Raid leading: What it is
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Today I explain what raid leading really is, and what it takes to be one.
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you chuckle about bandwidth but that's exactly how project managers and producers in business talk about their team's ability to work effectively. it's a real thing. playing and raid leading is about having insanely good context switching. sacrificing your own abilities to support your group is insanely hard and takes a ton of bandwidth,
On god
IMHO this is what has been missing in the raid community to raise raiding execution holistically, thank you for doing this.
Agreed. Started organizing my own raids in classic wotlk and was looking around for tips and info about RLing and its so sparse!! I was surprised.
But these days we're clearing everything at a solid pace(we're one of the fastest on our servers horde side in clearing ICC and i would say a lot of that is thanks to Maximus videos helping me improve cause my group are all great individually. 😁
Honestly I've been looking forward to this type of content from you Max. I look forward to the content you’ll create in the future! Keep up the great work man!
Really great start to the series. I've heard a lot of these thoughts during your streams but it's great to have it in a centralized location. Looking forward to the future videos.
Love you started a channel. Could listen to you talk about this for ages. So much valuable info.
this video sir is much needed in the community,i wanna thank you for that i will share it to all my guild,im a new g.m bit by default and i want to do the best i can.Its nice to have perspective from top players.
Max, these are awesome videos. I really enjoy watching this series and picking your brain. Such great insights or conversations that most people need to hear
I checked a lot of your content and i want to say thank you. You gave me the will to help my guild for Raid Leading. I think i can make things better with your tips
Excited to hear your thoughts on cliques within guilds I've run into that in a lot of different places. Loving the videos keep it up!
Awesome to see you on RUclips!
I started raid leading in Castle Nathria for my little guild and I'm having so much fun with it. I've got ~natural leadership skills~ and raid leading comes easily to me, but I am always trying to improve and be a better leader for my raid - these videos are really helpful. I already recognise the good things I do that you describe, as well as areas where I can improve, especially as we now are progressing through heroic. Thank you!
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Agreed
Good shit we need good raid leaders out there
Been watching this series to attempt to get better at raid leading in my static in ff14. I know 2 completely different games but it still gives me alot to think about. I used to tell my static to not fully rely on callous and to learn mechs by yourself, but now I understand more that yes some mechanics players should learn by themselves if they have RNG aspects to them but alot of the static things I can call out and they can be more focused on other things. Thanks for the helpful videos.
Thank you @maximum for these vids. Even though I'm just co-RL in a HC guild that dabbles a bit in Mythic, these are very helpful and tbh also very encouraging. High end raiding has a bit of hostile machismo to it and your approach is a very welcome counterpoint to that. It is clear that you understand management and leadership, I look forward to hearing more about what you have to share on RLing.
I've literally been waiting for this channel! You're by far my favorite streamer on Twitch, so thanks for this man. Looking forward to that video explaining why life-long tank players don't end up tanking in the RWF :)
Hey Max. Thank you for these videos. I have always wanted to raid lead but never got a chance until this tier (I took a break after Cataclysm). We just finished our first night after the move and while we did have to pug some people, my officers and GM that I raided before on a different server told me there was a noticeable difference in how I was raid leading and that everyone played better. It was all due to watching these few raid leading videos.
Great vid. Really looking forward to all the upcoming RUclips content.
I'm using your advice for my new guild, and I am thankful for your input!
I just became the raid leader for my raid because ours left and this video is SUPER HELPFUL for me. I was telling my raiders last weekend that Hungering Destroyer was a “personal responsibility” fight lol. Show us the ways!
Thanks. We need more of this
This plus your others videos are super helpful. I've raid lead PUGs and none serious groups, and with this being my first tier of CE raid leading, these videos are awesome for refocusing on priorities and little tid bits of knowledge. I think you said you're going to do this, but knowing what setups/helpful addons you use for raid leading would be super helpful.
I really enjoy your content! thanks for making these
awesome series Max thank you very much for that!!
Awesome video sir! Thank you for this!
Great video, thanks for the thoughts.
Ty for the vid. Great advice!
this is fantastic! thank you!
I found you 2 days ago. I was keeping an eye on the Castle run to World First. But I RL as tank for more than 5 years. I shared the RL with my wife. to help me during fights. But as healer or ranged dps its way easier to maintain and control the raid. Nice video.
Hey Max, I love your content (even tho I watch you much more on Twitch), always very informative, transparent and complete! I was wondering if you could maybe share with us which playlist you're using while streaming because that's really the type of musique I'd like to listen to while gaming as well! Much love
love this! keep it up !
Great insight thanks!
Great vid. Kinda wanted to get into raidleading but didn't know how. And also you have to get used to look at the camera instead of the where chat used to be!
Liked and subbed cause I’m going to start raid leading and I absolutely need your leading to better raid leading lol
I'm in a fairly casual guild,.. but i took it upon myself to lead some slightly more, Hardcore content,.. just so we offer more variety, and retain the members that want that. That said,.. I'M NOT GREAT! I really appreciate this, and similar vids. I plainly see, the better i get, the more we ALL progress!! TY Very Much, and keep up the great work.
Gg man keep it coming
I needed this video more than ever, holy fuck
what i don't like about most raid leaders is their igo and the way they talk to recruits
Thanks dude. Earned the comment
Excellent content
Discovered your videos recently as I'm getting back in PvE.
Can't help but agree with all of your views on PvE, I strongly dislike guilds that point fingers towards 'poorer' player and assume everyone should focus on mechanics always, minimal call out, and top players thinking they're getting dragged down.
Good leadership ensure that you bring out the best out of your group, bad one alienates the group towards itself and perception that it's the other one's fault.
these videos are gold
Thanks Max.. This shit is sick.
on hungering there is usually 1 person in each of our marks that is good at calling, the RL made it so the healers have top prio to stay on the mark they are close to when the WA or what ever gives you a marker. was rough at first, but ppl have became quite good at handling themself then newer players get thrown toward a certain mark where they are more heavily controlled
Raid leading is legit 100% exactly like any "real" job that´s about management and leadership. xD
That´s why alot of good leaders in WoW have group management jobs IRL.
Yeah I wish..... The amount of management I do for my guild, I'm disappointed my IRL career doesn't give me the opportunity to be a manager.
it's also the same frustration that you meet in IRL. Normal Raiders stand in Fire, Normal Workers Slack of work and don't get their jobs done. But I can confirm guild and raid-leading is 100% like leading a company. Also Freelancing is like puging.
@@EisbaerOO haha Freelancing=pugs! xD
Pure cancer, true.
Love the vid man! Got one question though, and you probably said that you were gonna make a vid about it. Is there any preferable or specific role (dmg dealers/healers or tank, that is the most viable to raidlead? And should you also have one calling out healing rotation cds, or should that go with the raidleader also?
As the RL for my HC focussed guild, I found it hard at points to play a tank because i was always trying to make sure taunt swapping and boss positioning was correct, which caused me to lose focus on the fight as a bigger picture. So I switched to dpsing and now i play fury warrior in CA. My dmg isn't great because well warrior, but i can do my rotation with my eyes closed and my full focus can go to the fight. It's extremely satisfying to achieve curve with my guild like we did last week and i'm not even mad that im mid/bottom tier dps. As to what I find most important as a RL, is indeed guiding other players through the fight and teaching them, whilst communicating in a way that I keep their respect.
Good video
Limit are so good that Max has started explaining to other guilds how to beat them. I just hope the game survives long enough to see a world first race of 5 guilds or more.
What is the weak aura for the miasma/health tracker? Also (and I'm sure you are planning this) but could you make a vid on helpful addons/weakauras for raid leading? Love the info.
Needs to be a TED talk!
You mention raid leading from tank is the worst but it generally happens that way because of personality traits that are shared between leading and tanking. What would the best position be? Rdps or heals?
As a raid leader I think ranged dps is the best position for it...however I always try to have my main tank be an officer and have a healer officer as well
I don't even pve btu I love your vids
One advantage I have is I have played my hunter since vanilla- so I can play at a decent level with basically no thought given to it.
But one of the biggest misunderstandings raiders have about good raid leading is just how much attention and brain power it does take to do it properly. I’m the eyes and ears for 19 others. Any one thing I can take off them is one less thing they have to worry about.
It actually developed into a meme with my guild- my raiders would ride me about my DPS and I would respond with “I have to raid lead!” But on the flipside, my goal with my roster is for me to be bottom DPS. This in turn brings out the competitor in me making me better. A healthy raid should be one big positive feedback loop.
Great commentary for a tank who is trying to learn how to better the comms of our raid group. I play prot pally (Friann-Tichondrius), and raid leading has been I think one of the real hurdles for us as a newly formed 3/10M group. Keep making youtube content, stuff is awesome
Bro i was having a hard time leading koz i just met people noncomfort, this videos made me release little bit
Max, you have to look more at the camera! Keep it up :D
Not sure why that matters to this video
Nice
Is that t-shirt a reference to your “birds and dogs” categorization of WoW mobs?
Honestly Max is such a chad
How do you go about identifying which mechanics to raid lead effectively? Is it something you decide before you pull for the first time?
What expansion has been the hardest to raid lead in since you started?
Master Max, love what you do. Throughout all your epic journeys raiding have you ever come across a macro or script to set world markers fast. Something @cursor with no post click required. Want the markers on cursor without having to click if that makes any sense. Love and blessings.
sorry if you've covered this already
this dude has it figure out.
What are your thoughts on RLing as a healer? You mention lacking DPS in exchange for good leading is worth it, but its hard to imagine that being ok from a HPS position.
Fire Mage is a good class as raid leader. You see mist things, the rota relys on procks so its easy and fun and you can focus on the harder things.
cool
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During the start of Shadowlands, I've found myself the leader of both a new guild and our raid, so this video and whole series is PERFECT!
Thanks Max :) Go Limit!
next challenge is kill hungering no disc no shaman ^^
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Also, what a hot boi
Hey Max just wanted to let you know as an officer I selflessly took myself off the team to be a dedicated RL. If you ever want to do content around coaching the 21st man lmk (our team is made up of retired world first guys from Cata/MoP) super high end players coming back for SL
I try very hard to RL well. How do I know when its a team issue and not a RL issue? We cannot get bosses down this expansion. I have RL AOTC into CE before, but we are 3/10H right now. Our guild got AOTC last expansion in Nya. We have better players this expansion and still can't push. I follow the CL guides
these videos are a good replacement to the asmongold content drought rn, thanks
Let's be honest, in my 15 years of this game I had 2 guilds where people could be arsed to click button when me or other raid leaders asked them to do so. It was like utopia. Next video: "raidleading cesspool"
How to raid lead: MOAR DOTS ! ! ! FFFFUUUUUUUUCK ! ! ! NEGATIVE 50 DPS ! ! !
You don't need to be "born" with inherent leadership skills to be a good raid leader. I believe the majority of the population is able to proficiently raid lead with enough time and practice. Necessity is the mother of invention and people are adaptable.
Humans are not created equal and some are more natural leaders than others.
@@Aggrofool Yes, this is true. It doesn't make anything I said wrong...
It's a simple logic altho seems hard to accept and execute. Because of course It's better to have 19 people playing at 90% than 20 people playing at 60%.
As a raider in a mythic guild. How would you recommend a raider address an issue where a raider clearly under-performs. Consistently. Were talking 220+ ilvl warlock. (Swaps between demo and destro. Mains demo.) And caps around 5k burst cd dps and sustains between 2k-3.5k in mythic raid. Seeks no assistance to get better. Raid logs. And the only positive things that I can say are that he's a good person and consistently shows up. (Were fighting roster boss atm)
What overall impacts do you think this has or could have on the raid group as a whole, morale, respect for the RL, things like that.
And how would you recommend addressing the raid leader who seems to be OK with bringing him just to make 20.
(As a side note, this individual also regularly causes wipes on mythic Inerva and Xymox.)
Thanks max for your time and these videos.
max. only thing i have to say, idk if your streaming during these videos but i see you looking to the bottom right of the video, instead of the camera, just a small thing, but a little tip
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"a lot of people know what you can be doing" basically max why he isnt raiding he would just wipe em
First? First.
you should just record these videos on streams, then you can just clip it and upload it to youtube and you get a splash of chat interaction in there too which is entertaining. maybe have the chat up on a small area of the screen
Think Twitch has this content agreement, that if you stream on twitch, you cant upload it straightaway to youtube, theres time limit for it - which is days or maybe a full week? So by doing youtube video only, you can do it now.
The worst thing I think a raid leader can say is something like "how did you miss that you should watch your timers". Like no? You should be raiding leading better that's your entire job, its both our faults.
If only more raidleader were more than glorified DBM/BW voice packs that get mad at people whenever they die to something that could've been avoided if the glorified voice pack just.... did something. Or even better, if the glorified voice pack didn't just start randomly not calling out stuff anymore.
boring life waste of time