question i would have in mind. Just like to mention one, charging is very loud, and i can't charge such a wheel, in my tiny appartment of 10 meter square in paris. Maybe i could change part of the charger to make it less loud, but that is sad, just to think i will have to do that on day one, after paying more then 4000 Euros. Just an example of how detailed this video is 👍, because Jon let you hear the noise of the charger. Now i know it would be unbearable. Other then that as espected the Sherman S is an outstanding wheel. Now i need to look for a new flat 😄
Thanks much Jon, outstanding job.
This is incredible review, so much content and information! Top notch work my friend!
What a great review.
Really good details…
Loved it !
Thanks ! 🙏
Great review Jon! Appreciate the time and effort put in to make a review with this much detail. 🤙🏻
thanks mate
I had the same headlamp problems on my Sherman Max so I replaced the stock light with an aftermarket Jeep fog lamp. Fog lamps are great because the beam stays low, out of opposing traffic and doesn't blind other people's eyes.
Interested in this. currently point it down low and have a helmet light
@@jonoeuc There are lots of aftermarket jeep fog lamps on the market. The fog lamp is made to be mounted low and beam doesn't project up, so it won't blind drivers in a fog. A 4" 30w fog lamp fits perfectly in the mounting area and it was easy to secure with zip ties and wire to a 2.5mm plug.
@@markdbentz sounds good cheers!
i don't even ride these but i watched the entire thing with interest. looks like fun
Cheers Mark! Hopefully you can try it out sometime.
THanks for a really informative and in depth review :)
outta all the reviews ive seen on euc this one has more details n disamble the parts ,i like it
interested in your in depth comparison w/ the Sherman s and the v13
Oh that never crossed my mind! Good idea except I've never seen or ridden a V13.
Do you mean a both riding and or teardown?
I think most of my speculation from the older video holds up.
Brilliant review.
Lots of needed information, more information than i could ask for. Your vids are great. Subscribed 👍
Awesome, thank you!
So comprehensive, wow. Great work.
Say what you will about the King Song suspension, I’m 220lbs plus gear and my S18 suspension is plush as Jabba’s tummy. I’m seriously considering the Sherman-S for my next wheel, but I’m going to see how things shake out over the rest of this year. I’ve heard a lot of people say that they feel like the Sherman-S is ALMOST there (not that any other wheel is THERE), but if I’m investing $4000 in an EUC, I don’t want to have to do much to it.
Hey Malik, did you have to change the S18 shock? I thought the stock was too soft?
waiting is a good plan since eucs are developing all the time. veteran has a newly released free foot plate upgrade. I'd say you're then stuck upgrading the power pads and seat.
Cheers
I will definately look at leaperkim for my next wheel for harcore all use.
I’ve added a Honda CMX250 seat to my SS and it’s great. Looks like the same shape as your DIY one so might be worth a look. Easy to attach, not too expensive (£70 used for mine) and looks good
Hi Steve, I saw Matieus's video on it and was nearly sold. However I think I want a bit more height. It looks shorter than my DIY?
How tall are you if you don't mind saying?
cheers
@@jonoeuc I’m 5 10 but I’m only just starting to learn seated. The height of the seat from the trolley handle is between 8 and 9 cm. It does squish down once you sit on it though. You could probably gain a few cm by putting something in between the trolley and base of seat.
@@stevemb0 ta
The video is well executed bro. Great job. I also ride the sherman-s and love the the wheel as my cruiser. I use my OG sherman for a more fun ride. How you feeling about the patton? It intrigues me as a second wheel. Also thanks for the tip for riding on medium mode. The wheel has become so much more fun to ride, I can move more freely, and I was surprised how much faster I was riding with medium mode.
Good to hear! glad it helped.
The 16" space is really interesting atm. Everyone I see talking about the Patton is stoked with it. I'd love one for trail riding but not for my regular riding which is more cruising focused.
Great review Jon! You are right up there with my fav wheel reviewers mate. I've got a few questions for you as I'm tossing up between the Sherman S and Patton. Have you tried the Patton yet? And if you have have you noticed more torque control with it braking and accelerating? Looking forward to your views on the EX30 too. Hi from NZ btw. Your kiwi fan :)
Hi Vance, sorry I haven't tried those wheels. I presume the Patton will have far greater and noticeable torque. Which likely translates into acceleration and braking.
NZ, nice!
Hey mate just wanna say, fantastic video glad for all the detail and effort you put into it
just a small note i am considering this unc as my first and it will also be my first intro into the electric vehicle world so for future vids just put a disclamer or explantion as to what the lingo/slang means if possible
Again great vid thank you so much for this
hey Cooper really good suggestion cheers!
Enjoy if you end up with an euc :)
EXCELLENT REVIEW BRO!!!! 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
This was a professional review!
THX YOU!!!
I appreciate that!
Hi Jon, I am in Sydney. One question for the street tyre, pressure is not leaking without applying sealant? Cheers
Hey mate, it is slowly leaking, I try to check it every two weeks or so. See the below psi drop over time.
the format is: date - psi initial - new psi.
I don't like slime because I don't want anymore rotational mass or unbalance. Plus it seems incredibly toxic to handle (eg armadilloz for onewheel)
The tyre is very tough and haven't had a puncture over about 8,000km between the V11 and ShermS.
Cheers jono
18/06/2023 28 30
24/07/2023 27 30
31/07/2023 29 31
14/08/2023 29 31
@@jonoeuc thanks a lot for the detailed information, appreciated!
Great and comprehensive video . What is the wondering wheel issue is that where you ( or the wheel ) wonders where it's going, lol ? Maybe you meant wandering ?
lol yea wandering. It's when the EUC starts to turn and move in direction that I'm not expecting. It is extremely unnerving since it typically happened at high speed. I have since realised why. It was when my tyre pressure was too high (35psi). If I held the camera and selfie stick to the side the extra wind resistance pulls the wheel around.
cheers
This stiff is gold, I have to go through all of this and chack the sherman s. Is this high tourque? And top speed modifiable?
Hi Brow,
The torque is very good but I'm not sure if it's specifically a C40 motor etc.
The only top speed option is with the firmware update to allow 'High Speed Mode'. Some have suggested this enables field weakening. I enabled the HS Mode which adds about 10kmh to the top speed achievable.
Dang i could only imagine myself being as half good as this fella.
I’m about to get the kingsong 14m. Is that a good beginners wheel? It’s pretty darn slow as well.
OK, so if you've gone Grocery shopping w/ your Wheel, do you walk it through the store w/ you, leave it w/ cust service or do you lock it up outside the store. And, if you're locking your Wheel, what security do you use ?
Hey mate, I trolley handle it through the shops but that's pretty rare. Since I normally walk to the grocery here.
I make longer trips to the farmers market where I lock it up just inside the perimeter. The Abus Bordo 6000 Folding lock is great for that. mobil.abus.com/int/Consumer/Bicycle-locks/Folding-Locks/BORDO-6000K
It's not as secure as a U-Lock but long enough that i thread it through the rim and my helmet too.
Attaching a motion alarm is decent idea too. Like this amzn.asia/d/7zQIWVz
It really depends on where you live. Nothing will stop a determined thief with an angle grinder.
hope that helps.
Im looking to upgrade from my v11 ive owned it for a month and have put 2000km on while it was fun at first even though I bought it at 3000km it's starring to get old I find myself hitting pushback every ride even after my 50kmh crash two weeks ago I love the wheel but the range and speed have become too little for me even with the top suspension blown on my v11 it still rides great and I even do single tracks with relative ease with my bald street tire overall the v11 is definetly a begginer wheel for the first 1500km of riding and if you live in a small town I dont see the need for another wheel however if you are in a big city like me the v11 will leave you wanting more, Fairly quickly I realized I was gettting squiggly just for shits and giggles because I was getting bored mid ride.
Cheers for the ride report. 100% agree.
best review to date excellent 👌👍. ,, what suspension change did you do from stock for your weight?
Thanks mate, I didn't change the preload but I may try it a bit stiffer to decrease the sag. I've been running the compression quite soft with only 4clicks of compression damping.
Increased the rebound damping a lot to reduce the pogo stick rebound.
ta, jono
whats the weight that it can handle
I've a testimonial from Darren who is 250lbs // 113kg. He's loving it and has ridden 6000miles so far. (7minutes into my 6000km update video)
cheers
Hey mate, looks like we’re locals.
Was wondering, have you ever had problems with police riding fast amongst traffic?
I do that occasionally, but mostly avoid.
Cheers
Hey Henry!
I got pulled over by an undercover car a few weeks back. pulled onto the alex surfclub main strip and the light just turned green. So I gunned it to get in front of the traffic. The closest car was on my ass so I turned off to avoid them and they lit up their lights.
They tried to get me to admit speed and self incriminate etc so I just denied. No problem.
I generally do everything to avoid traffic and the main busy roads. Ride on backroads, slightly longer routes and alleys etc. If it's backed up then slower on the footpath is fine.
Cheers
@@jonoeuc Awesome man, glad you got off that fine. I do the same, mostly quiet roads and footpath. But yea, they see speed as danger, when actually speeding up in front out of the way of traffic is safest. I have found myself in that scenario a few times and gunning it and hopping on the footpath when a ramp came up saved me big time.
Ride hard, ride safe!
Quick question, I’m planning to start with a V11 and then maybe move to a Sherman S, similar to you. After you’ve experienced the Sherman S, do you still think that’s a good move?
Hi Gzo, yes it's a great move but depends on your use case. The V11 is very capable but not suited for road riding. The ShermS is far better at road riding but not quite fast enough for 80kmh roads if that's your goal? I use it for fun transport and stick to back roads and bike paths.
In some ways the V11 is more fun at slower speeds since it is so light and nimble.
The ShermS is more comfortable and better at cruising at 50kmh and higher.
Did you already get a V11?
cheers jono
I used one from amazon that was a black net it doubled to allow me to attach things to seat and was not expensive either.
got a link?
When I bought my Sherman s the booklet that came with it says only a year warranty?
It was revised after release. I checked with E-Riderz who confirmed it for me but best to verify with your dealer. Cheers
Hi Jon, what is the foam that I saw you use for cushioning your calf near the top of the suspension?
Hey mate, can't so exactly sorry. It was tube foam I had lying around and cut in half similar to this --> www.foamsales.com.au/products/nbr-pipe-insulation?variant=3718350081¤cy=AUD&gad=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwjryjBhD0ARIsAMLvnF-RHhOtXadnTkwaXKH0knwbIqoH93P6SxeCUpAVCb9FHOPd6tfIPLcaAjXREALw_wcB
Top notch review
Great review, thanks
Great review. Thanks.
Great video. Are your Nylonove pads the regular or large?
They're "Kinetic Pads - NORMAL" so I think regular.
I originally got the smaller pads since they're hard to fit on the V11.
Definitely go bigger for the ShermS
Do you think that the concerns regarding control would be less of an issue with a heftier fella?
Anyone out there around my size that would be willing to discuss their experiences with EUCs? (285 lbs/129kg/20 stone)
I'm rather hesitant to start off with a lower end ones because of my heavier body. Most of these EUCs state a load limit of 265lbs/120kg/19 stone and I'm concerned that I would damage the suspension. On the plus side I have tree trunks for legs.
I'm 6'3" 285lbs and I've ridden the s18 and my current wheel is the v12. They both feel a little small and the no suspension on the v12 sucks. I really want to go to one of these bigger wheels, I really like the Sherman s.....but those pedals being up so high is worrying. It's already difficult for me to mount/dismount and that pedal hight would make that even harder. Also, you will definitely be up there depending on your height. When I'm on my v12 I tower o er everything and feel quite top-heavy and going faster than 25mph is sketchy as hell.
Hi Voodoo, that's an excellent point. This wheel is very heavy relative to me and I feel it. My theory is that it IS better suited to larger people. I've heard that ideally wheels shouldn't weigh more than 50% of your weight.
If anyone else can chip in with their ShermS experience please do.
Great video watch the full video very informative. Peace and Happy Riding Always.
PS.wish you would have got the v13
Thanks Mike,
I'm curious why you wanted me to get the V13?
@jonpurcell6838 Just you were a Inmotion guy with the v11 and was hoping for a Inmotion guy to show us everything about the wheel. I also believe you would show us all the options and were the machine lacks and if we can upgrade the wheel 😁
Dedicated sold his car, to buy a wheel!!!
So weird that they have window holes open to the wheel and dirt!!! What were they thinking???🤔
Have you ever been stopped by the police, riding on the roads?
Technically, you can only ride on a road with a max speed limit of 60 kph.
I live in rural Vic and have only recently started riding the EUC. I stick to shared bike paths and wide footpaths.. not comfortable riding on the road yet. The police have spotted me on the footpath several times, but have not paid any attention to me. BUT I don't go too fast yet.
Interested in your experiences with long distance and higher speed riding.
Hey mate, yes I have. Pulled out onto a 60kmh road in a fairly busy road. The traffic had been held by lights but JUST turned and the first car was an undercover car. I sped up to keep ahead since parked cars blocked the bike lane. They put the lights on and I pulled over.
They pressed me to guess at my speed (self incriminate) but I didn't.
let off with a warning.
I most often take the longer slower back roads and keep it slower on footpaths. So I know where I can open it up a bit.
It's different between states so check in on the E-Riderz facebook group for others experience.
Enjoy!
@@jonoeuc Thanks for the reply.
Hi Jon, I rode down to 1% then turned on Lo Batt Mode. my question is at what voltage will Low Batt mode allow you to go to ? you said you stopped at 74v. thats 3.08v/cell. Im just trying to estimate how far "reserve" i will have in emergency. Also SHerman S states a battery capacity of 3.6kwh. I recharged from 1% today 77V up to 100.8v and it measured 3221Wh went back in ? If I had ridden some more in LO Batt Mode would this Wh number be closer to 3600Wh ?
My Sherman has 9600km all up and going strong. Regards Andrew Muller in Perth.
The Lynx low battery mode goes to 2.9V or -25% of 0% charge. so 2.9V x 24series in the sherman s gives you 69.6V complete discharge on low battery mode.
The manufacturer battery capacities are always wrong and overstated. the sherman s actual capacity is 3,335Wh based on 2A from my mates charts. So your battery capacity is in excellent condition.
Nice distance and good to hear from an aussie
cheers jono
HUGE intro tune Jon :0
haha glad you noticed! so much fun putting together intros
Hey Jon it hynek I was wondering if you knew how to increase the tilt back above 37 mph is there any apps that might achieve that?
Hey Hynek!
All of the settings are controlled through the onboard screen. You may need to update the ShermS firmware to enable High Speed Mode.
Here is the guide in case you need to update (android only)
ruclips.net/user/shortsW-r0AxZvd1o
John, overall you recommend buying it? (Sep 2023)
Hey igor, yes. The current 20" lineup hasn't changed significantly in the last few months.
However I haven't test ridden begode's offerings. The points I made about prioritizing 2 year warranty and build quality hold true.
4200km+ and pleased with it.
Know that you will need a seat and powerpads and possibly pedals going into it and you won't be disappointed.
What do you think about riding a street tyre in winter?
I'm lucky here in South East Queensland since it never snows. So it's perfect.
I guess you're dealing with snow? I'd be looking towards this: Heidenau K66 M+S Snowtex 80/90-14 46P TL reinforced
www.racing-planet.com/tire-heidenau-k66-ms-snowtex-80-90-14-46p-tl-reinforced-p-391909-1.html
I believe Jon Wall has one similar.
Cheers
I just put 500 miles on my first wheel the V11Y now I want the Lynx🤙🏽
Hitting the beeps and tilt back?! :P
Yeah the beeps start at 34 it gets harder to get to 37 so I don't ride tilt back but I feel comfortable at 35
Is there a used euc marketplace anywhere?
Hi yes! Sometimes on facebook marketplace, Gumtree (second hand aussie website).
Facebook search for the EUCS for sale page
forum.electricunicycle.org/forum/24-private-sales-secondhand/
Where are you living? Looks amazing!
Queensland Australia!
so detailed! luv it.
Thank you
Fix pedal slip with self tapping screws.
done! and it was a huge improvement. I think I did a video on it.
What made you choose this over commander pro?,
Hi Chris,
1) my euc shop doesn't carry them.
2) Veteran has a 2year warranty
3) Begode track record - build quality is important for me and I don't want to be constantly tinkering on the wheel
cheers
Im told by a dealer in the mid east that the rim material changed since the original sherman and rims fail alot on models after this. Any one know about this potential failure mode. Expensive failure mode anyway.
That's concerning news, I haven't heard about this. Can anyone link a source or confirm?
I was enjoying music sooo much!
Can you cruise on up that beach?
Some locals here do!
I'm too protective of my wheel still. Meaning I don't want to destroy it with sand and salt!
It's also tricky since some dog walkers don't use a leash.
@@jonoeuc me too, and of my ankles.
best video ever
Good video mate
Cheers!
Michelin pilot is 80/80-14 how about fitting 90/90-14? Im just currious why they dont made detachable pedal hangers, as if you broke one, you'll need to change whole battery case.. thats not logical. With rest of "quality" misscalculations we could live
This tyre was definitely marked as 80/90-14. I think 90/90-14 is too wide and will rub one side, particularly as the ShermS tyre tends to bias to one side.
Interesting point re hangers. However I wouldn't be concerned unless it starts popping up on the forums as a common issue. I recently crashed again and the most damage was to the front grab handle. This was still superficial damage.
Leaperkim sent me new upgraded pedals and trolley handle. They're sending free parts if you got the batch 1 SS. Inquire with your local dealer guys cheers!
Got them thanks! yet to install
6th place awesome! I would have crashed at the beginning lol
Outstanding review. I guess I’ll say that my gearing is depending on speed/condition, not what I ride. My fast wheel is an EXN, but if I’m just bipping off at 25 mph or less to the store, helmet and wrist guards are it. I’d gear up more if I were doing something slower off road, and I’d also gear up more if I expected to be faster than 30 mph. I think there’s something to be said for not being mega geared, as I’m the only EUC rider I have ever seen, and there’s some value for people thinking it’s not crazy. For utility runs on roads, I’m not worried about crashing.
100%
Something I wanted to add in the video is that more gear encourages faster riding since it dulls my senses. Noise and wind feel etc. This does detract from a more engaged riding experience.
The shot where I have the bike helmet on (short trip down for filming) felt sooo much nicer.
However I just recently crashed from a Kangaroo jumping out of the bushes directly in front of me. Only going 35kmh (22mph) still went flying and for a slide. glad I had all of it on then.
Another fantastic review. Thanks! I still have not gotten used to heavy wheels with high foot pedals, but I'm working on it. I am sure Leaperkim will come out with a "Sherman S Max" or something similar soon enough that will have 126 volts. These manufacturers iterate so fast, it's pointless to try and keep up with the latest/greatest. I look forward to the time when they might consider taking weight into consideration when they are designing new wheels but don't expect that will happen anytime soon.
noo.. 100v is more than enough, +5kg of batteries not needed at all.. use V13 instead
It takes some time to get comfortable with them for sure. What are you riding?
To clarify my complaint against 100V. My hope is that if it was higher voltage then the power would be more immediate and accessible. It requires high level of force to accelerate.
But then you have greater voltage sag so everything is a trade off.
It's been a good wheel so far.
No me preocupa la suciedad que se acomule en ese aparato pero sin duda la suspencion es ireparable...
Hi, google translate is a bit odd. The suspension is not repairable? That would surprise me, although I haven't had to take it into a shop for maintenance.
I presume the local euc shop has replacement suspension too.
ta jono
🖐👍
I hope leaperkim comes out with a 22inch 126v wheel with this type of suspension
wow yeah that'd crush the cruiser class. only the master pro could compete.
The fact that EUCs are the only light electric vehicles actually capable of replacing cars, is why in car land Germany it is a serious criminal offense that can land you in prison.
oh wow that is harsh, sorry to hear.
only 70kmh? I guess its not worth upgrading to after all for me..
It can push to 80 but I'm most comfortable 60-70. often relaxing around 55.
good video. But you really should wear a proper motorcycle helmet on an euc. EUC speeds are much faster than what cycle helmets are rated for. Having crashed at 50kph and still receiving a black eye while wearing a motorcycle helmet , a bicycle helmet would have failed.
I hear you. It's a struggle since I have a hot head. I picked up a Shoei RF1400 (NXR2) but can only use it during cool weather. maybe a Kilm Krios Pro could work but $1400 here in aus!
Speedy recovery mate
@@jonoeuc I ride motorcycles as well and have an expensive helmet for that but use a cheap LS2 for riding ev's. Its light, well vented and cheap , while still being rated as a motorcycle helmet here in NZ.
Mid-level EUCs cruise at 30+ easy. Bigger wheels are going 50+ regularly. That title is uninformed at best. A stock S22 will crush that board in speed and range.
RUclips put this comment on the wrong video. Please disregard.
haha np. Oh you're commenting on Stanley's Clickbait Onewheel video? Haven't seen it yet. 11" non suspension Onewheel is so sketchy at speeds!
The battery case becoming a bomb if made in metal is an excuse. It can be designed so that it doesn't become a pressurized bomb. That's just an lazy excuse for using poor material.
Yeah I was regurgitating Eevees statement on the issue. Once I started to think about it I have to agree with you on this one. Yet to see it be an issue and at least it keeps the weight down haha