I know it's not easy to watch but it's important to share these experiences and the lessons learned. Always thankful you're here to share in all the learning experiences!
It's on our radar and we're monitoring other does, this would be a first in our area. We had a really dry summer and we did not have many mosquitoes and none of the normal deformities that go with cache presented but if we have another we'll send off for testing.
Thank you for sharing the hard times. Definitely a learning curve when it comes to all pregnancy and births. So glad she had one healthy kid. Keep us posted on how mama is doing.
Ashley......wow.... thank you. What an amazing video. I'm impressed with your skill and knowledge as well as your love for your animals. I've assisted birthing dogs and even chicks. I'd definitely like to visit the farm someday. Thanks ❤
I am so sorry for your loss and Rapunzel's loss. Thank You for explaining all this. Hope the Mama goat does well and recovers. I am new here. Subscribed today. So true about Mother Nature. Have a blessed day.
That was my first thought too but the normal deformities (hydrocephalus and the elongated legs and rubbery feel) did not present but if we have a "mummy" storm or have another one present like this we'll test for it to rule it out or adjust management
It's definitely a possibility, especially with her age though otherwise she's a very healthy doe. I don't really consider this kidding a trouble... just an anomaly (unless we have a mummy storm and test for Cache). The only real issue I would seal the deal on retirement is another prolapse but she's kidded twice since w/o any prolapsing. We'll definitely be reviewing her health record to make an informed decision
@@karenolson5556 pure and simple… the cost 💰💰💰. I can count on one hand how many farms I know of that have a heated birthing barn (and I know a fair amount of farmers/homesteaders). Though if you have several grand lying around to contribute to the “Mulberry Needs A Heated Barn” fund I wouldn’t refuse it 😁.
I absolutely agree with what you think it might be, it seems to me like a kid that passed before she was ready to kid and started to slightly rot, I actually see this happen often with sheep that have multiples on bigger farms that are lambing out a few hundred lambs a year. I hope with some antibiotics and rest she makes a full recovery and I’m happy for the healthy kid 💖
Yes definitely not unheard of. I was shocked it took her that long to pass this little gal but she looked like she got tangled in the afterbirth and made it harder for her to pass through. She was just out yesterday flirting with the bucks over in the next pasture (not fenced directly against buck pen) so she's feeling like her normal hussy self!
I'm sorry for your loss. It's always so difficult. What were your temps? What do you consider difficult and cold for kids? I'm pleased to see you use sweaters. Some people seem to have a problem with it, but we've found they are very helpful.
Our temps that night were low teens and feels like temperature in single digits. It really depends on the dams ability and the liveliness of the kid. If they aren't dried off ASAP there's a good chance their temps will drop too low to nurse. I really like using sweaters, even though some dams will stop at nothing to remove them, to maintain a good core temp when it's cold. We like to keep them on for the first 24 hours to make sure they're maintaining body heat and feeding well and then we remove them. It works for me to insure they stay warm and thrive that first 24 hrs. We used them on our Boer Kids when we raised boers and did all of our kidding in the winter. Currently we're sitting in the low teens with 14 inches of snow on the ground but other winters it's mild and not that cold... just a bad one this year and we don't leave it to chance if we can avoid it.
@MulberryBranchFarm I'm fairly new to raising goats, but have plenty of experience with other small livestock. We are in the Arizona desert, so we get pretty chilly. It can get pretty windy but we don't have to deal with snow very often. This is the first time I've had a doe kid this time of year and it happened right when we dipped to 30 with a ton of wind ...so thank you for your opinions ...because it feels super chilly!! 🙄
Me too though it didn't really show the normal deformities you see in Cache and our summer was a dry one so not many, if any mosquitoes this year. We're watching for others and will send off for necropsy if it reoccurs
No, I do think she would have passed it on her own but it would have taken a lot of energy becauseI think that kid was all wrapped up on that placenta and made for a very weird and tough presentation.
It's a one off situation in my opinion. Now, if we have others with mummified kids we will send off for testing to rule out Cache. No other symptoms in the baby nod to Cache but if we have others we'll send off for testing
I love watching your videos! They are always so educational and are helping me learn for when my does give birth. So so grateful for your channel and I’m sorry you didn’t get that doe girl
Hi! I´m sorry for this unfortunate event. Scary and sad indeed. My experience from sheep farming - which is of course both different and similar, makes me consider Schmallenbergs disease from the way the back legs seem misshapen. It is an infection carried by mosquitos that compromise pregnancies in ruminants. Although they are born with skull bones fully fused, the kid might have died before that stage of development. They to have different plates of bone that has to grow together, and they are well protected from the level of violence another goat can perform, so that being a skull injury seems unlikely. If you find Schmallenberg an interesting hypothesus you can read up on it. Thank you for sharing your work.
It definitely crossed my mind but she LOOOOVES being a mommy and she's so good at it. If for some reason she doesn't look like she's holding up well after this kidding we may be forced to make that an option. A GREAT suggestion though!
No the goat version of Made is CAE and we test yearly for it via blood test and we've never had a positive doe (and pray to god we never do). I'm more concerned with Cache Valley if it reoccurs in other does.
I'm sorry about your little ones. Mother nature works in mysterious ways. There was probably something wrong with the last one you showed. The first one is obviously not formed right. I hope you have better luck with the other ones.
She sure does and usually she knows best. I'll only start really worrying if we have more mummies in the next few kidding and then we'll test but for now... it just feels like rotten luck
She is an older girl... she may be retiring after this one but boy I would love to try to get a doe out of her before retiring her. She's such a good goat!
Awww my daughters dog gave birth to 2 pups one was mummified and stopping the bitch pup combing out. Thank god the bitch puppy was healthy and alive ❤❤❤❤
That was 2 years ago and she's passed kids successfully with no indication of prolapse the last 2 kiddings. Her initial prolapse was minor and required little intervention and was due to a malpositioned kid that I helped reposition and deliver successfully. She's healthy otherwise but we are considering retiring her. Many woman do experience small prolapses during labor and still choose to go on to have more children so your last comment is untrue.
Thank you for showing and explaining all of that. ❤ I'm so sorry for that loss.
I know it's not easy to watch but it's important to share these experiences and the lessons learned. Always thankful you're here to share in all the learning experiences!
@MulberryBranchFarm Then I must be a strange one... I find it very interesting and intriguing. Always learning!
Check for cache valley. That is common with it, the mummified kid
It's on our radar and we're monitoring other does, this would be a first in our area. We had a really dry summer and we did not have many mosquitoes and none of the normal deformities that go with cache presented but if we have another we'll send off for testing.
Thank you for sharing the hard times. Definitely a learning curve when it comes to all pregnancy and births. So glad she had one healthy kid. Keep us posted on how mama is doing.
I know, it's always a roller coaster ride when a new life comes into the world. We'll keep you posted :)
Ashley......wow.... thank you. What an amazing video. I'm impressed with your skill and knowledge as well as your love for your animals. I've assisted birthing dogs and even chicks. I'd definitely like to visit the farm someday. Thanks ❤
I really appreciate the kind words. It's awesome you've helped animals give birth before!
I am so sorry for your loss and Rapunzel's loss. Thank You for explaining all this. Hope the Mama goat does well and recovers. I am new here. Subscribed today. So true about Mother Nature. Have a blessed day.
Thank you for the kind words and welcome to the channel!
I wonder if it could be cache valley which causes mummified babies.
That was my first thought too but the normal deformities (hydrocephalus and the elongated legs and rubbery feel) did not present but if we have a "mummy" storm or have another one present like this we'll test for it to rule it out or adjust management
Sorry for your loss but so glad you was on top of it. You take such great care of your animals. A true blessing you are.
Awww thanks Margie! At least we got a healthy little buckling :). God Bless You
Thank you for the education. I never saw that before. I'm also a goat farmer
It can be tough but we learn something new each year!
Watching this as we are getting ready for another snowfall. Hope you are doing ok in this weather.
Oh we are hanging in there but I am OVER this winter!
What a beautiful baby
He is just the sweetest little fella too!
I think you should stop breeding her if she have repeated kidding troubles for 2 years now
It's definitely a possibility, especially with her age though otherwise she's a very healthy doe. I don't really consider this kidding a trouble... just an anomaly (unless we have a mummy storm and test for Cache). The only real issue I would seal the deal on retirement is another prolapse but she's kidded twice since w/o any prolapsing. We'll definitely be reviewing her health record to make an informed decision
In the Winter ...why wouldnt you put Heat in your birthing Barn???
@@karenolson5556 pure and simple… the cost 💰💰💰. I can count on one hand how many farms I know of that have a heated birthing barn (and I know a fair amount of farmers/homesteaders). Though if you have several grand lying around to contribute to the “Mulberry Needs A Heated Barn” fund I wouldn’t refuse it 😁.
Cache valley?
It’s on the radar. If we have another mummy we will send off for testing
I absolutely agree with what you think it might be, it seems to me like a kid that passed before she was ready to kid and started to slightly rot, I actually see this happen often with sheep that have multiples on bigger farms that are lambing out a few hundred lambs a year.
I hope with some antibiotics and rest she makes a full recovery and I’m happy for the healthy kid 💖
Yes definitely not unheard of. I was shocked it took her that long to pass this little gal but she looked like she got tangled in the afterbirth and made it harder for her to pass through. She was just out yesterday flirting with the bucks over in the next pasture (not fenced directly against buck pen) so she's feeling like her normal hussy self!
@ I’m glad to hear that 😂
Finally a farmer who Isent all up in mother natures god smarts of animals giving birh
I'm sorry for your loss. It's always so difficult. What were your temps? What do you consider difficult and cold for kids?
I'm pleased to see you use sweaters. Some people seem to have a problem with it, but we've found they are very helpful.
Our temps that night were low teens and feels like temperature in single digits. It really depends on the dams ability and the liveliness of the kid. If they aren't dried off ASAP there's a good chance their temps will drop too low to nurse. I really like using sweaters, even though some dams will stop at nothing to remove them, to maintain a good core temp when it's cold. We like to keep them on for the first 24 hours to make sure they're maintaining body heat and feeding well and then we remove them. It works for me to insure they stay warm and thrive that first 24 hrs. We used them on our Boer Kids when we raised boers and did all of our kidding in the winter. Currently we're sitting in the low teens with 14 inches of snow on the ground but other winters it's mild and not that cold... just a bad one this year and we don't leave it to chance if we can avoid it.
@MulberryBranchFarm I'm fairly new to raising goats, but have plenty of experience with other small livestock. We are in the Arizona desert, so we get pretty chilly. It can get pretty windy but we don't have to deal with snow very often. This is the first time I've had a doe kid this time of year and it happened right when we dipped to 30 with a ton of wind ...so thank you for your opinions ...because it feels super chilly!! 🙄
I really hope it's not cache. Great job doing all u can in the moment. ❤
Me too though it didn't really show the normal deformities you see in Cache and our summer was a dry one so not many, if any mosquitoes this year. We're watching for others and will send off for necropsy if it reoccurs
Baby goats are adorable!!!
oh my gosh there's nothing better!
I am so sorry for loss!
If you hadn’t been there do you think she could have gotten sepsis ?
No, I do think she would have passed it on her own but it would have taken a lot of energy becauseI think that kid was all wrapped up on that placenta and made for a very weird and tough presentation.
Omg he is adorable!
He is just the sweetest thing to boot!
Well you send it to the vets for them to check for your peace of mind
It's a one off situation in my opinion. Now, if we have others with mummified kids we will send off for testing to rule out Cache. No other symptoms in the baby nod to Cache but if we have others we'll send off for testing
I love watching your videos! They are always so educational and are helping me learn for when my does give birth. So so grateful for your channel and I’m sorry you didn’t get that doe girl
That was a tough one but at least it was a good learning experience! I am so glad you are getting so much value from the channel.
Hi! I´m sorry for this unfortunate event. Scary and sad indeed. My experience from sheep farming - which is of course both different and similar, makes me consider Schmallenbergs disease from the way the back legs seem misshapen. It is an infection carried by mosquitos that compromise pregnancies in ruminants. Although they are born with skull bones fully fused, the kid might have died before that stage of development. They to have different plates of bone that has to grow together, and they are well protected from the level of violence another goat can perform, so that being a skull injury seems unlikely. If you find Schmallenberg an interesting hypothesus you can read up on it. Thank you for sharing your work.
I’m sorry - cache valley is the variety of the virus present in North America
Have you thought about embryo transfer. Having her eggs collect fertilized and implanted in another doe
It definitely crossed my mind but she LOOOOVES being a mommy and she's so good at it. If for some reason she doesn't look like she's holding up well after this kidding we may be forced to make that an option. A GREAT suggestion though!
Can goats get Maedi-visna from mosquitoes and will it cause a defective fetus?
No the goat version of Made is CAE and we test yearly for it via blood test and we've never had a positive doe (and pray to god we never do). I'm more concerned with Cache Valley if it reoccurs in other does.
I'm sorry about your little ones. Mother nature works in mysterious ways. There was probably something wrong with the last one you showed. The first one is obviously not formed right. I hope you have better luck with the other ones.
She sure does and usually she knows best. I'll only start really worrying if we have more mummies in the next few kidding and then we'll test but for now... it just feels like rotten luck
I can’t believe she will be 10 next year 🎉
She looks so good for her age!
I have seen this in sheep before. It does happen in older sheep. I'm so sorry this happened to you.
She is an older girl... she may be retiring after this one but boy I would love to try to get a doe out of her before retiring her. She's such a good goat!
I'm sorry Ashley 😢
I really kicked myself for checking... I should have let it be but you know what they say about curiosity killing the cat and all!
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Sandy Brock has mummified lambs once in a while. It's a diet issue I believe.
Diet and virus related for Sandi. We're watching for cache valley
Awww my daughters dog gave birth to 2 pups one was mummified and stopping the bitch pup combing out. Thank god the bitch puppy was healthy and alive ❤❤❤❤
Awww well at least she was ok! Gotta find those silver linings!
Sandi Brock has mummified lambs every once in a while
She's my favorite Channel! I've learned a lot from her
A prolapse is reason enough not to breed her again. If you had a prolapse, would you get pregnant again? I think not.
That was 2 years ago and she's passed kids successfully with no indication of prolapse the last 2 kiddings. Her initial prolapse was minor and required little intervention and was due to a malpositioned kid that I helped reposition and deliver successfully. She's healthy otherwise but we are considering retiring her. Many woman do experience small prolapses during labor and still choose to go on to have more children so your last comment is untrue.
Cache Valley can cause that.
She's getting to old to breed.
You should rescue goats instead of breeding them
I appreciate you opinion but the heightened biosecurity risk that poses to my existing herd is not something I'll consider at this time.
cache valley ?
Definitely on my radar... if we have more mummified kids we'll be sending them off for testing