My French village of 1000 people has 6 thriving bars. People go for coffee, tea and other drinks. We go for coffee occasionally and there's always people there. UK prices are so high. Totally different vibe from British pubs. No one is drunk here, or I've never seen anyone worse for wear. No chain pubs or coffee shops here.
Pubs are dying because people have less spare cash and the prices are escalating. We can't sit there and not buy anything . The publicans are trying to cope with outlay. It's a viscious circle. Karen has made a great point about repurposing . Even just a part of the premises could maybe get let out to various groups or uses if the landlord would allow
I just think society has changed so much because of the last 4 plus years. With lock downs and division that many are just keeping to themselves more. And of course financial restraints. Whole cities were ghost towns for months and it’s never recovered. Small town pubs here in Australia are closing down but some are reinventing themselves with accommodation for overnight travellers. We are all finding our way back, differently, from these past years
To be honest I don't like pubs, I don't drink alcohol, dislike being around drunk people and hate the smell of stale beer so have never liked being in pubs. I know lots of people who don't drink much because it's too expensive, they don't have the time either. Pubs could become a community hub in a non drinking sense but most of us are working all hours just to pay the bills.
I am the same, I don't drink alcohol, hate being surrounded by drunks, hate the smell too, and the stares when you go in as a woman. I prefer cafes, feel safer
Sadly, we all want that country pub to be there when we are on holiday or enjoying a weekend with family and friends, but the rest of the time ... we keep away. Why? For the reasons you mention: the high cost, so many giving up alcohol (and non-alcoholic drinks can be more expensive than beer/wine, believe me) and just a general trend towards staying in and entertaining at home. We aren't watching every penny, but we certainly couldn't afford to be out to the pub every few nights, or even once a week. It seems inevitable that the majority of pubs will slowly disappear unless they are repurposed as community centres, which sounds a lot less profitable.
Any commercial property must have an income to be profitable, or even to cover taxes and insurance. Any business or social club must have a revenue stream in order to do this. And that revenue stream is getting down to a trickle, because people across the board do not or will not spend money if they can't afford to. Anything that is not necessary is being tossed in the trash bin by those who are running on fumes financially. Even necessary services/goods are seeing a downturn, as people shop for the lowest price, and will cut corners in order to get it, or will do without. Even people who need car repairs will do without their car if they can't afford to pay for it. The level of economic shrinkage right now is dire. But I like how you think outside the box, as I do the same thing. Try to figure out how to make something work. Better minds than mine might figure this out. How about if the property was shared by more than one company? In the states, Pizza Hut shares space with a chicken wings restaurant not far from me. Like people, maybe businesses need to share the rent.
But the building and the owner (brewery) will still have overheads to cover - cost of drinks (alcohol or otherwise), rents, wages, power - which all cost money and that is the main brunt. All very well people going and nursing a coffee for a hour or so, but that would have to be a very expensive coffee to make it worthwhile 😞
I have a friend who has a small local place. I was thinking recently that these may be the places that people start gathering to share ideas, especially during this current climate. At the beginning of the US, these are the places the founders and their followers would gather.
Back in 1980, I took a break from college and traveled to England for a year, and during that time I worked in a pub in Torquay. We had a strong core group of regulars year 'round, and during the season, we had tons of tourists. I loved working there because of the camaraderie, and I got to know many fine people. Over the years, working at the Royal Vic has remained as one of my very fondest life experiences.
Prices going up, people having less in common as far as music, philosophy, even what we eat, to be our common ground, access to news from other venues, and polarization by media, it is rough for the older ways of socializing. I hope a community-friendly solution rises out of the decline.
i reshared this with Virginia, USA with the crackdown to online speech without the pubs there's no public square for the communities. This is real bad news.
I really don't mind the pubs closing. I don't drink alcohol, don't like rowdiness, I don't like going there on my own,, don't like yobs on Fris and Sats, pub fights, drunk driving. sceaming kids, barking and aggressive dog bites, I prefer cafes to meet friends, though I wish they would open till 11pm they can be turned into houses rather than our green belt
Here in canada we all go to coffee shops to socialize. The biggest one is Tim Hortons named after a great hockey player who died many years ago. They have lots of food to choose from and of course the best coffee. We Canadians love hockey and coffee lol.
The more enlightened pubs here in Cornwall have changed their profile, such that, it is used by more of the community. So, they are offering really good quality cake and coffee in the morning (aimed at mums on the way back from the school run, retired folks out shopping/ meeting up); quality lunches in a restaurant section ( fir the above folks + business folk); tea and cakes in the afternoon (aimed at the after school crowd) then meals and a lot more alchol in the evenings. Others have become very high quality dining featuring wonderful local produce. All have, as you suggested function rooms for weddings and birthdays etc. The old British Boozer - which was mostly for men with a parlour for women is rare now, and perhaps its time is past?? They now need to cater for all types of folks. While the internet may have replaced pubs for chatting etc - the trouble is that, with the algorithm feeding you stuff it thinks you will like, you get 'group think' and little diversity of opinion - it is by debating what we think we know with those that disagree with our viewpoint, that we grow and can clarify what we think. Phew! I'll shut up now! 😂
No. Public culture is changed by the press. The no smoking policies would never have got off the ground without the press demonising it for years on end.
I do know how much of a community center pubs are in the UK/Ireland. I find it sad. "Mom and Pop" restaurants and diners are almost non-existent in much of the States anymore, in many towns. Some small towns still have them, there may be some in cities where there are stronger neighborhoods, but I believe they are going down. I think it is part of the bigger plan to separate us, because many places are standing empty instead of keeping the rents reasonable.
Since they banned smoking in pubs its gone downhill, i went to a pub that wouldn't even allow me to vape in the garden, needless to say they lost my custom.
Smokers and vapors don't actually realise how bad they smell.Even walking down the street near one is unpleasant. If that's your pleasure then maybe do it at home. Consideration for others is a social behavior for us all.
@@pixie706 you’ve just been manipulated into that mindset. Sheep alert. I have been on and off smoking. Take it or leave it nowadays. The worst smell is occasionally getting a whiff of it when someone comes indoors from smoking one.
@@Redsnapper123 my husband smoked . His breath and clothes and hair stank. People who smoke don't seem to smell it.if anyone smoking passes me in the street the smell wafts along behind them . i have a good sense of smell . Even hate garlic or curry smells. This channel is not for arguments just facts
Plus it’s not such a great experience anymore. You can’t sit at the bar, smoking and now vaping gone. People are drinking actually more than ever they are just binge drinking at home because it’s so expensive.
When i was young i often went to the pub after i got home from work Especially Friday nights after i got paid. Sure i had a drink or two but i was there to socialise, play darts,eight ball etc and cattch up with friends of course If my friends were not there,even if i could afford a few drinks,i wouldn't bother. These days i drink rarely if i go out but usually at home
All of society is changing, faster in some places than in others. And we simply have to adapt, and the businesses that don't, will fade away, sadly. I see what is happening is an attack on families, our values and it seems to me that while preaching about diversity being a good thing, we are actually being forced to accept one way of thinking. But Heaven forbid that we should say this in a public place, especially in pubs where people are more likely to let their guard down. You are adapting, Karen, taking steps towards becoming more resilient. Communication is not dead, it has moved from a bricks and mortar place to the Internet.
My French village of 1000 people has 6 thriving bars. People go for coffee, tea and other drinks. We go for coffee occasionally and there's always people there. UK prices are so high. Totally different vibe from British pubs. No one is drunk here, or I've never seen anyone worse for wear. No chain pubs or coffee shops here.
Pubs are dying because people have less spare cash and the prices are escalating. We can't sit there and not buy anything .
The publicans are trying to cope with outlay. It's a viscious circle.
Karen has made a great point about repurposing . Even just a part of the premises could maybe get let out to various groups or uses if the landlord would allow
I just think society has changed so much because of the last 4 plus years. With lock downs and division that many are just keeping to themselves more. And of course financial restraints.
Whole cities were ghost towns for months and it’s never recovered.
Small town pubs here in Australia are closing down but some are reinventing themselves with accommodation for overnight travellers.
We are all finding our way back, differently, from these past years
To be honest I don't like pubs, I don't drink alcohol, dislike being around drunk people and hate the smell of stale beer so have never liked being in pubs. I know lots of people who don't drink much because it's too expensive, they don't have the time either. Pubs could become a community hub in a non drinking sense but most of us are working all hours just to pay the bills.
I am the same, I don't drink alcohol, hate being surrounded by drunks, hate the smell too, and the stares when you go in as a woman. I prefer cafes, feel safer
Sadly, we all want that country pub to be there when we are on holiday or enjoying a weekend with family and friends, but the rest of the time ... we keep away. Why? For the reasons you mention: the high cost, so many giving up alcohol (and non-alcoholic drinks can be more expensive than beer/wine, believe me) and just a general trend towards staying in and entertaining at home. We aren't watching every penny, but we certainly couldn't afford to be out to the pub every few nights, or even once a week. It seems inevitable that the majority of pubs will slowly disappear unless they are repurposed as community centres, which sounds a lot less profitable.
Any commercial property must have an income to be profitable, or even to cover taxes and insurance. Any business or social club must have a revenue stream in order to do this. And that revenue stream is getting down to a trickle, because people across the board do not or will not spend money if they can't afford to. Anything that is not necessary is being tossed in the trash bin by those who are running on fumes financially. Even necessary services/goods are seeing a downturn, as people shop for the lowest price, and will cut corners in order to get it, or will do without. Even people who need car repairs will do without their car if they can't afford to pay for it. The level of economic shrinkage right now is dire. But I like how you think outside the box, as I do the same thing. Try to figure out how to make something work. Better minds than mine might figure this out. How about if the property was shared by more than one company? In the states, Pizza Hut shares space with a chicken wings restaurant not far from me. Like people, maybe businesses need to share the rent.
Pubs are priced out of the equation.
But the building and the owner (brewery) will still have overheads to cover - cost of drinks (alcohol or otherwise), rents, wages, power - which all cost money and that is the main brunt.
All very well people going and nursing a coffee for a hour or so, but that would have to be a very expensive coffee to make it worthwhile 😞
I have a friend who has a small local place. I was thinking recently that these may be the places that people start gathering to share ideas, especially during this current climate. At the beginning of the US, these are the places the founders and their followers would gather.
Back in 1980, I took a break from college and traveled to England for a year, and during that time I worked in a pub in Torquay. We had a strong core group of regulars year 'round, and during the season, we had tons of tourists. I loved working there because of the camaraderie, and I got to know many fine people. Over the years, working at the Royal Vic has remained as one of my very fondest life experiences.
Prices going up, people having less in common as far as music, philosophy, even what we eat, to be our common ground, access to news from other venues, and polarization by media, it is rough for the older ways of socializing. I hope a community-friendly solution rises out of the decline.
I don't go there as pubs don't feel safe, on fris and sats they have security guards because of some yobs
i reshared this with Virginia, USA with the crackdown to online speech without the pubs there's no public square for the communities. This is real bad news.
I really don't mind the pubs closing. I don't drink alcohol, don't like rowdiness, I don't like going there on my own,, don't like yobs on Fris and Sats, pub fights, drunk driving. sceaming kids, barking and aggressive dog bites, I prefer cafes to meet friends, though I wish they would open till 11pm they can be turned into houses rather than our green belt
Here in canada we all go to coffee shops to socialize. The biggest one is Tim Hortons named after a great hockey player who died many years ago. They have lots of food to choose from and of course the best coffee. We Canadians love hockey and coffee lol.
Good ol' Timmy's!!
Still stupid expensive coffee.
@@Redsnapper123 no Starbucks is the most expensive coffee. Tim Hortons coffee is not too expensive and they help a lot of charities.
The more enlightened pubs here in Cornwall have changed their profile, such that, it is used by more of the community. So, they are offering really good quality cake and coffee in the morning (aimed at mums on the way back from the school run, retired folks out shopping/ meeting up); quality lunches in a restaurant section ( fir the above folks + business folk); tea and cakes in the afternoon (aimed at the after school crowd) then meals and a lot more alchol in the evenings. Others have become very high quality dining featuring wonderful local produce. All have, as you suggested function rooms for weddings and birthdays etc. The old British Boozer - which was mostly for men with a parlour for women is rare now, and perhaps its time is past?? They now need to cater for all types of folks. While the internet may have replaced pubs for chatting etc - the trouble is that, with the algorithm feeding you stuff it thinks you will like, you get 'group think' and little diversity of opinion - it is by debating what we think we know with those that disagree with our viewpoint, that we grow and can clarify what we think. Phew! I'll shut up now! 😂
Can't abide pubs, the smells are gross
Need to bring back smoking?
agreed, I can't stand them either
Do you think the no smoking policies have changed public culture?
No. Public culture is changed by the press. The no smoking policies would never have got off the ground without the press demonising it for years on end.
I do know how much of a community center pubs are in the UK/Ireland. I find it sad.
"Mom and Pop" restaurants and diners are almost non-existent in much of the States anymore, in many towns. Some small towns still have them, there may be some in cities where there are stronger neighborhoods, but I believe they are going down.
I think it is part of the bigger plan to separate us, because many places are standing empty instead of keeping the rents reasonable.
If it is a problem for the community maybe it is on the community to find a solution?
Since they banned smoking in pubs its gone downhill, i went to a pub that wouldn't even allow me to vape in the garden, needless to say they lost my custom.
Exactly my comment.
Smokers and vapors don't actually realise how bad they smell.Even walking down the street near one is unpleasant. If that's your pleasure then maybe do it at home. Consideration for others is a social behavior for us all.
@@pixie706 you’ve just been manipulated into that mindset. Sheep alert. I have been on and off smoking. Take it or leave it nowadays. The worst smell is occasionally getting a whiff of it when someone comes indoors from smoking one.
@@Redsnapper123 my husband smoked . His breath and clothes and hair stank. People who smoke don't seem to smell it.if anyone smoking passes me in the street the smell wafts along behind them . i have a good sense of smell . Even hate garlic or curry smells. This channel is not for arguments just facts
@@pixie706 how about consideration for my way of life. It is actually legal to vape in an open area.
Plus it’s not such a great experience anymore. You can’t sit at the bar, smoking and now vaping gone. People are drinking actually more than ever they are just binge drinking at home because it’s so expensive.
i am glad the smoking, vaping has gone, it is so anti socially and smelly
When i was young i often went to the pub after i got home from work
Especially Friday nights after i got paid. Sure i had a drink or two but i was there to socialise, play darts,eight ball etc and cattch up with friends of course
If my friends were not there,even if i could afford a few drinks,i wouldn't bother. These days i drink rarely if i go out but usually at home
All of society is changing, faster in some places than in others. And we simply have to adapt, and the businesses that don't, will fade away, sadly. I see what is happening is an attack on families, our values and it seems to me that while preaching about diversity being a good thing, we are actually being forced to accept one way of thinking. But Heaven forbid that we should say this in a public place, especially in pubs where people are more likely to let their guard down. You are adapting, Karen, taking steps towards becoming more resilient. Communication is not dead, it has moved from a bricks and mortar place to the Internet.