Silicone 3D Printer Heated Beds: Everything You Need to Know

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  • Опубликовано: 4 ноя 2024

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  • @btomas225
    @btomas225 7 месяцев назад +3

    Firstly, for DC voltage, a threshold of around 30 volts is often considered relatively safe for brief contact. This is based on the concept that at low voltages, the body's natural resistance limits the amount of current flowing through it to levels that are unlikely to cause harm. However, depending on the current source it can be dangerous if the output is shorted in that it can cause severe burns. e.g. an automobile battery output is 12 volts with a current capacity > 200A and it can literally melt metal and if you're in its path then you'll be severely burned.
    Likewise, AC voltage can be more dangerous than DC voltage of the same magnitude due to its ability to induce muscle contractions, potentially causing the victim to be unable to release from the electrical source. For AC voltage, the threshold for safe touch is generally considered to be lower than for DC voltage. Around 50-60 volts (25v positive and then 25v negative) AC is often cited as a threshold for safety, again for brief contact.
    These are well established safety margins. I learned these margins long ago early in my career as an electrical engineer in the aerospace business.
    Secondly, the cork method will likely work fine but be aware that you're adding height to the bed and some printers may not allow you to compensate for that added height easily. You may be able to compensate in the firmware but many don't have the skills or wherewithal to know how to do that. So be cautious when doing this kind of modification and have a plan to compensate for any deviations from the original machine physical characteristics.

  • @fritzhusselmann2023
    @fritzhusselmann2023 Год назад +3

    Excellent video, and an extremely good point about SSRs most commonly failing closed!

    • @LilMikeysBigPlans
      @LilMikeysBigPlans  Год назад +1

      Thanks Fritz. I found out about the SSR failure issue the hard way. Luckily I was close by and was able to shut it down before anything bad happened but I'll never run one without a temp cutoff fuze again. Mains voltage is no joke.

  • @Defyant123
    @Defyant123 2 года назад +2

    I just picked up an old folger ft5 myself and one of the first things i thought to do was sort the 12v bed heating out. Perfect vid tyvm 👍

    • @LilMikeysBigPlans
      @LilMikeysBigPlans  2 года назад

      I love my FT5. I guess it's no longer an FT5 since it's been gutted top to bottom but it has been a fantastic printer for years and I still love the ladder design for the side. It feels much more sturdy than just sticking a 2040 on one or two edges. Good luck with the printer!

  • @ronberman8539
    @ronberman8539 Год назад

    very concise and to the point--left me with minimal questions

  • @lelandclayton5462
    @lelandclayton5462 10 месяцев назад +1

    Take it from a EE and use a power switch that switches the live and neutral. The switch is called a DPST switch. For the AC ground I would attach it to the aluminum plate that the silicone mat is sitting on since most beds have leveling springs or silicone standoffs.

    • @xiar5546
      @xiar5546 10 месяцев назад

      Those beds attached with springs have a screw that goes through the middle of the spring or silicone spacer to the bed and through the mounting hole on the frame to a bed leveling nut. While not always perfect it typically allows connection through to either the y axis rail (for bed slingers) or z axis rails (corexy). Obviously it doesn’t have that connection if your bed is attached with printed parts but if it’s all metal (like mine) it can allow the connection through. I did have to add a wire to the bed still because just that previous connection was still about 60ohms from ac ground on psu to the bed.

  • @neoconker
    @neoconker Год назад

    Thanks. Mainly focus on security. I'm looking for the safest AC hot bed possible and this is probably the only video that mentions using the hot line and ground details on the SSR.

  • @JBlr.
    @JBlr. 2 года назад +2

    great video man.. i extended my ender 3 v2 recently to 300x300x400 and this is exactly what I was looking for to upgrade the bed heater

    • @LilMikeysBigPlans
      @LilMikeysBigPlans  2 года назад

      Glad I could help! Which option did you end up going with?

  • @clanbob
    @clanbob 3 года назад +2

    Recently found your videos through my bad experience with my Tronxy. Still working on upgrading but I love the informative nature of your videos and delivery. Keep it up!

    • @LilMikeysBigPlans
      @LilMikeysBigPlans  3 года назад +2

      Glad to help! Seems there are lot of quality control issues with the TronXY which I why I generally point people at the Ender line if they're on a budget. If you're looking at it as a bag of parts, though, there are some good deals to be had.

    • @clanbob
      @clanbob 3 года назад

      @@LilMikeysBigPlans So I’ve found. Thanks for offering solutions and not just leaving a review calling it bad and walking away.

    • @LilMikeysBigPlans
      @LilMikeysBigPlans  3 года назад +1

      @@clanbob Sure thing! It may not be a great printer out of the box but it's a fantastic cheap bag of parts if you don't mind tweaking and fixing things - and you can find it on sale :)

  • @Gixie-R
    @Gixie-R 11 месяцев назад

    Useful info, Im building a X350 x Y700 x Z450 bedslinger and was going to double up but buying a cut to size stand alone sounds good.

  • @yorks_atheist3069
    @yorks_atheist3069 2 года назад +2

    Ive watched loads of these guides and done the upgrade a few times the one thing no one ever mentions is that the mat heating to temp quickly isn't the same as the heat propagating to the top of the bed you need to allow time for this

    • @LilMikeysBigPlans
      @LilMikeysBigPlans  2 года назад

      You are correct that the surface trails the measured temp especially on thicker glass. I've not personally had too many issues - just allow for some time for temperature normalization and my first layer is a bit hotter than the rest - but I can see that being a concern with more picky filaments.

  • @antlu65
    @antlu65 Год назад +1

    Excellent tutorial, thank you!
    I believe 'uxcell' is just a generic Chinese retail brand. Meaning other generic Chinese retail brands likely sell the same SSR's as uxcell.

  • @WhereNerdyisCool
    @WhereNerdyisCool Год назад +1

    Hey a fellow FT-5 owner! Great video. What about using a large heat sink for the SSR instead of the print frame?

  • @MANCHILDMD2020
    @MANCHILDMD2020 2 года назад +1

    Excellent Video!! Great explanation of the different options. Thank you.

  • @apocalypticangell
    @apocalypticangell Год назад +1

    Helpful video! two questions: are you using a zero-crossing SSR? Are you using PID control on your SSR controlled bed? Is so what switching frequency? From what I understand a Zero crossings SSR can’t switch nearly as fast as a mosfet I’m just wondering if that causes issues with PID control.

    • @LilMikeysBigPlans
      @LilMikeysBigPlans  Год назад

      I am using a zero-crossing SSR. My understanding is that most SSR - even quite cheap ones - have zero crossing detection if for nothing else but to prevent arcing. I'm using PID control with no issues. My PID tune came up with these values:
      pid_Kp: 54.027
      pid_Ki: 0.770
      pid_Kd: 948.182

  • @petersolomon3505
    @petersolomon3505 11 месяцев назад

    wonderful video, so in the end which is best, the Mofset or SSR?
    thanks

  • @sanketss84
    @sanketss84 6 месяцев назад

    How are you sending your bed temps to home assistant and what relay are you using to switch off power to your printer. Are you querying moonrakers api in home assistant?

  • @radikult-custom
    @radikult-custom Год назад +1

    Hi, I got a 110v 220v 650w heating mat that has a total of 5 wires coming out, 2 small wires for the thermistor and then 3 red wires with no markings or instructions on how to wire this to 110v and or how to add a thermal fuse in-line, any help would be appreciated

    • @LilMikeysBigPlans
      @LilMikeysBigPlans  Год назад

      Hey Radikult, the only time I’ve seen three power points on a bed heater was on a 12/24v model that had one pad for 12v, one pad for 24v, and one for ground. Do you have a link to the mat you purchased?

    • @radikult-custom
      @radikult-custom Год назад

      @@LilMikeysBigPlans the mat came with a kit (Voron 2.4 “siboor” was the seller)
      I checked all 3 red wires and in between them I get 37omn and 75omn depending on the mix of cables.
      If I start combining cable 2 / 1 I get a reading of 20omn
      I have contacted the seller but because is a Chinese seller I won’t hear from them until tomorrow or next day if lucky

  • @RuBbRaZoR
    @RuBbRaZoR 8 месяцев назад

    So I can hook up the silicone heater to my mainboard? I don’t mind how long it takes I just want something simple for now.

  • @tinkerman-q
    @tinkerman-q Год назад

    Thanks for your video. I was wondering if the silicone heater of 200x200 I wanted to buy would be a problem for my 225x225 aluminium bed.
    I do have some feedback regarding your safety disclaimer. It came across with me as if only Voltage matters when it comes to safety risks. In fact, although it's relevant to account for all factors, the real danger lies in the amperage. Voltage will just determine how likely your body's resistance will be enough to prevent becoming a neutral or ground.
    High voltage will easily arc thrugh the air and reach your body, but if the current is low, you will just feel a pinch. That's how some domestic 5000 V electrified fences work. They carry a very small current and will only scare you if get near it.
    Now I'd rather take 240 V shock from my a circuit in my house than (which I have), than 12V shock with 600A from my car's battery. Not sure I'd survive that easily as the times I got stung manipulating the 240 live without shutting it down.

    • @somedude2492
      @somedude2492 6 месяцев назад

      Unless you had cuts in your hands, 12V from a car battery cannot possibly shock you. It's not a "likelyhood" thing, you objectively will or will not get shocked at a certain voltage with dry, moist wet or cut skin. With cuts in your hands, 12V and 240V are equally as likely to kill you. The threshold for sending your heart into fibrilation is under half an amp. Once you get past the skin layer, your flesh is quite a salty and wet medium, making it a great conductor. Result? Both 12v from a car battery and 240v from the wall will be able to supply enough current to your heart to mess it up.

    • @tinkerman-q
      @tinkerman-q 6 месяцев назад

      @@somedude2492 I agree, my main point was that it made sound like low voltage is not dangerous, but low voltage and high amp is very dangerous. It all boils down to a factor of the two which will determine the amount of energy passing through you (J/C and C/s). My hands more often than not have cuts in them. Higher voltage may break the skin barrier easier, but then that is assuming, like you mentioned, you don't have cuts on the skin. Which is quite a gamble for people that tinker a lot.

  • @winandd8649
    @winandd8649 Год назад

    Beware that lot of SSR's do not go well if PWM controlled, they will just fail / melt..
    When using a SSR, keep the heating control to "BANGBANG" (Marlin) or "Watermark" (Klipper) which just turns the SSR on or off without using a destructive PWM signal

  • @peterwalker5413
    @peterwalker5413 8 месяцев назад

    Wait. What? 14:25 you said you have a solder joint on a mains heated bed? Umm. Am I misunderstanding what is being said. I have always been told that you should never, never have a solder joint on a heatbed connection anywhere. Can you please explain this for me... Thanks.

  • @bopedersen89
    @bopedersen89 2 года назад

    I gotta ask, how much additional time was added to your o to 120°C temp drag race, putting an insulator between the Keenovo and 6160 plate?
    I too was a bit concerned, but my solution was to add one more layer of the High Temp 3M double sided affixing tape.
    Negligible increase, as I'm still sub 50 seconds to 120°C.
    I did use cork though, but as the final layer in my hotbed sandwich 😋😅😁
    ... Reason being, I've got a 500watt PTC in the chamber, and one of the high velocity 120mm always seemed to wabble the bed temp 5°or more when it kicked ok.
    Not anymore with a cord finishing piece tho!
    As always, gr8 vid my friend!
    ...And if you have a spare minute, lenigma1 has sent more than 1 email since Christmas 😉😉

    • @LilMikeysBigPlans
      @LilMikeysBigPlans  2 года назад

      Hey Bo. I've only ever run my silicone beds with a cork insulator so I can't really compare however the numbers should be faster with the insulator as it will keep the aluminum from leeching away the heat so quickly. Either way, I doubt it has anywhere near the impact of the 1/4" glass. That is some thick heavy stuff that adds a ton of mass.
      My apologies on the email. Picked one from 2/14 out of Spam. Will reply tonight :) Take care!

  • @igorchak48
    @igorchak48 2 года назад +1

    I have a question, lets's say I want to put 3 Ender 3 V2 Beds all together, at 220W per bed I will need at least 660W. If I buy a 1000W power supply, will the mainboard be able to accept the wattage and high amps?

    • @LilMikeysBigPlans
      @LilMikeysBigPlans  2 года назад

      Depends on what you mean by the mainboard accepting the amps. You can power the board off of the 1000w PSI with no issues. It will only draw the amps required. You cannot push that same 1000w out of the board's bed heater terminals as the switching circuitry is not rated for that much draw (at least no board I've seen is). You'll need to use a MosFET for board power.

    • @mak0t0san
      @mak0t0san Год назад

      If you're doing that, might want to consider getting 3 additional MOSFETs, one for each bed. Connect the bed heater output from the mainboard to the 3 MOSFETs and this will reduce the load that a single MOSFET would have.

  • @333donutboy
    @333donutboy 2 года назад +1

    Great info. What thickness did you use for the cork tile?

    • @LilMikeysBigPlans
      @LilMikeysBigPlans  2 года назад

      Hey Paul, glad you found it useful! I'm using regular 'ole bulletin board cork tile from Walmart. It's 3/16" thick but you should be able to use pretty much any thickness as long as it's thick enough to take pressure off the pad wiring.

    • @333donutboy
      @333donutboy 2 года назад

      @@LilMikeysBigPlans Thanks for the response. This is great timing as I was getting ready to do the heat bed upgrade.

  • @xiar5546
    @xiar5546 10 месяцев назад

    Your ac silicone bed is very different from mine apparently. You’re showing just over 4 minutes to reach 95c while I did with mine (750 watts while yours is 700 watts) in just under 2 minutes.

  • @fvheel
    @fvheel Год назад

    Hi. I wonder why i can not find any 48v silicon heated bed's?
    Everywhere i look i only can find 12v, 24v, 110v or 220v bed's.
    Does anyone know why i should not use a 48v silicon heated bed?
    I have a Mean Well 48v 13A powersupply.

  • @neodymium2007
    @neodymium2007 2 года назад

    bro I need help, the more I look at yt the less I understand ... I'm afraid I'm going to screw something bad with the heater connection.
    I took myself (skr 1.2 pro motherboard) with a few upgrades that I plan to apply ... but the more I look, the more insecure I am about the security of everything.
    I need a heat bed, a nozzle heater, a chamber heater (80C max) and maybe a filament heater for drying.
    I plan to connect 5 stepper motors (no 17, 3x32mm, 1x40, 1x48mm)
    Probably 8-10 fans
    2x chamber fans
    3x housing
    1x power supply
    2x cooling of the print
    1x hot end
    1x filament dryer
    + screen, bl touch and other little things if I left something out
    I currently have a 12V 360w (30A) power supply, I think I will need another 24v power supply to connect it all.
    Besides ... how many fuses do I need .... 60? How much mosfet do I need?

    • @LilMikeysBigPlans
      @LilMikeysBigPlans  2 года назад

      Wow, Danijel, that's quite a lot to figure out. You're definitely not going to want that all on one power supply - especially a small 12v/360w one. To go through it one-by-one:
      8-10 fans, 5 steppers, and your hot end can probably be driven by a single PSU
      If you are using a 110/220v bed that won't draw anything but signal from your PSU but if it's 12/24v then you'll want something in addition to the 360watt one you have now.
      There seem to be a bunch of options for chamber heat and almost all of them are 110/220v based so no additional PSU there.
      You'll want fuses on mains powered 'stuff' - so you'll need fuses for each of your PSUs and make sure whatever your chamber solution is has some sort of fuse. As for the mosfet - they generally have a large operating voltage range and are either 10 or 15 amp which should be plenty for a DC heated bed so as long as you get something from a name brand you should be fine.
      It sounds like you're building something quite complex so I would strongly advise you get a friend, family member, or other associate to assist as this kind of electricity is no joke.

  • @skylinevspec000
    @skylinevspec000 2 года назад +1

    holy crap what a good video

  • @Timsimon11
    @Timsimon11 2 года назад

    Any recommendations for an SSR from a reputable source? I am very sketched out seeing 10 dollar relays on Amazon/eBay.

    • @LilMikeysBigPlans
      @LilMikeysBigPlans  2 года назад

      I went with uxcell because I've had good luck with their other components - and it's been solid so far - but that's anecdotal. If you're really worried about it, getting a name brand like Omron from a reputable site like Mouser or Grainger would be the safest bet but you will spend quite a bit.

    • @Timsimon11
      @Timsimon11 2 года назад

      @@LilMikeysBigPlans Thanks!

  • @mnp3713
    @mnp3713 2 года назад +3

    12v Will Never give you a shock! even with water on you hands. Perhaps some people can feel 24v with wet hands i cant!

    • @LilMikeysBigPlans
      @LilMikeysBigPlans  2 года назад +1

      Wait, you don't lick your printer? :) You are right. 12v generally won't be enough to outright shock you. It can arc though which can cause a jump.

  • @johnkim3858
    @johnkim3858 2 года назад

    Well explained.

  • @demonkinglamb636
    @demonkinglamb636 Год назад

    Voltage doesn't kill. AMPs do.

  • @akshaybhavke2622
    @akshaybhavke2622 2 года назад

    which type of cork to be used natural or rubber cork?

    • @LilMikeysBigPlans
      @LilMikeysBigPlans  2 года назад

      Hello Akshay. Mine are just regular cheap-o 1/4" thick natural cork tiles. Cork has a very high flash point and is generally considered flame resistant so it's great for an application like this.

  • @TheArachnoBot
    @TheArachnoBot 2 года назад

    Great video

  • @D9ID9I
    @D9ID9I Год назад

    "ac ssr" is a simple thyristor circuit. There is nothing to pay $50-60 for.

  • @mikeherald6014
    @mikeherald6014 2 года назад +1

    im hoping that shirt is a letterkenny reference haha

    • @LilMikeysBigPlans
      @LilMikeysBigPlans  2 года назад

      You're pretty good at recognizing a reference there, Mike, and that's what I appreciates about 'ya.

    • @mikeherald6014
      @mikeherald6014 2 года назад

      @@LilMikeysBigPlans this video is unbelievable

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      @LilMikeysBigPlans  2 года назад

      @@mikeherald6014 Get this man a Puppers!

    • @mikeherald6014
      @mikeherald6014 2 года назад

      @@LilMikeysBigPlans settle down

  • @lossless4129
    @lossless4129 2 года назад

    Thank you!

  • @tsstn
    @tsstn Год назад +1

    Nice shirt.
    Pretty sure it would take at least 2 people.
    Maybe 3.

  • @airheadbit1984
    @airheadbit1984 Год назад

    So, the cork sit on the top of the aluminum bed, the heater pad sits on top of the cork and the glass sits on the upside-down heater pad with the 3M sticky side still covered??

  • @the.real.ipatch
    @the.real.ipatch 3 года назад

    great informative video. thanks so much making and sharing your knowledge. for future you try and normalize your audio little better. it's something i haven't done well myself for my videos. but a quick right click on your video, launch the `stats for nerds` and you'll see the audio for you video is normalized around ~ `-9db` get that sucker closer `0db` so i dont have turn my volume on youtube to 100%.

    • @LilMikeysBigPlans
      @LilMikeysBigPlans  3 года назад

      Yeah, I usually apply Vocal Channel with a compressor to bring up the lows but my recording levels were off and it was amplifying noise so I just left it a bit soft. Will spend some more time on the next one. Thanks for watching!

  •  2 года назад

    Hello im working on a printer with a dual bed combination do you have a contact mail? i have few questions to ask

    • @LilMikeysBigPlans
      @LilMikeysBigPlans  2 года назад

      Hello ertence, my email is available in the About page.

  • @marlonlyn2719
    @marlonlyn2719 Год назад

    This is awesome. Sub'd

  • @Dragon-333
    @Dragon-333 2 года назад +1

    thanks impotent information

  • @nightmareinaction629
    @nightmareinaction629 2 года назад

    12 to 24 can't shock you heck even 84vdc can't

    • @LilMikeysBigPlans
      @LilMikeysBigPlans  2 года назад

      You're right, 12-24v will not normally give a shock but with a little sweat, open wound, or other conductivity enhancer it can definitely cause a noticeable tingle - as evidenced by a 9v battery on your tounge or a TENS machine (which start as low as 16V output).
      No, none of this will electrocute you but the moral of the story is that you should be careful with electricity at all voltages and currents.

  • @mikeoverholtz1939
    @mikeoverholtz1939 2 года назад +1

    we heard it was a sick ostrich

  • @Gr8Success
    @Gr8Success 2 года назад

    so much babbling and overthinking ... 220v heated bed with a cheep chinese SSR is just fine .. no fuse bullshit or grounding wires to frames and other crap like that ... juust keep an eye on the printer when you print .

  • @vicuspoop2
    @vicuspoop2 Год назад

    How many people does it take to #*^# an ostrich?? 🤣😂