Raid Leading: 10 Most Common Mistakes
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Yesterday on stream, I went through the new class buffs, and talked about what each specs buffs meant for them. On top of that I shared my experience of dealing with Delta over the weekend.
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Introduction: 0:00
Talking too much: 0:10
Optimizing your UI: 2:10
Tanking: 3:50
Not being self critical: 3:54
Being yourself: 5:06
The ratio...: 7:08
Copying the meta: 7:30
Recruiting like you're playing pokemon: 9:53
Explaining an entire boss fight: 10:22
Processing mistakes: 11:30
Outro: 13:27
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I love how your pupper is on your arm like "dad, you're talking to yourself again. Be careful, they lock people up for that."
Dude legit please keep this youtube channel going, in the 12 years that I've played world of warcraft, you're literally the first person that can hold my attention for long enough to explain stuff about wow to me, whether it's boss fights, or general tips.. It's like watching a video before doing a boss, and actually remembering a bunch of details from the video when you show up to the boss for the first time
As a mid progression mythic RL this channel has instantly become a must-watch and incredible resource. Love the videos! I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on how to push past certain tiers of progression speed. What mindset can we help foster to move from a guild that's around Council now to one that could be on Generals for instance. The parses are typically there but our rate of learning seems to lag compared to what I feel our team is capable of.
YEs sir. its incredibly interesting to watch
He technically did mention that in this video. A lot of the times your guild will kill a boss when your least aware player figures it out. So as RL, its important to identify who those players are and work with them inside and outside of raid to get them to the level of your other players.
Doing this with kindness is also important. Don't just berate them in front of everybody.
Love all the content you've put out over this past week. Simply listing to someone as knowledgeable as yourself talk is such an awesome thing to have. Big ups
Great series of videos. I've been raid leading a progression team for 5 months now. There's a few really good tips in these videos that I've learned the hard way. Wish I'd have seen this when I first started. Please keep making more!
You've been killin' it with these videos! Super happy you've taken on this challenge! Thank you!
Echo fan here, absolutely love your takes. Love how you break with the "meta" of 2/3/9 combs and people trying to catch them all for their guilds. Great work, keep it up!
Damn Max, you're pumping these videos harder than Trill pumped Denathrius! Thanks for the sick content!
Super great series so far. It's been crazy informative! I think a video on how to look at logs and analyze them would be helpful for both raid leads and players alike.
Great content so far, really want to see more undercover raid leading! That is a fantastic series idea that should be fleshed out more!
Thank you for putting out these videos. My guild is working through Heroic, and a lot of what you've said really resonated with me, and makes me understand why we occasionally wipe on a "progression" boss, as we (as officers) forget that when we were initially progressing through, we were reminding people where to go, markers, etc. Luckily my guild is on the "player, not class" mentality, even though we're missing a couple of raid buffs, but haven't found any of our raiders that want to fully commit to one of those classes (alt nights? sure, but mains, no).
I've watched this over and over and over to really let it manifest. You hit the spot on many of the mistakes I make. Thank you for a great guide, I needed to hear this
Love to hear that. Always learnin myself as well
Greatly appreciate the videos you've been putting out! As a 6/10m player in a brand new guild where we all have much higher aspirations than US 460th, I can say that our entire guild is learning a ton from your videos. Keep up the amazing work!
You are killing it with these videos. All of them in the
raid leading series have been great and informative.
Thank you so much for these videos. I started raid leading and guild leading a group of friends here in SL coming back to the game after years. These videos are a huge source of help and inspiration. Please keep them up.
I would like to see a video with tips about approach learning and strategizing for a new progress boss fight, what resources can i use, what type of mechanics should I look for as my "call-out mechanics" (the ones with sound ques you talk about).
Loving the videos man, ive been raid leading for a few months now and these are great tips and rules to lead by and live by !
Thank you so much for this video even if it's a year old. I'm new to raid leading, and well had some major opportunities fall into my lap over night, and I feel like I'm in over my head. It's good to see that I pretty much get these mistakes and haven't been doing them. I'm glad you mentioned people learn differently, for me it's a mix of knowledge and hands on.
I hope you pick this series back up because it's completely changed my outlook on raid leading and significantly improved my leadership skills in general since I naturally am horrible at that sort of thing. I've gotten massive returns out of it irl and in game, and the info you put in here is fucking excellently articulated and very informative. I hit the bell the first week this channel was made for the raid leading videos.
Can’t wait to hear more takes on recruiting!
Dude i love your channel, i have watched almost all of your videos so far and i gotta tell you that its not only very informative but very entertaining. Please keep it up brotha!
I just started raid leading after 12 years of only being a raid member. Watching you, talking about your experiences is just gold.
Loving the Content! Been a GM/RL since 2012 to a group of some of the closest and nicest peeps I've met online, we're only a AotC guild and nothing more but some of the stuff I watch Limit (and Echo) for are these things to help improve our dynamic. Keep it up Max!
super informative and definitely gave me something to mull over. Small things I can change to make it less of a chore and more of a good experience for all. I do try to be easy going, but I am definitely harder on myself. Thank you again, for quality content.
Been loving all these videos and would love to see a video about how you approach strategy when seeing a boss for the first time!
Thanks so much for this great content. My guild has some troubles atm and this is exactly what we need. Cheers
Really like these videos! I go through almost all of them with our raid leading squad to keep working at our mistakes. Also, good reminder to subscribe cause I thought I already was since your videos kept popping up in my youtube front page.
I love the editing in this vid! Concise messaging due to the editing, also disappearing doggos.
litterally enjoy hearing u talking. So much raiding guilds/leaders thats just off compared to what u pointed out and its really nice to see one of the best point thease small things out :) gj and good luck forward Max
Very insightful 👍 Keep it up Max!
Hey Max. I have watched two of your videos and this one made me kinda love you. You have hit a few points that players really needed to hear. I am talking about the ratio thing, the meta thing, and the learning from mistakes. My personal feeling on progress: I have run with guilds where our progression is perfectly linear. It's predictable to see when we will complete the raid. However, I will give an extra week of cushion for last boss because it's always the most mechanically heavy fight and we might not have the gear for it just yet. But man, so many guilds don't see that progress is going great and will manage to lose their minds because of the two sweaty A-holes that just think and expect that the preparation and composition are enough to clear the raid. As long as there is progress, things are going just fine. Its madness. Meta, comp, and ratios are NOT everything. Thank you for making this video and being a great player. I'll watch more videos and subscribe.
Man, I gotta say. These videos are astronomically phenomenal! Absolutely love them!
Love the content Max, can't wait for the guild clicks video you hinted about earlier
I feel like content like this is exactly what a lot of people want to see. Good shit Max
Great Videos. Helps me so much to get better as Raidlead in the Raid. Good Job.
fascinating series of videos! loving this content
Good stuff. I feel like processing mistakes is a HUGE skill to learn. Doing it poorly saps so much energy from a raid, and can spiral a good progression night in to regression in the blink of an eye.
Just started raid leading this expansion cause no one else wanted to do it and the videos are so helpful - thank you so much!
Saw ur first video yesterday, just started playing wow again 2 weeks ago after 4 years off. You are amazing man, keep making videos! ❤️😁
I just watched like all of your videos, I really liked all of them. It's just really interesting to hear your thought process with all of your experience. Honestly I'd like to hear anything you'd talk about. Even shit that's like kinda click baity like a tier list of all raid tiers or something would be super interesting to hear, or how you like fights in progression vs farming.
superb video, some of the pug points ive been echoing for years, the ratios, meta classes, wf comps etc. i have a friend's guild that sat their best 3 players because they're melee, then put in a bunch of guys playing meta specs who don't know how to play and struggle on easy bosses because of it
Great video as always! Keep up the good work!
Hey dude loving the frequent uploads, it's a good listen on my drives home from work. Not a raid leader or anything but I still find your take on things interesting and love hearing you talk. Keep up the great content!
I love the "explanation of a bossfight" point. In Nya when we got to Carapace (cleared trash after our first Ilgynoth kill) our raidleader just said "pull it". Wiped very fast but it helped immensely to get people to see the start of the fight. I'm raidleading in Nathria now (first time RL a tier) and at the start I was running my mouth before pulling bosses and quickly found out that it just doesn't work. Love the videos, great resource for people like myself who want to up their game. Thank you.
These videos are brilliant, thanks for all this. I heard you were on the way to becoming a music educator before you found WoW. I think you would've made a fine conductor if life didn't have other plans. Thanks for helping us become better raid leaders!
"Don't die" also known as The Saurfang Strat.
Great vid nice tips especially the one about not talking for three hours before pull
These are so freaking well done
Loved the video, great information!
Loving these videos. Would love to hear your take on what makes a good raider, from a raid leader's perspective. Basically, how can one contribute the most to a raid outside of a leadership position, and besides just pumping big numbers.
Hey man, absolutely love the content you've been putting out regularly, such a great tool for new raid leaders like myself, if I was to ever make a request it would be to potentially see a video where there are maybe Pro's and Con's for being a raid leader in each role (Tank, Healer, Rdps, Mdps) which will give great insight into how differing perspectives depending on that role can have an impact on how leading is done. :)
Love your content! In terms of what else I would watch, maybe some interviews with your class leads.
yo im real glad your moe active on your youtube channel man! love the vids. Great advice lkeep it up!!
I'm learning to raid lead as a relatively new player, thanks for this great guide Max, appreciated.
Love the videos my man!
Every single vid you put out is pure content, love it.
Keep it up Max, enjoying the hell out of these videos!
Great video and excellent advice.
Hey max. Loving the series. Id love a video from a raider standpoint in knowing when to move on from a guild or when you feel its time/how to know if you're good enough to keep progressing up the guild ladder.
Awesome channel bro, I love all your content!
You're a beast Max, keep em coming!
Just a quick compliment, love your videos. They seriously make me enjoy WoW a lot more. Coming from a "Casual Player" watching these videos is GOLDEN! Much Love from The Venture Co.
have a like and a sub my man! great videos! thank you for your time and effort in making these videos. I really like what you said about your average guild just taking committed players rather than going "meta". great stuff man. love it
The part about having to do the boss to understand the mechanics resonates with me so much. I can watch the video guides, read the journal or RL explaining every mechanic for 20 mins and it just does not stick at all, might as well just be talking to a wall. But as soon as I've done a few pulls I start to understand, when I fail something and then I look back at the footage it really starts to come together.
Came back from a long break this expansion, a lot of ring rust but it's coming back.. Just pulling the boss to see how things work is so important, and it's no different to my life as a musician, the level of playing you produce after learning a song compared to sight reading it is on another level. You've gotta get it under your fingers and seeping into muscle memory.
I appreciate the topic of multi classers. I feel like a lot of people don’t understand the concept but I love learning new classes and what they’re capable of and people always ask me why I don’t stay on one class. It’s because I love to help people and make sure I’m well educated in what class I’ll try to help people with.
Also keep up the good content. Stuff like this I believe will ultimately help to less guild break ups and less people bashing eachother and more people trying to help each other.
Great video, definitely subscribed!
Good as videos man please keep doing them
I'm really enjoying your content! Keep it up!
i really would love to see more undercover raid videos lol. love the reactions of others and yours
These new videos have been amazing. After just a week of watching, I have helped RL my guild to 3/10M. I would love to see a video on the best class you think to RL on inside a raid is though. Currently I'm playing a mage, and have been thinking about transitioning to BM Hunter so I play my character more in my peripherals, and lead better.
Great video, keep doing those!
I gotta say, you have a great look at social skills and being a trainer.
I don't know you at all, and I have probably played about 100 hours of WoW + this is the fourth video I see on your channel. BUT what I do know is, people can learn a lot from a video like this. Not just for the game of WoW, but what the defining traits of a leader looks like.
I doubt many will see this comment, but those who do; look at what these tips can do for you with the people around you. These are people skills. They are universal to whatever we put our time into.
Whether you're doing your everyday job, playing Counter Strike or hanging out with your friends, you will always have an impact with your actions.
Thank your for a great video, regardless of me not playing WoW. This is good food for thought.
Subscribed.
this guy is soo chill I love it
Great advice. Max leads by example. Love to see sone visual ques of what number you are on and what point.
okay, after seeing the metrics on vid of subs vs non subs i had to hit the button. love what you do Sir Max. Keep it up!
Great work with these videos. I would like a video regarding awareness and how to train it in between raids
Not a raid leader but enjoying the content. I appreciate that you just are showing yourself talking without meaningless gameplay in the background. That often fees distracting. Having the soft music keeps it from feeling like a cold lecture but no gameplay helps it stay focused
these are super helpful i just picked up raid leading last month becuase we had a split in our raid group twice. with the help from these videos we've gotten to 9 of 10 normal. i know its not huge to alot of ppl but before our split we were 3 of 10 normal. thanks max your a million :)
As a long time tank and new raid lead, it is brutal trying to do both. But sometimes there's no alternative, so a video on tips for tanks who have to raid lead would be dope! Keep it up and thank you for all the great info.
Same spot, same struggles. Would LOVE this video
Exact same position here as well!
same situation here as well.
I'll echo this sentiment - I've heard you mention a few times "Don't tank and raid lead" but would like to hear more about it. I've always done both because my personality naturally takes me that way.
dude i'm happy i found this video by accident. i was a raid lead from BC through pandaria and so far the only expansions i haven't raided much are BFA and WOD. you hit on so many of the points that i did right and wrong and this expansion i'm right now with a raid leader that absolutely does half of these or more wrong. my biggest pet peeve with him is he will do the boss explanation dissertation on farm content and then end by saying "we're gonna be good though, this boss is on farm" and i'm just like "dude that 101 class you just gave on this boss says otherwise".
my other pet peeve is something you didn't list and i understand why because it can be a sore subject either way for some people and that is when the raid lead/guild opts to carry people on purpose for progression. i am not a hardcore person by any means, and i have only done mythic in legion, but holy crap if the boss has a dps requirement of ~2k per person and you're wiping due to low dps and there are 4 people in your 25 man group who are doing 1.2k, they need to be addressed. this actually just came to a head in the last couple of days as we lost one of our best locks and a healer because we could be 10 pulls deep on a heroic boss (not even mythic) and have issues getting it killed before soft or hard enrages (sludgefist and denathrius for examples of hard enrages) and blood council for soft enrage example with the slow stacking dot that gets reset by the dance.
the worst part about it is the raid lead's reaction to these two's concerns followed by the reaction to them leaving. the reaction to the concerns are that this is a casual guild. the reaction to leaving is "we've had discussion with them but we can't force them to play better". so on the one hand... it's casual so don't worry about it, but on the other hand you still tried to address it? this same guild has ilevel requirements for raid.... the purpose of ilevel is to help ensure you are capable of doing the job, but if you can't actually do the job it's meaningless
thanks for doing these raidlead tip videos max. I went down from WR1000 to raid Heroic/Mythic with some friends, now im Leading them.
So the timing of your Series couldn't be better for me.
Cheers
Thanks for the vid! My guild is lax and enjoys having all specs, and we do very well! We all have fun and don’t get upset 🤷♂️ it’s a very good environment!
Great video once again Max.
Some thoughts on recruiting/the recruitment process would be very interesting.
Good video, very interesting perspective
Enjoying the videos you've been putting out a lot and I'd personally enjoy a video on what makes a good raider/ DPS, a lot of people see damage as the be all and end all but what actually makes someone top tier
If they aren't dying to mechanics then it is the highest indicator of skill. Noobs seriously underestimate the importance of damage. Its the nooby playerbase THEMSELVES that value players based off how much damage they do, as soon as u slow down maybe aren't number 1 on the charts and focus uber hard on mechanics they somehow value you less, so players need to make up there minds. Either check logs to review that they are doing mechanics accept they are "good" regardless of their damage or don't even bring it up.
@@ganstaeddie7 I'd take a full roster of dps players who never die to mechanics but only do average dps over a full roster of dps player who pump for 30 seconds and then eat concrete.
With the mechanical players you are going to down bosses, you won't with the 30 second pumpers.
@@shadowlife15 Duh, anybody with two brain cells would do that. Because if you die after 30 seconds, you're DEFINITELY the bottom of the DPS. In reality you need DPS that can consistently do mechanics but can also pump damage. This is why logs are so great - you can look at the DPS and then you can click a couple times and see who is failing mechanics. In reality most of the time it's all about taking your dps that can pump but fail mechanics and drilling the mechanics into them or vice versa.
@@danlorett2184 In my experience teaching players to do do mechanics is far more difficult than teaching players to do dps. And unless you are trying to be a top guild, dps really isn't all that important.
Besides, most people who parse well don't realize that padding doesn't help kills bosses. I've known raiders like that.
@@shadowlife15 But there aren't really that many opportunities to pad anymore with the way the new logs work. Council would've been a padder's dream, for instance, but now any damage you do to a target that heals to full is ignored. Likewise, on Huntsman, bonus damage against the Shades is ignored, and all attacks are treated as doing 100% damage. You can pad the Details meter still, but nobody cares about that. People who parse well are just... good. Or really, really lucky.
sir why do u have 2 cows behind u?
Dude I love these video been playing WoW for only since shadowlands came out... Started a raid group now own a guild. This is really helpful for improving raid leading in a new game. I have raid lead in other mmos but this one gets you really into it... Love the info
A lot of big trues in this video. This was the first time I got multiple groups of friends together to form a guild. Our style was entirely what you said and we hated what previous guilds were like.
- We brought our best kids, always. Never the class and only brought what we needed (tanks/healers)
- Never explained an entire boss fight. The expectation was to know the fight going into the raid, we would give a 20 second run down of what we planned and pulled. We made adjustments/comments between pulls.
Everything else you said was SO true generally. Copying the meta and having no clue why or recruiting classes or insanely good players is just crazy and I never understood it.
I hope you undercover raid lead us some time man , your videos are really insightful and cool! GG
Really like the content keep it up dude
Extremely motivational. Thank you.
Absolutely love the content Max. You and limit helped me fall in love with wow again
This is that shit i DO like
Keep these coming!
Half of these videos don't relate to me but I always can't wait to watch them.
they relate to you because we can be the change we want to see. pretty much everything he said in here is accurate but guess what? 99% of the playerbase does the opposite of what he says and will defend it to the grave, we must stand up to these metaslave noobs who know nothing about leading or strategy.
As a Guild Lead and Raid Lead of almost 11 years (also on illidan btw) its refreshing to hear a lot of this. Thankfully most of which i already actively think about and has become second nature. Keep up the good work Max! This dude is down to earth.
Loving the videos max!
A video on handling roster decisions, benching, etc would be super helpful!
I like the point you make about auditive awareness. I use the same for pvp. Alot of pvpers likes to listen to music when they play e.g, i can't have any external sound on because 30-40% of what I pick up from awareness comes from listening and recognising abilities by their sound and that frees up my other senses.
And then they invited JPC.
Loving this content Max.
Love your content, keep uP!
great content! awesome to have some in depth RL material to compare with what I'm doing. helps me grow