Good shit Brandon. That is a really interesting point that we haven't seen much of Sadie at all. We haven't seen a ton of anything, but I do not recall seeing Sadie at all...maybe once? Her being in makeup and them keeping it on the DL makes sense, even if it is far fetched.
Right! Like yea it's a stretch saying she's full on in Vecna makeup, but it's extremely odd we havent seen almost anything. The only times I can find or have seen is a BTS photo with Lucas and Her in the hospital, and in the BTS promo video from a few months ago, they show her walking through the costume department, with a trench coat on lol, and her hair slicked back like she was on her way to makeup. Who really knows, but I'm stoked lol, much love my friend!
The only way Max wakes up is if Vecna is killed. There’s a reason that Chrissie, Fred (and Patrick) are pillars inside Henry’s house in the Upside Down. Is Max there too, or isn’t she? All the people who Henry used to create the megagate should be pillars inside that weird, dreamlike, Creel house. Now that I think about it, that house isn’t in the Upside Down. As Dustin indicated in season 4 the unfinished, dreamlike, Creel house might be in Vecna’s mind. Could it be someplace else? Vecna uses fear and guilt to manipulate his victims’ minds- make them see what he wants them to see. Max found that red house, Vecna didn’t want her to see that, did he? How did Max do it? How did she enter Vecna’s mind? He was chasing her in the cemetery when she found it. Is the cemetery a key location, or is there something in the cemetery that helped Max? If that is in Vecna’s mind then it isn’t a memory. If it were it would look exactly like the Creel house he inhabits in the Upside Down. Instead of a memory is it a “wish”, a desire, a clue to what he wants? A blueprint of his plans. Is everything we can see there a crucial part he needs to complete his “house”- his plans? That grandfather clock must be important, or signify something. Does it just stand for his need for time? Time to do what? Maybe that clock, if someone could get to it, could show his entire plan. Go to that place and move the hands of that clock forward and backwards to see into Vecna’s past and future plans!!! No one but Max has been there. Even El could only get there through Max. Is Max the key 🔑. The key to predicting Vecna’s next moves? 😮
Great points! Vecna seems to have to connect to the vines in the Upsidedown at the Creel House to enter into people's minds & bring them to his Mindlair. His process was disturbed with Max, but to me it seemed that when Eleven resurrected Max, she seemed to do so by transfering memories into her heart...but only memories that the two of them shared....as opposed to other ones excluding Eleven when Max managed to escape Vecna in the Dear Billy episode. This could mean that while Max's soul is trapped in Vecna's Mindlair, she has memories to hide in....& so like how Joyce & them managed to help Will from being fully engulfed by the Mindflayer in S2, Max's letters will similarly help save Max in S5. It's a common theme throughout the entirety of the show that power comes from memories, & so in order to defeat the villain's powers one has to draw upon loving memories rather than dark ones!
Interesting theory. When she referred to the letters as a fail safe I always found the choice of Interesting. When you really think about the definition of a fail safe.
@@gemeaux333 She explains a little bit I think, to Dustin in Season 4 Chapter 2 after she goes there when the cops show up to Eddies. I'm not entirely sure if she talks in depth about them, but that would be a wild addition to Season 5 for sure. Like flash backs to Max's nightmares... LOVE THAT!
Did you know that the Duffers took a lot of inspiration from the game "Life is Strange" (2015) and its prequel dlc "Before the storm" for Stranger Things in general and Max more specifically ? like Maxine Mayfield is the love child of Maxine Caulfield, Chloe Price and Rachel Amber perhaps would you like to investigate that fact
I have never heard of that actually so no doubt I would love to look into that for sure! Let me do some hunting and I could totally figure out a Reference Theory for that! Shout out is in order! Much love my friend, new video dropping in about 30 mins!
@@gemeaux333 My mind is completely stuck on the Female Vecna influence, being Max lol. I tuly think that since we haven't seen her in any BTS phtots, only a few. The major one being in the BTS Teaser for the filming for S5. She's walking through the costume department, hair slicked back, like she's on her way to makeup. When they posted that IG post with the Female Vecna makeup tutorial, I noticed the girls hair is slicked back in order to do the make up correcttly. If you look at Sadie in the BTS Teaser, in looks super similar to how the lady looks in the IG post. I could be so far fetched with this thought, but I just have this strong feeling we are going to see battles between our group, while trying to save the group, everything upside down, until it's right side up again!
@@DLA_AlternativePodcast I just remembered that in Life Is Strange Double Exposure, that just got released and mark the return of Max Caulfield, the plot turn around Max's friend Safi (Safiya) who basically is like 008/Kali when it comes to powers (she can make peoples see what she want) and personality
This is probably off topic, but there were so many scenes in this show where characters have been choked: Hopper in season 2, Eleven in season 3 and 4, Max, Nancy Robin and Steve in season 4 that I just can't take these scenes seriously. I mean, they've done it so many times, the choking is really long so somebody could rescue them, and no one died anyway, so I don't know, it's just funny to me. And maybe I forgot to mention someone because I watched the show a while ago. I wonder if they are going to change that in season 5, because when you think about it, being suffocated is a terryfing way to die. But then why they are doing that so many times
Absolutely phenomenal for real. I have never thought about it how MANY times they do that actually. Definitely could use this for mini theory no doubt! Would love to shout you out as well when I get it ready! Much love!
I myself have 2 theories: 1.) what is Dr.brenner and Dr.Owens know something that nobody else knows regarding Hawkins. What if this whole entire time their plans were to destroy Hawkins to rule out any evidence on what they have ever done in the lab? All the lab workers they wanted this to happen they wanted Hawkins and the entire town to be put at risk because of their failures or discovery of the upside down itself if they hadent there would’ve been no point to even have a lab. Think about it in season four when el and will move to California to get a fresh “ new start” El can’t catch a break because angels has been relentlessly bullying her. My theory in Angela is that Dr.owens and brenner hired her so they could find eleven and bring her back to Hawkins. Angela really didn’t like el and el knew that. After making pointless nit picky jokes to eleven throughout all of season four and finally pissing her off el tried to use her telekinesis on Angela and failed to which angels goes “ what is she doing?” And everybody laughs at el that’s not coincidental. Also for all we know Lenora could be bigger or smaller than Hawkins but why would el want to go to rink I mania when angels was there when we know damn well el dosent even like her why? Because angels knows what she’s thinking at rink o mania when el gets fed up she hits Angela in the face which means Angela secretly one because an hour later el get arrested? than when she’s driving away coincidently dr.owens found el and saved her from going to jail? That makes no sense. They just probibkry hired angels to see where el was in the world and see if she still had her powers which it worked and they were still able to take control of her. I love el but she is so guillable. Someone at the Hawkins lab hired angels to harass el and get it out of her to see if she had superpowers or not and how strong she was. Yeah maybe el giving her a broken knows wasent scripted but she still got people’s attention she saw how people were starring at her and she felt like a “ monster” because angels just wanted a reaction to go tell the lab workers an update on el. Call me crazy but that’s my theory
1. Season 1 and 2 help us learn these Doctor's characteristics and Capabilities which none of what you've said aligns with it. We've seen Brenner chase after El like a CIA agent he is even with her powers intact. Why would they wanna play games instead of shooting her on the spot while her powers were asleep. I feel like with Dr Brenner being away he always knew war was co
Sorry my battery died while typing just glad I didn'thave to start afresh... but all the Lab numbers are Brenner's prized objects and has lost so many and 011 and 008 , okayyyy andd 001 are the only ones left(if not Willl included) and the one he can easily manupulate is 011 to carry out his own psychopathic agendas. These Doctor's knew for a long time what was to come I don't think they will have the time to address this fully in s5. I think Dr. Owen's absence in s3 is shady, and he knew more than was shown to us. That stare by Dr Owens at the end of s3 ep8 was kinda weird to me.
at the end of the last chapter of Stranger Things VR : The resurrection of Mad Max, you have to protect Max ,stuck in a tentacle pillar the way of the other trophees, from waves of ghost (probably a representation of Vecna's corruption), you will succeed eventually but Max won't remlain intact (however if you succeed in preventing Max to get any damage you get the Gardian Angel achievement) as a part of the corruption will reach her, Max is freed and alive but her personnality seems to be impacted Max : "Its ok El, its my turn now, whatever happen, promise you will remember me... and now get out of here stupid" and finally Max is awakening in a gasp
Could be it's just odd to me man lol! Like it very well could be just cuz she's in a hospital bed and they did show us that awhile back, but it's definitely weird to me. In the promo for the BTS trailer awhile back, they show her walking through the costume department, trench coat lol, hair slicked back like she's on her way to makeup or something. Lol literally just had to rewatch that promo vid to make sure my facts were straight LMFAO, much love always my friend!
I have not, but that's super interesting. Now thinking of it there are probably loads of theories based off this lol. I have a few thoughts of how I'm gonna roll with this one I think. Much love my friend as always!
Great video! Greetings from Lithuania, where they filmed some parts for season 4 🤭
YESS! Much love my friend. It makes me so happy seeing people from all of the world getting to view these. It's truly amazing so thank you always!
Good shit Brandon. That is a really interesting point that we haven't seen much of Sadie at all. We haven't seen a ton of anything, but I do not recall seeing Sadie at all...maybe once? Her being in makeup and them keeping it on the DL makes sense, even if it is far fetched.
Right! Like yea it's a stretch saying she's full on in Vecna makeup, but it's extremely odd we havent seen almost anything. The only times I can find or have seen is a BTS photo with Lucas and Her in the hospital, and in the BTS promo video from a few months ago, they show her walking through the costume department, with a trench coat on lol, and her hair slicked back like she was on her way to makeup. Who really knows, but I'm stoked lol, much love my friend!
The only way Max wakes up is if Vecna is killed.
There’s a reason that Chrissie, Fred (and Patrick) are pillars inside Henry’s house in the Upside Down. Is Max there too, or isn’t she?
All the people who Henry used to create the megagate should be pillars inside that weird, dreamlike, Creel house.
Now that I think about it, that house isn’t in the Upside Down. As Dustin indicated in season 4 the unfinished, dreamlike, Creel house might be in Vecna’s mind. Could it be someplace else?
Vecna uses fear and guilt to manipulate his victims’ minds- make them see what he wants them to see. Max found that red house, Vecna didn’t want her to see that, did he? How did Max do it? How did she enter Vecna’s mind? He was chasing her in the cemetery when she found it. Is the cemetery a key location, or is there something in the cemetery that helped Max?
If that is in Vecna’s mind then it isn’t a memory. If it were it would look exactly like the Creel house he inhabits in the Upside Down. Instead of a memory is it a “wish”, a desire, a clue to what he wants? A blueprint of his plans. Is everything we can see there a crucial part he needs to complete his “house”- his plans? That grandfather clock must be important, or signify something. Does it just stand for his need for time? Time to do what? Maybe that clock, if someone could get to it, could show his entire plan. Go to that place and move the hands of that clock forward and backwards to see into Vecna’s past and future plans!!!
No one but Max has been there. Even El could only get there through Max. Is Max the key 🔑. The key to predicting Vecna’s next moves? 😮
Great points! Vecna seems to have to connect to the vines in the Upsidedown at the Creel House to enter into people's minds & bring them to his Mindlair.
His process was disturbed with Max, but to me it seemed that when Eleven resurrected Max, she seemed to do so by transfering memories into her heart...but only memories that the two of them shared....as opposed to other ones excluding Eleven when Max managed to escape Vecna in the Dear Billy episode.
This could mean that while Max's soul is trapped in Vecna's Mindlair, she has memories to hide in....& so like how Joyce & them managed to help Will from being fully engulfed by the Mindflayer in S2, Max's letters will similarly help save Max in S5.
It's a common theme throughout the entirety of the show that power comes from memories, & so in order to defeat the villain's powers one has to draw upon loving memories rather than dark ones!
your channel is so underrated
Love this! Thank you and don't worry we'll take the world by storm no doubt lol! Much love!
Interesting theory. When she referred to the letters as a fail safe I always found the choice of Interesting. When you really think about the definition of a fail safe.
Right! Definitely brings more of a meaning to the term "fail safe" especially involving the letters. This show is just truly wild for real lol!
@DLA this show is truly one of a kind lol
@@DLA_AlternativePodcast did Max know what was going to happen, like if her nightmares showed her much more than Billy's death ?
@@gemeaux333 She explains a little bit I think, to Dustin in Season 4 Chapter 2 after she goes there when the cops show up to Eddies. I'm not entirely sure if she talks in depth about them, but that would be a wild addition to Season 5 for sure. Like flash backs to Max's nightmares... LOVE THAT!
Did you know that the Duffers took a lot of inspiration from the game "Life is Strange" (2015) and its prequel dlc "Before the storm" for Stranger Things in general and Max more specifically ? like Maxine Mayfield is the love child of Maxine Caulfield, Chloe Price and Rachel Amber
perhaps would you like to investigate that fact
I have never heard of that actually so no doubt I would love to look into that for sure! Let me do some hunting and I could totally figure out a Reference Theory for that! Shout out is in order! Much love my friend, new video dropping in about 30 mins!
@@DLA_AlternativePodcast also, with that, Max having powers in season 5 is not so far fetched
@@gemeaux333 My mind is completely stuck on the Female Vecna influence, being Max lol. I tuly think that since we haven't seen her in any BTS phtots, only a few. The major one being in the BTS Teaser for the filming for S5. She's walking through the costume department, hair slicked back, like she's on her way to makeup. When they posted that IG post with the Female Vecna makeup tutorial, I noticed the girls hair is slicked back in order to do the make up correcttly. If you look at Sadie in the BTS Teaser, in looks super similar to how the lady looks in the IG post. I could be so far fetched with this thought, but I just have this strong feeling we are going to see battles between our group, while trying to save the group, everything upside down, until it's right side up again!
@@DLA_AlternativePodcast I just remembered that in Life Is Strange Double Exposure, that just got released and mark the return of Max Caulfield, the plot turn around Max's friend Safi (Safiya) who basically is like 008/Kali when it comes to powers (she can make peoples see what she want) and personality
This is probably off topic, but there were so many scenes in this show where characters have been choked: Hopper in season 2, Eleven in season 3 and 4, Max, Nancy Robin and Steve in season 4 that I just can't take these scenes seriously. I mean, they've done it so many times, the choking is really long so somebody could rescue them, and no one died anyway, so I don't know, it's just funny to me. And maybe I forgot to mention someone because I watched the show a while ago.
I wonder if they are going to change that in season 5, because when you think about it, being suffocated is a terryfing way to die. But then why they are doing that so many times
Absolutely phenomenal for real. I have never thought about it how MANY times they do that actually. Definitely could use this for mini theory no doubt! Would love to shout you out as well when I get it ready! Much love!
I myself have 2 theories: 1.) what is Dr.brenner and Dr.Owens know something that nobody else knows regarding Hawkins. What if this whole entire time their plans were to destroy Hawkins to rule out any evidence on what they have ever done in the lab? All the lab workers they wanted this to happen they wanted Hawkins and the entire town to be put at risk because of their failures or discovery of the upside down itself if they hadent there would’ve been no point to even have a lab. Think about it in season four when el and will move to California to get a fresh “ new start” El can’t catch a break because angels has been relentlessly bullying her. My theory in Angela is that Dr.owens and brenner hired her so they could find eleven and bring her back to Hawkins. Angela really didn’t like el and el knew that. After making pointless nit picky jokes to eleven throughout all of season four and finally pissing her off el tried to use her telekinesis on Angela and failed to which angels goes “ what is she doing?” And everybody laughs at el that’s not coincidental. Also for all we know Lenora could be bigger or smaller than Hawkins but why would el want to go to rink I mania when angels was there when we know damn well el dosent even like her why? Because angels knows what she’s thinking at rink o mania when el gets fed up she hits Angela in the face which means Angela secretly one because an hour later el get arrested? than when she’s driving away coincidently dr.owens found el and saved her from going to jail? That makes no sense. They just probibkry hired angels to see where el was in the world and see if she still had her powers which it worked and they were still able to take control of her. I love el but she is so guillable. Someone at the Hawkins lab hired angels to harass el and get it out of her to see if she had superpowers or not and how strong she was. Yeah maybe el giving her a broken knows wasent scripted but she still got people’s attention she saw how people were starring at her and she felt like a “ monster” because angels just wanted a reaction to go tell the lab workers an update on el. Call me crazy but that’s my theory
I believe that Dr. Owens helped Joyce relocate to California, so he knows where they are.
1. Season 1 and 2 help us learn these Doctor's characteristics and Capabilities which none of what you've said aligns with it. We've seen Brenner chase after El like a CIA agent he is even with her powers intact. Why would they wanna play games instead of shooting her on the spot while her powers were asleep. I feel like with Dr Brenner being away he always knew war was co
Sorry my battery died while typing just glad I didn'thave to start afresh... but all the Lab numbers are Brenner's prized objects and has lost so many and 011 and 008 , okayyyy andd 001 are the only ones left(if not Willl included) and the one he can easily manupulate is 011 to carry out his own psychopathic agendas. These Doctor's knew for a long time what was to come I don't think they will have the time to address this fully in s5. I think Dr. Owen's absence in s3 is shady, and he knew more than was shown to us. That stare by Dr Owens at the end of s3 ep8 was kinda weird to me.
Great theory! Just found your channel last week and I’m glad I did! We are Stranger Things super fans in my house🙃😂
Oh same here NO DOUBT LOL! Much love and appreciate you and the fam!
at the end of the last chapter of Stranger Things VR : The resurrection of Mad Max, you have to protect Max ,stuck in a tentacle pillar the way of the other trophees, from waves of ghost (probably a representation of Vecna's corruption), you will succeed eventually but Max won't remlain intact (however if you succeed in preventing Max to get any damage you get the Gardian Angel achievement) as a part of the corruption will reach her, Max is freed and alive but her personnality seems to be impacted
Max : "Its ok El, its my turn now, whatever happen, promise you will remember me... and now get out of here stupid"
and finally Max is awakening in a gasp
This is a good one
Definitely going to branch more into this one I'm thinkin lol. Much love as always!
This is a interesting theory
I think they don’t want to reveal to us that Max lives and that’s why we haven’t seen Sadie at all behind the scenes
Could be it's just odd to me man lol! Like it very well could be just cuz she's in a hospital bed and they did show us that awhile back, but it's definitely weird to me. In the promo for the BTS trailer awhile back, they show her walking through the costume department, trench coat lol, hair slicked back like she's on her way to makeup or something.
Lol literally just had to rewatch that promo vid to make sure my facts were straight LMFAO, much love always my friend!
have you heard of the theory about Lucas and eleven reading their letters maybe in the hospital
I have not, but that's super interesting. Now thinking of it there are probably loads of theories based off this lol. I have a few thoughts of how I'm gonna roll with this one I think. Much love my friend as always!