Bogner Shiva - Jerry Cantrell's OG Tone!
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- I dial in the Bogner Shiva 20th Anniversary Edition for the first time. Jerry Cantrell played this amp while in Alice In Chains. Let's hear Jerry's OG Tone.
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What a tone !!!! Cantrell has great taste.
This is one of my all time favorite amps. It’s perfect for fusion, progressive rock, and even covers.
Bogner amps are amazing when I first heard 1 in a room it was the Extacy 101 and I was sold thank you Jarred
I demoed a bogner Shiva for the first time maybe 20 years ago, still my favorite overdrive blues/rock amp.
Bogner amps are my fav
Sounds fantastic
Holy crap..this was my amp. Literally. I traded it into Motor City Guitar about a month back because it didn't really fit with my style. Ridiculous amp and sounded great. Hope it found a good home!
I had to laugh before you hit the mode switch and thought it had no more gain. I love gain like you but with the mode switched to modern and boost engaged, I rarely take the gain past 2-3:00.
Thanks dude for all the demos and reviews you do for us.
I had to laugh before you hit the mode switch and thought it had no more gain. I love gain like you but with the mode switched to modern and boost engaged, I rarely take the gain past 2-3:00.
Thanks dude for all the demos and reviews you do for us.
The Shiva is a great lead amp. Tremonti loves the amp for leads.
Funny you mentioned Motor City Guitar. I'm about to try and score myself a second cab for my bass rig, and they've got a few used ones that can handle 400+ watts. It's my Xmas present to myself.
its a great amp... its on my bucket list.
There's great character to the tone.
That’s a glorious tone. Certainly heavy enough for anything I’m going to play.
The relative lack of gain on the shiva really only comes out if you’re going for liquid lead tones
Also, motor city guitar is a great store and I highly recommend anyone check them out if you’re visiting Detroit. Incredible drum selection too
@Evan Maunders seems to respond to a boost very well. I can't even imagine how awesome it would be to A-B this with a Soldano SLO.
Damn dooder!!!
Just discovered your channel this evening and going through your videos I can see something in the distance…… I see me investing a Whole Lot of my time on your channel. Good stuffs mang👍
Thank you very much. I'm so glad you're enjoying the channel. Much more to come!
Great sounding amp! Nice demo..
Sounds friggin good
geat video!! nice to see the shiva on your channel. i found it good enough for modern metal, although im not a huge fan of the clank clank type chug, i prefer a bit more rounded and i loved that from the shiva. i had a shiva 20th about 2 years ago, sold it to fund a rev blue uberschall. i miss the shiva a lot, so this week i found one again, being delivered this week !! so excited . the chains and even tremonti has uded one within alterbridge so good enough for me lol.
best of luck
Would you say the Shiva has that heavy Facelift tone?
I had an uperschall it was a nice amp but my 5153 sounds much more punishing. Great video
It can actually do modern metal surprisingly well with active pickups, IMO. But yeah, a bit vintage/rock sounding with passives.
The band Injected used the Bogner Shiva and Ecstasy. One of the heaviest guitar tones I’ve heard live at that show
I like it a lot!! The Shiva feels like a versatile Dual Rec with a usable clean channel. The KT88's seem to offer a ton of headroom. I wanna check it out immediately!!
I have an old Shiva with EL-34’s, 80 watt combo. It’s not a metal amp it’s so much more. It’s great for Tool and Alice in chains, sounds great boosted with a tubescreamer but even better boosted with a klon klone. Or boost your klon with a flat eq tubescreamer into the dirty channel at like 12:00 gain and WOW. Also takes pedals really well, more headroom in the clean channel so if you want to boost a Rat with a tubescreamer sounds great, the rat really provides the compression the dirty channel has. Awesome amp. I just wish it had a mids control on the clean channel. Only drawback. It’s so heavy in the low mids.
I think it can do modern metal with a modern overdrive like a Pro Tone and or an eq to work as a high pass filter to give it that tighter djent like low end. This amp is for those that like dry open tones. The Pitbull you got is going to be very dry and dynamic
Yea. It can get nasty
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Definitely a dark sounding amp..
You should try the Bogner ecstasy 3534... I own one and it's my favorite amp right now.
I want to try that amp but I think I may end up with a Revv Generator. Is it more aggressive than the Shiva?
Sounds vicious b4 u even get it dialed in! What a amp! Now I'm gonna b sooooo broke! But I'll b crunching n chugging like never before. N I liked it without the.. wait.. ok the boost is good.. n the overdrive really pushes it.. but man I don't know.. oooo dokken" sounded GREAT. THIS amp has many possibilities n I can't wait to blow my wad on this hot baby! Nice job on this video 👍
You need to test the new Bogner Uber Ultra, fantastic amplifier, much better than the previous version!!!
I've been hearing good things about that new amplifier, I want to check one out as soon as I'm able
I have one, fantastic !!! Great job my friend I hope you can try one!!!
@@felipevenrros Thank you, congratulations on the amp as well.
Hopefully I can get my hands-on one
This amp isn't exactly made for metal. Isn't the best metal option but it would absolutely do the trick. My experience with this amp is in the rock n roll community and I can say for that, it is among the very best. I've been micing up one of these amps for nearly a decade now. And yes the same one the 20th anniversary. The toilex looks sick. But this amp has never given us problems, it always does what its supposed to. And it sounds great doing it. We used to use my engl 412 pro cab but in the last 5 or 6 years he started using a single v30 cab. Looks kinda silly having that head on top a 1 12 but it works. Sounds fantastic.
Dustan, thanks for the input. I have the 20th Shiva and am thinking of converting it to EL34s. Do you recommend over the KT88s?
@@Bognerman14 we only ever serviced the tubes in it once and we stayed with kt88's. The way I have been lead to understand kt88's is they are lower powered. El34's apparently have more headroom. To be clear I'm not 100% sure about this. If you get your tone with your preamp section and not your power section (meaning cranking the hell out of the amp till the power section is clipping), you will likely not notice much difference from different tubes.
Let me ask. What is it you're looking for that you want to change tubes? I mean if youjuat wanna try something different, go for it. If you're looking to change your tone, this will not be an effective option.
@@smeemusic HI, everything I know is that KT88s have a lot more hear room than EL34s.
I was looking for that creamy mids of EL34s and closer to a Marshall vibe at times.
Trying to find the best speaker match. Love it with Redbacks, creamback and English V30s.
@@Bognerman14 sry I did know one has more headroom than the other just had it backwards. unfortunately tubes won't provide a different mid response or curve or change the top or bottom end. If you're looking for more creamy mids, maybe try the celestion creamback. I think they named that one deliberately lol. Yeah the speaker choice will certainly get you some results. I've spent hours researching different speakers for what I want in my tone. Dv77 seems to be the speaker for me these days. They have a fuller low mid range. Kinda what I'm into personally. But yeah there's a couple different creambacks. Maybe one of those will nail it for ya. Maybe even a greenback would be a solid option. Especially if you've been running v30's.
@@smeemusic Thanks. I am running it thru one cab with Redbacks and UK V30s and sounds great plus I am building another cab this week with Creambacks and Redbacks. I love low mids too and the Shiva has that plus I like the thickness and fullness of the Redback. I like the DV77 too.
A lot of music I love and play today was written on amps like Marshalls with EL34s. Like 6L6s too.
My cabs are:
Bogner 412 - Redback/Creamback
Splawn 412 - Redback/UK Mesa V30
Bogner 212 - Redbacks
Stone Age 212 - K100/UK Mesa V30
Niiiice.
in essence, it's base is a JCM 800 with more balls and much more tighter.
I use this amp Jarrod but I play a lot of classic rock, Alice in Chains, Maiden, Rush, etc. I don't play a lot of the heavy stuff that you do. Love your playing by the way! I have heavier amps for that vibe. Still can't wait to get the Revv.
For 70s, 80s and early 90s as you mentioned do you think this amp is better than the Marshall JVM? I almost got that or a DSL.
This spring will be the Revv Generator for my do it all rock to metal.
I still have my Archon 100 and a modified Dual Rectifier that is a beast.
Your into screen says DAIL IN 😂
I know haha. Hooked on phonics didn't work for me
Still think his best tone was the uberschall on black gives way to blue
Imagine with a bogner fish pre amp.. I know.. I know people nowadays hate rack mounts.. I personally don't care either way as long as it RIPS!
The Shiva? Or the Twin Jet? By the way...although Jerry did use this amp, he used other amps and Pre-amps in the recording process such as Marshalls, 5150, Bogner Fish pre-amp and a few others and mixed them up in different combinations. Any live footage I've ever seen were usually Marshalls, at least in the early days.
Good to know. I prefer the Uberschall over the Shiva
I have one of these & was surprised how much gain it actually has. Reazmatix has a good demo of this.
Reza is a bad doode with a whole lot of even badder Gear!🤘
Using the V30's? Local guy selling one of these for $1200. A good amp to pick up?
It's a decent amp IMHO. Not my favorite, but some people really like it
Now that you've played thru the Shiva 20th, curious if you find the Revv Gen 120 just as supportive on lead work and as thick? Thicker?
Shiva is my main amp and it works on leads for me so well. Would you say the Revv can produce similarly supportive and fat leads?
Thanks!
I want the Revv to be my do it all amp, clean to classic rock to progressive, grunge and metal, new and old school.
I like compressed and easy to play.
Thanks.
I very much prefer the Revv. Ch 4 is a great lead channel. Thick leads all day
@@TONEWARSgearshow Awesome! I love the Shiva for my 90s, early 2000s rock and hard rock amp. Now with the Revv, I will have classic to modern metal! :)
I used to always prefer EL34s, but I see the Revv comes stock with 6L6s.
Thanks again!
@@TONEWARSgearshow Hi again. Sorry to bother you. Would you mind telling me how good the effects loop is?
I struggle with finding good amp loops. I've even considered ditching amps and going the Kemper route and goodbye to tube amps. I can't find what I want from clean to aggressive leads with a GOOD loop and I'm hoping the Revv can do that. Or I'm done and will move to modeling or profiling.
@@Bognerman14 No problem at all. The Revv Generator mkiii effect loop is great.
I've had no issues with it at all
@@TONEWARSgearshow Thanks for the input.
I have a silverback Shiva 1x12. The cleans are great, but too clean a transient for what I like live (prefer more of a Vox thing). The low mids on the gain are great, but I have to hit it with a drive pedal to take away some harshness. Did you find the latter to be true?
Good question. I basically hit it with a boast to make it more responsive and tighter. I don't know if I remember it being harsh or not.
Sorry, I wish I could be more of help to you but I don't remember it being harsh. Everybody has different tastes though. I totally respect that
Speaking of Cantrell tones, do you have an opinion on the JJ signature’s? Either one? Or both?
I think they are decent amplifiers if you're going for that type of tone. I usually look for something that's more aggressive but that said, they sound great for that style of music. Pretty pricey though
The key to this amp is the mode switch.
Compared with the assortment of choices behind you it doesn’t quite hang with them. Great video 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻
It's a good amp for classic 90s and late 80s rock tines.
I thought it sounded great with the overdrive and without for a nice crunch tone. It’s a refined JCM basically. You don’t need that much gain in a mix or recording otherwise it gets convoluted. I wish I tried a Bogner. Looking forward to trying the Synergy Ecstasy in the future.
Great sounds, you know how to capture this thing, other RUclipsrs clip the hell out of their videos and make these amps sound like dog shit
@TONEWARSgearshow What OD are you using?
Mud killer
What overdrive pedal did you use in this Shiva demo?
If memory serves, I used the mud killer
I wonder how this amp is with EL34s.
What can are playing thru? 212?
How do you like the Aries compared to the Majesty?
Sorry for the late reply, I'm gonna do a video about that very soon
There are many out there who make these things sound killer. For me, the Bogner sound is much too congested sounding in the mids and overly dark and smooth. I like hot Marshall style tones…aggressive and cutting with that mid range roar and kerrang. I just can’t gel with them at all. Not my flavor. Ironic, cause Cantrell is one of my favorite guitarists ever. Love his recorded tones.
Kiesel is fixed ?
Yes it is, thanks for asking
@@TONEWARSgearshow what did they say was causing the issue if you don’t mind me asking?
i can never for the life of me understand the engineering behind those tiny push buttons. A high end amp needs to have big buttons you can hit without a magnifying glass sheeeesh. BTW I'm guessing a foot switch does most of the switching? And i thought the 5150 was bad ...The Amp does sound killer
I have a bogner, and I won't ever have anything else! They kik the shit out of marshall
See, I’m the opposite. To me a good Marshall clobbers a bogner. Marshall has so much more open, raw and aggressive tone. If you had a two guitar band with a Marshall and bogner, the bogner would really struggle to compete. It’s not a quality thing, just the bogner sound is dialed heavily in the low mids and they don’t cut like a Marshall.
@@brandonbryson3317 right! But that's just way over my head! I've had both, and for me and the style of music I like, the bogner buries marshal, as far as tone. but you're explanation of the bogner may be why I like it better. I'm into stoner metal and it fits perfectly for me.
Marshall is overrated junk not hard to beat
@@greggblankley6222 I don't know if I would say overrated junk, maybe they are! I'm not really that experienced, in that field, but I have now had both, and for what I like to play and hear, bogner smoke's the competition! I don't know why orange are such a popular brand. I had one of those little small, orange amps, and it sounded like pure shit! Maybe their more powerful amps, have a much different, and better sound, but it was awful!
Splawn Quick Rod!!!!
Does that Marshall thing better than Marshall 🤘
they sound a lot better in person than recorded actually. Oh not to be a douchebag but you played enter sandman incorrectly, it end with 0 3 0 2 0 2 3 0
I don't like this amp pushed with an overdrive.
this guy isnt impressed
i didnt like this amp. its a struggler