In the ST comic, it's revealed that Will actually sees Eleven walking through the forest in the Upsidedown, & that he actually shouted at her for help before she disappeared. She was even wearing that yellow Benny's Burger t-shirt, which just adds more questions rather than providing answers lol!
Every time you say "Mind Flyer" I think of a kite. Would be a sick ass kite though ngl. Also I'm pretty sure Eleven lost her powers because of the slug thing that the Corporeal Mind Flayer put in her leg. Later we find out that Vecna did that solely to steal Eleven's ability to open gates. Which does make me a bit confused because the gate in the tree roots with Nancy. But I'm guessing gates can open on their own through natural erosion of the boundary between the USD and the RSU. Also Will being the chosen "Host" explains why the USD represents Hawkins at the moment Will was taken. When Henry got sent there, it was all prehistoric looking. Sure Henry could've constructed it himself but I think the infection basically scanned Will's life and copied it over.
I am so glad i ran into your channel. These theories and comments are so amazing. 1. I always thought it was weird that kali tells El to use anger but henry says use sad anger memory and it seemed to me kali may be bad. Love to know more of her story. 2. Max states in srason she can be a zoomer, hint of season 4. 3. I belive El and will met as kids. Before 11/1983. Why, because in season 4 he tells mike el told him to draw it, but he drew the boys and a dragon as a kid. Also when hopper is in the shed where Will disappear there seems to be like a hole, and if it is, that is a portal. During the game season 1.1 , i bet vecna is watching the boys play and when they leave will runs into him and the chase begins. But el was in the woods as well, why because in srason 1 at the lab, brenner asks, is there where it came from and the girl too. I think vecna came for el because Will has ultimate power.
They make a point of showing us repeatedly throughout the seasons that Mike cannot be on good terms in his relationship with El and his friendship with Will at the same time. Like, when one gets his attention, the other suffers. I’ve always thought that meant El and Will are much more deeply connected than meets the eye.
It's gotta mean that no doubt! After really paying attention to this topic and only this topic when reviewing, it was crazy how much more the story made sense. Much love my friend and love your thoughts!
i've been watching your videos lately, and i love hearing your theories! I hope we get the answers in season 5 and it doesn't leave any of them unanswered.
Same here no doubt! Much love and thank you so much for the support, I truly appreciate every single one of you that are showing me so much respect for real! My honest thought is that's why we always have to wait so damn long from season to season lol. I mean last time was delayed due to obvious reasons lol. But the long time frames, give them SO MUCH time to always do it right, and get them answered. Lets hope Season 5 gives us exactly the answers we've been waiting for!
This is absolutely the realest video you ever made. This is not even a theory at this point but just straight facts. Interesting prospective. Never even came to mind but now it all clicks
Ok...what if?? El actually tried to help Will hide in the upside down? El didn't appear in the woods until after Will disappeared. The monsters don't have mind powers to unlock doors. Vecna was not yet out of the upside down.. What if El was trying to unlock the door to help Will and when he ran she opened the shed door like you pointed out DLA. Gosh there are too many possible theories lol
Right!!! Lol I definitely think El is a major reason why Will vanished, and for that reason exactly, to help. Then in reality, created a huge problem she realized when she saw his picture in S1. SOOO MANY THEORIES lol much love always my man!
@@DLA_AlternativePodcast I'm also interested to see if setting fire to Vecna caused the Mind Flayer to release Henry. Remember how the mind flayer released Will because of the extreme heat. What if Henry is free of the mind flayer now?
@@davidm7852 LMFAO your good my man haha! Trust me I do the same thing when watching the channels I do. This video lead my mind everywhere when filming it lol.
Will saying "The demogorgon...it got me" BEFORE he vanished has always bothered me! It's almost as if Will is the architect of the Upsidedown....because his drawings have always materialized! There's some connection between Will & Time....& his parallel with Henry even adds to oddity! If timetravel is to come into play in S5, then i bet Will will be central to this storyline.
100% no doubt! I truly think will is a "dreamer" sorta like we see with Max when she starts getting affected by Vecna. If Will is a "dreamer" rather than a telepath or mind flyer, maybe his dreams are whats creating this reality. We get the reference of "Nightmares" in Season 4, but what if these aren't nightmares but yet Will's dreams... If that's the case then I am extremely nervous for Will's journey and fight through S5 lol!
@DLA_AlternativePodcast My outlandish theory is that Will is unknowingly a time-traveller & has foresight....& that he shares more than just a connection to Henry Creel but could actually be Henry himself due to timetravel & soul transference as well as having had his memories erased. This would explain the Why Will question, as well as his "now memories". I get this from the ST VR Gameplay, the original Montauk Project conspiracy theories, one of the stageplay trailer teasers, as well as Will's obvious parallels to Henry, & so if this be the case then Will could end up being the hero who sacrifices himself to save everyone....redeeming himself after having betrayed the party & Eleven in particular during S5. Bonkers I know but it's only a theory!
@@Wazzu_07 LOL IT"S JUST A THEORY WAZZU! Lmfao! I love that! Now thinking of it, honestly if you mix our 2 thoughts together they make perfect sense. Oh Wazzu I think I thought of an idea! Shout out is in order!!!
@@DLA_AlternativePodcastTo your good point about Will being a "dreamer"....it is hinted at by a young Alice Creel when she t5ells "It's like a DREAM" while running up the stairs when the Creel family first moves into Hawkins. Henry has a history of manifesting nightmares through visions to individual characters just to scare them .....suggesting that the final S4 scene could be just another vision he makes Will see....allowing tor the 18month S5 timejump without having to explain the S4 fallout.
I wish that Will had powers, Lonnie could bring him to the lab, when Joyce wasn't around and make money on it. Also that could explain how Eleven knew how Will looks like
@ currently binging your theories and they are absolutely incredible. You and film stocked are the best on RUclips for sure, so I guess I can forgive you. I look forward to more
@@TheOutsider-8834 You have no idea how honored that made me feel just now! I love Film Stocked, he's so credible and logically informative for sure. He's definitely an inspiration to this channel no doubt, so hearing that just made my day for real! So thank you very much!
i’ve never really thought about how will and el met but i think i just came up with a theory about how and why el recognized will in the photo… i always assumed el recognized will because she must have seen him in the void. since el can’t look directly into the upside down the way Will can, the only way she could have seen will in her mind was if she saw him in the void (like when she visited will in the void when he was hiding in castle byers) BUT one thing we know about el and the void is that she can only see people there if she knows what they look like (ex. el took heathers photo from the bulletin at the pool to search for her in the void) at this point, el has never met will which would make it impossible for her to have first seen him in her mind to then later recognize him in the photo. this means that at some point el had to have seen will IN PERSON. The ONLY place el could have possibly seen will in person to then later recognize him in the photo is in the woods. this would have had to occurred on november 6th since it’s the only time it would have been the only time both el and will would have run into each other in the woods. El was in the woods because she had escaped and Will was in the woods because he had fallen off his bike while heading home. I think it’s also important to mention that we know for a fact that on november 6th, will spent the whole day at mikes house playing dnd, which means that the time ONLY time will spent in the woods that day was in the brief moment of him falling off his bike and running home. this means that el must have seen will during that time. okay now i’m gonna go off topic just a little bit to talk about demigorgons (i promise im trying to make a point) in season 1 episode 1, when will is running home away from the demigorgon he locks the door behind him, but then we see someone unlock the door with their powers, i’ve seen a lot of ppl support the theory that since demigorgons don’t have powers to unlock the door telepathically then the person who must’ve unlocked the door was vecna… BUT what if we were wrong? what if it was el who opened the door? could el have possibly been involved with taking will? i mean it must sound like a stretch but it would explain how the door opened and how el recognized will. if we know that el must have recognized will from running into him in the woods then she must have needed to get into pretty close proximity to will to see his face (after all it gets pretty dark in the woods at night) i think we can’t rule out the possibility that el had something to do with wills disappearance, i think she could have possibly opened the door or could have possibly opened the gate in the shed that took will to the upside down.
I love this!!! Check out my Will Byers Theory. In that one we are going on a deep dive into the Vanishing of Will Byers. Also take a look at my Stranger Things Secret Video, the first one, there is something I found during the Vanishing scene in S1C1. Take a look at that one, it will blow you mind and could help your thought process, because we are totally on the same track no doubt! Watch that one and trust me your mind will be blown lol!
I DEFINITELY think they met during the early time of wills disappearence. One thing that is not really talked about is when will is on the hospital, and the boys told him about eleven, he never questioned it. He never said anything like "superpowers?!" He never said anything, but he didn't question it, and especially like mr clark said, will is very smart, and a smart kid would DEFINITELY question a person w superpowers. I think that maybe eleven saw will in the upside or sm idk how but thet met eaelier, and as you said will lost some memory, but it may be a blurry memory of someone having power, which would explain not questioning someone with super powers
This is a very interesting theory! Also, I like that you mentioned the running up the hill moment In season 3 with Will in the middle. Isn’t it interesting how it foreshadows Max running up the hill in season 4. I wonder if that was intentional or not?
I actually have a theory I'm planning talking about that song and Master of Puppets which talks a bit about if it was intentional or not, and if it wasn't what tat would mean. Stay tuned my friend, and much love!
Oh trust me another theory is coming doing a deep dive all about our Time Looper! Great minds think alike, and I know exactly what you mean my friend! Gotta get it filmed but should be getting that one out soon! Much love always fam!
@@sashasixx1683 ohhh shit!!! Could totally be the reason for the name and mix of the two references! Time loops and the White Rabbit, Hopper is like the perfect mix lol! The White Rabbit is always worried about being late too so if you think about it... I have an IDEA! Shout outs are in order for the both of you lmfao! Noice!!! Much love!
Also didn’t will kinda notice and meet eleven during season 1 during the kiddie pool scene where eleven finds barb dead and will in his castle Byers? Maybe he didn’t physically see her though, but he heard her and told them to hurry!
Wow...I didn't even think about the Mind Flayer being the real villain this whole time and that Henry was the one who took the MF in. Def can't wait for S5
RIGHT!!! Oddly enough, without Kallianpublico's comment bringing that up, I really have never thought of that lol. You'd think with how obsessed and much I have analyzed this show, that I would know that already lol. On Godrick literally never put 2 and 2 together. Finding out how big of theory this has been, I was like OH SHIT I'm on it lol. Much love always my friend!! Got you name on the list of A1 Day Ones also, appreciate you for real!
I think there was a photo of el and will tighter on set last week but they were not filming and there actors were just hanging out so could they have been a scene or not ?
English isn't my first language so i appologise for my mistakes. In season 4, i think it was episode "the dive" Steve, Eddie, Nancy and Robin were walking in the woods in the upside down when the earthquake hit. There was a roar, or very similar sound. Sounded like a dragon or smth. Could that be the same dragon/monster from Nancys vision/Wills painting? Can you check this out? I like your theories 😊
You should make more Theories just like this if possible. Like about will and what really happened that night he went missing. Whether who took him or what he saw in the UD. These are really interesting
I DO HAVE SOME ACTUALLY! If you haven't seen em yet check em you'd love them if your interesting in that mystery lol. Check out the "Stranger Things Secrets: The Vanishing of Will Byers" videos first, those are what started the deep dive and kicked off the major investigation with the Will Byers Theory. So all those 3 of those are exactly about what your looking for my friend!!! Much love and thank you so much for the support!!
I have a theory thats probably dumb. It has to do with the Running up the Hill song. What if El trades places with Max like the song says... I dunno.. just a thought. 😊
Definitely not dumb my friend! That actually makes A LOT of sense and I never once thought of that. I'm huge on songs and scores used for film, but not once did I think about that lol!Great thought and definitely want to look more into that and see if I can come up with a cleaver short theory for this! If I manage too, no doubt a shout out is in order my friend! Much love fam!
Yeh I like where you're going with this. Will and El are basically like the upside down of each other, ultimately. I don't know how we get there but it happens during the time Will is lost in the UD. Also. What David said... you're totally right about your mind "flier"/vecna connection. The way you put it leaves no doubt that Vecna is just another flayed victim. I think the flayer does release Henry though somehow for S5 based on the leaked set pics like you said. This all makes so much sense that it just can't be wrong. The mind flayer (or Flier😒) is the final boss not Vecna.
LMFAO I knew someone was going to say it, i just knew it! And I knew it was going to be you my dear lmfao!!! Much love as always, i knew this one was going to be sick. Already have a few ideas for part 2, and shit with the help of the fam I getting loads of ideas to branch off of now. Truly phenomenal!!!
Thats y i think that What if this will is not the real will, the real will died/possessed that day in upside down and mind flayer has sent a clone all this while to spy and execute his plans and will doesn't remember it , like he is like a dormant spy thwt activates when vecna needs him and the thing that increases my suspision is that he seems kinda wired when there is any attack from upside down , he keep touch is back of neck. And all dead people return as his army n will being their head and at the Climax it is shown that all along eleven was part of veccnas army.I say that eleven was part if army becoz she says that she was friend with vecna in lab and she killed him after knowing his dark reality but we don't have proof of it may be just maybe she made this story as the military officers everything started after they saw breners little pet -"el" .
Thanks 🙏 for the mention. But I wouldn’t have been able to come up with those ideas without you. So keep it going! Man oh man did I think of something when you mentioned it. In season 3 El lost her powers at the mall. You said it might be because she used a massive amount of her powers. What if it wasn’t that? What if El lost her powers because a piece of the mind-flayer got inside her and “infected” her? Now, she used her powers to pull that little critter out of her leg, but wasn’t it right after that she lost it? That little old lady eating that fertilizer, along with the rats. What if they did that deliberately to try and poison El!! Better yet what if the mind-flayer used it to absorb El’s powers? In season 3 did the mind-flayer want to kill El? Kill its “enemy”? Or did it want something else? Absorb El’s powers like Henry does to his victims? Or possess El, make her suitable to be a host? Most likely it wanted to kill El, but before it could it would have to disable her powers. How did it know how to disable El’s powers? How did it know what to infect her with? Henry had a device in his neck that disabled his powers . How was that done and who invented that? Did Henry find out about that technology and give it to the mind-flayer? When El uses her powers a lot she gets weak, but she never lost them before. It was only in season 3 when she lost it. Why? More importantly why would regaining lost memories help her gain it back? Lots of loose ends. Must tie them together.
I am determined to tie this knot and bring this all together before S5 drops lmfao! Much love always my friend and team work makes the dream work, so could not be more thankful for the amazing thought that sprung this entire theory. Truly phenomenal, and the fam we're creating is truly a family of beautiful and creative minds no doubt!
I always question the end of season 4 where the whole group meets again and Eleven gets disappeared behind Dustin. There is no way this was a mistake! It’s so huge to miss it! A theory that I had is that Eleven doesn’t possibly even exist, but with your videos I‘m actually thinking that if the group is stuck in a time loop, what if those glitches happened because the butterfly effect caused paradoxes.
I AM SOOOOO HAPPY SOMEONE SAID THE REFERENCE I HAVE BEEN HOLDING OFF ON!!! The Butterfly Effect is one of my favorite movies of all time. My fiance and I watch that movie literally once a month when we get bored of everything else! That movie and the whole explanation of the Effect and how it has effect on everything else by the littlest change, is exactly how it feels to me. Whoever created this Loop, whether it's Eleven, Will.... Jonathan... Hopper... lol I'll leave you with that my friend! New theory about this is already in the works!!!
@@Bothe55 Much love for real! My major goal was that exactly. I see loads of theories for ST and nothing that just seems logical in a world that is very illogical lol. Appreciate you fam and thank you!!!
We have almost deciphered ( the whole vanishing of Will reason and mythology behind it ) and sure this is the answer - When el throws vecna in season 4 flashback the Unexplored dimension he went is a parallel dimension known as CAMAZOTZ and not UD . When el in s1 was searching for henry unknowingly in the water tank she met a Demogorgon in her void and interacted with it which opened gates in s1 as we know . But it didn't only open the gates btwn real world and UD but what really happened was that a physics phenomenon of QUANTUM ENTANGLEMENT takes places btwn el & demogorgon which opens a bridge dimension btwn the camatoz and the real world on 6 nov 1983 which was a mirror of real world with ecosystem of camazotz and this dimension is the UPSIDE DOWN in the show . UD is not stuck in past its rather formed on 6 nov 1983 and never changed after that .. The same phenomenon which i mentioned gave demogorgon telekenis powers of el and thats why it feel vecna kidnpaped Will at the first place . Why will was kidnapped also have to answers with me but not sure which one will be in the show .....
Think of the Upsidedown as a parallel & alternate timeline that branched off on November 6, 1983....similar to Back to the Future 2 where Marty found himself in a different timeline that was altered because Grandpa Biff travelled back in time to hand himself the Almanac. The specificity of Nancy's cuecards contradicts any notion that Will himself created the Upsidedown as he knew it on November 6, 1983. Rather, it's because Vecna has the power to control the flow of time & so it's due to him & his plan to "reshape the world however we see fit" that it is the way it is.
I think Henry Creel is not the Super Villain. He is not the Master Mind. Henry Creel is possessed from an early age by dark forces through black widow spider.
YESSS BADA... BADA... BOOM!!!! Spot freakin' on! Exactly to a tee where my mindset is involving the major force we are dealing with here. Love your thoughts, and much love my friend!!!
Oh most definitely 100%! In the same ways too, and I think Max feeling that throughout 4 was totally a hint at that, yet she might not have known that... yet! Lol with every theory I just keep bringing myself through a never ending loop of connections lmfao!
I still say Will kills Mike because Mike loves 11 and the mind flayer is to powerful and his (Will) jealousy keeps him from continuing to fight against being possessed completely!! If any character deserves to go it’s Mikes dad who is dumb af 😂 he annoys tf out of me !
🤣🤣🤣 Ted Wheeler no doubt is the most irrelevant character we've seen lmfao!!! Imagine if they gave him a Season 5 poster, like how Karen got the Season 4 one. Now that would cause some controversy lmfao! Much love fam!
@@RobPowell-rn7ss LMFAO! Like for real I can picture it my head right now. Ted Wheeler with a Wheeler House background, and his chair and television in the back ground. LOL! I had some comments that people wanted a Ted Wheeler Theory because they think he could work for the Government...
@@lee.mcqueen LOL much love fam! I know it's Flayer, for some reason when I speak quick I mumble my words lol. Trust me next time talk about the creature will surely enunciate that name lmfao!
In the ST comic, it's revealed that Will actually sees Eleven walking through the forest in the Upsidedown, & that he actually shouted at her for help before she disappeared. She was even wearing that yellow Benny's Burger t-shirt, which just adds more questions rather than providing answers lol!
Here's the link to the first chapter of Will's ST comic.
ruclips.net/video/-rMkoeN_mpY/видео.htmlsi=K-yBZNmaIUgFx7_q
Every time you say "Mind Flyer" I think of a kite. Would be a sick ass kite though ngl.
Also I'm pretty sure Eleven lost her powers because of the slug thing that the Corporeal Mind Flayer put in her leg. Later we find out that Vecna did that solely to steal Eleven's ability to open gates.
Which does make me a bit confused because the gate in the tree roots with Nancy. But I'm guessing gates can open on their own through natural erosion of the boundary between the USD and the RSU.
Also Will being the chosen "Host" explains why the USD represents Hawkins at the moment Will was taken. When Henry got sent there, it was all prehistoric looking. Sure Henry could've constructed it himself but I think the infection basically scanned Will's life and copied it over.
I am so glad i ran into your channel. These theories and comments are so amazing.
1. I always thought it was weird that kali tells El to use anger but henry says use sad anger memory and it seemed to me kali may be bad. Love to know more of her story. 2. Max states in srason she can be a zoomer, hint of season 4.
3. I belive El and will met as kids. Before 11/1983. Why, because in season 4 he tells mike el told him to draw it, but he drew the boys and a dragon as a kid. Also when hopper is in the shed where Will disappear there seems to be like a hole, and if it is, that is a portal. During the game season 1.1 , i bet vecna is watching the boys play and when they leave will runs into him and the chase begins. But el was in the woods as well, why because in srason 1 at the lab, brenner asks, is there where it came from and the girl too. I think vecna came for el because Will has ultimate power.
They make a point of showing us repeatedly throughout the seasons that Mike cannot be on good terms in his relationship with El and his friendship with Will at the same time. Like, when one gets his attention, the other suffers. I’ve always thought that meant El and Will are much more deeply connected than meets the eye.
It's gotta mean that no doubt! After really paying attention to this topic and only this topic when reviewing, it was crazy how much more the story made sense. Much love my friend and love your thoughts!
i've been watching your videos lately, and i love hearing your theories! I hope we get the answers in season 5 and it doesn't leave any of them unanswered.
Same here no doubt! Much love and thank you so much for the support, I truly appreciate every single one of you that are showing me so much respect for real!
My honest thought is that's why we always have to wait so damn long from season to season lol. I mean last time was delayed due to obvious reasons lol. But the long time frames, give them SO MUCH time to always do it right, and get them answered. Lets hope Season 5 gives us exactly the answers we've been waiting for!
This is absolutely the realest video you ever made. This is not even a theory at this point but just straight facts. Interesting prospective. Never even came to mind but now it all clicks
Ok...what if?? El actually tried to help Will hide in the upside down? El didn't appear in the woods until after Will disappeared. The monsters don't have mind powers to unlock doors. Vecna was not yet out of the upside down.. What if El was trying to unlock the door to help Will and when he ran she opened the shed door like you pointed out DLA. Gosh there are too many possible theories lol
Right!!! Lol I definitely think El is a major reason why Will vanished, and for that reason exactly, to help. Then in reality, created a huge problem she realized when she saw his picture in S1. SOOO MANY THEORIES lol much love always my man!
@@DLA_AlternativePodcast I'm also interested to see if setting fire to Vecna caused the Mind Flayer to release Henry. Remember how the mind flayer released Will because of the extreme heat. What if Henry is free of the mind flayer now?
@@davidm7852 I talked about that towards the end lol when I showed the pictures of him lit up like a candle lol
@@DLA_AlternativePodcastyou did lol my bad. My mind was going everywhere before I finished the video lol
@@davidm7852 LMFAO your good my man haha! Trust me I do the same thing when watching the channels I do. This video lead my mind everywhere when filming it lol.
Will saying "The demogorgon...it got me" BEFORE he vanished has always bothered me! It's almost as if Will is the architect of the Upsidedown....because his drawings have always materialized!
There's some connection between Will & Time....& his parallel with Henry even adds to oddity! If timetravel is to come into play in S5, then i bet Will will be central to this storyline.
100% no doubt! I truly think will is a "dreamer" sorta like we see with Max when she starts getting affected by Vecna. If Will is a "dreamer" rather than a telepath or mind flyer, maybe his dreams are whats creating this reality. We get the reference of "Nightmares" in Season 4, but what if these aren't nightmares but yet Will's dreams... If that's the case then I am extremely nervous for Will's journey and fight through S5 lol!
@DLA_AlternativePodcast My outlandish theory is that Will is unknowingly a time-traveller & has foresight....& that he shares more than just a connection to Henry Creel but could actually be Henry himself due to timetravel & soul transference as well as having had his memories erased. This would explain the Why Will question, as well as his "now memories".
I get this from the ST VR Gameplay, the original Montauk Project conspiracy theories, one of the stageplay trailer teasers, as well as Will's obvious parallels to Henry, & so if this be the case then Will could end up being the hero who sacrifices himself to save everyone....redeeming himself after having betrayed the party & Eleven in particular during S5.
Bonkers I know but it's only a theory!
@@Wazzu_07 LOL IT"S JUST A THEORY WAZZU! Lmfao! I love that! Now thinking of it, honestly if you mix our 2 thoughts together they make perfect sense. Oh Wazzu I think I thought of an idea! Shout out is in order!!!
@@DLA_AlternativePodcastTo your good point about Will being a "dreamer"....it is hinted at by a young Alice Creel when she t5ells "It's like a DREAM" while running up the stairs when the Creel family first moves into Hawkins.
Henry has a history of manifesting nightmares through visions to individual characters just to scare them .....suggesting that the final S4 scene could be just another vision he makes Will see....allowing tor the 18month S5 timejump without having to explain the S4 fallout.
I wish that Will had powers, Lonnie could bring him to the lab, when Joyce wasn't around and make money on it. Also that could explain how Eleven knew how Will looks like
Mind. Flayer. Say it with me. Mind. Flayer. Not fire, Flayer
LMFAO I know, I know, it's just the way I speak. Lol I'll never live this down I swear haha 🤣🤣🤣
@ currently binging your theories and they are absolutely incredible. You and film stocked are the best on RUclips for sure, so I guess I can forgive you. I look forward to more
@@TheOutsider-8834 You have no idea how honored that made me feel just now! I love Film Stocked, he's so credible and logically informative for sure. He's definitely an inspiration to this channel no doubt, so hearing that just made my day for real! So thank you very much!
i’ve never really thought about how will and el met but i think i just came up with a theory about how and why el recognized will in the photo…
i always assumed el recognized will because she must have seen him in the void. since el can’t look directly into the upside down the way Will can, the only way she could have seen will in her mind was if she saw him in the void (like when she visited will in the void when he was hiding in castle byers) BUT one thing we know about el and the void is that she can only see people there if she knows what they look like (ex. el took heathers photo from the bulletin at the pool to search for her in the void) at this point, el has never met will which would make it impossible for her to have first seen him in her mind to then later recognize him in the photo. this means that at some point el had to have seen will IN PERSON.
The ONLY place el could have possibly seen will in person to then later recognize him in the photo is in the woods. this would have had to occurred on november 6th since it’s the only time it would have been the only time both el and will would have run into each other in the woods. El was in the woods because she had escaped and Will was in the woods because he had fallen off his bike while heading home. I think it’s also important to mention that we know for a fact that on november 6th, will spent the whole day at mikes house playing dnd, which means that the time ONLY time will spent in the woods that day was in the brief moment of him falling off his bike and running home. this means that el must have seen will during that time.
okay now i’m gonna go off topic just a little bit to talk about demigorgons (i promise im trying to make a point) in season 1 episode 1, when will is running home away from the demigorgon he locks the door behind him, but then we see someone unlock the door with their powers, i’ve seen a lot of ppl support the theory that since demigorgons don’t have powers to unlock the door telepathically then the person who must’ve unlocked the door was vecna… BUT what if we were wrong? what if it was el who opened the door? could el have possibly been involved with taking will? i mean it must sound like a stretch but it would explain how the door opened and how el recognized will. if we know that el must have recognized will from running into him in the woods then she must have needed to get into pretty close proximity to will to see his face (after all it gets pretty dark in the woods at night)
i think we can’t rule out the possibility that el had something to do with wills disappearance, i think she could have possibly opened the door or could have possibly opened the gate in the shed that took will to the upside down.
I love this!!! Check out my Will Byers Theory. In that one we are going on a deep dive into the Vanishing of Will Byers. Also take a look at my Stranger Things Secret Video, the first one, there is something I found during the Vanishing scene in S1C1. Take a look at that one, it will blow you mind and could help your thought process, because we are totally on the same track no doubt! Watch that one and trust me your mind will be blown lol!
I DEFINITELY think they met during the early time of wills disappearence. One thing that is not really talked about is when will is on the hospital, and the boys told him about eleven, he never questioned it. He never said anything like "superpowers?!" He never said anything, but he didn't question it, and especially like mr clark said, will is very smart, and a smart kid would DEFINITELY question a person w superpowers. I think that maybe eleven saw will in the upside or sm idk how but thet met eaelier, and as you said will lost some memory, but it may be a blurry memory of someone having power, which would explain not questioning someone with super powers
Spot on to a tee where my mindset is at no doubt! I am a firm believer that the Mr. Clarke lessons tell all lol!
This is a very interesting theory! Also, I like that you mentioned the running up the hill moment In season 3 with Will in the middle. Isn’t it interesting how it foreshadows Max running up the hill in season 4. I wonder if that was intentional or not?
I actually have a theory I'm planning talking about that song and Master of Puppets which talks a bit about if it was intentional or not, and if it wasn't what tat would mean. Stay tuned my friend, and much love!
His name is literally HOPPER. If anyone is hopping through time wouldn’t it be Jim?
Oh trust me another theory is coming doing a deep dive all about our Time Looper! Great minds think alike, and I know exactly what you mean my friend! Gotta get it filmed but should be getting that one out soon! Much love always fam!
Maybe the White Rabbit from Wonderland represents Hopper? The one who always looks at his pocketwatch@DLA_AlternativePodcast
@@sashasixx1683 ohhh shit!!! Could totally be the reason for the name and mix of the two references! Time loops and the White Rabbit, Hopper is like the perfect mix lol! The White Rabbit is always worried about being late too so if you think about it... I have an IDEA! Shout outs are in order for the both of you lmfao! Noice!!! Much love!
Also didn’t will kinda notice and meet eleven during season 1 during the kiddie pool scene where eleven finds barb dead and will in his castle Byers? Maybe he didn’t physically see her though, but he heard her and told them to hurry!
Wow...I didn't even think about the Mind Flayer being the real villain this whole time and that Henry was the one who took the MF in. Def can't wait for S5
This one of the biggest mistery of Stranger Things! 😱❤️🔥
RIGHT!!! Oddly enough, without Kallianpublico's comment bringing that up, I really have never thought of that lol. You'd think with how obsessed and much I have analyzed this show, that I would know that already lol. On Godrick literally never put 2 and 2 together. Finding out how big of theory this has been, I was like OH SHIT I'm on it lol. Much love always my friend!! Got you name on the list of A1 Day Ones also, appreciate you for real!
I think there was a photo of el and will tighter on set last week but they were not filming and there actors were just hanging out so could they have been a scene or not ?
English isn't my first language so i appologise for my mistakes.
In season 4, i think it was episode "the dive" Steve, Eddie, Nancy and Robin were walking in the woods in the upside down when the earthquake hit. There was a roar, or very similar sound. Sounded like a dragon or smth. Could that be the same dragon/monster from Nancys vision/Wills painting? Can you check this out? I like your theories 😊
Much love!!! I will gladly look into it and I would love to shout you out for springing an idea for a video on me!!! Appreciate you fam!!!
@@DLA_AlternativePodcast greetings from Lithuania 😉
@@greenangel0078 Yes!!! How could I forget my Lithuanian family member!!! Much love always!!!
You should make more Theories just like this if possible. Like about will and what really happened that night he went missing. Whether who took him or what he saw in the UD. These are really interesting
I DO HAVE SOME ACTUALLY! If you haven't seen em yet check em you'd love them if your interesting in that mystery lol. Check out the "Stranger Things Secrets: The Vanishing of Will Byers" videos first, those are what started the deep dive and kicked off the major investigation with the Will Byers Theory. So all those 3 of those are exactly about what your looking for my friend!!! Much love and thank you so much for the support!!
I have a theory thats probably dumb. It has to do with the Running up the Hill song. What if El trades places with Max like the song says... I dunno.. just a thought. 😊
Definitely not dumb my friend! That actually makes A LOT of sense and I never once thought of that. I'm huge on songs and scores used for film, but not once did I think about that lol!Great thought and definitely want to look more into that and see if I can come up with a cleaver short theory for this! If I manage too, no doubt a shout out is in order my friend! Much love fam!
Yeh I like where you're going with this. Will and El are basically like the upside down of each other, ultimately. I don't know how we get there but it happens during the time Will is lost in the UD. Also. What David said... you're totally right about your mind "flier"/vecna connection. The way you put it leaves no doubt that Vecna is just another flayed victim. I think the flayer does release Henry though somehow for S5 based on the leaked set pics like you said. This all makes so much sense that it just can't be wrong. The mind flayer (or Flier😒) is the final boss not Vecna.
LMFAO I knew someone was going to say it, i just knew it! And I knew it was going to be you my dear lmfao!!! Much love as always, i knew this one was going to be sick. Already have a few ideas for part 2, and shit with the help of the fam I getting loads of ideas to branch off of now. Truly phenomenal!!!
Will wasn't will when we woke up. Wasn't he like possessed or channeling vecna. Also El knew who will was because she saw "castle byers".
Thats y i think that What if this will is not the real will, the real will died/possessed that day in upside down and mind flayer has sent a clone all this while to spy and execute his plans and will doesn't remember it , like he is like a dormant spy thwt activates when vecna needs him and the thing that increases my suspision is that he seems kinda wired when there is any attack from upside down , he keep touch is back of neck. And all dead people return as his army n will being their head and at the Climax it is shown that all along eleven was part of veccnas army.I say that eleven was part if army becoz she says that she was friend with vecna in lab and she killed him after knowing his dark reality but we don't have proof of it may be just maybe she made this story as the military officers everything started after they saw breners little pet -"el" .
I think Hopper had sex with Steve’s mom before he went to Vietnam and she married Steve’s “Dad” 😂when she found out that she was pregnant 7:12
AHYYYYOOOOO LMFAO! Interesting... very interesting lol 🤣🤣🤣
Thanks 🙏 for the mention. But I wouldn’t have been able to come up with those ideas without you. So keep it going!
Man oh man did I think of something when you mentioned it. In season 3 El lost her powers at the mall. You said it might be because she used a massive amount of her powers. What if it wasn’t that?
What if El lost her powers because a piece of the mind-flayer got inside her and “infected” her? Now, she used her powers to pull that little critter out of her leg, but wasn’t it right after that she lost it?
That little old lady eating that fertilizer, along with the rats. What if they did that deliberately to try and poison El!! Better yet what if the mind-flayer used it to absorb El’s powers?
In season 3 did the mind-flayer want to kill El? Kill its “enemy”? Or did it want something else? Absorb El’s powers like Henry does to his victims? Or possess El, make her suitable to be a host?
Most likely it wanted to kill El, but before it could it would have to disable her powers. How did it know how to disable El’s powers? How did it know what to infect her with?
Henry had a device in his neck that disabled his powers . How was that done and who invented that? Did Henry find out about that technology and give it to the mind-flayer?
When El uses her powers a lot she gets weak, but she never lost them before. It was only in season 3 when she lost it. Why?
More importantly why would regaining lost memories help her gain it back? Lots of loose ends. Must tie them together.
I am determined to tie this knot and bring this all together before S5 drops lmfao! Much love always my friend and team work makes the dream work, so could not be more thankful for the amazing thought that sprung this entire theory. Truly phenomenal, and the fam we're creating is truly a family of beautiful and creative minds no doubt!
I always question the end of season 4 where the whole group meets again and Eleven gets disappeared behind Dustin. There is no way this was a mistake! It’s so huge to miss it!
A theory that I had is that Eleven doesn’t possibly even exist, but with your videos I‘m actually thinking that if the group is stuck in a time loop, what if those glitches happened because the butterfly effect caused paradoxes.
I AM SOOOOO HAPPY SOMEONE SAID THE REFERENCE I HAVE BEEN HOLDING OFF ON!!! The Butterfly Effect is one of my favorite movies of all time. My fiance and I watch that movie literally once a month when we get bored of everything else! That movie and the whole explanation of the Effect and how it has effect on everything else by the littlest change, is exactly how it feels to me. Whoever created this Loop, whether it's Eleven, Will.... Jonathan... Hopper... lol I'll leave you with that my friend! New theory about this is already in the works!!!
@ I also loved the movie although haven’t watched it for yeaaaars!
Your videos have inspired my thinking process for ST 😊
@@Bothe55 Much love for real! My major goal was that exactly. I see loads of theories for ST and nothing that just seems logical in a world that is very illogical lol. Appreciate you fam and thank you!!!
We have almost deciphered ( the whole vanishing of Will reason and mythology behind it ) and sure this is the answer -
When el throws vecna in season 4 flashback the Unexplored dimension he went is a parallel dimension known as CAMAZOTZ and not UD .
When el in s1 was searching for henry unknowingly in the water tank she met a Demogorgon in her void and interacted with it which opened gates in s1 as we know .
But it didn't only open the gates btwn real world and UD but what really happened was that a physics phenomenon of QUANTUM ENTANGLEMENT takes places btwn el & demogorgon which opens a bridge dimension btwn the camatoz and the real world on 6 nov 1983 which was a mirror of real world with ecosystem of camazotz and this dimension is the UPSIDE DOWN in the show . UD is not stuck in past its rather formed on 6 nov 1983 and never changed after that ..
The same phenomenon which i mentioned gave demogorgon telekenis powers of el and thats why it feel vecna kidnpaped Will at the first place .
Why will was kidnapped also have to answers with me but not sure which one will be in the show .....
Think of the Upsidedown as a parallel & alternate timeline that branched off on November 6, 1983....similar to Back to the Future 2 where Marty found himself in a different timeline that was altered because Grandpa Biff travelled back in time to hand himself the Almanac.
The specificity of Nancy's cuecards contradicts any notion that Will himself created the Upsidedown as he knew it on November 6, 1983. Rather, it's because Vecna has the power to control the flow of time & so it's due to him & his plan to "reshape the world however we see fit" that it is the way it is.
I think Henry Creel is not the Super Villain. He is not the Master Mind. Henry Creel is possessed from an early age by dark forces through black widow spider.
YESSS BADA... BADA... BOOM!!!! Spot freakin' on! Exactly to a tee where my mindset is involving the major force we are dealing with here. Love your thoughts, and much love my friend!!!
I think Will has powers and Max might too.
Oh most definitely 100%! In the same ways too, and I think Max feeling that throughout 4 was totally a hint at that, yet she might not have known that... yet! Lol with every theory I just keep bringing myself through a never ending loop of connections lmfao!
My theory is that max could be the next one to be possessed by the mind flayer or maybe holly wheeler could be possessed as well
I'm definitely leaning towards Max no doubt!
@@DLA_AlternativePodcast same
I still say Will kills Mike because Mike loves 11 and the mind flayer is to powerful and his (Will) jealousy keeps him from continuing to fight against being possessed completely!! If any character deserves to go it’s Mikes dad who is dumb af 😂 he annoys tf out of me !
🤣🤣🤣 Ted Wheeler no doubt is the most irrelevant character we've seen lmfao!!! Imagine if they gave him a Season 5 poster, like how Karen got the Season 4 one. Now that would cause some controversy lmfao! Much love fam!
@@DLA_AlternativePodcast hahahaha his face on a poster would be hilarious
@@RobPowell-rn7ss LMFAO! Like for real I can picture it my head right now. Ted Wheeler with a Wheeler House background, and his chair and television in the back ground. LOL!
I had some comments that people wanted a Ted Wheeler Theory because they think he could work for the Government...
Why do you pronounce it “mind flyer”? You have to know it’s “mind flayer”. He flays people.
Love these videos btw!
@@lee.mcqueen LOL much love fam! I know it's Flayer, for some reason when I speak quick I mumble my words lol. Trust me next time talk about the creature will surely enunciate that name lmfao!
Eleven is no byers break up mileven season 5 forever